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UK Column News — 5th August 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the fifth of August twenty twenty sixth,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Column News. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host Mike Grubinson. Joining me by video link today
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Speaker 1: are Charles Mallett and Vanessa billy A. Later in the
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Speaker 1: program will be taking a look at reform UK's new
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Speaker 1: policy for dealing with English Channel migration, conscription in Denmark,
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Speaker 1: the latest on settler violence in the West Bank, and
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Speaker 1: we'll have an update on the development of Abola jobs
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Speaker 1: here in the UK. But we're going to get started
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Speaker 1: off today with Professor David Miller, who UK Column visitors
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Speaker 1: will be familiar with through the News program appearances and
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Speaker 1: through his well increasingly prolific writing for US. And he has,
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Speaker 1: we're delighted to say one his employment tribunal case against
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Speaker 1: Bristol University.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday David posted this on x He said, anti Zionism
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Speaker 1: protected by UK law. We have set a binding legal precedent.
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Speaker 1: Auntisana is now a protected philosophical belief under the Equality
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Speaker 1: Act twenty ten. Full stop. The Employment Appeal Tribunal finally
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Speaker 1: had it done its judgment this morning. The University of
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Speaker 1: Bristol's attempt to overturn my twenty twenty four employment tribunal
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Speaker 1: victory has been comprehensively dismissed. We won on every single count.
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Speaker 1: This is a public humil humiliation for the genocidal Zionist
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Speaker 1: regime whose assets in Britain bullied University into sacking me
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Speaker 1: and then dragged them into this futile appeal. Their legal
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Speaker 1: strategy has collapsed. Their pressure campaign as spectacularly backfired. Thanks
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Speaker 1: to everyone who believed in me and supported me, this
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Speaker 1: is a victory for the whole anti Zanist movement. A
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Speaker 1: full statement will follow shortly while I'm delighted to say
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Speaker 1: that David joins us and I how to discuss the
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Speaker 1: ruling and its implications. Welcome to the program, David. Now,
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Speaker 1: your ex host sets the scene concisely, but just remind
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Speaker 1: us when this all actually began.
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Speaker 3: Well, it began on the eighteenth of February twenty nineteen
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Speaker 3: when I did a lecture on Islamophobia, two hour long
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Speaker 3: lecture in which I spoke for three minutes forty four
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Speaker 3: seconds on the Zionist movement and some aspects of the
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Speaker 3: Zionist movement. And we know it was that long because
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Speaker 3: one of the students present recorded that section of the
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Speaker 3: lecture and leaked it sometime later to the Jewish News,
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Speaker 3: and it was said that what I said in that
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Speaker 3: lecture was absolutely outragious. I had focused on individual Jewish
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Speaker 3: businessmen who were said to be responsible for Islamophobia. Of
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Speaker 3: course that's not what I had suggested, but that was
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Speaker 3: the complain which was made anonymously to the university that
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Speaker 3: completely dismissed. Then they came up with another complaint, and
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Speaker 3: then they came up with another complaint, and I was
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Speaker 3: investigated over the course of must have been three years,
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Speaker 3: and eventually they sacked me, even tho though both of
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Speaker 3: their QUC reports that they had commissioned from an external
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Speaker 3: QC had found me not guilty of anything antismittic or
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Speaker 3: illegal in any way. So that was then twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: one and I took them to tribunal. We won at
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Speaker 3: tribunal and now finally, after all these years, we have
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Speaker 3: won again at the Employment Appeal tribunal and they have
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Speaker 3: been compremensed comprehensively smashed in this case. It is incredible
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Speaker 3: they had something like nine pot grounds of law to
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Speaker 3: try and overturn the employment tribunal. Some of which had
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Speaker 3: a coating from the judgment here, some of which had
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Speaker 3: subgrounds and some of them had sub subgrounds. They had
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Speaker 3: thirty or forty different points of law which they said
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Speaker 3: that the tribunal was wrong on, and the employment appeal
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Speaker 3: tribunal dismissed every single one of every single one. Just amazing,
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Speaker 3: and we weren't surprised in a way. Although we waited
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Speaker 3: nine months for this judgment to drop, we knew from
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Speaker 3: the performance of the Bristol's lawyers in the court that
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Speaker 3: they it was highly unlikely that they would get anywhere
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Speaker 3: because what happened was, rather than dealing with any of
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Speaker 3: the thirty or forty points of law, their council got
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Speaker 3: up and spent four hours, this entire a lot of
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Speaker 3: time effectively denouncing me is a very bad man who'd
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Speaker 3: said very bad things which weren't even an issue in
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Speaker 3: either the tribural or the appeal. So the judge in
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Speaker 3: the case got increasingly irate with him, and eventually when
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Speaker 3: he asked for more time, he didn't even bother to
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Speaker 3: engage with them, he just said no. It was clear
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Speaker 3: that the judge was really very very annoyed with the
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Speaker 3: way in which Bristol had played it and we didn't
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Speaker 3: know if that would translate into the comprehensive victory which
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Speaker 3: it has. But here we are it did.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose the important thing is is this the
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Speaker 1: end of it?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: It could be the end of it, but it might
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Speaker 3: not be. They have twenty one days to decide if
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Speaker 3: they are going to appeal to either the Court of
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Speaker 3: Appeal or probably if they appeal to the Supreme Court,
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Speaker 3: because what they will want to do is they want
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Speaker 3: to leap frog the Court of Appeal to go to
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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court because they can't properly interrogate the Higgs
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Speaker 3: judgment that was the case of the teacher Christian teacher
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Speaker 3: Kirsty Higgs, why was sacked for objecting to LGBT teaching
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Speaker 3: in her school. And that's in order to contest that
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Speaker 3: part of the judge of the judgment in my case,
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Speaker 3: which of course supported me. They will have to go
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Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court. So they what twenty one days,
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Speaker 3: Let's see if they do it. They were so comprehensively
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Speaker 3: defeated that it looks like a very long shot.
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Speaker 1: But Punals, well, you know you have stated that this
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Speaker 1: is setting a legal precedent, and of course this means
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Speaker 1: that other people could you know, make statements without fear
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Speaker 1: of similar repercussions. But does that mean because of this
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Speaker 1: is a legal president, that they may feel that they're
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Speaker 1: forced to actually take this to the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 3: I think that from Bristol as a university, they will
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Speaker 3: have to make a judgment about the amount of money
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Speaker 3: it's going to cost. It will be a lot more
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Speaker 3: money to go to the Supreme Court, and the amount
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Speaker 3: of reputational damage which is going to cause. It caused
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Speaker 3: reputational damage the first time and the second time because
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Speaker 3: they've comprehensively lost, so they have to make that judgment.
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Speaker 3: But of course, all the way through this, the problem
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Speaker 3: has been that Bristol has been led by the nose
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Speaker 3: by the Zionist movement, by pressure from Zionists inside and
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Speaker 3: outside the university in order to take me to Sackly
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Speaker 3: in the first place, to defend in the ridiculous way
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Speaker 3: they did at the tribunal and again at the appeal tribunal.
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Speaker 3: So who can tell what's going to happen with that?
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Speaker 3: I mean, my key take away from this is, look,
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Speaker 3: I've won twice now, comprehensively. And what I want now
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Speaker 3: is I want my job back. I want to go
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Speaker 3: back to the University of Bristol and resume being a
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Speaker 3: professor of political sociology because what they've done to me
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Speaker 3: is not just the taking me out of a job.
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Speaker 3: They've effectively ended my career. I will never get another
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Speaker 3: academic job in the UK until unless I am reinstated
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Speaker 3: as a sort of apology by the University of Bristol.
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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm seeking. And we'll see in the
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Speaker 3: next hearing in court, which will be coming up quite soon,
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Speaker 3: whether that's the case.
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Speaker 1: Is that something that can be imposed upon them or
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Speaker 1: is that something that they have to do for themselves.
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Speaker 3: It can be imposed upon them. There will be a
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Speaker 3: remedies hearing which will determine how much compensation I'm due,
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Speaker 3: and it will also determine whether the court can determined
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Speaker 3: that I should be taken back and reinstated in my
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Speaker 3: previous post at the University of Bristol. It's unusual for
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Speaker 3: courts to do that, but given the resounding defeat that
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Speaker 3: Bristol has faced, that's the case will be pushing.
