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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 9/04/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It is 6.30 at 55 KRCG Talk Station. It is
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  Speaker 1: that time of week. Appointment listening without question. Tech Friday
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  Speaker 1: with Dave Hatter. Brought to you by Interest IT. Find
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  Speaker 1: do crop up. Welcome back, Dave Hatter. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: identified by the Cincinnati Business Courier as the best in
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  Speaker 1: the business.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Brian. Always good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about Waymo downtown. My
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  Speaker 1: wife will not get into one. I asked her about
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  Speaker 1: that the other day when I read that article. But
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  Speaker 1: real quick here, I'm sure you saw it. China-linked cyber
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  Speaker 1: espionage group apparently compromised Cisco routers, which allowed them to
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  Speaker 1: monitor traffic through the devices and use them to probe
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  Speaker 1: other high-value networks. They compromised the systems and, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the network administrator's information, which logged into the routers and
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  Speaker 1: other equipment. So I guess Cisco routers are ubiquitous, aren't they?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cisco is one of the largest network infrastructure companies
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  Speaker 3: out there and, frankly, has been for a really long time. Many,
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  Speaker 3: many companies use Cisco equipment. So, I mean, if you
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  Speaker 3: think about it, and this is the sort of thing
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  Speaker 3: you and I have now been talking about for many years, Brian,
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  Speaker 3: all of this infrastructure that we have, that makes all
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  Speaker 3: of this work. And I don't mean critical infrastructure like
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  Speaker 3: the electric grid, although it now relies on this sort
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  Speaker 3: of technology to work, right?
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  Speaker 2: Devices talk to each other.
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  Speaker 3: I'm always on here talking about the Internet of Things
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  Speaker 3: and how everything is digital and has software and is interconnected. Well,
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  Speaker 3: it relies on equipment from people like Cisco and Fortinet
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  Speaker 3: and SonicWall and Dell.
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  Speaker 2: And others, right? So....
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  Speaker 3: If you're an adversarial nation state attacker and you can
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  Speaker 3: figure out how to compromise these devices, or frankly, you
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  Speaker 3: can just build your own devices that people use because
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  Speaker 3: they don't understand the risks. Our government has been warning
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  Speaker 3: about this sort of equipment coming from places like China.
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  Speaker 3: The potential for eavesdropping, the potential for stealing trade secrets
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  Speaker 3: and military secrets The potential for literally just causing chaos
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  Speaker 3: because you could potentially turn the devices off. You could
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  Speaker 3: make them misbehave, for lack of a better description. Like
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  Speaker 3: I remind folks, Stuxnet. Stuxnet is an example of this.
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  Speaker 3: Back many years ago, someone, and I use that term loosely.
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  Speaker 1: The Israeli government attacked the centrifuges and blew them up
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  Speaker 1: in the Iranian nuclear weapons enrichment facilities. Yes, that's a
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  Speaker 1: great illustration, Dave. Let me cut to the chase on this.
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  Speaker 1: Are Cisco routers used in our electric grid, perhaps?
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  Speaker 3: Probably.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough. Probably is good enough. Okay, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Probably is good enough. And this is just Cisco routers.
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  Speaker 1: How many forms of nefarious intrusion activity and hacking into
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  Speaker 1: sensitive infrastructure-like related systems has the Chinese Communist Party been
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  Speaker 1: engaged in? A lot, right?
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  Speaker 2: A lot.
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  Speaker 3: And it's China, it's Russia, it's North Korea, it's Iran,
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  Speaker 3: it's criminal actors. And frankly, I just keep saying this
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  Speaker 3: over and over, we have got to get serious about
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  Speaker 3: spending the money to protect this infrastructure, both the networking
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure that powers all the infrastructure and the critical infrastructure itself,
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  Speaker 3: because eventually... even if they don't mean to do it,
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  Speaker 3: someone is going to do something that brings this stuff down.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm very concerned someday they're going to flip
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  Speaker 3: the switch and just turn something off. But even if
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  Speaker 3: they don't mean to do it, it could be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you plant some kind of backdoor in these things and
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  Speaker 3: then someone makes a mistake that turns it off.
