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Morgan Starts A New Podcast Just To Complain (Paul and Morgan) · Rachel Oates

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  Hey everyone, welcome back to my channel and welcome to my
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  parents house. I'm staying here for a couple of
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  weeks while I'm in the process of buying a house basically and
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  going through all that crazy grown up stuff.
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  So if you see me recording here for a little while I have to
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  thank my parents. The only issue is they're a
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  little bit on the older side and hard of hearing so they have the
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  TV on very loud during the day so I'm always having to film at
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  night. So it's currently 11:00 PM here,
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  and let's just get into today's video.
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  So Morgan of Paula Morgan is back with a new podcast called
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  Unbuckled, in which Morgan and her friend sit in his car,
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  screech for a little while and judge people.
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  Today we're going to watch a couple of clips from the first
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  of three episodes that they've currently released and just have
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  a talk about it. Is this podcast the worst thing
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  on the Internet right now? No, absolutely not.
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  Is it horribly serious and terrible?
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  And you know, they're awful people for doing this.
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  No, absolutely not. Morgan has done a lot worse than
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  make this podcast. However, it interests me.
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  And I have things I want to say in response to a few of their
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  claims and opinions and some of the misinformation that they put
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  forward. And sometimes we just need to
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  have a little giggle at something a bit ridiculous.
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  So that's what we're going to do today.
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  First of all, if you're unfamiliar with Paul and Morgan,
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  may I direct you to my absolutely ridiculousness of the
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  top 7 hour long video, The Saga of Paul and Morgan, which goes
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  through the last nine years of their YouTube channel from its
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  inception to today and all the eras of content they've gone
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  through. For those of you though who have
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  more important things to do with your life than I did when I was
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  making that video, Paul and Morgan are to give you a very
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  brief summary, A fundy couple who've been making content
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  online like I said, for about the last nine years.
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  And they are known for being quite offensive, not very well
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  liked, not having a very happy marriage that they are more than
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  happy to put on display online at all times.
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  And just, that's a lot. Where do I even stop?
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  There are some people, trolls who are always like Paul is
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  always making Morgan talk about her past.
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  It's disgusting. He should be ashamed.
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  You're no better, Paul. That you were a virgin and she
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  wasn't my holder. And this is.
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  You need to treat your wife like she is a delicate vase.
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  That is hard for me to do. Let's not beat her on the Bush.
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  We voted for Trump. You don't fall asleep all.
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  I wish we did. I'd like to go to bed snuggling.
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  Hey, no, no, no, we're not putting this.
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  In the we need to work on this. You just act like I never all
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  marriages take hard stinking work.
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  Just confusion to a new level. You can't be they then people.
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  You can't. I'm sorry.
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  Pick one or the other at least. Could we not have said that
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  about slave owners? Could we not have said cut that
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  out? This is about slave owners
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  rights. Yeah.
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  I don't like when they lump like anyone that's in opposition to
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  their lifestyle as these hater jerks hated and love it.
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  What are you going to do, haters?
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  It's a great day. I'm pumped, I'm pumped.
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  I feel terrible. Right now.
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  I just don't really want to be processing this on camera, OK?
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  Knowing that we have a million haters who are going to make
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  stupid videos about this. Well, us and her marriage and
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  Morgan's sitting here all. Blah blah blah.
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  Well, yeah. Do you generally find them quite
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  unlikable? However, I did find when I was
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  making that massive long video and I watched, no joke, hundreds
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  of hours of their content, too many, it sent me a little bit
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  insane. But I found that the time when I
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  found Morgan the most likeable was when she last went through
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  her vlogging era and she was covering a lot of her fertility
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  journey and her pregnancy journey.
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  And like I say, it was one of the few times I found her quite
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  likeable on camera. I found her not necessarily
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  personally relatable, but I can see why other people would find
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  her relatable. And I felt that she was actually
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  at that time making good content that others would be helped by.
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  I felt there was some value in it.
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  I felt she was doing some really good things.
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  However, I cannot say the same for this latest podcast.
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  Unbuckled are videos hosted by Morgan and her friend Caroline,
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  who goes by the nickname Carl. And I have to say there is a
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  slight bit of like weird hypocrisy here because Paul and
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  Morgan absolutely detest trans people and often in their
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  videos, especially Morgan, she has refused to call trans people
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  by their real names, often dead naming them, and she often
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  refuses to use people's proper and correct pronouns.
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  So for example, she will often refer to trans women as he and
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  him. However, Paul and Morgan are
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  more than happy to call their female friend Carl.
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  They have given their sons the middle names Grace and Love,
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  which are, you know, not exactly traditionally masculine names.
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  Grace traditionally is quite a feminine name.
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  So they're, they're happy to like bend these gender norms
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  and, you know, go against what's expected and not be traditional
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  in that sense. However, when other people do it
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  because that's their identity and who they are, they're not
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  willing to accept that and I find it a little hypocritical
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  and it's something I've always kind of wondered and questioned
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  about. I find it a little little
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  interesting why they do that. But anyway, at present there are
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  three episodes of Unbuckled Out with thumbnails looking like
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  they time travelled from a decade ago.
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  Episode 1, which we are going to be watching and responding to
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  today, is Welcome to the Fan, which is, you know, nice and
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  vague. You go girls tell us nothing.
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  Episodes two and three I'm hoping to cover in future videos
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  and episode 2 is high rise panty girls in a low rise jeans world
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  because nothing says I'm a good modest Christian who judges
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  other women and calls them slutty for what they wear.
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  Like describing yourself as a panty girl and attempting to
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  click bait your underwear to get views.
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  Interesting choice there. And episode 3 is titled respect
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  your eldest son, which shows us the importance of punctuation.
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  Should it be the son respecting his elders?
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  You know it's in respect your elders comma son.
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  Or should we be respecting the son of our elder, which would be
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  respect your elder apostrophe S son.
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  But as it stands, respect your eldest son means nothing.
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  Who knows what they meant? I mean, maybe it was when we
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  watched the video, but I'm not ready for that yet.
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  I need a break after doing this. OK, Am I being extra snarky
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  today? Probably yes.
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  Do I apologise for that? No, Morgan is known for reacting
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  badly to criticisms of her and Paul.
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  And I do get it. It is very, very difficult to
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  hear criticisms about yourself online, especially on the scale
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  that Paul and more can get them, because there's a lot from a lot
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  of different people. They get criticisms from those
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  atheists, they get criticisms from other Christians, they get
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  it from all over the place. And, and part of me does have
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  simply sympathy for them. And when I made that massive
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  long video about them, I did find myself empathising a little
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  bit more because, you know, I saw, I don't know, maybe just
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  because I, I engrossed myself in so much of their life for so
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  long when I was making that video.
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  And but I do feel like at this point now I've had a bit of
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  distance, I feel like I would have more sympathy for them if,
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  one, the criticisms of them weren't because they'd spent so
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  much of their time over the last decade being racist, homophobic,
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  transphobic, and cruel to other people online.
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  And two, if Morgan tried to actually respond to the
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  criticisms with reasoned responses rather than just
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  calling everyone names like dumbos and dummies as she often
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  does and saying that her critics just live in their grandma's
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  basement all the time. I know there's an irony of me
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  signing my parents living room right now saying that, but here
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  we are. In my defence, I just lost my
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  daughter, my dog, and I'm going through a big transitional
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  period of buying a house and all sorts.
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  And then I'm very lucky to have like them here as a safety net
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  right now. And well, I'm well, I'm sorting
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  myself out, you know. Anyway, my point is, I would
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  have more respect for Morgan if she was like, I've heard people
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  say XY and Z about me and I disagree because of AB and C
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  reasons. Or even if she was just like,
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  I've heard this stuff, I'm not going to comment.
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  It doesn't bother me. Whatever you think what you
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  think instead of what she does. But she's just like, oh boy,
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  these dumbos online is saying things about me again.
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  It's like, you know, I digs you will live in your mom's basement
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  and you're stupid and dumb. I can't do impressions.
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  I'm tired and I'm too old for this.
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  Listen, I'm freaking on my period and I've about had it
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  with the big freaking idiots online.
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  I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, Lauren, calm me down.
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  But no, literally, if you're getting your information from
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  Reddit, maybe just shut it. Maybe just keep your mouth shut.
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  You literally know nothing and you sound so stupid when you get
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  online acting like you have all the information.
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  You sound so stupid and you look stupid too.
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  You guys only have the information that Paul and I put
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  out online. We hardly ever speak about
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  certain things and it's for a reason.
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  You guys don't need all the details.
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  You dumbos Redditors don't need all the details.
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  But like, I don't know why I even bother sharing that
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  information because it doesn't matter.
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  I could tell you that Paul was actually a multi millionaire and
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  you guys want to believe it because you guys just want to
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  keep thinking that my husband's a loser and he doesn't provide
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  for the family. Because you guys love you
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  thrive. You thrive on people failing.
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  You thrive on people not doing well in life.
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  You thrive on and the idea that there's a woman out there
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  suffering and an abusive marriage.
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  You love that storyline. You just love it.
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  And so anywho, just here to tell you, you guys are a bunch of
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  idiots. And I don't feel sorry for
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  saying that. I literally don't.
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  So for the people who are going to message me and be like, this
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  isn't very Christ like, no, no, there's no get on Reddit and see
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  the things those people are saying.