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Speaker 1: And how long do you have to wait for that
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Speaker 1: hearing to head to take place.
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Speaker 3: Well, we have to wait until we get time that
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Speaker 3: this will be dealt with by the Employment Tribunal in
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Speaker 3: Bristol as opposed to the Appeal Tribunal in London. So
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Speaker 3: they need to get court time and we'll have to
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Speaker 3: see what happens with that. But I'm looking forward to
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Speaker 3: to that process and getting this over with because of course,
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Speaker 3: as you will know, I mean, a university professor's salary
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Speaker 3: in the UK is quite a bit higher in the
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Speaker 3: CAT salary you can get from writing articles for UK column.
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Speaker 3: Not disrespect UK column.
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Speaker 1: As well, that is a fair statement. Now let me
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Speaker 1: just bring this BBC article on screen here because this
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Speaker 1: is their coverage of your result and written by Chloe harkem.
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Speaker 1: Now what fascinated me about this, David, was they extensively
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Speaker 1: quoted a response from the university itself, but they didn't
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Speaker 1: seem to quote anything from you. So my question is
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Speaker 1: did they in fact contact you at all?
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Speaker 3: And no they didn't. I mean, it's funny, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: We're living in a period where I mean, it used
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Speaker 3: to be the case. I remember looking back at this,
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Speaker 3: it used to be the case that every year at
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Speaker 3: the end of the year financial year, I would get
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Speaker 3: a print out from the BBC with a list of
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Speaker 3: all my appearances on Radio four Radio Scotland or Newsnight
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Speaker 3: or whatever, and they were paying money. So I used
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Speaker 3: to get more than a thousand pounds every year from
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Speaker 3: appearances to the BBC. Now I've not been on the
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Speaker 3: BBC for many, many years now, and that's an indication
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Speaker 3: of what has changed in the society that it's impossible
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Speaker 3: for people who are critical of the mainstream to get
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Speaker 3: any kind of window on it. And that's why there
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Speaker 3: is there are so many independent media on the right
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Speaker 3: handle left.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, has any mainstream been in touch?
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Speaker 3: No, No mainstream media have been in touch this. The
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Speaker 3: National in Scotland you could say that's mainstream is the
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Speaker 3: only paper as I'm aware has done it. It's been
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Speaker 3: covered of course in in West Asia by Al Jazeera,
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Speaker 3: Mubasha and by a number of other prestv have reporters
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Speaker 3: upon it, but they all turn to media here. The
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Speaker 3: Canara have done it mitt least time at least Memo
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Speaker 3: and all those, but no mainstream media I have touched
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Speaker 3: the story so far. That's which is strange because in
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Speaker 3: the past, when we won the Tribune. There was coverage
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Speaker 3: in quite a range of papers, including in the right
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Speaker 3: wing papers and the Guardian as well, so it's interesting
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Speaker 3: they haven't done that. Maybe they will think about it
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Speaker 3: a bit more because this is a more significant story
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Speaker 3: than just a win an employment tribunal. This is a
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Speaker 3: confirmation of a legal president, which means that people are
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Speaker 3: protected from being at designers. You can't sack people for
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Speaker 3: being at Designers. You can't sack people for saying designers
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Speaker 3: it was racism, and you can't sack people for saying
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Speaker 3: that the state of Israel should be abolished and dismantled.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Well, David, thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 1: us today, and I just want to let everybody know
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Speaker 1: if you want some more details on this, we have
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Speaker 1: David's article just posted this morning on the UK column website,
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Speaker 1: Professor David Miller wins Employment Appeal Tribunal. Go and go
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Speaker 1: and read it. Please share it and share this segment. David,
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us today. That's been fascinating. Charles.
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Speaker 1: Let's move on to you now, and well we've been
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Speaker 1: talking about conscription and the drive towards in the UK.
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Speaker 1: It's been described as national service but other European countries
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Speaker 1: have been pushing in this direction.
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Speaker 5: There been new developments, thank you, Mike, Yes, good afternoon all.
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Speaker 5: Yet they have in Denmark in particular, And whilst I
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Speaker 5: have to caveat this by saying in some senses this
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Speaker 5: is not particularly noteworthy or newsworthy because of Denmark's history
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Speaker 5: with conscription, I think it must be significant in some respects,
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Speaker 5: which I'll go on to explain. We'll just look at
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Speaker 5: the Danish Ministry of Defense website, which interestingly doesn't in
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Speaker 5: fact have any content about this, but nonetheless the conscription
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Speaker 5: model has now changed from a four month period to
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Speaker 5: an eleven month period. And the very significant detail here
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Speaker 5: is not what the Danes have to say about it,
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Speaker 5: but the degree to which NATO is amplifying this particular
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Speaker 5: story to the extent that they put out a ten
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Speaker 5: minute video. It's been all over their social media. And
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Speaker 5: I'm now going to show a video clip of a
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Speaker 5: malgam of parts from the NATO video.
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Speaker 2: How do you feel?
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Speaker 6: I was so tired.
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Speaker 4: I can't believe.
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Speaker 7: These Danish conscripts have just made it through one of
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Speaker 7: the most demanding weeks of their lives, a week designed
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Speaker 7: to break them down and rebuild them for military life.
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Speaker 8: It's a new world that we're living in.
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Speaker 9: Women also have to participate in protecting the country.
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Speaker 7: I want to find out what it takes to turn
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Speaker 7: regular people into soldiers. Why you want to in the.
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Speaker 10: First place, there's a shadow number of many, many citizens
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Speaker 10: who could grab a weapon and know how to use
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Speaker 10: that weapon in case something happens.
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Speaker 7: Denmark has made global headlines with plans to overhaul conscription
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Speaker 7: in response to growing security threats and Russia's war of
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Speaker 7: aggression against Ukraine. Denmark is bringing women into the draft,
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Speaker 7: ramping up annual intake from five thousand to seven thousand,
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Speaker 7: five hundred by twenty thirty three, and extending service from
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Speaker 7: four months to eleven. A lot of countries don't have conscription,
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Speaker 7: haven't had it for a long time. So what would
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Speaker 7: you say to people from those countries about conscription and
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Speaker 7: why it's necessary?
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Speaker 10: And Denmark we've always had conscription, and that's been the
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Speaker 10: same with lots of NATO allies. There's something you should
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Speaker 10: be afraid of, because it's not about forcing people into
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Speaker 10: the service a place where they don't want to be.
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Speaker 10: If they don't want to be here, there are options
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Speaker 10: where they can do other stuff for a different part
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Speaker 10: of society. I think it's important personally for NATO as
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Speaker 10: a whole to have citizens of those countries that can
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Speaker 10: actually fight in case something happens.
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Speaker 5: I should point out that paper you just called a
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Speaker 5: glimpse of at the end of that clip is a map,
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Speaker 5: but the output there I think it shouldn't ignore. In English,
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Speaker 5: it's very much for a British audience, and you can
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Speaker 5: go through your checklist. There was a focus on women
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Speaker 5: being conscripted into the armed forces and that being absolutely normal.
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Speaker 5: It was very much predicated on the idea of not
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Speaker 5: just a consistent but an increasing threat from Russia and
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Speaker 5: the fact that the population should be able to respond
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Speaker 5: by in effect having a reserve or at least the
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Speaker 5: capability where people can, in the words of that chat
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Speaker 5: there can fight. So this is being pushed very hard
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Speaker 5: with the intent it seems, of normalizing the idea of conscription.
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Speaker 5: And exactly like you say, Mike, this goes back well,
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Speaker 5: certainly well before, but absolutely in stark terms, back to
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Speaker 5: March twenty twenty five when the House of Commons put
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Speaker 5: out a briefing paper on conscription. Of course, the front
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Speaker 5: cover there was a picture of a parade of women.
