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Credlin | 18 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: Trump's counter terrorism chief quits blaming Israel for the war
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Speaker 2: in Iran. So what to play here because we've heard
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Speaker 2: of this anti Israel trope before or does this point
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Speaker 2: to a broader problem in the White House and the
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Speaker 2: MAGU movement. It went from not being a crisis to
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Speaker 2: now being a big enough issue to.
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Speaker 3: Convene a national cabinet.
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Speaker 2: As fuel shortages ramp up and other than collective hand ringing,
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Speaker 2: what can the PEM actually do now immediately? Given the
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Speaker 2: failure to have supply in this country a new onshore
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Speaker 2: oil wells can't be fixed quickly class As households come
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Speaker 2: to terms with another rate rise today we have perhaps
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Speaker 2: the most shameless example from a labor leader that they've
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Speaker 2: got no intention whatsoever of raining and spending.
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Speaker 3: I'll get to that a bit later in the show.
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Speaker 2: As the risk of a session grows and another Litley
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Speaker 2: failures when it comes to the handling of freed criminal detainees,
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Speaker 2: with the High called ruling that labour's use of ankle
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Speaker 2: bracelets and curfews is unconstitutional with community safety yet again
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Speaker 2: at risk.
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Speaker 4: You were sure these laws would stand up to tests
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Speaker 4: in the High Court. Well, he was wrong. This is
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Speaker 4: the third attempt now that this government have had to
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Speaker 4: try and protect Australians.
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Speaker 2: I will come back to that issue at first, in
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Speaker 2: a sign of the unseeriousness as a country that our
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Speaker 2: fuel crisis response has been. All we're doing now is
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Speaker 2: calling a meeting rather than flagging fundamental changes that our
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Speaker 2: country desperately needs. After the Mineral's Council demanded a meeting
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Speaker 2: of the National Cabinet and the appointment of a fuel
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Speaker 2: z are today the Prime Minister that he went out
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Speaker 2: and duly announced that there would be a virtual meeting
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Speaker 2: tomorrow and that measures, he says, would be announced in
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Speaker 2: coming days to guarantee fuel supplies to country areas and
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Speaker 2: vital industries.
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Speaker 5: To ensure that the coordination that's occurring right across our
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Speaker 5: country maximizes the benefit for business, for farmers, for our communities,
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Speaker 5: in our cities and in particular in our regions.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, most likely this will involve quarantining releases
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Speaker 2: from the fuel stockpile to regional areas, as well as
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Speaker 2: measures against panic buying and knowing the Albanezi government, perhaps
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Speaker 2: taxpayer subsidies for fuel users disproportionately affected. And let's hope
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Speaker 2: the clowns realize that we're talking about diesel here, more diesel,
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Speaker 2: which Chris Bowen did not appreciate when he released all
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Speaker 2: that extra petrol last week.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we need diesel. This is where Chris Bowen
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Speaker 6: got it completely wrong last week.
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Speaker 7: If you read hands, he thought he was releasing megalators
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Speaker 7: of petrol for farmers.
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Speaker 8: I mean we use diesel.
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Speaker 6: Ninety like trucks and tractors run on diesel. If we're
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Speaker 6: going to grow the.
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Speaker 7: Stuff, get our inputs in, get our outputs out, get
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Speaker 7: it to the consumers, get it into their supermarkets and fridges.
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Speaker 9: We need diesel.
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Speaker 2: Spot on Xavier, but a whole lot of premier sitting
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Speaker 2: around the Prime Minister's table. It's the political equivalent of
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Speaker 2: running around like headless Chucks. And none of the things
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Speaker 2: on that list that I just ran through will address
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Speaker 2: the real issue, and that is that we just don't
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Speaker 2: have enough fuel at any one time here in this country.
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Speaker 2: Plus we've neglected to develop our own sovereign capabilities. So
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Speaker 2: to fix it, we need absolutely more storage and more
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Speaker 2: home develop supply, and that means taking on the green
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Speaker 2: left cabal that at almost every level of this country
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Speaker 2: now runs Australia. Well, the Australian government should have done
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Speaker 2: but didn't do. But what they must do now but
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Speaker 2: almost certainly won't, is take urgent steps to increase our
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Speaker 2: sovereign capacity. Remember, the Alminezi government, almost to a man
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Speaker 2: and a woman, comprises of social justice activists to feel
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Speaker 2: guilty or ambivalent about Australia and who don't really mind
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Speaker 2: if our country becomes less rich and less secure, because
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Speaker 2: that's what we deserve because of our inherent racism and
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Speaker 2: injustice to them. Spending more on social programs will always
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Speaker 2: be a higher priority than what's now needed. And what
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Speaker 2: is needed now is urgently building onshore capacity storage capacity
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Speaker 2: to give us the required ninety days of onshore supply
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Speaker 2: of petrol, diesel and a gas, so spending the billions
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Speaker 2: needed for those huge fuel storage tanks that most other
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Speaker 2: countries already have in place, the sort of tanks that
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Speaker 2: China is just one example, has been deploying in a
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Speaker 2: very big way over the past couple of years.
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Speaker 3: We need that now.
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Speaker 2: It also means we must urgently get more gas out
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Speaker 2: of the ground, both for export and domestic use, and
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Speaker 2: resume the search for oil in this country that's largely
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Speaker 2: been abandoned because over the past few years we have
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Speaker 2: gone absolutely crazy with a fossil fuel phobia. Now, above
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Speaker 2: all else says something else the Prime Minister could do
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Speaker 2: immediately that would be a clear sign that we are
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Speaker 2: finally getting serious, and that's to sack the incompetent, indeed
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Speaker 2: off the charts, stupid Energy Minister Chris Bowen. Now never
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Speaker 2: have I seen a member of Parliament make failure such
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Speaker 2: an art form. The shameful record of the most illegal
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Speaker 2: boats ever in our history were on his watch as
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Speaker 2: Immigration minister, that promised to cut a power bill by
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars a year on his
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Speaker 2: watch Minister, and now this latest example of incompetence, monumentally
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Speaker 2: failing to foresee and then to deal with the current
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Speaker 2: fuel crisis. First he said there was no problem.
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Speaker 7: It's important that people know we do have a good
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Speaker 7: stock of petrol in reserve in Australia. Is no need,
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Speaker 7: no need to be concerned at this point about the
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Speaker 7: supply of diesel or petrol in Australia, there is.
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Speaker 2: Again petrol, petrol, petrol when the country is run on diesel.
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Speaker 2: They said, hang on, there is a crisis, but he's
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Speaker 2: going to fix it, he said, by releasing reserves and
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Speaker 2: lowering fuel standards.
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Speaker 7: I have asked for and received an assurance from Ampole
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Speaker 7: that this extra supply will be prioritized for regional Australia
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Speaker 7: and for the spot market to take pressure off those
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Speaker 7: regional areas feeling such pressure. The government has done it
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Speaker 7: because it is a practical action to help farmers, to
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Speaker 7: help regional Australians through this immediate crisis.
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Speaker 2: Now is fuel rationing is not needed yet all.
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Speaker 7: Minister before the Government has to consider fuel rational well.
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Speaker 7: As I've said, what we want is Australians to buy
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Speaker 7: as much fuel as they need, not more, not less.
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Speaker 7: And if Australians respond in the spirit of all coming
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Speaker 7: together and not panic buying, then that maximizes our chances
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Speaker 7: of getting through this situation.
