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The Late Debate | 19 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening, great to have your company. I'm James
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  Speaker 2: Macpherson with the Nika to Georgio and Caleb Bond, who
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  Speaker 2: is going to South Australia this weekend. I'm just wondering,
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  Speaker 2: is this one nation orange wearing that look?
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  Speaker 1: It's not deliberately one nation orange. But I will be
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  Speaker 1: talking to Corey Bernardi on the Bond Report five pm tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be in Adelaide to do all the pre election coverage.
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  Speaker 3: There you go, and I'm gonna ask me if this
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  Speaker 3: is Red Labour redd? Are you worry? Is this where
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  Speaker 3: the conversations.
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  Speaker 1: Here missus Mallley over here?
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, definitely not. What are you?
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  Speaker 4: You've got nothing your neutual territory tonight, James.
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  Speaker 2: I have no horse in the fight. All right, Here's
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  Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight. Australian parents are increasingly leaving their
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  Speaker 2: estates to charity rather than to their kids. Is that okay?
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  Speaker 2: And what does it say about our society? A respected
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  Speaker 2: judge warns that the inability of Australian schools to deal
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  Speaker 2: with bullying is giving rise to the next generation of
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  Speaker 2: criminals and politicians anxious to fast track housing are increasingly
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  Speaker 2: removing the rights of people to object to new developments.
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  Speaker 2: That's hardly fair. We'll get to all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 2: but first, a new study has found an overwhelming majority
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  Speaker 2: of migrants want cuts to migration. Turns out, first generation
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  Speaker 2: Australians have eyes too, and like the rest of US,
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  Speaker 2: realize Labour's high immigration intake is simply unsustainable. The study,
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  Speaker 2: conducted for the IPA shows fifty nine percent of first
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  Speaker 2: generation Australians want migration cut and even non citizens forty
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  Speaker 2: two percent reckon there's too many foreigners coming into the country.
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  Speaker 2: This poll should give courage to the Liberal Party that
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  Speaker 2: you can campaign against high immigration without alienating migrants.
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  Speaker 5: Danika.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what this study tells me, James, is you know,
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  Speaker 4: Labor has spent the past few years pandering, particularly to
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  Speaker 4: the Muslim vote in places like Western Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a complain fast, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Because when you think this is a huge amount of
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  Speaker 4: first generation migrants that actually support cuts white because they
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  Speaker 4: are also impacted by the cost of living crisis. And
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  Speaker 4: when you think, really it is migration that is propping
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  Speaker 4: up this Ponzi scheme economy. Without it, we would be
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  Speaker 4: in a recession though, you know that's another story right now,
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  Speaker 4: especially off the back of the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: But we've got inflation, that's high, cost of living is high.
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  Speaker 4: Labor has not achieved not one of its housing targets.
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  Speaker 4: Building approvals are at a record number of low.
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  Speaker 3: A record lows.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, of course, my migrants are filling the pincher James.
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  Speaker 4: And when you also look at that survey, it found
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  Speaker 4: that the majority want to see migration that the nooms.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the the.
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  Speaker 4: NOOM is that the net overseas migration target seventy nine
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  Speaker 4: percent support a rate of one hundred thousand or less.
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  Speaker 4: But in the last financial year the NOM was three
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  Speaker 4: hundred and five thousand. Under labor, where are we going
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  Speaker 4: to put all these people? So I wasn't surprised to
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  Speaker 4: hear this figure it.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting though, to see how they deal with it,
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  Speaker 1: because there are two issues really. One is whether or
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  Speaker 1: not you talk about migration in terms of numbers. The
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  Speaker 1: other is you talk about the values of migrants and
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  Speaker 1: the actual migrants themselves. And I feel like there's been
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  Speaker 1: this folly sold that the two must be completely linked
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  Speaker 1: at all times, and that you can't say talk about
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  Speaker 1: migration numbers without then also casting aspersions on people who
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  Speaker 1: are already in the country, and that is clearly not
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  Speaker 1: the case. I mean, as these numbers show, people who
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  Speaker 1: are already in the country can see as you and
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  Speaker 1: I can, that there are issues, and they are dealing
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  Speaker 1: with the same cost of living pressures and whatever that
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  Speaker 1: everyone else is. They're no different than the rest of
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  Speaker 1: us in that circumstance. And I think there's been a
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  Speaker 1: concern that if you say, well, migration should be lowered,
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  Speaker 1: what you are essentially saying is that the migrants who
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  Speaker 1: are already here should piss off. And it doesn't mean that.
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  Speaker 1: It's say, we're actually all in the same boat trying
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  Speaker 1: to build a country that we want to live in,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of the people who happen to live
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  Speaker 1: in this country are themselves migrants, and they want the
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  Speaker 1: same prosperity as the risk of us. In fact, many
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  Speaker 1: of them came here specifically because they wanted prosperity that
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  Speaker 1: they couldn't find in their own countries, and they themselves
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  Speaker 1: are now being denied that opportunity because of mass migration.
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  Speaker 1: So of course they perhaps above most other people have
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  Speaker 1: a direct argument as first generation Australians for saying this
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  Speaker 1: is not what we came to this country for. No.
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  Speaker 4: But as I said as well, labor has hidden behind this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember in the lead up
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  Speaker 4: to the election last year, I remember Tony Burke went
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  Speaker 4: on his massive citizenship tour of Australia where every man
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  Speaker 4: and their dog who came in suddenly you got a citizenship.
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, he was OPRAH for a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the labor way because it is politically
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  Speaker 4: it's a high migration level suit labor. But this study
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  Speaker 4: exposes it as a complete face.
