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222. The Bryson Davis Interview with James · 4-Freedom Podcast

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Welcome back to the Four Freedom Podcast.
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This is a special episode that friend of mine, Bryson Davis at
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WAME Radio here in Statesville, NC.
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He's one of the news anchors there and radio host there.
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Me and him actually started a podcast years and years ago
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during COVID. It was before COVID, actually I
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think it was. And before the Four Freedom
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Podcast, it was a little podcast called the Christian Politics
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Podcast. And we interviewed lots of
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different people and we went our own ways.
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He was he was one of my teenagers and I came here to
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Rhonda and he he began in that work and done some internships
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at Jr. Motorsports, Dell Juniors
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Motorsports and done a lot of coverage of races, NASCAR races,
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not races of people, but NASCAR races.
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And he came across my book and said, hey man, how about you
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come on and do a 30 minute segment, 25 minute segment on
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air live and talk about your book and all that good things.
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And so I went in, I sat down with him and had a wonderful
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conversation with him. And so this is going to be that,
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that area of that. He sent me the recording of it.
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And I hope you enjoy this. But we talked through a variety
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of topics from the book, the podcast, me and him and going to
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up to Washington for the inauguration, me and Brett going
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to Israel and what that was like.
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And we just had just a wonderful time of talking and just hanging
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out. I hope you enjoy this as much as
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I enjoyed recording it with him live in the studio there.
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And so this is a release of that and I hope you enjoy today's
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content. Just talking through and
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catching up with an old friend, talking through the podcast and
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the future of the podcast and what Lord's been doing through
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So go by and check that out and hopefully that'll help you out a
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little bit. But without further ado, here is
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our intro and the interview that me and Bryson Davis had just a
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couple of weeks ago. For freedom, He set me free.
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Not for change, not for guilt, not for Pharisee.
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Grace lit the flame. Now I'm puffing peace, cigars
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and victory. Justified.
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Released. Welcome to the For Freedom
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podcast. This podcast exists to bring the
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freedom of the gospel for everyday Christians with
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everyday issues. I ain't.
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Saved by dress codes, not by what I eat.
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I'm covered in the righteousness, washed from head
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to feet. No tally of tradition.
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No man made code. Blood bought my freedom.
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Now I ride that road. They clutch pearls when they see
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smoke rings rise. But my prey still ascends past
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the legalist cries. Christ plus nothing.
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That's the real math. So miss me with your fence laws
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and your extra path. He sat with sinners.
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I'm sitting with Saints, sipping grace from the bottle.
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No room for face. I like one for liberty.
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Toast to the king. Every ash of sermon.
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Death has lost its sting. For freedom He set me free, Not
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for change, not for guilt, not for Pharisee.
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Grace slit the flame now puffing, peace, cigars and
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victory justified released. For freedom, He set me free.
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Not for change, not for guilt, not for Pharisee.
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Grace slit the flame now puffing peace, cigars and victory
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justified, released. Let Grace begin.
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It is real country. 92.9 and 550 wame here on a beautiful
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afternoon, couple of minutes after 3 o'clock.
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Today is Tuesday March 31st and today we are joined by a living
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legend. James Safer is in the studio.
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James, how are you, man? I'm living, but I don't know
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about a legend. You're on the way.
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I'm doing well, man, Glad to be here.
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Thanks for letting me come on whammy and talk a little bit
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today, but man, excited to be here with you back in the
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saddle. Me and Bryson Davis, we go back
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a long time. Yes, we do.
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That's exciting. It was.
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We were just talking about this just a little bit ago.
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We were the first, I guess, radio style thing that I ever
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did. We had a podcast back in the day
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a couple of years ago and I couldn't even drive so.
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That was during the time where we were messed up and COVID and
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school wasn't in session and you would come up and hang out at
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the church with me and we would record a podcast together and
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man, what a great time that was. Dude, it was awesome because you
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know, I I didn't want to do my school work, which actually
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there for a little while I didn't have any.
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You know, we quit, we left school and got out of that.
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And so we, we kind of had this idea of say, hey, let's start a
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podcast. There's a lot of crazy things
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happening in the world. So let's see what's what we can
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say about it. And surprisingly, people
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actually cared what we had to say.
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So we we had some really good guests over the years.
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Man, we had some big We had Virginia Fox.
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Yeah, she came on. We had Mark Robinson came on.
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Donald Trump was supposed to be on, but he never did come.
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No, we never. We never could get our schedules
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to align with his. It just didn't work.
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He wanted to be on. He actually called us.
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Yeah, he was trying to get on with us and we just couldn't get
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our schedule aligned with his. That's right.