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Speaker 2: These calls for a national fuels are not because we
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Speaker 2: should have one, but because people feel there's no leadership
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Speaker 2: from this minister and they're now demanding someone. They're all
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Speaker 2: the time looking at fuel security, someone who knows what
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Speaker 2: they are doing, like boats Bowen before him.
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Speaker 3: Bowser Bowen has got to go and look.
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Speaker 2: More problems for Anthony Obnezi with the High Court ruling
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Speaker 2: today that decisions of the government had taken in relationship
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Speaker 2: to curfuse and ankle bracelets for those released foreign criminals
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Speaker 2: are now unconstitutional. These are the criminals you remember the
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Speaker 2: n z YQK, the criminals who were released into the
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Speaker 2: community horrific crimes but neither rape, murder and other things
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Speaker 2: who could not be deported now cannot be monitored. In
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Speaker 2: the decision today, a P ANDG citizen was involved. He
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Speaker 2: was convicted of murder and released after a term of imprisonment,
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Speaker 2: but again could not be deported, and then was required
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Speaker 2: to wear an ankle bracelet. But the court found today
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Speaker 2: it could not be required to have the bracelet. So
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Speaker 2: ruled the court, And that's because they said the bracelet
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Speaker 2: and the monitoring are forms of punishment and punishment can
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Speaker 2: only be imposed by the courts and not the executive
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Speaker 2: arm of government. Now, leaving aside the ineptitude of a
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Speaker 2: government that can't devise a lead bulletproof regime for foreign criminals,
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Speaker 2: still in this country, as they promised, the real problem
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Speaker 2: is that there are far too many people who have
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Speaker 2: no right to be here in Australia because we let
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Speaker 2: in people whose home governments won't take them back once
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Speaker 2: their Australian visas expired or has been revoked. Now, the
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Speaker 2: vast bulk of them came when Labour lost control of
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Speaker 2: our borders and ministers like Chris Bowen were left in charge.
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Speaker 2: There are currently more than one hundred thousand people in
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Speaker 2: Australia already told multiple times they cannot stay here, who
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Speaker 2: are appealing against their deportation, even though except for Australian citizens,
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Speaker 2: no one has a right to live in Australia. So
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Speaker 2: two things here arether that, in the most extreme circumstances,
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Speaker 2: we should never allow people into this country on any
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Speaker 2: sort of visa if they come from a country that
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Speaker 2: will not take their citizens back. Now, I don't care
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Speaker 2: whether it's a visa to come here for a holiday,
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Speaker 2: to study, to work, nothing. If you come up from
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Speaker 2: a country that will not take you back, then you
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Speaker 2: don't ever get to come to this one. We also
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Speaker 2: need a new law that says non citizens cannot keep
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Speaker 2: appealing their rejection. So as to string out their stay
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Speaker 2: in Australia almost indefinitely. So there you going, Well, there
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Speaker 2: you go. They cut me off, but I'll be telling
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Speaker 2: that to Angus Taylor. There you go, Angus Taylor, two
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Speaker 2: new vote winning policies that you could announce almost immediately.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's stay with that court ruling.
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Speaker 2: Let's go now to Trudy Macintosh, who has followed it
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Speaker 2: very closely today, our senior reporter of course out of Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Truty welcome. I think I've just put out the background
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Speaker 2: to the case, but you you have followed this closely,
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Speaker 2: as I said, take us through the judgment and the
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Speaker 2: Court's reasoning behind it.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Peter, It's been a long running political and legal saga,
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Speaker 10: this enzyq cohort.
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Speaker 3: It just seems to be an issue that will not
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Speaker 3: go away.
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Speaker 10: Today the High Court once again finding that it was
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Speaker 10: unconstitutional the laws that Labor rushed through Parliament to try
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Speaker 10: and impose these strict monitoring conditions. In the judgment, the
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Speaker 10: Justice Michelle Gordon found that the argument that the laws
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Speaker 10: put forward that this was designed to protect the community
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Speaker 10: from harm, the Court has found that that was insufficient,
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Speaker 10: the argument being that to rule any other way would
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Speaker 10: be to allow no meaningful limit on the state's ability
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Speaker 10: to pinge on people's personal liberties. It did talk about
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Speaker 10: exceptional circumstances that would justify ongoing monitoring, but the judgment
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Speaker 10: points out that would be in the case of preventing
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Speaker 10: a terror attack. So it's hard to see how the
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Speaker 10: government would reach that threshold with this particular cohort.
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Speaker 3: You'd imagine.
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Speaker 10: That's why I think today we saw the government talking
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Speaker 10: about the fact that for the people who were still
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Speaker 10: in the community Peter that had the ankle bracelets as
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Speaker 10: of this morning, that they'll be now facing mandatory reporting conditions.
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Speaker 3: So that's akin to bail. This has been running for
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Speaker 3: a couple of years.
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Speaker 2: We had the government assure us and they certainly got
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Speaker 2: the Coalition's support on this basis that they would remedy
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Speaker 2: the legal issues with earlier cases, that they would fix this,
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Speaker 2: that they had strong advice. Of course, it is the
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Speaker 2: High Court. It's only one justice of the High Court.
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Speaker 2: It can be appealed to the further bench with leave.
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Speaker 2: What's Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke had to say about
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Speaker 2: this mess today.
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Speaker 10: I think it wasn't a surprise we saw a statement
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Speaker 10: only from Tony Burke today pointing out that obviously the
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Speaker 10: government's disappointed with this outcome. It goes on to say
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Speaker 10: though that the government's ambition was never simply about ankle bracelets,
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Speaker 10: rather that of people the best thing to do would
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Speaker 10: if they've had their visa cancel is for them to leave,
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Speaker 10: pointing to the Nahru deal. This was something done very
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Speaker 10: quietly last year, a third country resettlement deal with NAU
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Speaker 10: essentially to get out most of this cohort, if not all,
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Speaker 10: to Naaru. But as we've been seeing on that today,
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Speaker 10: Peter the latest update, it's not proceeding at pace. So far,
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Speaker 10: just six people have arrived on Nahru twenty seven others.
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Speaker 3: Have had their visas approved.
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Speaker 10: Now that's important because as soon as it's approved they
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Speaker 10: can go immediately back in immigration to tension because there
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Speaker 10: is a pathway for them to be removed. So it
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Speaker 10: doesn't it clears that high court hurdle and other twenty
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Speaker 10: seven applications pending. So we only seem to get these
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Speaker 10: sort of updates in piecemeal way, don't have a lot
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Speaker 10: of transparency about how quickly this is moving.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about one hundred and twenty three, maybe one
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty of these released criminals. We've got one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand or so people who've been told they need
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Speaker 2: to go home, and they're appealing it through various stages.
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Speaker 2: But the cohort of those that are the most at threat.
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Speaker 2: If you've only got six in Naru and potentially only
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Speaker 2: another twenty seven cleared to go to Naru, it's tip
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Speaker 2: of the iceberg stuff.
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Speaker 10: It leaves a big cohort. And the thing always with
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Speaker 10: this Naaru deal, Peter, as you know, is ultimately it's
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Speaker 10: up to NARU to decide they did not have to
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Speaker 10: under this agreement take every single person. They can still
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Speaker 10: go through their own vetting processes. So I think for
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Speaker 10: the Minister, though he hopes that with this solution it
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Speaker 10: wasn't there when we first saw that High Court initial
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Speaker 10: ruling a few years back, I think they hope that
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Speaker 10: this takes some of the political heat out of the
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Speaker 10: issue that so they can just keep trickling away and
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Speaker 10: getting more and more of the cohort to go to NARU.