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  I actually don't save your brain cells.
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  You know, like when you're drunk and you can't stop laughing at
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  stupid stuff with your friends that wouldn't be funny in any
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  other context. And you're like, Oh my God, this
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  would this would actually make the best podcast ever.
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  People would find us hilarious. And then you sober up in the
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  morning and you're like, oh, no, I'm not actually that funny or
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  charismatic and I don't actually have anything of value to say.
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  Well, Morgan and Carl did that, except they weren't drunk to
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  start with and they still haven't sobered up now.
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  So here they are, monetizing their friendship as unbuckled
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  the podcast. Let's take a look at episode
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  one, just. Result just when you're ready.
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  Can I get 2 medium sprites? Well that's our forever clip.
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  Cheers. For some reason this is what
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  they decide to open every episode with.
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  I would say they have the sense of humour of Colleen Hoover,
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  where they think clumsy equals quirky equals interesting, and
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  the reality is that's just not a thing.
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  A little marketing advice, which I should probably follow myself
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  to be honest. Let's be real here and open your
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  video with something that will grab your audience's attention
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  for being interesting or eliciting an emotional response.
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  Some people like to maybe put small highlight here as a here's
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  what's coming up sort of thing. Or maybe you want to start with
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  an intro that tells you something about yourselves and
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  your personalities or what you hope to achieve with the
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  podcast, Something like that, Something that really sets the
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  tone. I don't think this intro does
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  that. All I get from this is great.
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  I'm going to be watching this low quality video where they
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  just keep mistakes in and these people have no personality other
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  than, you know, thinking altering lemonade is the
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  highlight of their day. That's what I get from this
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  intro. It doesn't make me want to watch
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  more. Welcome to On a Buckled.
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  A little on hand. And a lot honest.
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  Oh man. I will just say as an autistic
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  woman, the high pitched squealing in this video is a
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  sensory nightmare for me. I often refer to it as like
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  screeching and squealing, but however you describe it, it
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  bothered me. It took me so long to just watch
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  this video while I was researching and making my script
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  for this because it was. It was just a lot.
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  The squealing was too much. Kept time to take little breaks.
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  As you can see, we're in a van. My mom van.
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  My my van. Not my mom's fan.
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  Yes, it is your. But yeah, this whole intro bit
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  here is giving kind of like teenage girl who says things
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  like I'm so random in her MSN bio and then you actually have a
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  conversation with her and the whole thing is just like where
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  you up to you and I'm a dinosaur lol.
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  And that's like the only thing I ever say or have going for them.
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  I honestly just feel too old to be watching this nonsense.
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  Like who is this even for? Who is their target audience?
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  Who is watching? Well, not many people are
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  watching it, but who do they expect to watch this?
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  Because adult women like myself won't relate to this because of
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  how immature they are. But kids and teens won't relate
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  to this because of their subject matter.
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  They talk about their vaginas a lot and sex with their husbands
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  and childbirth and being a mother.
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  So they talk and act like teenagers and children.
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  But the subject matter isn't for teenagers, teenagers and
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  children. So there's a real mismatch in
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  tones and content going on here. And like I say, I just, I don't
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  know who would be watching this. Teen mums and child brides
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  maybe. I mean, as target audiences go,
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  maybe not an ideal one. Because once a month, me and
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  Carl meet up. That's Carl.
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  I'm Morgan. Yeah, we don't introduce
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  ourselves. Should we introduce ourselves?
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  I'm Morgan. And I'm Caroline.
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  There we go. OK, Carl.
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  Yes. Just another hint for Morgan
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  here and for Carl, sometimes it can help to plan out what you're
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  going to say in a video before you film it.
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  For example, if you're making a podcast, you could do a brief
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  outline of here's how we're going to introduce ourselves,
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  here's how we're going to summarise the podcast, Here's
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  our first topic, here's our second topic, here's what we're
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  going to say in the outro, and so on.
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  So for example, when I make a YouTube video, I write a script.
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  I talk about all my points. I often write like I'm going to
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  say this and this and this, I referenced the clips I'm going
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  to be reacting to and so on. When you just go into something
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  completely unplanned like this and you have no idea what's
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  going on, unless you have a lot of practise and you kind of need
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  that spontaneity for whatever reason, it can just come across
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  as like really unprofessional, as it does in Morgan and Carl's
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  video. A little planning would go a
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  long way to making them not look so unorganised and
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  unprofessional, and a little structure might make this more
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  interesting as a podcast. So ladies, because I'm a
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  assuming that's our audience, we decided when we meet up we just
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  have some juicy girly combos and we're like so good, why not
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  bring some other ladies into this?
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  We're talking about how motherhood and wifehood have
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  made us these really mature women.
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  So mature. So mature it's crazy, but then
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  we get together and we're just like 2 girls.
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  Girly girl. Girls with all the girl talk.
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  And it's a great time. Question all the mature ladies
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  in the room with us now. Why have I never seen evidence
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  of Morgan being mature ever? I know she's a mom, I know she's
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  a wife, but that doesn't automatically equal maturity.
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  I've never like yeah, she's posted some parenting videos and
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  she seems vaguely capable. That's fine.
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  But I've never seen any evidence of like, emotional maturity or
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  like being able to handle things.
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  Well, you know, I don't know. It's.
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  Like every time we're talking, we're just like, wow.
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  That we are so. Funny.
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  Why did we not record that? Like, that was just so funny and
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  so wise, you know? No, we're.
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  Literally so smart. Honestly, I wrote that drunk
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  podcast comment early before I'd watched this far into the video.
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  But why was I hang on? OK, guys.
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  Well, Carl, yeah, can I just say.
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  Yes you can, please. Do say that this ambulance
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  driving past us right now, God bless them.
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  Be safe. I hope and pray truly that the
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  person in there is safe. But can you turn the sirens off?
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  No, really, sometimes I do feel like it's a bit unnecessary and
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  I'm sure when we blow up and this podcast is super big, I'll
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  get hate for that, but you know, we can calm it down a little
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  bit. Oh, I'm.
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  Sorry that a life threatening emergency interrupted your
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  unplanned podcast in a car. What a tragedy.
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  Honestly this could all have been edited out.
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  It wasn't necessary, it just it's unnecessary.
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  And again, it looks unprofessional.
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  It looks unorganised. There's a degree where you want
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  things in your videos to feel real and friendly and like
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  you're just having a chat with a friend.
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  Like I sometimes leave in rambles and go off on tangents
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  because I'm like, it feels like a nice way to connect with the
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  audience and it feels like something real that I'd say if I
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  was like chatting with a friend in a coffee shop.
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  It's not kind of the vibe I like in my videos, you know, I don't
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  need things like like I'm not in a studio.
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  I don't want to pretend I'm in a studio.
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  I don't want to pretend that this is like a highly produced
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  TV show or something like that. It's not.
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  I'm literally just a woman in a house having a chat with someone
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  and like, you know, you guys answer me back in the comments,
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  you know, and I like that. I think you can get that level
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  of like that kind of homemade quality without it being
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  unprofessional. You know, there's, there's
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  different degrees of stuff. I feel like there's certain
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  things that just like don't need to stay in there.
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  For example, siren sounds. You know, I used to live next to
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  a busy main road in Leeds and we would have sirens of vehicles
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  going past all the time, big heavy trucks that would rumble
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  constantly. There was a work site down the
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  road so you sometimes get big noises and that makes us going
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  fast. We'd get an ambulances, police
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  cars, fire engines all hours of the day.
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  And when that happened and I was filming, I just take a pause or
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  let them go past and then continue because that's what you
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  do. You guys don't need to hear
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  that. That doesn't really add to
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  anything. But I have to say this whole
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  thing of like, leaving the siren in there, complaining about it,
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  complaining about ambulances, like existing.
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  And then they go off on this whole tangent about how like
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  they have conspiracy theories about ambulances and how they're
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  not really doing it. Like if I didn't know Morgan
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  before, this would really make me dislike her so.
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  Editing me just jumping in here quickly because I do feel like
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  that's kind of too harsh at this point a little bit, or maybe I
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  didn't make myself clear enough. Because I feel like my issue
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  because I feel like. My issue isn't so much like that
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  they left in an unwanted sound or a mistake or something like
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  that, because I feel like in a way that's kind of part of the
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  charm of YouTube videos or this is something I like.
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  Like if I want something super polished and professional and
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  overly produced, I'm going to go to TV or a film or something.
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  But I want that kind of homemade.
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  Quality that is a little bit. Imperfect at times when I'm
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  watching YouTube. I like the homemade feel and I
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  don't mind people making mistakes.
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  I don't mind when they leave in. Editing errors or trip over
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  their words, or, you know, background noises or anything
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  that doesn't actually bother me that much, so I.
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  Feel like I may be. Expressed myself wrong here.
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  My issues with Morgan and Carl in this particular part of the
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  clip is minor compared to what we're coming up to in the rest
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  of the video, but mostly just I don't think there's any need to.
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  Be critical. Of ambulances in general or
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  people who work in emergency services because the work they
• 20:24
  do is invaluable and I don't think it's fair to critique them
• 20:28
  like this and screech about them and how terrible they are.
• 20:31
  More than like make jokes about them.
• 20:33
  Like it just feels unnecessary, there's no need for it.
