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Robert Dean: Growing Up in the Hardcore Music Scene · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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M m m m m m m m m m m h. Welcome to
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the Black Sheep Podcast. Today we have a writer, comedian, and extraordinaire
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Robert Dean. Uh he is, He's an interesting cat. Robert, do
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you want to introduce yourself as well? How they folks, the great the
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great land of the Internet. I am Robert Dean, Journalist, writer,
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racin teer and lightened dumbass. You know that's a that's an interesting thought to
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start with. Is is the Internet to land? Where is it? Is
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it like an astral plane of some sort, maybe like a more pornographic fucking
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hellscape? Well it is? Yeah, Yeah, I've never been to that
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part of the internet though, so I don't know that's right. Yeah,
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you were. You were never an evangelical team at any point in your life,
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so you definitely want Covenant eyes. Never never flagged you for anything.
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No Triple X Church did once or twice. But it's because I was looking
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up national geographic stuff. So Roberts, you just pinbadly look up those big
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naturals, you know, you know, you know, everyone's guilty of looking
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at some national geographic titties. Yeah, I gotta go, I gotta know
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what's going on in in Goola? You know? Okay, you do?
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I want to know what's going on in Goola now. And I've got people
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that are sharing butt plugs on a screen away. Oh that's uh, that
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sounds like a blast. So as I think you're on the right track,
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as I think everyone could tell at this point we are. We're gonna have
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a lot of fun this episode. So, Robert, we brought you on
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your hardcore uh aficionado, You're you're a fan, you love, you love
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a lot of the same music we love. You've you've written some cool stuff.
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Do you want to do? You want to tell us why we brought
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you on here? Yeah? I mean I grew up in hardcore. My
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first hardcore show was in like ninety six on I'm trying to think when when
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I like when it was I think it was Earth Crisis on Gamorrow season ends
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at the fire recycle in Chicago. Sh and uh, yeah, I mean
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I've been into it since we got into it all like right around Victory Style
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too is when like progression through on learning Goamorro's season ends in this defiance like
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those three records we were all fucking obsessed with, and then you know,
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we already listening to punkin metal and then heard that, and then you know
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that was in ninety six when I was fifteen, so forty two. You
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know, I just saw Chamber and Creeping Death and Despised Icon the other night,
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and then I saw Botch last week, and like, I've been just
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like dealing with a shitty life lately, and I just got fucking hammered and
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beat the piss out of people. I fucking pit bust like a motherfucker in
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there. You are a big guy, so like I would not want to
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get hit too hard by you in the pit. Yeah, yeah, I
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mean I am. I'm six four, so like es dude, it is
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what it is, man Like, I'm the never rarely am I the smallest
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person in the room. What happens when what happens when the immovable object meets
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the uh unstoppable force and the pit with you? Which one are you first?
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Are you the immovable object or are you the unstoppable force? I'm the
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unstoppable force. I'm fucking like in the pit, dude, I just like
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act goofy, like I just I love breakdowns and I love the rhythm of
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the music so much that like when you just hear those chug parts, you
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just start fucking rooster necking it, and I just something like the demon gets
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in me. And I just like love watching keep I love watching kids go
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fucking wild and jumping on top of each other and shit, I don't know,
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it's just something that like I just get I get excited about it,
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like I was I had to be a dad on a Saturday night at the
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Chamber show because I would have fucking straight up in the middle of that.
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Like I love swinging on metal doors. So I don't care, you know,
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it's just it to me, it's just fun. I don't know,
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there's just something about hardcore that's still just gets me totally, just fucking just
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ready to go. All right. So here's a question right away, who
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has the best the best hardcore fans in your opinion from your experience in terms
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of a band or a city, in terms of a crowd, Like when
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the crowd just goes ape, which which which band is it that you're like,
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holy shit, I did not know they were gonna bring it like that,
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and I didn't know the crowd was gonna lose it like that. I
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think that Drain band is really killing it right now with like all the wild
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fun stuff with like I don't know, like I'm I'm definitely a key hardcore,
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negative kind of guy, Like I love like full on violence. But
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I mean I think it's fun, like with the blow up shit and like
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beach balls and all that, like they make it a party. I think
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that's real fun. When I saw I was there in California for the California
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Takeover the first time they redid it in LA and that was like right before
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Pandemics shut down and strife fucking they were all the old heads were just murdering
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each other. That was that was fun. It was really weird because I
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was with one of my friends and she's was a bartender at the Tea Garden.
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No she's I can't remember the name of the Monty Bar, and like
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me and her just get fucking blasted and like there's just nerds and straight edge
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baseball jackets. I was like, what the fuck is going on here?
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Start dosing their waters with caffeine and stuff. Yeah, I mean, like
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all the bar centers are just like this is real fun and it's like a
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bunch of just straight edge dudes. And like meanwhile, we're bar hopping like
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to every bar because she works next door. So like I we've stepped out
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of there, just absolutely mangled it up at a hardcore show. That is
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the nice thing about when straight edge bands play at at clubs that serve alcohol
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is like there's only gonna be like two people there that are actually gonna drink,
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so you like never actually have to wait in line to get That's true.
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Nice. Yeah, that's really not a thing in Austin. This is
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a really hard partying town. Like even if Earth crisis comes in play here,
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there's still gonna be people with tall boys like every third person. Well,
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I think there's only like like fifteen straight edge people left in the world
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anyway, so that's true. Yeah, I mean straight edge. I was
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straight edge in high school. But I was gonna ask about that. Yeah
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what what what caused you to go to the dark side or go dull ledges
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I like to call it. So, I like, I'm from the working
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class like southside of Chicago, and I grew up like my parents are like
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cool rock and roll parents. I didn't have to rebel like Jim cro Man.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, I got that. I love that
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ship, dude, fucking mess around with gyms one of my favorite songs of
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all time. Hell yeah, that goes hard, especially when it's just someone.
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Someone needs to turn that into a hardcore song. That was that was
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made to be a hardcore song. Yeah, I mean, it'd have to
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be the right kind of band to do it, because you don't you should
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like that that like label that drips into that corny ship that they were doing
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in the early two thousands with like hardcore goes rap and all that stuff,
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and you're no one's gonna no one's gonna come out with hardcore goes folk.
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I mean, come on, now, brou people are wearing fucking dresses and
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ship that shows Now I don't even understand anything anymore. So if you said
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hardcore goes folk, actually, I think I'd I think I'd be here for
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it. I think I'd be down. I'd like to hear some fleet.