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So you've so you're doing a lot now.
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You're the pastor, senior pastor at Pleasant.
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Grove, Yeah, Pleasant Grove in Rhonda North.
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Carolina. Yeah, yeah.
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And a lot of history at that church.
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We were talking about Junior Johnson.
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Yeah, big time. Is buried up there.
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Yeah, was a member of the church, right?
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Member of the church his his wife Flossie was a long time
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member of the church. Big time giver to our women's
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ministry, did a lot, a lot of stuff.
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Many of her cookbooks and items that she made was in different
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cookbooks there. Yeah.
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He's buried just right by my, my office there.
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If you go on YouTube, some guy took a video of, of how to find
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it and where it's at. And so people come in almost
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daily. This past Sunday, we had a guy
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come in from like Walkertown, NC, an hour away.
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And he's like, I'm looking for Junior's grave.
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And I said right out here, come. So we talked for like 20
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minutes. Yeah, that's cool.
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You got and, and that's a good way to get people into the
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church, too. You're like, hey, man.
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Yeah, wow, That's awesome. So you're doing that, obviously.
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And I see your videos on Facebook all the time.
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So you, you guys and we actually got to play bluegrass up there
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last year, which was really cool.
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Took a trip to Washington with some you and some folks from
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your church. So you, you, you're in a great
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spot it seems like. Yeah, it's been good.
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Yeah, man. So tell me about you.
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You've, you've, you're still in the podcast world and still
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doing some things with that, but you've also written this book
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and that's what I want to talk about you, You've got this book
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is called from Brokenness to freedom, a journey of healing
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and renewal. You've written this with John,
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your friend who I've gotten to know through the years a little
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bit through our podcasts and things that we done.
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So tell me like, where did this idea?
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Where did you, where did you get the idea of, Hey, we need to
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we've got this podcast. It's kind of in a similar genre
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I guess, or idea space as your podcast, but where did the idea
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for the book come about? Yes, about six years ago, John
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started the podcast called for Freedom podcast and it deals
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with church hurt people that have been hurt in specifically
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the independent fundamental Baptist world of ministry.
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And as we got to going through that, we began just developing
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some thoughts and this idea of stages of leaving legalism, but
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stages of that you go through hurt, anger, resentment when
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when those things come out, what happens when bitterness begins
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to come into your life? And and this could happen with
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the death of someone. This doesn't just have to be in
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church hurt. And so a couple of years ago,
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John came up with these 8 stages of leaving legal, leaving
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legalism. And so I took them and I was
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like, man, I really like this. Lord really began laying on my
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heart to write this book. And I said, John, can I take
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your idea of eight stages and write a book with it?
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He said, sure. I'm not a writer if you want to
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do that. So I spent 6-8 months writing,
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putting some stuff together, and I sent it to him and he was
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like, well, now there's some edits that I need to make.
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So he went in and added like 20 more pages.
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Really. That's cool.
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So it's like 80 pages. It's just a really short, easy
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read. Each chapter can be a standoff
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chapter just to help with a specific thing.
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If you're dealing with anger, bitterness, hurt, how to help
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others, how to get through bitterness.
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And so we began walking through that.
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So last year I published the book and we sold several 100
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copies and it's on Amazon. You can go there and and type it
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in From brokenness to freedom. My name James Safer, one of the
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ways it'll come up and purchase that.
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And it's just been a blessing to help out and to be give these
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these books away and then help out and, and selling them.
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So yeah. Yeah, for sure.
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What's your, your, your process been like you said it took 6 to
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8 months to write this. I'm not, I'm not somebody you
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can ask my former English teachers.
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I'm not the best when it comes to to writing something
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together. ChatGPT is a very good friend of
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mine when it comes to that. So what's that process like?
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Because I imagine like if I sat down and tried to put a book
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together, like you mentioned, this is not a super long book.
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It's not a huge read. It's not Harry Potter series and
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it's like 4 million pages, but, and that's a good thing because
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for, for me, when it comes to reading, I don't want a book
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that's going to take me 10 years to read it.
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I'm a slow reader and I I can't write anything.
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So explain that. What's the process like?
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What for me, I imagine it's difficult to just start.
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Like starting for me seems like it would be the hardest part.
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Yeah. So for us the the starting part
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was easy because me and John had actually done two or three
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episodes on these actual thought we had expanded them out.
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With the podcast. With the podcast, yeah.
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And so I took the, the transcripts from the podcast and
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began taking that and format it into a book.
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My wife, she's a grammar major. She, she went to school.