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  Speaker 2: It's disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the potential for death global, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: from aftermath of violence and looting and craziness going on,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe simply because respirators get shut off. If the
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  Speaker 1: power to shut off, if an EMP blew up and
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  Speaker 1: the entire power shuts off for 80% of the great
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  Speaker 1: United States, do you, as I believe, think that will
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  Speaker 1: result in more death than perhaps the bombs dropped on
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  Speaker 1: Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you have to think what you
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  Speaker 3: or I think about it. You can go out and
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  Speaker 3: see like congressional testimony and so forth on EMP attacks.
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  Speaker 2: You can read the book one second after. Now, it's
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  Speaker 2: a novel.
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  Speaker 3: There's a movie coming out about it. But this whole
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  Speaker 3: idea of electromagnetic pulse is a scientific fact.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And if you set off low-grade nuclear weapons at the
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  Speaker 3: right height, you can literally knock out all of the
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  Speaker 3: power in the United States or somewhere close to it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think anyone can say for sure.
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  Speaker 1: As an act of war or leading up to war,
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  Speaker 1: disabling the infrastructure for all electricity. That would be a non-kinetic,
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  Speaker 1: not like a bomb blowing off. There wouldn't be the
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  Speaker 1: visual carnage in the first several days. It would unfold.
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  Speaker 1: But no one's ever tried that on a mass scale before,
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  Speaker 1: have they, Dave? No one ever tried dropping a bomb
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  Speaker 1: before World War II. Hey, it's new. We tried it out.
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  Speaker 2: It worked.
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  Speaker 1: But no one's done it since. And we now are
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  Speaker 1: accused of being guilty of genocide. But all that in this,
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  Speaker 1: it took decades before we sort of reflected on the
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  Speaker 1: profound realities of that type of weapon blowing up. We
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  Speaker 1: all kind of collectively realize across this great planet of
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  Speaker 1: ours that no one was going to be using nukes
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  Speaker 1: as a first strike because of mutually assured destruction. Dave,
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  Speaker 1: no one's ever tried an EMP before. Someone's going to
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  Speaker 1: try it first, and then we'll all judge in the
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  Speaker 1: aftermath of history who was right in using it or not.
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  Speaker 1: That's what scares the hell out of me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, here's a report, High-Altitude Electromagnetic Pulse Waveform Application
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  Speaker 3: Guide from the Department of Energy, right? And it explains
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  Speaker 3: how something like this could work. The detonation of a
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  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon at a high altitude or in space can
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  Speaker 3: generate an electromagnetic pulse referred to as a high-altitude EMP
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  Speaker 3: or HEMP that consists of three components. And then they
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  Speaker 3: break down what these three components, E1, E2, and E3 do.
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  Speaker 3: This is from the Department of Energy. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: isn't some doomsday prepper type stuff. This is from the
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  Speaker 3: Department of Energy. And, you know, the same search, when
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  Speaker 3: I search for this, so it says that the Cybersecurity
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  Speaker 3: and Infrastructure Security Agency has a page on EMP. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it can have the potential, I'm reading from their page,
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  Speaker 3: to damage significant portions of the nation's critical infrastructure, including
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  Speaker 3: the electric grid, communications equipment, water and wastewater systems, and
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  Speaker 3: transportation modes.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Necessarily even need to set off an EMP if I
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  Speaker 3: can just basically infiltrate all of your equipment.
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  Speaker 1: Like through the Cisco routers, for example.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. That's kind of where I was going, Dave.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to go down that avenue, but this is just,
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  Speaker 1: this is, you've been talking about this for years and years.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, I guess our government's waking up to the
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  Speaker 1: challenges we face. And here we go. Yet one more
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  Speaker 1: illustration of embedded, dangerous, nefarious technology. CCP software that could
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  Speaker 1: do exactly what we're talking about right now without an EMP.
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  Speaker 1: Fort Wright, he's the mayor of your town, and you
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  Speaker 1: don't have flock cameras. And so we just had the
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  Speaker 1: announcement from Charmaine McGuffey here in Hamilton County. She has
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  Speaker 1: shut them down for her own reasons. I found the
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  Speaker 1: timing rather interesting, Dave, even though you don't like flaw cameras,
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  Speaker 1: that she shut them down in advance of one of
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  Speaker 1: the busiest days in downtown Cincinnati coming up on Riverfest.
