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Trekcast 444: Star Trek Generations, Does it hold up? Was it good? Review · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Speaker 1: Trek has the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast, coming
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  Speaker 1: at July from studios in New York, Idaho, and Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: This is Trek Cast, the Galaxy's most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Today on the show, we're going to talk about Star
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  Speaker 1: Trek Generations. Plus we've got Star Trek News and your
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  Speaker 1: listener feedback and now together again. It's Scott Daniel and
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  Speaker 1: he's there.
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  Speaker 2: He's here. He's preparing something people.
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  Speaker 1: He's here. He's got a special surprise. That's rights been
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  Speaker 1: working on a holiday program. We can hear with the background.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, it's coming, It's coming.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, while he's working on that, I've got I
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  Speaker 1: was watching the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Generations.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and uh And I told everybody in the in
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  Speaker 1: the group chat, you know on Facebook. I said, you know, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: grab your enterprise D. And that's exactly what I did.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I was watching watching the movie and it
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  Speaker 1: lights up and everything. So this is the uh.
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  Speaker 2: I did to show off your D on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: I decided to show off my D on the internet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And at a certain point in the movie, at a
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  Speaker 1: certain point in the movie, I had to adjust and
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  Speaker 1: uh just have the saucer section.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, there you go. Yeah, I recently
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  Speaker 2: posted a photo of the original Constitution class compared to
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  Speaker 2: the Galaxy class on the end. Yeah, and and people
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  Speaker 2: lost their crap when I put the the hashtag. It's
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  Speaker 2: not the size that matters.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know a lot of people, you know, our
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  Speaker 1: generation grew up on next Jet. So you know, my favorite,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's favorite from sort of our generation is was the
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  Speaker 1: Enterprise D. But you know, the older Star Trek generation,
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  Speaker 1: you know there it's the original series and.
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  Speaker 2: Laying down from pipe on the internet too, you can
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  Speaker 2: hear you hear it.
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  Speaker 1: And uh so you know the original series that started
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  Speaker 1: it all. You know, it was just three three seasons
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  Speaker 1: and by all accounts, by any measurable standard, it wasn't great.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you know, back.
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  Speaker 2: In the day, if you're replacing Bets, you would have
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  Speaker 2: bet that Lost in Space would have been the bigger
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  Speaker 2: franchise by far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, by far. Yeah, that's not what happened. No, not
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  Speaker 1: not even a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what is what is this? Magnificent beauty? Wow?
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  Speaker 2: I the hey guys, you know I.
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  Speaker 3: Started doing I started doing the show from the basement
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  Speaker 3: last year. It kind of solved my technical difficulties. And
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  Speaker 3: we're sitting here on the pre show and I look
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  Speaker 3: on the shelf in my basement and I see this
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  Speaker 3: box and I realized what it is. And Daniel called
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  Speaker 3: it right away, and uh, this is the banner that
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  Speaker 3: we had made up a few years ago when we
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  Speaker 3: went to uh Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So you don't see it too well. You don't see
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  Speaker 3: it too well in the background, but I like it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe for next week I can hang it or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little better.
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  Speaker 2: That's great.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the ruckus you heard right.
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  Speaker 2: It's working out. It's there.
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  Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, good pot.
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  Speaker 3: I only dropped pieces and they're rolling all over the
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  Speaker 3: floor and you guys are trying to act natural.
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  Speaker 2: But whatever, it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I think anyone who's anyone who's disappointed, this is their
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  Speaker 3: first time watching this show.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if something something like that is
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  Speaker 1: going to drive our audience members away, they would have
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  Speaker 1: been gone a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt. He even Jasmine says nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it says, hey, I remember that banner. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that banner because I was not there.
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  Speaker 2: You were not there.
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  Speaker 3: You were on I think you were on your fourth vacation.
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  Speaker 1: I was at my fourth vacation that week that year, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, yeah, I just watched that video of
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  Speaker 1: what I when I was on the cruise and you
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  Speaker 1: guys did the show and I happen to have dec
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  Speaker 1: Wi Fi and I called into the show and that
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  Speaker 1: I I did this little skit where I'm like Cabata
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  Speaker 1: boy and my my son comes over and hands camera.
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  Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a map of the States? Is dang going
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  Speaker 2: to be taking over? Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Really last week?
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  Speaker 3: Last week? That's Those are all the the missile silos.
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  Speaker 1: Those are all those all them nice? So how's everybody doing? Good?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's uh, the kids are all sick. So
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  Speaker 3: they missed half the week of school. They missed the
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  Speaker 3: first round of Uh, they missed the first round of
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  Speaker 3: like like Halloween celebrations around town, the trunk re treats
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  Speaker 3: and all that, and you know, I'm disappointed for them,
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  Speaker 3: also disappointed for me. You know, I got this five
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  Speaker 3: hundred dollars proton pack I purchased a few years ago,
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  Speaker 3: and I have a limited amount of opportunities to wear
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  Speaker 3: that around. Yeah, I mean technically I could wear it
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  Speaker 3: any day anywhere. You know, you know, you show up
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  Speaker 3: wearing that march somewhere and you kind of looked as
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  Speaker 3: a lunatic.
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  Speaker 1: So well, you know, we've got We've got there's the
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  Speaker 1: cons there's we've got like Kalns out ceremonies where the
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  Speaker 1: Ghostbusters show up. We've got callums of Ghostbusters show up
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  Speaker 1: to different like charity events and stuff like that, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, children's whatevers and stuff. So so you're not
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  Speaker 1: getting too old, Dan, because you know, in the in
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  Speaker 1: the in the last couple of movies, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: the geriatric Ghostbusters did show up with the proton packs
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  Speaker 1: on their back, So can transition into that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my neighbor, my neighbor Reid is also a fan,
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  Speaker 3: and uh he's been talking about joining the Hudson Valley Ghostbusters.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, okay, I think.
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  Speaker 3: He wants me to join with him, So I'm I'm
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  Speaker 3: considered it. We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: You know, some people joined the Eggs Clubs and join
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  Speaker 2: the VFW. You guys are gonna go for the Ghastbusters.
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  Speaker 3: Ghostbusters and Starfleet International.
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  Speaker 1: The guys at Starfleet International and the guys at Ghostbusters
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  Speaker 1: all around my town. They always show up to all
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  Speaker 1: the you know, like I said, the Town's out stuff
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  Speaker 1: and the the Children's hospital stuff and all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I just realized, when when you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: after a long life and Scott goes, you're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: like the Patriot Guard and the Ghostbusters and some sort
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  Speaker 2: of like Starfleet Group. It's gonna be the craziest.
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  Speaker 1: My memorial service is gonna be so eclectic.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So many uniforms, bikers with Secret Guard best and Ghostbusters?
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  Speaker 3: Is this comic Con?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? That's does I want my funeral to be comic
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  Speaker 1: con themed?
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Scott, just know, just know when that day comes, uh,
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  Speaker 3: Daniel and I will be there, unless, of course we're
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  Speaker 3: on our third vacation.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, or a drek long island.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh god.
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  Speaker 2: Uh so, well, let's let's get into the news. I
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  Speaker 2: guess on that note, let's do that all right. So
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  Speaker 2: our first news story, I don't know why it was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to hear, but this is where I got it from. Uh, Dan,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're familiar with this publication, The Niagara Frontier Publications.
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  Speaker 1: SUREM subscription Actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as as do we all. They have posted as
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  Speaker 2: long as a lot of other places. But we finally
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  Speaker 2: have the horrific prophecy apparently of wind Star Trek Academy
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  Speaker 2: will be released upon the world. And actually, now that
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  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't want to make a graph like
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  Speaker 2: a hole on stinger graphic for Star Trek Academy, but
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  Speaker 2: I felt it needed something. And so now whenever we
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  Speaker 2: talk about the school, we have this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so it is. It is a lightning sound
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  Speaker 2: followed by a wolf howl followed by an evil laugh
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  Speaker 2: for the dark prophecy of Start Trink Academy.
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  Speaker 3: So for those who don't know, something's up my setup
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  Speaker 3: and I can't hear any of these sound effects.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate because they're great.
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  Speaker 3: So you guys at home, you will. You will hear
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  Speaker 3: the sound effect and then you will hear a description
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  Speaker 3: of this because because at Trek Cast we we we
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  Speaker 3: take care of the the impaired. You know, if you
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  Speaker 3: uh a pair hearing compair, do you feel good?
