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Nick Brooks: It Dies Today · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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Today. We have Nick Brooks with us from It Dies Today, which is
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such a legend legendary band, especially back in the day. You know,
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if you were if you were anybody who cared about heavy music in the mid
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two thousands, you knew of It Dies today and so we're super honored Nick
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to to have you on. I'm sure things are going fairly well, other
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than the fact that the bills are a little bit struggling this year. I
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mean, I would imagine that's put a little bit of a damper on your
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mood, like recently a little bit. Yeah, Yeah, bills are currently
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broken. They're they're not working out so hot, but everything else has been
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going great. You know, just got home front. Well we're looking at
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almost two months now away from Furnace Fest, but right found to Birmingham and
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had like, honestly just such an incredible time down there and been slowed down
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a little bit, you know, but you know, still a Storehearson,
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still doing all that and trying to basically work on this band while also holding
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down careers and all that fun stuff. So yeah, so Furnace Fest a
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hell of a time. We were there, We watched you guys, you
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guys just absolutely killed it, you know for a band that hasn't played obviously
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a ton over the last like decade or so, to see you guys just
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like come together and it just felt so natural again, Like it felt like,
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you know, kind of like riding a bike where you just guys picked
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it right back up and we're just as energetic and sounded just as great as
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you guys always have. Well appreciate that, man, Thank you. Yeah,
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it, I can assure you. It wasn't like that when we first
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started up again, Like we uh we really you know, probably two to
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three times a week we would get together and rehearse for for a good,
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I don't know, eight months, so like we were really you know,
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committed to not sounding like crap, and it was crazy. It was I
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think Mike told the story on something else, but like we got so spoiled
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and rehearsing because we had like our mixer setup, we had like everybody ran
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in ears. It sounded like studio quality and your in ears and everything was
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perfect, and you know, things just didn't go our way the day of
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Furnace Fest. So like you can see me like rip out my inners and
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like throw them at the start of the set, So we were like basically
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fly and blind when we first started playing, and I mean, I don't
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know, I couldn't really hear anything. So I'm glad to glad it it
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turned out. Okay, I was. I was a little disappointed with how
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I performed just because of that, but it was such a black asked it
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like it didn't matter, and people were so like, I mean, just
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went insane. So it was it was really cool. It was overwhelming to
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be honest, like, you know, twenty years later or however many years
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later, right to still have people going off like that and risking you know,
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hip and knee replacements and stuff. So it was it was super cool
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to see and everybody had a great time doing it. And I can't speak
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highly enough of just everybody, like all the staff, everybody who runs furnest
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Fest just incredible, incredible people who put together a really, really special amount.
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So it was we're thrilled to be there. Yeah, it's one of
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those events that Colin and I go to every year. We've been been there
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the last few years now, and uh yeah, it's just always the it's
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always the best. Well tell us the story around, like how you guys
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even got invited to be a part of this, Like, what what's the
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story there? If it was it as like simple as Chad or Johnny or
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somebody just reached out and on Instagram, or was it a little bit more
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something you know, you guys have like a relationship with those guys, or
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what's the story behind getting getting this gig at Furness Fast. Yeah, Chad
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just reached out, I think to our Instagram and asked if we were interested
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in playing, and so our drummer who Nick, the other Nick who runs
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that, basically just asked him to shoot me an email and then me and
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him had like a zoom call for thirty minutes in one day and answered all
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my questions and just the nicest guy on the planet, like just super super
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nice. They were great to work with, and yeah, like I said,
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we were. We had been twying with the idea of maybe, you
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know, just getting together to write and just doing it very discreetly and not
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saying anything, and then this came about, so that kind of forced our
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hand to to kind of get together and finish up some stuff we arted like
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in twenty fourteen. So we had a bunch of songs that were kind of
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like, oh, really done, and they just for whatever reason, everybody
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kind of went their separate ways back then and well, families, jobs,
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stuff like that. We just didn't have the time to commit to it.
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And so yeah, we've been working on that stuff and they reached out and
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it was it was perfect timing. So wow, I didn't realize that you
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guys had been like writing since twenty fourteen. It almost feels like you're,
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you know, in twenty fourteen. I don't even know what the kind of
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like files you'd been using then, but it almost feels like we're totally in
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a new generation of file types that you know what whatever you guys were recording
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and in exporting your stuff, and right now or back in twenty fourteen,
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it probably is different now. I have no idea that's almost that's almost ten
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years, right, So there's a lot of things that changed during that time.
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Yeah, so we had to I mean, we had to retrack a
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number of things. And then I had some studio time with an engineer up
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here. His name's Jay Zu Bricky, amazing guy, and so we just
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have program drums on a couple of things before and we didn't want to do
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that, so we were lucky enough to jump in the studio with him,
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tracked the drums, and then our guitar player, Mike, he basically like
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he's like a studio engineer for all intents and purposes, and he just went
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tracked everything else, and then I knocked out the vocals and there we go.
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Are you guys all based in Buffalo still or are you guys kind of
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around the country or what does that look like for you all? Right now?
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Yeah? Yeah, we're all still still in western New York. So
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Mike, I think lives the furthest away from anybody, which is like twenty
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minute drive. He lives in Falls. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,
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like he lives in the Falls, and the rest of us live in and
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around Buffalo. So okay, so you guys are like close enough where I
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mean, it does seem conceivable for you guys to kind of get together pretty
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consistently and potentially write and rehearse and all of that. Like it's not like
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you're you know, you've got people across the country and it takes a lot
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of time and energy and money to bring people together. It sounds like it's
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pretty close to to make that happen. Yeah, yeah, it's nice.
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I mean, we've got just the most terrifyingly awful practice room that's about five
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minutes five ten minutes from my house, and we we go and jam there
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or try to at least, you know, like I said, a couple
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of times a week. And it's it's nice because we had we had gotten
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in the habit of like really not writing as as a group or like not
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in person, and just like here's an idea, here's a demo, we'll
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program the drums and whatever. And it's been fun. It's like going back
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twenty years ago when you just get in the room with a bunch of guys
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and and if it sounds heavy, like let's let's go with it. So
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right now you just have to take more ibuprofen before you rehearse. Right,
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Yeah, Buddys literally broke me. I like, somebody jumped on my back
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at one point and just snapped my ankle like I had I like I just
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started being able to walk normally again. Oh my god. And it was
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and she came up to me afterward and I'm like, thanks for that,
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appreciate it. Like, dude, I'm up here with the deep rais on,
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Like what are we doing? We're jumping on my back. But it
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was, it was awesome, It was super fun, So it was it
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was a fan that did it. Yeah, So think at one point I
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said something like something about like the stage yours something something along thost lines like
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you know and uh yeah, and people took that to heart, man,
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like your back is mine now too, Yeah, like your back is my
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stage. I think that I think it dies today might have had the most
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stage dives of any band other than maybe Turnstile or Plea. Please had a
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lot too, Terror, Plea had a lot on Plea had a lot on
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one song. I was how was up front for Terror? I don't think
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there was as many as there was for for you guys. I don't.
