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249: Wirgins and Wampires · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Adam Green, the director of Hatchet, and you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening.
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  Speaker 3: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 3: Picture Association of America.
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  Speaker 4: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 3: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 3: There are worse things than chastity, Mr. Shannon.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, lunacy and death. Boys and girls of every age,
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't you like to see something strange?
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  Speaker 2: Come with us and you will see, this our town
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  Speaker 2: of Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: This is Halloween, this is Halloween, won't you stay with
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  Speaker 1: the dead all night?
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  Speaker 2: This is Halloween, everybody be safe, don't cheat on the game,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna die right. This our town of Halloween.
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  Speaker 5: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian,
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  Speaker 5: and we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 5: from the Alley Theater. Sterling's here with me.
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  Speaker 1: Greetings.
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  Speaker 5: We are here for Meltdown Macabre. Listen to the crowd roar.
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  Speaker 6: Look at you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to the roar. There's some rabble-rousing in there, too,
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  Speaker 1: I sense. Anyways, yeah, so we are a dedicated little
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  Speaker 1: group of movie watchers who are going to get together
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  Speaker 1: and watch one perhaps awesome movie with Allison Scagliotti.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, hi. Hi.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Again, someone else here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I know. And we're going to watch one potentially
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  Speaker 1: awesome movie with Allison Scagliotti of Warehouse 13 fame. Copyright.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're going to watch one decidedly... Well, it
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  Speaker 1: may inspire awe, but it won't be because of its awesomeness.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Mama Dracula, and we will be commenting on
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  Speaker 1: both of those in time.
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  Speaker 5: The odd thing is I... I didn't piece together exactly
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  Speaker 5: what a good double feature it becomes. Once you watch
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  Speaker 5: both of them, you're like, oh, it does have a
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  Speaker 5: lot of weird ties that I did not expect.
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  Speaker 4: Excellent.
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  Speaker 5: On opposite ends of the spectrum, mind you.
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  Speaker 1: They dovetail you, mind you.
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  Speaker 5: No offense to you at Chastity Bites. So with that,
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  Speaker 5: I did want to say a big thanks to Lottie
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  Speaker 5: and John Knowles, who actually are responsible for Chastity Bites.
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  Speaker 5: And I have been working with them for probably about
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  Speaker 5: a year or so now, trying to put together something.
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  Speaker 5: I saw this early on online and was a big
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  Speaker 5: fan of Allison. And because of that, just kind of
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  Speaker 5: started talking to him and like, you know, being the
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  Speaker 5: geek I am. I was like, this sounds cool. Is
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  Speaker 5: there a trailer? And they're like, no, we haven't made
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  Speaker 5: one yet. So calm down. But I stuck with it.
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  Speaker 5: And as they finished the project, I mean, they've actually
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  Speaker 5: been in post-production and trying to get it out there
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  Speaker 5: through a lot of different film fests and going through
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  Speaker 5: the horrible rigmarole probably is to get your film distributed
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  Speaker 5: these days so um my my condolences on that for
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  Speaker 5: them but uh i did want to say thank you
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  Speaker 5: for working with us and they put together a good
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  Speaker 5: movie so i'm kind of glad we could help them
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  Speaker 5: out and uh put together our showing here tonight so
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  Speaker 5: i think with that we should roll into chastity bite
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  Speaker 5: let's make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to deceive you. Though I just might
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  Speaker 2: believe you.
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  Speaker 7: I will walk beside you. When you say to ride you.
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  Speaker 7: I don't need a saviour. You're my very hand killer.
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  Speaker 2: I am my own motion. I think not for what
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  Speaker 2: I've become, have to go, while I still know how
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  Speaker 2: to be to be free from the fire.
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  Speaker 3: Popcorn freshly popped and buttered. Look good? Sure it looks
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  Speaker 3: good and it tastes even better. Get some now.
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  Speaker 8: There have been copies. There have been imitators. But no one,
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  Speaker 8: no thing can take the place of Dracula. And now
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  Speaker 8: he's back, terrorizing today's cities in his frenzied lust for young,
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  Speaker 8: Red blood. Dracula, A.D. 1972. Then, watch an unsuspecting girl
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  Speaker 8: become a pawn of death in a game of murder
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  Speaker 8: and madness in Crescendo. For lovers of the occult, Christopher
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  Speaker 8: Lee and Peter Cushing star in Dracula, A.D.
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  Speaker 2: 1972.
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  Speaker 8: For lovers of the macabre, James Olsen and Stephanie Power
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  Speaker 8: star in Crescendo. Both from Warner Brothers, rated PG. Parental
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  Speaker 8: guidance suggested.
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  Speaker 2: Take a look at me now. Standing tall, standing proud.
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  Speaker 7: You don't need to escape it. Though it's hard to
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  Speaker 7: shake it.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to snake you. But I cannot drag you.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need to break the bone. Don't do as
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  Speaker 2: you please.
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  Speaker 5: Well, speaking of Lottie and John, we have them right.
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  Speaker 9: Here with us.
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  Speaker 5: Say hello, guys.
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  Speaker 10: Hello.
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  Speaker 9: Hello.
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  Speaker 5: So you two are responsible for the main feature of
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  Speaker 5: our Meltdown Macabre Festival this year, the movie Chastity Bites.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks for showing us.
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  Speaker 5: No, no problem. I was glad to have you guys there. Lottie,
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  Speaker 5: you are the writer and producer of the film. John,
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  Speaker 5: you're the director. And I was telling the crowd and
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  Speaker 5: the listeners how long I've been interested in the film
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  Speaker 5: and I'd been bugging you guys about setting up a showing.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm pretty sure for you, it's been a much
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  Speaker 5: longer process. So I guess give everybody a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of history as to how Chastity Bites came about and
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  Speaker 5: how it all started for you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I wrote the first draft of the script nine
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  Speaker 10: years ago, so it's definitely been a very long journey.
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  Speaker 10: John had challenged me about a year after we got
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  Speaker 10: to L.A., and I hadn't really written anything yet, to
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  Speaker 10: come up with a script in time for a deadline
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  Speaker 10: for a horror screenplay contest. And I was just sort
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  Speaker 10: of thinking about, you know, I'm a lifelong horror nerd,
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  Speaker 10: and I've always wanted to make my own horror movie.
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  Speaker 10: And I just kind of started thinking about what some
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  Speaker 10: of my particular obsessions were. And I've always had liked
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  Speaker 10: the legend of Countess Elizabeth Bathory because it's just such
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  Speaker 10: a bloody, you know, morbid tale of this female serial
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  Speaker 10: killer from Eastern Europe in the 1600s. And she and
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  Speaker 10: Vlad the Impaler were so inspirational to so many of
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  Speaker 10: the vampire stories that came along. And somehow also sort
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  Speaker 10: of in my depressed haze of the George W. Bush administration...
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  Speaker 10: thinking about abstinence education, the idea just kind of coalesced
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  Speaker 10: of Elizabeth Bathory still alive, still needs virgin blood, and
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  Speaker 10: how does she get it? Well, she sets up abstinence
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  Speaker 10: education programs around red state America and, you know, finds
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  Speaker 10: her crop of Botox that way.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I guess I was going to ask you, Latia,
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  Speaker 5: as far as in the writing, how strong do you
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  Speaker 5: feel your, like, I guess artistic and personal influences are
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  Speaker 5: as they come through in your writing is it is
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  Speaker 5: it i mean to me some of it comes through
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  Speaker 5: pretty simply but uh yeah how much is it something
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  Speaker 5: that you that you work in purposefully.
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  Speaker 10: Uh yeah let's just say that if you boil lottie
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  Speaker 10: down and infuse the screenplay with the essence of lottie
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  Speaker 10: There'll never be another movie that's more me than this one.
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  Speaker 10: It's just really me. I mean, it's got all of
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  Speaker 10: my horror obsessions in it. It's got a lot of
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  Speaker 10: my political and feminist, you know, obsessions or leanings in there.
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  Speaker 10: My sense of humor that can range from, you know,
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  Speaker 10: kind of highbrow to very silly and campy. And yeah,
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  Speaker 10: so I think this movie, God bless John for helping me.
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  Speaker 10: And I mean, it's him too. It's very much him
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  Speaker 10: as well. But it's definitely, you know, there'll never be
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  Speaker 10: a movie, I don't think, more me than this one,
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  Speaker 10: even if hopefully we're lucky to make more in the future.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 11: If you want to if you want a window into
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  Speaker 11: lovey's mind it's pretty much it's this movie you're like
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  Speaker 11: you're like you're you're looking right in there so so
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  Speaker 11: true i think.
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  Speaker 5: It's relatively balanced with all of that stuff um I
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  Speaker 5: was going to say, I mean, there definitely is a
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  Speaker 5: very strong feminist vein running through it, and the feminist
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  Speaker 5: ideals are strong throughout the movie. Was there ever a
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  Speaker 5: point where you felt like you had to sort of
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  Speaker 5: even it out a little, or you need to back
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  Speaker 5: off and focus more on just the action or the
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  Speaker 5: horror or something else that not let that overshadow what
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  Speaker 5: was going on in the story itself?
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  Speaker 10: Well, you know, that's an interesting question. I think that
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  Speaker 10: you know, I wanted it to be well-balanced, and luckily
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  Speaker 10: I have found that a lot of guys have responded
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  Speaker 10: to the movie, too. A lot of fanboys, especially, have
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  Speaker 10: really liked the combo because, you know, the combination, it
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  Speaker 10: is a strange animal, and it has been actually a
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  Speaker 10: tough sell from the beginning when we were trying to
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  Speaker 10: find originally other people to produce it than when we
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  Speaker 10: wanted to make it ourselves to finance it. And now,
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  Speaker 10: you know, we're very lucky we have distribution because, The
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  Speaker 10: hybrid of all these ideas has made a lot of
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  Speaker 10: people not really want to touch it, where they're like,
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  Speaker 10: how in the hell do we market this? But I
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  Speaker 10: just was on a mission with this, and I feel
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  Speaker 10: very strongly that there's just not enough representation of strong
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  Speaker 10: female characters and of kind of flipping the traditional gender
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  Speaker 10: roles on their ear. So I did really go for
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  Speaker 10: it this time, and I know not everybody's going to
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  Speaker 10: like it, but no matter what you do, that's the case.
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  Speaker 10: So I felt like, you know what, I'm going to
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  Speaker 10: go balls out, as it were, feminist. And, you know,
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  Speaker 10: there'll be people out there who are hungry for that,
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  Speaker 10: and that's, you know, that's the credit. And then there's
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  Speaker 10: other people who'll just appreciate it on the other levels
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  Speaker 10: of horror comedy.
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  Speaker 11: We've already had great response, though, from girls, young women
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  Speaker 11: who have come up to us after screenings at various
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  Speaker 11: festivals and just said, thank you. Thank you for making
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  Speaker 11: something that makes me feel good about how I feel
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  Speaker 11: as a woman, as a young girl, with my sexuality,
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  Speaker 11: with my attitude towards feminism and everything. And so I
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  Speaker 11: think that kind of hit the target. you know, with
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  Speaker 11: that segment of people who are just very, very hungry
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  Speaker 11: to see these kinds of characters up on the screen.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and just a movie that really focuses on women, and,
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  Speaker 10: you know, of course we have some guys in there,
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  Speaker 10: we have one great guy, but he doesn't get to
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  Speaker 10: be the hero, you know, and ultimately the most important
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  Speaker 10: relationship isn't even the guy and the girl, it's the
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  Speaker 10: two girls and their strong friendship, and, you know, that's
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  Speaker 10: really important for a lot of women, it's their girlfriends,
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  Speaker 10: and I wanted to celebrate that too, so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is an underrepresented area there. There's still as
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  Speaker 5: many strong female actresses as we have out there. We
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  Speaker 5: still have very few strong female roles that are being
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  Speaker 5: offered to them. So it is something that needs to
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  Speaker 5: happen more often. And I do like the balance. And
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  Speaker 5: I do like the balance that there is a guy
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  Speaker 5: there and that even if he doesn't get to be
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  Speaker 5: the hero, in a way, he is in his own
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  Speaker 5: way just because he's there for her and he's there
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  Speaker 5: to help her. regardless of her being a woman he's
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  Speaker 5: just there because he cares about her you know.
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  Speaker 10: So absolutely and he aids in her character arc because
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  Speaker 10: you know our heroine is really strong and we wanted
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  Speaker 10: to celebrate that but we also you know wanted her
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  Speaker 10: to have an arc where she gets to show more
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  Speaker 10: vulnerability as well so I totally agree I think he's
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  Speaker 10: a very very important character and um straight girls who've
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  Speaker 10: seen the movie and gay guys who've seen the movie
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  Speaker 10: have really liked him just because he's super cute, too. And,
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  Speaker 10: you know, he's kind of like the perfect boyfriend, at
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  Speaker 10: least for our lead character. So, yeah, I think I'm
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  Speaker 10: glad that you found that, too, that it wasn't totally one-sided.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's important and that's, I think,
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  Speaker 5: something that sort of gets overlooked in a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the feminist ideas that are put out there is that
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  Speaker 5: it it always seems kind of sad because the very
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  Speaker 5: hardcore feminist idea also usually means you're alone, which I
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  Speaker 5: like the balance that you had that just because she
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  Speaker 5: is a strong female doesn't mean she has to be
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  Speaker 5: by herself all the time. You know, she can have
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  Speaker 5: a relationship of whatever, you know, be it, be it
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  Speaker 5: that she has friends or that she has a guy
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  Speaker 5: or girl or whoever, you know, it does kind of
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  Speaker 5: give a decent balance there.
