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The Late Debate | 14 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Good evening,
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  Speaker 1: it's great to have you company. I'm James McPherson with
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  Speaker 1: Joe Hildebrand and Michelle Stevenson. You would have heard last night...
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  Speaker 1: Joe talking about his son having a piano exam, but
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  Speaker 1: we learned this evening you're quite adept at tickling the ivories.
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  Speaker 2: I was, I think, very much in the past tense,
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  Speaker 2: but I did go... It's been very... I've been experiencing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of PTSD. This has been very triggering for
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  Speaker 2: me because my son has been doing piano lessons and
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  Speaker 2: I've just been completely ignoring him. And then I realised
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  Speaker 2: he's got an exam coming up in a week and
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  Speaker 2: he has not done any practice his whole life. And
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  Speaker 2: so now we have to... and sort of cram for it.
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  Speaker 2: And there is nothing, anyone who's done a piano exam
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  Speaker 2: will know, there is nothing, not even stressful, there is
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  Speaker 2: nothing more terrifying than a piano exam. Not a single thing.
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  Speaker 2: I would rather go over the top of the trenches
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  Speaker 2: in World War I at the Battle of Passion Day.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I love going to see DJs and live musicians,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not really one to tickle the ivories because
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  Speaker 3: I didn't grow up in upper middle class.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. I, and you know it. We were aspirational
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  Speaker 2: welfare class.
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  Speaker 4: Aspirational sure labour.
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  Speaker 1: Aspirational sure labour. Before we get into the show, I
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  Speaker 1: just need to know, if piano is like upper middle class.
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  Speaker 4: Of course it is.
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  Speaker 1: what' s a lower class instrument?
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  Speaker 4: The kazoo.
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  Speaker 1: The kazoo.
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  Speaker 2: You've heard it all here first. Once you get to
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  Speaker 2: the banjo, I think, might as well just take yourself
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  Speaker 2: straight to generally.
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  Speaker 4: It's deliverance.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: A new poll finds two-thirds of Australians believe parents should
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  Speaker 1: be allowed... to smack naughty children with a wooden spoon
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  Speaker 1: without being charged with assault is discipline, making a comeback.
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  Speaker 1: Mental health challenges are hammering the workforce, with a new
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  Speaker 1: study finding nearly three million Australians are considering quitting their
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  Speaker 1: jobs because of burnout. And a man killed after climbing
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  Speaker 1: into a tiger enclosure has sparked a debate about what
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  Speaker 1: people would do if they could intervene. Would you shoot
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  Speaker 1: a tiger to save a human life? A new poll
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  Speaker 1: has a surprising answer. We'll get to all of that shortly.
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  Speaker 1: But first, the Coalition's political graveyard is becoming One Nation's
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  Speaker 1: candidate list, with at least six former Liberal and Nationals
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  Speaker 1: MPs lining up to contest the New South Wales election
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  Speaker 1: in March. Catherine Deaves, the high-profile former Liberal candidate for Warringah,
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  Speaker 1: she announced yesterday she would run for One Nation. She's
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  Speaker 1: joined by former Federal Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and former
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales Liberal Upper House MP Lou Amato. There's
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  Speaker 1: Sean Gleeson, a former Nats candidate for Port Macquarie. There's
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  Speaker 1: Nathaniel Smith, former Liberal MP for Wollondilly. And Michael Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: who represented the Nationals in the Upper Hunter. So with
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  Speaker 1: the election still months away, I think we can expect
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  Speaker 1: more Coalition refugees to join the exodus. The Sydney Morning
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  Speaker 1: Herald had an interesting report today. They said that this
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  Speaker 1: was a problem, arguing it undermines One Nation's claim to
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  Speaker 1: be a party of outsiders. Maybe that's true, but... then
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  Speaker 1: don't many in the media also criticise One Nation for
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  Speaker 1: their lack of experience? You can't complain a party has
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  Speaker 1: no parliamentary experience and then complain when it recruits some
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  Speaker 1: people who have. The Coalition, meanwhile, might want to ask themselves, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: why so many of their former representatives are now looking
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  Speaker 1: for a new home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's true and it's the ultimate kind of paradox.
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  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate cash 22 and, you know, In many ways,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for the Liberal Party. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: else seems to have an answer, but I don't see
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  Speaker 2: how anything they do in one direction doesn't hurt them
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  Speaker 2: in the other. And again, if One Nation is just
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  Speaker 2: going to cannibalise all the conservative MPs out of the coalition,
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  Speaker 2: then it ends up just becoming the coalition under another
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  Speaker 2: name and it has to in some ways become more
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  Speaker 2: professional and more sort of polished to maintain that party
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  Speaker 2: discipline and that party machinery to win seats.
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  Speaker 1: Does it become the coalition in another name or does
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  Speaker 1: it become the true conservative party of Australia?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it becomes the true conservative party of Australia but
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  Speaker 2: either way whatever it becomes will not be enough to
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  Speaker 2: form government in its own right. It will still have
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  Speaker 2: to rely on whatever's left of the Liberal Party or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Labor or the Greens. I mean, Labor is
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  Speaker 2: losing working class votes to One Nation as well. That's
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  Speaker 2: my big concern because what if the Labor Party isn't
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  Speaker 2: the Labor Party?
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  Speaker 1: You're a Liberal councillor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of Liberals and Nats going over
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  Speaker 1: to One Nation?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think if people want to find a new home,
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  Speaker 3: you're welcome to go. But I think when we talk
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  Speaker 3: about conservative side of politics, there's a big difference between
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  Speaker 3: like fiscal conservatism and ideological conservatism. And then One Nation
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  Speaker 3: is drawing these people who are looking for these ideological arguments.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that the Liberal Party should not be
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  Speaker 3: concerned about that.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by ideological?
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  Speaker 3: Like being more concerned about, you know, things... Culture war.
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  Speaker 4: Like culture war issues and, like, trans issues.
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  Speaker 1: So you're a Scott Morrison camp where we... No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Never put me in a Scott Morrison camp. Do not
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  Speaker 4: put me in a Scott Morrison camp.