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Speaker 5: And as to what's happening here, we look on screen
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Speaker 5: now at the British Army's website which talks about the
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Speaker 5: Armed Forces Foundation scheme. On what this seems to be
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Speaker 5: is the result of their proposed gap Yer scheme, about
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Speaker 5: which there was very little detailed. They said it was
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Speaker 5: going to be announced in not or at least launched
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Speaker 5: in March. The Ministry of Defense effectively refused to confirm
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Speaker 5: the situation back in March, and I haven't heard any
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Speaker 5: response to my inquiry yesterday about whether this is supposed
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Speaker 5: to be the Gapier scheme. But in effect this is
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Speaker 5: paving the way for some form of national service scheme.
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Speaker 5: Obviously this is voluntary, it's an eighteen month commitment to
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Speaker 5: join the armed forces for that period of time. But
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Speaker 5: the language used is sort of is as though to
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Speaker 5: suggest that people are not really part of the army,
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Speaker 5: whereas of course that's absolutely what they will be. And
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Speaker 5: it is easy to see how if this is successful
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Speaker 5: in uptake, that it could be part of a scheme
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Speaker 5: that has been long pushed for, whereby exactly like in Denmark,
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Speaker 5: young people are given the choice of going into the
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Speaker 5: armed forces or committing to some sort of civil service. Now,
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Speaker 5: in terms of what we'll facilitate this, we go to
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Speaker 5: the Armed Forces built, which course is still going through
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Speaker 5: Parliament at the moment. And the critical part here is
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Speaker 5: that this in effect smooths the transition from the sorry
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Speaker 5: from the reserve into the regular forces and is supposed
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Speaker 5: to improve the conditions for service personnel. So all of
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Speaker 5: these things look very much like they are making the
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Speaker 5: situation easier in terms of not just messaging, but also
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Speaker 5: the architecture required with which to conscript doesn't matter really
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Speaker 5: whether you're calling it conscription or national service, but some
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Speaker 5: sort of contribution from young people as though according to
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Speaker 5: a timeline for war with Russia that somehow seems to
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Speaker 5: be there even though there is no definite commitment from
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Speaker 5: Russia to engage in any such action. And all I
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Speaker 5: would finish on is just a blindfold briefing on the
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Speaker 5: UK column website which deals with exactly this topic and
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Speaker 5: the points of law that can be moved at very
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Speaker 5: short notice to make sure that people are captured by
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Speaker 5: the legislation for some form of national service.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Charles, Thank you. Now let's move on to
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Speaker 1: Reform UK and they have published if we bring it
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Speaker 1: on screen, Operation Fortresses, what they're calling it, Stopping the
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Speaker 1: Invasion of Britain. They published on Monday. It was launched
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Speaker 1: by Nigel Farage and Home Affairs Spokesman's Anxiety yusuf twenty
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Speaker 1: five page document. It opens with endorsements from various former
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Speaker 1: military people Brigadier Alan Litster, Commander Chris Gris and John
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Speaker 1: Keel and it's frequently it's regularly framing this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: As you can see from the front page. There as
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Speaker 1: an invision. The report says that on day one, assuming
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Speaker 1: that there would be such a thing, a Reform Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister would convene Cobra meeting and declare that the crossings
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Speaker 1: are a national emergency. Yusuf is presuming he would be
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Speaker 1: Home Secretary, he would submit a formal request for military assistance.
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Speaker 1: Operations would run as a four stage cycle, so they
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Speaker 1: would detect and tract, they would interdict, they would board
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Speaker 1: and secure, transfer and return. They're planning for ten vessels
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Speaker 1: River class offshore patrol vessels supported by Border Force cutters
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Speaker 1: to deploy up to twenty rigid inflatable boats, a Bay
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Speaker 1: class landing ship would provide detention capacity at sea for
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Speaker 1: up to seven hundred and occupants would be given food,
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Speaker 1: water and medical assessment and then return to French or
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Speaker 1: Belgian shores, is how they're describing it. They're saying that
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Speaker 1: emergency primary legislation with grant service personnel, immigration pars and
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Speaker 1: are asylum claims outright, and the document states that returns
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Speaker 1: are planned for without the receiving states consent. And they
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Speaker 1: say the destruction of intercepted craft and sea remains an option.
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Speaker 2: And the.
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Speaker 1: Legal basis that they're using for this is a number
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Speaker 1: of legal presidents and d and NT versus Spain see
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Speaker 1: if third country and admissibility rules. Also they're relying on
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Speaker 1: the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
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Speaker 1: Article ninety eight and also Australia's Operation Sovereign Borders, so
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Speaker 1: relying on those as president. Now, the French Interior Ministry
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Speaker 1: called it a violation of French sovereignty and with the
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Speaker 1: law of the sea, and they are also citing the
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Speaker 1: same law of the Sea that maritime barrister James Turner
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Speaker 1: told The Independent. Here in fact, yes, here's the Independent
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Speaker 1: article saying that unloading people contrary to receiving states immigration
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Speaker 1: law removes the protection of innocent passage under United Nations
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Speaker 1: Convention of the Law of the Sea Article nineteen point two,
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Speaker 1: and warned micro who know they face return will resist
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Speaker 1: boarding and that would create a real danger. But I
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Speaker 1: wanted to highlight two aspects of the report in particular.
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Speaker 1: So here is zyusafon ITV and Monday. Let's just have
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Speaker 1: a list to this.
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Speaker 6: Step one of the plan is turn the English Channel
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Speaker 6: into the most availed maritime border in the world, something
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Speaker 6: we're more than capable of doing. The problem is our
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Speaker 6: space satellite footage, for example, and surveillance data is completely
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Speaker 6: siloed from for example, our infrared and radar data. It
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Speaker 6: is not being used to savail the channel. So number one,
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Speaker 6: you ramp up surveillance. We will have the most availed
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Speaker 6: maritime board in the world under a reform government.
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Speaker 1: In fact, the report states the Joint Task Force Commander,
20:44
Speaker 1: a three star lieutenant general appointed by the Chief of
20:48
Speaker 1: the Defense Staff would run an interagency command through Standing
20:54
Speaker 1: Joint Command uk HQ Standing Joint Command SORRY, drawing on
20:58
Speaker 1: the Royal Navy, the Royals, the RAF, the Army with
21:01
Speaker 1: Border Force, Coast Guard, actual crime agency, police and intelligence
21:06
Speaker 1: agencies all embedded. So this would become an integrated surveillance command. Sorry,
21:12
Speaker 1: it would also include integrated surveillance command bringing drones flown
21:17
Speaker 1: from LID and dover so at a whole bunch of aircraft, satellites,
21:22
Speaker 1: infrared feeds as you mentioned in the in the video
21:25
Speaker 1: clip there, and you know, to me, this is just
21:28
Speaker 1: quite incredible. We've been highlighting for years in this program
21:31
Speaker 1: how one thing that people can't agree on is used
21:34
Speaker 1: to justify a policy that people basically would not agree
21:37
Speaker 1: with it. You know, I'm referring here to the protection
21:39
Speaker 1: of children being used as an excuse for censorship in
21:42
Speaker 1: digital ID and in the United States, we've already seen
21:46
Speaker 1: immigration being used as an excuse for the most unbelievable
21:49
Speaker 1: surveillance making, use of volunteer for targeting, and even for
21:54
Speaker 1: the killing of bystanders. At least it's an excuse for
21:57
Speaker 1: the killing of bystanders on one or two occasions. And
22:00
Speaker 1: here we have performed doing pretty much the same thing.
22:03
Speaker 1: So you know, this integration of the role Navy, Royal
22:06
Speaker 1: Marines with police and intelligence is unprecedented. And I'll put
22:10
Speaker 1: money on it that if this ever season light of day,
22:12
Speaker 1: we'll see the likes of Pollunteer being involved here as well.
22:17
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm going to say that many people
22:20
Speaker 1: watching this report are going to be maybe screaming at
22:23
Speaker 1: the screen that something needs to be done about migration,
22:26
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to disagree with that. But this
22:28
Speaker 1: isn't it, and this is always this is a game
22:31
Speaker 1: that's always played, problem reaction solution, as it's often described.
22:35
Speaker 1: But anyway, use of then went on to say this.