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  Speaker 2: Well curiously, forty eight percent of people aid said what
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  Speaker 2: you have just said that Labour use immigration to bring
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  Speaker 2: people into the country who will vote for them. So
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  Speaker 2: that's almost half of the Australian surveyed believe that to
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  Speaker 2: be true. The other interesting stat was that only thirty
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  Speaker 2: one percent of people surveyed trusted the Coalition to deal
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  Speaker 2: with migration. And this is one of those policies that
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  Speaker 2: they've sort of been hinting at talking about but without
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  Speaker 2: putting any real numbers down. And one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: why the Coalition is flailing about while One Nation continues
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  Speaker 2: to rise in the polls because One Nation have said
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  Speaker 2: will reduce immigration to under one hundred thousand, which is,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, what many people want, while the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: are a little bit timid and scared to give an
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  Speaker 2: actual number.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure whether it's.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're afraid they won't achieve it, or they're scared
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  Speaker 2: that it will upset existing migrants, who this survey shows
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  Speaker 2: would probably support.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's the fear of being called racist.
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  Speaker 4: It's the fear of being called bigot, and this is
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  Speaker 4: the issue that I don't I think this is why
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  Speaker 4: Australia hasn't been able to have an actual proper debate
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  Speaker 4: on migration, because there's you know, these stereotypes around it.
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  Speaker 4: Where you look at Pauline Hanson. I mean, she's been
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  Speaker 4: talking about this since she was elected to the parliament.
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  Speaker 4: This is nothing new. You know, she was elected to
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  Speaker 4: the Parliament on a mandate on this. So I can
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  Speaker 4: understand why in this survey voters feel that One Nation
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  Speaker 4: are the only parties that are actually going to be
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  Speaker 4: able to tackle migration.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's been one of the major contributors to the
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  Speaker 1: rise in one nation, I think, but we can't think
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  Speaker 1: well we I say we the Liberal Party should not
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  Speaker 1: also think that this would be the panacea if they
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  Speaker 1: were to bring in a policy that instituted lower migration,
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  Speaker 1: because if you look at the one nation's polling in
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales and South Australia, migration is not a
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  Speaker 1: state political issue and people are still drifting to one
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  Speaker 1: nation in those situations as well. So migration is not
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  Speaker 1: the only thing driving people to one nation, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it is a significant one. There's one of Libs
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  Speaker 1: need to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the statistic from this study that I
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  Speaker 2: found very interesting. Seventy seven percent of people said migrants
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  Speaker 2: should be forced to sign a values and standards document
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  Speaker 2: that this is what we agree to as citizens in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: That had overwhelming support.
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  Speaker 1: And no surprise to that one. I think pretty much
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  Speaker 1: everyone could agree with that, except, of course, if you're
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  Speaker 1: one of these people who doesn't adhere to our values,
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  Speaker 1: in which case you're exactly the sort of person we
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  Speaker 1: want to catch out. Now. It's one of those age
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  Speaker 1: old debates, and I'm sure there are plenty of people
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  Speaker 1: watching who've been thinking about this themselves. When I shuffle
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  Speaker 1: off my mortal coil. Should I give my money to
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  Speaker 1: my children, those money grabbing little bastards, or should I
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  Speaker 1: give it to someone else well. A new survey that
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  Speaker 1: was released this afternoon, published by the News Court Papers Online,
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  Speaker 1: shows that a significant number of people are now considering
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  Speaker 1: giving their money to someone other than their children, principally
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  Speaker 1: a charity. This was commissioned by a company that does
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  Speaker 1: wills called Safe Will, and they found that thirty six
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  Speaker 1: percent of people baby boomers specifically, so this is the
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  Speaker 1: next group who are moving into older age and are
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  Speaker 1: now considering these things, what are they going to do
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  Speaker 1: in later life? Thirty six percent have considered leaving at
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  Speaker 1: least part of their estate or all of their estate
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  Speaker 1: to charity instead of passing it on to their children.
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  Speaker 1: And then when the question is if your children are
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  Speaker 1: well off themselves, they've made their own money, or they
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  Speaker 1: don't have debt, would you consider doing it, it rises
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  Speaker 1: to fifty one percent of people. So more than half
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  Speaker 1: of baby boomers whose children they deem to be well off,
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  Speaker 1: they've paid off the house, or they're living fine, have
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  Speaker 1: considered leaving at least part of their estate to charity
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  Speaker 1: instead of passing it on to their children. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I say, it's your money. You can do
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  Speaker 1: what you want with it. I get that the kids
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  Speaker 1: probably won't be terribly happy with that, and they'll say, well,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you leave it to me? But you know,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't spend their lives earning money in order to
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  Speaker 1: give it all to their kids. I see people who
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  Speaker 1: in old age and depriving themselves because they feel like
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  Speaker 1: they need to leave an inheritance to their children.
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  Speaker 5: That's called being a parent. You spend your whole life
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  Speaker 5: depriving yourself here.
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  Speaker 1: But why can't they work themselves out? You go and
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  Speaker 1: earn your own money, your parents' earn your own money.
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  Speaker 1: I've never asked my parents for a thing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: expect anything from them. I don't expect anything when they die.
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  Speaker 1: I was born on this earth. I've got to make
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  Speaker 1: my own way.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a value where not only do you
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  Speaker 2: want to look after your children, but also your children's children,
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  Speaker 2: and so you have a sense of building a family
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  Speaker 2: that lives well beyond you. So I'm even surprised that
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  Speaker 2: parents who say, well, my kids are well off, they
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  Speaker 2: don't need my money. I would have thought that's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit irrespective.
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  Speaker 5: It's not whether they need it or not.
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  Speaker 2: You want the next generation to be better than this generation,
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  Speaker 2: and the generation be on your children to be better off.
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  Speaker 5: Even more so, this.
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  Speaker 2: Idea of generational wealth, I think is a healthy, strong thing.
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  Speaker 2: It worries me when parents say, you know what, my
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  Speaker 2: kids they can go and look after themselves, or they're
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  Speaker 2: fine the way I am, I'm going to spend all
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten die with nothing to hand on. I think
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  Speaker 2: is counter to everything that we should be encouraging in culture.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you're the only parent on this panel
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  Speaker 3: panel this even.
