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Are Your Breast Implants Killing You? Andi Lew Bares it All · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. So I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: or not you guys know this. March is National Breast
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Speaker 1: Implant Awareness Month. So it was a perfect time to
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Speaker 1: have today's guest, her name is Andy Liu, on to
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Speaker 1: discuss her very personal experiences when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: negative side of breast implants and BII, better known as
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Speaker 1: breast implant illness. Andy is a very successful television presenter
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Speaker 1: in Australia. She's written 10 books on everything from wellness
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Speaker 1: to dating. A couple of years ago, she started to
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Speaker 1: feel sick. She was tired. She had symptoms like brain fog,
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Speaker 1: digestive issues, rapid hair loss. These symptoms can mean a
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Speaker 1: million different things, of course, but she had this gut
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Speaker 1: feeling it was due to her breast implants. She went
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Speaker 1: from doctor to doctor and no one believed her. Luckily,
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Speaker 1: she was her own best advocate and fought to be
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Speaker 1: heard in her memoir, Treasured Chest, exposing implants and empowering you.
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Speaker 1: She tells the story of how she turned her trauma
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Speaker 1: into triumph and how she's speaking out to try and
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Speaker 1: help other women do the same. Her experience was really
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Speaker 1: scary and I'm sure a lot of you will be
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Speaker 1: able to relate. So many people get plastic surgery to
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Speaker 1: make themselves feel better, look better and feel more confident.
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Speaker 1: And we talk about the dangers behind that idea and
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Speaker 1: the actual dangers behind the surgery itself. It's a great episode.
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Speaker 1: I learned a lot from Andy and from her research.
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Speaker 1: We all just need to be more aware, and this
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Speaker 1: episode is a great place to start. So sit back, relax,
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Speaker 1: and enjoy my conversation with Andy Liu. Andy, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for joining me today in Boca, all the
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Speaker 1: way from LA. Thank you for making the trip.
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Speaker 2: And you'll notice I've got an Australian accent, so it's
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Speaker 2: actually all the way from Australia as well.
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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And it sounds so chic when
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Speaker 1: you speak with that accent, so I love it.
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Speaker 2: I like your accent and I love Florida.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you do? Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: It's all good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's all good.
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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that you're having me on Misunderstood. It's
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Speaker 2: just a real opportunity to talk about my latest book.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited to have you here. So before
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Speaker 1: we get into that, I want to talk about, you
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Speaker 1: said you're from Australia, of course, but you've been in
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Speaker 1: health and wellness and nutrition for decades now, right? Can
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Speaker 1: you talk about how you got into that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I look really good for 72.
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Speaker 1: I always say that too. I'm like, I should tell
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Speaker 1: people I'm 60, 65 and they'll be like, you look amazing.
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Speaker 1: But no, you look great for your age anyways.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Look, obviously age is a number.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I also say that you don't have to age
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Speaker 2: the way we've been taught. So I have been teaching.
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be scary like we've been taught.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Like we're going to be ancient.
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Speaker 2: Aging is a privilege. Just like, you know, the Kintsugi
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Speaker 2: effect in Japanese that when things start to fall apart
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Speaker 2: and break, they put it back together with gold instead
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Speaker 2: of clear glue. So the porcelain's now showing up the
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Speaker 2: cracks and flaws. And I talk about that in my
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Speaker 2: latest book too, that aging is a privilege and let's
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Speaker 2: highlight the privilege of aging and the flaws and the
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Speaker 2: cracks and the scars and everything that we have. I
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Speaker 2: want to bring that movement now to the world to
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Speaker 2: start embracing who we are and health and wellness and
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Speaker 2: posture and everything is what's attractive to us and about us.
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Speaker 2: our confidence level is also what's so attractive. And that's
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Speaker 2: why even the title of your podcast, Misunderstood, we are
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Speaker 2: so misunderstood as to who we really are and what
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Speaker 2: makes us attractive. So in context to your question, yes,
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Speaker 2: I'm 51 this year. I've been teaching health and wellness
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Speaker 2: for 31 years professionally. I've written 10 books. Most of
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Speaker 2: them are bestsellers. I'm also a podcast host. I was
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Speaker 2: a television host for many, many years, radio as well
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Speaker 2: in Australia. And now I'm on a journey, a crusade,
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Speaker 2: if you like, to help people have better health naturally
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Speaker 2: and to feel empowered.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you got into this field before
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Speaker 1: you had like a personal experience with, you know, where
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Speaker 1: we're going with this. So was there something, though, in
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Speaker 1: your childhood or while you were in college or whatever
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Speaker 1: that made you say this is the field I want
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Speaker 1: to go into?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that's an interesting question because I knew I
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Speaker 2: was always obsessed with natural health. When I was a
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Speaker 2: small child, I felt really sort of, you know, vehemently
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Speaker 2: opposed to medications and drugs. I remember being given some
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Speaker 2: sort of cough syrup and hallucinating, having violent hallucinations and
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Speaker 2: feeling really unwell. And I always knew that natural health care,
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Speaker 2: because there is a natural alternative to everything, you know,
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Speaker 2: full disclaimer here, as a certified food lifestyle and wellness coach, obviously,
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Speaker 2: you know, you want to check in with your health
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Speaker 2: practitioner of choice, your doctor. But I understand that there
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Speaker 2: is a natural alternative to everything. And where would we
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Speaker 2: be without the best drugs, doctors, surgeons in the world?
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Speaker 2: We need both. So I'm always aiming to heal the
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Speaker 2: divide and understand that we need both, but when it's
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Speaker 2: the right timing. So only in times of emergency, because
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Speaker 2: you can advance your health naturally by addressing the root cause,
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Speaker 2: which is super key because when you do start going
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Speaker 2: on that drug and medication route, now you're going to
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Speaker 2: have to heal twice. The first is because you haven't
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Speaker 2: addressed the root cause and the second is now to
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Speaker 2: clean up the gut health because the medication destroys the
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Speaker 2: flora and fauna, which is why we're always given antibiotics after. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: after antibiotics, we've always been given the probiotics to restore
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Speaker 2: that gut health. But then it also destroys the lining.
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Speaker 2: So the actual tissue, the wall of the gut is
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Speaker 2: now destroyed as a result of having antibiotics or any
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Speaker 2: kind of drugs and medication, which is why I'm like,
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Speaker 2: let's just acknowledge if we do have to have it,
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Speaker 2: then we have to go in and repair the gut
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Speaker 2: and the nervous system and potentially the hormones as well.
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Speaker 2: So hopefully we can try the natural route first and
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Speaker 2: then we can always go to the medication because it
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Speaker 2: also removes the absorption or the assimilation of nutrition every
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Speaker 2: time you take drug or medication options.
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Speaker 1: So at some point in your life, though, you decided,
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Speaker 1: let me put something foreign in my body.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Because, I mean, this question,
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Speaker 1: it's not, you know, I'm not asking it to... say anything,
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Speaker 1: most women that we know have had work done. I
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Speaker 1: know for some people it's about a self-esteem issue. For
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Speaker 1: some people, you know, some people it's about age and
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Speaker 1: they want to just make everything lift up or be tighter.
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Speaker 1: And then, you know, as time goes on with generations,
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Speaker 1: you see kids younger and younger getting work done and
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Speaker 1: putting things that are foreign into their body. So what
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Speaker 1: was the journey for you and why did you choose
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Speaker 1: to do this?
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Speaker 2: So obviously I want to address the elephant in the
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Speaker 2: room and that is if I am a wellness expert,
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Speaker 2: why on earth would I have put breast implants in
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Speaker 2: my body when we know that there are potential toxins
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Speaker 2: and dangers that are a ticking time bomb? So it
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Speaker 2: was a trauma reason and full disclosure, I don't judge
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Speaker 2: anyone who wants to do anything to themselves. It was
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Speaker 2: a real healing journey for me to address the root
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Speaker 2: cause of why I chose to do that to myself
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Speaker 2: in the first place. A lot of women who explant
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Speaker 2: do carry deep shame that they have to sort of
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Speaker 2: get over because there is an international narrative of like, well,
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Speaker 2: you did this to yourself, so I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: help you get over this breast implant illness, you know,
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Speaker 2: and the healthcare system doesn't cover it. So a lot
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Speaker 2: of women are dying to be well because they're trying
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Speaker 2: to save up for this potentially $ 14, 000 and beyond surgery.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So they're carrying the deep shame. Then I had to remove,
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Speaker 2: you know, all of the shame that I carried, but
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Speaker 2: then address it publicly with my audience. So that was
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Speaker 2: a whole nother level. And then I also had to
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Speaker 2: address the root cause of why I did this, which
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Speaker 2: was the trauma. The deep trauma healing was major for me.
