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Darth Vader Runs for Office · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 2: question they was it was the other day was Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Emperor Palpatine has declared that he's going to have open
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  Speaker 2: elections for the next Emperor of the Galaxy. He's going
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  Speaker 2: to graciously step down and he's going to let Darth
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  Speaker 2: Vader run for Emperor of the galaxy. Don't ask me.
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  Speaker 2: The queen is elected on Naboo, we can have elections
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  Speaker 2: for emperor. Okay. Star Wars titles mean nothing, So who
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  Speaker 2: would you run against Darth Vader? In an election to
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  Speaker 2: run the Star Wars Galaxy's executive branch.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmmm, this is a tough question. So I mean, are
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  Speaker 1: are we sticking to time period like it has to
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  Speaker 1: be time period specific, you know, or can it just
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  Speaker 1: be anybody?
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  Speaker 2: I would say that it would have to be time
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  Speaker 2: period specific, of course to contemporary evader. So for instance,
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  Speaker 2: mad Mathra is a valid selection, but you know, general
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  Speaker 2: Hawks is not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I am going to blow your socks off
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  Speaker 1: with this answer. Oh no, no, seriously, you're You're not
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  Speaker 1: you You're not going to see this coming. This is
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  Speaker 1: not going to go the way you think. Oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: my answer. Mo's Kanada, No kidding?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, that is right.
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  Speaker 1: She has lived for a thousand years, so she is
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  Speaker 1: as old as Yoda. Basically, Uh, she's incredibly wise. She
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  Speaker 1: obviously knows how to run an empire because she runs
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  Speaker 1: this empire over on that planet. Uh Taco do Taco.
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  Speaker 2: She runs in an empire over on Toxic Tues.
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  Speaker 1: Taco Tuesday is a thing there, right, Okay, So I
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  Speaker 1: mean you you get the you get the nerve steak
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  Speaker 1: taco with the sauce on it, and like that's why
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  Speaker 1: people never leave her castle anyway, look, and people from
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  Speaker 1: all over the galaxy come under her banner and enjoy peace.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, I'm this is I'm not winding it up.
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  Speaker 1: This is not a bit Ma's Kanada.
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  Speaker 2: Dang that I didn't see that one coming. That's a
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  Speaker 2: really good thought, man, that's a really good thought. What
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  Speaker 2: I thought. I thought by freezing out the sequel trilogy
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  Speaker 2: era that uh you wow? That that that I totally
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  Speaker 2: wasn't even thinking along those lines. That's that's really valid.
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  Speaker 2: I could see mos Kanada. Now, the campaign is difficult
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  Speaker 2: because with Vader you have a trusted right hand of
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  Speaker 2: the Emperor. He's a guy who gets things done. We
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  Speaker 2: got to presume this campaign is pre Death Star, right, Well,
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  Speaker 2: hold on, let's let's set it. Let's set the page here.
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  Speaker 2: Is this free death Star unveiled or is this post
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  Speaker 2: death Star? The Emperor admit is you know, publicly admitting
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  Speaker 2: he can't manage the empire the way he wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: He has to retire for special projects over an exegal
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  Speaker 2: and so he's having he's you know, he's stepping down.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna let Darth Vader run the galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: Is this is this post death Star that.
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  Speaker 1: I I say it's post death Star because that makes
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  Speaker 1: it more difficult for Vader, And that's like you get
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  Speaker 1: a fair shot, right.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what Vader is gonna say is, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the Death Star was not his idea. He wanted to
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  Speaker 1: go with a tie defender project from Thron. Uh that
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's he's always had a soft spot for others,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And of course this is before he's murdered
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of his underlings and Empire strikes back, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because he's was really angry, and so see, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that makes it more interesting. Do you agree that
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  Speaker 1: that makes it like a fair fight.