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  Speaker 1: But that's exactly the reason so many people rejected the Liberals.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Because Scott Morrison famously said, I'm focused on... the economy,
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  Speaker 1: not on culture issues.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that the pendulum is now swinging in
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  Speaker 4: a different direction.
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  Speaker 3: I think people are kind of, in this current climate,
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  Speaker 3: focusing on the economy. Because when you look at what
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  Speaker 3: the next election's going to be about, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be about cost of living, power prices, housing. All those
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  Speaker 3: things are incredibly important. And that's where liberals, true liberals...
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  Speaker 3: can really win votes if they knuckle down and they
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  Speaker 3: take control of what they're doing. And I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 3: I love that the Liberal Party is a broad church.
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  Speaker 4: I love that we.
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  Speaker 3: Have people who are conservative, people who are a little left-leaning.
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  Speaker 3: I love that we can have those conversations. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we should be forcing people out and too far
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  Speaker 3: to the right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that nails it on the head. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: whether you love it or hate it... The sheer... You know,
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  Speaker 2: John Howard, who I happened to... I've dropped the big name.
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  Speaker 4: We love Johnny. We love Johnny.
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  Speaker 2: He was an incredibly smart politician. He... There is nobody
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  Speaker 2: alive who knows the Liberal Party better than he does.
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  Speaker 2: And he has... He said very, very simply, the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party is a broad church. It is. And there is
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  Speaker 2: simply no way, mathematically... There is simply no way that
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  Speaker 2: the coalition can hold power. It's already in a coalition.
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  Speaker 2: It's already a coalition of two parties. There is no
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  Speaker 2: way that it can hold power unless the people inside
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  Speaker 2: it accept that it's a broad church and that not
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  Speaker 2: everyone is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: As conservative as they are. The question, Joe, is how
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  Speaker 1: broad can the church be before it's no longer a church?
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  Speaker 1: Before it just means nothing. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Until it becomes the uniting church.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I didn't want to say that, but that's very clever.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Michelle, you've outlined perfectly why the coalition will
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  Speaker 1: not recover in the polls, because people do care about,
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  Speaker 1: I care about cultural issues because this is my country. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I get that. I'm more than a part in the
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  Speaker 1: economy and I'm more than just concerned about my bank balance.
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  Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the kind of country we have. And
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  Speaker 1: for the longest time, the coalition seemed to have completely
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  Speaker 1: abandoned the field. Meanwhile, the left are very concerned about
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  Speaker 1: cultural issues. They say they're not. But they keep changing
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  Speaker 1: the culture and then accusing anyone who opposes them of
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  Speaker 1: wanting to start culture wars. The left win because they
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  Speaker 1: change the country to what they envisage. The coalition lose
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  Speaker 1: because they say, oh, we're just about the economy and
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  Speaker 1: everything else will look after itself. And clearly it does not.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the coalition is losing because the problem
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  Speaker 3: is they haven't been taking a hard stance on anything.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, they've kind of been in this
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  Speaker 3: no man's land for a very long time. I think
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  Speaker 3: the problem was Scott Morrison kind of set that bar
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  Speaker 3: of like he had that daggy dad kind of persona
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  Speaker 3: and like he was kind of a bit of this
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  Speaker 3: and a bit of that. He was a bit wishy-washy
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  Speaker 3: and that kind of didn't go anywhere and that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of where the coalition went wrong. with it but like
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day i do think that
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  Speaker 3: there is a space for this coalition if we get
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  Speaker 3: our ducks in a row like fiscally we're really good
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  Speaker 3: we we can run the economy we've got proven track
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  Speaker 3: record and i think that if people put at their
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  Speaker 3: faith in the liberal party i think we can really
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  Speaker 3: prove to them why we were good in.
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  Speaker 1: The first place you mentioned track record to the names
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  Speaker 1: that we brought up uh just at the beginning there
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  Speaker 1: people who have parliamentary experience joining one nation Does it
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  Speaker 1: help One Nation to have that experience? Because the knock
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  Speaker 1: on One Nation has been you don't know what you're doing,
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  Speaker 1: you'll get in there and won't have a clue. This
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  Speaker 1: clearly helps with that, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely does. And again, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: be a mainstream party and not just a party of protest,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to be a party that can potentially
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  Speaker 2: form government, that is an alternative government, you need political
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  Speaker 2: operators who know how the system works, who know how
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  Speaker 2: the electoral system works, who have the sort of community
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  Speaker 2: building strategies and techniques and connections where you can run,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a campaign in 76 seats.
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  Speaker 4: But some of them aren't.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: They've failed.
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  Speaker 3: And also we're talking about a party that in itself
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  Speaker 3: has hasn't set up its own internal machinations. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a party that has been able to run effectively as
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  Speaker 3: a party.
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  Speaker 4: It's a top-down operation.
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson says something and then Barnaby Joyce says, oh,
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  Speaker 3: did she say that?
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  Speaker 4: OK, OK, I'll go along with that.
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  Speaker 1: What you mean as opposed to Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanese?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not here to say
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  Speaker 4: that Labor's doing a good job. Of course not. But, like,
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  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they have the structure in place as
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  Speaker 3: of yet to run effectively.
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  Speaker 2: That's why Barnaby's there. Barnaby is not a loser. No,
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby's great. But despite everything that's been thrown at him,
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  Speaker 2: all the mud, he has got, you know... And sometimes
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  Speaker 2: he needs to phone a friend. To borrow a joke
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  Speaker 2: off Bob Carr, he could go door-knocking at New England
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  Speaker 2: just to try to find someone who didn't vote for him.
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  Speaker 2: He's super popular. He's obviously brought a lot of that
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  Speaker 2: to One Nation and he's brought... his political smarts as well,
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  Speaker 2: because the whole Barnaby, the kind of lovable buffoon thing
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  Speaker 2: is absolute bollocks. He's a really, really smart political operator.