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Speaker 2: It was like a good year or two of psychologists, NET,
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Speaker 2: neuroemotional technique, chiropractors, kinesiologists. and just anything and everything, hypnotherapy,
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Speaker 2: to really remove that wall that I had up. So
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Speaker 2: having the breast implants on me made me feel less
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Speaker 2: like a prepubescent woman who was traumatised on that level,
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Speaker 2: and then more like a woman with some sort of
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Speaker 2: armour or protection shield over my chest. It's really hard
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Speaker 2: to describe, but that's.
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Speaker 4: Itching, burning, soreness. When you know it's thrush, you want
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Speaker 4: it gone. Treat the cause, not just the symptoms, with
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Speaker 4: Caniston Combine. Kind of what I was expressing to my
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Speaker 4: healthcare professionals as what it meant for me that helped
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Speaker 4: me feel safe, if you like, in an intimate space.
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Speaker 2: But everybody has their own story. And I realized when
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Speaker 2: I went public, I wasn't the only one. You know,
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Speaker 2: people were flooding into my DMs and saying, oh, my gosh,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for addressing trauma as one of
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Speaker 2: the reasons why we implant.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's really interesting you talk about that because you don't
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Speaker 1: hear a lot of people saying they're getting any sort
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Speaker 1: of surgery because of trauma, because of shame, because of,
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Speaker 1: you know, how that makes them feel that they need
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Speaker 1: to change. their physical appearance. You usually hear them talking
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Speaker 1: about it because they want to be more sexy. They
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Speaker 1: just don't like how their boobs look. It's much more,
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Speaker 1: you know... infantile, I want to say, as where they
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Speaker 1: come up with the reasons. But I do think that's
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Speaker 1: very interesting that you're saying a lot of people identified
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Speaker 1: with the fact that they had something done to their
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Speaker 1: body to make them get away from some sort of trauma. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I feel like it's becoming a new hashtag Me
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Speaker 2: Too movement where women are realizing that they did this
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Speaker 2: for other deeper reasons and that they also felt a
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Speaker 2: little bit upsold by with the secondary surgery. Like a
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Speaker 2: lot of women went in after they had a child
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Speaker 2: and just wanted a lift. And now they're saying, I
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Speaker 2: got talked into having these devices and all I wanted
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Speaker 2: was a lift. And now I'm stuck with this potential,
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Speaker 2: you know, rupture or, you know, saline implants can produce
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Speaker 2: mold over time. And then just there's new data to
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Speaker 2: support now. After my surgery, the professor that did the
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Speaker 2: surgery went and got some new data to support that
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Speaker 2: implants are indeed an inflammatory driver creating a cytokine storm.
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Speaker 2: So there are women now joining the dots and going,
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Speaker 2: this is the reason for the early onset of the
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Speaker 2: autoimmune illness. This is the reason for my SIBO gut,
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Speaker 2: small intestinal bowel overgrowth, because the heavy metals within the
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Speaker 2: product is a perfect breeding ground for strep A, strep B, E. coli,
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Speaker 2: bacterial overgrowth, hence why women now start to go, well,
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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden I'm intolerant to these foods, gluten,
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Speaker 2: you know, that they weren't intolerant to before. And their
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Speaker 2: natural detoxification pathways start to shut down because the kidney,
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Speaker 2: the liver, the gallbladder are all sort of overwhelmed with
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Speaker 2: these heavy metals and toxins.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm curious. So first of all, you got
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Speaker 1: your boobs done when you were how old?
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Speaker 2: I was actually newly divorced.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I was probably just 42 or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So not too long ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I only had them in for about
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Speaker 2: eight years. But I did feel that there was something wrong.
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Speaker 2: Right off the bat. So what it was was a
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Speaker 2: fold in the left side, which I pointed out to
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Speaker 2: the original implanting surgeon.
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Speaker 1: Something you could see or just feel?
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Speaker 2: I could feel it. But because this type of doctor
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Speaker 2: profession is only focused on our aesthetic outcome, this is
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Speaker 2: the first time I realized, and I had a chat
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Speaker 2: with my diagnosing doctor of 31 years experience. She's an
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Speaker 2: integrative medical doctor and a medical doctor. She also is
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Speaker 2: a BII warrior herself. And she was like, you know what, Andy,
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Speaker 2: we're actually realizing that this is the first doctor profession
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Speaker 2: where you go to them for aesthetics first and healthcare
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Speaker 2: second as their priority in seeing you. So they're constantly
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Speaker 2: focused in the cosmetic world on the aesthetic. And so,
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Speaker 2: you know, they don't know.
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Speaker 1: They don't have that second step of people that are
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Speaker 1: having a problem with it medically afterwards. It's more just
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Speaker 1: the aesthetic look.
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Speaker 2: Or what that fold might potentially cause.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: You know, you've got a great aesthetic result, he kept saying. But,
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Speaker 2: you know, perhaps that fold could have become a weak point,
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Speaker 2: which in my case it did. Just like when you
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Speaker 2: get sort of a piece of paper and you wet
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Speaker 2: it and then you tear it. Imagine that's what happened
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Speaker 2: with the fold. But these days you don't have to
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Speaker 2: have a hole, a traditional hole or even a fold
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Speaker 2: to for the implant to cause breast implant illness right
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Speaker 2: you know um.
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Speaker 1: Wait let's talk about that for one thing because you
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Speaker 1: said BII a couple times I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: people might not be aware of what BII really is
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's actually a medical diagnosis per se
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Speaker 1: right it's just a grouping of symptoms that um that
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Speaker 1: mean you you have something toxic in your body correct Yeah.
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Speaker 2: into a documentary and we're researching, you know, the bleep
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Speaker 2: out of it because it isn't an official diagnosis. It
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Speaker 2: keeps getting swept under the rug.
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Speaker 2: But there is new data coming out, like I said,
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Speaker 2: to support that it is now the inflammatory driver causing
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Speaker 2: the cytokine storm at the inflammatory response at the very least.
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Speaker 2: But BII stands for breast implant illness. And that's what
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Speaker 2: it's being called at the moment. But it's a systemic issue.
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Speaker 1: And the symptoms are fatigue, joint pain, dry eyes, brain fog.
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Speaker 1: Were those the symptoms you were experiencing?
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Speaker 2: I had them all. I also had SIBO gut, so
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Speaker 2: the digestive issues, inability to sweat, loss of libido, rapid
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Speaker 2: hair loss.
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Speaker 1: And this accrued over eight years? Like, did you see
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Speaker 1: it right at the beginning or did it get worse
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Speaker 1: and worse for the years you had it?
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Speaker 2: You know, this is going to sound so crazy, but
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Speaker 2: it was getting worse and worse towards the end. And
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Speaker 2: also when we sort of went from this sort of
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Speaker 2: 4G world to the 5G world. And what I'm learning
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Speaker 2: is that a lot of people are saying that the
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Speaker 2: heavy metals are actually in interacting with the radiation. So
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Speaker 2: when that ramps up, it created that brain fog or
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Speaker 2: that tinnitus, that buzzing. So I was like feeling like
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Speaker 2: I had this like, I felt like I wasn't on
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Speaker 2: the airplane with that. It felt like I was the airplane.
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Speaker 2: And it was so hard to describe. And so many
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Speaker 2: other women feel like they had that radiation buzz as well.
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Speaker 2: So as soon as the implants were removed, I'm telling
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Speaker 2: you that tinnitus and that buzzing sound just went away instantly.