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I would like to hear some heavy fleet foxes or some ship We're not right,
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yeah, But the the straight edge thing was like like we my parents
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like raised my dad writes Harley's and shit, and like he's super cool,
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and like we grew up like around super like gnarly people like My mom's favorite
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band is Black Sabbath, and like blues rock and rolling country is what we
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were raised on. So like I never had to like rebel. So like
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my parents, the neighborhood I'm from is like super working class, Like you're
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there, a criminal, a copper, a bricklayer, those are like your
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three you know, straight up sound like that sounds like a folk song if
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I ever heard one. Yeah, I mean south Side Chicago. So it
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is what it is. But we just were never sheltered away from like their
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friends, bad choices. And my parents. My mom had me when she
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was eighteen about the nineteen, so like I kind of grew up with them.
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Like I'm forty two and my mom is sixty one, you know,
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and so yeah, and like my dad's sixty five, so like I kind
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of grew up with them. And they never like hid when friends were dying
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of overdoses and shit, and like people were partying out and like a guy
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died of cirrhosis of the liver. My dad's best friend was killed in the
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motorcycle accident, so like we were never shied away from that. It was
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like this is what happens when you make poor choices. Even though they were
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partying themselves. And right around that like weird finding out that like I liked,
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I was into punk rock and liking hardcore and stuff like that, and
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like I was. I it was for the first time in my life that
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I'd like somebody could be like, oh, you're intellectual and it could be
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cool despite my like language and jokes and shit, I actually do have a
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job. And it was the first time that, like, because I was
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always the smartest kid in my class, but like nobody in Southside of Chicago,
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Like when I told people want to be a writer, they were like,
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what's like, how do you even do that? Like it was just
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so out of the purview of anything, and so straight edge made a sense
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to me because I was still trying to figure out like my place in the
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world and then figuring out like, oh, hey, like I can still
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be smart and I can still do all this, and this made sense.
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And by the time I got around twenty and my friend started just twenty one
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twenty one, we all like went in like a two year wave of like
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all of us and it's just like you're in the bar and shit, and
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you're hanging out and everybody's having fun and you're like the one dickhead with his
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arms crossed. And then finally it was just like we were at a house
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party and somebody was like, they were like, we will pay you,
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Like they've like kittied up like three hundred dollars and three hundred dollars to a
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ninth like a twenty year old. You're like, that's a lot of fucking
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money. And that's three hundred dollars to a forty two year old is a
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lot and to a twenty year old and like this is two thousand and one
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and it can work, yeah, dude. And so I was like,
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fuck dad, I'm like I'm get past the Miller's doug And you know,
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I sold out your straight edge. You sold out your strate edge for a
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for a Miller light Huh yep, about ten of them that night. There's
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worse ways to go, I suppose, right, Yeah, you know,
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so you never looked back, No, no, no, I've made playing
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a poor choices since then, I pretty much made a career of it.
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Well, that's where I'd like to talk about, you know, existential thirst
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Trap. Uh, what what inspired you to want to write Existential thirst Trap?
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I've been writing I did some fiction. I got two fiction books published,
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and I actually have my first piece of fiction coming out next year for
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my first thing in like eight years that i'd done. And like I was
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still doing journalism pieces, and but I never felt like this is the most
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whack gen z shit I can say, But like, for the first time
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I felt seen of like who I actually am when I would do like essays
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and journalism where they kind of ven diagram into one another, and so like
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I found who I wanted to be because like I was writing these stories,
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but like I was still way more into like influenced by like Hunter Thompson and
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Anthony Bourdain and like Dukowski and the Beats. Those were always my influences,
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and so it was like I just started because everyone be like, you have
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such wild fucking stories and you're like a wild person, and I was just
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like, I have points of view, and marrying the two together just made
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more sense to me. And so I started writing essays than I started having
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success with essays and first person articles and things like that, and then it
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just kind of kind of came like the final form, or at least the
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realized form of like who I was as a writer and So the book was
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something I was tinkering with before COVID, and then during COVID it got real,
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and then I finally did it, and then you know, it got
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put out in May. Wow, that's a that's a pretty quick process.
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Honest. Yeah, I mean it was so it more or less was one
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of those things is I went to a couple of publishers and they were like,
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well, what is And I mean I heard it. I've said it
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in multiple interviews. I was told straight up like I had a TV production
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deal before COVID hit, and like I was doing shit in LA to like
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hopefully have a fuck a TV show. I'm a cartoon character, so people,
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you know, find it's like interesting to whatever I do. And I
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got really tired of hearing why does the world need stories from another straight white
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man? And so I was like that sucks, dude, Like it's not
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that I didn't spend twenty years to get really good at doing this, and
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so I just was like fuck it. And I went to Big Laugh,
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the comedy production company I work with, when we did a whole bunch of
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different kinds of content. We did videos and podcasts and all kinds of shit,
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and I was like, what if we just put this out in d
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I Wyatt? And so then we agree to do that because it's just like
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this virtual signaling shit. Like I believe everybody has their place. I believe
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every story is worth being told, but just like mine isn't any less valuable
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even though the work is good. And so I just was like, fuck
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it, I'm not gonna play your game and you know, pretend I'm somebody
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I'm not, or appeal to an audience that is will never care about me.
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Sure, yeah, that makes sense to me. So the book is
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obviously filled with like wild stories throughout kind of your life. There must have
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been like parts of that story that like were cut out or didn't quite make
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the cut. Was there anything that like if you just like had the time
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or if you like, you know, I'm sure you had to like meet
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some sort of kind of word count or whatever, but was was was there
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any stories that you're like, God, I really wish I could have like
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kept that in, but just couldn't for whatever reason. No, I mean
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that book is stands and I'm super proud of it. But I'm writing the
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follow up right now, which is called Sad Clown and it's gonna have it's
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gonna have another story, Like I have one about me being in the car
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with the Russian mafia dude. That shit was fucking wild. Well yeah,
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not like not the machine. Like, here's the short version of it.
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This is gonna be in the book. I've told this story before. So
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I was up. I was still living in New Orleans at the time,
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and I had come up to Chicago for holiday or something. I don't remember
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why I was in town, but one of my best friends was tattooing across
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the street at this bar. He was tattooing at this place called Tattoo Tattoo.
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No, it's Tattoo Candy. That was the name of it. And
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across the street was this place called the Teddy Bear Lounge, and it's typical
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Chicago dive, you know, it's great. We rolled I rolled in there
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with my other best friend, Brian, and the bartender is a fucking fox
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and like she is just like totally my type, and so we just start
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chatting. She's like an immigrant, because Chicago is like a huge Eastern European,
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Polish, Ukrainian deal. So we rolled over there and like I started
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chatting up this chicken like we're getting on like a house fire like it was.
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It was cool. And so we're sitting in there shooting pool, playing
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punk rock songs on the jukebox and everything, and then she was like,
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I was like, what are you doing after work? Let's hang out,
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and so she gave me your number. It was like, I'll be at
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this far after work. You should come up there. And I was like,
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okay. She gives me the thing. So I cut out and we're
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closed because Chicago's at four am town there's basically like forty five minutes where you
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can't drink in Chicago, and uh, we said, we hop in a
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cab because this is pre uber days. We hop in a cab and like,
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we get up all the way up on the northwest side of the city.