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  Speaker 2: And so they are starting to do that. But again,
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  Speaker 2: the more they do that, the more they become just
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  Speaker 2: another party.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to wash off real quick the
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  Speaker 3: glean on One Nation. I think they're going to really
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  Speaker 3: show who they.
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  Speaker 4: Are at the polls.
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  Speaker 1: People have been saying that for a while now.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: They keep going well in the polls, but we've got
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  Speaker 1: to move on. We are going to move on.
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  Speaker 3: Now, do you think that slapping a child's face is acceptable?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I would say probably not, but it seems
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of Aussies apparently think it is. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the reason why this has come up is that Aussies
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  Speaker 3: are backing the wooden spoon discipline. Many of them are
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  Speaker 3: saying bring that back and that, you know, the idea
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  Speaker 3: of being charged for assault, you know, for hitting your.
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  Speaker 4: Child, we should get rid of it.
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  Speaker 3: This is because a mother is being spoken about of
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  Speaker 3: not being guilty of assault for taking a phone. In
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  Speaker 3: a new survey, 2,485 Queensland adults were asked to react
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  Speaker 3: to a mother's response to her 11-year-old daughter breaking a
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  Speaker 3: family rule by having her mobile phone in her bedroom
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  Speaker 3: after 8pm. Now, the results are very interesting because they
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  Speaker 3: show 92% of respondents said parents who grabbed the girl's
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  Speaker 3: hand tightly should not be guilty of assault, compared to 78%
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  Speaker 3: for a slapped thigh and no brews and 63% for
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  Speaker 3: a hit with a wooden spoon leaving no brews. I
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  Speaker 3: love how they're like, I know they're like really like
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  Speaker 3: putting this in there.
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  Speaker 2: In addition- What is it for an iron putter?
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  Speaker 4: For an iron putter.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's really prompting people to say that we need
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  Speaker 3: to change some laws. But look, for me, the idea that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I just think the days of hitting our
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  Speaker 3: children are gone. I grew up in a situation where,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you did get a rap on the knuckles
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  Speaker 3: and I don't remember it actually doing much for me
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  Speaker 3: apart from creating fear and kind of a disconnect from
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  Speaker 3: my parents because it kind of didn't really make you
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  Speaker 3: trust them or want to go to them with anything
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  Speaker 3: because you had this fear of being in trouble. And
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  Speaker 3: the evidence also suggests something really similar. that it actually
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  Speaker 3: alienates parents from their children and that sometimes the behaviour
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  Speaker 3: gets worse.
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  Speaker 1: I totally disagree.
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  Speaker 4: Of course you do.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the kids I've seen the most alienated from
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  Speaker 1: parents are the kids whose parents don't love them enough
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  Speaker 1: to discipline them.
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  Speaker 3: But I think there's a difference between discipline and a
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  Speaker 3: slap on the face.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, you're using the slap on the
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  Speaker 1: face illustration, which is pretty extreme, I agree.
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  Speaker 4: But almost half of the Aussies, they.
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  Speaker 1: Agree to it. Yeah, but you've got to read out
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  Speaker 1: the full example, which is she had her phone in
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  Speaker 1: her room. She refused to hand it over when the
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  Speaker 1: parents asked for it. And then she swore at her parents.
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  Speaker 4: You still don't get a slap in the face.
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  Speaker 1: I agree you shouldn't slap your kid in the face.
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  Speaker 1: But I can understand a mum whose 11-year-old stands there
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  Speaker 1: and calls her an effing whatever. I can imagine mum
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  Speaker 1: reacting and giving her a slap. It's probably not the
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  Speaker 1: worst thing that's ever happened to that kid. But the
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  Speaker 1: kid should certainly not get away with just swearing at
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  Speaker 1: her mother.
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  Speaker 4: No, of course not.
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  Speaker 1: A little time out.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the face of that threshold is a
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  Speaker 2: little time out.
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  Speaker 4: You're looking at me.
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  Speaker 3: You are goading me right now with a little time out. No, look,
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I have had these
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  Speaker 3: hard conversations with my son. He went through a whole,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, boys go through that whole testosterone phase, which
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  Speaker 3: can be really hard to navigate and really difficult. And
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  Speaker 3: there have been times where they just push you and
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  Speaker 3: push you and push you. And then I lashed out. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't lash out like that. And I lashed out
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  Speaker 3: by grabbing his arm. And afterwards I felt devastated by it.
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  Speaker 3: And I sat down and I had a conversation with
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  Speaker 3: him and I said, obviously I shouldn't have touched you
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  Speaker 3: in that way.
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  Speaker 4: I am so sorry.
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  Speaker 3: And he then, he used it as a way to
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  Speaker 3: apologise back to me. And he said, I'm sorry that I,
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  Speaker 3: so it was like a good.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a Byron Bay yoga retreat. LAUGHTER Am
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  Speaker 2: I being crazy? Look, I have... I'm going to do
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  Speaker 2: my usual thing that just makes me the most hated
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  Speaker 2: man in Australia and sort of say I kind of
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  Speaker 2: agree with both of you. A couple of times, I
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  Speaker 2: think once each with my two eldest, I have pulled
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  Speaker 2: them off very forcefully when they were attacking a younger one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: And even then they were just so shocked that I
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  Speaker 2: would sort of intervene and use my, like these days
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  Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't even have superior strength over my 13-year-old. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he was fine. And my nine-year-old daughter did
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  Speaker 2: it when she was all over the six-year-old and harassing her.
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  Speaker 2: And it does, it makes you realise, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 2: like I am, you know, you do have that incredible
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  Speaker 2: power of life. I'm glad they were shocked and it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't just another day at the office. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, my mum, my mum, she's becoming my mum,
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  Speaker 2: My wife.
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  Speaker 4: The Freudian slip right.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: She once slapped Henry for something. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: when he was about to run out on a road
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you want someone to remember that pretty severely. I
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  Speaker 2: think as long as you're doing it in a loving way,
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  Speaker 2: not in an angry way, but in a controlled way.