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Speaker 3: All Right, well, I know you dogged.
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Speaker 2: I hope you pursue the Minister tomorrow and get him
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Speaker 2: on camera and he answers some questions. It is the
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Speaker 2: labor way at the moment to isshue these statements and
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Speaker 2: run away and keep away from from the camera media
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Speaker 2: and radio media. So let's see what happens tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Trudy.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to this issue a little later in
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Speaker 2: the show. Senator Dunning, of course, the shadow minister in
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Speaker 2: this area, will join me, but let's get across some
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Speaker 2: other stories. Join me now, Senior reporter Carolyn Marcus and
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Speaker 2: the national affairs editor at the Daily Telly. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Sky News host James Morrow. I'll get to a number
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Speaker 2: of other issues, James, but I don't want to move
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Speaker 2: off that rape rise yesterday. Of course, the bank's so
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Speaker 2: bloody quick they've passed it through to everyone that's got
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Speaker 2: a mortgage. I guess what concerned me most in that
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Speaker 2: very frank exchange from the Governor Michelle Bullock after the
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Speaker 2: meeting is that she would not rule out a recession.
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Speaker 2: The treasure Well, he's sort of ducked and weaved on that.
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Speaker 2: Here he is this morning trying to downplay the recession risk.
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Speaker 11: Certainly not something that we're expecting or forecasting or anticipating,
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Speaker 11: and neither is the Reserve banker. I saw the press
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Speaker 11: conference from the Reserve Bank governor warning about worst case scenarios,
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Speaker 11: but the central case, the expected trajectory, is that our
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Speaker 11: economy will continue to grow.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if this is the bloke that is looking,
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Speaker 2: as we all now, at cutting the discount on capital
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Speaker 2: gains tax, it's looking to hit Australians with a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of taxes. If it didn't take any of that
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Speaker 2: to the election, and we're not even twelve months on
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Speaker 2: from the election, he's hardly going to tell us the
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Speaker 2: truth about the recession.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, we know that, Peter. He's not going
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Speaker 1: to be telling the truth about any of these things
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Speaker 1: right now. He's playing cleanup right now because events are
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Speaker 1: getting out of his control. And the real danger is here, also, Peter,
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Speaker 1: is that events are strying to get out of the
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Speaker 1: Reserve banks control here. I mean, it's one thing to
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Speaker 1: talk about trying to cool an economy that is overheating
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Speaker 1: because of too much government stimulus. But what's happening now
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Speaker 1: is now you've got external forces at play and hiking
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Speaker 1: rate rises aren't going to do anything about the inelastic
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Speaker 1: demands for fuel diesel that keeps our country moving. So
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Speaker 1: that's one big issue. The other big issue here too
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Speaker 1: is if you go back to the Reserve Bank Statement
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Speaker 1: Board's statement yesterday, it repeatedly talks about inflation expectations and
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Speaker 1: it does so in a way that they haven't been
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Speaker 1: doing so for quite some time, which tells me they
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Speaker 1: are really concerned that they've got one lever to pull.
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Speaker 1: It's increasingly ineffectual. And the thing I'm concerned about, Pete,
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Speaker 1: is that when they have this big meeting now national
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Speaker 1: Cabinet assembled, they're going to announce ways to try and
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Speaker 1: insulate Australians from the shock of all that's happening. But
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Speaker 1: that's going to wind up being inflationary again because you
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Speaker 1: know that there might be more of these handouts, cost
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Speaker 1: of living measures, taking money from you and then giving
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Speaker 1: it back to you and calling it a favor. All
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Speaker 1: of these things are again inflationary. So I worry that
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Speaker 1: the traders already left the station on this yere it's
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Speaker 1: to be very hard to stop it.
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Speaker 2: Well, Dido, with fuel Carolina, I mean, we had Chris
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Speaker 2: Minz have his meeting, and he doesn't control most of
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Speaker 2: the fuel issues, and the leavers are all at a
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Speaker 2: federal level. He's shamed the Prime into calling a national
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Speaker 2: cabinet for tomorrow. I think it's two weeks too late
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Speaker 2: to be honest, and most of it will be performative.
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Speaker 2: So we've got pictures for the NEWSS that night where
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Speaker 2: people say, oh, at least he's doing something. It must
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Speaker 2: be serious. He's taking it serious. He's having zoom meeting.
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Speaker 2: But you know, dealing with fuel stocks having this story
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Speaker 2: to that most other countries do on shore, doing something
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Speaker 2: about domestic oil exploration. We've got plenty of oil in
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Speaker 2: the ground in this country. We got plenty of gas,
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Speaker 2: plenty of coal, plenty of uranium. We just have this
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Speaker 2: phobia with fossil fuels.
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Speaker 9: Just another sad outcome of our hesitation. Well, the government's
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Speaker 9: hesitation to use our own natural resources, isn't it, Peter.
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Speaker 9: But in this case, you're right, it comes too little
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Speaker 9: too late calling this national cabinet that he had to be.
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Speaker 9: Let's face it dragged, kicking and screaming towards his own
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Speaker 9: Energy Minister. Chris Bowen has spent much of the past
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Speaker 9: fortnight denying that we even have a fuel crisis. And
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Speaker 9: it's got to the point where there are regional towns
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Speaker 9: that have run out of fuel. They cannot school buses
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Speaker 9: cannot take kids.
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Speaker 3: To and from school.
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Speaker 9: The farmers there don't know when they're going to be
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Speaker 9: able to get fuel to work on their crops, and
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Speaker 9: this is going to impact the entire country in more
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Speaker 9: ways than just people having to spend a lot at
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Speaker 9: the petrol pump. We don't know what is going to
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Speaker 9: happen to food production in this country because of this,
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Speaker 9: and of course there's no quick fix to this. He's
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Speaker 9: not going to be able to change the fact that
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Speaker 9: for the past few years nothing was done about boosting
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Speaker 9: not enough was done about boosting our fuel reserves, and
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Speaker 9: now we find ourselves in.
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Speaker 3: This situation where.
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Speaker 9: We could well run out of fuel and more places
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Speaker 9: across the country. Of course, the government's releasing some of
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Speaker 9: that emergency supply, but we don't know how long this
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Speaker 9: conflict is going to drag on floor and it's not
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Speaker 9: good enough for the government to go, well, there's an
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Speaker 9: international conflict in the Middle East. We can't control that.
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Speaker 3: No, we can't control.
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Speaker 9: What happens overseas, but we can control our preparedness for it,
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Speaker 9: and that is what they should have been doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, and I will make the point I've made it before.
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Speaker 2: We in the City of Options. Yes we're all cranky.
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Speaker 2: The fuel has spiked in terms of price, but we
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Speaker 2: can still get it at the bowser.
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Speaker 3: I mentioned. You know, if you were pregnant in.
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Speaker 2: A country town or on a farm, you want the
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Speaker 2: car full in case you need to get into the hospital.
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Speaker 2: But I was contacted by someone who's undergoing cancer treatment
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Speaker 2: and the lack of fuel available to her in her
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Speaker 2: community has been her chemo has been put on hold.