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She knows all the grammar stuff. So I put it all together in a
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cohesive format, added some things, took some things away.
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Because when you go from speaking to writing, it's
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completely different. And so we begin walking through
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all of that, gave it to her, a lot of other people to edit it,
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walk through that. And then of course, John, he
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took it and had to add more to his flair of edit as well.
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So but yeah, as far as getting going and getting started, I
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already have the framework. I already have the 8 chapters
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that that we walk through, the 8 stages there at the beginning.
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And so for me, it's just simply it was adding the context to all
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of what we were doing. Yeah.
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How do you find a, a someone to print this?
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Someone to publish it? What?
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What is that product? Look, I'm not an author, so I
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don't know how this process look like.
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Is this a pretty simple deal? Like how how has.
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That been Amazon makes it really easy.
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So Amazon's my publisher and so I self published through them
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through their website. And so I submitted the book, I
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created the graphics and my graphics design stuff, put it
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all through their selling their, their portal that they have.
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And so it's on Kindle, It's on hardback and paperback.
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You got the paperback copy there.
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And so you can go on there. The Kindle's $5, the paperback's
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$10 and the hardback's $15. They handle all the printing.
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And so they handle, if you click it, it'll be in your door in
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three days. And it prints from here from
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South Carolina at a printer and ships right to your house.
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I think on the very back of their last page there it says On
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the very back back page it shows where it's printed from the.
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The bottom Columbia South. Carolina, South Carolina,
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they've got a printer there in South Carolina.
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They print it immediately, glue it together, ship it here.
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It's crazy how well Amazon has made this process of publishing
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things really easy. I do have another publisher Bona
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Fides Media that is looking at picking up the book and
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publishing as well, putting it on their catalog.
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And so been talking to a couple of different organizations like
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that. So I've got about a minute or
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two here. Do do you, when you finish this
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after the process, does Alison, your wife, do you give this to
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her and say, hey, read this and make sure there's no mistakes or
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just she's an expert with that, right?
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So how do you do that? Because again, I'm thinking
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through myself and what I would experience this like, do you
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like I would be handing it off to several people and saying,
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hey, please proofread this before I send it out to the
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world. Did did you do that?
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Did. Did that she read it?
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I've been asked to write a second book called Freedom from
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Depression. A lot of people deal with
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depression and what that looks like.
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And so I've been working through that.
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So I just ordered the publisher copy.
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I can order my own publisher copy.
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And so she's been editing through that.
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And then that helps me see the the spacing, the lining that I
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get this part wrong when it's actually printed to go back in
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and fix that. That's awesome.
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Alright, we're going to talk a little more about this coming
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up. We'll switch to a little bit of
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music coming up here with one from Glen Campbell called
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Galveston. James Seifert, author of
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Brokenness to Freedom in the Studio Up here on the Hill W AM
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E it is real country 92.9 and 550 wame hanging out with James
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Seifrit in the studio. James, this is this is kind of
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fun, man. We're having a good time in
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here. I've missed hanging out with
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you, man. It's been.
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Great. Felt like I hadn't seen you in a
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while. We did take a trip back when the
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president was inaugurated. We went up to Washington.
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That was fun. Yeah.
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Great time there I'm. I'm a big history person.
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I love history. We were just talking about some
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things we've watched on Netflix and things like that about
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historical documentaries. I love that stuff.
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But it was cool because anytime, no matter who the president is,
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you get to see a president inaugurated.
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You get to see what that process is like.
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And that was a little unique. We got to be closer than most
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people because the parade and everything like that was all
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indoors. And so it was just a little bit
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different, very historical. So that was a lot of fun.
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I'm glad that we got to do that. Yeah.
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You know, one of the things is I was just not thinking about
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that. You said that, yeah, there were
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some things that happened at the inauguration.
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One, we didn't think we're going to get in because it moved to
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the indoors. I was cold.
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I remember my son, he's bundled up with all the different things
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and the hand warmers and but, but when we got to the
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inauguration hall and and we got to see it, Trump comes in with
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the family, the fanfare, all that fun stuff.
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As we were leaving, I don't even know if you know this or not,
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but as we were leaving, I got a, a friend, a text from a friend
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of mine who I'm a cigar guy. I have my cigar company as well.
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I think you know that, Bryson, but it's called the Four Freedom
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Cigar Company. And so he messaged me and said,
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hey, I just got an invite and a + 1 if you can make it.
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Charlie Kirk is going to be at this cigar lounge and he wants
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to have a cigar with us to talk through some things.
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Yeah. I'm like, man, I wish I could
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go. We all rode together and I
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wasn't going to we we have to be back the next day.
