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Killers Amongst Us: (Part 2) Gorgeous Queens jogger Karina Vetrano murdered the one day dad stays behind. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: the production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. What happened
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  Speaker 1: to Karina Vatronto? Absolutely stunning the jogger who goes for
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  Speaker 1: a jog this one day without her a dad, firefighter
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  Speaker 1: feel Va Toronto and tragedy befalls her. Nancy Grace Killers
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  Speaker 1: amongst us right now, more questions than answers. Her dad
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  Speaker 1: a sense of foreboding coming over him, literally thinks he
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  Speaker 1: hears Karina's calling out for dad. Daddy goes looking for her,
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  Speaker 1: and of all the cops, the helicopters, the dogs, it's
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  Speaker 1: her dad, Feel the Toronto that finds Corina's body, Joining
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  Speaker 1: me right now. Corina's father, Phil Va Toronto, also with me.
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  Speaker 1: Tony to Stephano reported with Newsday, Phil, you were just
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  Speaker 1: describing how you want to explain what you found, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, at first, I Jackie and I called Tony
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  Speaker 1: to Stephano with news Day and said, listen, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have you describe the condition of Corina's body because I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to put Phil through that and then he'll
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  Speaker 1: join us. We told Phil and he said, no, I
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  Speaker 1: want to be there I want to hear this. Then
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  Speaker 1: you went on to tell me something incredible, ill that
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  Speaker 1: you actually go to this location every day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's really moving me to tears, because, as I've told
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  Speaker 1: you in the past, to this day, I have not
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  Speaker 1: gone back to where my fiancee was murdered. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if I could find it now out in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, but you go every day. Phil
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  Speaker 1: the trying to explain that to me. Well, I built
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  Speaker 1: a memorial for my daughter. I built it out of
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  Speaker 1: cobblestone and blue stone. Everything that I built it out
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  Speaker 1: of was found on the trail that she ran. I
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  Speaker 1: dug it up out of the ground myself, and we
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  Speaker 1: made a memorial, and I planted sunflowers and rows bushes
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  Speaker 1: and daffodils and butterfly bushes. And I go there and
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  Speaker 1: I have bird feeders and I sit there and I
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  Speaker 1: listen to nature, and I watched the cardinals and the birds,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel at peace. And you would ask me,
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  Speaker 1: how could that be? Maybe because that's the only place
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  Speaker 1: that I feel like I have any control. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there and I'm I'm communicating with my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm communicating with Karina and those That is the place
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  Speaker 1: where I get thoughts in my head to do things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say messages from Karina, but they kind
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  Speaker 1: of are messages from Karina, and I feel obligated to
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  Speaker 1: visit there every single day. You know, you are making
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  Speaker 1: me feel like a big loser because I know I've
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  Speaker 1: never read the trial transcript. I've never read the appeal.
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  Speaker 1: I did not want to hear about the sentencing nothing
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  Speaker 1: after I testified, because it would literally just tear me
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  Speaker 1: into well, and you're so brave, I just know, No,
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  Speaker 1: everybody deals with tragedy in their own way. Nobody's right
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  Speaker 1: and nobody's wrong. You know, you would deal with a
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  Speaker 1: tragic situation the way your body will let you survive,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how you have to deal with it. And
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  Speaker 1: that's how I deal with. Everybody deals with it differently.
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  Speaker 1: There is no right and there is no role. You
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  Speaker 1: know with me is of course fill the Toronto and
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  Speaker 1: also with me reporter from Newsday, Tony to Stephano, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: how did you first become involved in Karina's disappearance. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was the night of the murder. It was a
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  Speaker 1: second and we started to get reports from the police
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  Speaker 1: that there had been somebody found dead in Spring Creek
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  Speaker 1: Park and this was late, This was evolving late, and
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  Speaker 1: of course I got a call from the news desk
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  Speaker 1: and they asked me to find out what I could,
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  Speaker 1: So I called one of my sources in the police department,
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  Speaker 1: the then spokesman, Steve Davis, and he gave me a
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  Speaker 1: basic rundown because at that point we didn't know very much.
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  Speaker 1: We knew Karina's name, of course, because the family had
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  Speaker 1: been notified, and we knew where, but there wasn't much
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  Speaker 1: because the investigation was in the very early stages, and
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  Speaker 1: this is late August second of twenty sixteen. That's how
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  Speaker 1: I first became a bit aware of it, and I
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  Speaker 1: did file some material that night, and it didn't make
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  Speaker 1: it into the paper, but these were short, relatively short,
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  Speaker 1: perfunctory stories. The next day it was sort of off
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  Speaker 1: to the races and all the papers were media outlets
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  Speaker 1: were jumping on the story, descending on Howard Beach. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't because I had other things I had to deal
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  Speaker 1: with at police headquarters. And we started to put the
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  Speaker 1: story together and we found out, of course, was very
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  Speaker 1: disturbing about the young woman jogging close to her home
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  Speaker 1: and meeting her demise so close to her home and
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  Speaker 1: her family, And that's how I got into it. And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't lose. I didn't shake the case since that time,
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  Speaker 1: since August second, twenty sixteen, and I had to nail
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  Speaker 1: down the police investigation end. And that's where I got
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  Speaker 1: deeply involved in this. This is where I got to
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  Speaker 1: know the Patrano family, Phil and Cathy and well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the rest of the family. And that's how I
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  Speaker 1: got into it. And you know, it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: things you just stay with to feel Patrano, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: taking in what you've told me, and it's amazing even
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  Speaker 1: just then and feel when Tony to Stephano with us
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  Speaker 1: day was talking and he said the word murder, And
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  Speaker 1: as we're talking, I am looking right at a picture
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  Speaker 1: of Arena, looking right at it right now, and to
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  Speaker 1: hear the word murder in the same sentence as we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about her, it just it's still very jarring to me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know if I still, to this day,
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  Speaker 1: three years later, have fully taken in the magnitude of
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  Speaker 1: what had happened, because from the minute it happened, we
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  Speaker 1: were involved. I was involved with the police investigation. I
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  Speaker 1: was involved with the familiar DNA searching. It never went away,
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  Speaker 1: so we will always involved with something to do with
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  Speaker 1: the case. And now I have my mind has shifted.