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  Speaker 2: And in that sense, I like the fact that we're
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  Speaker 2: sticking it in post Death Star pre Empire you just
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  Speaker 2: established its pre empire, yes, yes, or pre Empire strikes
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  Speaker 2: back because of the fact that there is established in
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  Speaker 2: the cannon three years exactly, meaning this could happen if
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to, we could make this happen. Lucas Film Animation,
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  Speaker 2: we make this pitch every so often. Come on, guys,
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  Speaker 2: help us out here. If Robot Chicken were still alive,
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  Speaker 2: this could be Oh my gosh, right, this would be
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  Speaker 2: the best bit. Okay, I like rooting it in that
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  Speaker 2: time period between the destruction of the Death Star and
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  Speaker 2: the events of the Empire strikes back, because this is believable.
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  Speaker 2: This is something that can really really work. This is
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  Speaker 2: something that is like you could like Robot Chicken is
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  Speaker 2: in play. All of these things are in play. What
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  Speaker 2: I think really works about it is mas Kanada is there.
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  Speaker 2: We know she's around Vader, Like you're saying, he can
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  Speaker 2: sit there and he can say, hey, the Death Star
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  Speaker 2: wasn't my bag. He can shift that over to the emperor.
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  Speaker 2: If anything. I suddenly start playing with this in my
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  Speaker 2: mind where it's kind of brilliant of the emperor to abdicate,
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  Speaker 2: be like, look, I'm benevolent. I know I said emperor,
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  Speaker 2: but there were always going to need an emperor, but
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  Speaker 2: it was never supposed to be me forever. Obviously, I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm benevolent. Senator Palpatine, I didn't at all envision this.
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  Speaker 2: This has gone on too long. I'm gonna step down.
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  Speaker 2: He can suddenly undercut so many complaints against the Empire
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  Speaker 2: by saying, look, I'm giving you a choice. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even even Cuba has elections, right, even the Soviet Union
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  Speaker 2: had elections, So it's like, you know, that's just the
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  Speaker 2: way it is. Kannada, though, is tough because would mos
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  Speaker 2: Kanada accept the nomination?
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  Speaker 1: I see?
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  Speaker 2: The thing is I view it as a three party
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  Speaker 2: thing I view I could view Kanada as a spoiler
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  Speaker 2: coming in if not the right person ran from the
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  Speaker 2: established Imperial Well, no way, the Imperial Senate's dissolved by
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  Speaker 2: this point, Yeah, exactly what any of the Imperial Senator
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  Speaker 2: has been or Organa is dead? Yep, mon Mathma's in exile.
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  Speaker 2: Who's left that could run right? Unblemished?
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  Speaker 1: See, this is the thing that makes mos Kanada work,
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  Speaker 1: right because she tells Ray it's the only fight, the
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  Speaker 1: fight against the dark side. And so she's been in
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  Speaker 1: this fight and in some way, shape or form for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, right, you know she's like and I've
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  Speaker 1: been in this fight since I was six years old,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like who knows what she was doing during
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  Speaker 1: the rebellion. In fact, I feel like that's a story
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  Speaker 1: that we need to have told. Would be really awesome
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  Speaker 1: to have Mo's Kanada in her rebel connections anyway, So
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  Speaker 1: I think, again, I wasn't just saying this as a
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  Speaker 1: wind up like she came to mind because she's been
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  Speaker 1: around long enough, she's proven herself to be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a person who can bring people together, and yet at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, she truly has the right values that
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  Speaker 1: you would want to be a quote unquote emperor of
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  Speaker 1: the galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean and Leah can't run because she's
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  Speaker 2: part of an insurgency, so she can't legally run for
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  Speaker 2: office because she's wanted for war crimes.
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  Speaker 1: At this exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So I like Kanada. But the thing is now it
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  Speaker 2: spins my head toward Okay, I'll accept not as a
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to counter argue that. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to throw anything out there. Like if Organa was still alive,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, I can see a three party thing,
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  Speaker 2: and then the Emperor can be like, look, the vote split.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody could really decide, and it's going to be me
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  Speaker 2: after all you all you know wrote me in or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. I think that where I then go
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  Speaker 2: is an election across it, Like I think the flaw
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  Speaker 2: of the question and tell me whether I'm right or not.