20:43
Speaker 2: So these are the real issues that regional people are
20:46
Speaker 2: facing that I don't think the government understands and is
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Speaker 2: doing enough to address. James, I'm not going to let
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Speaker 2: these a sorry set of figures go away. I know
20:56
Speaker 2: the government would love us not to talk about them.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned them briefly last night, to go back to
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Speaker 2: them again and underscore them tonight.
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Speaker 3: These are the.
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Speaker 2: Bureau of Statistics the AS numbers about overseas arrivals VISIVIE departures,
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Speaker 2: and the numbers will tell us that we've had the
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Speaker 2: highest January on records. So in the year two January
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Speaker 2: net permanent and long term arrivals totaled almost five hundred
21:23
Speaker 2: thousand people, so four hundred ninety four thousy five hundred,
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Speaker 2: the highest levels in recorded history.
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Speaker 3: And if you want to know why.
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Speaker 2: People are drifting off to one nation, this is a
21:34
Speaker 2: pox on both the Liberal House and the Labor House,
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Speaker 2: particularly labor. But I think the Liberals could have done
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Speaker 2: a lot more about this at the last election and
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Speaker 2: did not.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, they didn't really do anything at the
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Speaker 1: last election. Bat there was, they floated a number, then
21:48
Speaker 1: they never really stuck to it, and ten months on
21:51
Speaker 1: from that election where they got an absolute drubbing, the
21:54
Speaker 1: fact is they still have not landed a policy on this,
21:57
Speaker 1: and I'm very curious to find out what their he
22:00
Speaker 1: is going to wind up being, and how the Liberals
22:02
Speaker 1: wind up threading the concerns of their members, threading the
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Speaker 1: concerns of people who are inclined to vote Liberal but
22:09
Speaker 1: care about this issue through the needle of a party
22:13
Speaker 1: room where they still have moderates to deal with, even
22:16
Speaker 1: if they're not on the front bench, who are very
22:18
Speaker 1: much allergic to this idea of you know, anything that's
22:21
Speaker 1: going to cut the rivers of gold that come into
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Speaker 1: various sort of lobby groups and so on through migration,
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Speaker 1: whether it's tertiary institutions or property development, all of those
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Speaker 1: sorts of things while putting huge amounts of pressure on
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Speaker 1: our society. And I'm actually you know, I can reveal
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Speaker 1: right now tomorrow and tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. I've got some
22:39
Speaker 1: very interesting polling which is going to talk about what
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Speaker 1: first generation migrants think, Peter, and this whole myth, this
22:46
Speaker 1: whole myth, this idea that you know, if you are
22:49
Speaker 1: a first generation migrant, your pro war migration and therefore
22:52
Speaker 1: parties have to count out to that idea. This doesn't
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Speaker 1: actually hold up. And there'll be a lot more about
22:57
Speaker 1: that in tomorrow's paper, which I love people to check out.
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Speaker 1: But this is something the Liberals need to land a
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Speaker 1: policy on otherwise they are going to continue to get
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Speaker 1: their lunch eaten by one nation on this and deservedly.
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Speaker 2: So just quickly, Caroline, because I know there's been a
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Speaker 2: rest today and I want to give people an update.
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Speaker 3: King's Grove North High School. It is North.
23:19
Speaker 2: I want to just check that that's right, yeah, kings
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Speaker 2: Grove North High School in Sydney, that bullying, alleged bully
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Speaker 2: five hours of girls ganging up against a thirteen year
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Speaker 2: old individual. I can't get it in my head that
23:34
Speaker 2: anyone would do this to anyone else, at alone a
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Speaker 2: group of young girls, and that they would film it
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Speaker 2: and distribute it as widely as they could.
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Speaker 3: What's the update place.
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Speaker 9: Well, three of the girls have been charged with assaults
23:48
Speaker 9: and other offenses, and the school, well, the government is
23:53
Speaker 9: now expediting these anti bullying measures that were only supposed
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Speaker 9: to come in from next year across all states and territories.
24:01
Speaker 9: The federal government mandated that The question is why can't
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Speaker 9: these come in before? They're pretty straightforward measures like that
24:08
Speaker 9: a school has to act within forty eight hours, that
24:11
Speaker 9: stronger action has to be done on bullying. Why can't
24:15
Speaker 9: that happen tomorrow? Peter, I don't understand why it has
24:17
Speaker 9: to take so long. This girl was in the boys'
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Speaker 9: toilets for five hours.
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Speaker 3: Where were the teachers?
24:23
Speaker 9: Where were the responsible adults while she was being asked
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Speaker 9: to bark like a dog and told to strip naked
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Speaker 9: and put in a rubbishment.
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Speaker 3: It's not good enough.
24:34
Speaker 9: Schools have to act now because we send our kids
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Speaker 9: to school and we expect them to be safe.
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Speaker 2: There was there a racial element to the attack or
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Speaker 2: the alleged attack. Was there anything else that was driving
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Speaker 2: the attack?
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Speaker 3: What do we know?
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Speaker 9: We don't know that much yet because we can't identify
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Speaker 9: either the victim or the perpetrators because they're miners. The
24:54
Speaker 9: girl and her mother did give an interview after the attack,
24:57
Speaker 9: after the video became widely known and exposed, and they
25:02
Speaker 9: said that she had been the target of two previous
25:05
Speaker 9: attacks and the school had known about this and failed
25:08
Speaker 9: to act. So there's obviously an element of negligence there.
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Speaker 2: I would say, right, well, we'll stay across it is
25:16
Speaker 2: she Thank you to you both, all right after the break?
25:18
Speaker 2: How much should we read into this fallout between Donald
25:20
Speaker 2: Trump and his counter terrorism chief and this allegation that
25:26
Speaker 2: somehow Israel was driving the Iran incursions, Plus what laws
25:31
Speaker 2: the government can move next week to make sure the
25:33
Speaker 2: community is safe. We'll talk to John o'dunnheam about this
25:37
Speaker 2: High Court miss this afternoon. I got an example for
25:45
Speaker 2: you of Labour's shameless inability to control their spending.
25:49
Speaker 3: In a moment, I'll get to that.
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Speaker 2: The first of the United States counter terrorism chief has
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Speaker 2: sensationally quit over the Trump's Trump Government's administration of the
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Speaker 2: war with Iran. In a statement poster to social media.
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Speaker 2: The bloke and his name is Joe Kent. He claims
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Speaker 2: that Iran posed no threat to the United States and
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Speaker 2: the war was started, he says, quote due to pressure
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Speaker 2: from Israel and it is powerful American lobby. Now Here
26:15
Speaker 2: was the reaction from Israel's ambassador to Australia.
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Speaker 12: Trump said that he knew always that he was weak
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Speaker 12: on security. You cannot be in counter terrorism with persuasion
26:27
Speaker 12: and talking only one has to act against evil. And
26:31
Speaker 12: a person who is in counter terrorism but does not
26:34
Speaker 12: have the backbone to act against terrorism apparently doesn't match
26:38
Speaker 12: the job that he's in.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now, the Australians Foreign editor Greg Sheridan, Greg,
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this through the backdrop of a whole
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Speaker 2: group of people on the writer's commentators in the United States,
26:55
Speaker 2: and Meghan Kelly is a good example there, in particular
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Speaker 2: Taker Carlson candas Owen, who have been quite vociferous in
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Speaker 2: their attacks about the move into Iran, and also I
27:07
Speaker 2: have to say, in many cases verging on anti Semitic,
27:10
Speaker 2: certainly anti Zionist with some of their commentary. Joe Kent's
27:15
Speaker 2: resignation seems to buy into that debate. I'll be interested
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Speaker 2: in your observations.