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  Speaker 2: So what the I don't know, just clicking buttons anyways,
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  Speaker 2: So Star Trek Academy will be released on Paramount Plus
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  Speaker 2: January fifteenth. I have also read that there is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a two episode premiere, so in case you
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  Speaker 2: can't get enough for getting two episodes back to back.
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  Speaker 1: Get it over.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. The amount of articles I have read where
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  Speaker 2: we're even just normal people, not like hardcore Star Trek fans,
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  Speaker 2: but like publications like I think it was on IGN.
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  Speaker 2: There was one on Collier talking about you can tell
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  Speaker 2: that Paramount is not even confident in this show either, Like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the the actress that plays Tilly, she was originally contracted
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  Speaker 2: I guess to play Tilly in multiple episodes and they
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  Speaker 2: reduced her down to just one episode. And what they
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  Speaker 2: were saying in the articles is that like basically, they
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  Speaker 2: don't want to associate Discovery with Star Trek Academy. That's how.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, why why do it in this era?
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  Speaker 1: That? But but so they don't want they don't want
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  Speaker 1: something as bad as Discovery to be associated with this.
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  Speaker 2: That's that is what these are reports are saying, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we shall see.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Yeah, for years, for years they've been
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  Speaker 3: telling us how great Discovery is. It isn't okay, And
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a case of they know that this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a train wreck, and they don't
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  Speaker 3: want to have to justify it further, so they're trying to.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's why they're trying to. They're tired of
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  Speaker 3: lying to.
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  Speaker 1: Us, right. I want one of our fans out there
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  Speaker 1: to do an AI of Donald Trump saying how wonderful
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  Speaker 1: Discovery is and how great it is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hear me out here, hear me out here. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They they think Discovery was great and we didn't like it, right,
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  Speaker 2: And let's say, in theory, they're not confident about this one.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this one's great and they don't realize it because
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  Speaker 2: they're like, Discovery was amazing, and I don't know, it
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  Speaker 2: could be I'm hoping. I'm hoping it could.
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  Speaker 1: Be because you know, even a blind, narrow blind squirrel
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  Speaker 1: finds a nut every once in a while. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this could be great. This could this could
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  Speaker 1: be Discovery. Something we liked Stranger World season one, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and they're just not advertising it right, They're
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  Speaker 1: not promoting it correctly. They're not showing us the good
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  Speaker 1: bits in the preview, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so hopefully it's great, you know, cautiously optimistic,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, until then, I've got the sound effect
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  Speaker 2: for the school. I just wanted a spooky sound so
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  Speaker 2: for Dan, Dan only that's right.
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  Speaker 1: We heard we heard a thunderstorm followed by with a
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  Speaker 1: wolf cry. You know. And maybe I'm wrong about Paul Giamatti.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna become a huge Paul Giamatti fan after this.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he's just gonna it's gonna rock my world. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe I want otherwise, how many episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Is this going to be like routine? Probably something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's gonna be a long eight or thirteen episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Of it's gonna be a long road from getting from
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  Speaker 2: there to hear.
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  Speaker 1: So I recommend, I don't know if I can do,
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  Speaker 1: goes to his psychiatrist now and get the proper medications
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  Speaker 1: for for the upcoming Trek Cast episode.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to get a better help sponsorship so
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  Speaker 2: we can send Dan to the therapy after after watching it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, medications, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Our next new story comes from from Yahoo Entertainment, and
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  Speaker 2: a star Trek star admits he was really frightened to
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  Speaker 2: play his iconic role. We're talking about Ethan Peck and
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: he's talking about getting cast as Spock. This was in
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  Speaker 2: a recent interview in Entertainment Tonight where he talked a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about being very intimidated to play Spot, that
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  Speaker 2: he didn't know about it until late into the callbacks session.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's said it was like the second or
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  Speaker 2: third round that he finally realized, oh, I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 2: playing Spot if I get this, And he was very
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  Speaker 2: very intimidated by the prospect, but he decided, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's a good challenge. I'm gonna go for it. And so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's taken it on since it's a fun interview.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a light newsweek. So yeah, yeah, our
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: next story comes to us from let's see Den of Geeks.
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  Speaker 2: This one, I thought, I really wanted to get your
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  Speaker 2: guys' thoughts on this. It seemed like a cool idea
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  Speaker 2: to me. But apparently we almost got Evil Kirk on
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  Speaker 2: Star Trek Enterprise. Yeah. So apparently it just came down
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  Speaker 2: to money. Grandpa wanted a little bit more Cheddar and
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  Speaker 2: the network wasn't willing to kick it. But yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: almost got uh Dark Universe or Mirror Universe Kurt showing
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  Speaker 2: up to face Archer dandy. I guess you know a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. For years there was talk of getting
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  Speaker 3: him on there in any way that they could. This
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  Speaker 3: was this was one of the options that was discussed.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The other option was he was gonna be chef. Remember
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  Speaker 3: how you never saw oh yeah, yea, yeah yeah on
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  Speaker 3: that show. Yeah, until it turned out to be William Riker, right,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, this was this was one of the other options.
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  Speaker 1: Will Riker over will Shattner any day.
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  Speaker 2: Good to know.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just I'm just a Riker fan.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you got your wills? I get it, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, I just thought that was a fun story.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. And then our last little bit for our
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  Speaker 2: UK listeners, which oh yeah, there he is. There, there's
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  Speaker 2: will for our UK listeners. The first season of Strange
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  Speaker 2: New Worlds is now streaming for free in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: It is on I t v X. I guess that's
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  Speaker 2: the streaming service over there. I'm not familiar with it,
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  Speaker 2: but uh, yeah it is. The first season is available
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  Speaker 2: on the ad supported tiers, so you can oh, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what is that Farani doing?
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  Speaker 3: Well, grab it stuff off the shelf, right, Okay, fair enough?
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  Speaker 3: This is this is my You know why I love this.
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  Speaker 3: This is my FARRANGI piggy bank because you are never
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  Speaker 3: too young to learn about fiscal responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. A waiting game Morning Jets loving
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  Speaker 2: the school Stinger. That show is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Ass Hey, I've got something for your piggy bank, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: you do? What do you got? I got a piece
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  Speaker 1: of gold press latinum?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my address.
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  Speaker 1: I got. I got this at the Capital City Comic con.
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  Speaker 3: Okay is it?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: Is it three D printed? Is it cast?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It does look like it's three D printed? Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they were handing them out, the weather person, Katie, she
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  Speaker 1: was handing them out when she was doing the Oh yeah, so.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere a shopping list when you go to the convention,
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  Speaker 2: right right, Yeah, somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I have a I have a key chain from Star
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  Speaker 3: Trek the Experience, and it's a it's a strip of latinum,
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  Speaker 3: but it's like real metal, so it's it's heavy and
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  Speaker 3: the way they you know, are meant to. But I
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  Speaker 3: was wanted I just wanted to get like fifty of
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  Speaker 3: them and cut the key chain off and just.
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  Speaker 2: I've been wanting to get a mobile emitter and then
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  Speaker 2: wear it at a convention and say that I am
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  Speaker 2: cause playing as the hologram version of me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you yeah, yeah. I have seen some pretty good
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  Speaker 1: mobile emitters at at the Starfleet International booth. You got
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  Speaker 1: a three D printed mobile emitter that that's really good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's someone etsy to like all painted up and
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  Speaker 2: look back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually speaking of three D printers. We're actually
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  Speaker 1: thinking about a three D printer as like a Christmas
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  Speaker 1: a family, like nice family. So I went I started
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  Speaker 1: to do my research.
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  Speaker 3: I went to a big flea market last weekend. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's one that I used to go to, excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: across the river from here in the county I used
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  Speaker 3: to live in and I used to go to it
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit, and it's it's huge. It's it's done
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  Speaker 3: at an old airport, so they have just big, wide
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  Speaker 3: open uh space. And I haven't been to it in
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  Speaker 3: about ten years, and the amount of booths that were
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  Speaker 3: selling three D printed chachi's was just.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, that is taking over those places.