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  Speaker 4: You need the control. It can't be a reaction thing.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing to me is that the people who
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  Speaker 1: conducted this survey were shocked that so many Australians think
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  Speaker 1: it's OK to give your kid a clip over the ears.
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  Speaker 1: They investigated who actually did the research and why they're
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  Speaker 1: so shocked. And the people who did the research are
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  Speaker 1: actually experts at violence against women and children. So I
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: think if you come at the subject of smacking children
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: from a position of abuse, you're only going to find
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: reasons to be concerned.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Quickly, the difference is one of intent. Obviously, when I
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: smack my child, it's to correct behaviour, not to hurt
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: them or to intimidate them. There's a difference of force.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: When I smack my child, it's deliberately limited and measured
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: rather than just, you know, wanton. And the emotional context,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: as you said, I mean, I smack my kids because
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I love them.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's not out of anger. I mean, the worst hidings,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: the worst smacks, that Joe and Ben ever got, and
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: they'll tell you this, they said the worst thing was, Deb,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: when you didn't smack us immediately, but when you said,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: when we get home, you will be smacked. But that
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: was the best for me then, because by the time
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: we got home, I wasn't angry now. Now, I'm smacking
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: you because you need to learn and you need correction.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: But there's more efficient ways of doing it.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I used to get things like, for every mistake I made,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: it was one night television I could not watch. And
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: when you grew up in regional Australia not being able
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: to watch television, you were like, that was, like, devastating
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of like the same thing with my son.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Like, now we, like, threaten to change the Wi-Fi password.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a similar technique where I threaten absolutely
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: everything under the sun.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: And do none of it.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Never, ever follow through.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: No, you were the worst.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: And eventually just buckle and give them whatever they want.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I see that. Despite all this, they're still incredibly spoiled brats.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what more.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: What do I have to say? I've seen versions of
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you in the shopping centre aisle and kids running crazy. Oh,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I am just... I'm going to count to three.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going to count to five.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to count to three. I'm going to count
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: to ten. I'm going to count to 100.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: You're like, here, just take all the cash.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: At any time, they're just crawling all over me, just
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: stuffing my pockets with lollies.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Now, how's this? This will give everyone watching a nice, pleasant, calm,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: inner glow, I think. Students are charging taxpayers... $ 50, 000 a
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: pop for arts degrees. No, they want to. Oh, sorry.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: They want to.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They want to.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Students and academics are asking taxpayers to pick up the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: bill for $ 50, 000 arts degrees. Now, you might remember that
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: the Morrison government a few years ago said... Why are
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: we sending all these kids to school, to university, to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: get arts degrees when they are absolutely, totally useless? They
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: don't qualify you for anything. Just look at Joe Hildebrand.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And what kids should be doing is doing science, technology,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: engineering and maths. STEM subjects where there is this huge demand.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense. And we don't have enough people
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to do it. And it absolutely makes sense. And it
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: was too late for me. Otherwise, I would have gone
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: back and got my degree in mechanical engineering. And so...
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: They changed the fee structure so there was much more
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: financially attractive to do things that we really needed, like
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: maths and science, and not things that were just basically
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a bit of a wank or a sort of chancer
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: where you're where it only sort of obliquely contributed to
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you getting a job. I mean, we do not need
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: any more journalism graduates. Thank you very much, guys.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, we do. We need good ones.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure the good ones come from the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: J school somehow. But, no, it's a lot of great
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: kids I've spoken to. We've got a great cadet program
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: here at News. But, anyway... So here's a quote from
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the National Tertiary Education Union, which is a great union
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that was founded in that other great union, the Soviet Union.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: New research from the National Tertiary Education Union shows fees
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: for students in communication, society and culture courses have jumped 113%
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: since the Job Ready Graduate Scheme was introduced in 2021.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Yes!
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: That's what it was meant to do. That was the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: whole point of it, to make the useful degrees cheaper
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and the useless degrees more expensive. Anyway, going on from
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph article, created by the Coalition under Morrison government,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: maintained by Labor, the scheme aims to push students toward
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: public benefit fields such as science and technology by making
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: them cheaper while raising the cost of other more generalist degrees.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So everything is doing exactly what it was supposed to do.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: The scheme, as intended, is working to fill the gaps
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: and the National Tertiary Education Union is furious because they're
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a bunch of commies.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Isn't the question here, how can it cost, you know.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: $ 50, 000.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: For any sort of degree? Why is university education so
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: damn expensive? One of the reasons is because 24 universities
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: have five or more executives earning more than the New
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: South Wales state premier.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: It's insane.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Surely they can cut costs and they should be made
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to cut costs because for the federal government to give
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: $ 25 billion every year to universities, we've got a HECS
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: debt outstanding of $ 67 billion, most of which will never
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: be repaid by people. I mean, it's just obscene, the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: fees that are charged for university.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the lecturers get paid an exorbitant amount, which
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I don't mind because the odd time I have had
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: to stand in and lecture, it's, like, quite nice money. But, like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: it is a lot of money. When I went to university,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I went at the time where if you paid your...