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It was like twenty twenty something minutes from where we were, and we
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get in there and me and Brian walk in in the record scratches. Dude.
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It is like dudes in track suits and gold and shit. And she
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sees me and she's like, what are you doing here? And I go
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you said to come and hang out. I'm fucking here to hang out.
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What's up? And you know, I started like ready to start ordering shots,
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and the dude was like, no, you do not hang out here,
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and I was like, what the fuck, dude. I look at
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Brian. I was like, this is wild and so like they didn't even
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serve us, and She's like, I thought you'd know to not come here
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by the name of the bar, and I'm like, I haven't lived here
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in years. I don't exactly hang out in like Russian mafia dens either,
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and so you know, all all you would have needed to do is squat
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down and then just start smoking a cigarette and everyone have been like, wait
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is he Bulgarian and you would have been golden man. Yeah. I mean
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like being from Canaryville just taught me, like that's the neighborhood I'm from on
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the South Side is like fuck you, Like it's just we're one hundred percent
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Irish, fucking working class neighborhood. Like you think you dudes are gonna scare
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me if you murder me, there's gonna be like thirty bikers wanting to fight
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you with chains and shit. So like, so we get in there and
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the fucking guy just starts yelling at this chick in like whatever Russian, Polish,
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whatever, He's like yelling at her we leaving now, like we should
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leave, and I was like, where are we going. He's like he's
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taking us home? And I was like eh, And so I look at
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Brian because we're like way far from his house and I was staying at his
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house and uh. So we get in the car and like she's in shotgun,
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he's in fucking I. We're in the back seat and like the whole
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time, mind you, I'm hammered, and so I think this is hilarious.
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And I'm like and he like leans over and he like it goes in
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the glove compartment. I'm like, you please don't grab gun and kill us.
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We just were trying to hang out and he's like getting visibly more fucking
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mad and he just like suddenly screaming at her in Polish and me and Brian.
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I was looking at Brian. I was like, dude, this is
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fucked up, man, because this guy, like legit, drove one hundred
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miles an hour on the streets of Chicago with no regard to stoplights at all,
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just ripping down like like the city streets with traffic whatever. And this
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dude just did not even stutter. And I look at Brian. I was
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like, yo, dude, just starting to get like fucking scared, and
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it was dude, I am so scared right now. And so I was
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like, check it out when we get in. Because he lives in a
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neighborhood called Logan Square. I was like, get out of your place.
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There's a taco joint called Lazo's. That's twenty four to seven. I was
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like, when he gets up, I was like, these these doors,
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I don't have childlocks on him, so he's gonna execute us. We can
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run like we were talking like that, and so he's we were like right
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here, We're jumping out of this fucking car as soon as he stops by
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the house because there's a stop sign, because if you did, like go
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around the corner to Brian's place, taco shop was right there. And as
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soon as the car shopped, we were we just jumped out and we ran
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in the lazos and hit in the bathroom for like forty five minutes, literally
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the two of us in the fucking stall, just hiding out and they never
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came back. And so like later on in the night, I text her,
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I'm like, dude, what the fuck was that? She goes,
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yeah, I'm married. I didn't think you were actually gonna come and you
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got me in trouble and I was like, what do you mean your marriage?
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Because yeah, I didn't want I don't want to be married to him,
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but you know, it is it is. I was like, you
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know, I was like, damn, this is some immigrant bride. Shit.
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Oh my god. So yeah, okay. The thing that everybody wants
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to know though, what does the Russian mafia listen to when they're in the
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car. From what I remember, I think it was the dance music stuff.
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From what I remember, I don't dance. Yeah, if he had
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it on, that was definitely what was playing in the bar when we walked
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in there. That was for sure on in there. What's that one Eastern
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European band? Oh it's gonna kill me. The guy like dresses like a
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fucking alien and shit and goes, but I know the video for sure.
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Yeah, I wonder if that's what they're listening to. No, I'm more
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of a mul chat though, my kind of guy. I don't know what
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that means. I've never heard of that. It's the They had a song
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that was really big on like the internet. It's like it sounds like just
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super gnarly joy Division kind of stuff. And so there was always like these
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videos of these chicks like dancing and their feet were looked like they were floating.
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But if you look up mulchat Doman here the first song, you're gonna
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go, oh, I can't tell you what the first song is because the
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shit's in Russian. Yeah, okay, I'll take it out. I'm sure,
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I'm sure I do know it. If you definitely know it, okay,
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sick, I'm done for that. I one of the things about growing
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up in South Dakota is I feel like I really have no even like even
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like understanding or perspective around what the mafia is even like. But you know,
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obviously, like if you go to the East Coast, especially like New
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York and New Jersey, you've got like the Italian mob and mafia over there,
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and then obviously when you're in in Chicago, you've got that, like
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you've got a number of different like ethnic cities, like or the Russian mafia,
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and like there's even a little bit of Italian mafia. I just like
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have no comprehension around what that even would be like to like know that there
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are these groups of people that are essentially running these towns, and like even
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in FLA training, like the authorities, it's just like hard to believe that
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that even exists. But part of me is like, so even though I
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have like no comprehension around it, I like have this like sense of like
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nostalgia around it where I'm like, I like, I wish I could have
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been around New York in like the seventies with like Rocky Balboa and working class
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kind of New York or Chicago and and like be the kind of person that
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was like sort of like adjacent to the Mob or whatever. Like I just
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but I have no like sense of what that even would mean or anything.
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But I don't know, like whenever I watch like some Mob or Mafia stories
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or movies, I'm just like this, this looks like this would have been
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like kind of fun to have like at least grown up adjacent to Oh if
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I didn't become a writer. I mean there's a very high chance I could
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have. I've got what it takes to be a criminal to be in the
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IRA, Yeah, I mean my great grandfather was in the IRA. Yeah,
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I mean I gotta imagine that a lot of you know, Irish immigrants
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have family members that were in the IRA. Yeah. I mean my great
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grandfather on my mother's side was in the IRA, and then my great grandfather
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and my father's side was a bootlegger for Capone. He died at thirty eight
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sanitarium. Shit. See, this is what I'm saying. I'm like,
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you totally have like connections, and I'm like, part of me is like
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I I don't want to be like one of the people in it, but
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I'm like, but to at least like kind of like you where it's like
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I got connections to it. I don't know why, but I'm like I
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want that so bad. I mean, it's it's a fascinating thing. I
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just did a piece Like there's there's a certain romance to walking the line of
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shit that you're not supposed to. Like it's like you feel like you're allowed
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in the room and you're like, how the fuck did I get in this
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room? And it's like one of those things is like that's what Mason said
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when he was talking to Reliant K at Furnas Right. I don't even I
23:45
don't know. I know the name Reliant K, but I don't know anything
23:48
about them. They're like a pop punk kind of Yeah, that's what I
23:52
thought. Okay, that makes sense early in mid two thousands. Yeah,
23:56
I remember the name for sure. I mean I think I probably came across
24:00
and listen to one song and was like not for me and kept moving because
24:03
I like pop punk. So yeah, it just probably just wasn't for me.