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  Speaker 5: Well I'm talking to my parents, but you forget that always.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, But I actually agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: I think that why wouldn't you want to do everything
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  Speaker 4: that you possibly can to set not only your own
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  Speaker 4: children up, but their children and their children's children up
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  Speaker 4: for future generations.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I can understand.
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  Speaker 4: Your perspective that there are a lot of baby boomers
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  Speaker 4: who are not spending their own money out of fear,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's ridiculous, because you should spend your
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  Speaker 4: own money. You've earned, You've earned the right to go
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  Speaker 4: and spend your own money. But I think this concept
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  Speaker 4: of oh well, no, they're already financially set up doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know what could be around the corner tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know that wealth could be cleaned up tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: and that family would be left with absolutely nothing. No,
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  Speaker 4: I think, keep the money in the family and do
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  Speaker 4: whatever you can to support future generations, and none of
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  Speaker 4: us would be sitting here thinking about that. I mean
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  Speaker 4: that the thought of, you know, my parents will makes
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  Speaker 4: me feel sick. I don't want to ever ever think
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  Speaker 4: about that, even though being an only child, obviously I've
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  Speaker 4: had to have these very difficult discussions with my parents,
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  Speaker 4: discussions that I don't want to have, but you have
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  Speaker 4: to have them. And I just think that any parent
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  Speaker 4: would do anything that they possibly can to help out.
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  Speaker 1: If you're the only kid, You're up for the lot,
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  Speaker 1: aren't you. What are you complaining about?
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  Speaker 4: But do you think I sit and think about that, Caleb,
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  Speaker 4: I think about it made me feel sick. Never want
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  Speaker 4: to think about that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people do. There are complaints.
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  Speaker 1: You know what a ski holiday is, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: mean you're going to the Swiss Alps spend the kid's
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  Speaker 1: inheritance right. And this is a consternation amongst a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people. Not the parents, they're off spending the money,
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  Speaker 1: but there are dead set children, adults sitting around worried
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  Speaker 1: that their parents are spending too much money and that
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  Speaker 1: they will end up with nothing. I think that's greedy,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but there are so many of them, And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what about when it comes to wills, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, mum and dad say I'm leaving X y
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  Speaker 1: Z to this person, this person, this person, one of
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  Speaker 1: the kids ends up with less than the other kids.
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  Speaker 1: Next thing, they're in court fighting about it. Well, if
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  Speaker 1: mum and dad have deemed that you don't deserve as
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  Speaker 1: much money as the others, they're dead now, why don't
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: you respect their dying wishes. But where it comes to money,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: families fight. You know, money is relative. The more money
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: you have, the more relatives you have because they want
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  Speaker 1: to get your hands or they want to get their
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  Speaker 1: hands on your money, and it opens up these awful situations.
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  Speaker 1: I think whatever mum and dad want, mum and dad
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  Speaker 1: should get. Well.
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  Speaker 2: The good news for you, Calabi is that by the
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  Speaker 2: time we all pay for our own aged care, there'll
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  Speaker 2: be nothing to handle. So the whole conversation is probably
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  Speaker 2: redundant now exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, we've been talking about the cost of
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  Speaker 4: living crisis again. What parent wouldn't want to try and
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  Speaker 4: set their kids up. The housing market is bust as
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  Speaker 4: it is. If you can provide your kids with some assistance,
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  Speaker 4: I think any parent absolutely would.
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  Speaker 3: Now. Look, we do talk over and over.
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  Speaker 4: Again about the justice system failing victims. I mean we
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  Speaker 4: see it in big court cases, we see it when
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: it comes to youth crime. But it's happened again, and
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  Speaker 4: this time in South Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look at this case.
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  Speaker 4: A woman by the name of Elizabeth Meg Cranes. She
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  Speaker 4: has received a suspended sentence over the death of a
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  Speaker 4: motorcyclist named Danny Gaily. But get this, at the time
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  Speaker 4: of the crash, she had been self medicating with cannabis
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  Speaker 4: for her ADHD symptoms when she was pulled over by police.
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  Speaker 3: Her THHC levels.
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  Speaker 4: Were equivalent equivalent to a blood alcohol reading of zero
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  Speaker 4: point zero four and she had been talking on the
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  Speaker 4: phone at the time of the crash when she carelessly
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  Speaker 4: made a right turn crashed into the victim. The victim
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  Speaker 4: was taken to hospital, but died a few days later
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  Speaker 4: from their injuries.
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  Speaker 3: Despite all of this.
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  Speaker 4: In the last day, Judge and Barnett this is over
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  Speaker 4: in South Australia still let her walk free from court
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  Speaker 4: with a suspended sentence. She's also been disqualified from driving,
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: but that has been backdated to June twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: Now this is the interesting part because this crime made
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  Speaker 4: this woman the first person charged over what is called
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  Speaker 4: Sophia's Law, which was drafted after a young teenager died
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  Speaker 4: after being hit by a high powered car.
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  Speaker 3: But the point of.
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  Speaker 4: This law was actually to close any of the loopholes
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  Speaker 4: when it came to careless driving or reckless driving laws. Well,
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  Speaker 4: clearly it hasn't worked, has it, Because today we saw
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  Speaker 4: this woman walk free and another victims lives or the
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  Speaker 4: victim's family, these lives are up in tatters. Here was
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  Speaker 4: a friend of the family speaking outside.
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  Speaker 1: With her for the rest of her life, as.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what.
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  Speaker 2: He was a good side.
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  Speaker 1: I think you would have wanted to go on any
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: longer and drag anyone down for any longer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I believe that was actually the friend of
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  Speaker 4: the victim who passed away. But we do also have
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  Speaker 4: some of the other family.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have a look, have.
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  Speaker 2: A message from Dannie's mother, who couldn't be here today.
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  Speaker 4: In Dannie's honor, we want to contribute to changing people's
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: driving behavior, to stop taking driving.
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  Speaker 2: For granted and for being careless, in attentive behind the will.
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  Speaker 4: And exactly as she put it, stop taking driving for granted.