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: your fees up front, you got a discount. So I
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: didn't end up getting a hex debt. So I was
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: fortunate that I'd saved up and, you know, I was
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: able to do that. But at that point, it wasn't
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: as expensive as it is now. And I will counter
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: this fact. I do understand why Scott Morrison did this.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: But then for me, we are losing... we're losing out
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: on thinkers and people who are studying journalism degrees.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: And what's going to happen.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They're just learning groupthink.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: But, like, the problem is, too, then you're... So say
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: you want to be a journalist... the only people who
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: can afford to be journalists are upper-midder class people. So
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: then we're losing out on people who might actually be
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: good in the field or have actual genuine stories to
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: tell that might represent the place where they come from.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I just think it's creating difficulties and boundaries.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I've found.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense, though?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not sure if university at all is
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the answer to that. And, again, I speak as someone
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: who went to.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I loved university.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So did I. I went there. I loved it. I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: had the best time of my life. I got into
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: absolutely everything. I got into politics. I got into theatre.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And I got into, obviously, journalism. I ran the student
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: paper with, you know, other editors. And that's what gave
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: me my love of journalism. And it was that hands-on
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: experience in actually putting.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: And you meet people just like you.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And it was absolutely fantastic. And I met people just
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: like me. And we were all effing idiots. We had
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: no idea what we were talking about. Our politics, obviously
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I was ravingly left-wing. I was a student socialist, the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: whole box and dice. And then gradually I sort of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: got up, got old, I moved to Sydney, got my cadetship,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: went out in the real world and gradually got more
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and more experienced as to what the world was actually like,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: learnt all my journalism on the job, so I never
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: actually had a degree, so I don't... didn' t have to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: write a PhD about the ethics of journalism or the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: theory of journalism. You just go out and do it
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and learn as you go.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And that's how I became the incredible, sensible person I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: am now who is right about absolutely everything.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: So it's the university's fault.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: So, now, you are literally the person who's told not
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: to send anyone to university.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: No, I think the problem, though, now, and I think
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it's also the rise of social media, is that you
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: go to university, you mix with these crowds, and there's
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: still plenty of people I... went with at university, I
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: still see occasionally, who are still exactly the same and
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: think the same things. Yeah. And that just blows my mind. But, again,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: if you live in that sort of cloistered environment where
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: everyone thinks the same, you will do it. But I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: think that is, for most people, what university fosters. And
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the other thing is, in the old days, protest movements,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you know, that was a day at the State Library
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: or a day outside Parliament. Yeah. With social media now,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it is everywhere all the time. And so you also have...
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind the kids doing it, but
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you also have the boomers... who are becoming, like, radicalised
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: now that they're 65 and living in their.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And you've got university administrations who do nothing to correct
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: this or stop this.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: They couldn't care less what's happening on campus, but the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: moment anyone talks about touching their funding, all of a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: sudden they're very motivated... Absolutely... to be involved.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I just think the whole university's tertiary education system needs
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a complete overhaul.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I agree. That's right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And I tell you what, courses could be reduced in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: cost if they just took out some of the DEI stuff.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, my son... studying physiotherapy, had to do courses
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: on Indigenous culture. What it has to do with physiotherapy,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I do not know, but it was compulsory as part
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of every course. I mean, just get rid of that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and you'll at least save a little bit of money.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Speaking of money, companies are paying an absolute fortune for
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: staff members taking months off at a time to deal
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: with mental health issues. A new study by Alliance Insurance
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: has found nearly 3 million people in this country are
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: are considering quitting their jobs next year or taking time
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: off because they need to deal with burnout and mental distress.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: The main reasons for mental health breaks given work stress,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that's 36% of people who need mental health breaks.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Stress of actually having to do work.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: It's stressful. They want to be back at university. Bullying
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and harassment, 31%. That's just people who haven't learned to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: deal with conflict. Workplace violence.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: That's 14%.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Words are also violent. For people who were never smacked
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: as children. And personal financial stress. This one struck me
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: as strange. 43% of people want to take a break
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: from work because of personal financial stress. Won't that only.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Give them more financial stress?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I know I'm only an art student, but I think
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: work more, get more money.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I would have thought so.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Stop work. Well, I don't know.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Under the Labor government, the more you work, the less
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you actually earn.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: So I get it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Very quickly, here's the worst sectors for mental health claims.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: The education sector, it's not a surprise to me. 54%
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of claims come from the education sector.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the NTAU is experiencing a mental breakdown because arts
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: degrees now cost more than science degrees. So imagine how
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the rest of the sector is feeling.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: The health sector, 15%. Public administration, 9.3%. Retail, 3.2%. And manufacturing, 3%.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: The average person takes three months off when.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: They take a mental health break. Just look at this.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So the people who are on their feet all day
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: facing the public, and we did a massive campaign on
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the abuse that retail workers get, and it is through
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the roof, right? So these guys, they're on their feet
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: all day. They're working for absolutely nothing, often minimum wage.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: They have a tiny report... of mental health. Likewise, manufacturing,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the people who do often the physically hardest work, actual
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: blue-collar workers who do all the grunt work and keep
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the country moving. Because they're hard. Yes, because they're hard,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: because they don't have time to worry about.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: All this crap.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: No one does.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: They're just getting on with it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And then education, health, public administration. Oh, it's so hard
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: being a public administrator... First in the morning, you've got
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to put on your brown cardigan. Then you've got to
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: go to work in your ergonomic shoes. Then you've got
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to sit in your ergonomic chair. Then you've got to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: fill in files and fill in forms and, you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: tell people at the front office that the back office
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: can't process this in time. That must be stressful in
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and of itself.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Safe Work Australia have said
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that serious claims of mental health and stress... have increased 169%
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in the decade from 2014 to 2024. Why are we
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: seeing so many workers taking mental health breaks?