24:07
Yeah. What did you think about when the Queen died as a very
24:11
Irish person? Well, I don't care fu the monarchy that I mean that
24:18
sh it's weird. The amount of like Irish people that absolutely despise the British
24:26
monarchy and specifically the Queen. I just, oh my god when when she
24:30
died, Irish twitter that day was just rolling. Yeah. I don't really,
24:36
I don't know. It's just one of those things, is there That
24:40
entire family is like indicative of some of the world, like atrocities of the
24:44
world, Like why would we be stoked about like to follow these like inbred,
24:47
fucking weird people. Like I got a cousin that's like so psyched that
24:51
she like goes to like when some like dumb British shit is happening, she'll
24:55
go and like want to be there and I'm like, why why would you
24:59
want to stand out into like the crowd to watch these people that do not
25:03
give them They think you're scum. Yeah, like you're a hesitant to them.
25:07
That shit happens to me too. As a history teacher. I'll have
25:11
like students or even like like family members that I'll be like, oh my
25:14
god, so so who is the brother of King Charles. I'm like,
25:17
I don't give a shit honestly, right, like I don't know and I
25:21
don't care like it, it does not matter to me whatsoever because these people
25:25
are just so unimportant to me. But some people they take it like a
25:29
religion. Oh yeah, it's weird. It's super weird. I'm very like
25:33
un American, sort of even anti America at times, but nothing makes me
25:38
feel more American than when there's like British shit going on, like when the
25:42
when the Queen died, I'm like full on, like wanting to throw tea
25:48
out into the sea, like I am just like ready to go to defend
25:51
America in those days. Get yourself a T shirt that says Joe Hamburger,
25:56
motherfucker. Well, there's there's a thought experiment, what uh if if you
26:03
could place the Founding Fathers into the heavy music world of today. What do
26:10
you think they would listen to? What do you think would really like like
26:12
get their uh you know, their jive going. I don't know, I
26:18
mean you got it. Like you gotta think from a totally different perspective in
26:22
the sense that like could you imagine digging one of these guys up and then
26:26
just being like, hey, check it out, this is Marduke, and
26:30
like they would just ship their pants like just like drop them in like an
26:33
immolation show, just like some gnarly death metal ship or like black metal,
26:38
and like they would literally probably have a heart attack thinking, say, like
26:44
they believe in such weird shit anyway, and then like, yeah, you
26:47
got guys like in Spikes and ship Man, I'd see. That's more interesting
26:51
to me is watching like some old guys just die again from fear totally totally
26:59
Well. Then the elect city would just be like wait what like what yeah,
27:03
like that that would probably like blow their mind enough where they might just
27:06
die from that a little no no, no, like like like they've been,
27:07
they've they've they've experienced enough to like know what they're doing, they know
27:11
where they're at. But like what music would they listen to? If it
27:15
was like heavy music, I'd better be like some like dream theater or some
27:18
ship. I take Ben Franklin based on like that He's quotes on like sex
27:25
and beer and ship like that seems like a panteric can of guy. Oh,
27:27
definitely, definitely, because he uh, he loved he loved throwing down
27:33
with the French too. He was he was the cow he was the cowboy
27:38
from hell Over in France when he was the emissary, it makes sense.
27:44
Yeah, he was up to he was like like brothels and harems and ships.
27:49
So that was the only time that they ever really did any any real
27:53
business, you know, which I gotta imagine dime Bag probably do the same
27:56
thing. So I would definitely say that that's very true. Let's talk more
28:06
about existential thirst Trap. Yeah, again, like a lot of it is
28:10
you know, it's all like very kind of memoir ish for you. So
28:14
you're talking a lot about, you know, all these different stories throughout your
28:17
life when you were writing the book. Did there was there anything that kind
28:22
of came up? We were like wow that, like I feel like I'm
28:25
learning something about myself here, or like, oh I didn't know, like
28:27
I still like was holding onto this feeling about that story or surrounding that story.
28:33
Was there anything that kind of came up We were like, wow,
28:34
that's a I need to unpack that a little bit more for myself, or
28:38
I like, this is something I'm learning about myself as I'm writing some of
28:42
these stories. But was there anything kind of around that that came up while
28:45
you're writing the book? Probably the divorce stuff was like that, you know,
28:53
talking about my divorce. Me and my ex are super cool. We
28:56
were together for ten years. We have two boys together, and she's super
29:00
cool, and you know, I appreciate that we're like friends. Now we're
29:03
like business partners, but we're you know, her boyfriend's fucking awesome. We
29:07
went to a show together a couple of weeks ago. You know, he's
29:11
like the best guy could have asked for her to be with. And so
29:15
unpacking a lot about because when you get divorced, I don't know if you
29:18
guys have ever been married or divorced or whatever, when you kind of pledge
29:22
your life to somebody, and even then when it stops working, it's kind
29:26
of like a total like it just drilled to your brain and turns everything into
29:29
cereal, Like you're not the person that, Like, I think everybody who
29:33
gets divorced should be able to have like a year where you're just like didn't
29:37
count whatever poor choices and dumb shit you said. You know, because I
29:41
said a lot of dumb things to people, and uh, you know,
29:45
like you did you feel like it was like a like an identity thing is
29:48
that we were trying to to get at, like like like you had no
29:52
idea like who you are because you were attached to this person and they were
29:56
so much a part of your life or what do you mean. I don't
29:59
think it's an ide I mean maybe it's an identity thing. It's like you're
30:02
you know, like when you're married, Like yeah, people flirt with you
30:04
and all that other shit, and it's like this slide like, hey,
30:07
what's up, Rebecca looking great today or whatever. I mean, I get
30:11
away with saying that shit. Most people are not. Don't do that.
