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Which politician is Australia’s biggest Traitor? · The Front

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  Speaker 1: From The Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. Reality TV usually gets filed under Guilty Pleasures,
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  Speaker 1: but The Traders has changed that. While it's only been
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  Speaker 1: around for a few years, it's become the gold standard
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  Speaker 1: for shows combining reality TV and gameplay. Originally a Dutch
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  Speaker 1: series called Deferadas, The Traders has exploded internationally, with over
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  Speaker 1: thirty countries contributing to the franchise. All follow the same formula.
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  Speaker 1: About twenty contestants descend on some kind of manner, competing
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  Speaker 1: for a prize perse that grows as different challenges are completed.
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  Speaker 1: Among the contestants, at least three are secretly picked to
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  Speaker 1: be Traders. The rest are Faithfuls. Traders fly under the
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  Speaker 1: radar and murder one faithful a day. The Faithfuls have
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  Speaker 1: to figure out who's doing the murdering and banish them.
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  Speaker 1: I think Survivor meets and then there were none. There's collaboration,
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  Speaker 1: but more importantly, there's lies and deception a lot like
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  Speaker 1: Canberra really, and that's why I thought the perfect person
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this show is The Australian's Canberra Bureau
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  Speaker 1: chief Richard Ferguson.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I always promise myself I'll never be on
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  Speaker 2: a sort of reality show. But I watched the game.
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  Speaker 2: I watched it and I thought, this is the most
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  Speaker 2: revealing thing I've ever seen about the human mind.
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  Speaker 1: This is Stephen Frye, who competed on the Celebrity Traders UK.
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  Speaker 2: Can we read people? Can we deceive people? It's a
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  Speaker 2: very basic question from high politics to everyday life. We
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  Speaker 2: ask ourselves and to be in it was a genuine thrill.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like to be a traitor or do you
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  Speaker 2: like to bear faithful? Faithful?
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  Speaker 3: I hope to be an absolutely formidable traitor.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be a faithful No, I want to
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  Speaker 4: be a traitor.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be a traitor.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, no, you will have to stab people in
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  Speaker 1: the back.
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  Speaker 2: Then do it to me.
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  Speaker 5: The show is people, I'll do it to them. You
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  Speaker 5: know what celebrities are like, they're two.
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  Speaker 1: Faced reaching First up, I want to know trader or faithful.
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  Speaker 5: I actually think i'd be a faithful To be honest, Claire,
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  Speaker 5: I think I'd be a terrible trader as anybody probably
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  Speaker 5: at The Australian or anyone I've ever dealt with, will
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  Speaker 5: tell you. I don't really have a poker face. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not a very good liar. I can't keep a secret.
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  Speaker 5: So I think generally I think i'd be a pretty
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  Speaker 5: bad trader. But I think what really fascinates me about
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  Speaker 5: the show is what the reason the faith will always
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  Speaker 5: fall apart is that what they see as traitor behavior
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  Speaker 5: is not actually good trader behavior. They always go for
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  Speaker 5: the person who's panicking, who's freaking out, while as the
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  Speaker 5: trader is subtle. The trader is the one who's got
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  Speaker 5: in all the friendship groups, who's got the chat, who's
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  Speaker 5: keeping their head down, And this is why so often
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  Speaker 5: they go under the radar. So I think what people
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  Speaker 5: think a trader should be is not always what a
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  Speaker 5: trader should be.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I'm always drawn to the
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  Speaker 1: people who say that they want to be traders, maybe
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  Speaker 1: because they're just honest, although I myself would be a
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  Speaker 1: terrible trader, just like you, only because I'm so neurotic
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  Speaker 1: and I want people to like me. I'd be horrified
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  Speaker 1: at the thought that people didn't like me, and that
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  Speaker 1: would take all the fun for me out of conniving
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  Speaker 1: and stabbing people in the bag.
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  Speaker 5: I think one of the reasons that people always want
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  Speaker 5: to see their Traders is actually the same reason that
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  Speaker 5: people want to be Joanna Lumley and absolutely fabulous, or
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  Speaker 5: Peter Capaldi in the It or Brian Coxon's succession.
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  Speaker 1: So I wasn't about to get into a fucking big
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  Speaker 1: dick competition.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I know that you've read a lot of
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  Speaker 6: books about business management and this and that, but you
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  Speaker 6: know what what, sometimes it is a big dick competition.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody aspires to be the bad guy, to be free
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  Speaker 5: of convention, to be mischievous and devilish and in control
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  Speaker 5: and unstoppable. The Traders really brings that out in people.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody wants to be a sinner.
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  Speaker 6: The spanishment, I'm gonna do what I think dash see.
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  Speaker 7: I'm torn because I hear his name and I hear
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  Speaker 7: Hannah's name.