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I can tell you why. There's an interesting synopsis.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Well, Scott Galloway, who's this incredible US podcaster, talks a
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: lot about this. And what he says is the demise
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: of basically corporations, particularly in America, and then you're seeing
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: it trickle down to places like Australia, is the ballooning
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: effect of HR. As soon as you bring HR into
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: any company, you're going to see a lot of systems
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: put into place to save people from mental health, bullying
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: like this and that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: It literally destroys culture.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It makes people feel like they have something that they
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: need to worry about or something that they should be
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: worried about. And it's really destroying corporate America and it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: starting to destroy corporate Australia.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Get rid of HR.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely true. And that's why it's only in work.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, white-collar environments where this is absolutely ballooning. In
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: physical jobs where you're actually too busy to even think
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: about it and you don't care and you go home.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: You know the only places in these corporations where they're
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: getting more workers is HR.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: HR is ballooning. Everywhere else is getting smaller.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And also in the workplaces where they're always sending out surveys.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: So many surveys. So many surveys. I'm sick of a survey.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: People would just be sitting there saying, you know, have
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you ever experienced workplace bullying? And it would never have
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: occurred to you beforehand that you haven't.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: No, I know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, maybe.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Let me think. Oh, let me remember. Maybe that thing
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Ray said to me in the tea room was a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: bit racist.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And that's the problem.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: And then now you can't have any conflict as a
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: manager in any of these places because you could be
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: misconstrued as being a bully.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: It's all out of control.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And then relationships become completely abnormal and weird and you
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: can't behave like a normal person.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: No wonder there's so much.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, I'm always, like, warning people not to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: come past the newsroom because we're going to say something
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: that absolutely offends people.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I can't even slap James on the arse anymore.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just political correctness gone mad.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Really? He lets me. Anyway.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Moving right along. There's an HR claim coming right after
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: So over in the UK, something a little bit more sombre,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: but interesting has come out of it. So recently you
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: would have.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Seen that someone climbed into an enclosure for a tiger
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: in a UK zoo.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And what happened?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: The tiger attacked that person. That person unfortunately died. Now,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: someone raised this and it was really interesting. A UK
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: journalist raised it as a poll of like, why do
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: we have zoos? But then someone took it further and
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: went on X, good old X, and did a poll
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: that was, should UK zoos be shut down after man
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: mauled to death by tiger? But he changed it to,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: a person willingly enters a tiger enclosure and approaches the tiger,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The tiger begins mauling the person. You have a gun
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and the ability to take a clean shot at the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: tiger to save the person's life.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: What do you do?
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: And, well, wouldn't you know, shoot tiger, save person, only 46%.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Don't shoot, person dies, 54%. And this was over 23,000
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: people voted in this poll. And I know that you're
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: going to be aligned on this with me, Jo, because
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I think in some instances human life is way more
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: important and that's when it comes to sharks.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I've got to interrupt. You said in some instances human
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: life is more important. OK, well, no. Are there any
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: instances where human life is not more important?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Actually, you got me there.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: No. Okay, I'm going to say this one.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'm divergent.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just like, I had to think about it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, is there instances? No, I think we are
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the race.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I'm splitting.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I'm saying if you deliberately go into a tiger's enclosure
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and basically lie prostrate in front of it or, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: entice it to... come towards you or whatever, but if
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you put yourself right in front of the tiger. It's
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: not the tiger's fault if it just does what Mother Nature.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: No, the question is not whether it's the tiger's fault.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: The question is would you... Even though this person is
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: doing something stupid, would you intervene to save themselves from
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: their own stupidity?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I think it would be very difficult. I should start
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: by saying that... But.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Firefighters go into burning buildings to save people in houses.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Even though they've gone to sleep with the candles. Exactly.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of the same thing.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I understand that. No, but I don't think you are still... Yeah,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I suppose, but you're not killing something else.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But you want to kill the sharks.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: You want to kill sharks, though.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Sharks are ugly, horrible, one-eyed fish. A tiger is a magnificent,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: noble beast of the forest. Well, look, I should confess,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the tiger is my favourite carnivore.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Tell me what you think of this, because I looked
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: at the comments underneath this poll, and I was taking
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: note of which comments had got a lot of support.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And one of the most popular comments was, 8 billion people,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this tiger is particularly rare, losing one person, negligible.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's very utilitarian.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people, it is completely utilitarian. A
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people liked that comment and said, yeah, we agree. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: It's a great sentiment as long as you're not the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: person being missed. The tiger is innocent and to be
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: even more sort of just stone cold rational about it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: if someone goes in there, either A, they actually want to,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: They want the tiger too or they're so out of
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: it that they don't think the tiger will.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: But I do think.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Either way, it's not the tiger's fault.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But when you're looking at a poll on social media,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: it takes, like, no-one... People have a real lack of
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: empathy when it comes on social media.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: So they're going to say anything I think.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I think if they were faced with the dilemma, if
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: they're standing there in that moment, I think people would.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Their immediate reaction would be to save human life.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I had an ex-girlfriend who was.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: You did not want to save her?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, who was such an animal, just a full-on
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: animal liberationist. And she truly believes, and I bumped into
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: her even just a few months ago, and she said
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to my beloved wife, she said, I believe that a
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: human life is no more valuable than an ant's. My
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: life sort of changed circles a bit after that at
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the party.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I thought so.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But she's, you know, you've got to respect the absolutism.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: We love animals, but always... Look after the human beings.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: All right, and let's now get to the true source
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of culture and human celebration in society, which is, of course,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the local pub. And the Australian Hotels Association has made, well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it might have shocked a few people, given that we're,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you know, dinky-dye Aussies here in Australia, but it's made
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a pro-migration move with a new advertisement saying we need
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: immigrants in this country because they work in our bars
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: they work in our kitchens there's massive shortages of chefs
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and stuff especially in the country um so uh have
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a look at this ad which is again going to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be maybe the first event who's it against is it
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the government for cutting is it the coalition is it
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: one nation they're saying it's not such a good idea.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Might give it a go what's the worst that could happen.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, right. Okay then, I suppose that's me. Adios. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: have to go now, Arthur. I'll miss our chats.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I'll miss you, love. What's a bloke have to do
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to get a coffee around here? Where's Sven?