22:41
Speaker 6: We are aware not only have over two hundred thousand
22:45
Speaker 6: people arrived on our beaches illegally under toryan Lavy governments
22:48
Speaker 6: over the last eight years, we know some have gone
22:50
Speaker 6: on to murder British citizens. We know some have attempted
22:53
Speaker 6: mass casualty terror attacks in Britain. And there are well
22:56
Speaker 6: cited reports in this country that IRGC its terrorists operating
23:02
Speaker 6: the behest of the Iranian regime, which of course is
23:04
Speaker 6: currently at war and recently attacked our sovereign territory, are
23:08
Speaker 6: using the channel to enter Britain illegally.
23:12
Speaker 1: So Vanessa, let me welcome to the program, because this
23:15
Speaker 1: narrative of Iranian terrorism and British shores is being ramped
23:18
Speaker 1: up significantly, and we've been speaking recently of the clearly
23:22
Speaker 1: fake organization known as the Islamic Movement of the People
23:25
Speaker 1: of the Right Hand. But tell us more about these
23:28
Speaker 1: IRGC agents that are allegedly landing on Britain shores.
23:34
Speaker 9: Well, this was an article that appeared in the Telegraph,
23:37
Speaker 9: but it has been picked up by a number of
23:39
Speaker 9: British media outlets and it's talking about sorry because this
23:45
Speaker 9: entire narrative is kind of just so ridiculous to me.
23:48
Speaker 9: The elite Iranian forces now apparently they're called Unit seven
23:52
Speaker 9: hundred and Unit one ninety. I actually spoke to somebody
23:56
Speaker 9: in Iran, very well connected, and they said, this is
23:59
Speaker 9: really These kind of units don't exist within the IRGC.
24:04
Speaker 9: This is a projection of an Israeli spy unit structure.
24:09
Speaker 9: So in other words, the Israelis have Unit eight two hundred,
24:12
Speaker 9: et cetera, and they're basically projecting that onto this narrative
24:16
Speaker 9: that has been published verbatim by the Telegraph to amplify
24:21
Speaker 9: this alleged threat from Iranian assets crossing the channel in
24:27
Speaker 9: Dinghi's landing on our shores or flying in from the Balkans.
24:32
Speaker 9: That's the other route that apparently the Telegraph is saying exists.
24:36
Speaker 9: And I'm very happy to be able to welcome to
24:40
Speaker 9: UK column for the first time Crispin Flintoff, whose show
24:45
Speaker 9: I've appeared on quite a few times, so has David Miller,
24:49
Speaker 9: and so this is the host of the Crispin flint
24:52
Speaker 9: Off Show, intrepid journalist. I know he likes to downplay
24:57
Speaker 9: his role as such, but he's someone that spends a
24:59
Speaker 9: lot of time on the streets with the supporters of
25:02
Speaker 9: Palestine Action and so on, and from that perspective, Crispin,
25:07
Speaker 9: welcome to UK column and I'd like to get your
25:10
Speaker 9: view on this story. Not only your view, but we
25:14
Speaker 9: saw during the regime change war against Syria, which endured
25:19
Speaker 9: fourteen years and brought, of course untold misery to the
25:24
Speaker 9: Syrian people, which has continued under the Quistling regime imposed
25:29
Speaker 9: by mix Cia Mossad of Jolani, or Ahmad al Shadar
25:34
Speaker 9: as he's now been rebranded. We saw a lot of confusion,
25:39
Speaker 9: particularly among the pro Palestine movement, and a lot of
25:43
Speaker 9: misunderstanding of Syria's role in supporting Palestine and san I'm
25:49
Speaker 9: wandering from your various guests because I know that you
25:53
Speaker 9: have a lot of British Palestinian gas among the medical
25:58
Speaker 9: community that of course have been under persecution from the
26:01
Speaker 9: Zionist movement in the UK. I'm wondering if you think
26:06
Speaker 9: there's a potential for this kind of confusion to arise
26:10
Speaker 9: again over this rise in propaganda about Iran from people
26:15
Speaker 9: who support Palestine and are against the genocide there.
26:21
Speaker 11: Thank you for inviting me on now. I would say
26:26
Speaker 11: from my experience of going on a pro Iran protest
26:32
Speaker 11: that there is very little support from the same people
26:35
Speaker 11: who go on to general Palestine protests. I've spoken to
26:39
Speaker 11: some people and ask them why, and they say they
26:42
Speaker 11: don't approve of the Iranian regime. They've swallowed all of
26:47
Speaker 11: the propaganda against Iran. And it's very worrying how some
26:54
Speaker 11: people who support Palestine have all these ideas and from
27:00
Speaker 11: mainstream media like you say with Syria, and like you say,
27:05
Speaker 11: it's now with Ivan as well. So I don't really
27:10
Speaker 11: understand it. I think, I mean, to be honest, I
27:12
Speaker 11: think there's a lot of Islamophobia or hatred of Muslims
27:18
Speaker 11: from people involved, and they also seem to be intimidated
27:22
Speaker 11: by countries that have some fight in them that it's
27:25
Speaker 11: okay to support a really beleaguered country, but if the
27:29
Speaker 11: country has some strength to it, then they kind of think, oh, actually,
27:33
Speaker 11: I'm not sure about this. They like people, they like
27:36
Speaker 11: countries that are really on their knees, but not ones
27:40
Speaker 11: that can fight back.
27:43
Speaker 10: Yeah.
27:43
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a very good point. And would you say
27:46
Speaker 9: that money of these pro Palestine supporters are not necessarily
27:49
Speaker 9: pro the armed resistance? Going and taking your point a
27:53
Speaker 9: little bit further, I.
27:56
Speaker 11: Think I think that the sort of Jeremy Corbyn line
27:59
Speaker 11: of which didn't have wars, is very popular amongst people,
28:05
Speaker 11: and it's just kind of it's really frustrating because obviously
28:09
Speaker 11: that plays straight into those who don't care about that
28:12
Speaker 11: and will fight and destroy Palestine, or fight against Iran,
28:17
Speaker 11: or fight Lebanon, or fight everyone in that area. So yeah,
28:23
Speaker 11: it's a kind of kind of pacifist side of the
28:27
Speaker 11: left or the Palestine Solidarity movement that is resistant to
28:33
Speaker 11: any fight, which is bizarre.
28:38
Speaker 9: Are you also seeing a prevalence of the narrative of
28:44
Speaker 9: the kind of immigration fear narrative, the fear mongering that
28:49
Speaker 9: has been going on about the arrival of migrants from
28:53
Speaker 9: many of the countries. Of course, that are being persecuted
28:55
Speaker 9: by our regime in the UK and in the entire
29:00
Speaker 9: US alliance.
29:03
Speaker 11: I can't say that's really worked, that propaganda. I don't
29:07
Speaker 11: think anyone believes it. No, I don't think that's that's worked.
29:12
Speaker 11: But I haven't been to all the shires to check
29:16
Speaker 11: out all the pubs around then what they're saying. But
29:19
Speaker 11: from what I'm seeing, I've not heard anyone say I'm
29:24
Speaker 11: a bit worried about that. There's some Iranian guy. Maybe
29:27
Speaker 11: he's Iranian, he's come on a boat, he might be
29:30
Speaker 11: a terrorist. I haven't heard that one yet. But I
29:35
Speaker 11: have to say that I was covering the starmer Arson
29:39
Speaker 11: trial and what I found interesting in that was that
29:43
Speaker 11: as soon as the verdict had been reached, Panorama produced
29:49
Speaker 11: a program of an hour with footage that was only
29:53
Speaker 11: accessible to people in the court, you know, the judge
29:57
Speaker 11: and the jury, etc. And they put it all down
30:01
Speaker 11: to some Russian plot from Putin that was linked to
30:05
Speaker 11: these proxyeds, which is goes straight into the idea that
30:09
Speaker 11: there's a national security state. THREEATS acts needed. It was
30:14
Speaker 11: exactly the same time as that legislation was being put forward,
30:18
Speaker 11: so the PBC was producing propaganda to enable that act,
30:24
Speaker 11: and the fear of people who are being groomed on
30:30
Speaker 11: telegram about you know you can do do this this
30:34
Speaker 11: arson attack and then we'll pay you. And and I'm
30:37
Speaker 11: related to putin, it's just ridiculous what they're expecting people
30:44
Speaker 11: to swallow. No one believes it.