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  Speaker 3: Now, what is this point of this.
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  Speaker 4: Sophia's law if the law is actually not being enforced.
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  Speaker 4: And once again we see time and time again the
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  Speaker 4: justice system failing the ex spectations of the public.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't pass the pub test.
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  Speaker 4: And are you going to set an example for future
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  Speaker 4: perpetrators or are you not?
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  Speaker 3: Because what the cycle of crime just keeps continuing.
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  Speaker 4: People are out there dying, somebody gets charged, they go
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  Speaker 4: to court, they get a slap on the wrist, a
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  Speaker 4: disqualified license, and a sentence suspended.
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  Speaker 3: It's not good enough. It's not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: When somebody has died, an innocent person has died, and
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: the family's lives are changed forever. I just think that
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  Speaker 4: the justice system in this country has made some absolutely
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  Speaker 4: woeful decisions and this is one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Sofia's Law meant that you could face up to seven
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  Speaker 2: years imprisonment for careless or reckless driving that resulted in death.
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  Speaker 2: It beggars belief that the judge in this case was
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  Speaker 2: not aware this being the first person charged under those laws,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: that this case would generate a lot of publicity that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: people would be watching to see will the law punish
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: people who have reckless taken a life? And for the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: judge to then issue a suspended sentence just I can't
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: understand why a judge would do that, recognizing how important
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: and historic this first case was.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: Second point is, you know, I'm sick.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Of politicians making a big deal about maximum penalties. Institute
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: minimum penalties because you put in maximum penalties, but that's
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: no guarantee that the judiciary are going to uphold it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Who cares if it's a maximum sentence of seven years.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: If a judge has the power to give a minimum
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: sentence like twenty months suspended sentence, it makes no sense
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: at all. And the family members not the first guy,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: he was quite sympathiz well, not really sympathetic, but his
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: deceased friend was a nice guy, and he said, look,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have wanted the driver to have suffered any
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: more than they already have with the guilt, et cetera.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: But I can understand the family being outraged by this.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I must to the point of mandatory minimum sentencing. I'm
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: concerned about mandatory minimums apart from when it comes to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the most heinous crimes, because it does take away judicial discretion,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and there are situations in which judicial discretion is warranted
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and should be used. But a case like this where
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you have a maximum available sentence of seven years imprisonment
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't just someone who was a little bit
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: distracted and cleaned someone up. She was on drugs, right,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So you're under the influence of drugs, which surely is
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: an aggravating factor. And we know every time the cops
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: do out and do a sweep of breath testing and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: drug testing, far more people come back as a rate
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of tests, far more people come back under the influence
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of drugs than come back under the influence of alcohol.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: We've got the message through to people that you don't
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: drink and drive, and they can go out the coppers
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and do you know, two thousand breath tests in a
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: night and they'll come back with maybe five positives. If
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: they're lucky, they can go out and do five hundred
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: drug tests and I'll come back with fifty positives. Like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it's a rate of about ten percent. Every time they
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: do one of these things, they'll come back with positive
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: drug tests. We're not getting the message through that you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: can't drive when you're on drugs. And if you collect
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: someone while you're on drugs, surely you need to be
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: made an example of for the rest of the community
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to say, if you do this stuff and you kill someone,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you're going to go to the slammer. Let alone the
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: life of the person you have taken and the value
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: And she was also on the phone, and she was
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: also on the phone when she took that fatal right
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: hand turn as well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Again, and I agree with your point.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: If you don't start making an example of these people,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: it's a slap on the wrist. The cycle of crime
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: continues and that's the problem.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Speaking of crime, one of Australia's most
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: respected judges, New South Wales District Court Judge Paul Conlin,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: has warned that unless schools stop the epidemic of bullying,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we're just going to end up with the explosion in crime.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: What's though, is he's not talking about the perpetrators who
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: go on to become criminals. But he makes the point
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that many victims of bullying end up as criminals. Talking
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: about offenders appearing before him in court, he told The
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph a regular feature of the subjective material presented
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to the court often includes a fairly tragic history of
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: physical and verbal abuse and bullying throughout school years. The
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: psychological impact often has them turning to drugs and other
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: illicit substances, almost as a means of self medicating, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: then from there these victims go on to become perpetrators themselves.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It's the old hurt people, hurt people sort of syndrome.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: We can argue about that in a moment. This next
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: thing he said, I think makes a lot of sense.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: He said, many of today's parents are not so much
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: raising children but princes and princesses who can do no wrong.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: For real change to occur, the government needs to provide
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: for strong action against defenders and then support the schools
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: in the implementation of sanctions.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: There's a little bit.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: To unpack there, but I want to get your thoughts
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: on I was fully expecting him to say, you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: these kids who are bullying other kids in school then
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: they're going to go on and bully people, you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: outside of school and commit crime. But he's talking about
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: victims of bullying going on to become criminals.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Surprised to hear.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I was surprised to hear that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: But he's right that many of parents of today are
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: treating kids like princes and princes. I mean, it's this
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: bizarre soft parenting. And when it comes to bullying cases, right,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: what do you think about it? Schools do have strict
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: bullying policies as it is, and I do think that
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: they are quite strict, but it comes to suspension or expulsion.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: But hello, where are mom and dad in all of this?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Where is a discipline at home? Because it all starts
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: at home. Now, I realize that not every child has
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: a functional family, a functional mother and father. Maybe they've
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: only got one parent, maybe they don't have any parents,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: maybe they've got a care But everything that happens at
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a child life begins at home before they go on.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: To the classrooms.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: So I just think there needs to be some sort
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: of discipline. And I was actually having a chat to
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: my dad about this before before we came on here,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: and he's like, when I was young. I used to
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: get the cane and we never did it again. You've
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: got to have some sort of discipline. We just don't
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: have that anymore. And I agree with this sentiment. We're