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  Speaker 1: They do a lot of that kind of stuff at
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  Speaker 1: comic cons at the booths, but it's it's theme towards
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've actually bought a couple of things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like articulable like dragons and stuff like that, and and
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  Speaker 1: they've given away they like Starve Starfleet International. They printed
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  Speaker 1: out the guys that at the COMSA and I can't
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  Speaker 1: think of all the ships right now, but they printed
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  Speaker 1: out some little, uh little figurines to give away if
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  Speaker 1: you donated, you know, to their cause. So yeah, it'd
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  Speaker 1: be cool to just yeah, I can imagine as soon
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: as I get it, you know, and bye by January first,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have com badges and track quarders and figurines.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And I would.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Recommend, I would before you get it, I would recommend
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: going to your local library because most of them do
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: have three D printers and classes on how to use it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, and they're all free.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that's a great idea. So looking at you said,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: go to the local what now, right? Right?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: The the bookstore that you don't have to buy books.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It's really weird.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my my grandfather used to tell me stories about.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: That, the taxpayer funded bookstore.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Not free. Nothing's free, nothing free.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it is nice that road. Not free, that's right,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Did you guys have a bookmobile? Hell yeah, back in
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the day bus okay, a bus that went around the neighborhood.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Actually, we have one still here because there's so many
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: rural communities all over the place. Oh well, they do
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: have a bookmobile. But yeah, every now and then you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: see it on the roads.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, welcome to nostalgia cast.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Shall we a waiting game so
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you can't three D print that phaser rifle here?
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, someone someone's gonna call the ATF on you. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: phaser rifles.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. All right, Well, should
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: we get to our main topic on that note?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fun will now comment.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I always make the joke because I bring my little
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: tidy type one phaser with me every place I go,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: especially like to Chicago because they have really strict gun
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: laws there. Oh yeah, yeah, well at least I've concealed
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: carrying this. It's a little tidy type one phaser.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. That's funny.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, why yeah, that's that's what I bring.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: A phaser.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's just a phaser. Don't worry about it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: It's just a praser.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a phase. I mean paser. No, we
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: are reviewing the Star Trek Generations. This is from nineteen
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: ninety four. Hold were you guys in nineteen ninety four.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, about that age I was. I was a teenager.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I was. I was a senior in high school. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you just said this came out in November nineteen ninety four,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: so it was during the school year. And this was
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the first time I went to a midnight showing of
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: a movie on a school so I went. I went
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Thursday night to be there at twelve oh one when
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the movie started. So you know, it was me and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: my my friend Eric, and we got out at like
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: two thirty in the morning, and I remember I dropped
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: him off at his house. I'm like, all right, man,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I'll pick up for school in like four hours. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: went to sleep for a couple of hours, got up, showered,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: and picked them up and went to school.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So that there is you must say. It was as
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: popular as me as I in high school.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't go to the movie alone.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, oh man.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So you know this, there's a ton of there's a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: ton of stuff on this movie. I don't even know
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: where you want.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: To start, Daniel, I feel like we don't need to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: like do a recap of the movie, like people everybody, Yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: so we can just kind of get into our thoughts
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: on it. I will say this, I feel rewatching it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I've seen it, so,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you know, rewatching it, I kind of felt like I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: was watching it with fresh eyes in a lot of ways,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: and I forgot how clunky this movie is. Like some
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: parts flow really well and feel good. Other parts do not.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They feel shoehorned in or they feel out of place,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and it's it's bad and sad because like you had
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: such the good makings to do something amazing, and it
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: felt like they just put together halfway ideas of an
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: episode and you know, kind of like patchworked it and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: made it a movie.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And if you know the history of how this movie
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: was written, yeah, that's exactly what happened. So apparently I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: think it was Ron Moore. I think it was Ron
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Moore that wrote this.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah he's writing credited. Yeah yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And it was like Ron, come on in here and
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: he sits down and they tell him we want you
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: to write the next Star Trek movie. And he's like cool.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: They said, all right, it's a TOS movie, it's also
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: a TG movie. So here's the criteria. You gotta have
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Captain Kirk in there. You gotta have Captain Picard in there.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: They have to meet each other. We're going to destroy
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the enterprise. D Data gets emotions, and we want Klingons
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: in there too. Go write this movie. Oh and you
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: got what be Goldberg too? That was that was literally
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: what what happened. So knowing that, I think he did
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: a pretty good job sewing those things together and making
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: a movie. But but yes, it is clunky. It is
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: absolutely clunky. And you're also canna remember, like it was
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: less than a year I think since TG went off
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the air, right, so that show, that show was fresh
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: in everyone's minds. That show was the highest rated show
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: in syndication at the time that it went off the air.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: The finale of that show, I don't think it got
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: mash finale numbers, but it was. It was watched by
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: a gazillion people. So, you know, TOS went off the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: air and it was ten or so years, twelve years
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: or whatever until the movie came out. You know, the
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: motion picture came out, and the motion picture looks different
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: than TOS. But everybody kind of expected that it had
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: been it had been ten years. This was like ten months,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: so it was kind of jarring. I'm rewatching it this morning,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: and I didn't watch the whole thing, but the TOS
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: movie scenes at the beginning look like, look like the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Undiscovered Country. Yeah, it looks it looks yeah, flows perfectly.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Then we transition to the tng Era and we're on
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the holidack at first, so it's okay that it doesn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: look exactly like what we remember. But when they transitioned
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to the interior scenes on the Enterprise, it's like, what
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the hell are we looking at here?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: All of them because it was so dark.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of the lighting.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: All of the lighting is different. Uh yep. The combadges
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: are different. The uniforms are a mixture between Deep Space
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: nine and tng uniforms, which there's a backstory to that too.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: They completely redesigned the uniforms for this movie, and at
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: the last minute they scrapped them because they looked like shit,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and there's very few pictures and video of those uniforms.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: One one place they did survive if you look at
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the toys for this Uh, for this line, they had
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: already sculpted the toys, so the toys are the new
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the new scrapped uniforms. So if you take a look
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: at them, you can see they have they have the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: rank on the on the sleeves, they have kind of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: like an opening thing on the chest, like the like
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: the TOS movie uniforms.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Did Napoleon?
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Like Napoleon with the yes yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, So you know, there was a lot going on
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: with the making of this movie that did make it clunk.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I mean even the uniform that the DS nine uniforms,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: they borrowed those from the Deep Space nine props to
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: the part right, so you know, Riker is wearing Cisco's uniform, right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Georgia sleeves were too short, yep, yep, yep, So they
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: did the whole I'm gonna roll up the I'm going
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: to roll up the sleeves like like O'Brien does sometimes
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: to make it look good.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Quite right, Yeah, wild Bill seventeen oh one says the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Redesign uniform is the basis for the lower Decks.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Uniform that tracks.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that tracks, Yeah, looks similar.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I pulled up the Rotten Tomatoes scores. So according
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: to the critics forty eight percent. According to the fans
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: fifty so not necessarily beloved but did make money. Had
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a budget of thirty five million, made one hundred and eighteen.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So you can't make a low budget porn for thirty
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: five million dollars today.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I mean you can't.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not anyway, I'm not any means.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Scott, please enlighten us with your.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yes as your mom watches the show.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I've crunched the numbers I've got.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, you crunched something.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Vigorous there, you know? No, no, you know, maybe if
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I only use this version of the d maybe maybe. Man.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: The one thing that is always one thing that has
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: always bothered me about this movie is the presence of
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Tim Ross on the bridge of the Enterprise B Yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: playing playing, not Tuvac.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I have made up so many stories in my head
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: about how he could be Tuvac with rounded ears, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the best that came up with is he just came
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: back from an away mission where he had to have
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: his ear surgically altered.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: The only other problem with that is he he's a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: little bit more emotional on the bridge of the enterprise.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: B He's he's a little bit excited, and.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: His hairlines is just a touch. Is he's got a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: human airline rather than a vulcan caroline.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Again away, you know, they just came back from an
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: away mission where he had to pass this human.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like, I mean, when did Voyager come out?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: When did Voyager? P?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Twenty five?