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  Speaker 11: And that touches on a good point that we've been
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  Speaker 11: talking about lately, where that's one of the things that
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  Speaker 11: she has to overcome, her character has to overcome throughout
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  Speaker 11: the movie, is coming to terms with her relationships with
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  Speaker 11: other people. Which, at the beginning of the movie, she's
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  Speaker 11: very closed off. She has one really good friend, but
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  Speaker 11: for the most part, she kind of keeps the world
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  Speaker 11: at arm's length. And I think she feels like she
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  Speaker 11: needs to do that, versus being open... to having more
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  Speaker 11: relationships and it's something as simple as like you know
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  Speaker 11: why does she not need her glasses anymore after she
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  Speaker 11: has sex you know that came up at a film
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  Speaker 11: festival and we were talking about it last night and
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  Speaker 11: it's like you know she probably didn't need them in
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  Speaker 11: the first place spoiler alert but you know it's this
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  Speaker 11: thing of you know she doesn't need the glasses but
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  Speaker 11: she wears them anyway because it gives her a certain
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  Speaker 11: look it kind of neuters her sexuality in a way
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  Speaker 11: and so she doesn't want to be noticed she just
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  Speaker 11: wants to kind of do her own thing and there's
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  Speaker 11: nothing wrong you know by the end of the movie
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  Speaker 11: is something nothing wrong with kind of coming to terms
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  Speaker 11: with your sexuality and the way you put yourself out
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  Speaker 11: there and kind of it's all these layers of armor
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  Speaker 11: that she realizes she can shed and still be a
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  Speaker 11: strong person you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah definitely well we've gone into more of the writing
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  Speaker 5: in john from your end of it i mean do
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  Speaker 5: you approach i guess all projects but specifically this one
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  Speaker 5: with like a specific vision of how you wanted to
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  Speaker 5: shoot specific scenes or the overall kind of feel of it.
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  Speaker 5: And then since she wrote it, do you then sort
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  Speaker 5: of check in with Lottie and see if that sort
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  Speaker 5: of matches what she originally had in her concept of?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah. Well, we have a very good working relationship
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  Speaker 11: together in that we support each other, we compliment each other,
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  Speaker 11: we give each other notes, but we also... we don't
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  Speaker 11: stick our noses too far into each other's business in
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  Speaker 11: terms of being a writer and director. I gave notes
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  Speaker 11: on the script, for example, but I wasn't pushing, like,
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  Speaker 11: you have to change this, you have to do that,
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  Speaker 11: it has to be this thing. And it was the
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  Speaker 11: same thing with Lottie and my directing. For a good
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  Speaker 11: chunk of the production, she kind of just let me
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  Speaker 11: do my thing. We obviously talked about the movie every day.
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  Speaker 11: We talked about it a lot in pre-production. I knew
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  Speaker 11: what her vision was, and.
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  Speaker 11: I put my spin on that, and that's what we
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  Speaker 11: went with. And there were only certain key scenes where
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  Speaker 11: she was there. We collaborated a little more closely on those,
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  Speaker 11: but for the most part, she let me run with it,
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  Speaker 11: which is great. And I still think, and I think
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  Speaker 11: hopefully you'll say this, honey, is that it came out
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  Speaker 11: very close to what you initially envisioned.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 10: I trusted you as the director, and, you know, it's
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  Speaker 10: good for the movie and good for the marriage, since
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  Speaker 10: we have, like, the dual relationship happening. You know, to let,
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  Speaker 10: you know, once you know you've found that right director
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  Speaker 10: and the director understands what your intention is, you know,
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  Speaker 10: to have that trust to just let that person do
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  Speaker 10: his job, regardless of the personal relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 10: And, you know, if something was going horribly askew, then
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  Speaker 10: I would have said, oh, wait a minute, but, you know,
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  Speaker 10: .
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  Speaker 11: .
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  Speaker 10: .
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  Speaker 11: and how to balance the tone. Horror
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  Speaker 11: comedies are really, really hard. It's a difficult hybrid to
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  Speaker 11: pull off. You don't want the comedy to overshadow the horror.
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  Speaker 11: You still want it to be a little scary in places,
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  Speaker 11: and at the same time, you don't want the horror
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  Speaker 11: to completely overwhelm the funny bits. You don't want it
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  Speaker 11: to be too gory or too sad. So that was
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  Speaker 11: what I worked really hard to try and balance that
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  Speaker 11: out throughout the picture and have the little throwbacks to.
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  Speaker 11: old horror movies and things that we love. Things like,
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  Speaker 11: you know, whenever the lightning would flash through the window
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  Speaker 11: and things like that, which kind of remind me of
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  Speaker 11: an old classic horror movie. And another thing was the
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  Speaker 11: building of a sense of dread. You know, we have
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  Speaker 11: this bright, sunny, kind of obnoxious high school setting at
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  Speaker 11: the beginning that's a little reminiscent of something like Mean Girls. And,
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  Speaker 11: you know, and it's in the southwest town. There's always
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  Speaker 11: constant sunshine.
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  Speaker 3: It's hot.
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  Speaker 11: It's dry. And the minute this weird, strange woman comes
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  Speaker 11: to town, it starts getting cooler. and darker, and a
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  Speaker 11: little cloudier, and the weather shifts completely until by the
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  Speaker 11: end of the movie, like, there's this big storm brewing,
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  Speaker 11: and it's cold, and it just kind of, that was
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  Speaker 11: something we worked really hard on, you know, and it
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  Speaker 11: was how to pace the movie out so those things
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  Speaker 11: were happening, and we actually did a lot with the
• 19:22
  Speaker 11: color correction, where we basically took the saturation of the
• 19:25
  Speaker 11: film and just slowly decreased it over time, and we
• 19:27
  Speaker 11: also made a point to keep the color red, out
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: of the film for as long as possible, because that's
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: obviously tied in with the blood, and we wanted all
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: that to happen kind of in the finale. I don't
• 19:38
  Speaker 11: want to spoil anything, but you see a lot of
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: red by the end of the movie, but not so
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: much in the beginning. That way, when it does show
• 19:43
  Speaker 11: up and it does happen, it really pops.
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: It really vibrates on screen.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: Very cool.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Very cool well you were talking balance within the movie
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: itself i did want to ask as as you mentioned
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: you two are married uh how how is that balance
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: i was gonna say you know between work and home
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: life but then With, I mean, knowing the way most
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: people work in their own little artistic industry, you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: you don't have much of a home life, do you?
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Do you feel like you even have a home life
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: when you're working so much on these projects?
• 20:12
  Speaker 10: Well, sure we do. You know, and hey, obviously, hey,
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: we're still married, so obviously nothing, you know, nothing went
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: horribly with you. But, you know, but we do. I mean,
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: the only time we didn't was when we were, like,
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: in heavy pre-production and when we were shooting. And then,
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: especially when we were shooting, we were like two ships
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: passing in the night a lot of the time because
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: he would go into set very early and start setting
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: up shots with the crew and cinematographer. And as the producer,
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: you know, at that point they would occasionally call on
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: me as a writer to explain something, you know, if
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: one of the actors had a question. But usually at
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: that point I was just kind of overseeing and sprinkling
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: fairy dust around the set or handling crises as they
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: came up in the producer role. So, you know, that
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: was the only time I would say it was like, oh,
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: my God, we haven't seen each other. And it's funny, too,
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: because we wrapped most of the shoot, like, the day
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: before Christmas Eve. And so Christmas 2011, like, didn't even exist. Like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: we literally were asleep for the entire, I think we
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: woke up for, like, two hours to eat, carry out
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: Chinese food, and then go back to sleep. But, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: that's kind of the sacrifice you make. And a lot
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: of people out there with different careers, you know, they
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: have other sacrifices they have to make. And in some
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: ways we're really lucky because, you know, collaborating on a
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: project like this, we get to spend a lot of
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: time together. And, you know, when we have other projects
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: that we work on separately at other times, So, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: you just find a balance if you want it to
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: be healthy. And this has been so much fun working
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: on it together because we're both just so geeky about it. And,
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: you know, and again, it sort of fulfills a lot
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: of stuff in the movie itself that we're already geeky about, too.
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: You know, when you love what you're doing, it doesn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: feel like work.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: So that helped a lot. I mean, every day on set,
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: despite the stress, there was still this feeling of like, wow,
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: we are making a movie. This is really cool. And so,
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: and then we would just have those magical days, like
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: when Stuart Gordon had a cameo. And we were both like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: we can't believe this guy's here. We can't believe he's
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: in our movie. And I'm getting, you know, I was
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: getting to direct this famous director. It was kind of,
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: it was surreal, you know. And those are the days
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: you really, you live for. They're really fun.
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: Oh, I'll admit it. I totally cried when he left
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: us that day, because I was so happy. It's like, because,
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: you know, I'd grown up watching... I mean, so many
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: different things, but, like, Re-Animator was one of my all-time
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: favorites in high school and from beyond. And then to
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: have him there, like, yeah, it was magical. So, yeah,
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's the thing, too. When you're shooting, it's, like,
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: the most terrifying time and the most happy, exhilarating time,
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: you know, simultaneously because, you know, we're working on such
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: a tight budget, tight schedule. And there's constantly this feeling
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: of the movie circling the drain, like you can't have
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: anything too big go wrong or the whole thing is
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: going to implode. But at the same time, like John said,
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: it's so thrilling when your whole life you've wanted to
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: do this and you're coming to a set with trailers
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: and all this stuff that you didn't even think you
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: could afford. But we had such an amazing crew that
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: helped make it happen. I mean, really, we were very,
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: very blessed overall.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Well, I did notice Stuart in there. Was that just
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: something you guys sort of reach out to him and
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: offer that, or did you know someone?
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, through a friend, through a friend who knew him.
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: You know, we wanted a couple of classic horror movie
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: cameos in the movie, just so we could give, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: that really concrete nod to the movies we love and enjoy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: And so he was very sweet about that. And actually,
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: one of the same friends is also friendly with PJ
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: Souls from Halloween and Carrie and so many other movies.
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: And she has a really, really brief voiceover cameo as Leah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: the heroine's mother, when she's talking to her on the phone.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: So that was another amazing day. Like, well into post-production,
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: we just went. Her boyfriend is a musician. and sound engineer,
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: and they've got a recording studio. So we just went
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: to the recording studio and hung out with her and
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: laid down her voice over track and took a photo. And, oh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: my God, I love PJ.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to second that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: We had her on for a segment, and she's possibly
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: the nicest woman ever. She's amazing.
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: Oh, she's so sweet.
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: And you know what? Just a side note. So she
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: has written a couple songs for this band that her
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: boyfriend and her I guess it's her daughter's boyfriend or fiance.
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: But anyway, it's a band that they have. And she's
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: an amazing songwriter, just random side note. But yeah, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: she is a super, super sweetheart. And we were really,
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: really lucky to have her and Stuart, you know, to
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: give us that. that little bit of geek, you know, cred, like, hey,
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: you know, we got those guys in here. Totally.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Well, and Allison, too. How did she get involved? Because
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: she's definitely got a geek following these days.
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's huge. You know, I knew
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: of her from Warehouse 13. You know, a lot of
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: you started watching Warehouse 13. Somebody mentioned her in relation
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: to the script, and we actually had a mutual friend
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: at the Sci-Fi Channel who was able to get the
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: script directly to Allison's. And we heard that she loved it,
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: and she wanted to meet with us. And that all
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: happened a couple years before we actually shot the movie,
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: I think.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and her executive producer credit as well on the movie,
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: because she was really with us and stuck with us
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: while we were raising the money. And it took a while,
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: and I kept... praying, like, oh, please don't let her
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: lose interest. But luckily, you know, there wasn't a lot
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: of communication. It was just sort of like, okay, we're
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: still working on it. You know, we'd update her until
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: we finally were ready to go. And then she was
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: still on board, luckily, because when I saw her on
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: Warehouse 13, I just was like, wow, this is exactly
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: who I want for this character. you know, like for
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: John and me, we were like love at first sight,
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: you know, in terms of that filmmaker thing when you
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: just know that person is right for your character.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: You're like, that is Leah. You're just watching her going,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: that is what I've been writing, and she didn't even
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: know it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, of course, my subsequent rewrites, then I
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: was having the Allison voice in my head. you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: to make it even more right for her. But she
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: was pretty much, you know, even with what I had,
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: you know, ready to go in terms of, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: what I'd hoped for in terms of that kind of actor.
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and she is, but she is a very strong,
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: I think, role model for a lot of people, especially
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: young girls. You know, she has a great Twitter following.
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: She has people who really, you know, she's a huge
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: hit every year. She's at Comic-Con when she's, like, on
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: a warehouse panel and stuff. And so we felt really
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: lucky to have someone like that really, you know, want
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: to be in the film and champion the film for us.
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: And also, you know, I think actors really respond to
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: material work, give them a chance to stretch, and they're
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: not playing the same old thing. You know, Leah is
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: not like Claudia, her character on Warehouse 13. There are
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: some similarities, but she's still playing a very different person.
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: It was the same thing with Francie Reza, who played
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: her best friend, Catherine. You know, because on her show,
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: she's kind of a snotty, popular girl.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: When she came into audition, she's like, I am so
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: ready to do something completely different from that. And her
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: role as Catherine was so 180. She did it on television,
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: especially with the zits and the dowdy clothes and the
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: whole thing like that. It's not her at all. And
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: she really, really wanted to kind of take the leap
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: and stretch and do this role. And we really responded
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: to it. It was a great audition, and we had
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: a lot of fun working with her as well.