• 20:37
  And secondly. I think what?
• 20:40
  Bothered me was less like about them leaving in a mistake and
• 20:44
  more just like the fact that they're so boring and they have
• 20:48
  so little to talk about that they made a whole.
• 20:51
  Quarter of their. Podcast being them complaining
• 20:53
  about an ambulance. Do you know what I mean?
• 20:55
  It's just like, find something to say.
• 20:59
  You know, the irony that I'm now making a video talking about
• 21:03
  them talking about that. I know, I know.
• 21:07
  But my point is like it's boring.
• 21:08
  Like if you'd actually planned out your podcast and had some
• 21:12
  interesting things to talk about, you wouldn't have needed
• 21:14
  to have this. You wouldn't have needed to
• 21:15
  leave this in to. Path, the running time, you
• 21:18
  could have just cut all this because it's unnecessary and
• 21:20
  it's boring. And that's my main criticism.
• 21:23
  Not that they left in a mistake or something unwanted or
• 21:25
  whatever. It's that it's boring.
• 21:28
  That's what I think I'm trying to say.
• 21:30
  I don't know. I'm very tired at the moment.
• 21:32
  If you can't tell, life is hard right now.
• 21:37
  Have you all ever driven behind an EMS and they're like flying,
• 21:40
  but like, they're just like laughing in the back?
• 21:42
  I've seen that. I've literally seen it through
• 21:44
  the window of the EMS and I'm like OK.
• 21:47
  So Morgan's conspiracy is that people who are in ambulance, I
• 21:51
  just haven't, are just having a party.
• 21:54
  No, I'm kidding. I wasn't going to focus this
• 21:56
  video on like giving the marketing advice, but here we
• 21:58
  are. I guess for those of you who
• 21:59
  don't know, I used to work in digital marketing and I'm far
• 22:01
  better at advising others than I am about applying it to myself.
• 22:04
  I find it very hard to kind of view myself as a brand.
• 22:08
  It's tough. Anyway, let's move on.
• 22:12
  So my week has been I've slept terrible every single night and
• 22:18
  I do not sleep bad. Do you sleep bad?
• 22:22
  Last night actually was a very bad night and I feel like I have
• 22:25
  to be honest about that. But for the most part, no.
• 22:27
  I'm I sleep pretty OK. OK.
• 22:29
  I'm like a rock solid sleeper. Like my head hits that pillow
• 22:34
  and I am gone. Don't come trying to talk to me
• 22:38
  or you know anything like I'm. Out.
• 22:41
  It's certainly fair. I don't know who would be trying
• 22:43
  to talk to. My husband.
• 22:46
  Wow, guys. Wow.
• 22:49
  Top quality content. I can see why you couldn't wait
• 22:52
  to share this with the world. What a unique and illuminating
• 22:56
  perspective. I feel so inspired right now.
• 23:02
  Yeah, we are now 7 minutes into a 29 minute podcast that is 1/4
• 23:06
  of the way through and so far we've had nothing really.
• 23:08
  We've learnt Morgan is moving house, Morgan hasn't slept well.
• 23:11
  They don't like ambulances and they think this is super
• 23:14
  interesting content that people are going to want to come back
• 23:16
  for every month. It took you 7 minutes to say all
• 23:19
  that? I know why ramble but come on
• 23:22
  this was the longest 7 minutes of my life watching this.
• 23:24
  Entire week leading up to Friday, us telling the landlord
• 23:27
  it was still kind of like back and forth, like we weren't 100%
• 23:30
  sure. Why are you laughing?
• 23:36
  What? What is this?
• 23:37
  I was. Thinking about not laughing,
• 23:40
  that's crazy. No, but there's a scars going
• 23:43
  fine. As they are, they are.
• 23:48
  I'm sorry guys, should be second to recover.
• 23:52
  OK. Are you collected?
• 23:54
  I'm collected now. I don't get it.
• 23:59
  I am re going into that's not the right phrase but that's what
• 24:03
  I'm saying. Go for it, my sourdough journey.
• 24:06
  Congratulations. Yes, thank you.
• 24:08
  Like, I love baking as much as the next person, but there is
• 24:11
  only so much I can continue to hear about sourdough without
• 24:14
  wanting to punch my own eardrums.
• 24:16
  Why is it that people who get into making sourdough make it
• 24:19
  their whole? Make it their whole personality?
• 24:21
  Like, yeah, it tastes good. I like bacon as well.
• 24:25
  Bacon's good. I don't need to listen to
• 24:27
  someone talk about sourdough for 20 minutes when they're just
• 24:29
  repeating the same things I've heard for a few other people.
• 24:32
  Oh, I love sourdough. Oh, my start is doing OK.
• 24:36
  Oh, I need to give my start a more flour.
• 24:39
  Oh, I bake sourdough and give it to my friends.
• 24:41
  Look, I wrapped it in some fabric.
• 24:45
  Look, I wrapped it in a brown paper bag.
• 24:48
  Look, like if you're going to talk about sourdough, tell me
• 24:51
  something new for once, please. I'm so I'm sure there are great
• 24:56
  sourdough creators out there. Morgan and Carl are not in that
• 24:59
  category. Now the question though, is are
• 25:02
  you going to use freshly milled flour?
• 25:03
  Oh my gosh. So annoying.
• 25:05
  No, no. Was she saying it like this on
• 25:08
  purpose? Because this is all I could
• 25:09
  hear. Carl, Carl, Carl that kills
• 25:13
  people. They then spend several minutes
• 25:16
  talking about flour and bugs and bugs in flour.
• 25:20
  There's also a lot of misinformation in all this.
• 25:24
  Yeah, again, this could have all been cooked.
• 25:27
  But it was this woman who has like a one of those grain mill
• 25:31
  things. I don't know.
• 25:31
  Oh, I know what you're talking. About and there were bugs in it.
• 25:35
  Oh my, I could. But that wasn't the mill, that
• 25:38
  was the grain. I don't speak like cane berries.
• 25:41
  They were there. You know what I mean?
• 25:44
  Like enough. It's like enough.
• 25:46
  Like I understand why people, why you do what you do.
• 25:50
  I do. It's supposed to be so much
• 25:52
  better flower, but like I I just, I would rather not see my
• 25:58
  bugs in my flower, you know? OK, I don't have bugs in my
• 26:01
  flower, thank you very much. And you can buy a store bought
• 26:04
  bag of flour and there could be bugs in there.
• 26:07
  Well, yeah, but I'm not going to see them, you know what I mean?
• 26:09
  You would see them. Oh.
• 26:10
  I don't think I would. Why would you see them in the
• 26:12
  wheat berries but not in the? Store because I feel like the
• 26:15
  wheat berries are more organic like in the it's like more of a
• 26:18
  like an opportunity for other organic life.
• 26:21
  I actually felt myself getting stupider at this part.
• 26:24
  We are at 14 1/2 minutes into the podcast and they finally
• 26:28
  decide to get to the meat of this episode of the podcast and
• 26:31
  talk about crazy takes in life. I thought they were going to do
• 26:34
  like one each at this point, but they don't.
• 26:36
  Only call gets a crazy take and this is what it is.
• 26:40
  OK, so the crazy take of the week is not my crazy take.
• 26:44
  Is that crazy take I have been seeing swirling and twirling
• 26:47
  around online and it is that getting pregnant or being
• 26:52
  pregnant, just having babies in general in this time period, in
• 26:57
  this day and age in which we live is selfish.
• 27:02
  And I, from what I understand from this argument, is that it
• 27:08
  is selfish because we just live in such horrible times.
• 27:11
  Like there's the climate crisis and all the politicians that are
• 27:17
  horrible and just like wars and things.
• 27:21
  And I don't know, I just think that that's a pretty crazy take.
• 27:25
  What do you think that's? A crazy take.
• 27:27
  All right, I got to tell you, you brought a good one today.
• 27:32
  No, it's insane. I actually saw a clip of this
• 27:35
  clipped and posted online, which is what made me want to respond
• 27:38
  to this podcast in the 1st place.
• 27:40
  And because I heard this and I had thoughts.
• 27:43
  So many thoughts. Now a context if you're new here
• 27:46
  and you don't know me. Hi my name is Rachel and I am a
• 27:49
  child free woman. I never want to have children
• 27:51
  myself but I am by no means an anti natalist.
• 27:54
  I completely support other people if they want to have kids
• 27:57
  and they choose to have kids and I don't actively believe that
• 28:00
  people should stop having kids. I also, I guess it's kind of
• 28:04
  like an extra dimension to my child free nurse because it is
• 28:08
  very likely that I wouldn't be able to have kids myself and I
• 28:11
  have a lot of uterus issues and some cervix issues, which means
• 28:15
  that conceiving would potentially be very difficult
• 28:18
  for me. And if I did, the whole process
• 28:20
  of growing a baby and giving birth to it could potentially
• 28:24
  kill me. So for me, it just feels like my
• 28:27
  body and my mind are very aligned and I don't mind that,
• 28:31
  but that's kind of like an extra dimension in to my experience
• 28:35
  around this conversation. I don't know what I'm trying to
• 28:39
  say. I'm not I'm it's so late at
• 28:40
  night, I'm rambling. I'm tired.
• 28:43
  I am I'm nearly 33. I am too old to be filming in
• 28:47
  the middle of the night. But here we are.