30:14
It's fucking twenty twenty three. Everyone gets offended about everything, But I get
30:18
I get away with murder for the shit that I say. But you know,
30:22
like when you like kind of lose the identity of being married, you're
30:26
like, oh shit, I can actually try to like kid on Rebecca,
30:30
and you have to like remember to like how to do that. And then,
30:33
like you ten years later from when you were in the dating pool,
30:37
it's a totally different ecosystem of how people communicate, let alone like some carnal
30:41
desire, you know, and so you got to be cognizant of that,
30:45
and you gotta be like, it's just not like it was when I was
30:49
coming up, you know, it's just a totally different animal. Like I've
30:52
been divorced five years now and I've had two girlfriends and neither of them worked
30:56
out, and it's like it's just a weird loss of sense of the self
31:00
and you kind of have to really take stock of like, Okay, I'm
31:03
like a different person than when I came into this thing, and like now
31:07
I'm like a different person, but like I have two little dudes that I
31:11
have to be responsible for. And then like the person that I'm no longer
31:15
with is like my business partner now and we have to get along and like
31:19
make choices together that impact boy for there. You know. So it's a
31:26
lot, man, But that was probably the hardest one to write because there's
31:30
just so you know. Even in the back of the book it says,
31:34
you know, it's just thank you to you know, Sarah, and it
31:37
says, even though we're not together, I meanmore, I'm glad we could
31:41
still be friends or something like that. And I meant it that the dating
31:47
piece to that when you're coming out of divorce. I find it would be
31:51
really interesting because, like you're right that just dating in general changes like over
31:56
the years, and that reminds me of I've been watching this new show called
32:00
The Golden Bachelor, which is like this like spinoff series for The Bachelor,
32:04
but it's this guy who's like seventy years old and his like wife recently died
32:07
and now is like wanting to get back into like the dating game. And
32:10
like half of these like you know, seventy six year old people, they're
32:14
all like starting to date each other. Now. Half of it is like
32:16
just them learning how to date again. Yeah, they're just like they don't
32:22
even know how to like navigate dating again after probably like decades of not dating.
32:28
So I like that seems to be a really interesting piece of dating,
32:31
is just knowing how to date, and that probably feels way more natural when
32:36
you're eighteen versus when you're like forty and recently divorced. Yeah, dude,
32:40
I thought every pretty girl that like and I mean it's like it's just I
32:45
thought every pretty girl that I knew on Instagram, I could slide into their
32:47
dms and it was cool. Like I didn't realize there was like a I
32:51
didn't realize there was like a thing to this. No, I just didn't
32:52
know. Yeah, and then why would you. You're like, hey,
32:57
what's going on? They're like nothing, and I'm like cool, and you
33:00
know, you gotta like to learn that whole lingo and code, and you
33:05
know, it's still like I still just kind of deal with stuff. You're
33:08
just like this sucks. Man. The ecosystem for all of this is just
33:14
really really toxic and bad. Like, I don't think the internet is good
33:16
for people in the sense that these apps, in the back of people's heads,
33:21
they like know that there is an endless choice out there that they can
33:23
just like scrap whatever they're doing my webstop on an app, and you know,
33:27
I'll meet somebody new. It's like this never ending wheel of fortune wheel,
33:31
And I think psychologically that's really bad for people. Yeah, it's like
33:37
a perpetual grass is always greener scenario, right, Like, definitely, sometimes
33:42
the grass has to be greenest. But if you think that it's not green
33:46
enough, you'll just miss out on like a great opportunity. And both people
33:52
have to agree that the grass is the greenest. It's going to get with
33:57
one another. Otherwise it just isn't gonna work. Some ones one of the
34:00
two is going to end up blowing the whole thing up. Yeah, I've
34:04
been there. That's some that's some difficult stuff to deal with. So I
34:09
haven't I've been with the same person for uh how long time? Thirteen years,
34:17
and yeah, that was I can't. I can't imagine trying to get
34:22
back into like dating or anything like that. It's terrible. Yeah. Well,
34:28
and I think, like from my perspective, everyone's like, oh,
34:31
look how easy it is. It's easy to date, but as easy to
34:35
like actually find somebody love. That's that's more of the question, I think.
34:39
Yeah, I mean it's there's a lot of snares to it. I
34:43
mean, like I there's they call it the loneliness epidemic because it's real,
34:47
Like I think truly that people don't know how to communicate the ways that they
34:53
used to. They don't know how to socialize in the way without this screen
34:57
in front of them. You know, it's like you can send messages and
34:59
d and things like that, and people have like reached this like comfort zone
35:04
with it, and then that endless choices and that all that and then you
35:07
know, lifestyles and things is just it's a lot, and I think the
35:14
current way that it's set up is just I don't really know if it's bound
35:17
for success. It's more just bound for acceptability because we're kind of lost in
35:23
Hey, I can go out on some dates see what's going on, but
35:25
then like you don't because you're basing everything on these like profiles of people that
35:30
you just kind of get a flash or like a snapshot of and you're like,
35:34
well, she's cute, and then you're like, oh, but there
35:37
she wants kids, and like those are the good things to get out of
35:38
the way, because I don't want any more kids. But like you have
35:42
to like go down the list of like this works for me, this doesn't
35:45
work. Whereas in before you might be able to like have a conversation and
35:47
be like, well, you know, like can we communicate different needs and
35:53
maybe well, stuff that we thought were hard knows. But because I really
35:57
like you, maybe we can figure this out. But I mediately're like,
36:00
nope, doesn't check all the boxes, moving on red flag? But bye,
36:04
you know, that's that's tough. That's tough. I also think it's
36:07
kind of interesting what you were talking about with like the screens and everything,
36:10
and how we only really feel comfortable when we're when we're behind the screen,
36:15
you know, even even doing this podcast. You know, I talk to
36:19
people all the time, but like, I don't generally talk to what I
36:22
would consider, you know, people who've been monumental in my life except for
36:29
on on here on here, I have zero nerves when I talked to them.
36:34
Talk to Spencer Chamberlain, what was that two weeks ago, Mason,
36:37
and uh yeah, didn't feel anything. I was like, all right,
36:39
this is awesome, cool, Spencer Chamberlain. But if I were to talk
36:43
to Spencer Chamberlain in person, I'd be like awkward, and I'd be probably
36:51
like a little bit like sweaty and probably fumbling all over my words and saying
36:55
dumb shit instead of saying what I actually want to say. So there there's
36:59
there is this weird disconnect that we live with, and I'm not entirely sure
37:02
what that is or why that exists, but it's there. Yeah. I
37:09
think that it's become such a the barrier of screen. It's like a bartender.
37:14
I know people who ten bar that behind the bar, they're a badass,
37:17
but like the minute you step on the other side, they get real
37:21
timid, real quick. I think the illusion of a barrier helps some people
37:23
communicate better. Yeah, it's like a stage right, Yeah for sure.
37:29
Yeah. I mean I've met some band dudes over the years, and I've
37:31
met comedians where you're like, it's up, dude, that was awesome,
37:35
and you're like what okay, Well, like like dude, you were just
37:38
you were just humping a microphone out there and now you can't talk to me.
37:45
Yeah. It's just like had some interesting run ins with like musicians and
37:51
people over the years, and you're just like, this is just bananas.