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the whole cast we actually love. Like, we just
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: feel completely blasted. by all of them, you know, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: everybody except Allison just came into auditions and blew us away,
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: you know, and that, God, that just makes your job
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: so much easier when you don't have money for a
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: lot of rehearsals, you know, you don't have a lot
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: of time to do multiple takes. You have to find
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: those people who really can deliver that role, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: right when, you know, you get on set and, boy,
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: I just feel like we lucked out with everybody.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Definitely. So Louise Griffiths just sort of came.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: In on her own?
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: Oh my god, yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: That's such perfect casting. She just owns that role.
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: She really does.
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: We love her so much. And we were like, well,
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: she's great, but is she too nice? But John just
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: said to her at the table read, you know, just
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: really embrace that inner bitch. And boy, she just enjoyed it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: I mean, who wouldn't?
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: Playing somebody... That evil, but God, yeah, she's another one
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: where we just feel phenomenally lucky because I can't imagine
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: anybody else in that role now.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: Yeah, she's really, she really embodied it, and she was
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: like the perfect combination of, you know, the right age
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: where she has the gravitas of someone who is much,
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: much older than she appears to be, and yet she's
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: young enough that her skin and her looks are very...
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: very healthy as you would expect with someone who was
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: bathing in virgin blood.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Like it happens. Yeah, exactly.
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: That's you do.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: As you do.
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: And it was just perfect. And the fact that she's English,
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: so she had an accent already, that was already great.
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: That gives her a whole different.
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: Elegance.
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: Elegance to it, yeah. Elegance, yeah. That was really, really fun.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: I'm thankful you went with the elegant European version versus
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: the other movie we'll get to later. At least yours
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: doesn't constantly refer to virgins.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: And.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: That's in our other feature where there's just horrible accents
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: the old times.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Thankfully, you guys held off on that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, again, when you talk about balance, I mean,
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: when you want to make a little bit of campy, but,
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: you know, you don't want it to go so far
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: that it's unbelievable. You know, I mean, we did want
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: to make a movie that, while being fun, people could...
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: you know, commit to believing in that world we created
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: without constantly being taken out of it by us winking
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: at them. That's, you know, another thing that was really
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: important that we didn't want to go, you know, completely
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: over the top. Although there's a couple moments that do,
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: but I hope, hopefully they're just those moments that, you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: make it fun for people rather than taking them completely
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: out of the story.
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we don't want anyone to kind of wink and
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: nod at the audience and kind of break the wall
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: and be like, hey.
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: Isn't this a fun, cheesy.
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: Thing we're making? We wanted to play it pretty serious.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where comedy goes wrong so often is being
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: too cutesy about it and being too self-aware of what
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: they're doing. Yeah, you almost need to play it straight
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: for it to work to some extent.
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, in terms of accents,
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: it's funny you mention that because we have a lot
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: of people in the movie... doing accents that aren't their
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: natural speaking accents, and they came out great. You know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: one of the popular mean girls, Kelly, who's the one
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: blonde who has the same boyfriend, I won't spoil it,
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: she's actually English as well.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: And she has a flawless American accent. And the girl
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: who is Liz's servant, Alona, who is kind of our
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: little nod to that kind of, you know, Romanian pick
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: accent or whatever, she's... that's her heritage, but she speaks normally.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: And in the audition, she came in and just started
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: speaking in that accent. We actually thought like she was
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: fresh off the boat from like... Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: But her parents are Romanian, so she just talked, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: had like an hour-long conversation with them before to get
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: that accent really in her head. You know, but then
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: she came in and did, yeah, even when she was
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: talking to us out of character, she was using the accent,
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: so we just thought, oh, okay, well, she's actually... She's
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: actually foreign, but nope. So, yeah, it was kind of cool.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: What I did want to ask is, and usually if
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I'm talking to somebody who's sort of created their own
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: project and is working in, especially with the independent film
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: industry as it is today, what your take has been
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: on finishing the film and then how do you get
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: it out there and what do you do as far
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: as the marketing and distributing and the back half, which
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: becomes probably way more work than the shooting was.
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah, sure.
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: In some degree, yeah, to some extent it has been.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know, how has that been?
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: The process, I guess, is a little different for each filmmaker.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: So how has that been for you guys?
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: Well, I think, you know, the post-process, that was about,
• 33:10
  Speaker 10: you know, that was about a year or a little more.
• 33:13
  Speaker 10: And it was pretty smooth, but it's just more when
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: you don't have, you know, an enormous amount of money
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: to work with. You have to, you know, not try
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: to edit or... complete for, say, a festival deadline. You
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: know what I mean? You have to just kind of
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: go with the flow in terms of, you know, if
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: we want to do this right, it's going to take
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: the time it takes. But one thing that that allowed
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: us to keep doing is to keep building some grassroots
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: support on social media, which, of course, is so important.
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: And filmmakers who say, oh, I'm scared of it, I
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: don't want to do it. Well, you know what? If
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: you really want people to see your movie, you better
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: get comfortable with it because you know, unless you are
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: super lucky and you get picked up by somebody like
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: a Lionsgate that has a big marketing juggernaut behind it,
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: you know, even if you get distribution, a lot of
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: the onus of marketing your movie and finding that audience
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: is going to be on the filmmaking team. So either
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: you need somebody on the team who's good at it
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: or you need to become good at it. And luckily,
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: I should take in a couple of great, seminars that
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: really talked about how independent filmmakers can, you know, use
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: the internet to reach their audience directly. I mean, you know, Brian,
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: we've been following each other on Twitter for God knows
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: how long, and I just kind of have been using,
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: let's use Twitter as an example, you know, kind of
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: it's like my personal account, but to sort of build
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: an awareness of not just the movie, but who we
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: are as filmmakers. What are our obsessions that are going
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: to be part of what you can expect as an
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: audience member when you see the movie? So, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: I'd live tweet like an old funny horror movie, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: some cheesy, like, you know, zombie movie or vampire movie
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: or whatever. I'd talk about horror with other horror fans.
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: And I'd talk about feminist and women's rights issues. with
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: the people who are interested in that. And it's a
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: very long, slow process, but at the same time, it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: very rewarding. And we've actually had a couple cool experiences
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: at festivals where we have met people we've tweeted with
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: for maybe a year or two more, but had never,
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: you know, known them in person. And now, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: we met them and kind of became friends because they
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: came to a screening. and they, you know, had been
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: waiting all this time for, well, what is this movie that,
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: you know, we've been tweeting about other stuff with this person. But,
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: you know, I think that that's the thing. If you target,
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: even before you start shooting, and you almost have to
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: do this, too, when you're raising independent financing because you
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: have to tell those people how are you going to
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: get their money back to them. And it's a big
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: risk that they're already taking because independent films never know
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: right now, you know, what is the bottom line going
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: to be But you have to at least show, hey,
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: you know what, I know who the people are who
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: are probably, hopefully going to like this movie. And here's
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: my plan for how I'm going to reach out. So, yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: you have to have that sort of, you know, business
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: and marketing cap that you wear as one of your
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: many caps as an independent filmmaker. And it can actually
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: be kind of fun. It's just a lot of work,
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: but what is it, you know?
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: And in terms of distribution, in terms of actually getting
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: the film out there, you know, the landscape has changed
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: a lot over the last few years.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: And I'm sure you've seen, you know, that there's kind
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: of like the middle has completely fallen out. You know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: no one's making a ton of movies over, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: and they're kind of like in that gap between like
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: 10 million and like 100 million. You know, everyone's either making,
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: you know, Insidious 2 or they're making The Avengers, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: there's very little in between. So, and a lot of
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: the independent boutique arms of the studios have closed. So
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: there's not a lot of people out there that are buying,
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: you know, movies, you know, and, you know, there's like Lionsgate,
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: maybe a couple of others. So if you are not
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: in the lucky few who, you know, go to a
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: big festival and get acquired by the few distributors that
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: are left, you're kind of left on your own. But
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: at the same time, There's tremendous opportunity because social media
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: and the Internet and all of the new direct to
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: all the new digital distribution platforms have opened up the
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: process to where you can, without anyone's assistance, basically put
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: your movie out there for everyone to see. You can
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: get it on iTunes. You can get it on Amazon.
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: You can get it on Netflix. You can probably do
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: it through YouTube, I think, yourself as a rental. So
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: it's opened it up, and the Internet and social media
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: have allowed you to kind of really find your hardcore audience.
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: You know, you don't have to do a giant splashy
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: ad and kind of shotgun approach it and hope someone
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: sees it like in the newspaper. You know, those days
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: are gone. You now can just find your people online
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: wherever they are and market directly to them.
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: And let's also remember, too, I mean, there's platforms like
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: Tug that are fairly new where you can even do
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: a theatrical run if you really, really want to. but
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: it's a little bit more targeted, you know, where you find, like, okay,
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: where's the city where I have most of my followers,
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: you know, and get someone there who's been a big
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: supporter to, you know, try to schedule a screening through
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: something like tug.com. And there are, you know, also great
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: distributors out there who are hungry for content and will
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: help you. Like, you know, with our VOD release, we're
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: with a company called Gravitas, and they really, really know
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: that VOD landscape. We're really lucky to be with them.
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: You know, but they do expect that we're going to
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: work in conjunction with them to market our movie. You know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: that's not going to be a big part of their job.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: They're going to do their best to get us on
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: the VOD platform, get us great placement, but we have
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: to really go after that audience. And in some ways,
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: you know, if you're up for it, it can be
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: a really fun collaboration, and you're with your your baby,
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: your movie, you know, from very beginning to very end.
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: You're not just turning it over to somebody else and
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: hoping they know what to do with it. You know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: you're kind of steering the destiny of the movie.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Which in a way is better, yeah, as an independent,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: you know, producer, filmmaker, whatever you you get a little
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: more control over your movie and instead of having them
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: do something horrible with it yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: Sure exactly yeah yeah you see some movies out there
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: you know that good or bad maybe they're they're buried
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: by a studio that they're with you know or they're
• 39:47
  Speaker 10: not given a chance you know, they come out one
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: weekend and then they're gone if nobody cares or they're
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: marketed poorly. You know, so at least we, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: it's kind of like, you know, win or lose, it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: on us to a point, but at least we'll know
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: we've done, you know, our best in terms of telling
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: the world what we are and why they should check
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: us out.
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but there's definitely, I think, the stigma of not
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: getting a theatrical release is fading away. pretty quickly, especially
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: when the fans hear about your movie and they see
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: that they don't have to wait, you know, half a
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: year for it to premiere in their market or something
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: that they can, you know, in a few weeks you
• 40:28
  Speaker 11: can literally just watch it on your Apple TV or,
• 40:31
  Speaker 11: you know, on your laptop or wherever and it's more accessible. So,
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: and hopefully that's just going to continue to grow that
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: people are going to be able to find the movies
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: that they love really, really quickly on all these different
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: platforms and that filmmakers can still make a decent amount
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: of money putting it on there. They don't have to
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: put it in 4,000 theaters in the country and hope
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: that they at least break even.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: It's a different world than I was thinking just in
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: the span since you started this. Since nine years ago,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: it's become an entirely different world that you put this
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: movie into.
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: Absolutely. Yeah, we have seen the landscape change and we
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: have kept just staying flexible and changing with it because
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: You know, and that was everything from the budget we
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: made the movie for, which kept going down, down, down, until,
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: you know, we finally hit a place that we could,
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: you know, raise that money and make it happen. And,
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: you know, and even so, we go to film festivals
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: where people have made great movies for a lot less
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: than we made ours, and they'll have a faster journey
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: to making their money back. But, you know, everybody, every
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: movie is different and kind of requires different care and feeding, and.
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: But I think that it's good to stay. If you
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: want to make movies, you just stay flexible and you
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: look at what the realities are and be on top
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: of what is happening in the industry now and realize
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: that for better or worse, it's not the same as
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: when most of us were growing up. You know, like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: those days are gone, so embrace what's happening now.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there's any way it could ever
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: go back to the way it was. So, yeah, you
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: might as well just go with it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly. And we all, we kind of, I really
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: miss the days of, and granted I was a baby
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: when this happened, but, you know, of when you could
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: put a movie like Halloween in theaters and the word
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: of mouth would grow. And it would stay in the theater.
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: It would be in the theater for like a year,
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: and the lines would grow and grow and grow around
• 42:29
  Speaker 11: the block. You know, those days are gone. Even a
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: huge blockbuster movie is only in theaters now for maybe two,
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: three weeks, depending on how it's doing. But, you know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: I feel like that kind of crowd, word-of-mouth buzz movement,
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: has now shifted to these other platforms where, you know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: suddenly it's on Netflix and all your friends are like, hey,
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: did you watch this thing? You need to go and
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: watch this thing tonight. And, you know, it could be
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: on the top ten list for, like, you know, two,
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: three years or something. So it's pretty cool.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Well, that is what you have to do now, so
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: I will let you do that. We, the lucky ones
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: enough to attend Meltdown Macabre, have already seen it. But
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: for the rest of the people out there, where should
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: they go to see Chastity Bites?
• 43:09
  Speaker 10: Well, on November 1st, we are going to have our
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: VOD released, and that's going to be on most of
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: the major cable-on-demand platforms in the U.S. and Canada, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: then also on the Internet, VOD platforms like iTunes, Vudu,
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: Amazon Video, Xbox, PlayStation, that sort of thing.