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Gone back to Sweden. Half the kitchen too. Where the
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: hell's all the fruit?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Still on the trees. Pop, can I get an apple?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe for Christmas.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: There you go. I don't know about you. but I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: do not want to live in a world with no beer.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I don't care how many, you know, just bring them all.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: If the beer's going to stop, bring them all. But
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: it did remind me, there could be a way, I think,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to solve this problem in Australia. I think, because a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: lot of people say, as Pauline Hanson does, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: why are we bringing all these workers together from overseas
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: into Australia.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Australia's good work.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: We could just use this kid's dad.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, look.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: My dad is the fruit of the coconut eyes.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: To make the cordial.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: That I like best.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: My dad is the.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Fruit of the coconut eyes. To make the cordial.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: That I like best. My dad is the fruit.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Of the coconut eyes. To make the cordial.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That I like best. Kids deserve Cottie's cordials. Cottie's, with
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: a great taste of 25% fruit juice.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: So there you have it. All that cordial produced by
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just one kid's dad.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that he's working anymore. That's the problem.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's retired.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: He's retired, and so now we need more people.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: We've got to get that guy back. We're going to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: go to a break. When we return, we'll look at
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what's making headlines tomorrow, including a lot of small businesses
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: are struggling. The small business minister is not struggling at all.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: We'll tell you after the break how much money she's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: spent on international travel over the last little period. That's next. OK,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the government in all sorts of trouble, Michelle.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, on the front page of The Oz, Sting in
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the PM's tail. Now, Anthony Albanese has drastically watered down
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: his boast of being personally responsible for reversing the tax
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: office credit card ban as he denied undercutting Jim Chalmers,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: with Labor MPs privately complaining that internal morale is at
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: its lowest level since being swept into government more than
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: four years ago. The government's midterm blues escalated on Wednesday
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: after a key budget savings measure was defeated in Parliament,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: with the Coalition and the Greens striking down Labor's proposed
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: $ 3 billion rebate hike on private health insurance for over 65s.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think that this is going away anytime soon.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I know you seem to know a bit about this.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Do you think there's something in it?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I think that... Anthony Albanese and Jim Chalmers make a
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: terrific team, just like Bob Hawke and Paul Keating did.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Labor yes, man.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: There was never any tension there.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Labor yes, man.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: There was never any tension between John Howard and Peter Cassell.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is we're starting to get leaks
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: about Cabinet meetings, leaks about... ministers having to sit down
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and talk through why things are so messy, the Prime
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Minister being annoyed at having to constantly correct missteps from
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: his ministers.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I think there is a problem where I think Anthony Albanese,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: to his credit, runs a genuinely sort of cabinet-style sort
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: of consensus form of government, and that's very deliberate because
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: when Kevin Rudd ran one, you know, the famous kitchen cabinet,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that caused all the ministers to revolt against him and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: he was a dead parrot. And so Albo does give
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: his ministers quite a bit of leeway. That means when,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know, they make decisions or whatever and he's not
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: necessarily 100% across them, although, you know, most of the years,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: but PMs are often overseas, you know, trying to solve
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: big overseas problems, something's happening back here, that, you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: he then does have to come in and say, all right,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: this actually won't fly politically. And again, it's a Treasurer's
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: job to look at the bottom line and how much
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: money we can rake in. A Treasurer's job is to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: collect revenue. That is prime, not to spend money, to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: collect revenue. And the PM's job is to keep the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: government in power.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: But is there a world where this is somewhat true?
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Because, you know, the government's on the nose.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: They're taking a beating in the polls today. Even the
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: PM is, like, in his own seat not doing too well.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: And so blame has to fall somewhere. And a lot
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of it's coming out of the budget.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: The last place blame should ever fall, and Neville Rand
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: always said this, is the Premier. So every minister has
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to go before the Prime Minister has to go. Yeah,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: that's right. So I think, you know, has Jim been
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: thrown under a bus? Maybe a bit. But also he's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: made some pretty.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's terrible.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: The budget was pretty bad document. Like, for someone supposedly
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: as politically savvy as Jim is.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: In one word. Is the government rattled? One word.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Probably not enough.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: That's about as close to one word as you.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: can get. Perhaps you need a bit more rattle.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: OK, sticking on the odds, state Liberals in bid to
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: sideline One Nation. Now, the Victorian Liberals will hold off
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: on preference negotiations with One Nation until nominations close next
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: month as Jess Wilson seeks to sideline Pauline Hanson's party
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: and make the election a straight contest between the Coalition
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: and Labor. Multiple Liberal sources who were not authorised to
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: comment publicly... said preference talks with all parties would begin
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: after nominations closed on November 9, describing the timetable as
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: standard practice.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Now, the Liberals are expected to preference.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: One Nation ahead of Labor and the Greens in most
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: seats while reserving the right to withhold preferences from candidates
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: over unacceptable conduct or views.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I think this is the right move here.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I do think there should be a little less conversation
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: when it comes to preference deals between Liberals and One Nation,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: it's going to happen.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: We know it'll happen. But I think Jess Wilson is
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: making the right move.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: A little less conversation.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: A little more action. I don't know how you can
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: do preference deals until you see who the candidates are.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Well, exactly. And that's the problem here. So I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: she's right.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I think inevitably there is going to be a preference
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: deal We know that... as there is with the Greens.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Labor doesn't like the Greens, but we have to deal
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: with them. The Libs might not like One Nation, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you have to deal with them.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Greens are part of your coalition, just face it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: They are not part of our coalition.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Greens are part of the Labor coalition.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: You despise the dirty little smelly hippies. Well, why do you.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Take them on board every single opportunity and form government
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: with them?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I would rather a world in which we've got Liberal
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: preferences than Greens preferences.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I think that makes way more sense.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And, indeed, it was the Liberals who preferenced... Adam Bant
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in the seat of Melbourne when he first got elected
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: by defeating whoever it was that was going to replace
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Tanner.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And you wonder why One Nation are popular. Let's look
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: at the Daily Telegraph.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Daily Telegraph, greatest newspaper in the country. And speaking
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: of junior ministers being thrown under the bus, meet the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: small business minister who's been travelling the world while Aussie
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: companies crumble. Well, she's been thrown under a plane, I guess,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: is more the point. Plane Wrong, a great exclusive by
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Jessica Wang. Small Business Minister Anne Ali billed taxpayers more
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: than 150,000 bananas to visit nine countries over the last
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: 17 months, while thousands of companies went bust, went thanks
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to soaring rents. power bills and insurance costs. It has
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: not been a good week.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: For Anne Ulley.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: She has been taking the hits.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And it's only Tuesday.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: She's taken a lot of hits.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: She is the one who has taken the hit for
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Department handing out the grounds.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Why does the school business minister need to travel overseas often?