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Speaker 1: So I want to hear about your journey to actually
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Speaker 1: deciding to get them removed. But I do actually want
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Speaker 1: to share a story with you because it really reminds
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Speaker 1: me of something for me. So I have you know
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Speaker 1: I'm 49 I've had my boobs done a bunch of
17:14
Speaker 1: times I'll be honest so I started small then I
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Speaker 1: went a little bit bigger then I moved to Vegas
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Speaker 1: and I was working in Vegas for many years and
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Speaker 1: I went very big then I went smaller because as
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Speaker 1: my life developed and I was no longer living in
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Speaker 1: Vegas right as someone who needed to look that way
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Speaker 1: aesthetically um it became ridiculous looking so I had them
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Speaker 1: made smaller then what happened like two or three years
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Speaker 1: ago during COVID I started to have a lot of
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Speaker 1: pain in my shoulder. I thought it was my shoulder.
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Speaker 1: And then I realized it was kind of on the
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Speaker 1: side of my breast. And I thought maybe in my armpit.
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Speaker 1: And for maybe six months, I kept, you know, thinking
17:52
Speaker 1: it was a rotator cuff. I kept thinking there was
17:55
Speaker 1: something going on, you know, within my body up here.
17:58
Speaker 1: But I felt feverish and I didn't feel right. And,
18:01
Speaker 1: you know, long story short, I finally went.
18:03
Speaker 2: Itching, burning, soreness.
18:06
Speaker 4: When you know it's thrush, you want it gone. See,
18:09
Speaker 4: my doctor, my breast doctor... The original implant. The original doctor, who,
18:13
Speaker 4: as you're saying, had nothing to tell me. They were like,
18:16
Speaker 4: you know, they did an MRI.
18:17
Speaker 2: I had an MRI done. There was nothing in the MRI.
18:19
Speaker 2: And he said.
18:38
Speaker 1: If you want to go get them redone, you can
18:43
Speaker 1: do that. Well, I went to a reconstruction guy down
18:45
Speaker 1: here in Florida, a really great guy. And long story short,
18:49
Speaker 1: when he looked at me and felt around, he's like,
18:51
Speaker 1: I believe you have a rupture. I believe it's imperative
18:54
Speaker 1: we do this very soon. I went in two weeks later.
18:57
Speaker 1: You have to get the blood test and all that stuff.
18:59
Speaker 1: So I did that. And then I went in two
19:00
Speaker 1: weeks later. And he ended up, instead of just doing
19:03
Speaker 1: one and fixing it, when I came to he's like
19:06
Speaker 1: listen I had to redo both because this one was
19:09
Speaker 1: so ruptured that I was worried about the other one
19:11
Speaker 1: or that it may rupture and I got them both
19:13
Speaker 1: done yeah so I do remember that was the hardest
19:17
Speaker 1: recovery I had because it wasn't like it wasn't an
19:19
Speaker 1: explant where they took them completely out.
19:21
Speaker 2: You know, was the rupture also was there a gel
19:25
Speaker 2: bleed or anything going on?
19:26
Speaker 1: Yes, there was a gel bleed and they had to
19:28
Speaker 1: do a lot of scooping and a lot of scraping. Exactly.
19:32
Speaker 1: So my recovery, you know, I used to be able
19:34
Speaker 1: to get my boobs done and like go for a
19:36
Speaker 1: walk the next day. You know, like I was like surgery,
19:40
Speaker 1: you know, queen. Like I knew how to do it.
19:42
Speaker 1: The pain was not. I never had to take pain pills.
19:45
Speaker 1: It was like an easy walk in the park for me.
19:48
Speaker 1: It was so hard to recover from that. And I
19:50
Speaker 1: spent months not feeling well. And I started to research
19:53
Speaker 1: BII because I started to feel like something was not right.
19:57
Speaker 1: Now I will say I still have my boobs. I
20:00
Speaker 1: did not end up getting an explant, but I will
20:03
Speaker 1: tell you for a year afterwards that I felt like
20:07
Speaker 1: something was wrong. I did feel all those symptoms. I
20:10
Speaker 1: felt like no one was listening to me. They kept saying, oh,
20:12
Speaker 1: it's fibromyalgia. It's depression. It's, you know, some people were
20:17
Speaker 1: talking about this 5G thing.
20:19
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
20:19
Speaker 1: Yes, they were. They were telling me that it was
20:21
Speaker 1: the metals in the air and that it was affecting me. And,
20:24
Speaker 1: but I went to see the doctor who had done
20:26
Speaker 1: that new revision.
20:27
Speaker 2: So you mean the radiation in the air and the
20:29
Speaker 2: heavy metals interacting?
20:30
Speaker 1: Yes. And- And the doctor just kind of was unable
20:35
Speaker 1: to help because, as you're saying, he was about the aesthetic.
20:37
Speaker 1: He's like, your boobs look amazing. And, you know, if
20:41
Speaker 1: you want to get them taken out, that's your choice.
20:44
Speaker 1: So now to get back to you, what.
20:48
Speaker 1: I never got to that point because finally, you know,
20:50
Speaker 1: I started feeling okay, you know, and that went away.
20:54
Speaker 1: But for you, it got to a point where you
20:56
Speaker 1: had to make the decision. Yes, this is what I have. Yes,
20:58
Speaker 1: this is toxic to my body and I want them out.
21:01
Speaker 1: How did you get to that decision?
21:03
Speaker 2: Wow. This is so multi-layered. And first of all, I
21:04
Speaker 2: just want to thank you for sharing that very personal
21:06
Speaker 2: story because it is so personal. You don't have to
21:09
Speaker 2: share it. Yeah.
21:10
Speaker 1: I've never told anyone about it.
21:11
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. And like, you know, at the time when you're
21:14
Speaker 2: feeling unwell, it's a lot, Rachel, like, you know, it
21:17
Speaker 2: takes you back there. It's hard not to feel those
21:19
Speaker 2: feelings of, you know, how sort of lost and un...
21:22
Speaker 2: you know, well, you really have.
21:23
Speaker 1: And it's like an invisible illness because, you know, you
21:28
Speaker 1: might look fine, but you don't feel fine and you
21:31
Speaker 1: cannot explain it to people. And people are kind of
21:33
Speaker 1: sick of you saying that you feel sick.
21:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:35
Speaker 2: Because you look fine. What are you complaining about?
21:36
Speaker 4: Right.
21:37
Speaker 3: Right.
21:37
Speaker 2: And it's just your boobs.
21:39
Speaker 4: Right.
21:39
Speaker 2: So there's a very special reason why I also called
21:41
Speaker 2: it chest, treasured chest, because I wanted to remove the
21:45
Speaker 2: notion around it being this you know, boob, jug, tit, whatever.
21:49
Speaker 2: It's like, it's our chest. If anything, it's our breasts.
21:52
Speaker 2: And also what's behind that is our hearts, you know,
21:55
Speaker 2: and it's our entire system. I mean, my second book
21:58
Speaker 2: was about parenting, right? So I've got one of the
22:01
Speaker 2: contributors in the book, Pinky McKay, she's Australia's top lactation consultant.
22:05
Speaker 2: We always have these discussions about like, even in a
22:07
Speaker 2: female fetus, when that female fetus is being developed, the
22:12
Speaker 2: immune cells are what are the breast cells. you know, tissues.
22:16
Speaker 2: So it's starting off as immunity. It's so much more.
22:19
Speaker 2: Our breasts are so much more than we realize. This
22:21
Speaker 2: is why they affect so much in our entire system.
22:24
Speaker 2: So coming back to sort of what made me go, right,
22:28
Speaker 2: this is it. I have to do it. About five,
22:31
Speaker 2: six years ago, I had a PTSD diagnosis and I
22:34
Speaker 2: don't really believe in labeling and stuff like that. But
22:36
Speaker 2: at the time I was really grateful for that diagnosis
22:38
Speaker 2: because it gave me time to really take time off
22:41
Speaker 2: and heal and really work on myself. About two years
22:44
Speaker 2: into it, my psychologist, who's also a hypnotherapist, said to me, wow,
22:47
Speaker 2: listen to you. You're really moving from clinical psychology to
22:50
Speaker 2: positive psychology. Listen to you talking about what you're going
22:53
Speaker 2: to do with the world and the future and all
22:54
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And I was like, yes. And
22:57
Speaker 2: then I went home and I was like, well, hang
22:59
Speaker 2: on a second. My medical doctor said to me that
23:01
Speaker 2: you've got BII about a year ago. And I kind
23:04
Speaker 2: of went, no, I don't. But the symptoms were getting bigger.