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: It'll be Google Play as well.
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, and a certain kind of YouTube. I guess
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: this is a new one to us, but I guess
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: there's YouTube that you actually pay for, so... It's out there, too,
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: or will be on November 1st. And then the DVD
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: will be out and to be announced where you can
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: find that in February, which is Women in Horror Month,
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: so that kind of works out nicely. But if you
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: like our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter, or sign
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: up on our email list on our website, we can
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: keep you up to date about the different places you're
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: going to be able to find it and any other
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: updates about if it's going to be screening near you
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: or if it's going to be on cable or whatever
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: may come for it in the future.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Sounds good. Again, we had a lot of fun with it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: I think it's so much fun and also just sort
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: of well put together from both ends, from writing and directing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: So you guys have done a good job and I
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: want to help get it out there to people and
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: let them know to go look for it and check
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: out your movie.
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah, word of mouth is our type of movie's best friend.
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: It's not like there's advertising budget, so just getting people
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: to champion it, and then they tell two friends and
• 44:41
  Speaker 10: so on and so on, that's how we may actually
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: be able to someday pay our investors back and maybe
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: make another movie in the future, but we really appreciate it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Well, thank you for letting us show it, and I guess...
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: We'll head into the break here, and when we come back,
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: we'll be discussing the lesser feature of our double feature
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: this week, the much lesser feature. So we will be
• 45:05
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• 49:37
  Speaker 4: This painting, the work of celebrated Austro-Hungarian artist Bellagio Trocci,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: hangs today in the museum at Kiev. The features it
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: portrays are those of Countess Dracula. In this period, the
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Countess held sway over all the provinces of Transylvania. Not
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: only was she beautiful, rich, and powerful, she was also
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: unspeakably cruel. Most notorious of her misdeeds was her custom
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: of taking baths of blood. Today, the Bloody Countess lives
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: still and continues to pursue her evil destiny.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: It ain't easy to live like a chipset.
• 50:44
  Speaker 10: Tell you honey how it feels.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: I've been dreaming, floating down the stream and losing.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Touch with all the dreams.
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  Speaker 2: Whole earth lover, keeping.
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  Speaker 5: Undercover, never knowing where you've been.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: You've been fading, always operating, keeping touch with my It
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: ain't easy living like you want to.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Man, it's so hard to.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Find We're gin. We're gin.
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: We're gin.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: We're gins.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: We're gins.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That's what this movie was all about.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: We're gins and we're gins.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: We're gins and we're gins.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: We're gins and we're gins. We're gins and we're gins.
• 51:54
  Speaker 12: We're gins and we're gins.
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  Speaker 1: We're gins and we're gins.
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  Speaker 5: We're gins and we're gins. We're gins and we're gins.
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah I'm ready I was born ready to discuss this
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: piece of.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Shit what are you talking about sorry this immaculate shit.
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: I don't understand what happened in that movie at all
• 52:26
  Speaker 12: like I'm just really confused it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: Will all come to you all at once or just
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: suddenly and it will be the most amazing aesthetic experience
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: you've ever.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Are you sure about that?
• 52:44
  Speaker 9: One day you'll just be walking down the street and
• 52:47
  Speaker 9: you'll go, I get it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, after I watch a movie like this,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: that's what I want to believe. I want to believe
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that there's just some critical piece that I just missed
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: somewhere along the way that at some point will fall
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: into place and then I'll be like, oh, that's what
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: What the hell are you saying?
• 53:08
  Speaker 12: I'm not going to hold my breath for that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: All right. We are back, having survived the second feature
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: of the night, Mama Dracula.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Let's do the official.
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Rundown before we start our full-fledged attack. This week's Out
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: of the Town, Meltdown Macabre's special presentation is Mama Dracula.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: The year is 1980. The director, Boris Zolzinger, is that,
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: I guess, how we'll pronounce this thing? Let's go with that, yeah.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: They plot, according to IMDb, if you can piece anything together,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: they say, a female vampire must bathe in the blood
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: of virgins in order to stay alive. The trouble is
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: that virgins are in short supply nowadays, and she is
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: running into major problems finding one. Yeah, that sums it
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: all up. Spoiler alert, we don't want to ruin this
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: for you, so go seek it out now. Joke's on you. Alright, so,
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: where would you like to begin with Mama Dracula?
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: Well, I'd like to begin with just, like, where I
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: am psychologically at this moment.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, could you mention for the audience, who are you?
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: I'm Fred, and I feel that everyone here, it's like
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: we've all survived, like, a plane wreck in the Andes.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Ha!
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: And, you know... All just sitting around a fire trying
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: to piece together what just happened. Trying to decide, like,
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: if we have to resort to cannibalism to get through this,
• 54:36
  Speaker 9: what's going to happen.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to eat some more popcorn.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Well, I guess, yeah, we should bring in the rest
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: of them here. Fred did show up just in time
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: to see Mama Dracula. You lucky bastard. Marlena did come in. Luckily,
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: you got to see both. I guess the only other...
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Introduce yourself, sir.
• 54:56
  Speaker 13: I'm Andrew Cooper. I'm a film professor at the University
• 55:00
  Speaker 13: of Louisville. And so I write nonfiction about horror films.
• 55:05
  Speaker 13: And I also write horror fiction. So so horror is
• 55:08
  Speaker 13: kind of my thing. And I've got to be honest,
• 55:11
  Speaker 13: I've waded through so many horrible horror films, I wasn't
• 55:15
  Speaker 13: that impressed by this one.
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: No?
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: By this one's badness.
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: It certainly had some zingers in there, but it was
• 55:23
  Speaker 13: also clearly striving for comedy throughout.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:27
  Speaker 13: And the premise is sort of the Carmilla lesbian vampire
• 55:32
  Speaker 13: version of, I think a few years later, the movie
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: Once Bitten.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, actually I was thinking about that too. It had
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: pretty much the exact same motivation for the main character.
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: Yeah, except for it's not Lauren Hutton, and again, it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 13: got the lesbian overtones.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Instead it's Louise Fletcher, who most of our listeners will
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: know as Nurse Ratched. playing the lead Mama Dracula of
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the title.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: The frightening thing is it's not like this was after
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: 20 years of hard times. This was five years after
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: she got an Oscar. She turned up here.
• 56:07
  Speaker 9: She looked younger than in Cuckoo's Nest.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: Those are five hard years that led her to this outcome.
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: It's blood, I guess.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's obviously the blood. It's weird, though, where actors
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: wind up. A decade ago, we would have been like, oh,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Paul Bettany? I know where he's going to be in
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: a decade. He's going to be like, you know, has
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: gotten a couple of other Oscar nods. He's been in
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a few more period pieces, and he will be commented
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: upon for his highbrow film work, but I remember seeing Priest, though,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: in theaters a couple years ago. I was one of
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the 30 people that saw that movie in theaters.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: 31.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Awesome.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Give me some skin for that. All right.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: And, yeah, I love that movie.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: But that and Legion and, like, you know, he's just
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: been in bad B-movie after bad B-movie. And, you know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: so it's surprising sometimes, like, how.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: How successful actors will make certain film choices. I don't
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: want to pin it on any one thing, but yeah.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was her agent. Maybe her agent was like, hey,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: there's this film being made in Europe. I think it's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: going to be a hit over here in the States.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: Her agent's a jeer.
• 57:16
  Speaker 14: It was like, I don't know if anybody's familiar with
• 57:20
  Speaker 14: this terrible 80s band called Army of Lovers, but it
• 57:23
  Speaker 14: was like one long Army of Lovers music video.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: There was something very.
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: There was a very music 80s music video quality to it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: And I'm no expert on 80s music videos, but the
• 57:37
  Speaker 9: guy in it, the Professor Von Blood, I kept expecting
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: him to say that she blinded me with science or something.
• 57:47
  Speaker 12: Yes, he looked like it's the Dark Hair Thomas Dolby.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Am I right? Yes.
• 57:51
  Speaker 12: I have a story to tell you. I have to
• 57:53
  Speaker 12: get this out. It's real important. Okay, so last week.
• 57:55
  Speaker 14: I went out with some work friends and some work
• 57:59
  Speaker 14: customers to the mag bar and uh we sat in
• 58:03
  Speaker 14: the back at a booth and i left my best
• 58:06
  Speaker 14: friend unattended which was like a really bad decision apparently
• 58:09
  Speaker 14: because this creepy extremely drunk guy like hovered over her
• 58:12
  Speaker 14: and was like he was like trying to communicate with
• 58:15
  Speaker 14: her but he was just like past the.
• 58:18
  Speaker 12: Point of being able to like function and he was
• 58:20
  Speaker 12: like you lived and she's like i'm charmed i know but.
• 58:30
  Speaker 14: The guy looked exactly like thomas dolby exactly like thomas
• 58:35
  Speaker 14: dolby and i was like i made this hilarious on
• 58:40
  Speaker 14: point joke i was like i guess you blinded him
• 58:42
  Speaker 14: with science and everyone's like what.
• 58:47
  Speaker 12: And my phone was broken.
• 58:49
  Speaker 14: At the time so i couldn't like google a picture
• 58:51
  Speaker 14: of thomas dolby and.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: You know next to the drunk guy's face.
• 58:54
  Speaker 14: Yeah it was it was like the worst the worst
• 58:58
  Speaker 14: like fail ever.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: That's a genuine that's a genuine tragedy but speaking of
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: genuine tragedies i think it might be helpful for us
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you know rather than attempting to discuss this movie as
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: though its contents were known maybe we can attempt to
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: sort of reconstruct the experience collectively.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: Good luck with that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I'll say this, is that part of the 80s music
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: video thing is that, well, we had the... Mama Dracula,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: who was Louise Fletcher, and then her two kids, who
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: were twins, who both looked like they were from a
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Queen cover band.
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: I don't know. I was getting a Michael Bolton vibe.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: It's just that wonderful hair they had.
• 59:31
  Speaker 12: The flowing curly hair.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: And then we had Dr. Von Blood, who was an American,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: who looked like the love child Harold Ramis and Harold Lloyd.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, actually. That's what I kept seeing when I was watching.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: When heralds collide. Yeah, yeah. When heralds collide. Soon we'll
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: be famous.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: I can see it now. To Peter von Blood, a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: brilliant young scientist.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: His Majesty King Olaf IV of Sweden awards the Nobel
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: Prize for research on artificial blood.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And throughout it all, it was so strange because with
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Mama Dracula, like, Louise Fletcher played it straight. Like, she
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: had Nurse Ratched Face on hardcore the entire film. Never
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: let it slip that she was ever kidding about anything.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: And then you had the two twins who were ostensibly
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: her children who had accents that she did not.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: And they were being flamboyant and incredibly paw-y. They kept
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: pawing at all the other characters that sort of came
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: within range of them. And then you had Harold Lloyd,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: who was just kind of flailing around and being more
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: comedic than any of them. And it's like, every time
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I saw clips of them... Oh, and let's not forget
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: the transvestite troll that kept showing up and roaring at people.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 14: That was my favorite part.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: He was my favorite character.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: So he was the chauffeur and also the mute maid.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we had a chauffeur slash maid who
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: was actually a man... who every time the script called
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: upon him to speak, he would just sort of rah,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: like whoever was within listening distance.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: Wait, could he speak when he was the chauffeur?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: No, he just yelled at him.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: He still just kind of made noise.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 9: Okay, because there was this scene where the tree fell
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: over in the road, and suddenly all the villagers appeared
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: with pitchforks and stuff, and he went out and I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: guess he just yelled. It reminded me so much of
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: when Jay Leno goes out to the He creates his audience.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: See, I was thinking Chewbacca.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Isn't that the same kind of awkwardness?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: See, no, I was thinking more like Chewbacca. Like, yeah,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: every time he said something, I felt like Mama Dracula
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: turned around and was like, you said it, Chewie.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: I think that is Rosa. I think Rosa is my
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: favorite character in this.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 12: She was sweet. You know, the happy birthday shark.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Well, I decided that Rosa is a mixture of Frankenstein's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: monster and Lassie. Because every few... Jimmy fell in the well, girl,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: hold on. And mom would go after him.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: An Irma Vep thing, but what was the Asylum movie
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: we watched that had the character that kept playing everybody?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: I kept expecting him to turn up and be another
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 9: character and just keep going with it. They had the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 9: two twins... Like Bob Chinsky and Dob Chinsky. The twin children.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: I kept expecting something to come of that, but it
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: was not really enough.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 12: I wouldn't say this was a cohesive movie.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: No. Well, she did mention the birthday shark. Perhaps we
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: could say a little bit more about the birthday shark.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, don't you guys always get a birthday shark?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: Just me?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 9: And so the professor... Von Blood.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Von Blood, lest we forget.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 9: Is invited there, and he's trying to, like, create synthetic blood.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: Because virgins are in short supply, and apparently in this world,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: not a renewable resource.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: So, it's based on that one joke. The one joke.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: No virgins around. Okay, so we'll go with that. And
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: she does her own accent, which has a little bit
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: more Elmer Fudd than theirs.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: A little bit.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: Something like that. And he's there, and he's trying to...