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was this That was like I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: it was like winter nineteen ninety five and this came
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: out in full nineteen ninety four. How did they not
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: know that this guy is playing this other role?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, they knew, they just didn't care. Yeah.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Well, this part of me that feels like if if
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: if George Lucas can go back and and make Grido
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: shoot first, then they should go back, and they should
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: go back and make this guy too.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Box.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Just do it, Just do it, just do it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Do it.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Sure, there's probably a book out there somewhere where, Oh,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I guarantee Bok is talking about is I'm maybe the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: idea of him coming back from a mission, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: having just been surgically altered as a human. That's probably
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: been done.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it's in a book, a video game,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: comic book, something.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I've got a question, and I I never
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: had this platform before. Oh go, I've got I've got
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a question for the fans to help me out with.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: At thirty nine minutes and twenty eight seconds into this movie,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it's the scene where Picard is in his quarters by
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: himself looking at his family picture album and the doorchime
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: rings and Counselor Troy walks in and he turns around
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and he says, oh, yes, hello, counselor. And in my ears,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: and I've listened to it literally hundreds of times, it
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sounds like he says, yes, counselor hood hood, Yes, counselor hood,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he says counselor, and there's another word at the end
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of that. And I've done some exhaustive research on this,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and I did find an article years ago. I couldn't
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: find it again. I did find an article where Troy
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: had remarried or had married and her last name was
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: now Hood, and it was something that was scrapped. They're like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: let's let's try it. No, we're gonna scrap it. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: so I tried doing a Google search on it. I've
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: tried looking up articles and I just can't. I need
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: somebody with a good ear to go back and listen
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to thirty nine twenty eight when she walks in and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: he goes, yes, counselor, hood hood. That's what it sounds
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like to me.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: So I always took it as the man is sitting
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: in his quarters crying by himself.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, counselors.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: And he's also but he's also the you know, he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the captain of the ship, and he is not supposed
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: to show his emotions to these people. And I always
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: took it that that's him struggling to maintain his military
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: bearing while wanting to just burst into tears, which he
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: does a few seconds later. And this right, So, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: don't know, I've never heard the the hood thing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's something, but I rewound it twenty times when
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I watched it Friday night. But you know, somebody out there,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: since I have this you know, vast million listener audience,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, you know somebody out there.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to talk about how the
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: pictures have like holographic reflective borders on them because they
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: can't just be thirty five millimeters photos. The future it's
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: the future, it's a future.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Pictures, you know, when they remaster this twenty years from now,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: those photos are going to like come three D out
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: of the Yeah, Wese Junior is gonna get hold.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Of this day. Yeah, we both says when you watch
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: with the closed captioning, it just as counselor Troy.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Correct, You're you're absolutely right, it does say just counselor Yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: because I've watched closed captioning on half a dozen different
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: media like DVD, Blu ray, streaming, so VHS.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, So while we're talking about this and and her
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: coming to see him and him being in the condition
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that he is, I just have to point out the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: implausibility and total impropriet tea of him receiving a death
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: notification via email, because that's that's what that was. That
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: was the bridge saying captainc. Cart you got an email, Okay,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I'll take it down here, and then he punches up
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: his email and he reads that his brother, his sister
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: in law, and his nephew have died in a tragic
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: fire at his home. His home burned to the ground,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and they send him an email to tell him that
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: that's awful, that's absolutely awful.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: In any from all states saying, hey.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: What's that did I don't think his sister in law
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: died in that fire.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: It's implied that they all died because he's the last.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Specifically says and Renee burned it death in.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: He I could be wrong, but either way.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: But that actress that played her recently past okay from
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: from the family, Yeah, she died, she died this week.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: But you know, realistically it would be you know, they
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: can't do it in person death not realistically. Death notifications
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: are done in person, right, I know, I know they're
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: out on a ship. They can't do it in person.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: The next best thing to in person would be a
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: real time communicate, base to face, real time communicate. So
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: it would either be an admiral telling Picard or an
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: admiral calling Riker and saying you have to give him
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: this news, or an admiral calling Troy and saying you
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: have to give him this news. But the idea that
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: he's going to get an email while he's on the
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: haul of deck, which is the equivalent of It's the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: equivalent of you're on the golf course and you get
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: an email telling me telling you that your family has
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: been decimating, your home burned to the ground.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: What the crap? Is that because in another movie with
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: another captain, he would have been joining Soren in his
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: hunt for the Nexus.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and is absolutely right. Yeah, that's ridiculous that he
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: got an email.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And rewatching the rewatching this years later. I'm you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I'm infinitely more familiar with the TNG legacy now than
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I was in nineteen ninety four when I watched. When
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I saw this movie in nineteen ninety four, I had
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: seen Uh, I hadn't seen all of the episodes, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the ones that I had I had seen once, maybe twice.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Now I've seen them all six or seven times. If
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the card was in the Nexus, and in the Nexus,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: you can go anywhere, whether it's real or fake or whatever.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: He's dreaming about a wife and children that never existed,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: that he never knew. But I think what would be
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: more realistic is if his time in the Nexus recreated
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: his life from the Inner Light. How how much more
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: powerful would that have been if Butti, his son Bti,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: who he raised, is there, and his wife is there,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: and his old friend but Tai and his grand child.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: The fact that you remember the son's name Warning Warning,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: NERD Alert.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: NERD Alert.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: How about the fact that buttie was played by uh yes,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: actual son.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Awell says they could have at least
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: sent a Federation telegram, And then I thought, why not
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: a singing telegram?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Here?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Your family is dead?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: No, that's great, Wow, somebody get that as a sound bite.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Your family is dead.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: So I also can't I also can't help when I
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: watched when I watched this movie, now, I can't help
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: but think how certain decisions probably wouldn't have been made
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: the same if they were making this movie today. There's
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: certain things that wouldn't be done. There's certain things that
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be said because people are so sensitive now about everything.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have my idea what I would do with
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: So Warfs WARF's promotion ceremony. Yeah, you're on an old
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: time sailing ship from the seventeen hundreds and you have
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: a black man in chains coming up from below.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: They would not film that today.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: They would not know.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: They would absolutely not film that today. No, and even later,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: when Picard says, one thing I've learned, never underestimate a Klingon. Yeah,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: that's that's that's like saying never underestimated of Puerto Rican. Yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: how does that play? When I say that right now.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: It's you know, this movie is only thirty thirty something
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: years old, and so much has changed since then. There's
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: so many things that they just wouldn't do it that
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: way anymore.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I also think the movie's got a if you were
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: gonna tell me, hey, I'm gonna make a movie with
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Captain McCard and Captain Kirk, and the main theme of
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the film is going to be regret, because everybody deals
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: with regret in this film, So that's the main theme.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: That's a weird theme to put those two in, if
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna pick, like it is, because I don't.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think of regret when I think of those
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: two characters.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Actually I do, I kind of. I kind of like
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: that because Kirk was warning Picard that, you know, hey,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: it's too late for me, but there's still time for
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: your go have a family. I never had a family,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: which was kind of weird because you look at the
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: two of them side by side, and I don't know
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: how close they are in age, but you know, Picard
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: looks older than Yeah, and he's saying, hey, Gil, you know, hey,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you know, go go have a family. Yeah, But I
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: think what would also have been more powerful? You know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: when Picard finds Kirk and he's hanging out in his
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: cabin with his dog and his ex girlfriend, it's some
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: chick we've never met, some chick you've never heard of. Again,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: how much more powerful would it have been if Carol
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Marcus was there and David was there. But David wasn't
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: thirty one years old or twenty nine years old away.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: David was six years old and he's still you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: imagine Captain Kirk telling Picard, I get to raise my son. Here.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I missed out on that, and here I can go back.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I can raise him. I could go back to the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: day he was born. I can redo all the mistakes
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that I made. Fuck you man, you you handle this
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: next bullshit. I'm gonna be right here with my wife
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and my kid.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: That's right hey to me.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: It's regrets both Kirk and Spot, Kirk and Spot. Both
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Kirk and Picards say they don't have regrets, but both
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: of them profoundly do have regrets the full.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Shit both shit.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, a waiting game. If Belichick can get
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a twenty five year old girl friend Paguard again too,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And yes.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: The waiting game. Generations is a Christmas movie?