30:45
Speaker 3: I don't think.
30:48
Speaker 9: I was going to say, I mean, what is your view?
30:51
Speaker 9: As you know a conversation host and a lot of
30:55
Speaker 9: your guests, of course, are going to be supporters of
30:59
Speaker 9: Palestine Act. They're going to be incorporated into that State
31:04
Speaker 9: Threat Act.
31:07
Speaker 12: And I know that you.
31:08
Speaker 9: Did a chat GPD search on me before I last
31:12
Speaker 9: came onto your show, So I guess how do you
31:16
Speaker 9: perceive how media is going to deal with this going forward?
31:21
Speaker 9: And of course that applies to UK column, but I'd
31:23
Speaker 9: like to get your view on that.
31:26
Speaker 11: I find it really weird. I've been fretting about this.
31:31
Speaker 11: Great Mudie's put quite a lot of fearing to me
31:34
Speaker 11: on this. Fourteen years in prison. If you even get
31:39
Speaker 11: information from someone who might be connected to the IRGC,
31:44
Speaker 11: I mean, if you even read it off a telegram
31:46
Speaker 11: or something, you can get fourteen years. You don't have
31:49
Speaker 11: to publish it. So he was saying that, and that
31:53
Speaker 11: really put the fear into me. And then yesterday Piers
31:58
Speaker 11: Morgan interviewed one from her mass, so say, someone from
32:03
Speaker 11: her mass, and Peers Morgan interviewed someone a spokesman for
32:07
Speaker 11: her mass on his show. And last week he interviewed
32:11
Speaker 11: Professor Mirandi and I'm thinkfull if he can do that,
32:15
Speaker 11: no one, there's no no one said anything about this.
32:20
Speaker 11: Why can't we just talk to anyone and just say, well,
32:22
Speaker 11: actually I don't approve of you, but can I hear
32:24
Speaker 11: what you've got to say? Because it's about whether you
32:26
Speaker 11: receive any material benefit from interviewing them. But I'm sure
32:31
Speaker 11: Peers Morgan is receiving some material benefit and people are
32:36
Speaker 11: interested in watching his interview with someone from her mass,
32:40
Speaker 11: so he is getting material benefit.
32:43
Speaker 9: Well, I guess, I mean, I guess it depends whether
32:46
Speaker 9: we are perceived to be enemies of the state because
32:49
Speaker 9: of what we're doing, or in the case of Peers Morgan,
32:52
Speaker 9: they probably considered to be an asset of the speak
32:55
Speaker 9: because of what they're doing. But yeah, I mean, I
32:59
Speaker 9: get your point, and and legally that has to be
33:02
Speaker 9: taken into consideration. We've got a couple of minutes laughed.
33:06
Speaker 9: So I know that before you came on, we were
33:08
Speaker 9: talking about Andy Burnham and his initial kind of apparent
33:13
Speaker 9: stance on Palestine and how he's softened slightly. And if
33:18
Speaker 9: we just look at this, Andy Burnham faces his first
33:20
Speaker 9: test over the Palestine Action ban this week, and of
33:24
Speaker 9: course he's maintained the ban on Palestine action. And so
33:28
Speaker 9: while he's trying in a sense to present a different
33:31
Speaker 9: image to Kirstarmer, I know that you think he's duplicitous.
33:37
Speaker 9: I mean he's been a member, he's been a friend
33:39
Speaker 9: of Israel since twenty fifteen. He's against BDS, boycott, divestment
33:45
Speaker 9: and sanctions. He's not entirely going through with an arms
33:49
Speaker 9: embargo on Israel, and he's also not calling it a genocide.
33:54
Speaker 9: He's saying we should leave that to the international courts.
33:58
Speaker 9: So just very quickly, we've we've got a minute. How
34:02
Speaker 9: do you think Andy Burnham is deceiving the left at
34:05
Speaker 9: the moment and do you think he's being successful.
34:09
Speaker 11: The first thing to say is people are desperate for hope.
34:12
Speaker 11: They're desperate for the hope that someone might change everything.
34:16
Speaker 11: So that's the main weakness that everyone's in that they're
34:20
Speaker 11: so desperate. But the evidence is last week there was
34:25
Speaker 11: a process for defend our juries. People being arrested for
34:29
Speaker 11: wearing red. People are being arrested for having someone having
34:33
Speaker 11: said they'd said I support Palistine action. So hearsay they're
34:37
Speaker 11: getting arrested. Andy Burnham has said nothing about that. He
34:41
Speaker 11: said he's got exactly the same legal team in place
34:45
Speaker 11: as his attorney general. He's got Sarah Sackman, who was
34:53
Speaker 11: actually the foreign law clerk at the Israeli Supreme Court
34:57
Speaker 11: as one of the ministers in in his legal team.
35:01
Speaker 11: So I mean that's how bad it is. Yeah, I
35:04
Speaker 11: mean it's just everyone wants hoped, but Andy Burnham is
35:07
Speaker 11: just a better commn than Sarma.
35:12
Speaker 9: Crispin, thank you so much, and I'm sure we'll continue
35:15
Speaker 9: this discussion in extra if you'll hold on for that
35:19
Speaker 9: and we'll see you there.
35:20
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks, thank you, Fanessa, thank you Crispin. Okay,
35:24
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36:21
Speaker 1: And Charles Tomorrow at one pm you're speaking to richel Ward.
36:26
Speaker 5: Yes, indeed, I am the actress and film director who
36:30
Speaker 5: has turned her hand to regenerative farming in New South Wales, Australia.
36:34
Speaker 5: Really inspiring conversation with Rachel, and I've got a clip
36:38
Speaker 5: of her explaining why it is that she was motivated
36:41
Speaker 5: to do what she does.
36:44
Speaker 4: I started to look up, well what else can I do?
36:46
Speaker 4: And out of that I realized I.
36:49
Speaker 9: Was a farmer.
36:50
Speaker 4: I could change my farm to regeneritive principles. I've read
36:53
Speaker 4: this amazing book called Caller the read Warbler by an
36:57
Speaker 4: Australian farmer and writer, Charles Massy, who basically just did
37:03
Speaker 4: this great narrative on all of the earlier doctors in
37:08
Speaker 4: Australia of regenitive farming, and each and every one of
37:12
Speaker 4: them was so inspiring, and they had really reached a
37:16
Speaker 4: head banging moment, a moment where they had to change
37:19
Speaker 4: the paddock between their ears in which to change the
37:23
Speaker 4: way they farmed. And I think that sort of happened.
37:25
Speaker 2: To me as well.
37:26
Speaker 4: I sort of got to a crisis point, and I
37:28
Speaker 4: think almost you have to get there in order to
37:31
Speaker 4: embrace fundamental change, this sort of radical change of your
37:35
Speaker 4: farming practices. So not only did I become a regenerative farmer,
37:40
Speaker 4: but I was a filmmaker and I could make a
37:43
Speaker 4: documentary about my journey from conventional to regeneritive farming, which
37:48
Speaker 4: I did. But most importantly I realized I am a
37:51
Speaker 4: consumer and where I spend my food dollar is what
37:55
Speaker 4: is of utmost importance really, And I sort of, I
37:59
Speaker 4: don't know why to me so long to really understand
38:01
Speaker 4: that that was my power was really where I spent
38:04
Speaker 4: my how I could encourage farming by spending my food
38:09
Speaker 4: dollar with farmers who farmed regeneratively.
38:17
Speaker 1: So one PM for that tomorrow, and chance we have
38:21
Speaker 1: an article on the website on this alleged cybersecurity incident
38:27
Speaker 1: caused by urban AI.
38:30
Speaker 12: Yeah, we do.