37:53
Like everyone says buzz Osbourne's an asshole, and buzz Osbourne was so nice to
37:58
us when we were kids. Uh, he was so nice. It was
38:01
like ninety five or ninety six we met him, and like Nirvana was my
38:06
favorite band. Yeah, And well do people think that Buzz that Buzz is
38:10
an asshole because of the way like his relationship with Kurt Or is it just
38:16
because they say he's just said some stuff over the years that has been you
38:21
know, he's heard about the fact that he's not famous as as famous as
38:27
Nirvana. I don't think it's really that. I think that they found their
38:30
niche and they like do what they do and the Melvins just starting to band
38:34
that is like bitten built to be big, right, you know, well,
38:37
I totally agree. And so we saw them in like ninety six with
38:43
helmet and we were kids and like we were all like, you know,
38:45
I'm in a Nirvana T shirt. And then like Kurt had probably been dead
38:49
a year and a half, and he was really kind and he was telling
38:52
us like stories about them and stuff, and like when we were asking,
38:57
he could tell we were just interested kids at this sh oh and like he
39:00
was just really nice to us. And Dale Kroger gave me like one of
39:04
his like drumming he wears garden clubs to drummond and I still have it to
39:07
this day somewhere and it's the weirdest thing, by the way they have grip
39:12
on him. So it makes yah know, I get it. It's just
39:14
goofy yeah, and uh, they were really nice. And then I've met
39:19
other people and you're like, wow, you're a total jag off. M
39:22
say, say one Carl from Earth Crisis was an asshole when I met him.
39:28
God damn it, it was. It was like ninety eight ninety nine,
39:34
and I was like, I they played the Fireside Bowl. If he
39:37
ever hears this, He's like, fuck me, what the fuck, dude,
39:39
I'd like, just get them playing. You asked me, dumb shit.
39:43
And so like I straight up was like, so I was working.
39:45
I was like just like getting into the writer thing, and like I was
39:49
trying to do this piece, like I wrote a piece because they had just
39:52
toured with VOD and it was like Earth Crisis Vision of Disorder and Vision of
39:54
Sorder was like this hard partying band that like openly drank and did drugs and
40:00
ship. And I was like, so, how does it work being friends
40:04
with them? Because you guys are like militant, straight edge and these guys
40:07
go absolutely bananas. And like I wrote a paper on this, so like
40:09
I think I wrote it for a zine or something, and he was like,
40:13
I fucking love it. He's like it's so cool. He's like I
40:15
love watching him get fucked up. He's like, it's really really awesome.
40:19
I was like, cool, Mike, get it. I was like,
40:22
awesome, dude. So six months, you know, I just wanted to
40:29
be like yeah, dude, and Slither sucks too. That album blows.
40:31
I wanted to forty two year old me would definitely say that. Now,
40:40
you know, I think I think it's time for top five most influence?
40:43
So what do you think to do it? So are we it? Was
40:46
it hardcore records or just records? And check anything? Any album if you
40:51
want to say any or Ainoco flow be our guest. Let me think if
40:57
we're gonna go top five like most influence records, I'm gonna say one of
41:02
them was be Nirvana's in Utero. I mean, that is such a fucking
41:09
incredible album. It's by far my favorite Nirvana album. Oh what what what
41:14
is about in Utero that that does it for you? I was fourteen when
41:19
Kurt died and they were No. Thirteen and they were my favorite band,
41:22
and like I was already listening to like punkin metal and like not hard for
41:25
yet, but like punkin metal and Grungs like I was prime for all that
41:30
and like them like I'm from Chicago, Steve Albinie, so like we'd always
41:34
heard like Chicago guys, Chicago guys recording it, and so that was always
41:37
super cool. And you know, just it's it's just gnarly. Even the
41:42
way it opens would serve the servants. It's just like you can hear the
41:45
feedback and everything and like radio friendly unit shifters. Just like there's just it.
41:50
It has such a presence to it versus like I love Nevermind like everybody
41:54
else, but in Uteros just like to me, that's like what Nirvana probably
41:59
would have. I don't think Nirvana would have stayed the same, but I
42:01
think that if you ever wanted like a true snapshot of the band that like
42:07
their most poignant, it was that because would have Dave stepped up and did
42:13
other stuff. Who knows, because Dave even said, you know, you
42:15
know, they've all said they didn't know what the next iteration of the band
42:19
would be. They talked about collaborating with Michael stipeen doing different stuff. So
42:24
but that I would probably put refuse the shape of punk to come. Oh
42:30
yeah, that's a very common one. On here, I get. I
42:32
can't believe how common it is. Yeah, I mean, like if you're
42:37
of that age in ninety eight when that came out, dude, and that
42:40
shit was just like mind blowing because it was like these dudes with like beetle
42:46
hair and like shirts and like as soon as I saw that, I just
42:51
started wearing like long sleeve like button I started wearing button up shirts and like
42:54
sweaters and stuff because the Refuse looks so cool. They look just cool.
42:59
And then like they like that entire thing is like every band was ripping that
43:04
band off for like twenty years. Like I mean, look at the like
43:07
one of those yeah, one of those blank Win eighty two records. They
43:12
like lean into that shit hard, and I remember hearing it being like you
43:15
guys definitely like Refused, and uh yeah, I mean that would be a
43:21
big one. I'm trying to think of another, like really big one.
43:22
Probably Radiohead kid A I don't. I don't think he's a big Radiohead guy.
43:27
What uh what is it about Radiohead? I love them, like,
43:30
to be honest with you, dude, I listen to mostly like rock and
43:34
roll, country, the Blues and like stuff like that and punk, like
43:38
I still like hardcore obviously, but like Radiohead, Portos Head York, I
43:44
loved Massive Attack, Tricky, I love all that stuff. Nice, I
43:46
like it so yeah, I was. That was my first tattoo. You
43:51
said blues. Who is your guy or gal for for Blues? Elmore?
43:57
James Elmore, James, Oh, he's great. Jason's little Walter Holland Wolf,
44:05
Howard Wolf's my jam Mason knows that I I sang Holland Wolf at karaoke
44:08
every once in a while just because I think it's fun as fuck. Nice.
44:13
Yeah, it's really fun to get really drug too and try to do
44:15
a smokestack Lightning or Evil or some shit like that. That's good stuff.
44:20
Yeah, I mean so good. It's timelessly good and like when you're from
44:23
Chicago, that's like so beat. No are like, oh dude, I
44:25
don't even think about that. You gotta you got like Albert King then big
44:29
time right he Yeah, the big flying V cross cut saw Man. We
44:35
grew up on all that. That's my dad ship. So like we there
44:37
was never like a discovery period, is like that's just what I grew up
44:40
here. Yeah, So I've always I don't mean to keep belaboring blues music.