23:08
Speaker 2: The anxiety and the depression was still there, even though
23:11
Speaker 2: I had moved from a clinical diagnosis to this positive
23:14
Speaker 2: psychology diagnosis. And I was like, then why do I
23:17
Speaker 2: still feel depressed? Why do I still have the anxiety?
23:20
Speaker 2: Why am I still having this inability to take a
23:22
Speaker 2: deep breath? All of these things were going on. Then
23:25
Speaker 2: it also coupled with some inflammation under the arm. So
23:29
Speaker 2: I also, I'm like a huge gym fan. I was
23:32
Speaker 2: doing like leg squats or leg press and my knees
23:36
Speaker 2: would inflame like this old gal. I'm like, I'm a
23:39
Speaker 2: health and wellness person. I don't get inflammation in the knees.
23:41
Speaker 2: What's this new thing? So every time I would do squat,
23:44
Speaker 2: it would like inflame for like a week and I'd
23:47
Speaker 2: be taking so many supplements. I'd be taking all the
23:50
Speaker 2: anti-inflammatory supplements, the turmeric and everything that I could do.
23:54
Speaker 2: It was getting to a point where I was taking
23:56
Speaker 2: so many supplements. I was sick of putting pills in
24:00
Speaker 2: my mouth or nutrition in my mouth just to stay stable.
24:05
Speaker 2: I was remembering the times where I was like, I
24:07
Speaker 2: would really– there would be no ceiling as to how
24:09
Speaker 2: healthy and well I would be. And now I'm just
24:11
Speaker 2: doing all of these things to stay stable. Like what
24:14
Speaker 2: the F? So I started looking at this as a
24:17
Speaker 2: serious diagnosis and I refused to read the research because
24:21
Speaker 2: it was scary. I couldn't look at the explant videos
24:25
Speaker 2: because when they remove the implant, they also have to
24:28
Speaker 2: take the surrounding scar tissue, which is the capsule, which
24:31
Speaker 2: also needs to be sent off to the labs to
24:34
Speaker 2: be tested for new types of cancer. Squamous cell carcinoma,
24:37
Speaker 2: anaplastic large cell lymphoma are the two types of cancers
24:40
Speaker 2: that are found now in the surrounding scar tissue because
24:43
Speaker 2: the body wants to wall it off, wants to wall
24:46
Speaker 2: off that foreign object from spilling into the rest of
24:48
Speaker 2: the system. But we are the system, like everything's connected, right?
24:52
Speaker 2: So I started going, okay, you're a health and wellness expert.
24:55
Speaker 2: You really need to look into this. And you really
24:58
Speaker 2: need to do the deep work. So I kind of
24:59
Speaker 2: like coached myself and I was like, this is what
25:01
Speaker 2: we're going to do. We need to do this. You know,
25:04
Speaker 2: I was starting to say to myself, at what cost?
25:06
Speaker 2: You know, at what cost was I hanging on to
25:09
Speaker 2: this old body, you know, instead of evolving and becoming
25:13
Speaker 2: the woman that I always wanted to be? I'm getting
25:16
Speaker 2: goosebumps now. That's why you can see on the cover,
25:18
Speaker 2: I'm just holding my chest, but in a way where
25:20
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you, where it's kind of like, I've
25:22
Speaker 2: got me, but I've also been through a lot. And
25:25
Speaker 2: don't you worry, I'm here for good now. You know,
25:28
Speaker 2: I've got you too. So, you know, and it's a
25:31
Speaker 2: brave cover. I remember speaking to my publicist, Matt, you know,
25:34
Speaker 2: who's always been there for me the whole way. And
25:36
Speaker 2: he was like, no, we need to do this. Showing
25:39
Speaker 2: your scars. It's challenging for the audience to look at it.
25:41
Speaker 2: And it's a talking point. And I remember going to
25:44
Speaker 2: sleep before I pressed print on the cover. And I
25:47
Speaker 2: was like, what have I done? Everyone's going to be
25:49
Speaker 2: looking at my chest like that. I really don't want
25:51
Speaker 2: them to be staring at me like this all the time.
25:53
Speaker 2: But You know, again, we have to own our scars.
25:56
Speaker 2: We have to own who we are. It's a really
25:59
Speaker 2: big scar. It's not like a small one when you
26:01
Speaker 2: put them in because they're taking out that surrounding scar
26:04
Speaker 2: tissue as well at the same time. So, I mean,
26:08
Speaker 2: that was it for me. I was like, right, at
26:10
Speaker 2: what cost? Let's get well. Let's do this. I was
26:13
Speaker 2: going to have to eventually do it. So I thought,
26:15
Speaker 2: may as well just do it now. I mean, it's
26:17
Speaker 2: like when you have a child, you're never ready to
26:19
Speaker 2: have a child. But, you know, you just got to
26:21
Speaker 2: do the work.
26:22
Speaker 1: So I'm curious, how big had you gone when you
26:25
Speaker 1: got your boost on?
26:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it wasn't even that big. It was just
26:27
Speaker 2: a tiny bit bigger than what I am now. And
26:29
Speaker 2: so that's why I really realized that this was this
26:33
Speaker 2: protective wall, this armor, you know. And I remember saying
26:36
Speaker 2: to psychologists, first of all, I'm going to be taking
26:38
Speaker 2: away that armor. Second of all, so I'm really exposed now.
26:42
Speaker 2: My heart's really exposed to my future lover. Itching, burning, soreness.
26:48
Speaker 4: When you know it's thrush, you want it gone. Treat
26:51
Speaker 4: the cause, not just the symptoms, with Caniston Combi. Ireland's
26:55
Speaker 4: number one thrush treatment brand. Caniston Combi Pestry and Cream
26:58
Speaker 4: contain cotrimazole.
26:59
Speaker 2: Always read the label. And the other thing was the
27:08
Speaker 2: scars to me were like war wounds. I didn't want
27:11
Speaker 2: to have the lift. I didn't want to be upsold
27:13
Speaker 2: the secondary surgery. You know, would you like fries with that?
27:17
Speaker 2: I call, you know, the fat transfer or the lift.
27:19
Speaker 2: I'm like, do not make me a forever customer. I'm
27:22
Speaker 2: tapping out.
27:22
Speaker 4: Yeah.
27:23
Speaker 1: And, you know, that's an amazing concept, actually, that you
27:26
Speaker 1: were like, I'm done with this. I'm going back to
27:29
Speaker 1: being me.
27:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. Don't get me wrong. Like it was a hard
27:32
Speaker 2: journey to come to terms with.
27:33
Speaker 1: I got it. I'm curious. So did they express to
27:37
Speaker 1: you what you know, when people do this, they do
27:39
Speaker 1: this for an aesthetic look, obviously. So when you were
27:42
Speaker 1: taking them out, were you worried about what would be left?
27:45
Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
27:46
Speaker 1: But.
27:47
Speaker 2: The terminology saggy is a really good one to exploit.
27:51
Speaker 3: Okay.
27:52
Speaker 2: Because in America, I understand... In Australia, you're not allowed
27:57
Speaker 2: to use the term mummy makeover or mommy makeover. Yeah,
28:00
Speaker 2: it's very derogatory, like just because a mum has had
28:03
Speaker 2: her body put through something. So in their social media
28:06
Speaker 2: campaigning and everything, it's illegal to use that term when
28:09
Speaker 2: they're selling any cosmetic type of surgery in their marketing.
28:12
Speaker 2: It's still allowed here in America, which got me thinking, like,
28:15
Speaker 2: why is it allowed? Why do we, you know, call
28:17
Speaker 2: women saggy? Why do we say they need a makeover
28:20
Speaker 2: because they're now a mum? So it really got me
28:23
Speaker 2: thinking about the international narrative about the culture around why
28:27
Speaker 2: we're doing this to ourselves in the first place and
28:29
Speaker 2: if we could potentially change that to help us feel
28:32
Speaker 2: more queens and, you know, put us on pedestals for
28:34
Speaker 2: what we have been put through and for men to
28:37
Speaker 2: step up as kings too and go, wow, I really
28:40
Speaker 2: love that about you. Right.
28:42
Speaker 1: Were you dating someone at the time?
28:44
Speaker 2: Like I was seeing... people here and there, but no
28:47
Speaker 2: one's serious. I think it was a real time for me.
28:50
Speaker 2: I'd also lost my libido full stop because it was
28:53
Speaker 2: just making me so unwell. At one point in the shower,
28:56
Speaker 2: I felt something move and slip into the rib cage.