• 28:48
  This is my life for now. So one of the things that really
• 28:52
  bothered me a lot about this clip was that Carl put things
• 28:54
  like climate crisis, corrupt politicians and so on in these
• 28:58
  quotation marks because can we not?
• 29:01
  These are very real things to be concerned about.
• 29:03
  These are things that absolutely will affect you and any children
• 29:06
  you do decide to have. And I do believe these are
• 29:09
  things you should be thinking about before you bring a child
• 29:11
  into this world, especially things like the climate crisis.
• 29:14
  I have less of an issue with the choice to have children or not
• 29:18
  being labelled as selfish or not selfish because I think if you
• 29:23
  do decide to have children for a reason that it's selfish, that
• 29:26
  is OK. It's OK.
• 29:28
  Well, for me in my mind, it's not exactly selfish.
• 29:31
  It's self focused. And I think it's OK for people
• 29:33
  to be self focused sometimes. So for example, if a person
• 29:36
  says, hey, I really want to have kids because I personally want
• 29:39
  to have the opportunity to raise a little person and make their
• 29:42
  life amazing, I think that's a self focused reason and there's
• 29:46
  nothing wrong with that. Who am I to say a person
• 29:48
  shouldn't do that or that it's it's selfish or not like it just
• 29:52
  it's fine you go for it, I support you.
• 29:54
  The big issue that I really have is with Carl and Morgan's
• 29:56
  dismissal of big issues like climate change which will affect
• 30:00
  future generations and is something people should be
• 30:02
  thinking about for all. Some people like to disagree me
• 30:05
  and disagree with me in the comments.
• 30:06
  I do think we have a big problem in the world at the minute with
• 30:10
  overpopulation, with overconsumption, with creating
• 30:13
  too much waste, with overuse of non non renewable energy sources
• 30:18
  and I think that is something we do need to think about and we do
• 30:21
  need to be concerned with. You know, I, I remember seeing
• 30:26
  like, what are they called, like neonatalists or something like.
• 30:29
  Oh, I have no idea. It's like, that's probably not
• 30:32
  the word, but it's something natalists that like they, they
• 30:35
  wish that they had not been born.
• 30:37
  So what they mean here is not neonatalists or anything like
• 30:41
  that. What they mean is what they're
• 30:44
  referring to is antenatalists and and how they describe it is
• 30:48
  a big, big oversimplification is a big, big oversimplification of
• 30:52
  what anti natalists actually believe.
• 30:55
  And this is where I think a little bit of simple planning
• 30:58
  ahead of filming so that they can do their research and get
• 31:00
  their thoughts together before the camera turns on would have
• 31:03
  been useful. So they're not spreading
• 31:04
  misinformation in this way. And basically anti natalism is a
• 31:08
  philosophical judgement if you will, and a viewpoint, an
• 31:11
  ideology that states that procreation is ultimately
• 31:14
  unethical. This can look different in
• 31:16
  practise for different people, and there are different
• 31:18
  viewpoints within the antenatalist kind of umbrella,
• 31:22
  if you will. So on a purely theoretical
• 31:24
  basis, antenatalist might often argue about things like how
• 31:27
  babies cannot consent to being born or being brought into this
• 31:30
  world in the 1st place, how they themselves didn't consent to it,
• 31:34
  and how life how life inevitably leads to suffering in one way or
• 31:38
  another. So it's unethical to bring new
• 31:40
  life into the world and therefore into suffering and so
• 31:43
  on. But on a practical level, how
• 31:45
  they express this might be that some anti teenage list choose to
• 31:48
  never have children themselves, some choose to argue that no
• 31:51
  other people should ever have children themselves, some say
• 31:54
  that they won't have children themselves but they will
• 31:56
  actively take steps to improve the life of those who are
• 31:58
  already living by adopting or fostering children and so on.
• 32:02
  There's again, many, many facets to this.
• 32:05
  It's far more complex than I could cover in one small second
• 32:08
  of one small video. And as I'm not an Anthony Nate
• 32:10
  list myself, I'm probably not the best person to be speaking
• 32:13
  about this. I'd recommend you go and listen
• 32:14
  to Anthony Nate Lists themselves to get their points of view.
• 32:17
  And I've left a book written by 1 Anthony Nate list down in the
• 32:21
  sources and further reading for this video if you want to check
• 32:23
  it out. And I'm going to be quoting from
• 32:25
  it later. So put a pin in this, we'll come
• 32:26
  back to it. They wish that they had not been
• 32:29
  born and they're like mad at their mom for having them and
• 32:33
  like. And crazy wild.
• 32:36
  Literally it's. Insane.
• 32:38
  Yeah it does sound crazy since you just made it up.
• 32:43
  That's not how the majority of anti naturists think.
• 32:46
  This is the epitome of a straw man fallacy.
• 32:49
  And they think that like, it's selfish to have kids.
• 32:52
  Yeah. So I have heard of this take
• 32:54
  before and it is crazy and it is the dumbest take in the
• 32:58
  universe. And listen as a mom.
• 33:01
  Yes. As mothers, we understand the
• 33:06
  fears that come with having children.
• 33:08
  Yeah, no matter what day and age we're in, whether it's 2026 or
• 33:16
  200 AD, No BC or AD. Yeah, either one either.
• 33:22
  Yeah, it's really old place. So they're just grossing over
• 33:27
  any claims of selfishness and calling them crazy instead of
• 33:29
  providing any counter argument and assuming people worry about
• 33:33
  that simply because they're scared of having kids.
• 33:36
  This is a complete nonsense argument right here.
• 33:39
  Because that's not it. That's not the antenatalist
• 33:42
  position. Antenatalists are not scared of
• 33:44
  having kids themselves. Instead it's more of a
• 33:47
  philosophical position where they think it is immoral to
• 33:51
  create new life when it cannot consent to being created.
• 33:55
  They think it's immoral to bring a child into the world that is
• 33:58
  so filled with pain and suffering that that inevitably
• 34:01
  that child will end up suffering, will end up in pain.
• 34:05
  They think it's immoral to bring a child into the world who will,
• 34:08
  who will inevitably contribute to more environmental damage and
• 34:13
  destruction to the planet and or bring more pain and suffer
• 34:16
  offering to others and so on. It's not about them.
• 34:19
  Oh, I'm scared to raise a baby that that's not the Anthony
• 34:21
  Nicholas position at all. It's a position about the ethics
• 34:25
  of bringing children into this world, not about an individual
• 34:28
  being scared or not. And again, it's much more
• 34:30
  complicated than I can possibly express in this one video.
• 34:33
  There's so many more facets to it than I've mentioned so far,
• 34:36
  but it's not at all as Morgan and Carl are presenting it.
• 34:42
  But. But but what imagine?
• 34:45
  Can you just imagine if Mary, beautiful Mother?
• 34:49
  Mary had said. Sorry, Jesus.
• 34:51
  This. Sorry, Angel.
• 34:53
  Yeah. I can't be doing that because
• 34:55
  we're living in crazy times, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:57
  Living. Under Roman occupation.
• 34:59
  And yeah, like, that would be so stupid and so dumb.
• 35:03
  Again I'm so tired of Morgan's only counter arguments to
• 35:06
  anything being that's so stupid. That's so dumb.
• 35:09
  And may if you really believe that Mary gave birth to Jesus
• 35:12
  like the Bible says then she didn't exactly have a choice in
• 35:14
  it did she? Even if maybe even if Mary was
• 35:17
  an anti natalist she wouldn't have had a choice but to birth
• 35:20
  Jesus or not if it really happened as the Bible says.
• 35:23
  So your whole point makes no sense.
• 35:26
  But either way this reminds me of the anti choice argument of
• 35:30
  but what if the embryo aborted would grow up to cure cancer?
• 35:33
  That's why abortion is wrong. OK, and what if the embryo that
• 35:37
  was aborted grew up to be the next Hitler and commit genocide
• 35:40
  of 1,000,000? Does that certainly make
• 35:41
  abortion right? No, that's not a solid argument
• 35:45
  for why abortion should or should not be allowed, just as
• 35:48
  it's not a solid argument for why or why not someone should or
• 35:50
  shouldn't be an anti natalist. We can't actually know the
• 35:55
  future for sure. All we can do is use our best
• 35:57
  judgement to do what we think is the best for us and the people
• 36:00
  around us in the moment. And for some people, choosing
• 36:04
  not to have kids themselves is really what they truly believe
• 36:07
  is the best thing to do. I don't see why someone saying
• 36:11
  I'm going to weigh up all my options and choose to do the one
• 36:13
  thing that I think will minimise the amount of harm caused to
• 36:16
  others is in any way dumb. Just because that's not a
• 36:19
  conclusion you'd come to in your situation, or because that's not
• 36:24
  a choice you would make in your situation, that doesn't mean
• 36:27
  that their choice in their situation or their conclusion in
• 36:30
  their situation is dumb. So yeah, this idea that we
• 36:34
  should that itself, First of all, why the heck is it selfish?
• 36:38
  Because it is the most selfless job in the universe.
• 36:42
  Name another job. It can't be done.
• 36:46
  Literally, it can't be done of being a mother.
• 36:49
  It cannot. You cannot tell me that there's
• 36:52
  another. No.