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: For two reasons. Number one, it came out during the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Christmas season, and number two, it's got a Christmas scene
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: So that's right.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Since none of my family listen to this, I can
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: say that during the during our Christmas get together this year,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Generations will be a trivia question.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Oh nice, yep.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: It's also funny to see that, like just the changes
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: in our technology between then and now. Data's got this
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: emotion chip which increased in size from the series when
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: we saw a minute it was tiny in the series.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: But you know, nineteen nineties versus twenty twenties. Why is
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: it a chip? It's a software patch. Yeah, it's a
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: software patchy Why is there only one of them here?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: You know, Lore, you can have the patch too. We
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: each get the patch. We just downloaded twice.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: See at least in like Battlestar Galactical, they explain why
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: they don't do things wirelessly. You know.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: But man, uh, I kind of want to get into
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: my my pitch of what I would have done.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I think the audience would love to hear that. That's
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a very popular thing when you when you give your
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: alternative storyline pitch.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: They're popular. I think Scott likes him, But.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: How much is it gonna cost me?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It's free, it's free, all right, Yeah, yeah, one striple work.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right. So I think you can do a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: very similar beginning Kirk is on the Enterprise, I think
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: you can do. He's he's in the middle of an adventure.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's looking great and and he's you know, it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: a it's a bad scenario you pick out, you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: he's fighting the Klingons whatever it is, and and it
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: looks like the ship's about to go down. He's ready
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to go. And he's like, all right, well, if this
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: is the end, this is the end. And then you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the order to fire is done. Here comes the the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: you know, towards the Enterprise. And then he wakes up
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: and he's in his apartment. He's all alone, and and
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: he's you know, he's like clutching his chest. He's like, oh, okay,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm good. It was just a dream. That's okay,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: We're good. And the next morning he's, you know, he's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: leaving his house. He's on his way to meet with
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Scottie and and and check off and they're going to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the Fleet Museum and and they're talking about retirement and no, no, no,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: they're just on their way and and you know, uh,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: they're they're there to look give final approval. And so
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: when they get to the museum, they open up the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: door and there's a recreation of the of the bridge
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: of the Enterprise and and they're all, you know, these
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: guys are going through it. They're talking about, oh yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: this looks perfect, this matches up, and you know, Shatner
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: or Kirk is like, oh yeah, that should be a
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: red button, not a green one. Picking out little details
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: like you know, giving giving final approval of this of
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: this exhibit. And so they go to lunch and they
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: talk about, you know, what are you going to do
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: with your retirement and Kirk's like, I don't. I don't know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: like I feel just rallying around. I don't I don't
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: feel complete. And Scott he's like, well, you know, you
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: can come visit my family and come hang out. Maybe
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: we'll do something together and check out like yeah, oh,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: come see my family and we'll do this, and and
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: then Kirk just kind of wanders off alone and then
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: he gets to you know, just a park and he's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: kind of looking, kind of looking sad, and this guy
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: comes up to him and he goes, hey, I know
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you miss your time as Captain. I can give you
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: all of that. I can bring it all back and
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: you can be back on the Captain. You can be
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: back in your adventures, have a brand new adventures every day.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I just want you to do one thing for me.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And Kirk's like, I who are you? I don't believe you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: The guy snaps his fingers and this dog appears. He's like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: oh my god, it's my dog and it's Kirk's beloved
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: dog that passed away. And the guy snaps his fingers
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: again and goes away. It's a que right, it's Q.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: And and Q's like, all right, I can give you everything,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: but you got to do one thing for me, and
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: if you do it, then I will give you everything
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: you want. And Kurk's like, all right, well what do
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: you want? Q whispers something in his ears. Kirk looks
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: at him kind of like the He's like, that's one
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: that's impossible and two that's ridiculous. And he's like, but
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: will you do it? And Kurt's like, it's sure, doesn't
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: sound so bad sure, I'll do it, and Q goes great,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: snaps his fingers. Now, now Kirk is on the Enterprise
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: with Picard and they're looking at each other and Car's like,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: what the what the hell? And Kerk's like, yeah, where
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: am I? What's going on? And he realizes he's in
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: the future and uh and then Q snaps his fingers again,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and Kirk's back in his apartment and he's like, what
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: what just happened? Now we're back with Picard And Maccard
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: was like, what was that because he didn't see Q.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: He just saw Kurt. And the whole rest of the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: crew is like, I don't I don't know, but we
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: now see what they're up to. And they're like, uh,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: they're watching this planet. It's an M class planet that's
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: got like this ancient type civilization, like they're still in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the Stone Age and they're just watching them. Yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think you should stop the story here
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: and if anyone wants to know how it ends, they
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: head over to our Patreon or there you go, because
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I'm listing like this this good.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I know this movie?
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah okay, yeah, So so so they're watching the civilization
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: because that's that's what Pricard really likes, right, he likes
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: anthropology and sociology and stuff like that.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: So he's watching the planet and uh and uh Jordi
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and Data has said, hey, look, we came out with
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: these cool new drones. We can send them down to
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the planet. They won't be spotted by the people, and
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: we can get more, you know, closer shots of what's
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: going on as opposed to just big overhead and not
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: interfere with them and get you know, get soil samples
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: and learn more about the culture, you know, closer. And
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Recard's like, great, let's let's send that down there. So
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: he sends it down and you know, there's talk about
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: he's going to go to this this uh anthropology conference
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and he's trying to get uh, just artifacts to take
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to that. So then Q shows up and he's like, hey, Pricard,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I've got something planned for you and you have no
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: idea what it is. And he's just delighted, and the
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: cards like I don't have time for your games. Q
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: go away and he was like, don't worry, you'll see
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: and and goes away. So then Picard's at the conference
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and he's just walking around and he's he's doing his
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: conference stuff and then all of a sudden, Or Shatner
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: shows up. Uh, Kirk shows up and he's standing in
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: front of Kirk and he's like, you were on my
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: bridge the other day. What do you what are you
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: doing here? And and and Shatner's or Kirk's like, well, hey, uh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I met this man. He he told me he could
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: give me back my my enterprise and and uh, Picard
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: is is like, well, I have the enterprise now. You know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: you were an inspiration to me growing up. And so
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: they talk a little bit about what it means to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: be the captain of the enterprise and they're having a
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: nice little chat and uh and then finally it stops
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: and Kurk goes, you know, the man said I had
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: to do something. He's like, so, I'm sorry for this,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: but it would give me back my enterprise with me
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: back everything I miss And then he reaches over and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: he honks Picard's nose, just honks his nose like old
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: school Hong Kong. Then Q shows up and Q is
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: bent over, laughing his ass off. It's hilarious to him,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: and Kirk looks at him goes, so that was it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I get everything back now. And uh Q was like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, everything you want, yeah, y yeah.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And just as about he's about to snap his fingers,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: four other q's show up and they stop him and
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: they're like, qu, this is it. We've had it with you.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: You are in so much violation of what the cues
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: are supposed to do. And Pricarden and Kirk are like,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: what is going on? And basically qs are not supposed
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to interfere with anybody. They're just supposed to observe. They're
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: supposed to be watchers. That's why they're immortal. The reason
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: and that they can teleport and do everything like that
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: is just because they're supposed to be able to go
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: around and observe. They're not supposed to interfere at all.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: So so Q's like, well, hey, you know, I'm I'm
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: just having fun, like come on, And so the Council
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Q snap everybody back to the Enterprise and now they're
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: they're watching that civilization and Wrikers like, hey, while you
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: were gone, there's something going on with the core of
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: this planet. It's starting to depolarize and the planet is
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: going to break up, and so you know, we need
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to we need to back away and and you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Kirk or Cards like, yeah, we can't interfere because of
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the prime directive, and Kirk's like, but there's people down there, like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: we got to save the people. And so they they
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: have a debate about what does it matter, Like does
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the prime directive matter? What is the intention of it? Right,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: We're not supposed to interfere, or are we supposed to interfere?