29:00
Speaker 2: I freaked out and like, cause it was starting to contract.
29:03
Speaker 2: That's called contracture. And because I was in stage two contracture,
29:06
Speaker 2: six surgeons and an MRI kept saying, you're fine. But
29:10
Speaker 2: I knew something was wrong. I knew I was buzzing
29:13
Speaker 2: and I was gel bleeding and this was a fold
29:15
Speaker 2: and it was moving.
29:17
Speaker 3: Right.
29:17
Speaker 2: So they were like, well, we've got time. So the
29:19
Speaker 2: sad thing was that I wasn't triaged. It should have
29:21
Speaker 2: been a case of 911, get her to the ER now.
29:23
Speaker 2: Like you got to go into surgery straight away, right?
29:27
Speaker 2: Who knows how long my silicon was bleeding into my system.
29:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it could kill people, right? I mean, talk
29:33
Speaker 1: about that, that there are serious ramifications for people that
29:37
Speaker 1: just let this keep going.
29:38
Speaker 2: Women are dying. Millions of women are dying a slow
29:42
Speaker 2: death because of this, because their bodies are starting to
29:45
Speaker 2: shut down. I get daily DMs still because I went
29:49
Speaker 2: on the Today Show and that video is still circulating.
29:52
Speaker 2: Hopefully this one will too, and we can help women
29:54
Speaker 2: have regular checkups and things like that. But, you know,
29:58
Speaker 2: it's getting to the point where women are going, I
30:01
Speaker 2: felt medically gaslit. I'm being told that I'm fine, but
30:05
Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, or I'm being told that you're
30:08
Speaker 2: going to look saggy like I got told. So let's
30:11
Speaker 2: go back.
30:12
Speaker 1: And there's so much to that. There's psychological and mental,
30:15
Speaker 1: like they're nervous.
30:15
Speaker 4: They're.
30:16
Speaker 1: They won't be attractive anymore. They're nervous. Their husband won't
30:18
Speaker 1: find them attractive or they won't if they're single, that
30:21
Speaker 1: they won't be able to get someone to love them
30:23
Speaker 1: if they look different and not like what you see
30:25
Speaker 1: in the magazines or how you want to see yourself.
30:27
Speaker 1: I totally get that. And I think it's really important
30:30
Speaker 1: what you're saying about, you know, being your own advocate
30:34
Speaker 1: for your mental health. I mean, for your mental health,
30:36
Speaker 1: your physical health. No one knows you better than you.
30:40
Speaker 1: You've lived with your body. You know what feels right.
30:42
Speaker 1: You know what doesn't feel right. And, you know, another
30:45
Speaker 1: story I'll share with you that I haven't really spoken
30:46
Speaker 1: about is that for years I had headaches and backaches.
30:51
Speaker 1: Very terrible. This is unrelated to plastic surgery. But, you know,
30:55
Speaker 1: and even since I was like four or five, you know,
30:58
Speaker 1: I had very bad headaches. And eventually when I turned 40,
31:03
Speaker 1: I was getting, you know, injections into my back for
31:05
Speaker 1: how painful. A cortisone? Yeah, a cortisone for how much
31:09
Speaker 1: pain I was going through. And eventually they did an MRI.
31:11
Speaker 3: Okay.
31:12
Speaker 1: And one doctor said, I need to get a second
31:16
Speaker 1: opinion before I give you this minimal surgery. But, you know,
31:19
Speaker 1: we'll do it in the office. And I happened I
31:21
Speaker 1: lived in New York at the time. I happened to
31:22
Speaker 1: go to a guy who was the surgeon for the
31:26
Speaker 1: Jets and the Giants. And, you know, he did a
31:29
Speaker 1: lot of athletes. So he knew what he was talking
31:31
Speaker 1: about with backs, you know, people. And I happened to
31:33
Speaker 1: be a friend of his. So he I went into
31:36
Speaker 1: his office to get the results. And I thought I
31:38
Speaker 1: was just picking up my results to take back to
31:40
Speaker 1: my doctor to say, OK, we can do this now.
31:42
Speaker 1: Got it. And he looked at me and he said,
31:44
Speaker 1: you don't need back surgery. You need brain surgery. And
31:47
Speaker 1: I froze. I was like, what do you mean? And
31:49
Speaker 1: he's like, you have Chiari. And fast forward to what
31:53
Speaker 1: I'm trying to share with you is that when I
31:55
Speaker 1: finally got into a doctor's office who could sit down
31:57
Speaker 1: with me and say, You need surgery. It's as black
32:01
Speaker 1: and white. You have Chiari. I felt so good because
32:05
Speaker 1: I felt like I had a diagnosis for something that
32:07
Speaker 1: for my whole life I had been saying, I don't
32:10
Speaker 1: feel well. I have a headache. I have a backache.
32:12
Speaker 1: It's not making sense. And I had been sent to neurologists,
32:15
Speaker 1: to therapists saying that. again, you have fibromyalgia, it's depression,
32:19
Speaker 1: it's a backache, it's migraines, and then you get treated
32:22
Speaker 1: with different pills for those things and you miss out
32:24
Speaker 1: on the core of what's going on.
32:26
Speaker 2: Misunderstood.
32:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, misunderstood. And what Chiari is for people that are
32:30
Speaker 1: listening that may have symptoms like this, you know, one
32:34
Speaker 1: in a thousand people have it, but it's very rarely
32:36
Speaker 1: diagnosed and it is a birth defect. A lot of
32:39
Speaker 1: athletes do get it from getting hit, but it means
32:42
Speaker 1: that when you were born, your brain cavity kind of
32:45
Speaker 1: did not close properly around your brain. And I've spent
32:48
Speaker 1: my life with my brain sinking into my spine, which
32:52
Speaker 1: gives you the symptoms of headaches, backaches, word flipping, like
32:56
Speaker 1: almost like playing charades, like I couldn't finish my sentence
32:58
Speaker 1: some of the time, and then tingling in your hands
33:01
Speaker 1: and your feet. Now, these are symptoms that many people have,
33:04
Speaker 1: you know, and are not sure, you know, they think
33:07
Speaker 1: that they're all sorts of different things. But if you
33:09
Speaker 1: have symptoms like that, and it hasn't gone away with
33:12
Speaker 1: certain treatments, you know, Chiari is something that you should
33:15
Speaker 1: look into. And the point is, is I was my
33:17
Speaker 1: own advocate. I kept saying, there's something more you're not understanding. Yes,
33:21
Speaker 1: I'm depressed about normal things in life, but that's not
33:24
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling. And yes, I might have headaches or yes,
33:26
Speaker 1: I feel this way, but there's more to it. And finally,
33:29
Speaker 1: I found the doctor that understood me. And it sounds
33:32
Speaker 1: like that happened with you too. The person that wrote
33:34
Speaker 1: your foreword, right, was your doctor.
33:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said about
33:38
Speaker 2: women's intuition, which is what this is a running theme
33:42
Speaker 2: of now. My doctor woke me up or my surgeon
33:45
Speaker 2: woke me up from, you know, the anesthetic and said,
33:47
Speaker 2: you were right. You're better than an MRI. You taught
33:50
Speaker 2: me a lot today and I'm going to go and
33:52
Speaker 2: check the rest of my patients. You knew exactly where
33:55
Speaker 2: this hole was in the left side. It was exactly
33:57
Speaker 2: to where you were pinpointing it to be. So, you know,
34:00
Speaker 2: medicine isn't a perfect science. There's new technology coming out
34:04
Speaker 2: now that can finally pick up in a CT scan,
34:07
Speaker 2: not an MRI. the silicon uptake in the lymphatic system,
34:12
Speaker 2: like in a 4D scan. I was in Australia recently
34:15
Speaker 2: and I found this machine. I'm desperate to get in
34:17
Speaker 2: contact with the company, the maker that does this and
34:21
Speaker 2: collaborate with them to, you know, every clinic should have this,
34:24
Speaker 2: you know. But, you know, the misdiagnosis, the misunderstanding, being misunderstood,
34:30
Speaker 2: you know, and then the theme of that with women
34:33
Speaker 2: having intuition. We know our bodies. Sometimes we are better
34:37
Speaker 2: than medicine. We are better than science. It's hard to explain. So, yes,
34:41
Speaker 2: we need to work together. And Professor Diva, who did
34:44
Speaker 2: do my surgery, wrote in his foreword, and he's also
34:48
Speaker 2: a contributor in the book, you know, listen to your
34:50
Speaker 2: patients is the opening quote. And doctors need to do
34:53
Speaker 2: more of that. You know, think about the Hippocratic Oath
34:56
Speaker 2: to do no harm. That's what they take. You know,
34:59
Speaker 2: are they potentially doing harm by only focusing on cosmetic?