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  Speaker 2: The flaw of the question is there's no way you
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  Speaker 2: can have a galactic vote that would be impossible. That's
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  Speaker 2: why the republic works, because your your vote is for
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  Speaker 2: your senator on your planet to go off, and then
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  Speaker 2: your senator could become the chancellor. But at the very
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  Speaker 2: least your vote was local. So Palpatine can throw everything
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  Speaker 2: into chaos by even proposing an election, a galactic election,
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  Speaker 2: because who's going to trust that result? Who's going to
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  Speaker 2: believe that that result is valid? And how on earth
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  Speaker 2: would you even tally it appropriately?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, talk to me out of it, Like, is there
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  Speaker 2: a way you could have a valid galactic scale election? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? And the reason is is because you think about
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the Senate is gone, right and so
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  Speaker 1: and at that point all of the regional governors are
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  Speaker 1: in charge, and so all votes then must be cast
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  Speaker 1: on imperial voting machines where they're automatically tabulated.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's no uh you know, hard copy involved. It
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  Speaker 1: would it would all be secure servers, uh for the elections.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I think you can actually make this
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  Speaker 1: work now. Look, I think the big question is is
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  Speaker 1: do people trust that the election was fair, right, and
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  Speaker 1: that the right person won, and that you know, if
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  Speaker 1: Vader actually did lose to Mo's Kanada that he would
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  Speaker 1: step aside. You know, that's a huge question. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think you raising the idea. Who wouldn't take this
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  Speaker 1: over the possibility of years more of civil war? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a chance for peace in
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  Speaker 1: this way, in the sense that you know, you're allowed
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  Speaker 1: to run whoever you want, and you really do get
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  Speaker 1: the choice between you know, Darth Vader, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Emperor's hit man, and you know Ma's Kanada. A woman
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  Speaker 1: who has you know, run a successful business empire, has
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  Speaker 1: obviously been able to keep the peace between you know,
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  Speaker 1: different factions that visit her empire, and it seems to
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  Speaker 1: be somebody who cares about everyone involved to some level
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  Speaker 1: and treats people fairly. You know, I think that this
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  Speaker 1: is it really is. It's a funny idea obviously, and
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  Speaker 1: we're having a good time with it, but it is
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  Speaker 1: an interesting thought process to go through, like because I
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  Speaker 1: do think it could happen. So, I mean, do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like that there's just no because I think, like
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  Speaker 1: the empires everywhere, right, they've got enough ships to be
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  Speaker 1: on you know, most planets, or at least visit that planet,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for election day on that planet, and even
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  Speaker 1: you can't have a star destroyer or whatever, every single
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  Speaker 1: planet you could have like, you know, you've got garrisons
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  Speaker 1: of storm troopers everywhere, right, I've got imperial technology everywhere
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  Speaker 1: by this point, So it doesn't seem that far fetched
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  Speaker 1: that it would be possible to have some sort of
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  Speaker 1: galactic voting process. See.
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  Speaker 2: I think by that point people will have just given
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  Speaker 2: up on the idea that a fair election is even possible.
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  Speaker 2: I think they could conduct an election, but everybody would
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, look, you know, Vader got ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: point seven percent of the vote. Yeah, of course he did.
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  Speaker 2: And it would be just like in those countries where
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  Speaker 2: the vote is, you know, is what it is sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing, and people just go along with it because
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to face the possibility, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: they just accept there's nothing they can do, so they'll
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  Speaker 2: just they'll let it go. I think that what it
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  Speaker 2: gets to, in all honesty, you know, going back to
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  Speaker 2: like a more serious look at it, is that Palpatine
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  Speaker 2: makes a very strategic and important mistake in dissolving the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: The Imperial Senate was a rubber stamp, but it's an
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  Speaker 2: important rubber stamp. Because again, your senator is planetary. Even
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  Speaker 2: if there's a problem with your election on your planet,
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  Speaker 2: for your senator, for your representative, at the very least
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  Speaker 2: you can tell yourself, well, the other elections must be okay,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't something where the same sort of thing is
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  Speaker 2: going on in every other planet. Surely it couldn't. That's impossible, right,
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  Speaker 2: But instead every senator that's running, like I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a more diffuse and more manageable way for Palpatine to
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  Speaker 2: remain in power due to corruption because you make it
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  Speaker 2: wide and not deep, and once you have it wide,
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  Speaker 2: it becomes more difficult to track down every aspect, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a blanket as opposed to a whole. Like
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  Speaker 2: a hole, I can go down, and I can I
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  Speaker 2: can keep digging, and or or I can keep climbing
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  Speaker 2: a mountain, whichever vertical way axis you want to go on.