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 9: And did I get this right? He's trying to make blood,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 9: and he keeps accidentally creating gold bars.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: and.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 9: Throwing them to the side. Was that what was going
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 9: on there?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think the idea is that he's working with alchemy,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 13: and he keeps getting the alchemy right and creating gold.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Gold bars.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 9: He's trying to create gold.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: What a fool. Yeah, no, for creating all that gold,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: what a fool. Doesn't he know what that will do
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to the world's gold supply? But I guess the weird
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: thing is for me is that, okay.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: Okay, the weird thing.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. There's one.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. You mentioned before that this movie,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it was so obviously a comedy that it enabled you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: to survive through its bad elements, or at least it
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: seemed self-aware to some degree. There were times where I
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, this is definitely a comedy, and then
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: the very next scene I was like, or maybe this
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: is just some really bad acting. I don't know. There
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: were scenes which I couldn't tell what was meant not
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: to work and what just didn't work. You know, it
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: all just bled together for me. And it wasn't helped
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: by the fact that they... Part of the music video-ness
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: of it was the fact that they opted almost invariably
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: for this very surreal, smoke-filled, bright light, dark shadows, like,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: swirling cameras filming technique. So you never knew where you were. Or, like,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: at one point he pulls the face off a clock
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: and his twin, like, the twin vampires are like... playing
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: hide-and-seek or something.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: That scene, I'm still not sure what the hell was
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: going on. That's one of those, you're just like, what
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: am I watching, and how did this come to be?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: That was like some film language made up between twins
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: that nobody else speaks.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, twin speak, yeah. It was Nell playing that real time.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: I actually liked the scene where they did the mirroring.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: I thought that was maybe the cleverest thing that was
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: in the movie. The two twin vampire guys who were
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: weird enough already do an extended mirroring scene. And then
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: I think the joke was that Professor Von Blood comes
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: in and he has no reflection.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: He doesn't get it. I'm not sure.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: It was almost a joke there.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were trying.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: But it was all at the level of commitment that...
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: of a skit and it just kept going at that
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: level of commitment.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah and it and it and and it had like
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: those twins by the end of the film i was
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: actually ready to say okay these guys they're rocking it
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: like they have consistently brought more to this movie than
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: like they are in every scene they are like going
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: as far as they can with everything they're doing i
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: kind of part of me was like you know if
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: someone had made a better movie and stuck them in it,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I could see them as like, as like having a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: bit role in some other, other comedy flick. Uh, that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: was conceivable to me.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 13: I think, I think they're, they're, they're what, what for
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 13: me sort of made the movie more acceptable as, as,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 13: as a comedy.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's a very successful comedy.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: Um, but, but it reminds me of particularly there were there,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 13: there are moments that were so clearly choreographed as, as
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 13: sort of absurd as tumor, um, reminding me of like
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 13: the Magic Christian or Fearless Vampire Killers where there's not
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 13: so much laugh out loud funny but sort of a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 13: pervasive surrealism that in those films happens to work in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 13: this film it happens not to work but I think
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: the film tries to achieve that type of atmosphere and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 13: when that goes wrong the results aren't laugh out loud
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 13: so bad it's good funny and it aren't funny in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 13: another way either, and it just sort of kind.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Of is a dud.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's my response. Like, it's not even that
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: it's so bad it's good. It's that it's just my
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: entire response to the movie is like, how did this happen?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: How is it this comes to be on film and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: or I'm watching it now? I don't understand.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 9: That should be like an actual profession because they have
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: what they call forensic engineers, and when there's a disaster...
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: They can go there and calculate how the fire started,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: and they find the window over here. And so there
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: was so much force in the explosion. There should be
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 9: guys who go and, like, can watch a movie and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: figure out what form of mental insanity.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: I think that's our job, Fred.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: That's our job.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 9: I was trying to duck the responsibility by creating somebody else.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: Who is responsible.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: If Hollywood had that office, so many directors that are
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: well-connected would suddenly come under fire and be blacklisted. Michael
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Bay would have to run for his life. There'd be
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of trouble.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: David Lynch would only get to do the weather from
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 12: now on.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: I'd be okay with it.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: By the way, David Lynch doing the weather sounds like
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: a terrifying TV show.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: I would totally watch that.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: It's the only time I've ever watched the weather, but
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: oh my God.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: I think he should direct all commercials.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: All of them.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: Is your VCR not watching?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: If you want to have a commercial, you go through
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: David Lynch. It's either him with a Barbie doll in
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 9: his hands or something. That would change the landscape of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: people's minds.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: This movie had that That Star Wars Christmas special level of.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: That's actually pretty close.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: Specialness.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: At places where.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: There's a great ex-KCD comic where, like, they're like... Where,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the main characters are all like, Woohoo! This
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: is gonna be so terrible!
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be funny! And blah, blah, blah.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: And then it cuts to, like, you know, 30 minutes
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: later and they're just sitting around a table drinking. Like... Like,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: holding their heads in their hands and just like, Oh,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: my God. What has just happened to me?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's like when you get this great idea for
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: a road trip with your friends when you're in your
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: teens or twenties, and then like a couple hours into it,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: you're just like, oh my.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: God, what are we thinking?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And this movie, I mean, I usually hate to give
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: this excuse because I feel like it is an excuse
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: rather than any kind of meaningful explanation, but drugs like
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: i looked at this movie and i looked at that
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: last scene especially where suddenly they just started singing a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: blood song and like stomping their feet and it's reached
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: some sort of climax for all these insurance adjusters and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: and angry villagers have appeared in this in this auditorium
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: to like you know watch a fashion show and wow
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: making this movie sound like much more awesome than it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: is but it's but but at that moment i was
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: just like looking at their faces i was like Did
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: you guys even remember making this movie? Was this one
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: of those situations where in 1981 everyone sort of came
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: to and was like, what the fuck? Did we just
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: spend our lives?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 9: I think that's the thing. I mean, if you try
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: to describe it, you inevitably make it sound more awesome
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 9: than it really is. And that's what must have sold it. Oh,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: and then we'll have this scene, there's a fashion show
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: and all these insurance adjusters show up and they sing
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: a song about blood and people are like... Yeah, maybe.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: Sounds good.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Did we mention the naked girl? Because we have a
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: naked girl in a couple of the scenes.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: There are lots of naked girls. There's like a parade
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: of naked girls because the M.O.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 13: Is to kidnap them from the dressing room.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 14: My favorite part about that is that, you know, he
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 14: comes out. One of them scares the girl and they
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 14: always pass out. And the other guy goes, virgin?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: Right before they lose consciousness, they ask.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: Them, virgin?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 9: And they're like, yes.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: I really would have liked if every girl went, what?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: What are you saying? I can't understand you.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: This, by the way, back in the day when, say
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: what you will, rape humor was widely, apparently, much more
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: acceptable than today. Or perhaps people just didn't really realize
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: that that's what it was. But yeah, it was a
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: series of sequences where one guy makes a girl pass
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: out so his brother can drag her out of the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: dressing room into the dark shadows after asking her if
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: she's a virgin. Excuse me, a virgin.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: Because they're vampires. And only.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: What.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: Was the name of their little fashion shop?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Wamp. It was not what.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: The sign said on the building, but that's what they
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: called it.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: It was a wamp.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 9: And then apparently Banksy would show up and add ire
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: to it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: That bastard. No, while we're on that.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Vampire.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: Where did they live, Fred?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Where did they live?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: What was the big building that they lived in?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: Oh, wait.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: A castle of some kind? Yeah, the.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: The castle?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: The castle.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: They every damn time would pronounce it castle.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: She did.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: The vampires with the weird shit in the castle.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: The castle.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 14: I was really confused about the scenery in this movie anyway.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 12: Like, I never... Even though they were in.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 14: Different places, you can watch a movie and know that
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 14: you have a landscape in your mind of where things are.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 12: The house is here. The school is here. The grocery
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 12: store is here. Not in this movie.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Nothing else is.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 12: They're in different places, but I'm just like, where the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 12: fuck are they?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 9: I think the confusion begins when Professor Von Blood starts out,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: and there are the three musicians there. and then he
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: goes somewhere, and then they're there, too.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that the.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 9: Same three guys?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the same three guys, and they kept
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: showing up in the background, too, here and there. I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: think that was supposed to be like.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 12: A running joke. Shortage of people willing to participate.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 13: And actually check the credits to see if they had
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 13: a continuity error.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to guess no.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 13: But yeah, there may not have been one, because not
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 13: only were there sort of macro problems with continuity, but
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: there were several... Well, we could be kind and call
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: them jump cuts, but I don't think they were deliberate
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 13: jump cuts. They were just people appearing from one side
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 13: of the room to another.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Teleportations, yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: And then when they tried to do that.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: They did a.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: No, but they did mention that the vampires are very fast.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and then when they tried to demonstrate it, they
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: did one of the worst jump cuts.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: No!
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 9: It's like they kind of showed up eventually like they
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: got up out of their chair.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: And walked over. So are you inhumanly fast? Beat.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure. Really fast.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 13: We're going to walk outside of the frame and then
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 13: reappear in the frame in order to demonstrate how.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Fast we are.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: The best part was the first thing you saw were
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: their capes. They're preceded everywhere by their caves.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: How do you mess that up?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: That's just.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: The easiest thing to do in film.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Boom, there's people there. No, it took a while.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: While we're on the spatial relations, on the same thing
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: as the castle, like... Trapped in a gay bar. Then
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: when they're like... They're kidnapping the girls and they take
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: them back to the castle. And then, like, the one
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: gets stuck, so then it's back to the shop, and
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: they ride for, like, how long on that motorcycle?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 12: I was really confused, and then she was in the shop.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: And then she gets out of where she was at
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: the castle and runs upstairs in the shop.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's what I was really confused about.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 12: That's why I had a problem, like, spatially with this movie.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't helped by the fact that the film, okay,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say again, like, the film had some
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: pretty cool locations. Like, here and there, like, a few
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: of the rooms, like, the fact that the girl... who
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: was inexplicably held hostage, even though I had no idea
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: who the hell she was, because the first time she
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: shows up is when they catch a guy having sex
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: ostensibly with his wife in a graveyard. Like you do.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: And she's just there, and then she's again in another scene.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I got the impression that she was supposed to be investigating.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 12: She's a cop and an actress?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: She was a cop.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: She was a cop. And an actress.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So she was a cop having sex with her husband.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 13: No, no, no.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: She was the woman standing off to the side. Busting them.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: And wasn't she the girl from the band Heart?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: I kept thinking she was going to sing Barracuda.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Was it really her? It's not, because that's the other
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: legit actress. She's in Last Tango in Paris.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, again, they got two real... Like, she's... Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: And her hair was.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: She was a lot cuter in Last Tango.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and she's really a bad actress, according to this.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I know.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: But she.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: But anyway, she shows up and she's some sort of
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: cop and says as much, even though they always refer
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: to her as this actress. And they capture her and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: they put her in this room, which is Beauty and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the Beast style. Looks like it's in a turret, but
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: it's surrounded by gold bars. She's in a giant birdcage.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: And it was actually a really cool room. But it
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: was one of those things of you didn't understand which
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: room led to which room. Because I remember a scene
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: where Went straight from that room into what looked like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Vermeer's foyer. And then again went straight from that room
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: into what looked like an abandoned attic with all this
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: junk in it where we had this scene of the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: junk cut chase, you know, where one of the vampires
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: is chasing her around and then suddenly she attacks him gently.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: No, yeah, doesn't even attack him. Like she just, they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: both stop running. And then they go the other direction.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: And she chases him for no good reason.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: Like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it was like in a Bugs Bunny thing. It
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 14: had a very, you know, she was Elmer Fudd. But
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 14: there was a very Bugs Bunny thing. Like when they
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 14: were arguing over how many.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 12: Virgins he would get. He's like, I need ten. And
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 12: she goes, three.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: He's like, eight.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Three.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: Two.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: Three.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the same.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: And again, Nurse Ratched has no idea that anyone's joking. So, like,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you know, she just, her face doesn't change.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: Stoic.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, very stoic. But I gotta say, again, it
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: was like, watching this scene, or watching this film was like,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: during those sequences, I remember thinking, because... there'd be entire