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: So the QUES then take away all of ques powers,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: right because they also have non interference, so they take
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: away as power. And sorry, this is all kind of
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: like I just thought about this all last night. So
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: as as the planet then is starting to break up
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: more and more, it's now the magnetism of that of
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: that core has now trapped the Enterprise, and so basically
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: what you have a situation is the Enterprise is going
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to be slamming towards the planet just as it's breaking up,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: so simultaneously everyone will die on the planet. And it
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: looks like a giant rock is going to hit the
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Enterprise and kill it as well. So everyone's going to
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: die in the in the vicinity modern and the people
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: on the planet. So Data and Jority start working on
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: a solution. They come up with this device, and the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: device will basically re polarize the planet and keep it together,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: because you know, that's that's what they do is readjust
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: the polarity of things. So they're going to do that
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: to a giant planet, so why not. So so they
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: had the device and they decide they're going to send
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: down uh Data and an away team to go down
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: and fix it. So they have your your no name,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: theology are geologists and someone else, and so they go
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: flying down because because the problems with the planet, they
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: don't it doesn't allow for the transporter work, so they
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: have to take a shuttle craft. Well, as they're flying
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: the shell craft, the magnetism is such a problem it
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: takes over the shuttle craft and just dive bombs it
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: right into the planet and crashes. It's a horrific explosion.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And now we think Data is dead. We think everyone
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: on that shuttlecraft is dead, and we are screwed because
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: that was the only device, right while Jeordie's like, okay,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I can scrap together in an advice, but how do
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: we get down there? You know, we we can't transport down,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: We can't take a shuttle craft down. What are we
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: gonna do? So Q's like, He's like, well, I have
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: an idea. You have those smaller ships, the little worker
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: bees that they have, He's like, we can take one
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: of those down. They're smaller, right, that they shouldn't be
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: as impacted by the gravitational polls because they're lighter. And
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and then Preguard's like, well, who are we going to
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: send down there? It's a it's a suicide mission, you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: because we don't know who would survive if there was
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: a crash. But so, the one thing about Q is,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: even though he doesn't have any of his powers anymore,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: he still has his immortality. They basically put him on
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: a giant time out for five million years, right, So
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: so he has his immortality, but he doesn't have his powers.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: So Q says, let me be the one, Let me
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: go down, let me make this right. You know, you
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: know I give you a hard time, but I you know,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I do respect you. So I'm gonna fix this for you.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And so Kirk's like, you know, yeah, you got to
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: let him go. He's he's the only one, he's the
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: man for the mission. And the Card's like, no, we
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: got to do this. By the book, we can't send him.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: He's a lunatic. We never know if we can trust
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: him or not. And so they're debating, you know, go
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: with your instincts or go buy the book. And so
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: finally it doesn't matter. Q grabs a device and goes anyway.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: So so he's down there. He fixes it, he saves
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the planet. Q fixes it and saves the planet, and uh,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: and everyone's good. They find data. Oh, Data really didn't die.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: It was a fake out and uh, and so everything
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: is saved, and so the Council of Q show up
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and they go, all right, Q, you did show that
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: you're willing to learn, so we'll knock a million years
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: off your sentence. Uh you know, Kirk, Kirk, We're yeah,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I know right, Uh Kirk, we're gonna send you back
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to your time. But you know, Kirk goes, well, before
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I go, I just wanted to tell Pacard one thing,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: and Pacard goes, yeah, I know, I I you're right,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I should follow my instincts more, and or Kirk goes, no, no, no, no,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: it's not about following your instincts. So you need to
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: learn to have fun in that chair, enjoy this time,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: and p Guard goes, all right, you're right, and and
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: so snap, everything goes back, and now Percard has learned
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: a lesson to enjoy his time and also will give
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: you a reason why he's a little bit more emotional
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: in the movies compared to the show because now he's
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: willing to loosen up a little bit. So there you go.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Iay, okay, first of all, you're you're way too humble
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: to do this. I want you to do it. Anyways,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: go ahead and highlight those two those last two comments
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: from a waiting game and myself, how a Waiting Game says,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: how is it that Daniel can write a way better
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Star Trek movie than ever anybody at pair himount? And
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I said Dan was greater than percent of current Star
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Trek writers. Yeah that's true. Ye, both of those statements
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: are true.
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: So yeah, So.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: The theme would be, you know, instinct versus going by
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the book and everything. I mean, it needs to be
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: plushed out a little bit more. But but there's something there.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I would have so much fun. I'm not a writer
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination, but I would have
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: so much fun helping to develop the dialogue, yeah, between
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the characters, because as a you know, I'm not a
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: writer but as a huge Star Trek fan, I know
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: what some of these characters would say. It's kind of
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: a beef that I have with some of the novelists
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that I see that are they're obviously Star Trek fans,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: but they're not huge Star Trek fans, And sometimes you're like,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think Data would say it quite like that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I would have fun doing some of the Q dialogue
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: and the Data dialogue, Oh for sure. I think the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: three of us would have a blast writing writing that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: fan fiction.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it would be so much fun.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Or in alternate universe writing that actual movie script.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I think if you were going to keep the movie
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the way it is now, though, you needed to maybe
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: do a couple more touch points about the regret theme,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: like when when Wharf is coming out in chains in
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: the in the ship, you know, and they're celebrating. It's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: weird to have regret when they're all celebrating, but you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: could have done something where like he's got a headache,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: he's got a hangover, and he's like, oh, I partied
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: too much before this promotion celebration, So there's a subtle regret.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: There to regret the going.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just to keep that going.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some several reshots, and like the death
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: scene was redone Bevan Kirk. Originally he was just shot
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: by Soren and so they redid that. I don't know
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: that it was. I thought William shadd did good and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: the obviously he poured every bit of his shatner issness
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: into that. He did.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: He's all over this thing.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: But honestly, you know, everybody here knows, and most of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: us here are giant fans of the NCC one seven
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to one. So that was a It's always a sad
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: part to watch the Enterprise Saucer section go down on
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Verdian three. And I'd like to say this too, this
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety four, this is this is they they
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: made it in ninety three. They probably started playing this
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: particular shot in ninety two. Uh as as technically flawed
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: as it probably is to a trained die. I think
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: that is the best crash landing sequence of any sci
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: fi movie or show ever. I loved it. It was fantastic,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: especially for the time. You know, a lot of people
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: look at the crash landing sequence from Into Darkness and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that was so much more epic. No,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I love this. The saucer crash landing sequence.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: It was amazing, says captain on the bridge bridge in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: the Captain Yeah, yeah, all right, so.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Well, you know it makes it also made the end
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: of Picard season three. You know. I'm I'm I'm I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: thought about it while I was looking at at the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: at the Saucer section on Verdian three, you know, and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, Okay, I'm thinking about the future of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that Saucer section, you know, after after the the Farragut
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: and the other two tiny ships. I'm like, I look
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: at the end of the movie and I see the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: giant Farragut, which is a Nebula class, which is basically
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: just a squished Galaxy class. And then there was another
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: another ship, maybe a Miranda class. And then there was
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: a little tiny uh what I forgot what class ship
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: that is? What's like the tiniest little it's not in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: a Cure class. It's even smaller than that. It was
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: a little tiny It's a little V shaped, tiny tiny
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: ship that helped out It's like we're helping too people
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the old like forty people.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: But even back in nineteen ninety four, I remember thinking,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: all right, they can get that thing off the planet
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: and attach it to a new star drive section and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: the Enterprise is back in business. And you know, they
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: didn't do that, they did the Enterprise E. But then
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: you know, twenty five years later, what did they do
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: in Picard Season three? They did exactly that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So the difference is is if you crash a Corolla
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: versus sixty nine Camaro, do you bother fixing the Corolla?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: But if you crash and.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: That's very reliable, that's a very reliable car, I don't know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I would just dismiss it so quickly.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, if you if you total a Corolla,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna spend one hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: It depends, and it depends. Did Jordie drive a Corolla
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: for seven years and now he has his own and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: now he has his own body shop and he finds
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: his particular Corolla is there in the yard. That's the difference.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I guess it's the difference between you know,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the a DeLorean that that just sat in the in
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: a field that belonged to John Smith and a DeLorean
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: that was a production used DeLorean. You know one you go, now,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that's too far beyond repair. The other one, you go, yeah,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: we're gonna restore this. So they probably looked at the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Enterprise deams like, yeah, we're going to.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Restore this, while those says, why didn't they just eject
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: the core?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: There was a short the dialogue from Jordie said. They
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: delve into it a little bit more in the book.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: But the dialogue, Jordie says, we're five minutes away from
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: a warp card breach. There's nothing I can do. So
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Riker has to infer that if there's nothing he can do,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: that dejection system is offline. But yeah, they should be
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: able to eject it. They can never reject the core
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: when they want to.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: It's it's tricky that core.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also I read something I don't know,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: read it or something. You know, what would stop those
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: bridge consoles from exploding? Uh? Fuses?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, just you know.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Have to do Oh yeah, just take out one of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: those light bulb fuses and put another one in. You see,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: like little engineers walking around with little little fuses, you know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: just toggle the breaker. You see like Tom paris every
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: once in a while going underneath this console. Sorry breaker.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: He gets up, He walks to the corner of the bridge,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: he opens the panel. I got this, what what happened?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: No, we used to transporter and Janeway was drying her
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: hair at the same time.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Or you're an engineer, you're building the enterprise, you're building
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: the ship, and you're like, you know, we love these consoles,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: but for some sort of reason, grab a metric reas
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: they need to be heavier. What what should we put
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: in them? Should we add some let no, rocks, Let's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: add some rocks to weigh them down. We need to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: make them feel weighty a little bit.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: There is director's commentary on this. I didn't get a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: chance to see it. I plan on checking out the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: director's commentary for the next film. But there is a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: book I did. I did read the novelization on this
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a number of years ago, and they do delve into
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of things why they did things the way
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: they did.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: But oh, okay, very cool. U we should get the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: listener feedback because we already got Chazz was waiting and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: all that too, and we have had some questions, so
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: let's get to that.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: Let's listener feedback.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Before we get the Jazz was. I do have an
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: announcement to make for people. I haven't even told you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: guys yet. It's been a busy week. It was recently
• 1:07:15
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• 1:07:20
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• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: for our merch. But what that'll mean for you international
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: listeners is because right now in chop Teas most countries
• 1:07:35
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• 1:07:40
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• 1:07:42
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• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: you got a window if you still want to get
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: trek cast merch. Now is the time so.