35:02
Speaker 2: And I plan to change the way the profession practices.
35:06
Speaker 2: I'm already doing that just with my story by educating
35:10
Speaker 2: others as well. They do need to listen to us more. Yeah.
35:13
Speaker 1: So how are you feeling now that you've had this surgery?
35:15
Speaker 2: You know, it's a journey. I felt immediately great, like
35:18
Speaker 2: when they were gone, it was literally a weight lifted
35:21
Speaker 2: off my chest. I was also like, there's a hot guy.
35:24
Speaker 2: My libido came back straight away. I knew I was healthy.
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35:49
Speaker 2: that's a great objective marker. You know, my digestive system
35:53
Speaker 2: worked straight away. I was like not passing movements for
35:56
Speaker 2: 10 days. I was like, if you don't get this
35:58
Speaker 2: crap out of me, I am dying. So yeah, immediately
36:02
Speaker 2: that started working well. I went for a bit of
36:04
Speaker 2: a walk along the beach and I immediately started sweating again.
36:08
Speaker 2: So that brain buzzing went away. But then a lot
36:11
Speaker 2: of sufferers or survivors also say that after the immediate
36:15
Speaker 2: fantastic effects, they start having this lull again where they
36:18
Speaker 2: feel sick again. That's where I say as a wellness coach,
36:21
Speaker 2: we have to ramp it up to fifth gear, kick
36:24
Speaker 2: in the detoxification process up a notch. You've gone through
36:27
Speaker 2: the emotional detoxing and the healing and coming to terms
36:30
Speaker 2: with your new body. Then that little elation. Then you
36:33
Speaker 2: have to go into a parasite gut cleanse. You need
36:36
Speaker 2: to go into a heavy metal detox and potentially a
36:40
Speaker 2: mold detox as well, because that's a breeding feeding ground
36:43
Speaker 2: for all of those things.
36:44
Speaker 1: Right. Just because it's been taken out doesn't mean it's
36:46
Speaker 1: still not there in your cells and in your body.
36:49
Speaker 2: Like in your story, you had this silicon bleeding and,
36:51
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully your body was starting to detox some
36:54
Speaker 2: of that.
36:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:55
Speaker 2: But it's always a good idea to go into a
36:57
Speaker 2: really heavy detox and The heal is real, they say.
37:01
Speaker 2: It takes time. Healing takes time. So I'm still healing. Okay.
37:05
Speaker 1: Well, you look great. I mean, you wouldn't know. I mean,
37:08
Speaker 1: for people listening, I'm looking at her boobs and they
37:10
Speaker 1: look great.
37:11
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
37:12
Speaker 4: You look beautiful.
37:12
Speaker 2: You know, I love to say that everybody looks great.
37:14
Speaker 2: Our chests are all beautiful. I mean, my whole heroes
37:19
Speaker 2: are the women who are having mastectomies and still opting
37:22
Speaker 2: to not put in breast implants and they're embracing their flat.
37:25
Speaker 2: I've got a good friend who just recently found out
37:27
Speaker 2: she had breast cancer and And I messaged her and
37:30
Speaker 2: I was like, babe, how are you? She goes, I
37:32
Speaker 2: can't read your book yet. It's heavy for me. I'm
37:34
Speaker 2: going to have a mastectomy because I'm stage two cancer.
37:37
Speaker 2: But I've decided you're going to be proud. I was like, proud?
37:40
Speaker 2: Don't you worry about me. You do what you need
37:42
Speaker 2: to do, but you are my hero. Next message I
37:45
Speaker 2: got from her, she shaved her head. I was like, wow,
37:47
Speaker 2: you are stunning.
37:48
Speaker 4: Yeah.
37:49
Speaker 2: You know, and this is the stuff that's happening. You know,
37:52
Speaker 2: we spend a couple of dollars on a pink ribbon
37:54
Speaker 2: for Breast Cancer Awareness Month, but then we don't realise
37:57
Speaker 2: that that money is also going to the manufacturers that
37:59
Speaker 2: are creating the new types of cancers as well that
38:02
Speaker 2: are going back into the body after a mastectomy.
38:04
Speaker 1: Right. So, you know, I have a question because people
38:07
Speaker 1: are obviously women are obviously going to continue to get
38:10
Speaker 1: their breasts done. I mean, the fear of this, I
38:13
Speaker 1: don't think, is as widespread as we're talking about right
38:16
Speaker 1: now that people see where this could lead down the
38:19
Speaker 1: road for them. So would you have any suggestions for
38:22
Speaker 1: people that are continuing to keep their breasts? breasts in
38:25
Speaker 1: or choosing to get them done, how to have that,
38:29
Speaker 1: but have it in a safe way and be safe
38:30
Speaker 1: about it.
38:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. At some point in our life, we're going to
38:33
Speaker 2: have to get ready to shed. And when they're ready,
38:35
Speaker 2: I'm here, you know, and when you want to discuss,
38:38
Speaker 2: you know, the symptoms that you're having with your doctor
38:41
Speaker 2: and start to join the dots, then, you know, you
38:43
Speaker 2: have a team of people around you to help you
38:45
Speaker 2: through that. It has to be your own divine timing.
38:47
Speaker 4: Yeah.
38:47
Speaker 2: I don't judge anyone who does anything. It's their own
38:50
Speaker 2: soul's journey, just like mine. I think it's really important
38:54
Speaker 2: to be sensitive around this topic. And my intention is
38:57
Speaker 2: not to instill fear, not to rush out and do anything,
39:00
Speaker 2: but to really carefully be informed. And then you can
39:03
Speaker 2: make your own informed decision in your own divine timing.
39:06
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think that women should not put
39:10
Speaker 1: this kind of thing in their body because at some
39:13
Speaker 1: point there will be a toxic adjustment for them and
39:16
Speaker 1: it'll be a problem. Or do you think it only
39:18
Speaker 1: affects certain people that just cannot handle having something foreign
39:22
Speaker 1: in their bodies?
39:23
Speaker 2: From the research I've done, it is a ticking time bomb.
39:27
Speaker 2: There is new data that came out in May of
39:29
Speaker 2: last year from Professor... Diva indicating that breast implants are
39:32
Speaker 2: an inflammatory driver creating the cytokine storm. You can't look
39:36
Speaker 2: past that research.
39:37
Speaker 1: So if you had a daughter, you would not let
39:39
Speaker 1: her get a boob job?
39:41
Speaker 2: I would highly advise that she didn't. Anyone that I love.
39:44
Speaker 2: But at the same time, one of my best friends did.
39:47
Speaker 2: She's a healer. I was like, no. And She was like,
39:50
Speaker 2: you know what, darling? She goes, I've been through trauma.
39:53
Speaker 2: I'm you. Like years ago.
39:55
Speaker 1: She needs to go through her own path.
39:56
Speaker 2: It's her own journey. I had to make peace with that.
39:59
Speaker 2: It felt like it was me all over again. But
40:01
Speaker 2: then I just love her and I hold space for her.
40:03
Speaker 2: And again, when she's ready to face that, I'm here. Right.
40:07
Speaker 1: So obviously, you know, as I said at the beginning,
40:10
Speaker 1: you have written so many books. It's not just this one.
40:13
Speaker 1: I want to kind of get into some of the
40:14
Speaker 1: other books that you have written about. So you've written,
40:18
Speaker 1: let's see, about wellness, dating, nutrition. You wrote a book
40:23
Speaker 1: on wellness loading, talking about disconnecting to technology and social
40:26
Speaker 1: media at times. So I want to get into some
40:29
Speaker 1: of those paths for you. First of all, what was
40:32
Speaker 1: your favorite book to write?
40:34
Speaker 2: Probably the first one, which became, I repackaged it up
40:39
Speaker 2: as Connected, a paradigm shift in how we view health.