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: sequences which didn't seem to advance the plot at all.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: It just involved people rubbing themselves against the scenery. Like,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: when he first finds his laboratory, he spends, like, a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: while just sliding down the giant, like... Yes, he's very happy.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: Whatever the hell those are. That was the other... It
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: looks like.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 12: He's going to start making meth.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 14: They look like gigantic beer things that you'd find at
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 14: the Hofbrauhaus.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: I think that's what it was.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: They found him like a brew pub somewhere.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: They're going to be blood vats.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: That's the idea.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: They had a friend who owned a brewery basically. Can
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: we borrow that for a minute?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 12: Microbrew hadn't really hit it big.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Well back in those days either you were microbrew in
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: which case you were just competing with Budweiser.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Or I guess this is Europe, so, you know, it's Germany. Like,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: throw a rock, you hit a brew pub.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: Or not Germany. Did we decide where?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Actually, I looked it up I think it was in Romania. Actually,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I looked it up. Apparently, the film was made in Belgium.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the director is... Because that's what I was going
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: to say. The director is Belgian, but then it's listed as, like,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: a Belgian-French production. Which means what?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: What the hell would that be?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: Which probably just means they had some French financing. Yeah,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: French money. But that's the other thing.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 9: They had some francs in there.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: That was my other alternative excuse was like you were
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: going with drugs is the reason behind it. But I'm
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: almost thinking France.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 14: Have you seen the movie sitcom?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: The more I thought about it. Brian, that's racist.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: Could be France.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Could be drugs.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: That is the most American thing you've said all night.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: It could be France. It could be drugs or it
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: could be France.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: I blame France.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: The baguettes and all the defeat.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: Like it's just i mean it goes the way they.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: Leave the cheese sitting out all day that gets to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 9: you it's.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Not the fault of the french i'm standing up for
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: my five years of french class here you know like
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: that was your mistake but no i mean it's something
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: equally racist if i'm like well screw you if i'm
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: taking spanish.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: It to me it falls into that same category of
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: like we don't even understand why they like jerry lewis
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: But they like Jerry Lewis. I didn't notice until watching
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: this again, yes, I have to say I've watched this
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: more than once now, how much, not even just the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: physical comedy of rubbing yourself on there, but how many
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: times they fall down.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Just ridiculous stuff. What the hell was that? All this
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: overly done physical comedy. Then I'm like, maybe that just
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: works better. Somewhere. Not here. But we'll blame France. But
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: maybe it's not even France. Maybe there's just whatever area
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: they were at or whoever funded them. Some of this
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: is working.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: Maybe it's like that head trauma that makes you speak
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: with a French accent.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: And everyone in this room.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: Have you ever heard of that? There's like a brain
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: injury you get and then you speak with a French
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: accent after.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 14: That.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: I didn't make it up. um the other thing is
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: i don't know the film quality it's just so it's
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: like red but not like a real red red it's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: not it's like sort of a brownish dull oh no there.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Was that one scene shot at twilight where you can't
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: see it yeah like it was a scene where i
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: saw a window.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: At the end they're taking a photo and they make
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: a joke about everything the photo being too red and
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: i'm like I.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 12: Thought they couldn't appear in mirrors also. I was very
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 12: confused about that.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 9: Or on 35mm film.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Super 8 was a better filming technique
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: than this.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: Better camera than this.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 14: It was very hard to understand what was going on
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 14: in the movie just because it was so difficult to see.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 13: We might need to blame the DVD transfer as opposed
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 13: to the actual production.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure. I assumed that until they started making
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: a joke about.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: It in the movie.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: Where they're taking a picture of people and it's too red.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: I think that's just a bad blood joke.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 12: I don't know. What was the production company that released this?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: Mill Creek.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 12: It sounds like someone who would make cheap wine.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: Oh, they do.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: I think they make good wine.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 14: We produce low quality DVDs and nice wine.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Here's 60 bad movies and a jug of wine.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: You're going to need this wine.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: That is a marketing. Oh, there you go. Let's open
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: a business.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: I think they mostly.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 13: Produce things or distribute things that are in the public
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 13: domain or that they can acquire extremely cheaply. Or that
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 13: they find in a friend's garage. And therefore we see
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 13: things that look like they could have actually been playing
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 13: in Grindhouse movie theaters circa 1980.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: As we were watching, I was like, this has not
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: been remastered. I was like, I'm not joking. This is
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: the worst print that's ever existed. And they're not going
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: to fix it or go look for a real copy
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: because they don't have but four dollars. so i mean
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: This is they're not in the business of producing like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: the quality reprint of mama dracula this.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: Is not the criterion edition of mama dracula this is
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: the here's 50 movies for four dollars So I blame
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: the transfer, and it's like a copy of a copy
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: of a copy.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I still blame the French.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: Well, that's a good fallback for any argument, really.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 12: Can we just speak in a French accent for the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 12: rest of this podcast, please?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: You can.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 14: I've gotten pretty decent at pronouncing my French R's, and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 14: I don't want to brag.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: Go for it. I want to stick with the.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: We might actually get more listeners if we have a
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: female with a French accent.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: I'm just always glad whenever geeks get together, if we
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: have any females, it just makes me feel better about
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 9: the whole situation.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: I feel like we've got more than pretty much any
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: show out there as a running thing. I'm pretty proud
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: of our balance.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 9: I'm proud of it, too. It's a good thing to.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: i gotta say it's it's also it's i i sympathize
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: with that especially since um it's weird back in the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: days when i i played even more dungeons and dragons
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: i actually had the weird experience of often uh dming
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: tables with more women than men oh wow and i
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: remember just sitting there being like this i'm like the
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: first person that this has ever happened oh yeah my
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: friends are like hey let's play dungeons and dragons i'm
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: like Okay.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 9: That's crazy.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: I won't say no, but I'm worried about the cosmic
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: balance and what this will do to it.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: Man, that's like a setup for a porn.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Funny you should mention that because one of my favorite
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: blogs that I read is in fact called D &
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: D with Porn Stars.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not even kidding.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: There's a great... Well, sure. There's a guy out there
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: named Zach Sabbath who does a blog called D &
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: D with Porn Stars where.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: It's legit.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: He just talks about D & D, but he happens
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: to be a porn star, and all of his friends
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: are porn stars, and that's what they do when they're off-duty.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: They just hang out. Off-duty, is that how it is? Yep.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: They work shifts.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: They work shifts.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: That's also a title that they produce. Yeah. Are you kidding?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: That's in, like, its 16th sequel.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, no, no, no. Oh, it definitely is.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 9: So if porn stars are off-duty, are they sitting around
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 9: eating sandwiches and then they get a call over the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: radio like Starsky and Hutch?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: I really want to believe that's how it goes. Then
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: they drive into slutty cop outfits and run out there.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: It's exactly like that, but it's a sandwich and a
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: fluffer at the same time. You're never off-duty, really.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: And it's not so much Starsky and Hutch as it
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: is Charlie's Angels.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: But they have French accents.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: Bad.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 13: Or a French something.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: So by the way, I think we just conceived of
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: a better movie than this movie.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't take much.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know that's the mark of a bad movie
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 9: when you can't talk about it without accidentally writing a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 9: better movie.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: So should we warn people about this film? It's a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: little late now. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: I'm assuming you've already watched it.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Sucker.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know. I was trying to See what
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: else we need to address of the insanity that went on.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I'll take partial.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 13: I guess if you enjoyed The Howling 2, your sister
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 13: is a werewolf. You might love Mama Dracula.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: Wow, it's like Netflix is talking to me.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: You mean Halloween 2 or Halloween? Howling. The Howling 2.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: Your sister is a werewolf.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Because I was thinking you meant Halloween 3, which is
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: also a pretty terrible movie.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 13: Actually, Halloween 3 is a fine movie if you consider
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 13: it outside of the context of the series.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: It's crazy, but it's very entertaining.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you to continue with your point. Sorry,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the Halloween 3.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 14: Is that the Halloween-esque one?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: Yes. We've done an episode on that.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 12: Season of the Witch.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: It's a creative premise.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: Witches.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Witchcraft. I have a mustache.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: There's no place in that series. It gets very crazy
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: as time goes on, but it's a hell of an
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: entertainment movie.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 13: And it has a jingle in it that will stay
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 13: in your head forever.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: I remember watching it. How many days?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: No, I remember watching it in high school for the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: first time, and at the end of it, my friends
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: and I were all just sitting around looking at each
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: other going like, what the hell just happened? Like, how
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: did that movie end like that?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 12: It was pretty ballsy, I think.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: Anyways, okay, okay, okay. We're not talking about that movie.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 13: No, just movies that are so off the wall that
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 13: there's just no way in hell they're ever going to work.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: I would put Howling 2.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 13: Your Sister is a Werewolf, in the same category as
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 13: Mama Dracula. And clearly there's an effort at camp. There's
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 13: an effort at humor. There are some good people involved.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 13: There are some classic monsters involved. And yet you sit
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 13: there thinking, I'm never going to get this part of
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 13: my life back. And I'm not sure how I'm going
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 13: to turn this into a positive experience, even making fun
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 13: of it.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 12: Even beer was available during the filming.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 9: I used to have this one friend, like whenever we
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 9: saw live theater that went wrong, like really wrong. And
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: to me, usually movies you can kind of walk off
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 9: a little bit more. Like you can come out of
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 9: a bad movie and walk it up. But if you
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 9: see live theater that goes really wrong.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: I know about that. Oh, my God.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 9: You try to go out to dinner and forget it
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 9: ever happened. But, you know, it just you find yourself
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 9: like burying your head in your hands. But we had
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 9: this one friend who moved to Louisville with us from Richmond.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 9: And she could like turn it around. and she was
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 9: just like funny and vicious and she could like turn
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 9: that experience into something like i'm glad this happened to
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 9: us those are those.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Are valuable friends yeah i know.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's what we do like to me
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: that's like this is the most entertaining thing i've gotten
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: out of a lot of movies it's like after the fact.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 14: Yeah this basically we're like holocaust survivors we all.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 12: Just Got off a train.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Can we not offend the world?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anyone left.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Because I mentioned my antipathy for the Spanish language. We'd
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: have a full rave against the French. And now we're
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: bringing in Holocaust survivors.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: I was thinking it was like a support group.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: It's bad too. I feel like it's a bad movie
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: support group.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 12: We turned that trip to Dachau into a positive experience.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 13: I'm disappointed because the movie didn't violate me more. See,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 13: I wanted to be more upset by this movie than
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 13: I was. I wanted it to be more outrageously bad.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: I wasn't even upset by it. I was just in awe. Well,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: that's what we were going to talk about. People gave
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: them money. Yeah.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 9: And people put some effort into it. People threw their
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 9: backs into trying to make this work.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: One of the things I've really gotten from, instead of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: being a stage manager, but being an actual full-on production
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: manager at a theater, is there is always some group
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: of individuals who are just working their butts off constantly
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: for all of these movies that this company, whoever they
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: are putting out, whoever hired them, And it's like, on
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: the one hand, you feel less bad for them because
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: this is one movie out of probably like 30 they
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: made that year. But at the same time, you're like,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: there are people out there who do just work really
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: hard at these films and take them very seriously. It's
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: one of the things that actually makes me curb myself
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit whenever I want to talk bad about
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of Hollywood films. Because say what you will
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: about some of the most awful, horrible Hollywood films, Michael Bay.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: You got to admit.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: I like Transformers.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: I hate you. But you have to admit that there
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: are people out there who are under him and his
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: team who are like, you know, working their butts off
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: and doing a fantastic job. They are making those camera angles,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: you know, excellent.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 9: Even in the worst Hollywood movie, there are like things
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 9: that are amazing.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 9: Like little details and stuff that.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: You don't even see that they spent like a month
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: building oh no and and you can and that's one
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: of the reasons i love listening to uh uh commentary
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: track which unfortunately we do not have for mama oh
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: god oh man but there's but i remember there's this
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: uh i was watching the commentary track for this one
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: independent film and and they're supposed to be at a
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: train station and you see this train like leaving the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: windows the guys like going up to the to make
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: a phone call, and then you hear the director on
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: the voiceover going, woohoo, we got a train! Like something
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: no one else noticed, but he's looking and he's like,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: thank God we filmed this with a train, and that
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: was the take we could use. That proves that they're
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: at a train station, don't you see?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: Production value!