38:31
Speaker 5: Christopher Hell's latest Peace And I have to say, for
38:34
Speaker 5: anybody who is rather like me, perhaps slightly bamboozled by
38:38
Speaker 5: all the technological changes that the world is going through
38:41
Speaker 5: every day, then I think this is for you because
38:44
Speaker 5: it does set it out very very clearly exactly what
38:47
Speaker 5: AI may be able to do and may not be
38:50
Speaker 5: able to do, and some of the battles that are
38:53
Speaker 5: being fought currently, but specifically around regulation and the utter
38:59
Speaker 5: disregard for the potential pitfalls and problems with it. So
39:03
Speaker 5: I really would encourage people to get into this and
39:05
Speaker 5: share it widely.
39:07
Speaker 1: Thanks Charles. Now let's come back to you and the
39:11
Speaker 1: user this morning that SpaceX is crashing bits of space
39:16
Speaker 1: debris into the Moon at the moment apparently.
39:19
Speaker 5: Well, so the story goes, Yeah, We'll just have a
39:23
Speaker 5: look at a bit of b roll footage here from
39:27
Speaker 5: space dot com. This is going back to a launch
39:30
Speaker 5: from the Falcon nine a SpaceX asset. And whilst this
39:35
Speaker 5: story might seem outlandish and somewhat ludicrous, course does first
39:39
Speaker 5: of all ask question who should or should not be
39:43
Speaker 5: able to put what is in effect sort of destructive
39:47
Speaker 5: ordinance into space anywhere near the Moon if any of
39:52
Speaker 5: this is actually possible, And regardless of what your view
39:55
Speaker 5: may be on such matters, the point is that the
39:59
Speaker 5: control of this is in the hands of a very
40:01
Speaker 5: small number of people. Now, what this does coincide with
40:04
Speaker 5: is the quarterly results from SpaceX, and whilst to a
40:09
Speaker 5: certain extent the situation perpetuates, they post losses of five
40:13
Speaker 5: hundred and forty one million dollars, which they say is
40:15
Speaker 5: an improvement from losses of one billion dollars over the
40:19
Speaker 5: same quarter last year. The only profitable area of their
40:23
Speaker 5: business really is the connectivity part of it, which of
40:27
Speaker 5: course incorporates star Shield, the defense specific defense capability. And
40:34
Speaker 5: they've got six six billion dollars worth of government contracts
40:38
Speaker 5: in regard to that, which I do want you to
40:40
Speaker 5: hold in mind. But the bit that I want you
40:41
Speaker 5: to look at is just posted at the bottom there,
40:44
Speaker 5: and this is with regard to AI and the amount
40:48
Speaker 5: of computing power or specifically electricity that is being demanded
40:52
Speaker 5: by this and that's one point four gigawatts. Now that
40:54
Speaker 5: might not mean very much to you, so I'll contextualize
40:57
Speaker 5: it by showing you the energy dashboard from the Kingdom
41:00
Speaker 5: this morning, and effectively that amount equates to somewhere between
41:04
Speaker 5: what was being generated by solar or by wind in
41:07
Speaker 5: the UK earlier on this morning. It is an absolutely
41:11
Speaker 5: vast amount of energy and there's no doubt that it
41:13
Speaker 5: means that that resource, those resources are going to be
41:17
Speaker 5: scarcer and scarcer for the likes of you and I.
41:19
Speaker 5: And just to finish on this, an article on the
41:22
Speaker 5: website called Space Wars Overboard hones Sea of Peace dealing
41:27
Speaker 5: with this element of corporate control and dual use space
41:31
Speaker 5: assets low Earth orbit satellites in particular, and the military
41:34
Speaker 5: application of them, which course is never discussed.
41:37
Speaker 1: Indeed, thank you for that chance. But there's a back
41:40
Speaker 1: to you then. And over the last number of weeks
41:44
Speaker 1: it's been increasingly impossible to ignore the activities of settlers
41:50
Speaker 1: in the West Bank.
41:53
Speaker 9: Yes well, both the settlers in the West Bank, increasing
41:56
Speaker 9: annexation and so on, and settler violence against Palestinians, and
42:01
Speaker 9: in fact, four days ago the BBC interviewed Yehuda Shimon.
42:06
Speaker 9: He's a lawyer with an organization that represents is really's
42:09
Speaker 9: arrested for violence against Palestinians, so he obviously defends that violence.
42:16
Speaker 9: Now again, the BBC, if we can just come back
42:19
Speaker 9: to the title of this article very quickly, because I
42:22
Speaker 9: want people to remember this. So the title is is
42:25
Speaker 9: really west Bank settler tells the BBC that attacks on
42:29
Speaker 9: Palestinians are justified as revenge. Now, if you read that title,
42:34
Speaker 9: it sounds very much as if the BBC is literally
42:37
Speaker 9: endorsing the statement from the West Bank Settler. And I
42:43
Speaker 9: just want to play the first ten seconds of this
42:47
Speaker 9: interview with Yehuda Shimon and we'll hear him explain what
42:52
Speaker 9: he means by revenge.
42:55
Speaker 2: I don't go to the Palestinian people and burn the houses.
43:00
Speaker 8: That's exactly what happened on Friday. Yes, six houses inside.
43:04
Speaker 2: It's revenge.
43:08
Speaker 9: So what is he talking about as regards revenge. So
43:11
Speaker 9: this has been summarized on x by a number of accounts,
43:14
Speaker 9: so I've just picked one. And actually, if you go
43:17
Speaker 9: to the show notes, there's a whole thread of the
43:19
Speaker 9: continued settler violence. But basically a large group of settler terrorists,
43:23
Speaker 9: including many children, went out from the Havat Gillard settlement
43:27
Speaker 9: in the West Bank to an organized program in the
43:30
Speaker 9: nearby Palestinian village of Tal in the West Bank. While
43:34
Speaker 9: attacking the locals, one of the victims, one of the
43:37
Speaker 9: Palestinians managed to grab the attacker's weapon and shot him
43:42
Speaker 9: before himself being martyred to the sound of settlers cheering
43:46
Speaker 9: and yelling Arab down and revenge. One of the settlers
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Speaker 9: then continued to execute three more Palestinians in cold blood
43:54
Speaker 9: while the Israeli soldiers were standing and watching from the side.
43:59
Speaker 9: Now just very quickly, to give people some context, here
44:02
Speaker 9: is a map of the area that I'm talking about,
44:05
Speaker 9: and in the top corner you can see how it
44:08
Speaker 9: relates to the map of the occupied territories now at
44:11
Speaker 9: the same time, so you can see there the settlement
44:15
Speaker 9: of Havat Gilad which basically attacked Tell to the northeast.
44:23
Speaker 9: But what is effectively happening at the moment these settlement
44:26
Speaker 9: outposts which are marked in purple, are joining together. The
44:32
Speaker 9: green Israeli built up settlements in order to absorb and
44:36
Speaker 9: ethnically clans the Palestinians. From the red areas, which are
44:40
Speaker 9: Palestinian farming agricultural areas. Of course, at the same time
44:45
Speaker 9: they're burning agricultural land, the forestry, the olive trees, they're annexing.
44:50
Speaker 9: It has now been legalized to effectively annex more and
44:55
Speaker 9: more territory, even in the Palestinian controlled territories. Now, this
45:01
Speaker 9: is where we come to the shocking part of this interview,
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Speaker 9: and where, in my opinion, the BBC barely reacted beyond
45:08
Speaker 9: what the journalist actually did say to him. But let's
45:11
Speaker 9: just play this.
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Speaker 2: I think now after they killed one is where the
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Speaker 2: people we need to kill, all the people in tel
45:21
Speaker 2: and Sarah, even Jit and Ferreta. Why because we don't
45:28
Speaker 2: want it's happened again.
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Speaker 8: It sounds like you're saying one Jewish life is worth
45:34
Speaker 8: hundreds or thousands of Palestinian lives.
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Speaker 2: Not million. One Jewish life, it's ten million.
45:44
Speaker 8: Okay, that just sounds racist.
45:46
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, I know, but this is the true
45:53
Speaker 2: because God choose us because of this, you are jealous.