40:42
Speaker 2: And it goes into understanding how the body works to
40:45
Speaker 2: heal itself when we give it the right environment. And yeah,
40:49
Speaker 2: that's available on Audible now. So it's just It's the
40:51
Speaker 2: most fun book that just continues to sell. It's not
40:54
Speaker 2: the one that got the most publicity. So the one
40:56
Speaker 2: that I had the most fun with, with my publicist
40:59
Speaker 2: was hashtag Insta lovers. Yeah.
41:01
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
41:01
Speaker 2: Digital dating, DM disasters and, you know, love stories, but
41:05
Speaker 2: sliding into the DM. So that was born out of
41:08
Speaker 2: that sliding into the DM culture. And also, you know,
41:11
Speaker 2: nobody had written a book of rules about dating apps.
41:14
Speaker 2: So I did as a newly divorced woman and had
41:17
Speaker 2: so much fun discovering what the flaws were and how
41:20
Speaker 2: to weed out the weirdos and keep them safe.
41:22
Speaker 1: And okay, wait, wait, wait. So we need to talk
41:24
Speaker 1: about that for a second. So yeah, I have to
41:27
Speaker 1: read that. That's great. So first of all, is there
41:29
Speaker 1: one app that you think is better than the other?
41:32
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many out there now. It's
41:34
Speaker 1: hard to know where to look.
41:36
Speaker 2: That's right. And it keeps changing. But I think that
41:37
Speaker 2: there's different apps for different age groups as well. So
41:41
Speaker 2: I feel like, yes, you will probably get more guys
41:44
Speaker 2: in their sort of 50s and stuff like that on
41:46
Speaker 2: the Tinder app. And I feel like it's because they
41:49
Speaker 2: don't realize when they become newly divorced that there are
41:52
Speaker 2: other apps like Hinge and Bumble.
41:55
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so funny that you say that. So you
41:56
Speaker 1: think they're not used to it. They don't know. So
41:58
Speaker 1: they go on Tinder because they've heard of it.
42:00
Speaker 2: Tinder got a lot of good and bad exposure when
42:02
Speaker 2: it first came out. It was kind of the pioneer
42:04
Speaker 2: of the profession, right? So I feel like that's my
42:07
Speaker 2: theory on why there are a lot of men like that.
42:09
Speaker 2: But then they don't always behave correctly. So if you
42:12
Speaker 2: want like a quality connection, I do find that there
42:15
Speaker 2: is a little bit of better behavior on Hinge. But
42:18
Speaker 2: if you're in your like 20s, 30s, late 30s, maybe
42:21
Speaker 2: early 40s, I still think Bumble's a great one as well.
42:25
Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan of how the women have
42:27
Speaker 2: to do the reaching out first. The theory is that,
42:29
Speaker 2: you know, she's in control. But from my research, I've
42:32
Speaker 2: also found that it emasculates the man. They can't do anything,
42:36
Speaker 2: you know, and they want to be the one to
42:37
Speaker 2: also instigate. And they're sitting there waiting with their hands
42:40
Speaker 2: tied for a woman to call the shot type thing.
42:43
Speaker 2: But what I have found is since I've written the
42:45
Speaker 2: book and discovered all their flaws and said, this is
42:47
Speaker 2: what you need to do. You need to verify them.
42:49
Speaker 2: You need to you know, find out their other social media,
42:53
Speaker 2: you need to have a video call before you meet
42:54
Speaker 2: them in real life, all these sorts of things to
42:56
Speaker 2: keep you safe. The apps have started to step up.
42:59
Speaker 2: They've included verification. There is now voice notes, videos, all
43:02
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff to check that the person's real.
43:05
Speaker 2: My biggest tip though, to keep you safe is if
43:07
Speaker 2: you're asking for their other social media account, for example,
43:09
Speaker 2: you said, show me your Instagram before I, you know,
43:11
Speaker 2: keep talking to you because you don't want to be
43:13
Speaker 2: talking to a catfish. A lot of people have also,
43:17
Speaker 2: you know, rigged that system and created an Instagram account
43:21
Speaker 2: If you look through the photos that they have uploaded
43:24
Speaker 2: so they could create a fake Instagram account to go
43:27
Speaker 2: with their fake dating profile account, just make sure that
43:30
Speaker 2: you're watching who are the people that are interacting with
43:33
Speaker 2: them underneath, if they're real people. Because if they've got
43:36
Speaker 2: no likes or a bunch of likes and no comments
43:39
Speaker 2: and all of the photos on Instagram have been uploaded
43:41
Speaker 2: within the space of a week, then you know they've
43:43
Speaker 2: just quickly pulled that together, right?
43:45
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
43:45
Speaker 2: So yeah, just keep it in mind.
43:47
Speaker 1: I also have found that if you do a little
43:49
Speaker 1: research on these people and you see who they're following
43:52
Speaker 1: or who they're liking their things, if it's a group
43:55
Speaker 1: of women that are all in their 20s 20s and
43:58
Speaker 1: they all look a certain way you can tell that
44:00
Speaker 1: they're out for one thing right yeah I'm looking for
44:03
Speaker 1: someone who's like marriage minded and monogamous and wants to
44:06
Speaker 1: be in a real relationship so to me I would
44:08
Speaker 1: not date men like that yeah so there are red
44:11
Speaker 1: flags that I can see automatically but I will you
44:14
Speaker 1: know it's very funny my daughter who's 11 oh yeah
44:17
Speaker 1: just last week her friend was over And they were
44:20
Speaker 1: in the room doing something. And finally, I went in
44:22
Speaker 1: and I said, what are you guys doing? They were giggling.
44:24
Speaker 1: They had created a profile on Hinge.
44:27
Speaker 2: Oh.
44:27
Speaker 1: And I was like, what? What do you mean? And
44:30
Speaker 1: they did it. They found some kid's picture of off
44:34
Speaker 1: the internet and created a whole fake profile and they
44:37
Speaker 1: already were getting messages from people. So of course I
44:40
Speaker 1: deleted it for them. But they were, but they were like, mom,
44:44
Speaker 1: see how easy this is. You got to be careful
44:46
Speaker 1: when you're dating, you know? And I had never really
44:49
Speaker 1: thought of that, like how easy it is for people
44:51
Speaker 1: to just fake everything, you know? So I find that
44:54
Speaker 1: to be really, really scary.
44:56
Speaker 2: Or for somebody like you with a public profile, I
44:58
Speaker 2: would only suggest you get on something like Raya.
45:00
Speaker 1: You know what's funny? I've been on Raya's waiting list
45:02
Speaker 1: for seven years.
45:03
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to add you and we'll make that
45:05
Speaker 2: speed up.
45:05
Speaker 1: Okay. Because I don't understand. I think they have like
45:07
Speaker 1: my wrong Instagram and I don't know how to fix it.
45:11
Speaker 1: And I can't just delete the whole application and start over.
45:14
Speaker 3: Right.
45:14
Speaker 1: But every time I like go back on to look.
45:17
Speaker 1: It's like I see that it's still on this waiting list.
45:19
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is ridiculous.
45:20
Speaker 2: Look, girl, I don't think you're going to have any
45:22
Speaker 2: problem in the dating field.
45:25
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very picky. I think you are probably, too.
45:28
Speaker 1: And we have children and we have a whole life
45:30
Speaker 1: going on. And you're in the public eye, too, now.
45:33
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, you're very you kind of
45:35
Speaker 1: don't need a man for a lot of reasons that
45:38
Speaker 1: maybe when we were younger, we thought we did or
45:40
Speaker 1: we thought we were going to be in love for
45:41
Speaker 1: different reasons. So for me, I really want an asset.
45:44
Speaker 1: I want someone who's like a teammate. I want a
45:46
Speaker 1: witness to my life. Yeah, and someone who's going to
45:49
Speaker 1: make a difference as opposed to someone who just, you know,
45:52
Speaker 1: is there because they're there. I want someone that's smarter
45:54
Speaker 1: than me sometimes. I feel like I have to be
45:56
Speaker 1: the smartest one all the time. And that's exhausting. You know,
45:59
Speaker 1: I want to be the female once in a while.