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I don't know what it was, but like people went ape shit for you
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guys, it was. It was really cool to see. I'll tell you
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though, Like I we didn't make it in time for the Drain set.
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I think what was that was that Saturday I didn't get to see Drain.
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Yeah, I think they probably they were one of the other bands that definitely
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had a lot the videos because I love that mand so, like I was
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bummed we didn't make it in time. We sat in traffic. But the
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videos of that set are just ridiculous, Like that that was the one where
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the kid jumped from like that was really like ten foot high, fifteen feet
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high or whatever. That was. Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole
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crowd that's just going insane. I mean it was. It was pretty cool.
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So what did you guys? I would imagine, you know, with
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with your fan base probably being like in there, what maybe thirties now something
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like that, you know, a lot more people taking a little bit more
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ibuprofen. Things aren't quite as wild, although clearly you know, people are
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still jumping on your back. But did you guys ever have that kind of
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show where people were willing to jump off like ten foot high or fifteen foot
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high? Shit? Like, did you guys ever have that kind of crowd?
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Even maybe in the early days? Yeah? Yeah, our shows were
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violent and scary when we first started for some reason, like back in when
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I was like when we were in like high school still and I think I
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don't know if it was just like we signed a Life Sentence Records, which
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is like super straight edge label. We weren't a straight edge band by any
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means, and just I don't know if it was that or just the style
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of music, but like we got kind of lumped into like a tough guy
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hardcore vibe, and so like we'd play a lot of shows with just like
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like beatdown bands and stuff like that, and like our it was scary,
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like really really violent and scary. I'm not not like hate Breed in the
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nineties scary, but like you know, for a couple of sixteen year old
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kids, you know, like no right, they had no right. You
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had to get back to algebra the next day and you don't even know if
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you want to make it out of the venue. Yeah, it was.
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They were cool though, Like the East Coast was always super violent. But
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the first time we went to California, I remember we played Showcase Theater in
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Corona, which, like you see all the pictures of like the OC bands
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from the early days, and they always played it at Showcase. So we're
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killing, like dying to go there. But I remember like the merch was
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up on like it was up on a landing. They had to walk up
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a bunch of steps to get to and during our set, people just started
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launching themselves off the merch area and it was it was it was incite,
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so not quite as violent, but you talk about people going just absolutely bananas
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like that. That was the first time we were like, oh, okay,
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I think there was a massive missed opportunity at Furnace Vest though. What's
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that there was no shortage of folding tables that you guys could have brought to
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the pit and Bill's Mafia could have just gone absolutely not. Yeah, and
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you know, there was a ton of people from Buffalo down there too for
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the festival, so we had we had a bunch of friends there and who
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makes a truck every year? And yeah, you're right, we should have
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definitely put somebody through a table. Well, which makes me ask the question
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too, I can't personally name another band that's influential in the scene from Buffalo.
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Is there another band that I'm not thinking over? How was the scene
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there when you guys were getting rocking and rolling? So like every Time I
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Die is from Every Time I Die is from Buffalo? I didn't know that.
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Yeah they're from well half a gay, Yeah, they're from in and
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around Buffalo. We we, I mean there's been ebbs and flows. I've
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been out of it for a while, you know what I mean, Like
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I don't. I got three kids, I don't get to too many shows
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anymore. But like, I mean, Snapcase, Buried Alive, Despair,
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like a bunch of the vocal any of the pre terror vocal bands. Sure,
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trying to think of who else. I'm just I'm just like blatantly wrong.
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I mean, I just I've been We've had We've had a good number
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of bands, I think. You know, obviously, like Snapcase was very
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successful. They were like one of the first man really break from hardcore,
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not from hardcore, but in the hardcore scene. And then obviously Eatid was
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a band for twenty some odd years touring and selling out venues. And those
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guys, those guys are awesome. So we're actually playing with I don't know
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what it is. I I always imagine them as a Southern band. I
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never never would have guessed that they were a Buffalo band. A lot of
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Southern riffs, you know, but totally yeah, New York. That's wild
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to me. I would And you guys were kind of coming up around the
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same time. I guess maybe they were a little bit maybe before you guys,
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but it feels like you sort of were kind of both hitting your peaks
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right around the same time in those like early to mid two thousands, right,
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yeah, we lucked out. I mean they they always took care of
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us and like would take us out. But yeah, they were They started
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in ninety seven. I think we started in one. Okay, so a
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little bit of a little bit of a gap. But we did, you
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know, us and Canadian tours together. We went to the UK with them,
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We did. We did a ton of stuff with those guys. And
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I can't say, you know enough nice things about them, So all great
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dudes, I did. Speaking of kind of those tour years, are there
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any are there any like fun stories that you don't think most people would know
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about that, you know, just like shenanigans that maybe you guys did,
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or like just a silly dumb story, or is there anything that no one
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that like this is black Sheep exclusive. It dies today, no one's ever
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heard this ever. What's like kind of the the unknown secretive thing in those
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tour years when you guys were still touring around that people need to know about.
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I don't think I've ever I don't think I've shared this, so we
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can go with that. But and it's kind of like the most the least
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incriminating, I guess right. So so in two thousand and three, we
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did like our first full US tour and we were out with Between the Barrier
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to Me, Taken an Alexis on Fire, and we we all all the
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bands got along super super well, and you know, we'd play practical jokes
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on each other. And sure, I don't know where we were, but
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some gal that we knew was like, I don't know, she worked marketing
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or did something for a label and had a create like of thousands of limp
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biscuit stickers, and so we had the really stupid idea of covering I think
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it was Taken's trailer covering Taken's trailer and Limp biscuit stickers during their set and
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I mean top to bottom and the thing that sucked though, and I felt
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terrible afterward, but like we never thought like we should test this out first,
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like with the first one, like let's try and pull it off and
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see if it'll come off right. And so we covered it in like hundreds
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of stickers and they didn't come off. They would like rip off and leave
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like the you know that shitty like residue, and it like destroyed this very
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nice trailer, and I felt awful. Their bass player, I think wanted
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to kill me. And he's he's a very quiet, like docile dude,
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and I thought he was gonna kill me. I was like, really,
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I didn't know, So I don't know what the end result of that was.