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  Speaker 2: But if I have something spread out over a huge area,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot tougher to get to. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think this gets to the idea that like getting rid
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  Speaker 2: of the regional I'm sorry, the planetary elections in favor
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  Speaker 2: of regional governors who are appointed, is the problem. Like
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  Speaker 2: that becomes the issue if he were, will you know,
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  Speaker 2: announce an election like this silly question puts out there.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just unwieldy. It's just not the logistics wise,
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  Speaker 2: it's unwieldy. In terms of people's faith in the system,
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  Speaker 2: it's unwieldy. I mean, if he's a if he's announcing
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  Speaker 2: this twenty years into it, who is gonna believe that
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  Speaker 2: it could be anything else. My final question to you
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  Speaker 2: that I would throw back is obviously, Okay, let's let's
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  Speaker 2: accept that we figured out a story way to have
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  Speaker 2: this happen post Star Wars, pre Empire strikes back. How
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  Speaker 2: do you propose that Palpatine stays in power so he's
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  Speaker 2: still emperor when the Empire strikes back shows up. Because
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  Speaker 2: let's just accept that it happened, but the end result
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  Speaker 2: was Palpatine is still in power.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the things that would be easy
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  Speaker 1: was then to come out with the story, oh, the
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  Speaker 1: election was fraudulent. You know, there was a vote tampering.
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  Speaker 1: You know, mas Kanadas group was vote harvesting and an
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  Speaker 1: illegal fashion on all of these planets. And I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: the funny thing is we're talking about this and it's
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, we just see this happen in our world today,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all over the place, no matter what country
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  Speaker 1: you're in, regardless, And so it's not hard to think
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  Speaker 1: of ways in which Palpatine could make up stories to
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  Speaker 1: fit his predesired outcome, which is I pretended I gave
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  Speaker 1: everybody fair elections, and you know we couldn't have fair elections.
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  Speaker 1: This is why we can't have nice things, guys, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so you know he he by doing that, like see,
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  Speaker 1: this is where I think it would fit into his plan,
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  Speaker 1: because the whole goal is to make himself seem like
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  Speaker 1: the savior again, right right, like that he's the only answer.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think that's that's the way in which
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  Speaker 1: he does this. You know, he he creates the narrative
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  Speaker 1: that I'm saving you from something worse.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, but I would I would say
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  Speaker 2: that he would get it to a point wherein knowing
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  Speaker 2: that he would survive, he would arrange an assassination attempt
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote on Vader and it would allow Vader to
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  Speaker 2: stay with him. Oh, I can't abandon my trusted aid.
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  Speaker 2: Look at what they've done. They tried to kill him.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pull him closer to me and while we figure
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  Speaker 2: this out, I'm going to remain in power just until
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  Speaker 2: we can figure out how to make this rebellion go away.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that angle, I think screams much more Palpatine,
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  Speaker 2: much more sidious, much more scyth to arrange the fake
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  Speaker 2: assassination attempt. Although I would go another step and I
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  Speaker 2: would say I would have a scene in whatever we're
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  Speaker 2: plotting here where we find out it's a real assassination attempt,
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  Speaker 2: because it's the syth, of course, and Palpatine really tries
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  Speaker 2: to take Vader out, and Vader survives, and then it's
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  Speaker 2: it's that dysfunctional marriage thing again where it's like, Lord, Veada,
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  Speaker 2: you survived, all right, you know, like and they're like
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  Speaker 2: they go on, you're stronger than I thought you were,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe you will be able to take my place sometime.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what causes mos Kanada to buy her castle.
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  Speaker 2: Right at tack o'donna there.