• 1:07:52
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• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Do it, yes, and get it for the next few weeks.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: I don't have an exact date of when it was
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: going down, but they did say it'll be a few weeks.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: So you know, let's go out. Let's have chop Teas
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: go out with a bang. Let's get some of that merch.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you their T shirts. I have one other
• 1:08:11
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• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I wear. I'll just grab it and wear it and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: it has worn out.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Dam that's right. He wears it every day every day.
• 1:08:22
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• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Yeah, yeah, does is always like
• 1:08:32
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• 1:08:36
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• 1:08:43
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• 1:09:10
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• 1:09:11
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• 1:09:12
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• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Hi trek cast Tim in Australia again this week I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: turned fifty, Happy birthday. Of my birthday weekend events included
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: a showing of Star Trek six in glorious thirty five
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: millimeter at a local cinema. The only Trek movie I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: have never seen on the big screen, he says, section
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: thirty one doesn't count. I've seen it many times at home,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: but to complete the set on the big screen was satisfying.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Which one have you all seen in the cinema? I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: was also gifted a custom lego model of the USS Defiant.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: It includes ten ds, nine characters made up of only
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: four lego pieces each. See if you can identify who
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: is who left right? So he sends in some pictures
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: and the So the lego characters are not They're not
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: typical lego characters. They're just made up of the tiny pieces.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: So each character is only three or four tiny pieces,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and you can tell by their color scheme who they are.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: So that's a really cool set. So yeah, thanks Tim,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: appreciate you send it in an email. Awesome And I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: he has only seen the next generation movies in the theater.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I just in nineteen ninety one when Star Trek six
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: came out I had just started watching the show, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I was vaguely I wasn't even sure what the difference
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: was between Next Generation the original series. I you know so,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: but yeah, Generations was my first Star Trek movie going experience.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I've only seen the Kelvin movies in the theater.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Really, I'm all over the place. I saw two Star Trek,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: two Star Trek, three Star Treks six Generations, first Contact,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Nemesis or Insurrection, then Nemesis, then the first two Calvin's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: the last one I didn't bother. Oh wow, And I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: did see section thirty one in the theater. I brought
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: my phone to the theater and I sat in the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: back row and I watched it.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: There you go. There, I did not do that. No,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: all right, well let's let's bring in jazz Viz. There
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: he is, Jazzviz. Which what Star Trek movies have you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: seen the theater?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: Uh Ratha, con Voyage, Home, Star Trek three and then Nemesis.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's a big jump there, we're.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, because the other ones and all of them.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: The only one I've seen, like first run, like you know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: opening weekend was probably Nemesis.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: Of course, you know, con was you know, it was
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: a baby, So I can.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: See that one, but the others it's hard to They
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: don't replay the older.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Ones much, you know, no, they don't.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 8: They like they always play Ratha con mm hm, but
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: they don't play Underscovered Country.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: They'll have motion Picture occasionally.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: But I find that one so boring.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: There's no way my wife would ever go to a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: Star Trek.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: Movie begin with me. I sure that so, and.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: Star Trek was at five. They'll probably never have that
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: one into the theater because everybody hates that one.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Probably not, and you know the.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: It was at the next Gen movies like three is
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: the only one I've ever seen the movie theater so far,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: you know, like.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: Or actually, no, hold on? Did I see Start Trick three?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: Which one? I said?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: Nemesis? And what's the the board going?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Tell my god?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: Why did go planks?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: First Contact? Yeah?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah? First Contact?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: Seeing that?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: Now, next see Generations. The problem with Generations is you
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: almost have to see the show to understand.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: What the hell is going on in Generation.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: Because there's so much call back to it.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I was offered to go watch First Contact in the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: theaters with some friends in high school, but I was like,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go with you nerds to watch that film.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: Well, back then you got you got called names. That's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: right on the first run.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 8: So you had to keep your status or you're getting
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: you know, yeah, you had to stay in the closet back.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Then, absolutely lit absolutely like Star Trek.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like Star Treks is pretty hot.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like the Star Trek back then, so
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. I wasn't in the closet. I was like nah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't give even to start Trek the much much
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: later buddy, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: Angel one, that was the one that got me.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: So okay, Star Trek Scouts is what got me. Man,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: that show is life changing. How are we gonna stop
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: the booger comment, Well, we'll figure it out, dance like what.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Star Trek Scouts.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Patrick's Oh geez, stop Dan.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Dan does not like that show. Uh so, Jasmin's what
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: did you think of? Oh no, did Chasmins freeze?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: He frozen? Oh no, oh well.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: Hold on, I'm back. Okay, I'm back, and everybody started spinning.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: Now he had to flip the breaker on the bridge similarity,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: that's like, what's going on?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: What did you think of generations.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 8: I I think they should have never killed Kirk with
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: a bridge. So that's how I full generations.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder if that was symbolic.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the bridge killed him because you know he die
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: on the bridge.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: They definitely that.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: Was like kind of a joke, I guess.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: A fun question. Uh, what do you think of all
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: these starting AI music videos that have been popping up recently?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Oh? My god, the one.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: I haven't Yeah, I haven't seen any of that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen those, but I've seen I've seen Michael
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Jackson ringing register at Walmart. I've seen Martin Luther King
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Junior doing stand up. Uh, it's it's out of control.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably with every video.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: So the only one that I've seen that actually made
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: me laugh was it was a a cleon ed commercial,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: the clean on sitting at the edge of the bed.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: He goes, did you fail to bring honor into the bedroom?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 7: Oh god, was he wearing a scant no?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: No? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the only one that Okay,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: that was kind of funny.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: The runner should be like a sad drooping bat left
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: the background. Yeah.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Because there's so much stuff that I see people reposting
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: and they think it's real.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: They think, well, and people posting real things and other
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: people going, this might.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Be AI, that's going to be the problem.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I found myself I was count you know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I found myself saying out loud yesterday going through some
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: videos and TikTok and stuff like that, I'm like, that's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: gotta be AI. That's gotta be A. That's gotta be A.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Like is that cat, you know, attacking that anaconda real?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: It looks kind of real. It feels like it's an
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: old geno. But I don't know. So I just don't
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: trust anything, you know.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: The things I saw people were making to like to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: prove that this is going to be a problem was
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: like they were using like they had created like the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: KKKA handing out free food at like some mission or
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, you know, and like because there's people
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: and it looks like it, it looks real, you know,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look like stop.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: So I was telling my wife yesterday, I said, someone
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: could make a video of Donald Trump eating babies. Yeah, people,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: and there are people who see see I.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Know he's terrible.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Look at eating these.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Video yeah either way yea or or Kamala Harris, a
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: Or yeah, any politician, Yeah, throw in there and something,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: or you could to have like somebody saying like something
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: like a racial slur and like there you go, let's
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: get him out and it's a fake video.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Well, hey, here's the thing. You know, there are people,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: there are people who insist that Sarah Palin said I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: can see Russia from my house. She never said it,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: she never, she never said it. It was an s
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: n L skit and it was someone portraying her saying that.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: But there are people that are that are dumb enough
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: that just they remember it that way, and and and
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: it's going to be that to the nth degree because
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: now I watched the video I watched, I watched her
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: say it, and they did watch her say it.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: And one of the big problems now is so easy.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I was watching an episode of Blue Bloods a couple
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: days ago, and this episode came out in like twenty eight,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen, and in the episode they had
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: the main character Tom Selleck, who plays a police commissioner.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: They had a video of him saying, I support whatever
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: thing he would never support in the show. And it
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: was it was. They didn't even call it deep fake.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: They called it something else. And they're like, well, with
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: the right computers and the right type of computer programmer,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: can they can make this happen? And it's like I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: can do that now, yeah, OI, And I don't know
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: squad about computers or AI or anything. I can just