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Speaker 8: Well, Peter, great to be with you. I think you're
27:23
Speaker 8: absolutely right. There is a big split in the MAGA right,
27:28
Speaker 8: and a serious and disturbing portion of it has become
27:32
Speaker 8: anti Semitic. I think Taka Carlson and Candace Owens are
27:35
Speaker 8: clearly in that category. Joe Kent looks like the average
27:40
Speaker 8: kind of MAGA do ladle kind of guy. But the
27:45
Speaker 8: question is if he's a flake, as Trump now says, well,
27:48
Speaker 8: then why did Trump appoint him as the head of counterintelligence.
27:53
Speaker 8: I suspect that his proposition that Iran was no imminent
27:57
Speaker 8: threat to America is probably true the tremendous medium term threat.
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Speaker 8: I don't think they're an imminent threat. I can't believe
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Speaker 8: Trump when he says they were two weeks away from
28:07
Speaker 8: a nuclear weapon, when he said last June that he
28:09
Speaker 8: obliterated their nuclear program. But the other half of his
28:13
Speaker 8: statement that Israel made Trump do it is ridiculous. There's
28:16
Speaker 8: only one person responsible for Trump's actions, and that's Trump.
28:20
Speaker 8: He makes up his own mind. Israel, I'm sure was
28:23
Speaker 8: in favor of this action. And you know what, is
28:27
Speaker 8: this guy saying that Israel has no right to advance
28:31
Speaker 8: a view, but I think you're right to locate it
28:33
Speaker 8: as a disturbing trend on the Trump right for a minority,
28:39
Speaker 8: but a very significant minority of them, to be going
28:42
Speaker 8: down a very ugly anti Semitic rabbit hole.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we can have a debate about the imminent
28:48
Speaker 2: or not so imminent nature of the threat in Iran.
28:51
Speaker 3: And I can certainly.
28:54
Speaker 2: Sign up to the concern that a lot of people
28:57
Speaker 2: have that there doesn't appear to be an egg exit
29:00
Speaker 2: strategy in relation to this air bombardment. But I have
29:04
Speaker 2: to say, you know, you know the threat in Iran
29:07
Speaker 2: closely in terms of nuclear capability, and it's been something
29:10
Speaker 2: that's been there for fifteen to twenty years and successive
29:14
Speaker 2: fature as a US administration. In fact, some have aided
29:18
Speaker 2: it with the funding that's been provided to Iran. But
29:20
Speaker 2: when you look at what the Australian has covered this week,
29:23
Speaker 2: you know, the thirty six to potentially forty five thousand
29:26
Speaker 2: people that had been murdered just this year on the
29:30
Speaker 2: streets of Iran, and the stories the paper was telling
29:33
Speaker 2: about seven hundred of them or so so that they
29:36
Speaker 2: were you know, had a human face to them. This
29:40
Speaker 2: tells you, and I'm very comfortable with the bombing of Iran.
29:44
Speaker 3: This tells you.
29:45
Speaker 2: If the world had just watched it all play out,
29:49
Speaker 2: it's a place run by me, madmen, the risk would
29:52
Speaker 2: have only escalated.
29:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's right, Peter. So the madness, you know,
29:58
Speaker 8: Trump drives us all mad, including me. But the madness
30:01
Speaker 8: of Trump is that even when he does something which
30:04
Speaker 8: is very justifiable, like trying to make sure Iran does
30:09
Speaker 8: not get nuclear weapons and trying to put an end
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Speaker 8: to one of the most blood soaked totalitarian, threeocratic regimes
30:18
Speaker 8: in the modern world or in the world's history, he
30:20
Speaker 8: does it with such utter chaos of process, such incoherent
30:25
Speaker 8: rambling in his explanations, that he undercuts his own position.
30:30
Speaker 8: So if Trump, at the end of all this, if
30:33
Speaker 8: Trump has ended the Ayatoller's regime, he will have done
30:37
Speaker 8: the world a great service. If he has ended or
30:40
Speaker 8: put back by a decade Iran's nuclear ambitions, he will
30:44
Speaker 8: have done the world a great service. However, it's also
30:48
Speaker 8: quite possible that he'll simply decide that he's won and
30:52
Speaker 8: he's going to go home, and the Mullers stay in
30:55
Speaker 8: charge and although they will be damaged in their conventional capabilities,
31:01
Speaker 8: as I argued in the paper today, they have inflicted
31:04
Speaker 8: all their damage on the world through their asymmetric capabilities,
31:07
Speaker 8: something we in Australia refuse to learn. The lesson of terrorism,
31:11
Speaker 8: cyber disinformation proxies. All of that doesn't cost much money,
31:16
Speaker 8: and I think Iran will reassemble that with Chinese and
31:20
Speaker 8: Russian help fairly quickly. So it's too early to judge
31:23
Speaker 8: whether this is a success or not this campaign, but
31:27
Speaker 8: I would offer you this contrast. Trump cannot get a
31:30
Speaker 8: single ally to talk to him about the Strait of Hormuz.
31:34
Speaker 8: George W. Bush was able to assemble a vast coalition
31:39
Speaker 8: of allies to support him in his operations in Iraq. Now,
31:45
Speaker 8: it's okay, Trump is more decisive than this.
31:47
Speaker 3: Sure, Greg, Greg, I've got to jump in there. I've
31:49
Speaker 3: got to jump in there though.
31:50
Speaker 2: But doesn't that say something about our lack of ticker.
31:53
Speaker 2: Doesn't it say something about the Albin Easy government and
31:56
Speaker 2: Kirs Dharma and others that we yet to get. Expect
31:59
Speaker 2: America to do all the heavy lifting. And if the
32:01
Speaker 2: world is safer because you know, the claws have come
32:07
Speaker 2: out of Iran, not forever in the day, but certainly
32:10
Speaker 2: in the near term if we're all safer for it.
32:14
Speaker 2: And we've got no skin in the game. But all
32:16
Speaker 2: we're doing is criticize the United States. Doesn't that say
32:20
Speaker 2: everything about how weak we are in the West save
32:23
Speaker 2: the United States?
32:25
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I.
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Speaker 8: Accept that we're very weak in the West. I've written
32:28
Speaker 8: kind of hundreds of millions of words about this. But
32:31
Speaker 8: you can't expect any nation to respond to a social
32:34
Speaker 8: media tweet demanding instant military support. I mean, Trump has
32:39
Speaker 8: not made an official request of the Albanesi government. He's
32:42
Speaker 8: issued a social media tweet demanding the country's line up.
32:46
Speaker 8: There's not a single American ship escorting tankers through the
32:50
Speaker 8: straight of WORMUS. There's not a single tanker other than
32:53
Speaker 8: one allied to you know, in a government which has
32:56
Speaker 8: got Iran's favor, which is willing to sail through the now,
33:01
Speaker 8: you would think it's not really Einstein level work to
33:05
Speaker 8: make your request properly through the embassy and you know,
33:10
Speaker 8: call the Prime minister.
33:11
Speaker 3: We'll agree on that issue.