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  Speaker 1: Odd timing. I don't know what the urgency was for that,
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  Speaker 1: but that raises question marks in my mind. But how
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  Speaker 1: does it feel, Dave Hatter, my civil libertarian when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to privacy rights friend, to be in bed with
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  Speaker 1: Code Pink and... Socialist and Liberation Campaign, the People's Forum,
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  Speaker 1: Answer Coalition, all these other leftist groups which are aligned
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  Speaker 1: with Neville Roy Singham and the Chinese Communist Party in
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  Speaker 1: the fight against flock cameras and AI in our country.
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  Speaker 1: Politics and privacy rights make strange bedfellows, Dave.
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  Speaker 3: It has been interesting to see how different groups of
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  Speaker 3: people who would typically be opposed to each other have
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  Speaker 3: aligned around this mass surveillance thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm People are now.
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  Speaker 3: Fixated on the word flock like they are Coke or
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  Speaker 3: Kleenex or something, right? They're stuck on the brand name
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to the mass surveillance issue because there are
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  Speaker 3: other companies that make these kinds of cameras. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: always a little hesitant to get too deep on the
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  Speaker 3: flock thing simply because, yes, flock is the main purveyor
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  Speaker 3: of mass surveillance at this point.
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  Speaker 2: They're the most well-known. They're the most widespread.
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  Speaker 3: But there are other companies that make these kinds of things,
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  Speaker 3: and that's one of the concerns. organizations like the Electronic
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  Speaker 3: Frontier Foundation and others who sort of watch this space
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  Speaker 3: and warn about these kind of things have put out
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  Speaker 3: there that, you know, you can't just say, oh, we'll
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  Speaker 3: get rid of the flock and we'll put one of
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  Speaker 3: these other things in and then assume that it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have similar issues. Now, you know, flock has come under
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  Speaker 3: a lot of fire for a lot of different reasons,
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  Speaker 3: not including reporting that's shown, you know, like one guy
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  Speaker 3: going out watching himself on a flock camera, you know,
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  Speaker 3: speaking to the potentially lacks, alleged lacks security.
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  Speaker 2: There, if you will.
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  Speaker 3: But the bottom line is, you know, the whole mass
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  Speaker 3: surveillance thing, I'm just sort of fundamentally against, Brian, as
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  Speaker 3: you know. And when you look at examples from around
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  Speaker 3: the world where these types of systems have been hacked
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  Speaker 3: by a nation state adversary and then used for targeting
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  Speaker 3: within the A country by an adversary like Russia and
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  Speaker 3: Ukraine in the Russia Ukraine war in the Israeli Iranian thing.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: So while I certainly understand the potential benefits that you
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  Speaker 3: can get from these devices, I think the cons vastly
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  Speaker 3: outweigh the benefits. And, you know, we've made it 250
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  Speaker 3: years without massacres. surveillance like this. You know, it is
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  Speaker 3: interesting to me that I don't know how long flock
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  Speaker 3: cameras have been in operation in It is kind of interesting,
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  Speaker 3: to your point, that they would turn them off right before,
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  Speaker 3: to your point, one of the largest events in the region.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad they're shutting them down. And honestly, I had
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  Speaker 3: not caught that story. So I don't know what the
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  Speaker 3: rationale for it is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she suggested it's what is Flock doing with the
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  Speaker 1: data they collect was kind of the impetus behind her
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  Speaker 1: alleged reasons for shutting this down.
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  Speaker 3: That's always been one of my concerns, Brian. This is
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  Speaker 3: a third-party company. Who knows what they're doing with the data?
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  Speaker 3: We've seen example after example after example of it being misused.
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  Speaker 3: Are they selling it to other companies? We've seen examples
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  Speaker 3: where the system just doesn't work right and people are
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  Speaker 3: getting pulled over at gunpoint because it misreads their license plate,
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  Speaker 3: sends an alert, and suddenly police show up because they
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  Speaker 3: think they have a stolen.
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  Speaker 2: Vehicle or possibly worse. Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I think you and I have talked about the possibility
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  Speaker 3: of other companies who are building technology that could interface
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  Speaker 3: with this and could do things like, okay, you and
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  Speaker 3: I and Joe are all riding in a car together.