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We didn't have refill room or anything.
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So I just said, man, I can't make it, whatever.
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But that would have been, I mean, that was like 3-6 months
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before he was assassinated. So I had that opportunity and
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and passed up on it, but. Yeah, lots of historical moments
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that day that was it was just unique to see the process.
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And as I said, you know, anytime if you've got a chance, you
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know, you don't even have to support the guy.
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Like to see a presidential inauguration is a historic thing
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for I. Get to go back, I'll go back for
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another one. Absolutely.
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And and I would too. It was it.
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Was maybe women can send us. Yeah.
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Hey, there you go. Hey, give a plug to the big guy
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in there. A lot of remote from the
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inauguration. There you go.
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So yeah, that that was that was a lot of fun.
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So we've we've got to do a lot of cool stuff.
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We really have over the last eight or nine years or so.
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So we were talking off the air a little bit about what's next for
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you. And since you're now an author,
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which is really cool, you've got some some other ideas and some
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things that have affected your area and you have a personal
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connection to to certain things and recent things that have
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happened. And your next idea of for a
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book, you've mentioned freedom from depression.
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So this is kind of a Part 2 or or in connection with the first
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book? Or is this a completely separate
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project? Completely separate project,
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again with the name of the four freedom podcast.
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We we want to do things in the idea of freedom.
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So the four Freedom cigar Company, freedom from
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brokenness, from brokenness to freedom, what that looks like,
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but then freedom from depression.
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Depression is one of those things that people deal with,
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they struggle with on a daily basis, but some, some people
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never get over that. So how can we work through from
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a biblical worldview as a biblical counselor and a pastor,
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how do we work through how to set ourselves free from that
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depression? That state of depression is
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depression is talking about all the time throughout Scripture.
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There's antidotes about Scripture, there's helps that
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can be done. We know that the disciples
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suffered with some form of depression and anxiety when they
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went and hid after Jesus was crucified and was buried.
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I mean, they thought they were going to be next.
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And so you can see the angst and the depression that happened
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there. You can imagine what they would
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have went through. And so having them use some of
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those examples and, and walk through some scriptural things
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there is what we want to use to look at, to give help and and
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hope through scripture, through the gospel.
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So that's sort of where our mindset is looking through that.
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We discussed the forms of depression, what that looks
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like. Some depression is self-serve,
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right? You, you put yourself in that
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depression. Some are brought upon by other
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things by the outside world. And so we want to walk through
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that in that project. So yeah.
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Yeah, I like the idea. And, you know, I think that's
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something that more people go through than than you think
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because, you know, not everybody's openly talking about
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it, but I think everybody at some point in their life goes
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through a time that could, could lead to some, some depression.
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Maybe it's not severe. Some, you know, every,
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everybody's deal is different. But I think having a a unique
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way or a straightforward biblical way to look at that is
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something very important. So that's an interesting,
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interesting project that you've got in mind.
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So when you're writing these books, you know, you talked a
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little bit about the idea of the first one, but do you feel after
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writing the first one and and seeing it have a little bit of
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success, do you feel like this is something you're outside of
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this next thing that you have in mind?
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Is this something you want to do moving forward?
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Did you enjoy this? Do you do you like to to write
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now? I wouldn't say I enjoy writing,
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but I enjoy helping people and that's where the drive is.
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How can I help more people? You know, with the podcast
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platform that helps people, but, you know, being able to sit down
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and sometimes put that thing together.
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I think we're going to talk about going to Israel.
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When I on my way back from Israel, I had a 14 hour flight.
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And so part of that writing was I had 14 hours.
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Do I write a little bit? Do I watch a movie?
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So part of that was done on a plane.
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And so that's cool using some of that time wisely with what we've
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got instead of just doom scroll on my phone or watching the
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movie in front of me. You know, I'm trying to be good
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stewards of what I've got there. So had some of that framework
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there, had some of the things taken care of and was able to
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really begin to that writing process and, and pretty much
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finished it up on that plane ride on the way back with my
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computer and pen and paper out and just working through that.
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So, you know, if if the ideas come, the Lord lays it on my
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heart to continue another book, by all means.
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What happened? This one again came out of some
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circumstances that happened in Wilkes County.
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And so I began working through that.
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In a good world view mindset, so yeah.
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Yeah, I love that you you mentioned your trip to Israel.
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You've been there twice now. And I, I really want to go back
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with you the third time because I know you're going to go back
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because I know you love it. Talk a little bit about that
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experience. And obviously there's a ton
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going on over there right now at the moment as as you and I are
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speaking. But but you went, this was a
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couple of months ago, but when did you go?