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I think we may have given them money. I don't remember, but
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yeah, he was not happy. So uh, it's like, you know,
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practical joke's going wrong kind of deal. Did you guys get a picture
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of it at least at the end result? Yes, But this was two
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thousand and three, so I'm pretty sure it's like there's like a physical photo
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of it somewhere. Ye, Like Chris Ord, the our merch guy at
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the time, probably have a picture of it, someone's disposable camera. Yeah,
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exactly what was the shittiest prank play played on you guys? I mean,
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obviously if you're if you're doing that, there's gonna be a shittier one
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on you, right. I don't remember that. I don't remember it from
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that specific tour. I've heard some really gnarly stories from after I was in
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the band of like, yeah, like human waste being involved and like that
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that's taken a little bit too. Were you guys touring with Jackass or what?
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Right? Yeah, I forgot, I don't forgot what band they said
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they were. They were throwing like I don't know if it was food and
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his bottles and things like that. Just oh man g Garlely stuff. So
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if if gar was on tour with you, they're probably making you try to
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do jencom or something like that. That reminds me of God. There was
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I feel like it was like Jonathan Kindler Colin uh so, Colin and I,
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uh, we've interviewed The Chariot quite a bit, where like they were
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one of our favorite bands and I don't know if you know the Chariot at
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all, those guys the great guys, but they uh there their basis uh
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Wolf. Jonathan Kinler, I think it was him, mentioned one time where
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they were on uh they were it was like in the middle of the night
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there after a show, they're like heading to the next town and he like
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had this gatorade bottle full of piss and didn't realize that it was like slightly
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open and in the middle of the night, you know, woke up like
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really thirsty, found this gatorade bottle right next to him. Not thinking twice
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about it, just opened it up and just like chugged it and then quickly
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realized, like, that's not gatorade. So that has not happened to myself.
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I'm not going to name who it did happen to, but we were
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We were in like I think England or some I don't remember, but for
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some reason, like the backstage was pitch black, like you couldn't see anything,
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and everybody had been not everybody, but like most of us had been
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like throwing back beers allah. Yeah, and somebody I don't know who decided
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to double one of the empty beer bottles is rather than just walking to the
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toilet, just pissed it a beer bottle. It's like that scene in Dumb
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and Dumber where like the cop Yeah exactly literally, but I remember they were
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very upset, and I still don't know who took it upon themselves to urinate
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and all those beer bottles. But there we go. No, it wasn't
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England, so it could have just been the way the British are, you
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know, like fuck you Americans, you know. So one of the questions
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I typically asked a lot of bands, uh, you know, especially because
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the bands that like ended up kind of becoming like really well established at one
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point in their careers. It is at some point you must have felt like,
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oh, like that this is this is not just like a hobby anymore,
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Like this is this isn't my high school band anymore where I'm just like
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playing little local gigs like this feels like a real thing where to some degree
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I'm paying the bills with this and I'm wondering for you and it dies today,
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Like what at what point in your career was it maybe the first album,
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second album, maybe it was even later than that, but like,
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at what point did you guys feel like, oh that, like this is
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a this is a thing that we're doing and it's like, you know,
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like when you go home for like Thanksgiving, your Grandpa's not asking like are
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you still doing that band thing anymore? Like now it actually becomes oh no,
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like this is just what I do right now, like I'm a musician.
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Well, at what point did you feel like you were established in that
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way in your career? That's tough, So like from the get go,
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to be honest, like that that was our goal. That was our intention,
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Like we had been in bands before that, believe it or not like
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when we're like fourteen through sixteen, they were terrible, you know. But
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when we started the band, it was like there was a couple like two
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of the guys are a little bit older at the time, and it was
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pretty much like if you're joining the band, like you understand, like we
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are going we're going to tour, We're going to play every weekend outside of
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Buffalo. Like that was the mindset and the goal. I think like that
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first that first full us tour we did was with to me. I would
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say, like the that moment when he said oh, I said like,
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okay, this is this is it, Like this is all we're going to
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do. And it was a really successful tour. We had great bands on
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it, and you know, going home to community college was not like that
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sucks, That was not That was not what I wanted to do. I
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wanted to I wanted to sit in a van with my best friends and play
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heavy music and watch people go bananas. So yeah, that first tour did
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it for me. There's there was other like milestones throughout, you know,
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obviously signing to Trustkill, playing hell Fest the one year in New Jersey was
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like huge because we had gone to all the hell fests leading up to that
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as like fans and then Trustkill and like the first video that comes out,
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and I remember my family at home like threw a party and our tour like
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they threw like a watch party when it was on Headbanger's Ball and they had
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no idea I was in town because I was to be somewhere else. But
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we got home early and I showed up and that was that was that was
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special? So be that was riot? Yeah, that was awesome. What
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was the family reception of it? Dies today? That's the other thing about
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like heavy bands, and I'm always likes about, like, you know,
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I was never in a band, but I always think about, like if
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I were in like a heavy band where there's lots of screaming and you know,
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breakdowns and everything. I know for sure my grandma would be like,
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can you just like not do that music? Can you just do any other
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kind of music? And I'm curious, like, did you guys ever encounter
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that of where like, you know, families are certainly gonna be proud of
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their their kids and their family as much as they can be, but I
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would imagine like there's still got to be like does it really have to be
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the screaming music that you guys are doing. Yeah, my mom didn't didn't
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care, she didn't know what the hell I was wasting my time with kind
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of deal. And then like and then it was funny. Anytime we'd come
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through Buffalo and there's like a sold out show, she'd be up there with
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her gale pals, like whooping it up, like yeah, you know,
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like all right, but for the last five years, you know, like
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you seem angry. That's when you know you've made it. It's when your
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mom, who hates screaming music, all of a sudden, is now at
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the front of your shows. The funny thing is like the earlier is for
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you though, actually I think it was actually a harder time to be,
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you know, in a metal band when you're talking about like the pressures of
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your family back then, like the early two thousands, because I mean you
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had like uh Ma, Marilyn Manson, and you had slip Knot, and
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you had corn and you had Limp Biscuit and all these guys that were like
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definitely gaining a lot of negative headline news. And now your mom and dad
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they have no idea what the difference is between you and Marilyn Manson. So
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they just think that you're basically the same thing, right, And they're like,
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my son is part of this. I've failed, right, I mean
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that's my son is a Satanist. Yah. She just she didn't get why
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I was so angry. I'm like, it's just she's like, You're gonna
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end up on Donahue one of these days. Yeah, right, become the
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next g g Allen sucks. Everything about that dude sucks. It sucked.