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  Speaker 3: And it's picking up your devices in my car and
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  Speaker 3: Joe's devices in my car. And then somewhere down the road,
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  Speaker 3: so now your devices are affiliated with my vehicle and
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  Speaker 3: And somewhere down the road, I'm getting pulled over because
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  Speaker 3: one of you was accused of a crime and somehow
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  Speaker 3: it's connected to me now because your device was regularly
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  Speaker 3: riding in my car, like maybe we're carpooling. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, overall, I am not a fan of these things. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I understand the benefits. I know they've produced some some
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  Speaker 3: good results in some cases. I think the cons greatly
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  Speaker 3: outweigh the pros, which is why I've been against it
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  Speaker 3: pretty much from.
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  Speaker 2: The word go.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the whole dystopian panopticon of mass surveillance
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  Speaker 3: that we're building. And it feels like people, as you
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  Speaker 3: pointed out earlier, Brian, on both sides are kind of
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  Speaker 3: waking up to this, hey, we don't really want all
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  Speaker 3: of this mass surveillance. We don't need all this mass
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  Speaker 3: surveillance anymore. And I'm happy to hear that Hamilton County has.
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  Speaker 2: Come off of it. And it seems like that is
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  Speaker 2: an ongoing trend.
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  Speaker 1: It is an ongoing trend, no question. And I share
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts and concerns about it. But being a practical guy,
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  Speaker 1: I am. I think the genie's out of the bottle
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  Speaker 1: as much as we might hate it. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how we can put it back in the bottle. Speaking
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  Speaker 1: of third parties having access to data, what about those
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  Speaker 1: apps that we voluntarily put on our phones? Dave's going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that and some practical solutions to help
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  Speaker 1: the answer to the question is Hamilton County partnered with
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  Speaker 1: flock in 2022, beginning with 25 cameras is now at 75,
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  Speaker 1: all of which have been shut down as of yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: So moving forward, practical advice from Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Hatter.
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  Speaker 1: Get rid of old apps, Dave. What's us? Why should
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  Speaker 1: we do this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Brian, you know, we've talked about this so many
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  Speaker 2: times before.
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  Speaker 3: The company, okay, an app is just software, right? You know,
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  Speaker 3: app is short for application, software application. So when you
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  Speaker 3: hear someone say software, when you hear someone say programming,
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  Speaker 3: you know, app, application, it's all essentially the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: It is a software application. Again, apps have sort of
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  Speaker 3: become colloquially used to describe software. software applications you install
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  Speaker 3: on your phone. And the companies that build these things
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  Speaker 3: have employees that need to get paid. Software developers have mortgages.
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  Speaker 3: They like to eat. They have to put the kids
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  Speaker 3: through school, all this sort of stuff. My point is
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  Speaker 3: they're not building these apps for you out of the
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  Speaker 3: goodness of their heart. If something is free or because
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  Speaker 3: they're just nice people that want to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: you have some game to play or some doom scrolling
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  Speaker 3: thing to spend five to eight hours a day on,
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  Speaker 3: on your little box there, right? If something is free, 99%
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  Speaker 3: of the time, you are paying with your data.
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  Speaker 2: You are not the customer.
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  Speaker 3: You are the product. They are monetizing your data. And
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  Speaker 3: the more data they can collect about you, the better.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this before, particularly back when TikTok was
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  Speaker 3: all the rage. I encourage people, even if you don't
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  Speaker 3: have an Apple phone, go to the Apple App Store
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  Speaker 3: and look up an app like TikTok. look up the
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  Speaker 3: latest game you just downloaded or the latest free app
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  Speaker 3: you downloaded for shopping or whatever, and check the Apple
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  Speaker 3: privacy label. The privacy label is kind of like the
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  Speaker 3: nutrition label on a can.
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  Speaker 2: At a store.
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  Speaker 3: It tells you, and Apple requires app developers to do this,
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  Speaker 3: it requires them to say.
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  Speaker 2: What data they want to collect.