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: I don't understand. And also, like.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: She's the one who's been rabbiting on about how she
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: understands how tough it is for small businesses, and yet
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: she's just splashing the cash, unlike a small business, because
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: a small business has no cash to spare.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's representing small multinational businesses.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Who are in Dubai.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Front page of tomorrow's Herald Sun revealed Victorian taxpayers will
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: fund up to $ 1, 000 per termination, including surgery and travel
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: costs under Carroll election pledge, will pay... For abortions, reads
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the headline. Ben Carroll has vowed to make abortions free
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: for Victorian women, committing up to $ 1, 000 per procedure in
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a $ 30 million spending blitz that Labor hopes will wedge
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: opposition leader Jess Wilson. on reproductive rights. Nothing like using
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: unborn children in the womb to try and wedge your
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: political opponents. What a grub.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And also, this is the same government that has made
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: it free for IVF. So you can have free children
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: through IVF and then you can, like, pick a lane.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I don't understand.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's a weird one. He's a good Catholic boy, I believe.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I think he's from the Shoppies Union.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Never let your commitment to the Labor Party get in
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the way of your Christian faith.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: LAUGHTER Oh, got to do what you got to do.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Although perhaps not this.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast Bulletin has just an incredible story. It's pretty gross. So,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: you know, if they've got any kids.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: So incredibly gross.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: If you've got any kids up at quarter to 11
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: at night watching The Late Debate.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Give them a smack and send them to bed.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Give them a smack and whack them with James McPherson's putter.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Anyway, as we go on.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Don't take parenting advice from me. But this is just
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: really creepy. I haven't... Anyway. Man takes advantage of hopeful
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: mothers he met on Facebook. Doctor filmed donor sex. A
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast doctor has admitted to secretly filming sexual encounters
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: with hopeful mothers organised via an unregulated sperm donation Facebook
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: group with one of the women telling a court of
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: her emotional turmoil after falling pregnant to the man. Molendinar man,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Dr Jason Movshevich, 32, a junior doctor at Gold Coast
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: University Hospital, who is currently suspended, pleaded guilty in Southport, Australia.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: magistrate's court. I have a one-word review for that story,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and indeed, it is the last two letters in the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: word review. Ooh! Oh, it's terrible.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That's a horrible story. We're going to go to a break.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: When we come back.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I'll leave you with that image.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: You think political candidates here in this country are bad?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Wait until you meet the Democrats' newest candidate. Talk about ghastly.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: You will not believe how bad she is. That's next.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Whatever happens in upcoming elections around Australia, you will never
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: find a candidate as bad as Jamie West, the Democrat
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: running for a council seat in Indiana. Have a listen
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to this council candidate during a election forum filmed overnight.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: But then there's these maggots who are just racist and
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: aren't very intelligent at all. They call you names.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: They....
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: You don't share a nephew trying to blow my head off. But,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: you know, what are you going to do? Well, that
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: brings us to your opportunity to say just a few
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: last words to the voters. We have guns, too.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Now, surprisingly, she hasn't done any interviews since then, despite
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the fact everybody wants to talk to her and find
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: out what the hell was going on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I've got to say, it reminds me a little bit
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: of some of my council meetings as well.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: A lot of councillors like.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: The Waverley Council do tell.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: The Waverley Council action over there. We have guns too.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Reminds me of that old showbiz maxim, never go on
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: live television when you're having a stroke. Speaking of.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're having now?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I know, it feels like it. Speaking of pretty forgettable,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: do you know my very first appearance on what was
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: then Sky News was after a state election debate and
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: someone asked how I thought the Premier had gone. I said,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I think Morris Yemma was a bit nervous. Anyway, this
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: press sec I think may also have been a tiny
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: bit nervous. You've all seen the grabs of Katie Zachariah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: the poor old Former Fox News correspondent who has gone
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to become Donald Trump's press sec and had an absolute
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: shocker of a first day. You've seen everything, but maybe
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you haven't seen this.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: The idea of not spending evenings with my kids is
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: completely unacceptable.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: So my president, excuse me, my husband.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. My husband is out here for
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: the week. Where did she pass the bar exam?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Which state? Where did she pass the bar exam?
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Now, my geography is not what it used to be,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: but is China.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: One of the United States of America? No.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: It's part of Australia, isn't it?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: No, we're part of it. We're the Zhejiang Southern Province.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: But just seeing President Trump's face, he was like, even
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: he was like a bit dumbfounded. I think, you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I'd be surprised if she doesn't last much longer.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: What's that song, Regrets? I've had a few. I think
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that's what Trump was.
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  Speaker 2: Singing in his mind. Why was she thrown? She only
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: left Fox a couple of days ago or whatever. Why
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: is she thrown under the bus so quickly?
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  Speaker 4: She's terrible.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: There's a very big bus.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: She's terrible.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Anyway, moving along to Mark Zuckerberg, everyone's favourite geek.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Who knew that he was not very good at drinking beer?
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: He was on a beer podcast and here's him awkwardly
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  Speaker 3: choking down a Guinness.
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  Speaker 5: I was actually talking about this at dinner yesterday. My
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: favourite thing is I have my muse, whose name is Euler,
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: constantly source increasingly obscure teas from increasingly I mean.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: You can understand why he invented Facebook. That man is
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: socially awkward.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: What was so bad about it? He's chewing it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: He's like, look at him. It's Guinness.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: There's a steak in every glass. It's basically a solid.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: No, look at him.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: You can tell he's looking for an exit, a way
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: to not have to do this anymore.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Clearly he did not like it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: He did not like it, no.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Well, if it wasn't Irish Guinness, then fair enough. I mean,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Australian Guinness doesn't taste as good as Irish Guinness. I
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: can only imagine what American Guinness tastes like.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: You're quite right, though. Mark Zuckerberg, I mean, he's got
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, thank God, because he has no
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  Speaker 1: social graces or social skills.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: None, none.
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  Speaker 3: You totally understand why he created Facebook. He would have
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: no friends without me.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's over a couple of drinks.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: You've got it. All right, that's all we've got time
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: for tonight. Thanks so much for joining us. We'll be
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: back tomorrow night, but stick around. Coming up is the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Rita Pennehy Show. We'll see you tomorrow.