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: raising princes and princesses and it's a soft generation who
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: were just just It is baffling to me.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So what has brought all of this up was an
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: awful case you might have seen this week from Kingsgrove
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in Sydney where a girl was mercilessly bullied. We'll show
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you a little bit of the clip that's been doing
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the rounds. The vision is distressing. Stop black and said
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: second again. Conscious for you. That has set things a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: light in New South Wales. That's why the judge is speaking.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: There's been a big political response to it as well.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Your question as to whether it's surprising, I don't find
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it the least bit surprising because when you look at,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: for instance, cases of people who commit sexual offenses, particularly
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: against children, time and again, the common factor in all
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of them is that they were themselves abused as children.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't surprise me that abused people become abusers
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and then end up in the criminal system. Because you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: if you feel like you are worthless. I mean, what's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the point in cleaning myself up. I'll just do whatever
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the hell I want to hell with the consequences, because
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: my life has no value anyway. And that's sort of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: what gets pummeled into these children when they get bullied
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: so mercilessly. Bullying is not a new thing, though. It's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: not as though this hasn't existed for time immemorial. It
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: has existed for time I memori. It's probably a little
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: different now because it can extend into the home far
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: more than it used to be able to, because the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: kids go home and they've got the computer or the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: phone or whatever, and they get bullied online. It's not
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like it ends when the school day ends anymore. But
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the other thing that we've lost, and I'm not condoning
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: violence in saying this, but there was an attitude once
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: upon a time that if you were bullied, fight back.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You've got to show the bully whose boss. Because bullies
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: are themselves not always strong people, they look for the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: weakest to pick on because it makes them feel stronger.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Often bullies are dealing with their own insecurities, and an
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: easy way to do that is to pick on someone
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: they perceive is weaker than them, and that makes them
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: feel better about themselves. And there was a time whereaf
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a bully came after you and you went home and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: told dad about it. Dad said, we'll give the bloke
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a crack and they'll teach him a lesson. And often
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it does, because you've got to instill a level of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: respect in these people and say you can't push me around.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think we do that anymore because we've told
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: people that violence is bad, and of course violence is bad,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: but if someone's getting pushy with you, I think you
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: should be able to get pushy back with them. We've
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: sort of made kids feel helpless and there's only so
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: much you can do by expecting a school or a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: principle or whatever to intervene, because if the parents at
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: home aren't doing anything about it, there's only one language
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that is going to get through to them, and that's
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: someone's standing up to them and saying you do that again,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You're going to pay the price suspension. What do they care,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I'll just go to another school. They've got to have
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the threat of someone knocking their blocks.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And this was another point made in the article that
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: teachers could be reluctant to strongly address bullies because then
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: they'll end up with a larger bully, the mum and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: dad of the kid that they have disciplined in the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: school office going off their nut about my son's not
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: like that, that's not true, you're picking on my son.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And so teachers are wary of getting involved too much
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: because the parents are just as bad as some of
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the kids.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I take issue with that because as a teacher,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: don't you want to be on the right side of history,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: not the wrong side of history. You want to be
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: able to say no, this child is being bullied. Wouldn't
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you stand up to those parents? I mean, that's the problem.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: If the parents are like that, then they've got serious issues.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: But as a teacher, wouldn't you feel an obligation to
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: protect a child that is being bullied? And if that
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: means facing the parents also be it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. But there's any so much that
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you can then do if you're in the face of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that sort of pig ignorance that there's really only so
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: much you can do. I mean, what is wrong with
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: parents like that? If a teacher had called up my
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: parents and said little Caleb was running around the schoolyard
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: bullying kids. I can tell you I would have been
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: flat on my ass and they would not have stopped
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to question the validity of what my teacher had told them.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: They would have taken it at face value, no questions asked.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: So this is what I'm saying to you, though, discipline
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: starts at home. Now, not every I do agree that
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: not everybody has a stable parent that could actually enforce discipline,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: but it does start at home. And you know, like
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: your example, Caleb, if that happened to you, I'm sure
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: that your mom and dad would have absolutely.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Belted you one. But you do need a level of discipline.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I think a few wooden spoons were sacrificed on high
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Bottom as childs. Rest in peace to the wooden spoons.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: They never saw another bolonnaise made on the stovetop. Again, Now,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: let's talk about something while we're doing at serious issues.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The Iranian footballers who, of course the women's team, who
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: were out here playing in the Asian Cup, a number
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of whom said they wanted to stay in the country
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and they sought refuge. You've then had since then a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: number of them go back to Iran. Well, they were
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: paraded today in Iran as though they were somehow national heroes.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: In the process of doing so, they were made to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: walk on the Israeli and United States flags. Take a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: look at them. If you haven't seen this footage already today,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: tell me whether you think these look like happy women.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: To me, they look like they are there under duress.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And of course the question has been why did so
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: many of them go home? I think we've only got
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: two left in the country now, presumably because they are
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: under threat for their families. If you don't come back,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: bad things will happen. And you've now got to ask
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the question, what is going to happen to them? Sure,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they've been paraded now, they've got their head gear back
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: on which they took off while they were here under
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: refuge in Australia. Presumably they are under the thumb. Will
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: we ever see these women again? But of course the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Iranian regime is trumpeting this. They are so happy because
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of course they get to parade them and use it
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: in their propaganda war. This is the speaker of the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Iranian parliament, Muhammed Bugger gully Bath. What do you reckon?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Sounds good?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I don't particularly care if I've mispronounced his name. To
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: be perfectly anyway, he said, our daughters, despite all the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: malice of the enemies of this country, have not become
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: disillusioned with themselves. They have not surrendered to the temptations