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Speaker 9: I have to say. She would also probably be included
46:04
Speaker 9: in the unta mentioned category. Now, I want to come
46:09
Speaker 9: on to Munto Isaac. He's a Palestinian Christian theologian, evangelical
46:14
Speaker 9: Lutheran pastor in Romala so in the West Bank, director
46:19
Speaker 9: of the Beththlehem Institute for Peace and Justice. And this
46:22
Speaker 9: is how he responds to this idea of this being
46:26
Speaker 9: any kind of legitimate revenge.
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Speaker 12: This is actually beyond racism, because this is the ideology
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Speaker 12: that makes genocide possible. What is specially important is that
46:42
Speaker 12: he does not even attempt to justify this as a
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Speaker 12: matter of security or self defense, but he grounds this
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Speaker 12: belief in his theology of election. We are chosen. For
46:58
Speaker 12: this to come from a religious person is actually shocking,
47:01
Speaker 12: because this not only against basic human morality, even while
47:05
Speaker 12: it is the taught us on principle of proportional justice.
47:08
Speaker 12: And I for an eye.
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Speaker 9: Now you heard a shimon who bear in mind, is
47:16
Speaker 9: a lawyer defending Israeli settlers who have committed terrible acts
47:21
Speaker 9: of violence against Palestinians. Let's hear him compare international law
47:27
Speaker 9: to the Bible.
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Speaker 2: The Bible is the authorizing that this land belonged to us.
47:38
Speaker 8: Okay, Israel occupied it militarily and under international law that
47:43
Speaker 8: means that no civilian settlements can be built.
47:45
Speaker 2: But the God not right in the Bible, the international law.
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Speaker 8: So you're a lawyer and you're saying the only law
47:54
Speaker 8: that really counts for you is the Bible.
47:57
Speaker 9: Of course, right now, I just want to quickly show
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Speaker 9: this video, so I'm switching to Gaza very quickly, because
48:08
Speaker 9: when we're talking about settler violence, we can't disassociate it
48:12
Speaker 9: from the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Gazal civil defense crews
48:16
Speaker 9: have recovered the remains of one hundred and twelve members
48:19
Speaker 9: of two families from the rubble of their homes in Gaza.
48:23
Speaker 9: The bodies, which had lain under the debris for nearly
48:26
Speaker 9: three years, are expected to be buried in what is
48:29
Speaker 9: described as one of the largest funerals since the start
48:32
Speaker 9: of the genocide. Nearly two hundred more relatives of the
48:35
Speaker 9: families are still believed to be under the rubble, and
48:39
Speaker 9: of course Israel is accused of wiping out entire families.
48:43
Speaker 9: But when outlets like the Lancet are saying the likelihood
48:48
Speaker 9: is that five hundred thousand Palestinians have been killed, and
48:51
Speaker 9: when we're hearing that these bodies are being discovered even
48:54
Speaker 9: three years after the genocide or the current genocide began,
48:59
Speaker 9: now I want to go back to Munta Isaac as
49:03
Speaker 9: a last word. Very recently, in the last two days,
49:07
Speaker 9: Jewish settlers in Jerusalem attacked on Armenian Church, both spitting
49:13
Speaker 9: and issuing insults to the people inside. But I just
49:18
Speaker 9: want to and on a slightly hopeful note, if I can,
49:22
Speaker 9: from Munta Isaac explaining how peace can to some degree
49:27
Speaker 9: be achieved or at least what we should be looking
49:29
Speaker 9: for within this ongoing occupation of Palestine.
49:36
Speaker 12: There can be no peace. Why theologies of supremacy remain unchallenged.
49:42
Speaker 12: There's really government must be held accountable for promoting and
49:46
Speaker 12: empowering this religious extremism, and those governments, churches and institutions
49:52
Speaker 12: that continue to normalize relations with a state advancing such
49:56
Speaker 12: ideologies are complicit and are allowing these ideologists to grow
50:02
Speaker 12: with devastating consequences on the lives of Palace.
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Speaker 1: That includes the UK regime of course, absolutely does thank
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Speaker 1: you for that. Froanessa, Charles. Let's come back to you then,
50:18
Speaker 1: and well, as we mentioned in the introduction to the program,
50:22
Speaker 1: apparently we are now running tests or medical trials on
50:28
Speaker 1: this new ebola vaccine.
50:32
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and that started just a week or
50:36
Speaker 5: so ago. And what I would encourage you to do
50:39
Speaker 5: is listen to what I'm going to talk about, but
50:42
Speaker 5: without necessarily focusing on Ebola, because it's all about the
50:46
Speaker 5: business model. You will remember, of course that the World
50:49
Speaker 5: Health Organization declared some weeks ago now that the confected
50:53
Speaker 5: panic over ebola was at the outside but of code
51:05
Speaker 5: the hot of what we're going to look at.
51:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles, I'm sorry, you're your audio is breaking up significantly,
51:17
Speaker 1: So let's just move back, because you were saying that
51:23
Speaker 1: there's still money to be made, so let's take it
51:26
Speaker 1: from that point again.
51:29
Speaker 5: Indeed, well that there is always money to be made,
51:31
Speaker 5: and this is exactly what this is all about. And
51:34
Speaker 5: that's why we look at the footage from Oxford in
51:38
Speaker 5: which the first participant has signed up for receipt of
51:44
Speaker 5: the trial vaccination. Now, this is, by any stretch, I think,
51:48
Speaker 5: pushing the bones of what can really be described as science,
51:51
Speaker 5: because of course this is a trial that involves just
51:54
Speaker 5: fifty people who are described as needing to be healthy.
51:59
Speaker 5: Of course, you will have noted the prominence of the
52:02
Speaker 5: microphones attached to the man receiving the vaccination there or
52:07
Speaker 5: the injection, because of course this is a pr opportunity
52:11
Speaker 5: above anything else, and this is being run by the
52:15
Speaker 5: Oxford Vaccine the Oxford Vaccine Scheme, sorry, the Oxford Vaccine Group,
52:23
Speaker 5: and that the important part to consider is exactly what
52:29
Speaker 5: it is that the participants are told with regard to risk,
52:34
Speaker 5: and it's made clear, or rather it is only made
52:37
Speaker 5: clear to them that this was made. The vaccine was
52:39
Speaker 5: made using similar technology to the COVID vaccine. But they
52:42
Speaker 5: do declare that the COVID vaccine was safe in the
52:45
Speaker 5: vast majority of people. However, it was linked to serious
52:48
Speaker 5: reactions that could result in death or serious illness in
52:52
Speaker 5: a very small number of cases. So there is that
52:54
Speaker 5: small concession there. And now with regard to what benefits
52:58
Speaker 5: there are for anybody taking part in this, they do
53:01
Speaker 5: say that there is no direct benefit. Now this is
53:05
Speaker 5: actually not true, because of course anyone participating is eligible
53:08
Speaker 5: for up to twelve hundred pounds in cash. But who
53:12
Speaker 5: is certainly going to benefit is anybody associated with KEPI,
53:18
Speaker 5: the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, and indeed the investors
53:25
Speaker 5: that they have associated with them. It was founded in
53:28
Speaker 5: Davos by the governments of Norway and India, the Bill
53:32
Speaker 5: Lindigates Foundation, Welcome and the World Economic Forum, so that
53:38
Speaker 5: I'm sure will have reassured you that they're all going
53:42
Speaker 5: in the right direction. But they've produced a new document
53:44
Speaker 5: about securing the future, and I think that's the bit
53:47
Speaker 5: that I want to concentrate on in the way that
53:48
Speaker 5: the Abola trial is being used in effect as part
53:52
Speaker 5: of the business plan. And the critical part to pay
53:56
Speaker 5: attention to is what it is that they say in
54:00
Speaker 5: their publication, which is that in less than a decade,
54:03
Speaker 5: Kepia has become a central pillar of the world's epidemic
54:06
Speaker 5: and pandemic defense system and Galvani support for its one
54:10
Speaker 5: hundred days mission, the goal to develop and authorize safe,
54:14
Speaker 5: effective and accessible vaccines within one hundred days of identifying
54:19
Speaker 5: a new pandemic threat. And they go on to say
54:22
Speaker 5: that the coalition is seeking a two point five billion
54:27
Speaker 5: dollar new funding to shift the world from reactive crisis
54:30
Speaker 5: response to proactive protection. And this really is the important bit,
54:34
Speaker 5: because they're not simply going to be content with pushing
54:38
Speaker 5: a vaccine out after the fact. This is all to
54:41
Speaker 5: do with engineering a situation within which people are convinced
54:44
Speaker 5: through fear that they must become vaccinated against absolutely anything
54:48
Speaker 5: that they're told and that that will be a preventative measure.