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I don't know, I've already heard Feis stories. So we'll kind a track
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a piece of garbage. Yeah, Oh, talk a little bit about kind
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of what you felt like was maybe then the height of the career. I
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would imagine that when you guys, when you guys started feeling like all right,
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like this is what we're doing or whatever, that's gonna be a little
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bit of a different kind of milestone or different part of the career of it
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dies today than when you feel like, oh, like and maybe you didn't
25:48
know in the moment that you guys are like at the height of the career
25:51
or whatever, but maybe looking back now you're like, oh, that was
25:52
like the biggest we were or whatever. But what like what would you say
25:56
the time period of that was? What did that look like for you all
25:59
at that time? The oz Fest effect? You know, so we did
26:03
we did oz Fest two thousand and five, which arguably us removed. Is
26:07
that like the best, that's the best lineup and coming off of that,
26:12
I remember, so we did a headliner like before, well did a headliner
26:19
the Winner before Ozfest, and it was it was awful. It was god
26:25
awful, like great bands, terrible turnouts, just playing it op and you
26:32
know, we had we had done some good tours and that one just the
26:33
routing I think it was like not even secondary markets, it was like tertiary
26:38
markets. It was. It was not a good tour and like a lot
26:41
of us were like, we're done. And then that tour we found out
26:48
we were gonna play oz Fest, play oz Fest and we did a headliner.
26:52
We immediately went from oz Fest to the UK and did a tour of
26:56
Trivium and then when we got home we did another headliner and it was I
27:00
believe might have been primary markets. I don't know, but it was great
27:06
tour. I think, Well for my Valentine, it was like their first
27:10
US tour. It was maybe still remains, but just the turnouts and just
27:15
the vibe completely completely changed U for us on that and like we were able
27:22
to hire somebody to tour manage us and you know, run merch and you
27:26
know it, just the room sizes got a lot bigger, they were full,
27:32
people knew the words it was. It was really cool. I think
27:33
that that was the moment for sure. One of the things you've mentioned this
27:37
already a few times of like some of the bands that you guys have toured
27:41
with. What is interesting to me is you guys have toured with some really
27:45
heavy bands, and then you guys have like toured with like kind of more
27:48
of like what I maybe people would describe as like more post hardcore bions whatever.
27:53
And that's like the cool thing about it Dies today is you guys have
27:59
this like foot in not like like straight up like hardcore kind of audience.
28:04
But you also are not certainly like just a straight up hardcore band like Terror
28:08
would be or whatever, right, Like you guys do have kind of these
28:11
more softer melodic elements, and and that's what's really cool is like you guys
28:15
probably for a lot of people who are probably like you know, super big
28:19
like Terror fans or something like they're straight up hardcore people, but you might
28:25
be one of the more like softer bands, if you will, for a
28:27
lot of those people. And it's really cool that you guys have been able
28:30
to like step foot in like all these kind of different audiences where you guys
28:34
can play super super heavy hardcore shows and then also do some stuff that maybe
28:40
is even closer to like post hardcore emo stuff, and you guys have a
28:44
foot in all of that, and that I think, like is a testament
28:47
of just like your versatility, and I think that says a lot about you
28:52
all. Excuse me, uh No, I appreciate that. Man. We
28:56
always all of us listen to a lot of different types of music, and
29:03
especially when when Mike joined the band and we started writing for that first album,
29:07
it was a conscious decision like we don't want to just have one sound
29:14
throughout this whole record. We kind of want to mix it up. And
29:17
and with our second album too, it was the same, same, same
29:22
thing we were trying to do. It's like, well, we don't want
29:23
to repeat what we just did, so let's branched out and do something weird
29:30
and different. But like, uh no, I appreciate it. Yeah,
29:34
we've always we've always tried to kind of mix it up and have something for
29:37
everybody, and you know, some people like it, some people don't what
29:41
it is. So was there ever? Was there every a like a challenge
29:45
by your producers or record company or anything like that to put out softer stuff
29:52
or more like active rock type stuff. No. In fact, like Josh
29:59
from trust Kill got kind of pissed when he got some of our first mixes
30:03
from from Sirens because he's like, there's not enough breakdowns, so we don't
30:07
have We stopped doing like the stupid and I'm not saying stupid, but just
30:11
like the stupid heavy like beat down types thing. We didn't want those on
30:18
that album. And uh so yeah, I remember here it was kind of
30:22
about not He's like this is too too du mellow, like let's tell you
30:26
man so but uh yeah, so, which I guess goes to show like
30:32
that was pretty cool. Like the label boss instead of you know, pushing
30:34
us and trying to tell us like, oh, you gotta be more melodic,
30:38
he wanted us to be heavier. So that's awesome. Yeah, it
30:41
was pretty cool. Yeah, No, producers, I mean, at the
30:47
end of the day, Like you still have to make the decisions for for
30:52
what's going to be best for the band. You can take their input and
30:55
and a lot of them feel very strongly about set input. But it's if
31:00
you believe in an idea and you you want to you want to see it
31:04
through. So so we never really had had a problem with that. But
31:10
it's good. Hey. Also, I want to apologize for leaving the the
31:14
screen here for a moment. I have a farmhouse and all of a sudden,
31:19
something may started making a strange sound in the other room. You might
31:22
even be able to hear it on the mic. I don't know, but
31:26
it sounds exactly like a raccoon, and I'm like terrified. There's literally a
31:30
fucking raccoon in my basement right now. Uh, it's loud. Have you
31:36
have you ever heard raccoons mating? Oh, it's the most terrifying. It
31:40
sounds like like design the skyline kind of scream. Oh, It's it's terrifying
31:47
and like so high pitch, and it's like it sounds like they are trying
31:52
to like kill each other. And yeah, I like, and then I
31:55
looked it up. They know they're just mating. That's right, that's right.