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and intimidation of the Iran haters, and they will return
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: with pride to their eternal home, Iran. And I'd call
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that a fair bit of cope there. To be perfectly honest,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think they've returned because they've seen the light
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: on Iran. I think they've returned because they don't want
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: their families to be killed. To be perfectly honest, but
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Iran has that moment that has now been broadcast around
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the world where they can say, you know, we're powerful
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: enough to bring these women back and everyone is under
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: our thumb.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think Tony Burke, in his quiet moments at night,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: would think to himself, maybe we shouldn't have done all
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: those photos with me standing in the middle and me
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: sitting signing the documents and all the girls sitting appreciatively
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: around me, because those images went right around the world.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: First.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm not saying that the Iranian regime should not
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: be provoked or embarrassed, But in a situation like this
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that was needlessly provocative when you've got young women and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: their families in mortal danger, could not the government have
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: just done this quietly, without all the fanfare. It might
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: not have made a difference, but it might have made
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: a difference. Australia made it into an international thing. Now
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the Iranians have made it into an international thing, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: these girls are caught in the middle. Tony Burke trying
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to prove how you know, kind he is and how
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: good this government is. The Iranians trying to prove how
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: superior they are to Western culture. Meanwhile, you've got these
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: kids whose lives are in danger.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Well, yes, that picture of Tony Burke smiling like a
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: cheshier cat has obviously gone global. And I think what's
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: happened here is labor didn't want to act on this.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump said, no, you've got to do something. Put
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: it on truth. Social Labour's gone on. Well, we better,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: you know, we better look like we're doing something. We
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: better try and be on the right side of history.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: They've gone ahead and done it, and god, I will
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: use this as a political moment. We'll use this to
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: benefit ourselves. Published all these photos prematurely, not thinking about
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: the potential consequences and the backlash that this could have caused.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: But they just pull you up on one thing. The women,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the Iranian women, fled the hotel into the security of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the ADF about four or five hours before Donald Trump
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: got on the blower. So this had been organized and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: sorted out before Donald Trump got involved. So I don't
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that it was only because
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Trump wanted it that it happened. I think they've done
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: it beforehand Trump then God.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying Trump brought it to the global attention.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Sure without Donald Trump.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But it had already been done.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm saying that Donald Trump brought it to
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: the global attention, and that's when Label was like, we
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: better do something publicly so it looks like we're doing
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: something out of it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: The photo you mean, no, no.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about offering these women asylum.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: I was already in train.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: But I don't think but I.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Don't think it was made public before that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it would happened after the fact.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But is this the point? Should it have been made
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: public at all? Was it only made no because of
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I think. It was only made public.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I think that labor was premature, is what I'm saying
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: in publishing those photos. Maybe didn't think about the potential
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: consequences should these women have indeed down the track changed
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: their minds, which indeed they have, because there's.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Now only two left in this country.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: And I've just got to say on that video that
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: they look miserable as hell, and I despair for those
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: women because we do not know their fate, we don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: know what the future holds for them. There were other
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: sport players out of Iran that actually came out today
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: and said there is every possibility that these women could
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: be killed, and that is heartbreaking. And I note that
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: the two women that do remain here in Australia actually
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: trained with the A League club Brisbane Raw this week,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: so they're trying to offer them something.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: The government deserves credit for organizing their asylum here. The
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: question just needs to be asked, did Tony Burke really
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: need to be front and center in the middle of it?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And I think the answer to that is no, he
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: didn't need to be.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And the reality probably is that the threats would have
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: been made to those women and their families in him,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: regardless of the photos.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just terrible.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Well, look, another day goes by and you've got to
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: ask yourself, what on earth is Zora and ma'm Dami
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: really doing as the mayor of New York. And it's
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: certainly not to serve the people, is it? Noways to
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: serve his own agenda that is anti Israel and pro Palestine,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: not only himself but also his wife. This is the
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: first lady of New York. Her name is Ramadaji. Now
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: her social media has been called into question of late,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: but now it's been revealed that as a teenager and
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: in her early twenties, she actually celebrated would you believe
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Palestinian terrorists?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, resurfers.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Social media post revealed that she used her old Tumbler
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: account to hail Palestinian plane hijacker Layla Khaled and other
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: members of the terror group Popular Front for the Liberation
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: of Palestine. Now here's one of those posts. This is
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: under the name Demash. She echoed one of Khaleed's most
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: famous statements, the quote says if it does good for
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: my cause, I'll be happy to accept death. And then
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: there was another one which will bring up on screen.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Now it says American soldiers fighting in imperialist wars are
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: not brave, nor are they fighting for anyone's freedom. They
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: are mercileslly slaughtering Third world civilians and fighting to maintain
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: American hegemonium. Would we say many hegemony? That is thank
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: you drops, Mike. So look, this is a disaster for
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: the ma'm darnis. You might recall that when her social
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: media posts were revealed a couple of weeks ago, where
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: she celebrated the October seven massacre, Zora ma'm damie said,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: oh no, she's not a public figure, so it doesn't matter.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: No, it does matter.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: She's appeared on front pages of magazines, She's got a
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: huge social media following. She is the first Lady of
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: New York. What on earth is his agenda? Seriously, because
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: they're not in.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: It for the people of New York.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: They seem to be holding serious anti Israel views.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Well, her views matter because it's true that she's not
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: an elected official, but she is married to the Mayor
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of New York. And while the Mayor of New York
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: is not responsible for his wife's social media posts, you
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: have to wonder whether he believes his wife's social media posts,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and so I think with the high Jewish population in
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: New York, not to mention the fact that she has