44:46
But I just I've always thought that, uh, it hasn't gotten a
44:51
good enough rap in in in modern music culture. That if you look back
44:58
at what they were talking about in the time that they were talking about it,
45:00
they were pushing every single fucking boundary possible all the time with every record,
45:07
and it was just about every single blues artist was doing that. I
45:10
just think that it needs more attention. The thing about the blues is they're
45:16
purists that get it right. Like there's a guy Patrick Sweeney, he has
45:22
a song called them Shoes. If you're a blues guy to look up Patrick
45:23
Sweeney. You know Dan Auerbach from the Black Keys and Jack White. They're
45:28
all stewards of the music. The thing about it is is we need more
45:31
of them because the blues I say it all the time, guys like Charlie
45:37
Mussel, White, Buddy Guy, they do not need to be recorded on
45:40
the blues loses something like it's like country music. I guess certain kinds of
45:45
country music like yeah, pop country, bullshits whatever, but like music like
45:51
country, like rock and roll like that shit needs to be analog in a
45:54
studio, Mike's in a room, no digital trickery, bullshit. That's all
46:00
just get in there and nail it on tape, do the best you can,
46:04
and if there's mistakes, we'll probably be more endeared to those mistakes rather
46:07
than slick recordings like That's the Blues is not meant to sound clean and bright.
46:13
It's meant to say, like everybody kind of goes back to like those
46:15
early Johnny Cash records and everything is like simple recording techniques, the Beatles,
46:21
all those old Stones records. It's all just that's the magic of music,
46:25
where you know, like you listen to some of those old hardcore records,
46:30
like you listen to Set It Off by mad Ball, it's got a certain
46:32
element of darkness to it, versus if you listen to something mad Ball probably
46:37
puts out next year, it just doesn't sound the same. And like the
46:42
yeah, like you listen to like Hate Breeds, Satisfactions, the Death of
46:45
Desire, there's still some like just mistakes all over that record. Yeah,
46:49
and it's so good, but like you know, you hear it now and
46:52
it's like super polished, and it's like, I don't know, man,
46:54
you guys kind of lose something in the process. But people gotta understand people
46:58
got to understand that that that's what fans want, right if people got to
47:01
understand that we don't want super polished shit, like none of us give us
47:07
the flaws, Like I don't know why every band seems to make this make
47:14
this an issue. I don't know it's I think it's just because we have
47:19
the tools to make it so polished now that people just like weally polishing things
47:23
up. I don't know, but I remember I just thought about record number
47:29
four, which is my favorite album of all time, which will be Smashing
47:30
Pumpkins Siamese Dream. Oh nice, yeah, great, great, great great.
47:37
Have you listened to their new stuff? What do you think about their
47:38
new stuff? I think it's good. It's just kind of like there's there's
47:44
bands that the best way you can look at it is I would love to
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see Billy Corgan get in a studio like that with a guy like Steve Albini
47:52
or Butcher Big and like go back to the roots to do stuff, and
47:55
then I would take it much more to heart versus like, oh, hey,
48:00
here's another Pumpkins record, because I just think that they kind of lost
48:02
something. It's not bad, it's just he's working on a follow up or
48:07
like a companion to Melancholin The Infinite Sadness, where like I lost the plot
48:12
by then with that with that band, Like I like about half the songs
48:15
on that record, but I'm more gish and siame stream those, like,
48:22
yeah, those are my records with them. And by the time like that
48:24
that record came out, I just said already, like Zero's fine, that's
48:29
a good song, Muzzle is a good one, but like, that's not
48:31
my record. I was already on the door outdoor by that came out.
48:36
I was already listening to Snapcase. Yeah. So yeah, and I think
48:40
what would be number five? Because you gotta always think of like there's a
48:44
million bands I like that. I'm like, oh, because I haven't said
48:45
the Misfits, but the Misfits are like my other favorite band. But it's
48:49
like, you know, that's a given with my life of like them,
48:53
and you know, I probably you know, I probably it's either Weezer is
49:00
the Blue album, but or probably like a Hank Williams collection, because Hank
49:05
Williams is my favorite singer of all time. Dam it's good stuff. I
49:12
love country music, you know, And I haven't even touched on Social Distortion
49:15
or Lucero or any of those bands that I love too. That's why the
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list of five is so difficult, right yeah. I mean, for if
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you're a music person, like what's my favorite singer? What about five?
49:29
Like I can give you five great jazz records, you know. Yeah,
49:32
well that's why we tried to narrow it down to the most influential albums that
49:36
like mean the most to you. They may not your name might not be
49:37
your favorite mine. I know, my my top five of most influential is
49:43
very different than my favorite albums. You know, just just depends on depends
49:49
on the person, you know. Yeah, I mean, like we haven't
49:52
even doubt, like and then there's like Day Lost Soul and Tribe call Quest
49:55
and all that stuff that I like too. You know, there's just a
49:58
million things that like, I here the Fuji is the score, and I
50:00
immediately think skateboarding in like ninety six, you know, hitting hitting like rails
50:06
in the streets of Chicago, and you're like, those are those magical concoction
50:09
that music does for us. Definitely definitely all right, Robert, what would
50:15
you like to plug man? You've got You've got more than one book.
50:19
Tell us about all of them? How about that? And where we can
50:22
get them. You can buy everything at Barnes and Noble. You can get
50:25
everything at Amazon, whatever bookseller you want to go to the other two it's
50:31
fine volumes. It's called the Red Seven and the other one is called In
50:36
the Arms of Nightmares. They're both good. It's I mean good to me
50:38
because I wrote them, but I they're kind of both in limbo because both
50:44
of the publishing companies no longer exist, and like both of the people behind
50:47
those publishing companies are dead. So kind of like, yeah, you can
50:52
buy it. I'll never see a dime from them. But they have like
50:57
a ride with a Russian mafia one night when they were like one guy dropped
51:02
out of a heart attack, and then the other guy and he was like
51:05
super healthy and was running marathons and stuff. And then the other publisher,
51:08
the dude had a million health problems, like a million, like just was
51:13
like he was health challenged to begin with. Beat COVID beat like all these
51:19
like maladays. And then a fucking drunk bitch hits him and kills him.
51:22
Oh my god, and that's the worst the rest of peace. Dave,
51:29
real quick, what happens with with a publisher's I don't I don't know what
51:35
you call it. Their their assets once someone dies, Like does that does
51:38
like another publisher like buy their assets if they want them or they could.
51:44
I've just been like I had in the Arms of Nightmares remitted back to me
51:46
years ago. I just haven't done anything with it. I've thought about taking
51:52
it off Amazon, just like just because I'm not really proud of the book.