33:12
Speaker 8: Is a rhetorical mad statement on social media, and then
33:16
Speaker 8: the next day says you're all cowards because you won't
33:20
Speaker 8: come to my age.
33:20
Speaker 3: Shave it there.
33:24
Speaker 2: I've got to leave it there and get to the
33:26
Speaker 2: High Court decision with John o'dunny and but I will
33:28
Speaker 2: make the point just because the letter arrives the wrong
33:30
Speaker 2: way doesn't mean that the contents in the letter are
33:34
Speaker 2: not appropriate to be read in action. You'll come back well,
33:39
Speaker 2: some would say the post is the letter as the
33:41
Speaker 2: you know, the social media post is the letter. But anyway,
33:43
Speaker 2: we'll leave it there. Thank you, gregor come back to
33:45
Speaker 2: that one again. I'm sure let's go to the High
33:47
Speaker 2: Court ruling though I think that's very important tonight. This
33:51
Speaker 2: all goes back as I said to the end z
33:52
Speaker 2: YQ cohort that the government put out into the community
33:57
Speaker 2: and then assured us would be safe with all the
33:59
Speaker 2: monitory Not so tonight, joining me in our Home Affairs
34:03
Speaker 2: Shadow Minister John o'dunnagham, Well, you know, I'm sick of
34:07
Speaker 2: talking about this issue, like I'm sick of talking about
34:10
Speaker 2: so much of this national security stuff with this government
34:14
Speaker 2: who can't seem to argue themselves or protect the community
34:17
Speaker 2: out of a paper bag. But they promised us, John
34:19
Speaker 2: o eighteen months ago that.
34:22
Speaker 3: This was robust.
34:23
Speaker 2: It was bulletproof it would survive a court challenge and
34:27
Speaker 2: it hasn't.
34:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the word the minister used at the
34:30
Speaker 4: time in response to questions from the opposition was we
34:35
Speaker 4: meticulously worked through all of the eventualities and we were
34:38
Speaker 4: given assurances that the laws would stand up to any test,
34:42
Speaker 4: and that was what needed to happen, because we are
34:45
Speaker 4: talking about pure evil people here, criminals of the worst nature, murderers,
34:49
Speaker 4: child sex rapists, people we don't want milling around in
34:53
Speaker 4: our community without any monitoring whatsoever.
34:56
Speaker 6: So with that assurance, we were happy to support it.
34:58
Speaker 4: But again, this is the third attempt this government has
35:02
Speaker 4: had trying to manage a mess that they have created
35:05
Speaker 4: amongst many others in the national security space, and the
35:09
Speaker 4: Minister has not fronted up to answer questions, to provide assurances.
35:12
Speaker 4: He points it to enough root and apparently we're supposed
35:15
Speaker 4: to be satisfied with that. This is a failure once
35:17
Speaker 4: again by this man and this government.
35:20
Speaker 2: Their week Penny Wong hit away in the week of
35:23
Speaker 2: Bondai and the subsequent weeks after that we've got obviously
35:26
Speaker 2: this minister, it all gets too hard and he hides
35:28
Speaker 2: under the bed. He doesn't want to front the cameras.
35:30
Speaker 2: He can go out to the airport and welcome the gardens,
35:33
Speaker 2: but he can't deal with this stuff that he must
35:35
Speaker 2: deal with.
35:36
Speaker 3: Can you understand how people at.
35:37
Speaker 2: Home are watching this as saying, well, these people aren't Australians.
35:40
Speaker 2: They've come out of jail. We don't want them here.
35:42
Speaker 2: They refuse to go home. Their home countries won't take
35:45
Speaker 2: them back. We can't lock them up obviously, we can't
35:48
Speaker 2: deport them against their will, and now we can't even
35:51
Speaker 2: monitor them given all their heinous crimes, to ensure that
35:56
Speaker 2: the suburbs they live in are kept safe, to ensure
35:59
Speaker 2: that they don't get I was working in childcare centers
36:01
Speaker 2: or you know, are in and around sporting clubs and
36:04
Speaker 2: young children, that they don't murder other Australians as they
36:07
Speaker 2: have murdered people so far.
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Speaker 3: Next week the Parliament returns.
36:12
Speaker 2: What can you do to put pressure on the government
36:14
Speaker 2: to sort this mess out?
36:17
Speaker 4: Well, today, I said Tony Burke, we stand here at
36:20
Speaker 4: the ready to fix this mess. Australians can't go weeks
36:24
Speaker 4: without knowing what the Government's going to do to fix
36:26
Speaker 4: this mess of their own making.
36:28
Speaker 6: Having drafted body laws clearly as the Hard Court has
36:31
Speaker 6: now found. But so next week, bring it on.
36:34
Speaker 4: If you've got laws that you want to bring in
36:35
Speaker 4: that will bulletproof fix this issue once and for.
36:38
Speaker 6: All, then bring them on. I've heard zip out of
36:41
Speaker 6: the government as at today.
36:42
Speaker 4: I would have thought, given this is in the national interest,
36:45
Speaker 4: that they would have reached out to me and said, look,
36:47
Speaker 4: we're working on this, And in fact, I'm surprised that
36:50
Speaker 4: the government didn't say, given the possibility of the Hard
36:53
Speaker 4: Court ruling this way, we have been working on laws
36:56
Speaker 4: that might fix this issue nothing, which means I think
36:59
Speaker 4: they've genuinely been caught out on this one and again
37:03
Speaker 4: to point to our route, a multi billion dollar deal
37:06
Speaker 4: of which they refuse to release any detail, as the savior.
37:11
Speaker 6: To this situation. And of course it's your viewers who
37:14
Speaker 6: are paying that multi billion dollar deal to the narrow
37:16
Speaker 6: and government.
37:17
Speaker 4: I think again, is a failure of the government to
37:19
Speaker 4: take national security and community safety seriously.
37:24
Speaker 3: I just think it's outrageous.
37:25
Speaker 2: I think they're high behind fuel. They'll try and hide
37:27
Speaker 2: behind other things like inflation next week, But please, John O,
37:31
Speaker 2: please please pursue it.
37:33
Speaker 6: We are going to go hard on that. Peter I
37:35
Speaker 6: can assure you.
37:36
Speaker 2: Now, all right, I'll leave it there, Let's go to
37:39
Speaker 2: the break. We'll come back from the break. Kel Rich's
37:42
Speaker 2: coming up.
37:42
Speaker 3: Of course.
37:42
Speaker 2: I've got Sewan Bell from One Nation, Jared Holland and
37:45
Speaker 2: more in the Juggernaut, the One Nation Juggernaut in Adelaide
37:48
Speaker 2: on the weekend in South Australia.
37:50
Speaker 3: How they go. We'll discuss that in a moment. Welcome
37:57
Speaker 3: back now.
37:58
Speaker 2: An interesting exchange today between the South Australian Premier Peter
38:02
Speaker 2: melanowskis the One Nation leader Pauline Hanson and her boss
38:06
Speaker 2: in South Australia, Corey Bernardi.
38:09
Speaker 13: I hope that you know Corey wndsy we do get
38:12
Speaker 13: sus said, I happy work the labor can I'll see.
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Speaker 14: Through the stage.
38:17
Speaker 13: Well, I'm always happy to work with those that are
38:20
Speaker 13: happy to work with us. We might have fit, we
38:22
Speaker 13: might the legislation, we might have vivant violently different views
38:26
Speaker 13: of a number of subjects, but I'm always ready to
38:28
Speaker 13: work with those in ways work in.
