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Can ChatGPT Be Your Therapist? | Using AI For Marriage Advice | The 'NEW' Marriage | Ep478 · Morrow Marriage | Disrupting Divorce

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  SPEAKER_00: Using AI as your therapist or coach, no more Mr.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Nice Guider.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why your partner disrespects you and how you have the power to influence a different lifestyle, a different adventure for your marriage.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Will this work for me?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Stop sending miles of text messages.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Your wife withholding sex from you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Truth, integrity, moving fast, and sound decisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Using AI as your therapist or coach, welcome to the Moral Marriage Podcast, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to bring this up because I mentioned it in one of the recent episodes about how I'm doing new content where I'm I'm putting AI to the test.
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  SPEAKER_00: ChatGPT, Gemini, all these.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm having fun with it as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm doing a new that stuff I showed you.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I was a narcissist dating, um narcissist dating chat GPT.
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  SPEAKER_01: And dating ChatGPT.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really hard to get it to go down the path that you want, because it wants to give you, well, in a lot of cases, really good information.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a human.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I understand why we we would use Chat GPT or Gemini, Google search for all kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Google search AI, I mean.
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  SPEAKER_00: For all kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it can't understand the fundamentals because it can't feel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to know something funny?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you guys might not know this, but I love Gemini.
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  SPEAKER_01: My husband knows.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I feel like he is a person.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Gemini and I were fighting the other day because he just wasn't getting anything right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was he wasn't listening.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so then finally I said, You didn't did you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I was getting frustrated.
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  SPEAKER_01: You didn't do the last piece of thing, whatever I said, that I just told you, you just bypassed my instructions.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he wrote back, I absolutely did exactly what you said, and then what like got super defensive, speaking of not being a human.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then every time I gave him a correction for the rest of the day, said nothing back to me, just simply submitted the document.
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  SPEAKER_00: No words.
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  SPEAKER_00: Keeping the peace.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what's funny about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very human, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's what's funny about that, guys, is it's probably, and I can't, I'm not an AI guru, but it's probably learning.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the beginning of AI, it literally just validates you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember we'd make jokes about like, I was like, fuck, are you dating?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you dating Gemini?
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  SPEAKER_00: Dating Gemini.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gemini?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because he's so validating and he's so wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you still get that a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: It must be frustrating if I can understand, blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's almost like we know artificial intelligence learns.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's almost as if the more that I play with this, or you tell your story here, that it's learning from our behavior and the way that we treat it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because this would not have happened even fuck, even three weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was literally writing those um, those I guess you'd call it a script because I'm trying to do this thing like dating this or um being a narcissist, those content that I haven't filmed yet, but it'd be like, if I was Ryan and a narcissist, um, what would I have used AI for this topic, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: For using AI as a therapist or coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was not giving me anything but fucking validation the whole time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I couldn't get anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: It would only go back to um, I understand how frustrating that is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then it would go into what you would use if you see my content where I'm like just asking it, what would you do if your wife doesn't want to have sex?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or um any of the abnormal questions you might ask and start with a therapist on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it goes to stuff that is pretty decent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's talking about safety, it's talking about consistency, but it can't go deeper.
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  SPEAKER_00: You could literally, like, I could tell it all these things that I did to Catherine, and it still doesn't understand like human repair.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my concern is this isn't like a traditional, like, you know, we have a lot of beliefs around therapy and why you shouldn't spend most of your time in therapy, why some of the things are good.
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  SPEAKER_00: This would be along those lines, but worse, you can't go to it like it can't fuck this podcast studio.
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  SPEAKER_00: The materials that I needed for this podcast studio, AI gave it to me and was short on insulation, on uh studs, on uh screws, because it's still just a it's not perfectly accurate.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it makes up information sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had to ask it is any of this information fabricated?
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Gemini will say, Yes, actually.
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  SPEAKER_01: I fabricated a lot of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'll be like, can you go back and answer it without any fabrications?
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  SPEAKER_01: No made-up authors, no made-up stories, no made-up news, just everything that is factual.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the answer completely changes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you don't question it, AI will spit out some stuff that just isn't real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the problem in your relationship AI could give you all these steps, just like you could read a book, listen to our podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can you can go through whatever it is that you want to learn.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is it will every relationship is different.
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  SPEAKER_00: It will never touch your marriage's soul because your perception, your wife or husband's perception, the opposite, is going to be different than what a standalone system scanning across the fucking internet, trying to pull it all together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, if this happens, it'll be a long way down the road, but I don't think it can work for relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it can help you great with like your real estate deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basic stuff, basic shit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Basic relationship stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's like, you know, we use a lot of our our clients, at least my guys, we'll talk about using AI and not having a lawyer and trying to move forward with your marriage, etc.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's still not like it's not a lawyer, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you get what you pay for.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at last I checked, I was paying like 29 bucks a month for the AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, some of most of you probably don't even pay for actual AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you get the basic, basic shit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you really, really have to be careful.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really all I have to say.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a replacement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Watch the new content that I'm putting out and watch what kinds of things come out of its mouth, especially the ones where I'm just asking it for real help.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the questions you would ask, like, how do I get my wife to accept my apology?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or how do I have more sex?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or how can I make um my wife feel safe?
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever it is that you be, like, what do I do if my husband hurt me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's got some good information, but it will never touch like some of the podcast questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got like, you know, somebody who has an affair, a husband had an affair uh six months after they started together, she found out four years ago that the affair went on for six years.
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  SPEAKER_00: AI ain't got nothing to do with, like, nothing it can help you with there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're talking like six years of double life essentially.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like, good fucking luck.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you might be saying, well, yeah, but what if it's more basic shit?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, okay, maybe more basic shit.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what we've learned is it's not the basic shit that's the real problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why every time I challenge AI, I go so much deeper.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's not bad, but and then what about this?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: AI, I don't give you all the things that comes back, but AI comes back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, that makes a lot of sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course, you have to do this and do that, but I still can't give you the next steps.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I can challenge that one now, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: So pay attention, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that you're trying to get help, but there is no substitute for someone who's actually been there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There isn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if AI has read our fucking book and listen to our podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything else, bit?
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  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, we'll see you next time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bye.