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This was back when. Yeah, I went in the end of
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January, beginning of February. So 3060 days ago is when we
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went. I went in 20, 2013, 2023, and
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then have the opportunity to lead a group this time in
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202620252026 And so we are looking at the end of 2027 into
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2028 over the New year, celebrating the new Year in
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Israel. So about 20 months away to maybe
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take another group back. I've got maybe 10 or 12 signed
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up at the church already right now.
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But man, the, the experience was fantastic.
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Fly into Jerusalem there in Tel Aviv.
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We spent the first day just as we landed.
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We did a site there in Joppa and then went down to the Sea of
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Galilee. We spent three days in the Sea
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of Galilee and then three days in Jerusalem in the Old City.
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I got to experience, I think 40 or 45 different sites that are
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mentioned in the Bible. Some of those sites are overlap
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a little bit and an Old Testament, New Testament.
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But man, what an experience. It was the second time for me
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because I, you know, I've been the first time and my mind was
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just overwhelmed. But I told people, I said the
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first time I went, I sort of lived behind three different
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screens. I had my phone out, I had a
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GoPro from Joseph Smithy. I had the the Nikon camera that
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I had. So I'm like got three different
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phone cameras are going. I'm trying to record everything.
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I didn't want to miss anything. Had an audio recorder out.
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So I lived every experience behind some form of screen.
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You were there, but you you were also not.
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I wanted to bring all that stuff back to, to share with people.
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So this time I said, you know, I'm going to go take the
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pictures, but then just sort of with my mind's eye, see it all
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in person. And man, I just, I got to see so
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much more, experience so much more, see things that I missed
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that I thought I would not miss. And so, but then also seeing the
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people that went with us their first time, their eyes light up
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when they see all this is where Jesus made that statement.
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This is where this happened. These are the things that, yeah.
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So man, it's a great time to go. Not right now.
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Right now the, the, the wars going on, most of the area is,
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is contained North and South. Now every once in a while
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they're getting bombs in the old city that are just, you know,
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deflected bombs. Nothing's going off.
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I've got a couple of guys that are there that I talk to
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regularly. One of our guides, he, she lives
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in the Sea of Galilee. Nothing is going on there.
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So just different portions are happening as always so.
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I have heard there there was a teacher that said you made me
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think of this when you talked about living through a phone
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screen. He's, he told us he was like, I
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challenge you next time you go to a concert or a ball game or
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something, just don't get your phone out.
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So I have started this habit of, you know, I'm a big Carolina
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fan, went to a couple of Carolina basketball games this
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year, which probably wasted some of my money, but we still still
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went and had a great time. But I look back and I'm, you
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know, I'm like, man, I kind of wish I'd have had a few more
23:47
pictures, but at the same time, I can relive the experience
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better in my head. So I imagine that's the same
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effect that you had on the second time around.
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And I've always heard that being able to to put things you, these
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biblical stories that you hear about when you're a kid and all
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of these things into a first hand, first person perspective
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where you're seeing it and you're touching it, you're there
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standing on the ground. I've always heard that is an
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incredible experience. Yeah, it very much isn't a great
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experience. It's eye opening to say the
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least when you get to do that. And it really it's it's a
24:22
cliche, but cliches are true because it's real.
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But the Bible goes from black and white to full color when you
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begin to see that. And there's not a day I read my
24:32
Bible or preach that I'm not giving some illustration from
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the Holy lands because, you know, I've been there.
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I've been able to see this is what it looks like.
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Even this past Sunday I talked about we are the Vine or we are
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the branches, Jesus of the Vine and and how Jesus would have
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gave that illustration as he was teaching.
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Yeah, well, I love it. All right, so that's James
24:50
Seifert. James, thanks for coming in and
24:52
hanging out. This has been really cool.
24:54
It's good. It feels like the old days when
24:56
we had the podcast and we were, I had not one clue what I was
25:00
doing, but but we learned a lot. So thanks for that.
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Thanks for my career. You sparked that, so that's
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great. From brokenness to freedom, a
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journey of healing and renewal. You can find this on Amazon.
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like a Kindle version as well. Did you mention that?
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Yeah. There you go.
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So that's it. From brokenness to freedom.
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Go on to Amazon, search it up, James Safer and John Hollyfield.
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James, it's been a pleasure, man.
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Thanks. For having me on.
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Man, all right, there he is. James safer.
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Go check his book out. It's on Amazon.
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I can't tell you enough. It's a great read.
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I've personally got a signed copy now so I'm going to go home
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good grace, found that healing. And the tears fell down my face
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