32:00
I'm just terrified that like a raccoon's gonna come up and like literally just
32:04
bite the shit out of my foot or something like that. I made it
32:06
make for a hell of a podcast, It really would. It really would
32:08
just magic. But I'm like sucking it all over the place. Yeah,
32:14
be crazy. That would be the one and only way we could ever make
32:19
this podcast go viral and big you killing a live raccoon on air, So
32:28
it would be pretty awesome. I'm not gonna lie, although all the straight
32:31
edge bands would be like, oh fuck that guy. Yeah. Nick.
32:37
One of the things that I'm also like kind of curious about, especially with
32:40
bands that you know, you guys had the you know, first few albums
32:45
and those like mid to late two thousands and then obviously you haven't really released
32:50
anything since. But obviously the music industry just in terms of like the use
32:53
of technology and how we access music has changed so much in those essentially almost
33:00
twenty to fifteen years since then. Can you talk a little bit about kind
33:05
of what that relationship with technology and the relationship of like just how you like
33:08
access music around that time, Like you guys were probably coming up around the
33:13
time of like MySpace being a way to like market yourselves, and obviously a
33:17
lot of people would maybe discover you through that or pure volume, and certainly
33:21
there was like a legal you know, lime wire stuff going on at that
33:25
time. And I'm just curious, like how you as a band at that
33:30
time accessed or like thought about your relationship to the kind of technology of music
33:36
and the marketing of music at that time, and knowing like that it's so
33:39
much different now. Yeah, I mean this is like my could be my
33:44
old man yells at the sky moment. It's crazy how different it is.
33:50
And just to be honest with you, the use of social media as a
33:54
marketing tool is beyond me. Like I'm lost, Like I don't stand it,
34:01
and sadly like I run one of the band's social media's, I don't
34:06
know what I'm doing. Uh marusso our drummers real good at it. But
34:09
you know, at the time, it was like the I remember we'd been
34:14
kind of doing demos with Mike and releasing on MP three dot com And this
34:22
is prior to getting signed to signed a trustkill and I remember being like,
34:24
damn, that's that's like a lot of plays and it's it was like us
34:29
and as I lay dying like neck and neck when we prefers they first put
34:31
out uh was that song ninety four hours or ninety eight hours or something like
34:36
that. Yeah, yeah, ninety six hours I think somewhere in the nineties.
34:42
But I remember that was like a big deal to us, and like
34:45
MP three dot com got us a lot of exposure at the time. It
34:49
was like it's this pre MySpace and all that too. But there was just
34:54
there's a lot of message boards, so like we you know, there was
34:59
the Bridge nine board. There's a board called uh in Strife. There's a
35:04
local one in Buffalo. But that's how a lot of those early tours were
35:07
booked. That's how we promoted a lot of the stuff. And like again
35:13
I just sounded old, but it's to me, it's here the dial sound.
35:19
And then we would just be like it dies today, is playing today?
35:22
Yeah, dude. Having to that the access to it all too,
35:27
I could I couldn't imagine touring back then with like just a computer in my
35:31
hand, you know what I mean, Like everybody's going a smartphone now.
35:35
It makes it a hell a lot easier. I think there's there's pros and
35:37
cons to it all because obviously you've got all these free tools at your disposal.
35:45
But to me, just the the consumption aspect of it kind of sucks.
35:50
Like streaming, to me, I love it because I just you know,
35:53
I throw on a playlist and I'm we're good to go. But it's
35:57
just the the act of seeking things out and discovering new things and like having
36:02
a physical like CD or record or something, and and that's lost, I
36:08
think, And that sucks because I like those are some of my fondest memories
36:14
are like going to Home of the Hits in Buffalo with Chris, which was
36:17
a record store on Elmwood, and you know, we'd you know, pick
36:22
out different records and go home read the liner notes, and you know,
36:25
then we'd find like six other bands that that we're going to fall in love
36:29
with and and go back and then they're, Oh, this band's going to
36:31
be here next week. And it's just I think that that like romanticism is
36:37
kind of gone from music because it's just like, oh, another band that
36:42
sounds heavy and has breakdowns is gonna do a song out and I have instant
36:45
access to it, so yeah, get off my soapbox. But yeah,
36:50
yeah, there's a there's like a lack of novelty, and on top of
36:54
that, there's this lack of desire to want to latch yourself on to as
37:00
a as a fan, to latch yourself onto a band that you're really digging,
37:05
right, that's a sad thing. Yeah, it's scary. So yeah,
37:09
you can reach a wider audience, and I think there's a lot of
37:13
there's a lot of amazing stuff. And you know, you see bands who
37:16
you know, blow up overnight based on an algorithm, you know, and
37:22
I think that's that's very cool, but it also kind of sucks. Can
37:25
you talk a little bit about kind of the that sort of first part of
37:30
the breakup of it dies today. I know that you left the band a
37:34
little earlier than you know, the band went for a few more years and
37:37
then and then essentially kind of went on hiatus or maybe they would call it
37:40
a breakup. I'm not sure exactly how they would have phrased it, but
37:45
I know you left the band a little early. Can you talk a little
37:46
bit about kind of that timeframe, not only for you but for the band
37:51
and then and then we can talk about kind of the reunion stuff that's been
37:52
going on. But yeah, talk a little bit about that kind of initial
37:55
you know, late two thousands, you leaving the band and then the band
38:00
eventually breaking up in that in that timeframe. Yeah, So we had worked
38:06
super super hard on the second album and it just like it flopped. It
38:12
got leaked a month before it came out, two months before it came out.
38:15
It didn't do the numbers it should have. It flopped, and we
38:21
had a tour with Silverstein that we did like right when the album came out,
38:29
and I just, I don't know, I was burnt out and I
38:31
didn't want to do it anymore. And after working so hard and just kind
38:35
of seeing it fail, Like not that I wanted to give up. I
38:37
just was like I was over it and was overplaying the style of music.
38:42
And not that there's I think it's against I don't care or whatever. It's
38:45
just I didn't want to do it anymore. And I had a bunch of
38:49
friends back home that you know, we're down to start the type of band
38:52
I want to start, and shortly did that, which is what I don't
38:55
know, like Americana, like kind of punk, little country ish. Sure,
39:01
I thought I thought you, I thought you were gonna say, like
39:04
a Mumford and Son's cover band or something like that. Not quite, but
39:07
I mean not not all too far off. I mean it was you know,
39:10
it was definitely a lot different than than what we were doing, and
39:15
that, yeah, I was more interested in kind of like doing that.