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 11: I know.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this movie I don't think had very many
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: moments like that.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: But that's the thing. Just watching it, a lot of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: people showed up on set and they got these shots.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: Whether they go together and make any sense, obviously, is
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: still arguable. But they showed up and made this movie.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: There's so many great ideas for movies that never see
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: the light of day. And yet, how many of these
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: have we watched now that keep getting made?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 9: And then there are even those series that are working
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 9: and have an audience.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 9: And then they just bail on them. It's like, you know, Deadwood, nah, well,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 9: we're going to let that go. We're going to try
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 9: some new crap that's going to be a train wreck
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 9: and you'll never hear about again.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: But there, I don't know.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 9: I don't understand how that works.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean, it's one of those things
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: where it's so difficult to talk about the business end
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: and the artistic end at the same time. Like, I mean,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: It's a common stereotype, I think, to say that, well,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: business doesn't understand art or something like that. But the
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: relationship is really, I think, a lot more complex.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 9: It's partly that business doesn't understand business. Because, no, I mean,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: we assume that we generally tend to think that business
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 9: does the smart thing. But it really doesn't. Because if
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 9: it did... Most movies would be G and PG.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: That's where all the money is.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 9: But now they want something else. They don't do it
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 9: by the numbers. We assume that's what business is trying
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 9: to make money, but no. It's people who are part
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 9: of a culture. And that's why most movies are because
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 9: they want to be taken seriously.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: They used to be. That's changing now.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 9: Is it? Yeah, well.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: Well, look at how many bad, and a lot of
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: this is because the computers are now involved, but look
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: at how many bad knockoff kids movies there are now
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: than in the 80s when it was just Disney putting
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: out this multi-million dollar version. Whereas now, every couple of weeks,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: somebody knocks out another bad. Some of them just go
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: straight to DVD now, but there's a lot of them
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: in hit theaters that I don't think would have... In
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: a different time where now it's like they keep making money.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: Like no matter how many bad zoo animals when it
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: keeps making money.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 9: Madagascar? Yeah.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, how many sequels of that have they made?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: And like, I don't know anybody who said.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: It was good. Shark Boy and Lava Girl.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: Hey, that's Rodriguez. He's a genius.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 9: What's that one that looks like a cheap knockoff, but
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 9: it was really somebody's dream that they tried for 20
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 9: years to make this masterpiece? It's The Thief and the Cobbler.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: The title sounds familiar.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think I've seen it, though.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it looks like somebody made this.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Is it animated? Yeah, they tried.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 9: It looks like somebody, after Aladdin came out, tried to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 9: throw together something.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of this.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 9: But actually, it was somebody's brainchild, and they did like 50,000
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 9: times more frames of art than they needed to, just
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 9: to lavish.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 9: They lost their funding and somebody else took over and
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 9: like took what they had and, and made it into
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 9: like a, a monstrous disaster of what, but like so
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 9: much work and commitment had gone into it. And then
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 9: you see it and it's like, Oh, somebody knocked.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: Out another one of those knockoffs.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I got a, I got a question for people, um,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: related to this film. Uh, that's slightly, slightly skew from
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: what we've been discussing. I'm wondering about camp and horror
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: and the relationship between the two.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: Just comedy and horror is a fine line. Like, that's
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: hard to balance and get right.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wonder, like, because it's funny to me
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: that when I feel like I, like, horror comedy is
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: one thing, and that's something that people go for, but
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: it seems to me like the fine line that people
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: wind up crossing accidentally a lot of the time or
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: that they try to play off of and often fail
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: is camp. with horror like making a campy horror like
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: a campy horror film being a bad horror film versus
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: a horror film with camp elements or something you know what.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about is another one that's dangerous though because
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: you but you you're usually very self-aware when you're doing
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: yeah and that's what doesn't work most of the time
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: it's like the reason we love a lot of the
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: worst movies is because they have no idea they're making
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: a terrible movie where when you're trying for camp that
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: hard it's like you know what you're putting together and
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: then it falls flat every time or rarely does it
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: work in any.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 9: I think the beginnings of camp for me and I'm
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: not I haven't looked into it as a film history
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 9: thing but I think for me it was the fly
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: and you get to that help me it's like okay
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 9: how seriously am I supposed to take this but that
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 9: was sort of the beginning of horror camp for me
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 9: The problem with Horror Camp in relation to this movie
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 9: is in this movie, I was never scared of anything
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 9: that happened to anybody. It just didn't matter.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: I was really frightened when the cop had to kiss
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: one of the brothers.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: That was kind of creepy.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: That was unnerving, really.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 9: Those guys are just creepy.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: They're creepy.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 9: But funny. I don't know.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: It was one of those I hated them scenes. But
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: at the same time, by the end, I was just like,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: it's the only reason you're still watching, I think. They're
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: the only thing carrying it to that level that keeps
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: you involved.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 9: They added a little bit of life to it.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: Annoying, but life.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 9: I saw a stage production at U of K once.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 9: I think it was Laurent. And it was just terrible.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 9: But there was one guy in it who had to
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 9: light a candle in a scene. And he lit the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 9: match and got it to the candle and it blew out.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 9: And so he lit another and a wind just blew
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 9: it out. Then he tried another and it wouldn't light.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 9: Then he lit another, lit the candle and the candle
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: blew out. And it was, it was the best thing
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 9: in the play is watching this guy improvise, trying to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: deal with lighting a candle for five to 10 minutes.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 9: That guy's still around. I see him like sometimes around town. He,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 9: This was at U of K years and years ago,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 9: but I remember nothing else of that play except for
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 9: a guy trying to light. And that's what I think
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 9: the twins added to this movie is like there's some
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: little element of actual life in it. Because you can
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 9: see That they're trying to do something.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: Well, for me, it's just the weirdness factor isn't on
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: the screen. I'm like, they're just weird. They're not following
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: a script that says act weird here. They're just being themselves,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 9: Well, how many twins act together? It's like, yes, we'll
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: take this role. And they both commit at the same level.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 9: It's not like one twin was like, I don't know.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: That was weird. what is it stuck on you situation.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 13: You had the the twin who was the actor and
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 13: the the other one who was afflicted with.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: Stage fright yeah no neither of them had stage.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Nor did they nor were they conjoined unfortunately it.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: Might have been the only thing to make this a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: little more interesting.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 9: Um actually they were conjoined there was a lot of
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 9: cgi in 1980.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Um Yeah, so, yeah, but speaking of which, like, yeah, this,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: of course, had that wonderful ending where it turns out
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: they both together married the heroine. It happens. Wound up
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: with lots of little vampire chillins running around with their
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: own little capes and fangs.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 9: And those cheap Halloween wigs.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, they were great.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: That wasn't their real hair? Come on.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 14: Will someone please explain to me how that happened? I'm
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 14: really confused how we went from her being.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 9: It was the Bugs Bunny thing.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: It was the Bugs Bunny reverse.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: And then remember when he said, you wascally virgin, and
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: then he hit her with a big mallet, and then birds.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: It.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Makes as much sense.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 9: And then Wile E. Coyote painted.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: Don't drag him into this. Not Wile E., damn it.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: You actually were forbidden by his lawyer to mention him.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: There's been a falling out.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something about the bird taking his.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Taking his rights. But yeah, I know there were so
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: many little moments in this film that were silly and
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: goofy and they weren't like... The campy moments were... They
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: stood apart. But it's like there were so many moments
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: that just were goofy and I found myself sitting there being.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Like, what?
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Another one of them was definitely the intro image where
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: you had, as you guys recall, the statue of liberty
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: yeah this suddenly grows fangs like in the very beginning
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: of the film and you're and and that to my
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: mind it's like that's the kind of shot that's supposed
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: to set a tone for a film what the hell
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: is the.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Tone that yeah and then there's the scenes within the
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: scenes that also don't work like okay he's just introduced
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: the fact that the cop is also an actress and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: And they're building this up like she's this great actress.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: Having worked in theater for quite a while now, was
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: that not the most lackluster performance that she then turns
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: around in the next scene like, Oh, you mean in
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: the high school art show? Yeah, like she was barely
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: committed enough to get the words out. I was like,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: I thought we're supposed to be proving that she's not just...
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: She's really an actress. But the on-screen audience loved her. Yeah.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 13: So clearly she had some magic going on for them.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: In other scenes, she could almost pull off at least
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: a normal half-ass. She was still pretty lackluster the whole movie.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: But I'm like... better when you're over here not acting
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: acting within the movie and.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: Then there was one of the many perplexing interpretive dance
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: scenes that followed that where uh she had the scimitar
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: it was like a costume piece and then she started
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: slowly walking towards mama dracula as though she intended to
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: harm her stopped five feet away and then mama dracula
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: just kind of like took the sword away from her
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: just like grabbed it oh thanks for bringing that over
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: to me like There were so many scenes that just
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: seemed suffused with importance, and I feel like I just
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: missed the undertone completely.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: That one definitely had, like, they in their minds in
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: making this, that had giant symbolism, and Mama taking it
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: away really made a big difference where we were just like,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: what the hell is, why do we care?
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 9: It was like that Portlandia thing.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: This whole thing felt like a Portlandia thing.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 9: But there's a really, I think maybe my favorite Portlandia
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 9: thing is just Fred Armisen in a canoe doing an
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 9: interpretive dance with a paddle. And there are people sitting
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 9: on the bank of the river in chairs watching. And
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 9: there's no explanation for it before or after. It's just
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 9: canoe interpretive dance. And these are the people who go
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: see stuff like that.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: They're out.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 9: And he really commits to it. He looks like he
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 9: thinks he's doing something that is invested with some sort
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 9: of meaning or artistic... I don't know.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's, I think, part of what kind of
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: killed this movie was that when the twins were acting goofy,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: they looked like they were trying to act goofy. Yeah.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: That's the thing. It was way too self-aware in the campiness.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the people looked like they were
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: trying to be goofy, and then you had Nurse Ratched.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Who was just being Nurse Ratched. Deadpan.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: Deadpan's dick. With that accent.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Wilmer Fudd, Nurse Ratched. And then you had, who's ostensibly
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: a vampire, and then you had Little Miss Half-Ass strolling
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: in there at the end. So it was this weird,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: it was one of those like, okay guys, if you're
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: going to make a movie like this, all you have
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: to commit and act like you're doing this like semi-seriously
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: or you all have to, I don't know, do this.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 9: It kind of felt like some of the cast maybe
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 9: never met some of the other cast.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe they never spoke the same language.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: That might be true. Well, that's what really threw things
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: off for me is the one time in there where
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: Louise Fletcher makes a joke. In fact, it's probably one
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: of the funnier jokes in the whole thing. The horse, like,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: that was, like, if that was delivered by somebody else,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: the story about the gnarled old woman, if you remember correctly.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 9: Gnarled.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: She was gnarled, and she, like, her, like, even my
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: horse was throwing up. I'm like, okay, that's just a joke. Like,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: you're not telling a story. You put a zinger in there, and, like,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: you can't even deliver that.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 14: No, because I was actually imagining the horse throwing up.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it doesn't work.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: That's how, like.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 12: deadpan shoot you can't.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: Be deadpan the entire movie and then try to work
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: in somebody else's joke like oh my god that was
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: that was so weird she can't pull that off it
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: was almost as bad when she was like yes virgin
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: that's what i said i'm like okay now you're really
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: you're spelling out the joke we get it that it's
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: a joke but when they yeah yeah.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Uh she she definitely had a few check off moments
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: in there as i as i said she.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: Was looking for nuclear whistles oh god.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 9: So where jim She invited all the villagers.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: To the WAMP show.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: It never ceased to be ridiculous. No matter how many times,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: we're like an hour and a half in and I'm
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: still laughing at it. It never is not ridiculous.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: And just a weird fact, I wanted to throw this
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: out here. So the inspector, the other cop, the older guy.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was another cop.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: Born in Terre Haute, Indiana. Has never made a movie
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: in this country, but is huge in France. Again, the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: in France thing holds true. He has a massive career,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: is super beloved there, and is always the cop or
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: the American that shows up. He has a huge career,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: has never made an American movie. Born in Indiana.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Fred, I see you corking your eyebrow. It's not the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: fault of France.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 9: No i was blaming tara hote there you go another he.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 15: Blames france oh it's okay we can be racist against
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 15: hoosiers that's most people yeah i didn't grow up in
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 15: louisville so that was all new to me but my
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 15: wife was from around here so i always found that
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 15: i could like make her laugh with anti-hoosier stuff and i.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: Have no sense of it myself it.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Surprised me too i you know uh Down in Mississippi,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: where I'm from, of course, there's a very different kind
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: of racism that's quite apparent. But yeah, this Hoosier, anti-Hoosier
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: border patrols, I've never noticed before.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 12: It doesn't really make any sense.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 14: I mean, I am a Hoosier, but I went to
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 14: the same things and did the same thing. I didn't
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 14: grow up on an Amish farm and try to hang
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 14: out with all.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 12: The cool kids in Louisville, but I mean, they treat
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 12: me that way.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Um, but, uh, but yeah, no, I went up there
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: for a job once and I was just like, oh yeah,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: this is just lots of factories. Pretty much what I expected. Okay. Uh,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Kentuckiana, it's, it's a thing.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 9: Um, well, I kind of thought it was amusing when
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 9: I first went out on the, the river walk, the
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: new bridge thing and you, You get to the end
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 9: of the bridge, and it looks like nobody's told Indiana
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 9: about it yet. It's just, there's just a street and houses.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: Don't let them connect.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: And the bridge just stops there. Like, do they know
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: this is coming?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: I go there, and I look, and I go, hey,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: Marlena lived there.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah?
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 12: My bedroom window would have been right beside the bridge.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 9: Really?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: I moved.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 12: Actually, when I moved, I lived on the bottom floor.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 14: But every morning at 7 like they were jackhammering with
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 14: this huge machine into the earth and it would shake
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 14: the house which was like.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 12: This mansion this gigantic mansion built in 1868 and it's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 12: like shaking and I'm like it was horrible.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: See and I was hoping you moved just because like
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: you got tired of like guys looking in your window
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: walking out on the bridge.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 14: That was the construction workers they would like hang out
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 14: in my yard around my door just because I mean
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 14: they had an office in the front of the building
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 14: and one day one guy was like.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 12: Hey I like eggs for breakfast and I was like
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 12: you know like.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 14: That's really inappropriate since it's like morning time and you're
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 14: standing on my porch like that's really creepy.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Sir I'm gonna go get my gun that's my fault Sir,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: there's going to be some frontier justice if you're not careful.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 12: One of them tried to steal my cat.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Wow, these construction workers were really villainous.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 12: They were dicks, yeah. They were nice.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Brian, do we have anything else to cover with this film?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: There's a few odd random ones I was going to
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: throw out. Let's see. Moments like the daughter trying to
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: lose her virginity. That was a scene. The other scene
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: where she does. The beginning is just confusing enough when
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: she has an echo in her bosom. That's the only
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: logical thing I could come up with.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 14: I think the funniest, and I'm ashamed to say this,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 14: but the funniest part of the movie is when it's
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 14: focusing on her boobs and he goes, you have beautiful eyes.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Her name was Virginia.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: Jenny for short.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: But it's Virginia.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: And that was the guy who was like hardcore overdubbed
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: because there were scenes where he was just like shouting
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: and the words did not.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: Match at all.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: It was a Godzilla movie level of that.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: The scene later when the inspector comes along and takes
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: care of that. What the hell is all going on?
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: Like why? She was waiting for that Mr. Right to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: come along, but then it's okay for the entire bar
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: to go? Yeah, I was really.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 12: Confused about that.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: And then an explosion?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 12: And, like, none of these steps will do it?