38:30
Speaker 4: The interest of the state.
38:31
Speaker 3: Correct And I.
38:31
Speaker 6: Wish you safe travels back to queens Lay.
38:33
Speaker 2: Okay, here to say, all right, joining me now my
38:36
Speaker 2: panel on New South Wales. One Nation, Senator Sean Bell
38:39
Speaker 2: and the Page Research Center CEO Jared Holland, gentlemen, I'll
38:43
Speaker 2: start with you, Sean, because this is your mob here
38:46
Speaker 2: and they are front running the center right side of politics.
38:50
Speaker 2: Come Saturday's ballot. The Premier says you view is a
38:54
Speaker 2: violently different, but he's happy to work with One Nation.
38:57
Speaker 2: What's interesting, Yes, we all expect the premier to be
38:59
Speaker 2: returned and Labor to pick up seats, but there's a
39:02
Speaker 2: lot of talk that in terms of seats after Saturday night,
39:07
Speaker 2: you could be in stronger numbers than the Liberal opposition.
39:13
Speaker 15: I thanks Peter, I believe well, that was very interesting
39:15
Speaker 15: exchange we saw between Senator handsOn and mister Malnalchus. I
39:18
Speaker 15: think that would probably be the only leadership debate where
39:20
Speaker 15: the team polling second One Nation wasn't invited, but we
39:25
Speaker 15: were there. We showed up like we always do, and
39:28
Speaker 15: that's what we've done in South Australia. I am so
39:30
Speaker 15: impressed with this campaign because when this campaign started, we
39:33
Speaker 15: weren't sitting at twenty two percent in the polls. We
39:35
Speaker 15: would have been down at six percent. But off the
39:37
Speaker 15: back of what I think has been an incredible campaign,
39:39
Speaker 15: led very strongly by Corey Bernardi, who was an incredible
39:42
Speaker 15: powerful voice for South Australia and I am confident that
39:45
Speaker 15: he will return to politics come this Saturday and he
39:48
Speaker 15: will continue to give strong representation for the people of
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Speaker 15: South Australia for many years. Off the back of this campaign,
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Speaker 15: we are about to do something. I think whatever the
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Speaker 15: result will be very historic.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it'll be historic if you actually turn
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Speaker 2: the polling intention into a result at the ballot box.
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Speaker 2: And today, in the thirty years I've been involved in politics,
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Speaker 2: that has been the impediment for One Nation. And just
40:10
Speaker 2: to be fair to the viewers at home, the reason
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Speaker 2: why the two leaders were there today is they are
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Speaker 2: two leaders with lower House seats. That will be a
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Speaker 2: challenge for Matt Canavan, I predict in the elections coming
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Speaker 2: forward whilst he retains an Upper House seat.
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Speaker 3: Cory of course, is.
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Speaker 2: Not even in the Parliament. You don't have a seat
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament, so we don't do debates on polling intentioned.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at what happens on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: But to you, Jared, I mean I think this will
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Speaker 2: also play out in Farah. I think One Nation is
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Speaker 2: going to make a meal of the coalition in Farah
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Speaker 2: because it's a three corner contest for you, although Labour's
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Speaker 2: not edit it's a two corner contest. The Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: of the National Party will split their own coalition vote.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's really interesting, Peter. I mean, it feels like
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Speaker 16: the center right of politics does have the electoral majority
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Speaker 16: at the moment, and once you're tally one nation, the
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Speaker 16: National Part the.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Now I made that point back in January. I
41:02
Speaker 2: made that point in January. It aggregates, Yes, you are
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Speaker 2: ahead exactly.
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Speaker 16: We have a conservative electorate. So I think it's actually
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Speaker 16: really going to come down to preference flows. And of
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Speaker 16: course the wild card there is we have a Teal
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Speaker 16: independent and it's hard to see that Teal voters will
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Speaker 16: preference one nation and vice versa. It's hard to see
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Speaker 16: that one nation will preference Teals. So I don't know
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Speaker 16: if Parah is as clear cut as some posters are
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Speaker 16: making it. And obviously that surge of support for one
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Speaker 16: Nation is going to be really significant. But whether or
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Speaker 16: not it's enough to get over the line with that
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Speaker 16: very popular Till candidate, I think it's too early to tell.
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Speaker 16: But I think more broadly, Australians want a conservative government.
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Speaker 16: They don't want labor and power. What our side of
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Speaker 16: politics needs to do is work out how this actually works,
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Speaker 16: how we form a team that can govern, whether that's
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Speaker 16: the coalition. Are One Nation going to pick up seats,
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Speaker 16: are they going to remain strongest in the Senate. This
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Speaker 16: all still has to play out. I think South Australia
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Speaker 16: and Farah are going to be the first real test
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Speaker 16: of this.
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Speaker 2: Just go back to Farah because obviously it's a new
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Speaker 2: South Wales seat and you're a Senate at the new
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Speaker 2: South Wales sean people I know across that elector, and
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Speaker 2: I've rung in and spoken to people i know who
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Speaker 2: I've known for thirty and forty years. They say that
42:10
Speaker 2: at recent meetings of One Nation you're getting six seven
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Speaker 2: hundred people turn up, and at Liberal Party pre selections
42:17
Speaker 2: their number was something like one hundred and twenty. So
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Speaker 2: they argue to me, and they've never voted One Nation
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Speaker 2: before that. There feels like an energy behind your campaign.
42:29
Speaker 2: Your challenge will be Aubrey, given it's got a lot
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Speaker 2: of public servants and university types. Can you beat the
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Speaker 2: till in the bulk ballot area of Aubrey.
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Speaker 15: One hundred percent because David Farley is an excellent candidate
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Speaker 15: and we have excellent policies. I know that when we
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Speaker 15: get out in the ground with that huge swell of momentum,
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Speaker 15: we have so many people lining up to volunteer, and
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Speaker 15: we are ready to deliver. You know, we are ready
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Speaker 15: to tell the people of Parah that we are here
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Speaker 15: to say we're going to scrap net zero, because we
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Speaker 15: will scrap net zero. We are here to bring down
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Speaker 15: energy prices. We're here to hold a bad labor government
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Speaker 15: to account, and we are here to make sure that
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Speaker 15: when a crisis occurs that we're ready to act and
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Speaker 15: we don't find ourselves in a situation where you have
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Speaker 15: hapless government ministers like Christopher Bowen squibbing fuel supply, which
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Speaker 15: he then drives up the cost of fuel, has a
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Speaker 15: huge impact on farmers in seats like Farah and has
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Speaker 15: devastating impacts for the country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Chris Bowen is the reason why labor
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Speaker 2: and not running in Farah. Jared, we heard the Reserve
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Speaker 2: Bank governor yesterday making it very very clear that domestic issues,
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Speaker 2: big spending governments are what are driving inflation there is
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Speaker 2: a component of the Iran war. But that's much much
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Speaker 2: less than the government's spin. Listen to the premiere in
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Speaker 2: Victoria on this very point.
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Speaker 17: Yesterday's interest rate decision from the Reserve Bank coming at
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Speaker 17: a time when households are watching fuel prices also increase,
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Speaker 17: at the same time that there's already significant pressure on
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Speaker 17: household budgets. This is the last thing that households, families,
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Speaker 17: working people need, and my government understands this, which is
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Speaker 17: why we understand that there is a role for government
44:21
Speaker 17: to provide support to households that are doing it tough.