39:16
And so we got home from that tour and frankly, like, we came
39:21
home from that tour and it was we just were really making foolish decisions at
39:27
the time when it comes to the finances, and you know, we're bringing
39:30
out tons of people and no offense to them, but I think they were
39:35
also making really foolish decisions and maybe some kind of deceptive things were going on
39:40
at the time. And so I came home and it was like a six
39:43
week tour and I had I didn't I didn't take any money, and I
39:46
was like that entire time like we weren't like we weren't. It was just
39:51
a frustrating period. And I had said to Mike, like in the middle
39:55
of that tour, I was like, dude, I'm done, Like I
39:58
just I can't do this anymore. So I came home, started a band
40:01
with my friends, went back to school, and that band didn't go anywhere.
40:07
We had opportunities, we didn't really capitalize on them. I think we
40:10
were more interested in just kind of drinking beer and whiskey and then actually like
40:17
being sounds like this podcast. Yeah yeah, So yeah, we didn't really
40:25
do anything. Those guys kept going I don't know exactly how long, and
40:34
then in I think they broke up. I don't know what they did,
40:39
but in like twenty eleven, I want to say, we played a show
40:45
with this lineup, which was a benefit for our good friend, and then
40:51
got back together and did all the ten year anniversary shows in like twenty fourteen,
40:55
and so we kind of picked up some steam in twenty fourteen, and
41:00
then uh, just it just kind of fizzled out, and nobody really had
41:05
the time to commit to it, like I said, and other stuff was
41:08
just a larger priority than than doing the band. And I was still finishing
41:13
up school, like it took me forever, so I was, I was.
41:17
I was going to school full time and working full time and kids and
41:22
all that. So it was just like the band became out of an afterthought
41:27
at that point. And then so it's like condensed condensed history of that that
41:32
portion, I guess so did the band. Is the band still an afterthought
41:38
or is it? Is it much more forefront than before? It's it's more
41:44
forefront now. It's just Uh. I wouldn't say it's everybody's main gig.
41:49
It's like it's our nice it's a nice like side gig, right, it's
41:53
something really fun we can go and do and hopefully play some festivals and and
41:58
uh, it's just like a really cool side gig to have, like,
42:01
uh, really lucky that you know anybody gives a shit enough to Yeah,
42:07
we can do this. So and how old are your kids? Oh,
42:13
let's see eleven eight and five? What do they think about dad going nuts
42:17
on a stage? It's it's funny. Uh yeah, I think my daughter
42:23
just walked down too, So it's funny. But she's embarrassed for sure.
42:28
Yeah she's she's for sure embarrassed. She's embarrassed. What the hell? Yeah?
42:34
Does she see how much people love you? Well? I think that
42:37
was the first time, like they on YouTube saw like the furnace fast stuff
42:42
and we're like, that's crazy. Maybe my dad is cool. But I
42:46
thought that the Billie Eilish thing, for sure was going to score me some
42:50
points and that did nothing. I wasn't impressed. Are you serious? It's
42:54
not Taylor Swift, man, It's not not t Swift. So wow,
43:00
So Taylor you're listening, shout me out? So my daughter, Well,
43:04
what you need to do. You need to get Travis to listen and then
43:08
you'll get Taylor there you go. Yeah, you know Travis either. By
43:15
the way, that's got a little bit of a Travis Kelsey vibe. I
43:19
appreciate it. I was gonna say, Josh Allen, but he's now we're
43:23
talking. Now we're I know you mentioned kind of at the beginning with you
43:32
know, it's been a little bit more consistent of rehearsing together. You guys
43:36
kind of live really close to one another, so you've been, you know,
43:39
doing things together. And you mentioned before too that you had been recording
43:45
back in like twenty fourteen. You had a number of things kind of ready
43:47
to go, and I know you had the single come out a couple of
43:51
months ago. Now, yeah, like can we expect new music? Like
43:55
is there a new album on the horizon? Like what what can people what
43:59
can fans expect from it? Does today? Uh? So yes, we're
44:05
going to be putting out another song probably in the next few weeks sick okay
44:09
ideally, and then we had a song come out in twenty fourteen, but
44:15
it was basically like a glorified demo. I still think it sounds great,
44:20
but so we've kind of reworked that so we could actually play it. So
44:25
we're we recorded that, so we're gonna release that. I don't know.
44:30
I think that the plan is just to do singles and then ultimately like have
44:36
it culminate into some kind of physical release and by like, uh, you
44:39
know, twelve inch, ten inch something something along those lines, and and
44:45
just kind of do our own thing. So I can dig that. I
44:49
like that, you know. I think that that's a that's a mentality that's
44:52
working for a lot of people these days, especially alternative bands from or or
44:58
heavy music bands, I should say, from the early and mid two thousands.
45:01
It just seems to be a formula that works out and it doesn't stress
45:05
you too much, but it allows you to be creative and allows your fans
45:07
to have a little bit something new and sometimes I mean, man, there's
45:12
been some really, really really good songs that go into heavy rotation because of
45:16
it. So I think that's the way to go. Man, I appreciate
45:20
it. I I think like we've talked to some people, and I've come
45:23
out of those conversation and by people I mean like and at labels, Distro
45:28
and things like that. They're all great, they're all very smart, and
45:32
I come out of those conversations and being like, man, I don't know,
45:36
I don't think we're doing this the right way. Like they've got a
45:38
plan. I mean, it's it's it makes sense, but I just think
45:43
for what we're trying to achieve, it's like, we're not going to have
45:46
a two year album cycle of touring. Like it's not happening. We're not
45:51
going to tour. We might play a couple of couple of shows a year
45:53
and that's about it. So it's like, this makes sense and ideally,
45:59
you know, you can put a couple of songs out and hopefully people dig
46:01
them and that's it. I'll say about the newest one, it might be
46:06
one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard from you guys. It it is.
46:09
There are there are some heavy, heavy chug and chugging going on in
46:14
that song, thank You. The next one is heavier, Oh yeah,
46:20
it's it's definitely heavier. It's dumb heavy, like it's it's probably I've said
46:27
it before. I think I think it's probably the heaviest thing we've written.