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  Speaker 1: You go exactly. She's like, I'm out of here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like this isn't worth it. I'm going to go create
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  Speaker 1: a space, you know for people to just come and
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  Speaker 1: relax and you know, have a nice ale.
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  Speaker 2: But see that's the thing too, is they would have
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  Speaker 2: to do it in such a way that she was blameless,
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  Speaker 2: that you couldn't blame mos Kanada for it, right, And
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  Speaker 2: I think you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to turn her in some kind of martyr
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, you also don't want to turn her into
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: too much of an enemy. She's useful exactly where she is.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, oh I like this. See. The thing is,
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  Speaker 2: people back in ninety nine, when the more political aspects
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of Star Wars came about, they mocked it. I was there,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm like el Ron, it was three thousand
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: years ago. I was there. And but I live for
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  Speaker 2: this sort of stuff because this is really that, this
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  Speaker 2: is like that. This is super interesting to me because
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I see a way where this story could exist and
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  Speaker 2: it's different, and we haven't seen something like this in
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Star Wars yet, but it still fits. And there's that
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  Speaker 2: gap between the movies where I could see it working, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: where at least is a comic series.
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  Speaker 1: And I think a big part of this, right is
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  Speaker 1: that that's what and Or brought back, right, was the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: ultra political side of Star Wars, in the sense of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the political machinations behind the scenes, you know, and especially
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: when you got into season two and you were focusing
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: much more on on Mathma and what's happening in the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Senate and all of these crazy things that we see
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: happening in the way in which Palpatine is slowly edging
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  Speaker 1: out everyone that's not in favor of his new order,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And so, uh yeah, I think this is
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  Speaker 1: fun and it like Star Wars is fun, man, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: people just need to learn to have more fun with
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Star Wars, I think, and just enjoy it. And the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: beauty of this too is that, you know, even Lucasfilm
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  Speaker 1: has gotten into this by you know, allowing comics to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: do else world stories and what if stories and vision stories,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like what what happened if you know, Luke
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: could turn to the dark side and layout was the here?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, that's that's fun. What if stories
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  Speaker 1: are really enjoyable because they help us to kind of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: see the galaxy, you know, from a different point of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: view and a new perspective. But then if you do
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it right, it reminds you of why you loved the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: original in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I do know, And I also know that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: another great way to keep this conversation going is to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: reach out to you online. So, Matt, why don't you
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: tell people all the places where they can find you?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope they'll do that. You can find me
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: all over social media name Matt Rushing zero two is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the place to look if I'm on that platform. That's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the name you'll find me under. Of course, here on
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the network, I've got the completed show outpost talking about
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: every single chapter the Harry Potter series. And then you've
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: got me over on the TFM network with a bunch
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of shows. One's the six oh two Club talking about
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: all of the franchises we love. John's a frequent guest
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: over there, and you can also find me with a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: lot of great star trek talk with my good friend
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones. But John, if people want to know what
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: your thought process is like, if you were to name
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: somebody who should run against Vader, where would people find you?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Well, gosh, I wouldn't name anybody to run against Vader
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: because I'd be voting for him. And you can talk
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to me about that over as my user named kessel
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  Speaker 2: Junkie on your social network of choice letterbox Goodreads. Those
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: are my two main ones. You can visit me over
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: on Kesseljunkie dot com if you want to. I'm trying.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to make writing more of a normal
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: thing because it's a very big stress release for me.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. But of course you can also find
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: me here on the network co hosting a show called
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: house Lights with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser, where we
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: look at the works of different directors and how they
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: handle different characters in different franchises. But Matt, I have
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to go back to campaign headquarters and start getting on
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the hulaanet banks to send out my spam messages asking
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: for just a five dollars donation sort five dot Terry
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: donation for candidate Vader for a new and even better empire.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: So I think it's time to close these negotiations, John,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: negotiations are closed. This would be the best thing, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I will say that I really like you sticking
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it there. I like that the I'm going to rephrase
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  Speaker 2: that I really like us being thank you.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's the best out take we've ever had.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the end of the episode. I don't care.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It's that we're putting that at the end of the episode.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: This is what happens when you talk about thinking.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, deep breath, deep breath, deep breath.
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