• 36:53
  I think the fact that they're even asking this shows that
• 36:55
  they've not bothered to all to engage with the people they're
• 36:57
  arguing against because they don't even know what they're
• 37:00
  arguing against. Again, I'll reiterate, some
• 37:03
  people think it's selfish or unethical and to not have kids
• 37:07
  because they worry about whole number of factors including but
• 37:10
  not limited to one, the lack of consent from the person being
• 37:13
  born. 2. That the person being born will
• 37:16
  inevitably suffer in some way. Three, that the person being
• 37:19
  born will inevitably contribute to the planet's destruction.
• 37:22
  Four, that the person being born will inevitably cause suffering
• 37:25
  to others in some way. Five, that the negative and
• 37:28
  destructive consequences of bringing the child into this
• 37:30
  world outweigh the positive and constructive consequences of
• 37:34
  bringing a child into this world on average.
• 37:36
  And so on. If you want to argue against one
• 37:39
  or more of these points, then please, Morgan Carl, go ahead.
• 37:43
  It would make a much more interesting video than just
• 37:46
  calling people stupid and screech laughing about it.
• 37:49
  Even I could argue against some of these points, you know, and
• 37:53
  you know, I could. So, for example, you could argue
• 37:55
  that when you bring a child into the world, you don't know what
• 37:58
  the actual long term consequences of this will be.
• 38:00
  And while there is a high chance that the child you bring into
• 38:02
  the world will contribute to damaging the environment, as we
• 38:05
  all do or increase human suffering in one way or another,
• 38:08
  there was also a chance that they might actually improve the
• 38:10
  environment or to help heal the environment.
• 38:13
  There's a chance they will help more people than they harm.
• 38:16
  So therefore, it could be argued that you can't actually make a
• 38:18
  judgement about whether bringing about whether bringing an
• 38:21
  individual child into this world will or will not be ethical
• 38:25
  until after it's happened. So you, you could argue against
• 38:28
  a position like that. That could be an interesting
• 38:31
  thing to discuss and have the back and forth about and be
• 38:33
  like, well, some people think this, then others think this and
• 38:35
  show that back and forth like, like I'm doing now, but do it in
• 38:39
  more detail. That would be way more
• 38:40
  interesting, but instead just being like, I'm going to build a
• 38:44
  straw man of what I think they think, but it's not what they
• 38:46
  actually think, but it's what I think they think and then tear
• 38:49
  it down by saying why do you think that?
• 38:52
  It's so stupid? It's not a compelling or
• 38:55
  interesting video or piece of content to me and it does
• 38:58
  nothing to convince me that you're in the right in any way.
• 39:02
  Like I say, I'm not an anti naturist, but I still think they
• 39:05
  have more compelling arguments than you do.
• 39:07
  And in in some ways with Morgan and Carl, I'm on your side like
• 39:12
  but anyway. Although also not because I
• 39:18
  would argue that the opposite of anti natalist is just to not be
• 39:23
  an anti natalist, but Morgan and Carl kind of go the opposite way
• 39:26
  and they're more like pro natalists.
• 39:28
  They think everyone should be having kids and so on.
• 39:30
  And so I'm not on that side. I'm rambling.
• 39:33
  Anyway now the argument that there is no one less selfish
• 39:39
  than a mother that they bring up, That is an interesting point
• 39:42
  to me. And once again I'm annoyed that
• 39:43
  they didn't go into more details with this because I think this
• 39:46
  is something worth debating. I do kind of want to hear their
• 39:48
  viewpoint on this. Why do they believe this?
• 39:50
  Give me some more details because on the one hand, I agree
• 39:53
  with them and I can totally see where they're coming from.
• 39:55
  Generally speaking, mothers are the ones to give birth to
• 39:58
  babies. I mean, not always.
• 40:00
  We have to acknowledge that trans men exist and they might
• 40:02
  not necessarily want to use the label of mother.
• 40:05
  We also have to acknowledge that there are different kinds of
• 40:07
  mothers are than the ones who give birth.
• 40:08
  So for example, adoptive mothers and so on.
• 40:12
  So we have to acknowledge that. But but just generally speaking,
• 40:14
  on average, mothers are the ones to give birth to a child.
• 40:17
  So they're the ones who are sacrificing their health and
• 40:19
  their body to bring a child into this world.
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  And whether you do agree with it or not, mothers do generally do
• 40:25
  the majority of the child care and that is a damn difficult
• 40:28
  job. And doing that is incredibly
• 40:30
  selfless and that should be celebrated.
• 40:32
  And I think that's something no one can deny.
• 40:36
  However, on the other hand, we have to ask what about the
• 40:38
  fathers? Because there are, because there
• 40:41
  absolutely are some fathers out there who do just as much, if
• 40:43
  not more of the parenting than the mothers.
• 40:45
  And you know, so we could just argue that it's not that being a
• 40:49
  mother is the most selfless, selfless thing in the world.
• 40:52
  It's that being a good parent is the most selfless thing in the
• 40:54
  world. You could make that counter
• 40:55
  argument or you could say, or you could argue that, you know,
• 41:01
  not all mothers are the most selfless people because what
• 41:03
  about mothers who hurt or because what about mothers who
• 41:10
  purposefully harm or neglect or abuse their children?
• 41:14
  They are, you know, undeniably being selfish and horrible.
• 41:18
  You can't say they're the most selfless people in the world.
• 41:20
  So I think there's nuances to this discussion, and it's
• 41:22
  something that could be interesting to talk about.
• 41:25
  The claim that mothers are the most selfless people in the
• 41:28
  world, that's the most selfless thing you can do, is a really
• 41:31
  interesting position. It's something that I would like
• 41:33
  to see debated. I think Absolutely, yeah.
• 41:36
  And then you can bring in arguments that maybe there are
• 41:38
  other jobs that are just as selfless, if not more selfless.
• 41:41
  So for example, I'm sure there are many arguments that could be
• 41:43
  made for the most selfless job being people who are full time
• 41:47
  carers, healthcare workers, like especially nurses, for example,
• 41:51
  nannies, firefighters and so on. You know, like they like
• 41:55
  firefighters risk their lives to save people and help them.
• 41:58
  There's an argument that they could have the most selfless job
• 42:00
  and so on. So again, I don't think it's as
• 42:03
  simple as what they're just screeching about.
• 42:05
  I think they make a potentially interesting point, but it's not
• 42:09
  explored in a way that I find interesting or useful or unique
• 42:14
  or just compelling in any way, you know?
• 42:17
  Next up, Carl makes a claim about who she believes are some
• 42:20
  of the most misogynistic people. And I'm just going to pause
• 42:23
  here, and I want you to go down in the comments and tell me who
• 42:26
  you think Carl thinks the most misogynistic people are.
• 42:29
  What group does Carl think of the most misogynist?
• 42:33
  Let me know down in the comments your guests and then watch this
• 42:37
  next clip. It might surprise you.
• 42:40
  Surprise me, I'll tell you that. I think what's crazy about this
• 42:44
  is that some of the most this is going to be crazy.
• 42:48
  Some of the most misogynistic people are these feminists, like
• 42:55
  because you can't really be like, Oh yeah, pro women.
• 42:59
  I'm all for women doing what they want and then be like,
• 43:02
  you're selfish to have a baby or like, you know, I'll see women
• 43:07
  like feminists in like the comment section of like moms
• 43:11
  post, you know, be like, this is a great, you know, ad for birth
• 43:14
  control or just like horrible, nasty things.
• 43:17
  And I'm like, you guys are actually some of the most
• 43:21
  misogynistic human beings on the face of the planet.
• 43:24
  It's the wild. So Carl believes that feminists
• 43:27
  are the most misogynistic people out there.
• 43:30
  Now I was really confused because why are you suddenly
• 43:32
  talking about feminists all of a sudden when you're discussing
• 43:34
  antenatalists? Feminists and antenatalists are
• 43:36
  not the same at all. Some feminists may be
• 43:39
  antenatalists, some antenatalists may be feminists,
• 43:42
  but but not all antenatalists are feminists, and not all
• 43:45
  feminists are antenatalists. Take myself for example.
• 43:48
  I would describe myself. I would describe myself as an
• 43:51
  intersectional feminist, but not an antenatalist.
• 43:54
  I do, however, agree with Carl that it is a bit mean and
• 43:57
  unnecessary to comment those things on people's posts.
• 44:00
  I am completely with her there and I support her.
• 44:02
  I'll be honest though, sometimes when I see posts about children
• 44:06
  or babies or whatever I do have those thoughts myself.
• 44:09
  I might see some snot covered crying child and be like Oh my
• 44:14
  God yes OK seeing this confirms that I never want one.
• 44:18
  Even things like when people post like happy things about
• 44:21
  like oh we had a day out of the zoo with the kids.
• 44:23
  I'm like oh God that's like my idea of hell.
• 44:26
  I love going to the zoo and I love that being me time alone
• 44:29
  where I can just take photos. The idea of having to do that
• 44:31
  with a kid confirms to me again that I never want 1.
• 44:34
  So I admit I do have those thoughts.
• 44:36
  However, I would never say that like in the comments or directly
• 44:40
  to a parent because that's just cruel for the sake of it.
• 44:43
  It's unnecessary. They don't need to know.