46:30
And then we're working on other stuff too, so to your point before of
46:34
like kind of having a bunch of different styles of songs or whatever, but
46:37
that we're working on some more melodic sounding things, and and then just doing
46:42
stuff that like, no, we never had a chance to do before,
46:45
and now we can just toy around with things and do whatever we want.
46:50
So it's it's fun. You know, if you really want to be cool,
46:54
you could, uh, you could you could call your fourteen year old
47:00
daughter, is that it? Uh? And then and then say you want
47:02
to know how heavy this album is? For this this new song album,
47:06
sorry, this new song is it's dummy thick, And then she's gonna be
47:09
like, oh my god, dad, and then she's going to probably die
47:14
right there on the spot. I think. So I love it. Let's
47:20
uh, let's let's let's go top five most influential huh. All right,
47:24
So I'm gonna put this as the caveat all right. I don't think these
47:29
are necessarily going to be the most influential albums for me, per se.
47:35
But I'm gonna base it off the band, all right, and and things
47:38
reasons why we started the band. Okay, okay, am I going bands
47:43
or am I going albums? Albums? Generally ideally, So we'll start off
47:52
in flames uh. And I will say, mm hmm, it's tough because
48:00
I really like Colony, I really like Clayman, I really really like Horricle
48:06
and those were definitely in heavy rotation when the band started. So let's just
48:08
I'm gonna say Colony. Colony is that that's my favorite. I'm going to
48:14
say Hate Breed Satisfaction. M you guys didn't get there in time for Hate
48:21
Breed on Friday, did you dang? Now? We we foolishly drove.
48:25
We were very concerned about our gear winding up missing or something like that,
48:30
so we I rented a van and we drove and it was it was fun.
48:37
I won't be doing that again. There's a long ways from Buffalo all
48:40
the way to we drove. We drove to Louisville and then drove from Louisville
48:46
to Birmingham and honestly, we did it a straight shot back and that was
48:52
the way to go. That was so much better go right through? Huh?
48:55
All right, so I assume right, yeah, yeah, I think
49:00
everybody pretty much drove, which was not the case years ago. All right?
49:07
In Flames, Hate Breed? What a heat Breed album? Satisfaction?
49:13
Okay, I'm gonna say blood has been shed? What the hell is the
49:17
name of the album? The album the first album on Ferret not not Spirals?
49:23
Is it novella I'm looking right now, I'm not. Yeah, Novella
49:30
of Uriel of Uriel? Yeah, so that one turmoil? Turmoil is great?
49:37
What the hell is the name of the album? The process of mm
49:39
hmm? How many is that for? That's four? I'm probably messing this
49:45
up, but I'm trying to think of collectively. And then I'm gonna say
49:50
zo dah, which yeah is that? Man? You know what? You
49:58
and alike? We actually Mason gets roasted all the time for saying za instead
50:02
of zoo. Is it za or zo? I'm supposed to be zao as
50:07
far as I understand, Yeah, whatever, dude, you know, I
50:08
think it's how I want to say. And the funny thing is we've toured
50:12
with them and I'm pretty sure, like I don't know, honestly, they
50:15
probably don't give a flying fuck either, because they're the coolest dudes, super
50:20
nice guys. We're Blood and Fire fring Rest. Yeah, that's a great
50:23
album. So I'm gonna say that's my top that's our top five. It's
50:29
interesting it's those bands and those albums because I would say almost all of those
50:31
bands are like heavier in general than it dies today. Obviously there's probably certain
50:37
parts of it dies today where it kind of feels just as heavy, but
50:40
like I'm kind of wondering where, like where are the melodic pieces coming from
50:44
for you guys? So here's my thing. So then I got to kind
50:47
of go back and say, Blood not Poison the Well, like opposite of
50:52
December. We would not exist without that record. That makes it And I'm
50:55
looking at from it from a lens of like, these are bands why we
50:59
started this band, because when we started the band, we sounded a lot
51:01
different. We were just straight up breakdowns. So those those were what we
51:07
were into when we started the band. Are there are there some other like
51:10
Poison the Well? But are there some other albums that kind of like you
51:15
maybe you yourself are bringing in some of those like more melodic, uh softer
51:19
pieces that that at least inspired you to bring that into the band. Yeah,
51:23
I think everybody's got a pretty eclectic taste. I mean, we were
51:27
going to LA back then. We were listening to it like a lot of
51:30
Get Up Kids or hot Rod Circuit that kind of like emailish pop, punky
51:37
kind of stuff we were really into at the time. And Alkaline Trio.
51:44
Oh for sure, Rice everybody loves Rice Trying and just in general, like
51:49
it's all it's all over the place. But yeah, from from a lodic
51:52
thing, like i'd say a lot of punk too, like all the epitaph
51:57
punk from like the nineties all that stuff. Oh yeah, we're all super
52:00
into I dig that and said they're like the greatest band of all times or
52:05
like our Beatles basically, you know, every band's got to have their own
52:10
Beatles and it can't be the Beatles. That's a fucking rule. Yeah,
52:15
yeah, I agree with that. I don't know, I'm probably gonna get
52:17
shipped for that list, but you know what, I gotta get on a
52:22
ship list for a ship list every once in all. Right, there we
52:23
go. So those are the albums that those are the albums that influenced you,
52:29
guys. I am curious. You know, we've talked a lot about
52:30
Buffalo. Buffalo seems to be something that really matters for you guys to be
52:36
from. You know, a lot of bands say that they're from somewhere or
52:38
whatever, and then they end up moving elsewhere and they you know, they
52:42
say that they're from like North Carolina, and none of they all live in
52:45
California now or whatever. But you guys, you all still essentially live in
52:49
Buffalo, and you guys still you know, I still remember you at for
52:52
invest You guys wave in the Buffalo Phills or Buffalo Bills Flake, So you
52:55
guys are still very distinctly Buffalo people. Do you guys feel like in some
53:00
way, shape or form, the culture of Buffalo has like shaped the sound
53:05
of your music, or at least then like the culture of the band.