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: Like, I'm confused.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 9: I don't know. And then when it just exploded, I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 9: was like, well, I thought that would happen.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 9: I don't know. Nothing makes any sense anymore.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 9: That was like a family guy things randomly blow up
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: in movies joke.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: Or the little girl with the underwear.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 12: That was disturbing.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: Somebody explain that. Why that needed to be there.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have this scene, for those of us
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: who have not seen the film, which I hope is
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: everyone who is listening to this. So the rapey scene
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: has just happened where the montage of women being abducted.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 9: From the WAMP dressing rooms.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Because WAMP is also not just a fashion show, but
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: also the clothing store that the two vampire boys work
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: at in broad daylight um and uh the and the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: wamp store we have all the uh the virgins being
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: abducted from the dressing rooms the virgins uh and one
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: of them is like a little and there's this one
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: little girl who's getting changed in one of the rooms.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: She's an unattractive annie basically.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah basically uh annie was anyway uh so you have
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: her she's like poking at the mirror and notices that
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: it's a door and And, like, you know, it's a
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: secret door, and so she pushes it open and, like,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: wanders into the darkness beyond, where then one of the vampires, like,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: unveils himself dramatically and campily in front of her with, like,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: full vampire fangs and whatnot. And inexplicably, in, like, I
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: gotta say, one of those shots that just makes me go, like,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: this is okay to film. Like, she reached down, picked
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: up the hem of her dress, and showed the front
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: of her panties, and on her crotch was a giant cross.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: And then he's just like, and then she turns around,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: lifts up the back of the dress, bends over, and
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: you see that on her butt there is a Jewish
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: star right there.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 9: Just to be sure we offend everybody.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: And at which point the vampire goes, and like runs away,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: as I recall, or something like that. He's deeply spooked
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: by Judaism.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't know. Again, I don't know what to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: do with all of this.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, they had the thing earlier where they
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 9: sort of like laughed off all the vampire, like the.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: State through the heart. The speedy child.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 9: The daylight.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: Not so speediness.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 9: Well, I was trying to construct some logic on my own.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: I thought, well, maybe it's like when they sprayed DDT
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 9: on mosquitoes and now all the mosquitoes are.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Like DDT resistant.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 9: So maybe vampires can go out in the day, but
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 9: like me, they just don't want to. Maybe it gives
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 9: them a migraine, but the ones that have survived in
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: the day are the ones who are like, yeah, we
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 9: can deal with it as That's what I was thinking about,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 9: and all of a sudden Annie was showing her panties,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 9: and I was like, I'm not prepared for this.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: So you're saying.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: That they're not used to Jewish holy symbols because they
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: don't see that many Jews. I guess they haven't built
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: the tolerance.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 9: Like, he had a tolerance for the cross. He could
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 9: reach out and take the silverware and disassemble the cross,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 9: but maybe... Star of David is just too much.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: It's like one of those complicated puzzle games.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Well, no, the worst part about it was that the
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: little girl had like this mischievous smile.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: On her face.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 9: She was having a good time.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: I was just like, woohoo.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: It's okay, she got smacked for it. I get to
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: be naked.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: For a stranger.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 12: That was beautiful.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 9: Actually, it seemed like the actress going, I get to
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 9: be naked in a film.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: Sorry the 12 year old actress yeah like who are
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: not even.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 9: 12 no she was i mean nine i i didn't
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 9: think that was acting she just seemed to be having
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 9: a great time.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah like getting undressed for this campy vampire guy yeah
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: uh she is like he's gonna play me some of
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: his queen cover songs on the acoustic later like you
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: know uh maybe maybe together we'll go catch a rush
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: show and they.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 9: Maybe did.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: Speaking of him turning around with his giant, dorky-looking plastic fangs... God,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: they were terrible. Okay, she is their mother, right? She's
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: also Dracula. Why does she never... Are we to assume
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: she's not a vampire? We see her drinking blood out
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: of a little martini. Yeah. Through many moments.
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  Speaker 9: They're vampires, but she's not a vampire.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: She never has fangs.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 14: I feel like they couldn't commit as to whether she
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 14: was like Elizabeth Bathory.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Or like.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: They had both kind of going.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 12: Vlad, Dracula, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I think the real answer is probably just like that
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: was in Louise's contract. She was like, those things hurt,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: I am not wearing them. If you want me for this,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 5: that's fine.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 9: That's the sense I got too.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: She was like, I'm an Oscar winner. Screw you guys.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: It's bad enough I'm here making this movie. I'm not
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: wearing those damn plastic fangs. I'm pretty sure that's how
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: it went down.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: They were like, oh no, we can't lose our star.
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  Speaker 1: Not for this film.
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  Speaker 9: We'll ride around it.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: They didn't.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: They just went, just don't mention it. Oh, that would
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: be actually interesting if they made a movie, but they
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: didn't know if they were going to get Louise Fletcher
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: in it or not. Because if you notice, she's in
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of scenes just by herself. What if they
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: just filmed a film and then at the zero hour
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: they were like, oh, we got Louise Fletcher. Awesome. And
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: then filmed a bunch of scenes to stick her in it.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: So it's plan nine, isn't it? My Dennis kind of
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: looks like Louise Fletcher. Let's see if we can make
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: this work.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 14: Isn't that how the cat, the It's Always Sunny in
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 14: Philadelphia do with Danny DeVito?
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  Speaker 12: Like they film everything and they add him in.
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  Speaker 5: He's not really there.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 12: No, I mean, he's really there, but he's only there
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 12: for like a day.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Danny DeVito-esque. Yeah, there was one dude who showed up
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: and was yelling all the time again.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 5: That was one of those scenes. I was like, why
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: is he getting different direction than everyone else in the film?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: Why did Danny DeVito show up and start responding to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: everyone talking with yelling and then leave shortly after appearing?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: Her lawyer showed up.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: And was yelling at everyone on set.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: She's filming.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: Well, pretend he's a psychiatrist.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: That makes no sense too and it's not like it's
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: explained or balances out with anyone else yelling for no
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: good reason.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 9: And then they have a narrator in the last three
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 9: minutes of the.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: Movie and so 30 seconds of narrator at the beginning
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: and then like they wrap up because they didn't know
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: how else to do it I mean here just read.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: This yeah anytime you have narration it's a sure sign
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: of you know really well told story um But, yeah, no,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: and they had that in the beginning and the end,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: I believe. In the beginning they showed the Louise Fletcher
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: made up as Countess Elizabeth, Erzabeth Bathory, or in this film,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Erzabeth Dracul, or Dracula. And then we have the exiting
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: narration that says, and they lived happily ever after. All
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: the vampires with, sorry, the bigamist actress slash cop.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 9: The actress cop.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Who married the two vampire twins and had lots of
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: little vampire kids with fake... hair and whatnot.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: And then I guess we assume.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 9: And then the guy who makes gold and takes photos.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: Just hangs out with You know, Mama Dracula.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she never makes him a vampire.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: He just gets old, yeah.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or apparently makes any other use of him. He's
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: just around to take pictures or something. Honestly, I thought
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: that was going to be the plot of the film
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: was like this... this dorky scientist guy getting seduced.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: By nurse ratchet they set it up kind of like
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: that and then they.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 12: Forget he was like a main character at first and
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 12: then they're just like oh oh yeah we forgot you're
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 12: still here.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: It really does it goes for like 20 or 30
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 5: minutes with like one scene with him and then he's
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: just in the lab looking at a beaker and then
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: they cut back to.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: The like you know you know harold lloyd isn't as
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: interesting as we thought he was let's just cut back
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: to the twins abducting women.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: He probably got a real job he's like look i'm
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: not gonna be here for these months so you can
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: bring me back and wrap it up later.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 12: You're assuming it took months to film this.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because they would stop production And they have to
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: scrape together some money. They only did it on weekends.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: It's just on weekends. I would love that in this
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: film if we noticed the main vampire's sideburns kept changing length.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: Well, I think by the end that he really is
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: just that old. It took him that long to finish.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 5: They started it in 1947 and then it came out
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: in the 80s. He really was that old.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: That's a movie that would almost be tolerable to me
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: is the idea of like, okay... goofy scientist like goes
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: to land of vampire it actually excuse me that's the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: other parody vampire movie they made which was dracula dead
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: and loving it did you recall with uh redfield he
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: had a strong redfield vibe uh no this is wrong
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: no this is wrong yes wrong me wrong me.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 14: Well and he was like set up to be like
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 14: at first you think he's gonna be like the protagonist
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 14: but then she's like i'll give you a million dollars
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 14: he's like Let's kill everyone!
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: Even he's the one like, what, do you want me
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 5: to be a murderer? And then he's like, I need
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: 30 women, like a few scenes later.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: And his body count keeps growing inexplicably. We never know
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: what he's doing, but he occasionally shows up and just
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: starts demanding more, like 40 bodies.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: Three. You'll get three and like it.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 12: This movie was just so wrong. It didn't follow anything.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 14: It didn't have a very concrete plot. But then again,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 14: it didn't follow traditional... like storytelling rules you know like
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 14: you kind of have to have like a character who
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 14: does this and you know it just it didn't have
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 14: we hit.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: This one over the head enough I think the only
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: thing to wrap it up this may have been the
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: funniest thing in it you did get the old lady
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: that he brings in at the end you did get
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: her name right his I guess grandmother.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 12: Character I thought it was his mom.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know she's like the nanny or whatever like
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: whatever she's supposed to be she's basically the grandmother like
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: character in her He refers to her as Graham Stoker.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I didn't get that.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's wrong. That's their most blatant... With the little
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: dangling portrait thing. Yeah, the portrait that was on a.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: It was supposed to be floating, I think, and it
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: just looked like it was dangling on its wire.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: One of the vampire boys actually was dangling. They had it. Oh,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 5: that's right.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 9: They were weirdly taunting him in the weird scene with
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 9: the clock.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 5: But he didn't notice that they were right above his
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: head and talking in their own horrible voices and not
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: Graham Stoker's voice. Why she would be talking to him
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: is a picture I don't know anyway.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Anyway, people, whoever's listening to this, take what we've discussed
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: here and go online and make a webcomic that will
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: be much funnier than this film ever was.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: It's two panels long.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: You can do it with the material we've given you.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: You have the technology. You can create something so much
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: more worth people's time than this film. Just reconstructing the madcap,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: psychedelic-fueled scenes. Psychedelic and cocaine-fueled scenes.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 9: And French.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that are in this film that we have regurgitated
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: for you. So please, please do that instead of watching
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: this film.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what else to tell them. I'll
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 5: thank you guys for showing up here and for attending
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 5: this wonderful event. Halloween-themed event.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 9: I think it's a tribute to the human spirit.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 5: Us showing up and making it all the way through.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 9: That this film exists and that we watched it and
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 9: have discussed it. It's just... I feel like we've accomplished something.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 10: We have.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: I feel that way every time we record.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: So is this our last thing that we're going to
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: discuss for tonight?
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: I believe so.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm going to throw out some things for
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: the alley, of course. We are recording, by the way,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: live via digital recording from the alley theater. and we
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: just have a few events coming up that I want
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: to let people know about we've got next week that's
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: going to be October 19th we've got this will probably
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: go up by that point actually so this will have
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: already happened awesome we're actually going to have a show
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: called Visual Ipecac and it's going to be a festival
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: of art by Satan and his brother Devin two real
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: people who are coming down from Chicago and joining.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: Us I believe Lindy is involved in that somehow. Yeah, Lindy.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 5: Lindy Lou Who. Who was just on here. You heard
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 5: her talking about her crazy cat paintings. Yeah, yeah. That
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: would be Lindy.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: That's going to be Lindy's thing. Anyway, that's going on
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: at the Alley. And that's something I'm looking forward to
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: hanging pictures for. We've also got... I say that actually seriously.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: And we've also got on the 26th, we've got the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Zombie Stampede coming up. That won't be taking place at
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: the Alley, but it will be... You can go online
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: to www.survivethestampede.com and learning all about the Louisville Zombie Stampede.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: It will be a terrifying event where you'll be chased
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: around in the woods by zombies and enjoy delicious beverages
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: at the end of your race for your life. And lastly,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: we've got coming up in December, we've got All the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: Who's in Whoville. This is a show that's going to
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: be our big blowout show for the end of the year.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a Christmas special featuring all of
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: the doctors from Doctor Who. collectively telling a Dr. Seuss story. Hence,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: all the who's in Whoville. Unless the Grinch steals your TARDIS,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: travels back in time, and steals your childhood joy, you
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: should come see this show. And I guarantee that you'll
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: have a good time. Anyway, looking forward to seeing people here,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: and thanks once again, Movie Meltdown, for joining us here
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: at the Alley.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: Thanks for letting us come and take over and put
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 5: together our first Halloween event. We'll see if we want
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: to be together and do more in the future.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: We'll find out.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 5: I think it was a lot of fun. The first
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 5: movie was really enjoyable. The one we didn't talk about.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 5: The one we didn't talk about. So the take home
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: here is go watch Chastity Bites. Otherwise, I think that
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 5: about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: same geek fee. Thanks for listening. How's that going?
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 9: I said horrible.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 12: My French R's are so bad, but I'm working on it.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 5: They're wary, wary men.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 12: Wary, wary.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: It saddens me very much.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 6: This movie.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 5: Every night when the moon shines bright, yes, I'm just
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: a slave.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm just a zombie of love.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'll follow her to her grave.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. In the midnight hour when I'm.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 7: Supposed to be sleeping, Jacqueline will call me.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: And I'll.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 8: She hypnotizes you when she talks.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 7: You know about the way she walks.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: And if you see.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 7: Her anywhere, then you better be there.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, Dr. Lena.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: I'm in misery.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: Dr. Lena.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: Now please set me free Now when the sun goes
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: down Knock your door and throw.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 5: Away the key Oh yeah And whatever you do Don't
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 5: go near that weeping.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: Willow tree Uh-huh. She's got shiny green eyes and jet
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: black silky hair. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: And when she smiles.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: With those long white teeth, man, you better beware.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: You are fucking kidding me.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: Ha ha ha.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: Ha ha ha. You are fucking kidding me. They had many,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: many children.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 12: I hope you haven't taken my stories too seriously.
• 2:08:13
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• 2:08:16
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• 2:08:19
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• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: Talk hard!