51:54
Like, I think the story is good, but how I got that
51:59
publishing contract at like twenty eight years old and stuff like that. It's just
52:02
it's filled with errors and bullshit and it goes on too long, and I
52:06
think it could be better. But Red seven, I just haven't talked to
52:10
anybody from Dave's state because it came out through Necro Books, and Necro Books
52:14
was around for like twenty five years, and they were like very they did
52:17
very well and like horror and crime and underground like you know, genre fiction,
52:22
and so I should probably do my due diligence on that, but I
52:27
just haven't. But ex Central thirst Trap, that one is cool. I've
52:30
got one called the twenty four to seven Nighthawk that comes out I think February
52:37
twenty twenty five. And then I'm working on the follow up Texas Cential thirst
52:42
Trap, which is going to be called Sad Clown. And then that's all
52:45
about your jug That's all about your journal, your journey becoming a juggler,
52:50
right absolutely. It's the first story. It's gonna be called Whoop, Whoop,
52:54
there were The final will be called I Fell in Love with the Jugga
52:59
Hoo. It'll be dedicated to Fago. There will probably be multiple you know,
53:07
f words and wats of you know, talking about the nedd and game.
53:10
And maybe I might, you know, I might just fucking go for
53:15
broken, just dedicated to the great Malenko himself. I don't know, Andy.
53:19
And every book comes with a free cleaver, right absolutely, and with
53:22
real blood on it. Is it your blood? Well, it's from somebody
53:29
that killed Let's go chickens because we're going chicken hunting. I can do this
53:35
all day, Robert. What else would you like to plug? Have ANUE
53:42
piece that just came out from Channel Void to magazine in Sydney. It's online.
53:46
It's called the Economics of sim If you want to see the newest thing
53:50
I wrote where this goes back to when you were talking about like the mob
53:54
stuff. I interviewed two drug dealers, I interviewed prostitute and a stripper and
54:01
kind of like was like, how this economy's garbage, So how's it treating
54:07
you? Like are you making the money that you were? And people aren't
54:09
doing really great. So if you want a really dark story about like the
54:14
like the links, people had to go, Like nobody in America would put
54:16
this out, so like a company of someone in Australia. I had the
54:20
guts to like do it because the kids gnarly. These people tell their stories
54:22
and they tell it with no band aid on there about like what they've gone
54:27
through. So it's super gnarly. It's called the Economics of Sin. I
54:30
like that. That's actually I'm super interested in. Yeah, it's it's un
54:36
channel void. I'll send you guys the link to it. It was I'm
54:37
really proud of that piece because it's you know, I interviewed these people and
54:43
they were like, Yo, you gotta do what you gotta do. One
54:45
dude was just straight up He's like, look, I carry a strap on
54:47
me. He's like, it's me or you. I got to feed my
54:49
kids, and you just kind of have to view it like that. When
54:53
I talked to the prostitute, she was just she was completely honest about where
54:57
her life is, and it's just it's heartbreaking. Man. It's really hard
55:00
out there. A lot of people myself including are just struggling right now.
55:06
Yeah, that's that's that's some good work. That's good. Thank you.
55:09
I gotta out. Yeah, very very necessary. Well, Robert, thank
55:14
you so much for chatting about Existential thirst Trap, chatting about your story.
55:20
Uh, you're you're such a cool dude. We definitely need to get you
55:22
back on. We can maybe do like a fantasy draft episode or something.
55:24
But uh, yeah, it just thinks for for hanging out and chatting more
55:28
about the book. Yeah, no, I'm super psyched. I listened to
55:30
the podcast all the time. When there's like a band I like, and
55:32
I'll be sitting in the car just cruising, like fucking like somebody will get
55:36
something wrong or like something we get. We get a lot of shit wrong.
55:39
That's something that's one thing we definitely but it's not you guys. It's
55:42
like people in bands that I like and I'm like that, don't like that.
55:45
That's a bullshit fuck that I'll be screaming in the car, like just
55:50
like an asshole. Like one time, I think I was drunk and like
55:52
something came up and I can't remember who it was. They said something I
55:57
was. I think I messaged you guys, and I was just yelling at
55:59
the radio. So my goal has always been to be a piece of media
56:08
that someone screams into the void about, like my dad screamed at the Vikings
56:14
growing up. You know, it's a dream of mine and we're getting there.
56:20
Yeah, I definitely an idiot, guilty of yelling. Like I can't
56:24
remember what it was, man, but I was just like yelling and I'll
56:28
listen to it. I was like, you fucking dummy, Like we've had
56:37
some dummies on that does happen, So I was. I was two of
56:40
them every time that you get to every single episode. Now, I was
56:49
super proud that you guys hit up a slow poles me and I'm real proud
56:52
of them. Yeah, yeah, there's they're great. They're doing really good
56:57
things. There's another band here called Beyond Reach that's another great band that they
57:00
play with a lot, and then Designs is another really good hardcore band in
57:05
Austin and Daniel who sang into singings and designs. His old band, thumb
57:12
Screw, is getting back together on the tenth to play a show, which
57:15
is gonna be awesome if you like like super chaotic mid two thousands hardcore.
57:22
Thumbscrew was awesome. They were way ahead of the curve and like a lot
57:25
of shit. They're playing a reunion show in the tenth and I'm stoked because
57:29
I used to They came up to Chicago and I was in a hardcore band
57:31
and we would play together, and so I've known those dudes for over twenty
57:35
years and so to see everybody again is gonna be sucking surreal. Yeah,
57:39
dude, fuck yeah killer. Also, that's a great band name, thumb
57:43
Screw. Yeah, they were great. Sounds monotonous but also like hardcore at
57:50
the same time, you know what I mean. Yeah, another good band.
57:52
I'm just gonna start rattling off all the bands now, but another good
57:57
one is Rickshaw Billy's Burger Patrol. There. They're great. They sound like
58:01
if Primus listen the hardcore because Leo the singer guitar player, he's from Boston
58:06
and so like he's like converge coales like uh not converge coalesce like a lot
58:13
of that East Coast stuff is like very in his rips and you can hear
58:15
the cave in and stuff to it. But they're like, yeah they have
58:19
you know, they're Rickshaw Billy's Burger Patrol. But they're like I said,
58:22
and take primus and hardcore and put it together. They're great. All right,
58:27
last uh, last thing that we need you to uh to send us
58:30
off with. All Right, one band that you think deserves to be huge
58:39
but it's not, and you want to get their name out there? What
58:43
band is it? Take a moment to think if you need to do I
58:47
think deserve Does this have to be a hardcore band? No, it could
58:51
be any bands. You want a band that you think is just immensely talented
58:55
and deserves more recognition. What band is that I've always been? So I
59:04
say this with the preface that the lyrics to this band are very very personal.
59:09
They're they're they're fucking great. They're a great band, full of good
59:13
dudes. They're they're big enough, but I think they should be way bigger
59:15
than they are, and that would be Lucero Sarah. All Right, Sick,
59:21
there you go. You heard it. There. Robert Dean, thank
59:24
you so so much. Go check out his book. Everyone, thanks again
59:30
for coming on the Blacksheet podcast. Thanks soon. I was super stoked on
59:34
this. I'm seriously super stoked.