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  Speaker 3: And it's usually eye-opening, if not shocking to people, to
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  Speaker 3: see that the flashlight app you just downloaded is collecting
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  Speaker 3: an incredible amount of information out of your phone. your location,
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  Speaker 3: your contacts. Why does the flashlight app need to know
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  Speaker 3: your contacts? Why does it want to read your texts?
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  Speaker 3: It's a flashlight app, right? Well, it's because the people
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  Speaker 3: behind the app use that data either to directly sell
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  Speaker 3: you things or they sell your data to other companies
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  Speaker 3: who want it and will pay for it a lot
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  Speaker 3: in many cases.
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  Speaker 2: So they can sell you stuff or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily- Part of the flock concern from Charmaine McGuffey.
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  Speaker 1: What are they doing with the data that they're collecting, right?
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  Speaker 1: We just talked about that.
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  Speaker 3: That is exactly right. It's all interconnected. And now, Brian,
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  Speaker 3: you have things out there like surveillance pricing. The idea
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  Speaker 3: that you could go into a store, they have digital
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  Speaker 3: price tags, and because they can identify you from your
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  Speaker 3: phone and they've bought tons of data about you and
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  Speaker 3: maybe already have data about you from whatever you bought.
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  Speaker 2: There in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Kroger card.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Amazon, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You might get a different price than me because they
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  Speaker 3: know you can pay more. That's a real thing. Several
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  Speaker 3: states have already banned it. Maryland, for example. I wrote
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  Speaker 3: an article about surveillance pricing. I'll post it out there today, too.
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  Speaker 3: When people say I have nothing to hide, I understand that.
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  Speaker 3: But all of this data is being collected and it's
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  Speaker 3: being used in ways many people can't even fathom, like
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  Speaker 3: the surveillance pricing. Again, could you go on Amazon right
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  Speaker 3: now and see a different price than me because they
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  Speaker 3: know enough about you to know that you'll pay more?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So all of that said, the more.
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  Speaker 3: Apps you have, the more data is being collected, sold,
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  Speaker 3: who knows where it's going, who knows what they're doing
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: with it, who knows how it might be used against you, again,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: in ways you wouldn't even be able to predict like
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: surveillance pricing. So the bottom line is the less apps
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: you have, the better. And even if you're not actively
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: using an app, if the software is installed, the app
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: is installed on your device, it may be silently collecting
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: data about you around the clock whether you're using it
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Just like your Roomba vacuum.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The Internet of Things, apps, et cetera.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You brought Orwell into your home. Damn thing's got a
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: camera on it.
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  Speaker 2: And a microphone.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And a microphone.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. I was going to.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Say, why does your vacuum need a camera and a microphone?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Great question. And why in God's name? See, I learn
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: something every single day doing this program. Why in God's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: name would anybody need a flashlight app?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, since the phone typically has one built in.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It's right there. Hit the button. It comes on. Hit
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the button. It turns off. What possible upgrade could a
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: human being need?
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: The less apps you have, the less IoT devices you have,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: and until we get to a place where there are
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: either laws that prevent this or the companies behind it
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: take your privacy and security seriously, every time you download
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: some sort of app, unless it's well-vetted, like I have
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: an Apple phone because they tend to be more privacy
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and security friendly. Outside of the apps that shipped from Apple,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I bet I don't have 10 apps.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Neither do I.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want all.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: These companies collecting my data and doing who knows what
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So less apps you have, the better. If you have
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: apps you're not using, delete them.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Get rid of them.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: It reduces your exposure to your data being leaked, breached,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: used in ways that you would not appreciate. Clean your
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: phone out. Clean your computer out. Get rid of things
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: that you don't need.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: You'll be better off.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Amen, brother. And just if you're wondering about deleting the app,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: just remember that you You were able to live without
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it for so damn long before it finally showed up.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Was your life that so, was so difficult that you're like, oh, well,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I need a flashlight app. No, no, you don't. You
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: didn't before and you don't need it now. Dave Hatter,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: God bless you, sir. Interestit.com, linkedin.com for Dave Hatter and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the info. Dave, I'll look forward to next week. I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: hope you have a wonderful holiday weekend, my friend.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Brian.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I hope you and Joe and all your listeners do too.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And I will chat with you then.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it, brother. Looking forward to it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: 657.