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Speaker 2: Okay, she's arguing for more handouts. We know that she's
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Speaker 2: got an election. If she was serious about taking pressure
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Speaker 2: off people, as she'd cut the ridiculous taxes in Victoria
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Speaker 2: that are hurting people and sending people moving into state.
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Speaker 2: But clearly she thinks more handouts are the way to go.
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Speaker 16: Well, she's also scapegoating thea. The RBA just responds to
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Speaker 16: the inflation in the economy. When you've got too many
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Speaker 16: dollars chasing too many goods and services, the value of
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Speaker 16: your dollars go down and that's what drives inflation. And
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Speaker 16: how do we have why do we have too many
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Speaker 16: dollars chasing too many goods and services. It's because governments
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Speaker 16: can't stop spending, both at state and federal, and these
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Speaker 16: costs of living measures, they are like tight band aid
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Speaker 16: ways of solutions of trying to solve this problem, which
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Speaker 16: will only drive more inflation. You can almost guarantee that
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Speaker 16: when the time comes for the next decision on rate rises,
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Speaker 16: that all this extra spending will have driven even more
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Speaker 16: inflation and you end up in this vicious cycle where
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Speaker 16: living standards continue to drop. And to exactly to your point,
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Speaker 16: if she was serious about getting inflation down, you would
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Speaker 16: stop the government spending and you would give people back
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Speaker 16: more of their own money, rather than printing money out
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Speaker 16: of thin air, borrowing it from overseas, borrowing it on
45:38
Speaker 16: a ledger when you have no way of paying it back.
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Speaker 16: That is a recipe for disaster. And Jacinta Allen is
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Speaker 16: actively going to make living standards worse, not only for Victorians,
45:48
Speaker 16: but this will spill on a course in other states
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Speaker 16: and all around Australia.
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Speaker 2: You also wouldn't spend billions on a commonwealth games that
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Speaker 2: you cancel and then spend billions giving that money to
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Speaker 2: Glasgow to hosted. It should have started this week in
46:01
Speaker 2: Victoria and clearly it did not. Sean Bell, Jared Holland
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Speaker 2: thank you. After break, you're wonderful. Kel joins me with
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Speaker 2: some great words for the week. Joining us now as
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Speaker 2: it does every Wednesday, our dear friend, the words Smith extraordinary,
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Speaker 2: Kel Riches, were you more than that? Because we see
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Speaker 2: you on sky talking about a range of topics. You're
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Speaker 2: a learned man, Kel, and I love that you hear
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Speaker 2: with me every Wednesday. Let's get into it. We've got Peter,
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Speaker 2: one of our viewers, who wants to know about the expression.
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Speaker 2: The origins of the expression the long arm of the law.
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Speaker 14: When it began, When it first appeared in print, it
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Speaker 14: was plural. It was the long arms with aness of
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Speaker 14: the law. That's how it first appeared in print in
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Speaker 14: a London newspaper in seventeen seventy six. So the picture
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Speaker 14: was the law has so many legal officers. There are
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Speaker 14: so many law officers that makes it hard for criminals
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Speaker 14: to escape. That's how it began. And somehow, over the
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Speaker 14: centuries in between, we've lost the yes and it's just
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Speaker 14: become the long arm of the law.
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Speaker 2: What about agnostic because Helen's written saying I don't like
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Speaker 2: the use of agnostic or the way it's being used.
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Speaker 3: She says Mick Kelty was.
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Speaker 2: Quoted as being agnostic over expediting Royal Commission findings. She said,
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Speaker 2: what's happened to words such as neutral, impartial or non committed?
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Speaker 14: I think Helen is very smart. When anyone says they're impartial.
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Speaker 14: By saying they're agnostic, what they're doing is they're telling
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Speaker 14: us they are illiterate. Thomas Huxley coined the word agnostic
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Speaker 14: in eighteen sixty nine, and it formed from the Greek
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Speaker 14: word nosis, meaning knowledge. It's the negative of knowledge, it's
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Speaker 14: no knowledge. So Huxley was an atheist, but in Victorian
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Speaker 14: society he was reluctant to put it as bluntly as that,
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Speaker 14: so instead he said, when it comes to the existence
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Speaker 14: of God, I have no knowledge. I am agnostic. That
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Speaker 14: is how he coined the expression. In fact, it's sort
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Speaker 14: of it's the Sergeant Shuls answer, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: I know nothing?
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Speaker 14: I know nothing And for someone to use all.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting, cal Can I just pull you up on
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Speaker 2: that one, because I've always thought agnostic with someone who
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Speaker 2: is it yet in the atheist can the atheist says
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Speaker 2: God does not exist. They don't necessarily sign up to
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Speaker 2: believing in God, this is the agnostic, but they are
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Speaker 2: open to God. They're open to the concept of a
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Speaker 2: greater being. They're sort of I guess, neither fish nor foul.
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Speaker 2: They're not a believer, but they're not willing to say
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Speaker 2: they're a non believer.
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Speaker 3: Am I right?
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Speaker 9: There?
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Speaker 14: A lot of people have used it like that. It's
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Speaker 14: one of those words which has ended up having a
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Speaker 14: flexible meaning. Huxley in the beginning was claiming there is
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Speaker 14: not enough knowledge to be clear about whether God exists
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Speaker 14: or not. He was saying, it's not possible to know.
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Speaker 14: There just isn't enough knowledge available to us. But then
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Speaker 14: people have used it in exactly the way that you've
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Speaker 14: used it, But it's never meant impartial. It is, as
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Speaker 14: I say, the sergeant Shull's answer of I know nothing,
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Speaker 14: I know nothing.
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Speaker 3: And if Helen's you're smart, our people are smart.
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Speaker 14: You are smart, Helen's clever.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Helen, Peter says shoe in the expression
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Speaker 2: shoe in is.
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Speaker 3: It s h o e or s h double o?
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Speaker 3: And what's it mean?
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Speaker 14: Well, Peter banonows because there's a shoe in for the
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Speaker 14: election on Saturday, but that doesn't mean he has got
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Speaker 14: his foot in the door like a persistent and annoying salesman.
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Speaker 14: It is. There's no such word as shoe in spelt
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Speaker 14: with an e s a h o E A footwear
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Speaker 14: doesn't come into it. It's shoe s h double o
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Speaker 14: and shoe is an old expression which was used as
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Speaker 14: an exclamation in order to drive poultry and other animals.
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Speaker 14: So if someone is being driven straight into a job,
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Speaker 14: he is a shoe in to get the job sh
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Speaker 14: and the word shoe, by the way, is a very
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Speaker 14: old word fourteen hundreds and the Oxford says it's just
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Speaker 14: an automatic expression or exclamation.
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Speaker 2: So this would be right when my mum would say,
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Speaker 2: go and shoe the chuck back in, shoe the coop.
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Speaker 3: That's the right shoe exactly all right.
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Speaker 2: And they were chooks in my day, they're not hens
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Speaker 2: or all that other rubbish.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, kel. I'll leave it there.
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Speaker 2: We should actually find out the origin of chocks for
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Speaker 2: next week. That's it for me tomorrow. Of course, I'll
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Speaker 2: be back here up next though.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Bolt