46:01
Speaker 1: I want to be the one that just gets to
46:02
Speaker 1: show up and be cute, whatever. But that's never, you know,
46:06
Speaker 1: where I can show up. It's like I'm always... You know,
46:09
Speaker 1: I'm the man and the woman in my life because
46:10
Speaker 1: I'm a single mom and I take care of my daughter. And,
46:13
Speaker 1: you know, of course, her dad is in the picture,
46:15
Speaker 1: but I have her most of the time. And it's
46:17
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot there's a lot that we
46:19
Speaker 1: have to do to make our lives fulfilling without a man.
46:22
Speaker 1: So to have some man step in the picture, they
46:24
Speaker 1: better be really spectacular and extraordinary.
46:26
Speaker 2: I feel like that's you're calling it in. It's coming
46:28
Speaker 2: in for you this year for sure.
46:30
Speaker 1: Oh, well.
46:30
Speaker 2: And at the same time, you know, I just want
46:32
Speaker 2: to address how healthy it is to flirt. Yeah. You know,
46:34
Speaker 2: it's great for the oxytocin. So while we're on that,
46:37
Speaker 2: you know, superwoman, single mom playing this crusade and helping
46:41
Speaker 2: others journey, it's really important to kind of just say,
46:44
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a flirt today or I'm going
46:46
Speaker 2: to tell someone that they've got a beautiful personality or whatever,
46:50
Speaker 2: and just really do that for others so that you
46:53
Speaker 2: can feel good in your oxytocin release and your serotonin
46:56
Speaker 2: and you know, decreasing all of those stress hormones just
46:59
Speaker 2: by having fun, like flirting. So bring that into your
47:02
Speaker 2: life and get that happening. And you don't have to
47:06
Speaker 2: find it on a dating app, but it's just one
47:08
Speaker 2: of those other tools in your bag of tricks, because
47:10
Speaker 2: I feel like it helps you with the flirting muscle.
47:13
Speaker 2: It exercises that so that when you're in real life
47:16
Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, Hey, how are you? Cause
47:18
Speaker 2: you're already doing it. Do you know what I mean?
47:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:20
Speaker 1: But it's so true because a lot of people don't
47:22
Speaker 1: show up in their life and seem available. I've had
47:24
Speaker 1: some people on the show that have talked about dating
47:26
Speaker 1: and tips and relationship tips. And if you think about it,
47:29
Speaker 1: when you go to the supermarket, you have your hat on,
47:31
Speaker 1: your sunglasses on, you're not available for people to come
47:33
Speaker 1: up and talk to you. So it's kind of just
47:35
Speaker 1: making yourself more available.
47:38
Speaker 2: Okay.
47:38
Speaker 1: Before we end this, I want to talk a little
47:40
Speaker 1: bit about nutrition. What should we stay away from in nutrition?
47:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely the inflammatory foods. So I just recently did
47:49
Speaker 2: a detox from all the inflammatory drivers, which are the sugars,
47:52
Speaker 2: the wheats, the dairy, the alcohol, gluten.
47:56
Speaker 1: So even if you don't have a gluten intolerance, you
47:59
Speaker 1: shouldn't be eating these things.
48:00
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, wheats and glutens and breads and pastas and
48:04
Speaker 2: rice and potatoes all help create that warm, damp candida environment,
48:09
Speaker 2: which is a perfect breeding ground for parasites. And so,
48:12
Speaker 2: you know, we all have parasites, but it's just really
48:14
Speaker 2: good to do a detox once or twice a year.
48:16
Speaker 2: I mean, your body can just take a break for
48:17
Speaker 2: a little while. There's nothing wrong with that. You know,
48:19
Speaker 2: just reset the nervous system, the immune system and all
48:22
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. So I'd definitely say detox from
48:25
Speaker 2: parasites and heavy metals a couple of times a year
48:29
Speaker 2: if possible. And then just generally, you know, if you
48:32
Speaker 2: can kill it and grow it, you should eat it.
48:34
Speaker 2: Food that is alive gives you life. So that's not
48:37
Speaker 2: necessarily a paleolithic concept. You can be a vegan too,
48:40
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about eating fresh, live, whole foods. Within
48:44
Speaker 2: that whole food source, you have micronutrition, so the vitamins
48:48
Speaker 2: and minerals. Macronutrition is fats, proteins, and carbohydrates. That's a
48:52
Speaker 2: fitness thing. You know, you can be fit, lean, shredded,
48:55
Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean you're well. Are you fertile?
48:59
Speaker 4: Right.
48:59
Speaker 2: So that's like a bodybuilder concept, but it's not a
49:02
Speaker 2: wellness concept. So the wellness concept for things like anti-aging
49:05
Speaker 2: and immunity and all that sort of stuff is to
49:07
Speaker 2: make sure that your micronutritional uptake is there. And at
49:11
Speaker 2: the same time, have a great working nervous system, gut
49:14
Speaker 2: health and hormones with things like chiropractic or detoxing off
49:19
Speaker 2: the technology, having quality sleep, mindfulness, all of those things
49:23
Speaker 2: to allow the maximum assimilation of nutrition. Because you could
49:27
Speaker 2: have great organic foods and supplements, but if your assimilation
49:31
Speaker 2: or ability to use that nutrition isn't there, you may
49:33
Speaker 2: as well be peeing it out. So it really is
49:35
Speaker 2: a holistic approach. look and response to how we treat
49:39
Speaker 2: our bodies, which is this fun ongoing life journey.
49:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you believe that people should take a break
49:44
Speaker 1: from drinking or do you believe in one glass of
49:47
Speaker 1: wine a day is really healthy?
49:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, having a break from anything's great, but
49:51
Speaker 2: I also found that, you know, having a glass of
49:53
Speaker 2: organic preservative free red wine or whatever it is that
49:56
Speaker 2: you want to do, you know, once a week when
49:58
Speaker 2: you're unwinding can also be beneficial because You have to
50:01
Speaker 2: kind of weigh up the reason for your drinking. Am
50:04
Speaker 2: I doing it when I'm feeling good or am I
50:06
Speaker 2: just wasting myself? Think about the term getting wasted. You're
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Speaker 2: just wasting your life.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's really interesting to think of it in that way. Okay.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So people can get Treasured Chest at Amazon, right? And
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Speaker 1: do you have a website where people can look up
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Speaker 1: your book?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Amazon actually do keep hiding it, blurring the image,
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Speaker 2: sensitive content. So if you can't find it there, it
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Speaker 2: should be there on Kindle. But if you can't find
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Speaker 2: it there and you do want to get a signed,
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Speaker 2: printed copy, it's on my website, andylew.com.
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Speaker 1: Okay, perfect. Spell your name.
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Speaker 2: A-N-D-I-L-E-W, like Lewis, dot com.
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Speaker 1: And because you've written so many books and you're so
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Speaker 1: good at it, can we expect another book out of
50:43
Speaker 1: you in the future?
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Speaker 2: I know. It's like, what am I doing? Because, you know,
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Speaker 2: every time I release another book, I'm like, I'm never
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Speaker 2: doing this again. And then I get an idea for
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Speaker 2: another one. I have thought about a parasite detox diet
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Speaker 2: sort of recipe book. And then some other ones. But
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I need a break.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. OK, well, hopefully in the future there
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Speaker 1: will be something else. I know people will be interested.
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Speaker 1: But people have 10 books to go through.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: Before they need to worry about what you're.
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Speaker 2: Coming out with next. You guys need to catch up
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Speaker 2: on those ones before.
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Speaker 1: So tell people where they can find your podcast, where
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Speaker 1: they can find all your stuff one more time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. So well to do is the name of
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Speaker 2: the podcast. Andy Lou dot com is my website. Andy
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Speaker 2: dot Lou on Instagram slide into my DMs. I'll never
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Speaker 2: ghost you. That was one of my other favorite books.
51:25
Speaker 2: It's all about ghosting. Where'd they go? I'm always there.
51:28
Speaker 2: Don't worry. I won't ghost you.
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Speaker 1: So you do read your DMs and respond.
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Speaker 2: I do. I love that grassroots connection of the people.
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Speaker 2: You know, it can be exhausting. So I do try
51:37
Speaker 2: and take breaks, but I will get back to you.
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Speaker 1: All right, perfect. Andy, it was such a pleasure. Again,
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Speaker 1: you are beautiful inside and out. And I'm just so
51:46
Speaker 1: honored you were here with me.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's the beauty in you that sees the light
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Speaker 2: in me. So thank you.
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