• 44:45
  I'm thinking that, you know, it's just, it's not, not
• 44:48
  necessary. So I completely agree with Carl
• 44:50
  here that it is cruel to say those things and it it doesn't
• 44:52
  need to happen. However, I don't understand why
• 44:55
  she's blaming feminists for it. It is not a feminist viewpoint
• 44:59
  that having kids is bad. Like it's not a feminist
• 45:03
  viewpoint that you need to leave mean comments on people's social
• 45:06
  media posts. That is not a feminist thing to
• 45:08
  do. That's just a mean person thing
• 45:10
  to do. Like I say, as a feminist
• 45:12
  myself, I always have been and always will be outspoken in my
• 45:16
  support of mothers, especially in terms of receipt and just
• 45:20
  people in general with kids receiving proper health care,
• 45:23
  proper social care, proper support, proper paid maternity
• 45:27
  leave and so on. I will always support a person's
• 45:29
  right to choose what happens to their body on whether they want
• 45:32
  to have kids or not. And I think every person should
• 45:35
  have full support of whatever they decide to do with their
• 45:38
  lives and their family situation and their bodies and so on.
• 45:41
  And I don't think that's an unusual viewpoint for a feminist
• 45:43
  to have. So many feminists are mothers
• 45:46
  themselves, you know, And I think that's a pretty common and
• 45:51
  obvious bit of knowledge. I, I don't know.
• 45:53
  I don't know. Anyway, I just don't get why
• 45:56
  Carl is equating some sort of like mean commenter on social
• 46:01
  media with misogynistic feminists and then equating them
• 46:05
  with antenatalists like it. It's all such a jumble of
• 46:08
  thoughts. She's angry at a lot of people
• 46:10
  and she's kind of putting them all in the same group with the
• 46:13
  same label. And you're like, no, they're
• 46:15
  not. They're not the same things at
• 46:17
  all. You know, I feels like another
• 46:19
  straw man fallacy going on here it.
• 46:22
  Takes so much mental gymnastics to get there.
• 46:26
  Like I still I don't even know how you.
• 46:28
  Get there. People have been having babies,
• 46:32
  obviously, since like the dawn of the beginning and like
• 46:36
  throughout all courses, like, like, when has there ever
• 46:40
  actually been a better time to have babies than now?
• 46:42
  Like with modern medicine, with sanitation, with like, access to
• 46:46
  like so much? And you're telling me that now
• 46:50
  is not as good a time to have a baby as like during, I don't
• 46:52
  know, the Cold War or the Great Depression?
• 46:55
  It's just crazy. Yeah, sure, absolutely.
• 46:58
  Some things are better than they've ever been, especially in
• 47:00
  regards to the healthcare we have today and things like our
• 47:03
  advances in medicine and treatments and so on.
• 47:05
  But this doesn't mean someone has to do something like have
• 47:08
  children if they don't want to. If someone offered me the best
• 47:10
  ice cream in the world but I just wasn't hungry, that doesn't
• 47:13
  mean I have to eat it. I can still turn it down and
• 47:15
  say, no, you're not going to be shoving ice cream forcefully
• 47:17
  into my mouth against my will, just like you're not going to be
• 47:20
  shoving babies forcefully into my uterus.
• 47:22
  Just because we have better medicine than we've had in the
• 47:25
  past, and just because we have things like good sanitation and
• 47:28
  healthcare, as they mentioned now in many parts of the world,
• 47:31
  that doesn't mean they're available in all parts of the
• 47:34
  world. I think Morgan and Carl struggle
• 47:36
  to think outside their own little bubble in their own
• 47:38
  little white, middle class part of America.
• 47:41
  I've spoken before about how disturbingly high the maternal
• 47:43
  mortality rate is for Black women in America.
• 47:46
  But it's not just America where it's a problem.
• 47:49
  Look at the mortality rates for women around the world.
• 47:51
  So the World Health Organisation tells us that every day in 2023
• 47:55
  / 700 women died from preventable causes related to
• 47:59
  pregnancy and childbirth. A maternal death occurred almost
• 48:02
  every two minutes in 2023, while the World Population Review
• 48:06
  listed the maternal mortality rates as being as high as 993
• 48:10
  deaths per 100,000 births in Nigeria and 748 deaths per
• 48:14
  100,000 in Chad. And a a lot of other countries
• 48:17
  saw similarly high rates. Just because it's better than
• 48:20
  ever in some parts of the world, that doesn't mean there's no
• 48:23
  risk for women in other parts of the world.
• 48:26
  And even in those parts of the world where you do have good
• 48:28
  health care, there's still massive risks.
• 48:30
  And again, I'll say it especially for black women
• 48:33
  because their pain is not taken seriously, they are not listened
• 48:36
  to by a lot of doctors and health professionals and they
• 48:39
  don't get the care they need and they end up suffering and dying
• 48:42
  because of it. And that's just absolutely not
• 48:45
  OK. It is absolutely, absolutely
• 48:47
  fine knowing this information for people to be worried and
• 48:51
  take this into consideration when deciding whether they want
• 48:53
  to have kids or not. Plus, do you really think
• 48:55
  there's people during the Cold War and Great Depression, as
• 48:58
  Carl says, and have a choice like we do today?
• 49:01
  Today we do have more access to contraceptives and abortion and
• 49:04
  so on. So people do have more of a
• 49:06
  choice than they ever did. Why not exercise that choice?
• 49:10
  I don't understand this viewpoint that just because
• 49:12
  people suffered in the past, we should suffer the same things
• 49:14
  today. And also, I don't mean to say or
• 49:16
  speak about this in a disrespectful way, but the first
• 49:19
  time Morgan gave birth, she nearly died.
• 49:23
  She was in real, real danger. And when she had her second kid,
• 49:27
  she was petrified. She knows how dangerous
• 49:31
  childbirth can be. She knows that there are major
• 49:33
  concerns. There's a reason she doesn't
• 49:35
  want to have another kid because especially with her ongoing
• 49:38
  health issues and stuff and what's happened in the past, she
• 49:41
  could die. She would be very likely to die
• 49:43
  if she has another kid. I don't want that for her.
• 49:46
  I'm pretty sure she doesn't want that for herself.
• 49:49
  She knows through these risks, so why wouldn't she consider
• 49:52
  that other people also worry about that?
• 49:54
  Like I said before, I have a lot of these uterus problems, which
• 49:59
  means that if I had a kid and I was pregnant, it could cause a
• 50:03
  hell of a lot of damage or potentially kill me.
• 50:05
  I already decided I didn't want kids before I found this out,
• 50:08
  but now knowing that this is happening to me, it's made me
• 50:11
  even more determined to never have them and to never be
• 50:15
  pregnant. You know what I mean?
• 50:15
  Because I don't want to put my life at risk like that.
• 50:19
  And I think that's a completely valid and OK take to have.
• 50:22
  I think when Morgan says she doesn't want to have any more
• 50:25
  kids because, you know, she is worried about health and stuff,
• 50:27
  that is a completely valid take to have.
• 50:30
  I just don't understand why she can't see that that's OK for
• 50:33
  other people, You know, I, I don't know.
• 50:36
  And it's such a chronically online take 2, like this is the
• 50:40
  take of women or people who are on their phone all the time and
• 50:46
  they like do not have real life experiences or encounters with
• 50:49
  anybody. I'm like, convinced.
• 50:50
  Yeah, that's so true. That's.
• 50:52
  So accurate. OK one pot kettle.
• 50:57
  You are saying that sat next to the woman who posts like 30
• 51:00
  Instagram stories a day and argues with strangers on Reddit
• 51:03
  constantly 2. Please explain this to me
• 51:06
  because I'm so confused by what you mean.
• 51:09
  How is someone saying something like I'm worried about the
• 51:11
  damage humans are doing to the environment so I don't want to
• 51:13
  have any kids who will contribute to the population
• 51:16
  increasing which may cause more environmental damage.
• 51:20
  How is that a chronically online take?
• 51:24
  I'm so confused. Cuz yeah, like name a person
• 51:26
  that we like talk to on a normal basis face to face come across
• 51:29
  and like they would have that view.
• 51:31
  Like I cannot think of a single. Person No.
• 51:33
  No, because it's insane. It's insane.
• 51:35
  Yeah, and you know what? I could say the opposite of
• 51:37
  this. Like 80% of my close friends in
• 51:39
  the real world are also child free people.
• 51:42
  And I think that's just because we as humans generally spend
• 51:45
  time with people who have the same values on lifestyles as us.
• 51:48
  That doesn't mean that antenatalists or child free
• 51:50
  people are chronically online. It just means that for Paul, for
• 51:54
  Paul and Morgan, God for Call and Morgan, they don't have a
• 51:56
  particularly diverse group of friends in that respect.
• 51:59
  You know, And you know what, neither do I, but at least I'm
• 52:01
  aware of it. And I'm not claiming that of all
• 52:04
  these people who just want to have kids and they want to pop
• 52:06
  out babies all the time, That's such a chronically online take.
• 52:10
  No, just because you only interact with people with a
• 52:13
  different viewpoint to you online, that doesn't mean they
• 52:17
  are chronically online, you know?