53:07
Like, I'm kind of curious just in the way that Buffalo as a city
53:12
has shaped you guys. First of all, I want to ask this,
53:15
though, what do you think is the culture of Buffalo? What we're the
53:21
city of good neighbors there we go. So I just think there's there's an
53:25
ethos and just an overall like a gritty friendliness is the best way I can
53:32
think of putting it. Like I dig that this. Yeah, no,
53:37
our we we're obsessed with our city. We rep our city like everywhere we
53:40
go. And I always said, you know, I toured for years and
53:46
have been to every major city and it's not for me. And I always
53:52
missed home and always said, like that's I'm gonna live, live and die
53:54
here. So I don't know how much has shaped our sound, but definitely
53:59
definitely like our work ethic, like we grinded for years before we assigned to
54:06
trustkill and like we're happy to do that, and because all that's shoveling,
54:10
yeah man, and uh, and just in general, like how how you
54:15
treat other people and like every everything comes from from from being here. And
54:21
I don't know, there's just there's no place like it. Although I was
54:24
just in Chicago, and I will say this, Chicago has big buffalo vibes.
54:30
I love that city. It's probably like my number two okay, interesting,
54:35
and it's just like an enormous buffalo in the best ways. So love
54:38
that. That's great. I feel like I feel like we almost have a
54:42
little bit of a connection. So Mason and I are from the northern plains
54:46
in South Dakota, where it's desolate and there's there's no culture whatsoever that's outside
54:53
of the community that we live in. And uh, yeah, it's cold,
54:58
it's snowy, it's windy as fuck, and there's not really like this
55:01
like general acceptance of like anything alternative. You're just supposed to like you're supposed
55:07
to buckle down and keep your nose to grinds down and grindstone and do what
55:10
you're supposed to do, you know. And if you if you go outside,
55:15
if you color outside the lines, man, you're you're beyond strange.
55:20
And so I feel like we have like a little bit of a connection in
55:22
that. And obviously Buffalo, New York and Watertown, South Dakota, where
55:27
we're from, are very very far places, right, I mean they're not
55:30
They're nowhere near one another. But I feel like we have some sort of
55:34
a connection in that, you know, kindred spirits. Yeah, we're kindred
55:37
spirits. That's the word I'm looking for. Yeah, thank you. We
55:39
should be a podcaster. Listen, man, somebody wants to get me like
55:45
Spotify check, let's go. Yeah, yeah, Joe Rogan money right,
55:50
yeah, I will say, you know, being from Buffalo, I feel
55:54
like the shoveling move has got to be like some sort of hardcore breakdown dance
55:59
move. You guys should like make that happy. Yeah, maybe there are
56:02
so many missed opportunities that are just waiting. They're they're they're like the low
56:07
hanging fruit. You guys just gotta grab it. Let'll tell you what,
56:10
man, we got we got this bliss miss show with better lovers coming up,
56:15
and maybe that's a time, you know, we put someone through a
56:19
table, We shovel some snow. Shut out your fucking shobble. Oh that's
56:23
what happens. Love it? Uh Nick, what do you want to plug?
56:29
Obviously it sounds like there is gonna be some sort of new music,
56:31
but it's und like for sure a new song is gonna be coming out here
56:34
very shortly. Uh yeah, what what do you what? All do you
56:36
want to plug it? It sounds like there's shows, Yeah what what's what's
56:38
on the horizons? So it dies today? Official dot Com is kind of
56:45
like our hub for everything, so new music, videos, merch, shows,
56:52
it's all there. So it does today Official dot Com. We should
56:57
be putting out a new song or two in the next month or so sick
57:04
and then uh, December eighth, we're playing with better Lovers, their their
57:09
Blissmuths first annual Blissmos show. We're gonna be playing with them Callous dow Boys.
57:15
So there's one I'm gonna bring it back. I said, z o
57:19
right, zayo. Yeah, you don't pronounce it day oh boys. It's
57:22
not kellous day oh boys. It's callous boys. That's right, that's right.
57:28
Well, but that's but that's because it's a I don't know, I'm
57:32
you know, I get it. So we have that show coming up December
57:37
eighth, and then then I don't really know. We don't really have anything
57:40
else on the horizon other than that. We're going to keep writing and putting
57:43
out songs, and hopefully next summer you see us on some festivals. We'll
57:47
see love it hell yeah, no, we would love to come check you
57:51
guys out again because that was so much fun. If we can even replicate
57:54
that. Uh, I'm totally in. So we love you guys. It
58:00
was so much fun. Anything else you'd like to plug, Yeah, check
58:04
out Fisher brand excuse me, Fisher Price brand toys. Okay, I remember
58:08
those back in the day. Yeah, they got like little play wagons and
58:12
all sorts of like little children's toys. I actually used to be a voice
58:15
actor pretending to be small children and would go and record the voices for those
58:22
toys. Fisher Price based out b for their commercials. No No, and
58:25
the toys like any of those toys that you like, you like press a
58:30
button or like pull a string or something so like so like uh like like
58:35
when you like turn the wheel and it's like the pig says like like were
58:39
you doing that? Do that? And the children's voices? I was doing
58:43
it all, dude, that's were you prolific voice actor? Were you the
58:47
one in the Sound Gardens song searching with my good Eye closed at the very
58:52
beginning? Not that one I didn't get, not that one. God damn,
58:59
what white years would have this been? Like? What like would I
59:01
would how you have like heard your voice back in like the mid nineties or
59:06
late nineties when I was a little uh toddler playing with Fisher Price? May
59:10
have you may have. Wow for sure, Wow. I feel honestly I
59:15
like that. I know that about you more than I like it dies today.
59:20
I think I had a whole career before this, this whole thing,
59:22
you know. Jesus, Wow, are you still living off those royalties then?
59:27
Or what I get? I get my checks for like thirty nine cents
59:31
quarterly. Wow, it sounds like Spotify. That's probably double what you get
59:36
for Spotify Spotify. Yeah, yeah, damn jeez. I mean, not
59:43
only are we kindred spirits and the fact that you're from Buffalo, were from
59:45
South Dakota, but like I feel like I've known you my whole life now
59:51
and your voice that's true. Yeah, yeah, you had a hand in
59:54
Mason's most formative years. Yeah, jeez, I love it. Well,
1:00:00
Nick, thank you so much for chatting a little bit more about the history
1:00:05
of it does today, what you guys are up to these days. Again,
1:00:07
it was so much fun watching at Furnace Fast, so much fun chatting
1:00:10
with you, hearing a little bit more about just kind of the history and
1:00:14
what you guys are up to. And yeah, thanks for so much for
1:00:16
hanging out and chatting with us. Absolutely, thank you guys for having me
1:00:20
and uh, like I said, I really appreciate appreciate you having me on
1:00:23
here and latch you enjoyed furnace Fest. It was it was a last so
1:00:27
thanks guys. Yeah, Bill's mafia all the way, Thank god.