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: liked social media posts that brought into doubt testimonies of
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Israeli women who say they were raped by Hamas a
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: point that's been confirmed by the United Nations. For the
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: mayor to have a wife promoting these views is very
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: much in the public interest and deserves full scrutiny.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Indeed, just very quickly before we go, the Allen government
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in Victoria is now going to take away your right
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to question a development of up to six stories being
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: built in your neighborhood. So basically, if you have a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: six story of apartment building going up next door to you,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you will no longer have the right to object to it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: What sort of dictatorship you're living under in Victoria. These
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: things that are fundamental to the face of a suburb,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you're now going to lose the right to have anything
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to do with it. Why would you want to live
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in the place, Why would you want to own property
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in the place.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Just another reason to recommend Victoria. We're going to go
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to a break. When we come back, we'll look at
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: what's making news tomorrow, a massive storm bearing down on
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: residents in North Queensland and another storm bearing down on
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in South Australia.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: That's next.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot in tomorrow's papers, not least of
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: which Danika massive storm in the North of Australia.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite a big one coming.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Let's start with the Northern Territory news beast from the east.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Hundreds of people have been evacuated from a remote Territory
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: community as tropical Cyclone Narole reaches category five strength and
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: barrels towards the que Land coast. The monster storm is
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: expected to cross the Gulf of Carpentteria and restrengthen before
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: impacting the Northern Territory. And then same story on the
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: cans Post, but their headline is Storm of the Century.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: No living resident of the Cape will have ever experienced
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: a storm like Cyclone Narrel. The Premiere has warned Cape
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: York is bracing for destructive wind gusts of up to
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: three hundred kilometers an hour when the storm smashes the
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: coast today. So yes, really serious times up there. Do
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: obviously pay attention to any emergent and any and all
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: emergency services because it's quite frightening, historic one hundred year
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: storm they're calling this.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I was in council during cyclone Yasi. Oh really, but
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: people take it very seriously, as they should, and because
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: you know, you always get cyclones in North Queensland, so.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: People know what to do.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: They stock up with water, they take their windows, they
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: make sure they've got supply. Bunning's always sells out of
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: chainsaws and generators because you'll need a generated no doubt
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you'll lose electricity and chainsaws always come in handy after
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: the storm to get rid of debris. So we certainly
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: wish people well up there. It's not something I really
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: want to have to live through.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: For the benefit of the viewers. I know you've told
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: me stories before about watching Yazi blow through. What was
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff you saw when that happened.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it was about two o'clock in the morning, I remember,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: and my son was awaken that the noise is just
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: incredible and he really wanted to see the cyclone. So
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I remember we opened the front door and I held
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: on to him and we just leaned out the front
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: door and looked and there was like iron going down,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: corrugated iron going down the street, branches, all that kind
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of stuff. Fortunately, our area was pretty light off compared
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: to other places in towns were that lost roofs and
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: had houses destroyed.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: And they're saying this is going to be worse.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: So well, the sound is incredible, noise the man is incredible.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Of course, stay safe and stay tuned any updates we
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: will have for you here on Sky News. On the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, a couple of interesting
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: stories here to do with fuel, which is of course
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: on the lips of people right around the nation at
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the moment. It's a state wargames ration scheme in fuel
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: crisis panic stations. Exclusive on the front of the Telly,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a fuel rationing scheme is being actively wargamed by the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Men's government as unleaded petrol now just three dollars a liter,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: as dozens of fuel stations run completely dry of diesel.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: The days it's Daily Telegraph I should take and reveal
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Premier Chris Min's potential contingency plan could involve declearing an
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: emergency supply energy supply emergency, I should say, which would
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: then give the Energy Minister sweeping powers to control the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: flow of fuel, including forcing diesel to be sent to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: regional towns and cities. I mean, it's unfortunate that it's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: come to this point, but it kind of seems like
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing that can be done. Now. Generally,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not in favor of government interventions, but there are
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: times when governments have to intervene for the good of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the people.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: There's so many petrol stations that have now run out
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: of fuel in New South Wales, so I don't think
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: they had much of a choice. But again, I mean,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: we spoke about this. We've spoken about this every night,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Paul Planning from the very beginning. I mean, you didn't Charlotte,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: didn't have to come to this, do you know what
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Well, we just don't have the supply. I mean, they
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: keep saying we've we've got fuel. We might have fuel,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: but we don't have enough of it. Haven't you heard.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: It's not the government's fault. Your fault. You're filling up
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: too much.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: You've got to wait till it's empty and then some
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: and then only get a little bit.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Just go and look at those global rankings. We are
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: down the bottom. Another story on the front of the Telegraph,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this one about energy in the same sort of ballpark,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Hey elbow shop around exclusive from John Rolf. Tax Payers
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: are forking out far too much to keep Anthony Albanezi
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: in power, not in the job because the one hundreds
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: what am I saying, eleven hundred boffins in the Department
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: of Prime Minister and Cabinet have for years ignored offers
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to switch to cheaper energy deals at his mansions. Energy
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: bills for here a Billy House in Sydney and the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Lodge in Canberra have been obtained by The Daily Telegraph
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: under freedom of information laws.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, the rest of us is shopping around. Why
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: can't they just go to a cheaper deal? It doesn't
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: affect the supply of energy surely like it takes. If
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you go on the government's you know, energy saving website,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you can do all the comparisons. Takes you about five
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: minutes and you've switched your provided the cheaper one.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Well, remember Chris Bowen told us all to shop around.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: That was his big advice. Because prices kept going up
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: energy bills keep righting shop around, says Bowen. Gee, maybe
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: you might want to tell that, say that internally, oh
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: mate Bowen, pleasure can.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: You shop around when it's your money.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, you don't shop around when it's someone else's money.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: It's just driven a rental?
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: How silly? What am I?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: How?
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Dare I?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: How?