• 52:19
  And again, I'm sorry, but like with the amount Morgan posts and
• 52:23
  like how she's constantly reading subreddits about herself
• 52:26
  and comments about herself and stuff, like it feels a little
• 52:28
  hypocritical to complain about other people being chronically
• 52:31
  online when you're like, when you're there, Morgan, you know,
• 52:34
  I, you know. But also I think the other part
• 52:37
  of it that just like gets me is that they're talking about like,
• 52:40
  the reason why it's so bad to have a baby right now is because
• 52:43
  of all these like big horrible issues that are going on.
• 52:45
  And I'm like. There's always there's a
• 52:47
  horrible there. But that but then also like we
• 52:50
  are a resilient like species and we have babies in times of like
• 52:57
  chaos and in times of peace. But like this idea that not
• 53:01
  having children is like the best thing we can do is insane
• 53:04
  because if everyone were to just stop having kids, like we would
• 53:08
  die species. And I just think like that's so
• 53:13
  anti biological it's insane. Like, do you hate yourself?
• 53:17
  Ignoring the hating yourself comment here, that is the point.
• 53:21
  That is what some anti natalists want and believe.
• 53:25
  There is a book by David Benatar, the one I mentioned
• 53:27
  earlier, called Better to Have Never Been, which opens with a
• 53:30
  wonderfully succinct summary. Each one of us was harmed by
• 53:33
  being brought into existence. That harm is not negligible
• 53:36
  because the quality of even the best lives is very bad and
• 53:40
  considerably worse than most people recognise it to be.
• 53:42
  Although it is obviously too late to prevent our own
• 53:44
  existence, it is not too late to prevent the existence of future
• 53:48
  possible people. Creating new people is thus
• 53:51
  morally problematic, he goes on to write later in the book.
• 53:55
  The central idea of this book is that coming into existence is
• 53:58
  always serious harm, although the good things in life make it
• 54:02
  go better than it otherwise would have gone.
• 54:04
  One could not have been deprived of their absence if one had not
• 54:07
  existed. Those who never exist cannot be
• 54:10
  deprived. However, by coming into
• 54:12
  existence, one does suffer quite serious harms that could not
• 54:16
  have befallen one had one not come into existence.
• 54:20
  And This is why it's so important to listen to actual
• 54:22
  antenatalists and hear what they're saying instead of just
• 54:25
  making it up. Yeah.
• 54:26
  And yeah. While this isn't necessarily the
• 54:28
  view that I personally hold because, like I say, I'm pretty
• 54:30
  undecided, I absolutely see where he's coming from.
• 54:33
  And I understand that Saying it's insane.
• 54:36
  We would die, humans would die is an illogical response to this
• 54:40
  because in the views of many antenatalists, the
• 54:43
  discontinuation of the human race is the only way to prevent
• 54:47
  more suffering. That is essentially what they
• 54:49
  want. I guess what I'm saying is that
• 54:51
  if Carl wants to effectively respond to this, she should be
• 54:53
  arguing why she believes it's important for the human race to
• 54:56
  continue. Not just that it should.
• 54:58
  I guess to give you an analogy of where everyone's at in terms
• 55:01
  of this argument, let's say me, Carl and David are organising a
• 55:05
  party. David who who wrote the book and
• 55:08
  he says I want us to serve chocolate cake because XY and Z
• 55:13
  reasons and I don't think we should serve lemon cake because
• 55:16
  of AB and C reasons. And I say, well, yeah, I see
• 55:21
  your viewpoint. I could also argue against your
• 55:23
  viewpoint. I see the pros for lemon cake
• 55:26
  where you don't and I see the cons of chocolate cake where you
• 55:29
  don't. So, but I also, you know, I also
• 55:32
  see the pros of chocolate cake. So why don't we put out one
• 55:36
  chocolate cake and 1 lemon cake and we let people choose which
• 55:39
  cake they want to eat. And then Carl comes in and says,
• 55:42
  no, no, no, no, no, we should only serve lemon cake and we
• 55:45
  should force everyone at the party to have a size of the
• 55:47
  lemon cake because if we serve chocolate cake, that's really
• 55:51
  bad because it's chocolate. Are you stupid?
• 55:54
  And then she just leaves it there like.
• 55:55
  Really, truly. I think it goes back to what you
• 55:57
  were saying about like, I don't know what the term is, but you
• 55:59
  said neonatal. Yeah.
• 56:00
  Because people who are mad that they were porn and I'm like, OK,
• 56:04
  what do you want? I mean, what do you?
• 56:05
  Want sorry that you hate your life like those people are the
• 56:09
  saddest people in the universe because they literally like hate
• 56:12
  their lives. They hate that they're alive and
• 56:14
  that is so sad and like demonic. I mean, let's be real.
• 56:19
  But yeah, just to try and like make this take take that like a
• 56:26
  ginormous population believes is crazy.
• 56:28
  Yeah, and it absolutely is sad when people hate their own
• 56:30
  lives. However, that's not the reason
• 56:33
  people have for being antenatalists.
• 56:35
  They don't become antenatalists because they hate their own
• 56:37
  lives or because like Carla Morgan think they hate their
• 56:40
  mothers or something like that. And that's absolutely not why
• 56:43
  antenatalists think other people should be antenatalists either.
• 56:46
  Like, I can't believe I'm going to sit here in a video and
• 56:49
  defend a position that I don't even hold myself just because
• 56:53
  Morgan and Carl are misrepresenting it so
• 56:55
  completely. It's wild.
• 56:57
  It's. Crazy.
• 56:58
  Well, I think like, you know what, whatever, if you don't
• 57:01
  have kids, if you don't want to, blah, blah, blah.
• 57:03
  That's totally, that's sort of the new.
• 57:04
  I think what gets me is like getting on this like fake mind
• 57:09
  you, like moral high horse, you know, like you are doing so much
• 57:15
  for the population because you've decided you're not gonna
• 57:18
  have your future daughter and it's.
• 57:20
  Like and I'm kind of like honestly.
• 57:21
  Yes, because if you had a. Child.
• 57:23
  I'd be concerned for that kid, but.
• 57:25
  I mean, I mean. Well, I was about to
• 57:29
  congratulate her for being so accepting of child free people
• 57:31
  here and if not anti natalists, but then Morgan just had to go
• 57:35
  and ruin it all by being so completely nasty for for no
• 57:38
  reason. She is incredibly immature and
• 57:41
  just mean. And it's really hard when you're
• 57:44
  kind of like, again, when I made that massive 7 hour long video
• 57:48
  on Paul and Morgan, I didn't some ways feel myself rooting
• 57:51
  for them a bit because I saw this more human side of them.
• 57:53
  And I definitely saw a lot of Morgan's like vulnerabilities.
• 57:56
  And, and I, I saw her as more of a well-rounded person than I had
• 58:01
  done before as a part of me that wants to root for her and wants
• 58:04
  her to be happy and to be better and like, you know, to stop
• 58:08
  being so angry and miserable all the time.
• 58:09
  But then she's just so damn mean to so many people and she's so
• 58:14
  condescending and she's rude and it, it just makes it really hard
• 58:20
  to root for her when she's so nasty, you know?
• 58:23
  I will say, though, that I do think they're saying all of this
• 58:25
  stuff because they just simply don't understand the position
• 58:28
  they're arguing against. Like, well, like, I think that's
• 58:30
  been the whole point of this video, hasn't it?
• 58:32
  Like, I don't know how many more times I need to say it, to be
• 58:33
  honest. It's quite obvious now.
• 58:35
  They simply don't understand the position they're arguing
• 58:37
  against, so they can't make any compelling arguments against it.
• 58:41
  Anyway, the one last thing I want to cover is just this.
• 58:44
  Have you watched any of this Love is Blind this new season?
• 58:47
  OK, well, there's just this clip going around of so one of the
• 58:51
  contestants or people on it, Emma, she like really doesn't
• 58:54
  want to have kids or she's like struggling to know, like whether
• 58:57
  or not she does want them. And in a conversation she's
• 59:00
  having with her sister, her sister's talking about how, you
• 59:02
  know, she loves her kids, but if she could do it again, like she
• 59:04
  wouldn't have her kids. No.
• 59:07
  Yes. And she's saying this on like TV
• 59:11
  for everyone to see, including her kids one day when they grow
• 59:14
  up. And it's just like, no.
• 59:16
  It I'm sorry Morgan, but you cannot be shocked that some
• 59:19
  people to talk about their experiences online in this way.
• 59:22
  And you cannot be like disgusted and disturbed by this when this
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  was the content that you yourself decided to post online
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  and create in the first place in response to finding out you were
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  pregnant a second time. I was supposed to start my
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  period like 5 days ago and they put in and I was just like.
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  I could say the exact same thing to you.
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  Can you imagine your son growing up and seeing that?
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  Like, I can't believe you would be so shocked to other mothers
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  sharing their experience when you've done the exact same
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  thing. And just to be completely,
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  completely clear here, I do not blame Morgan at all for her
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  reaction here. She nearly died during
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  childbirth the first time, I'll say it again.
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  And she was understandably, when she got pregnant the second
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  time, terrified. That's completely
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  understandable. I think this reaction, it makes
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  sense. I would never judge her for
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  having this reaction. It is heartbreaking to see that
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  fear in her, to see those tears. Like you absolutely do feel for
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  her. But also, if she's going to
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  complain about mothers talking about their experience of like,
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  oh, you know what, this is something I regret about being a
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  mother or parenthood. If I had to make the choice
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  again, maybe I wouldn't do this differently or I wouldn't do
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  this or whatever. If she's going to complain about
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  mothers doing that, then you have to accept that some people
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  are going to say to you, well, how is your kid going to feel
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  growing up and seeing that this was your first response to
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  discovering their conception was your complete and utter
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  devastation. Like you, you could make these
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  same arguments, you could say the same thing.