54:52
Speaker 5: And just to articulate this, they talk about the various
54:55
Speaker 5: schemes that got going on around the world. But the
54:57
Speaker 5: important point to note is that they referring to specifically
55:02
Speaker 5: a live fired drill response using H five N one
55:06
Speaker 5: as a simulated future pandemic threat. Now this course is
55:09
Speaker 5: the bird flu threat. So what a coincidence that bird
55:12
Speaker 5: flu just so happens to be something that was used
55:15
Speaker 5: as a live fire drill, And of course that has
55:17
Speaker 5: been pushed to such a great extent with regard to
55:20
Speaker 5: media exposure. And I would just finish off by pointing
55:24
Speaker 5: you towards a very very comprehensive interview with Magda Taylor
55:28
Speaker 5: about vaccination and her work through the Informed Parent dealing
55:32
Speaker 5: with so many of the subject issues around this that
55:35
Speaker 5: people don't really seem to fully understand. But I think
55:38
Speaker 5: with regard to ebola and the business case for this
55:42
Speaker 5: and future vaccines, watch this space.
55:45
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Now back to the United States
55:48
Speaker 1: and Jose Viga is standing in the Bronx. In the
55:51
Speaker 1: upcoming midterms, political decided they would target him for some
55:55
Speaker 1: criticism over in his funding. The accused him of using
55:59
Speaker 1: campaign money pay himself what they describe as a modest salary,
56:03
Speaker 1: and they say that since January twenty twenty five, he
56:06
Speaker 1: has paid himself thirty seven thousand dollars. This is us
56:10
Speaker 1: politics we're talking about here, and so their attack is
56:13
Speaker 1: at best laughable. Anyway, Jose has decided to hit back,
56:16
Speaker 1: and he has said On Monday, July twenty seven, Politico
56:22
Speaker 1: published a hit piece against me, denouncing me for paying
56:25
Speaker 1: myself a monthly salary of twenty four hundred and nineteen
56:28
Speaker 1: dollars sixty six cents from January to May of twenty
56:32
Speaker 1: twenty six. The author, Jason Bieferman, describes it as a
56:35
Speaker 1: modest salary he supplied. He went on multiply that figure
56:40
Speaker 1: of twenty four hundred and nineteen dollars over the eleven
56:43
Speaker 1: months from January until November, the full length of the
56:46
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six congressional campaign cycle. That's twenty six six
56:51
Speaker 1: hundred and nine dollars for the year gross. I'm supposed
56:54
Speaker 1: to be enriching myself. The poverty line for a single
56:57
Speaker 1: adult in New York City is twenty three three one
57:00
Speaker 1: hundred and four dollars. My payments are completely illegal, and
57:03
Speaker 1: he went on to say my job, so to speak,
57:07
Speaker 1: for more than a year has been to run for
57:08
Speaker 1: office on a full time basis against APAK candidate Richie Torres,
57:14
Speaker 1: who has fourteen million dollars before the campaign started. Politicals
57:18
Speaker 1: hit piece is meant to stop me and Americans like me,
57:21
Speaker 1: particularly who are young and poor, from speaking the truth
57:24
Speaker 1: against the killing in Gaza, against the illegal Ku kox
57:27
Speaker 1: Klan style annexation of the West Bank, and against the
57:30
Speaker 1: Epstein class which is carrying out these great crimes, including
57:34
Speaker 1: the late Lindsey Lady bug Graham. So I would say
57:38
Speaker 1: I want to encourage everyone to listen to my recent
57:41
Speaker 1: interview with jose if you're not based in the United States.
57:45
Speaker 1: What he's doing I think is pretty inspirational. So if
57:48
Speaker 1: you haven't seen that interview, please have a look at it.
57:51
Speaker 1: And then Charles finally just back to you and how's
57:56
Speaker 1: the harvest been going in the UK?
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Speaker 5: I think that was always a mixed bag, but it's
58:03
Speaker 5: really the way in which it's been used as a
58:05
Speaker 5: news item more propaganda issue in that, as is often
58:08
Speaker 5: the case, the weather is blamed for poor food outcomes
58:11
Speaker 5: and poor reliability of the security of food. We've got
58:16
Speaker 5: the Agriculture, Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board here showing that
58:19
Speaker 5: we've had the earliest harvest apparently for the last twenty years.
58:23
Speaker 5: The Guardian, of course, slightly more apocalyptic, talking about food
58:27
Speaker 5: shortages with drought. So it doesn't really matter what the
58:29
Speaker 5: situation is, but food shortages and we will have to
58:32
Speaker 5: bear sort of national security in mind. But this continues
58:36
Speaker 5: to obscure the way in which mainstream, sort of chemically
58:39
Speaker 5: induced agriculture has in fact destroyed large swathes of the environment.
58:43
Speaker 5: Also asks the question about the volumes of certainly arable farming,
58:48
Speaker 5: which of course wheat, barley and sugar beet in the
58:51
Speaker 5: question of is are those things actually necessary in the
58:54
Speaker 5: diet of the vast majority of the population. But that's
58:57
Speaker 5: a slightly a bleaque issue. What is relevant, though, is
59:01
Speaker 5: that at a time where the government could be at
59:04
Speaker 5: least making a show of making a difference, they've announced
59:06
Speaker 5: that they're committing twenty million pounds to a robot revolution
59:10
Speaker 5: and this has come apparently for farms that struggle to
59:14
Speaker 5: find enough seasonal workers at harvest time. Again, no real
59:18
Speaker 5: addressing of the specific problem and how it's been got
59:22
Speaker 5: to and this is part of a wider one hundred
59:24
Speaker 5: and twenty three million pound commitment for cutting edge farming
59:28
Speaker 5: research and technology. Now the bit they don't really tell
59:31
Speaker 5: you is that this has come from Innovate UK, which
59:34
Speaker 5: is a part of UK Research and Innovation. And as
59:37
Speaker 5: I've described last week, this is of course taxpayer money
59:39
Speaker 5: going all the way up through DESET and the Treasury.
59:44
Speaker 5: But what is not made clear to the viewer is
59:48
Speaker 5: the fact that we have the partnerships associated with Innovate
59:58
Speaker 5: UK and the co corporate opportunities, and of course the
1:00:01
Speaker 5: government completely obfuscates this, but this is this is absolutely
1:00:05
Speaker 5: where it's going, so at a time where they could
1:00:07
Speaker 5: be committing energy, resources, money, all the rest of it
1:00:11
Speaker 5: to jobs for humans. The idea is in fact that
1:00:14
Speaker 5: the economy should be reshaped in order that robots can
1:00:17
Speaker 5: conduct those sorts of activities. Now, one of the reasons
1:00:20
Speaker 5: that nobody appears care about this is, of course, according
1:00:22
Speaker 5: to government statistics, the agricultural sector contributes just zero point
1:00:27
Speaker 5: six of a percent of gross value added to the economy,
1:00:31
Speaker 5: and that in a way tells a story of its own.
1:00:33
Speaker 5: The only other thing to add is that the statistics
1:00:35
Speaker 5: that have been published very recently suggests that the organic
1:00:38
Speaker 5: farming sector and the land dedicated to it and in
1:00:41
Speaker 5: conversion has increased quite quite steeply over the last year.
1:00:45
Speaker 5: So there'll be more to come on.
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Speaker 1: That brilliant Thank you very much, Charles. We've got to
1:00:50
Speaker 1: leave it there for today because we're absolutely at the time.
1:00:53
Speaker 1: Thank you to David and Crispin for joining us today,
1:00:57
Speaker 1: and Vanessa and Charles for are your reports, and thank
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