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  Speaker 6: Name is gone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe the Traders is as close as we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to the Roman Senate, where politics was a performance.
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  Speaker 4: My father spent all his time at study, He spent
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  Speaker 4: his twelve hours reading scrolls from the Senate, and all
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  Speaker 4: the while the people were forgotten that the Senate is
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  Speaker 4: the people, say, chosen from among the people to.
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  Speaker 1: Speak for the people.
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  Speaker 4: I judge many of the people it so well as
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  Speaker 4: you do. Gracis, we'll have such splendid mistresses. Guys, I
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  Speaker 4: think I understand my own people.
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  Speaker 1: I can't resist asking you to compare this to the
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  Speaker 1: camera political scene right now. We've just seen the wily
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi, the master political tactician, completely do over Susan
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  Speaker 1: Lee and the Coalition and they've now fallen apart. Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: What does it say about Labour's economic incompetence when its
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  Speaker 1: own Treasury secretary is voting to lift rates.
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  Speaker 2: I do encourage my people, do not yell out of time.
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  Speaker 3: There's enough behind her doing at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: David Little Proud might have thought he was being a
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  Speaker 1: t when he attempted to blow up the coalition, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it might have been really Anthony Albanesi. What's
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  Speaker 1: your take on that.
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  Speaker 5: I think that if anybody was to be a trader
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  Speaker 5: in Canberra, Anthony Albanzi Penny one would make very good traders.
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  Speaker 7: I note that married at first sight begins tonight.
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  Speaker 5: And it's a bit like that with the relationships on
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  Speaker 5: the other side.
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  Speaker 7: You know they're going to win badly, you know, there's
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  Speaker 7: going to be.
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  Speaker 5: I think that Angus Taylor's definitely proven to be a
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  Speaker 5: better trader than Andrew Hasty.
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  Speaker 7: Susan Lee holding on to her job by a thread,
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  Speaker 7: rival Angus Taylor not yet clear on when to strike.
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  Speaker 5: David little Proude is a classic example of a trader
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  Speaker 5: who can't keep a straight face and kind of blows
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  Speaker 5: himself up. But people that you'd make good traders in
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  Speaker 5: Canberra are actually the slier ones I think someday, like
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  Speaker 5: a Leger Spender.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I'm about policy, I'm not about parties.
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  Speaker 5: Most of the tales are the most faithful, faithful as
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  Speaker 5: you can imagine, like you know, can't take a track,
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  Speaker 5: don't understand the complexities of politics, kind of run around
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  Speaker 5: well as Allegra Spender kind of quietly does her thing
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  Speaker 5: and gets stuff done. And for fans of Trader season four,
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  Speaker 5: the UK version, I think that Allegra Spender would be
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  Speaker 5: a bit of a rachel.
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  Speaker 7: I really wanted this and I was manifest and just
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  Speaker 7: visualizing Claudia tap on the shoulder, and then when she did,
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  Speaker 7: I was like, oh my god, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 7: murder people, which sounds so bad, but I can't wait.
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  Speaker 7: I'm really looking forward.
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  Speaker 1: Reality TV is the new mainstream entertainment. Everyone I know
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  Speaker 1: is watching some reality franchise or other, and they seem
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  Speaker 1: to have kind of lost this shame. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: felt any shame about being a reality fan? And do
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  Speaker 1: you think that that is true?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 5: I have to say clear, I am generally not a
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  Speaker 5: reality fan because I am a bit of a softy
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  Speaker 5: and I don't like watching people lose.
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  Speaker 1: Tamara and Matteo, you failed to build on a connect
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  Speaker 1: with each other. Sorry, guys, do you have time in
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  Speaker 1: the villa? Is up?
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  Speaker 5: I don't like game shows. I don't like drag race
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  Speaker 5: or I've never really been into the Real Housewives or
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  Speaker 5: the Kardashians, the kind of ananity of that.
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  Speaker 1: How old am I stops?
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  Speaker 3: How old are you now?
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  Speaker 1: Both of you?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, separate, Nana.
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  Speaker 5: I do like things like location, location, location, I like
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  Speaker 5: a reality I like a real estate show, and I
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  Speaker 5: like shows where people kind of get better. I think
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  Speaker 5: the greatest ever reality show is Mary Queen of Shops,
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  Speaker 5: which is Mary Portos, who is the inspiration for absolutely Fabulous.
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  Speaker 5: She ran named Harvey Nichols for a really long time
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  Speaker 5: and she would go into charity shops and renovate them.
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  Speaker 3: This clean, bright, fixed factory shop front is a world
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  Speaker 3: away from the previous drab of putting exterior.
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  Speaker 5: I really enjoyed that because she would sort of go
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  Speaker 5: up to these old ladies and say this looks absolutely terrible,
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  Speaker 5: and they'd go, no, it doesn't, it's great, and so
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  Speaker 5: I enjoy I enjoy a little bit of self invention.