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  It just, it just feels like a bit of hypocrisy from Morgan
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  here. She's shaming of the people when
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  she's done a very similar thing herself.
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  It's insane and I don't wanna invalidate a feeling of
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  whatever. I know that moms do struggle
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  with that. So I don't wanna be like, you're
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  horrible for thinking that, but you are wild to say that out
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  loud on national television. Like, that's something you need
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  to like, go talk to your friends about.
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  But anyways, I'll have to say. Again, Morgan, you, you can't
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  sit there all shocked and be like, don't say that.
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  That's crazy in you with all this stuff, when we've seen all
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  the stuff that you and Paul have posted online over the years in
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  the name of being what you would describe as real and raw.
• 1:02:21
  All your arguments, your tears, you're just pure misery all the
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  time. Like for you to be shocked at
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  other people posting stuff online and be like, you can't
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  say they're this crazy, but like with what you're posting, it
• 1:02:32
  just feels a bit hypocritical, you know, I don't, it's like she
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  lacks a lot of self-awareness. I don't know, I.
• 1:02:38
  Feel like that's just sad for those people who have those
• 1:02:40
  beliefs and like what a sad life you have clearly had to get to
• 1:02:45
  where you're at now. Again, do you realise people say
• 1:02:48
  that about you and and she gets so mad when people say that
• 1:02:51
  about her and yet she's here saying about other people.
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  I just, I don't know, annoys me a bit.
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  If you have the ability to get on your phone and record a video
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  about that, your life is not as bad as what you're talking
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  about. We're not as in dire straits as
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  what you think is going on. That's.
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  True. What a terrible terrible,
• 1:03:15
  terrible take. This reminds me a lot of the
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  people who say things to me like why you a feminist?
• 1:03:20
  What needs to you not have as an individual right now when my
• 1:03:24
  overall ideology of feminism is not based on my individual needs
• 1:03:29
  but on what I think is best for people as a whole.
• 1:03:31
  Like I speak out about things like FGM and trans rights and
• 1:03:35
  having access to abortion, not because those things affect me
• 1:03:38
  personally, but because I think calling out and standing up for
• 1:03:42
  those things respectively will make the quality of life better
• 1:03:46
  for people, will make the quality of life better for
• 1:03:48
  people overall. I don't see how a person being
• 1:03:51
  allowed a public platform to say, hey, we're destroying our
• 1:03:54
  planet right now means we're not actually destroying our planet.
• 1:03:57
  Like, that's a silly, silly thing to say.
• 1:04:00
  And then the video or podcast ends with at least a minute of
• 1:04:03
  discussion about how their personal vaginas look.
• 1:04:06
  I'm not even joking. I am all for comprehensive sex
• 1:04:09
  education, but their particular vaginas are not something I wish
• 1:04:12
  to discuss in detail. So let's just end the video
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  here. Thank you for watching today.
• 1:04:18
  I really hope you enjoyed this as something a little bit
• 1:04:20
  lighter and less in depth and sillier than normal and like
• 1:04:23
  less low stakes and so on. It's been, it's been quite fun.
• 1:04:26
  I am going to make responses to the other two podcasts because
• 1:04:29
  like I say, they're just kind of interesting to me at the minute
• 1:04:32
  and I hope you guys will enjoy watching them.
• 1:04:36
  Sorry I'm a little scruffy and messy at the minute.
• 1:04:38
  My hair is literally like straight out the bath still not
• 1:04:41
  even completely dry yet, and I am in desperate need of dyeing
• 1:04:44
  my hair and having a haircut. But life has been absolutely
• 1:04:48
  crazy right now. I think you all kind of know and
• 1:04:51
  have been, well, not if you're new here, you might not.
• 1:04:54
  But for those of you who've been following me for a long time, I
• 1:04:57
  just dealt with my dog being quite, quite severely I'll for
• 1:05:00
  several months and having a lot of seizures and having to deal
• 1:05:04
  with a lot of medication and the side effects of that.
• 1:05:06
  And I suddenly lost her in February and it was the most
• 1:05:11
  devastating loss of my life. So I've gone from dealing with
• 1:05:15
  that to moving house to now trying to buy a house.
• 1:05:17
  And it's just, there's a lot going on in my life right now.
• 1:05:20
  So basic things like taking care of myself in terms of getting a
• 1:05:24
  haircut and keeping it dyed have just gone out of the window
• 1:05:27
  temporarily. But I'm starting to sort myself
• 1:05:30
  out again and I'm coming around and yeah, things are getting
• 1:05:34
  slowly back on track. But for now, I just want to say
• 1:05:36
  thank you to everyone who has watched this video and who has
• 1:05:38
  supported me through these last few months that have been
• 1:05:40
  really, really difficult. I do appreciate you and your
• 1:05:42
  time so, so much and I really hope you enjoyed this video.
• 1:05:45
  If you want to see more from me, I do have a second channel where
• 1:05:48
  I have been catching up posting some of my reading wrap UPS
• 1:05:51
  every month, which is where I talk about what books I've read
• 1:05:53
  in the month and which ones I really liked and a couple that I
• 1:05:55
  didn't like. Mostly though, I've read some
• 1:05:57
  really, really good stuff this year, really enjoying it.
• 1:05:59
  So you can go and watch them from my second channel.
• 1:06:02
  I've also posted some fun bits of things I was doing to kind of
• 1:06:04
  like distract myself, like going to shows and sings and live
• 1:06:07
  music. And I got some photos and videos
• 1:06:10
  in like little vloggy style bits for you over there.
• 1:06:13
  And I'm also going to be last night, I found like around like
• 1:06:19
  24 hours ago now, you might see some of my videos.
• 1:06:22
  I've spoken a lot about Freedom McFadden lately and her books.
• 1:06:25
  And I went to her old blogs and spoke a lot about some of her
• 1:06:28
  viewpoints and stuff. And then last night, Freedom
• 1:06:32
  McFadden came out and revealed her real name as Doctor Sarah
• 1:06:37
  Cohen, Sarah Eileen Cohen. And I was like, oh, Oh my God,
• 1:06:41
  she's finally like revealed her true identity.
• 1:06:43
  She's not hiding behind a pseudonym anymore.
• 1:06:45
  And then I was like, okay, let me just like do a little Google.
• 1:06:48
  And I found she had a whole series of not exactly blog
• 1:06:53
  posts, but like articles and opinion posts and stuff that
• 1:06:56
  she'd written for a website for medical professionals.
• 1:07:00
  But I ended up reading through like a whole bunch of her posts.
• 1:07:02
  And I was like, this is so fascinating because so many of
• 1:07:05
  these things she was writing under her real name on this
• 1:07:08
  professional medical website for doctors and other medical
• 1:07:11
  professionals. We're on the same topics as she
• 1:07:13
  was talking about on her private blog under the name Doctor Fizzy
• 1:07:16
  and Freda McFadden. And she was writing about these
• 1:07:18
  same issues at the same time, but in completely different
• 1:07:21
  ways. So I'm considering just now
• 1:07:25
  filming a very quick video about that for the second channel
• 1:07:28
  because fascinating. I feel as an autistic woman, I
• 1:07:31
  get quite like, I get a little bit obsessed with things
• 1:07:34
  sometimes when I find it interesting.
• 1:07:35
  I'm like, I need to find out everything about this.
• 1:07:37
  And I, I do a lot of research and reading and get really
• 1:07:39
  involved in it. And at the minute my special
• 1:07:41
  interest seems to be freedom at Fathom for some reason.
• 1:07:44
  I don't know why. I just find her fascinating as a
• 1:07:47
  as a being. So.
• 1:07:49
  If you want to see that over my second channel, I think I'm
• 1:07:52
  going to film a little thing now.
• 1:07:53
  It won't be very in depth, I'll just kind of talk about it
• 1:07:55
  vaguely. But yeah, crazy.
• 1:07:57
  Anyway, thank you for watching and if you'd like to spot me and
• 1:08:01
  my channel, I do have a little bit of merch available.
• 1:08:04
  I do have some photography and art prints available on my
• 1:08:06
  website. If you are interested in any of
• 1:08:08
  them, I have Patreon. And if you just want to kind of
• 1:08:12
  keep up with me and my life and all of that fun stuff, I do have
• 1:08:16
  an Instagram account. We can go follow me where I post
• 1:08:18
  lots of things like nature photos.
• 1:08:20
  I do lots of live music photography, so I tend to post
• 1:08:22
  that. And I also just post little
• 1:08:23
  things like makeup posts and photos of my friends.
• 1:08:25
  And it's just just a personal little Instagram account.
• 1:08:28
  And I also post all my stories when I release new videos.
• 1:08:31
  So you can make sure you keep up to date over there if you want.
• 1:08:34
  Anyway, this was a long outro, but thank you for watching.
• 1:08:36
  I appreciate you guys and I'll see you again soon.
• 1:08:39
  Let me know down in the comments what you thought of this.
• 1:08:41
  And yeah, crazy wasn't it?