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: The front page of the Adelaide advertiser got three of
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: your favorite people in the front page.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: There, Hey bloody O.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: The Adelaide crows Melanascus government boosts borrowing to fund election
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: promises forever in your debt reads the headline Labor elections
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: spending would add almost seven hundred and fifty million dollars
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to ballooning state debt, which is approaching fifty billion dollars.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Costings revealed on Thursday show taxpayers face an annual interest
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: bill of close to two point five billion dollars or
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: six point seven million a day. With war in the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Middle East and rising interest rates to increase the bill.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Both sides release their costings labors, pledge pledges totaled. What
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: is that two point one nine billion dollars with an
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: increase of seven point four nine million to state debt.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Seven hundred and forty nine million.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry having trouble reading that A slightly different number wearing
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: glasses and still can't read it. The liberals pledged three
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: point four billion dollars in spending.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Are we really believing that an electorate would vote for
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: spending cuts.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think the.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Problem now is so like it doesn't really matter. Well,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: it matters at the end be if someone has to
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: pay for it, but electorally, I don't think it matters
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: anymore if you're a big spinding government, because people seem
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to have lost the appetite to talk about debt. They
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: honestly don't care until it starts hitting them in terms
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of big taxes like Victoria is going through. People don't
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: really seem to care about debt. And by the way,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you said three of my favorite people, because of course
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you've got Keys and phil Thorpe and Raschelly there in
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the top corner, as.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Well as rank and ranking.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: So we've got four of my favorite people on the
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: front of the paper.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: The mine for you, Caleber.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I know Isaac Rankin's back in it our good.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: What about the Port Adelaide coach he's not one of
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: your favorite people.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Well he is after last week's performance because they got
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: absolutely thrashed by your mob. So I'm pretty.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Happy with that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Let's take a look at the os Let's stick with
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: the South Australian election.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Now One Nation is set to destroy the.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Liberal Party and Labor will coast to victory in a
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: seismic South Australian election that will highlight the national threat
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: to the major parties from the rise of grievance politics.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: In the final days of the election campaign, Pauline Hanson's
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: party has defied predictions that its support could collapse to
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: retain a lead over the South Australian Liberals, splitting the
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Conservative vote to guarantee Peter malanowskis a second term.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: And have a look at that quote there from David Empathy.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: The South Australian Liberals turned to Ashton Hern to save
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: the furniture and found Pauline Hanson sleeping on the couch.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: All that line.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Ripper of a line.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: But I mean that news poll broadly in line from
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: what we've been seeing out of South Australia. And just
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: quickly at the top there, Cole King flies high after
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: peak esg Cole Barn. Matt Lattimore has a message for
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: the naysayers who believe the glory days for his industry
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: are over.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I think it is definitely a.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Case that peak ESG has passed and there's more realization
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: and pragmatism around, and we're not quite in the sunset industry.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: People thought it was five years ago.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: There you go, fantastic. I'm a bit distracted because I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: was watching you and if it's if I can, I'll
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: have to do it side on so the viewers can see.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: But she's kind of doing it, and she's doing this,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: she's going what this though? I was past the content
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: because I was watching.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Well, the sad part is is that James Ware's glasses.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: He can't read the front pages. I wear contacts. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: can't read the papers either. So that's where we're.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: At all right, Well, we are just our eyes when
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you go to a break. When we come back, travelers
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: at Hobart Airport looking for a gift got a big surprise,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: especially in the soft toy shelf. It's very cute. We'll
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: show you this after the break. Welcome back to the program.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I want to introduce you to a young single woman
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: struggling to make a living living in a flat in Hollywood,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and she really needed a rug, but she just couldn't
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: afford one. Anyway, She's pondering this dilemma as she's watching
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the Oscars, and then it occurs to her, I wonder
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: what happens to the red carpet after the Oscars is
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: done and dusted. So the morning after the awards ceremony,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: she wandered down to the Dolby Theater, had to look
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: around and found the Oscars red carpet in a skip
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: bin at the back.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: As he's really listening and I am still bigger about
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: so let's see if you give me some of the
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: red carpets and I can just claim up here and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: get something.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: You're joking, just.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: The Oscar's red carpet. Can you believe that? I love that?
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I actually think that's absolutely that is a real keepsake.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: In my view, I would keep but I think it's
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: a Momentu's momentous, and.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: All these Hollywood types who talk about the environment and sustainability.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: The red carpet goes straight in the bin an hour
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: later after it's bloody.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Shed load of this stuff too. I mean, if you're
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: looking to recarpet your own, there's a whole bunch of
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: free gear down there, go and take it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Wonder if there's any ice out pins though hanging around,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: and any free Palestine pins left over from the elite
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: on the car.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: You know they keep them for the next year.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they keep and they renew them like oh yeah, Budam.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: That's great. I'd get a piece if I could, if
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I would too.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's absolutely fantastic.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Well, it's every girl's dream, isn't it, to say yes
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: to the dress, your wedding dress. But what happens when
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: the wedding dress goes missing? Well that's what's happened to
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: a woman on the Gold Coast. She's accusing a dry
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: clean up there of giving away her bride's dress, which
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: was gifted by her late mother to a charity saw
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: that then went on to sell it for eighty dollars.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Peggy Warrel said that she was stonewalled for months regarding
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: the whereabouts of the dress, finding out only last week
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: that it and the veil had been given away. It's
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: actually sad, she says. It was my mum's gift to me,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: and my mum died three years ago from cancer.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: The dry cleaning shop manager.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Adam Gregory says, we have a large turnover here, but
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I remember that dress because we spent so much time
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: wondering how to price it. We obviously couldn't put thousands
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: on the price tag, so we price it high for
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: our shop comparative to what she paid for it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: It's sold in the last couple of months and we have.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: No records on who board it. We're posting on our
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: socials hoping we can regunize them. We're trying to do
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: whatever we can to help her get the word out.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't you be absolutely devastated? Seriously, that's just terrible that
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: poor woman. I mean again, it's your dream dress and
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: it's missing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Terribly sad. Maybe she could cheer herself up by going
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to buy stuffed possum man, as someone tried to do
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: at Hobart Airport. I heard it might have been the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: former Prince Andrew because because he likes his teddies and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: discovered that the possum was not in fact stuffed, it
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: was real. Yet that is in the tourist shop at
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Hobart Airport.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: The possum.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: It's managed to get in there and not only just
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: wander around snuggle in like it's one of the toys.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Well well, I wonder if Andrew and Epstein have not
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: only shared a toy possum, but a real possum.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: What on earth are you talking?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, apparently it caused mayhem when it went running through
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the terminal.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: They eventually caught bloody hell.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm sure it had a nice time in the year,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I thought.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Mates.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Alright, that's all we've got time for. Have a wonderful weekend.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Coming up right now is a special edition of news Night,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Good Night
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: M HM.