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  Speaker 5: But I never really thought I would get into The
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  Speaker 5: Traders for this exact reason, and it is kind of
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  Speaker 5: deception and meanness, but I think there's just something so
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  Speaker 5: base human about it. It really gets to the core
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  Speaker 5: of just who people are and how they interact. For example,
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  Speaker 5: in this recent season of The Traders UK, there's one
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  Speaker 5: young girl called Jade, and Jade was a Faithful. She
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  Speaker 5: wasn't a trader, but every five minutes people were accusing
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  Speaker 5: her of being a trader. And I think it's because
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  Speaker 5: she was slightly aloof and beautiful and herd mentality is incredible.
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  Speaker 5: They all pile on the Faithful, vote them out as
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  Speaker 5: a trader, and then it's like they weren't a trader.
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  Speaker 5: They clearly weren't a trader. It really gets to the
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  Speaker 5: basis of Humanity, the Dark Impulses, the original sin if
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  Speaker 5: you will.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up more of my conversation Richard Ferguson. So you ask,
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  Speaker 1: when's Traders coming to Australia. Well, it's already been here,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody noticed. After two seasons, Network Ten canceled the show.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cult hit, but it didn't get the
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  Speaker 1: ratings it needed to justify the huge budget you need
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  Speaker 1: to make a show like this. Averaging about two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty thousand viewers just wasn't good enough. At the time,
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  Speaker 1: Ten's programmers said they hoped to have another go after
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  Speaker 1: Australian's got a taste for the British and American versions,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why now they're in post production of a
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  Speaker 1: new version, filmed last spring at a heritage mansion in
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  Speaker 1: New Zealand. It'll have a cast of all reality stars,
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  Speaker 1: including Chrissy marsh from the Real Housewives of Sydney.
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  Speaker 7: And I've said to you made me feel really uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 4: You're taking selfies the whole time, saying that you're bored
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  Speaker 4: at at dinner table.
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  Speaker 1: I probably did do all those things. To be fair,
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  Speaker 1: only boring people get bored. I'm never bored Tully Smyth
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  Speaker 1: from Big Brother and Kira Maguire and Alex Nation from
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  Speaker 1: The Bachelor, plus John Farnham's son Rob hosting will be
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  Speaker 1: reality stalwart Gretel Colleen, who helped power Big Brother to
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  Speaker 1: cultural dominance in the naughties. I've loved UK Celebrity Traders
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  Speaker 1: because they've got some incredible real celebrities, people like Stephen Frye,
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  Speaker 1: the actress Celia Imri. My favorite was the actor Nick Muhammad,
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  Speaker 1: who played the villain in ted Lasso.
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  Speaker 3: Some you're constantly getting beat on the wings, it's because
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  Speaker 3: you're in decisive your second guest more than a shitty psychic.
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  Speaker 3: The only African I know more in prison by the
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  Speaker 3: wrong thoughts is God Done Nelson Mandela.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also in that UK series a YouTuber and
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  Speaker 1: a couple of newer kind of celebrities, And in the
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  Speaker 1: US version of the Celebrity Traders they're much more leaning
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  Speaker 1: towards new kinds of celebrities, reality TV sort of fixtures,
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  Speaker 1: you know, YouTubers, social media people. It's an interesting reflection,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it, on how the nature of celebrity is changing
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  Speaker 1: and who gets to be a celebrity now.
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  Speaker 5: It definitely is. And that's where the Traders US and
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  Speaker 5: the Traders UK are very different. Traders UK and the
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  Speaker 5: original Netherlands version are very much real people. What's most
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  Speaker 5: interesting is the real people have become celebrities. You know
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  Speaker 5: Diane from season two M who was this kind of
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  Speaker 5: nor of an Irish mother who was getting rid of
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  Speaker 5: all the Traders and then she eventually gets done in
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  Speaker 5: she has become a celebrity and her own rate.
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  Speaker 4: They're getting very smart people and they.
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  Speaker 2: Well exactly exactly, so they're getting rid of all the
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  Speaker 2: smart ones.
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  Speaker 1: You're still a question on no, yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing some weird things.
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  Speaker 7: What am I doing?
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  Speaker 1: That's weird?
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  Speaker 2: You're throwing names out, you're going off of motion.
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  Speaker 1: Totally disagree with you. Richard Ferguson is the Australian's Canbra
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  Speaker 1: Bureau chief. You can read his work anytime at the
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  Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au and you can catch the
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  Speaker 1: Traders on Network ten. This episode of the Front was
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  Speaker 1: hosted by me Claire Harvey and co produced with Jasper Leek.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the Front this week. Our
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  Speaker 1: team also includes Leah Tamaglu, Christen Amiot, Tiffany Dimack and
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  Speaker 1: Joshua Burton,