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: ask the hey, can you make Tom Selleck a racist?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: You know? And the chat GBT or whatever video whatever
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: can do it. It's the ease in which people can
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: do it now. So now this technology is in the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: hands of dumb people, right.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: One of the things they've been using or yeah, one
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: of the things they've been using AI for is like
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: when they dub a show or a movie to another country,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: they can now digitally go in and change the mouth
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: of the actors. So you don't get that like old
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: school kung fu, like, oh it's all right, where the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: mouth doesn't match. Now the mouth can match. But you
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: can now use that technology. Let's say, in a politician
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: change their mouth movements, use AI to change their voice,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: put their voice in right based off of so many
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: hours of speeches, so it'll sound just like them, and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: you can have them say whatever you want and then
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: people can fire that off. It's actual footage of them,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: but it's been so digitally altered it's hard to prove
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: that it's been digitally altered.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Right. The only good that can come from this AI stuff.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: The only good is that someday i'll soon, I think,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: is I'll be able to watch Star Trek Generations written
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: by Daniel Reyes.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: So I was gonna tell you, Scott, I forgot to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: make a chat. But there was a recent an episode
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: of the podcast I listened to called The Town, so
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: it's about Hollywood and all the latest goings. But one
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: of the recent episodes they interviewed a company that is
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: making what you've been talking about, where you can just
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: go in and type in, hey, I want to see
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Fast and the Furious in Jurassic part together as they
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: save Sesame Street, and it'll, you know, put it all together.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: And what they were talking about is, yes, we've created
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: this technology, but part of what you need to do
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: is make it profitable. And one of the ways they
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: want to do that is, let's say you go watch
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: the latest Star Trek movie, right, so you come home,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: you're all excited about it, but now you want to
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: make your own sequel. Well, if you want to use
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: the new characters, you have to pay for the new
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: digital pack to add those characters into your make believe stories.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: And that's how they could be profitable.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Right yeah, right, But it's also they you know, this
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: company is going You're going to pay this company getting
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: a licensing agreement from Paramount to use these characters.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's gonna be a nightmare, and it.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Is gonna be a nightmare. And it's you know, it's
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be stuff in the background of that user
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: agreement where if if your prompts creates something really good
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: doesn't belong to you, No it does not, they can
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: sell it to you know, the algorithm is gonna tell
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: them which other users would probably like this, and it's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: going to go and it's going to go in the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, the downloadable content areas.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: So you're people that are going in law school right now,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: you want to make you want to become rich, get
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: start researching this kind of law, because it's going to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: be I think someone in the group earlier this week,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: I had just for fun, I had a conversation with
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: chat GBT and uh. Together we came up with a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: scene that was it was a it was a hearing
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: uh that happened just after Voyager got back. And it
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: was the Admiralty uh wanting to get down, get get
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: uh figure out what happened with the whole Tuovik situation.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: And and I had it. The Janeway was there, like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Admiral and Ni cheev An Admiral uh Paris was there
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and they just had a conversation with Janeway was there,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Tuvak was there, Neelix was on a monitor uh there
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: and and they just went back and forth like trying
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: to try to get down to like you know, what happened.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: And I thought it was the way that I. In fact,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I even had a conversation with chat GBT about the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: ethics of storytelling and using AI and I came up
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: with the analogy of in in in in television, you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: see the credits and it'll say story by a certain
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: individual and then screenplay by or written by Sometimes somebody
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: comes up with an idea and then somebody else writes
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: the actual dialogue, right, And that's how I saw myself.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I came up with the idea, I let chat GBT
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: come up with the write the actual dialogue.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: So I read your I read your scene, and one
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: of the things that that disappointed me is that Janeway
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: did not have any legal representation, because those accused of
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: murder are entitled to representation. Again, yeah, and that's when
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: when being questioned by the government.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. No, you're absolutely right. And that's something
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: you can add because when when it first wrote it,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I was very specific about certain like the dialogue was
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: chat gbt's, but every idea within the dialogue, like when
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: when Neelix interjects, because I said, I want Neelix to
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: be the one who's a little wishy washy in this.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I want him to have a little bit of regret.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I want Tuvac to be the one that absolutely one
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: hundred percent agrees I want Neelix to go. You know,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad how things turned out, but yeah,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I kind of agree that this. It was crappy situation,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: and I wanted and I wanted more a more adversarial
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: relationship between Janeway and the Admiralty, you know. And oh
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: the doctor was there too, and and and I I
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: told chat GBT, I want you to have I want
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: the doctor to be an observer at first, but then
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: get pulled into this against his will, like he wants
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: to defend the captain, but he also has to tell
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: the truth about the scene where he says, I refuse
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: to do this procedure and then Captain Janeway says, stand aside.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: So every every element within the dialogue was my idea,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: but the dialogue itself was done by chat gbt so
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: and all boys. You know, it all comes down to, like,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the legality of it. Like hell, even the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: fact that I posted it. You know, it's now out
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: there on on a on a platform, on a Facebook
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: platform that is, you know, watched by people that look
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: at this show. You know. So I yeah, I'm in
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: any of my own lawyers. Well, no offense.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: We we should uh, we should be wrapping up because
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: we were going really long.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew this is gonna go long too.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 8: So Dan that that Frangie head that that you gotta
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: be careful when you do that when you go really
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 8: slowly up.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, there can I before we leave? And I
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: just mentioned one more time about the cons coming up.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, go for it.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: So Grand Rapids Comic Con November fourteenth or the sixteenth.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I will be there on the fifteenth all day. We've
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: got Alice Creege creege as I hate pronounce her name
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: from oh Creek Alice Kreigh. Malcolm McDowell is going to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: be there, Bobby Clark, he was the guy in the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Gorn suit for the Kirk Gorn fight in the original series.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: And Peter Weller from Into.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Darkness I could.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Right right, So I'm sure that's gonna be kind of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: an interesting, interesting convention. The following weekend is Star Trek Chicago.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: This is gonna be the big one. I'm going to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: be there the whole weekend. This is gonna be November
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: twenty second and the twenty third, that Saturday and Sundaygo
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: huh like that Chicago Chicago pizza there? Yeah?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Oh you gotta go down to the to the to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: the beef.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Where did we have pizza?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the place.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Anthony Rapp is going to be there, Lieutenant
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Stammets Bonding, Gordon the ship's computer from Prodigy, Brent Spiner,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: you know who he is. Celia Gooding, who are from
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Strange New Worlds, Christina Chong Lawn from Strange New Worlds,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Sarrock Lofton Jake Cisco, Doug Jones who played Saru, Gabrielle
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Ruez Teelin from Lower Decks, Gates McFadden, Doctor Crusher, Jerry
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Ryan seven of nine. They're gonna have some other scientific
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: like doctor just Stay six. She's an astro physicist. Jonathan
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: del Arco, who played Hugh. We have a doctor Live Green.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: She's an astrophysicist. Uh n Now visitor who played Kira.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Admiral Nichayev is going to be there. Uh just Tim
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Russ uh Todd's Todd Stashwick, Captain Shaw uh Tricia d Fazzio,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Captain's girlfriend girlfriend. Okay, William Shatner is going to be there.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: William is going to be there.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Uh he Well, want to know. We're still listening to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: con I am, I am.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: If you're going to be in the Chicago are I
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: have already been contacted by one person nice to do
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: a meet up. We're gonna do a meet up Saturday night.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be at the restaurant that's attached to
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: the convention Center. I'm staying there. Uh So it's at
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: the it's at the I'll have to look that up again.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: But they have they have a place right.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: At the Yeah, you'll put it in the group people,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I'll put it.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: In the group chat.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Then I got these. I got these cold snakers. Yeah,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna be anybody who who asks for one
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: at the convention, I'll be handing these out. Come up
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: and ask for a sticker, and I will be handing
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: these out. Love to do a meet up?
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Awesome?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: Are you driving or flying?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I'm driving. Chicago's about the outermost limit of where i'll
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: drive to. Yeah, two and a half hours.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: That's not bad.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: That's really not bad for awesome.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks everybody for listening. We'll catch you next time
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: as we continue reviewing the next gen movies.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: All right, bye, right, yea.
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