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  Speaker 1: It has gone from a place of total rage and
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  Speaker 1: anger to peace. Not peace and not forgiveness for the
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  Speaker 1: for the murderer that killed my daughter, But I am
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  Speaker 1: no longer angry at the world, and I'm accepting what
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  Speaker 1: had happened as faith. I have become very spiritual since
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  Speaker 1: as Kamina was. And maybe I'm fooling myself or maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'm just protecting my mind from exploding, but I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was kismid. I believe that there is a time
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  Speaker 1: and a place that everyone is going to go, and
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  Speaker 1: no matter what you do, you're not going to alter that.
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  Speaker 1: So by me accepting that, yeah, this is what was
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  Speaker 1: going to happen from the minute she was conceived, it
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  Speaker 1: protects me, It helps me. So that's Phil tells us
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  Speaker 1: that he called Karina multiple times and didn't get an answer,
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  Speaker 1: then he goes looking for her. Listen to our friend
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  Speaker 1: at ABC, Tim Fly heartwrenching, absolutely heart wrenching the testimony
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  Speaker 1: of his father as he describes finding his daughter's body.
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  Speaker 1: After calling three times, he went to Spring Creek Park
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  Speaker 1: to search for her. He called a friend in the NYPD,
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  Speaker 1: who then sent officers to search. After finding her cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: they honed in on an area thick with weeds and
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  Speaker 1: cat tails. Fighting back tears, Phil Vitranto showed the jury
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  Speaker 1: how he found a matted down area off the trail.
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  Speaker 1: She was there, I found her. He described how she
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  Speaker 1: was on her stomach, her right arm under her, her
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  Speaker 1: left arm next to her. Her legs were in a
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  Speaker 1: running position, her head tilted back to the side. Sobbing,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I let out a sound like I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard before, a whale. I screamed, my baby, my baby.
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  Speaker 1: I grabbed her and pulled her up to me. His
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  Speaker 1: wife Cathy, holding a crucifix, along with other family members
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  Speaker 1: crying in the gallery. He told the jury I knew
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  Speaker 1: she was dead. Police pulled him from the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: as he told him he had to take her home.
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  Speaker 1: He went to tell his wife. I didn't have to
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  Speaker 1: say a thing, he said, she knew. Shone heart wrenching
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  Speaker 1: pictures of his daughter. Phil Vatronto sobbed and said this
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  Speaker 1: is how he found his daughter pilatronto. That moment that
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  Speaker 1: you found Carina, I know was in your mind forever.
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  Speaker 1: You are part of law enforcement. What was the condition
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  Speaker 1: of Currieda's body when you discovered her? You know, what
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  Speaker 1: I remember and what was actually there are two different things,
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  Speaker 1: you know. My mind just turned to mush at that instant,
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  Speaker 1: after the scream and after I picked her up, I
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  Speaker 1: saw her, but I saw that she was beaten. I
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  Speaker 1: saw her neck was all swollen, you know. Being a fireman,
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  Speaker 1: I was in EMT so I've seen dead bodies before.
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  Speaker 1: And I picked her up and her back was cool,
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  Speaker 1: and her chest was a little warm because it was
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. It was a warm day. And from
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  Speaker 1: that moment my mind went blank. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: I got out of the weeds. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I was dragged out. I don't know if I walked out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they pulled me off for her.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't remember any of that,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember any of that, you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: condition of her clothing. My mind went blank from that moment.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I got on the trail from
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  Speaker 1: when I had her to thirty feet It complete blank.
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  Speaker 1: To this day, I don't know what happened, but I
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  Speaker 1: the way I describe it is the way I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't see the extent of the damages to
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  Speaker 1: her face, to her teeth, to you know, but I
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  Speaker 1: did see her neck was swollen, and I knew, I
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  Speaker 1: knew she was dead. I mean, I'm a first responder.
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  Speaker 1: My first thought was okay, CPR. But then you realize
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  Speaker 1: almost immediately that no, no, she's gone. She's just gone.
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  Speaker 1: Karina Vatronto, the beautiful jogger, was beaten so hard by
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  Speaker 1: her attack her her teeth actually broke. And I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: of my children right now. They've already had one set
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  Speaker 1: of braces and they're gonna have another set of braces.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember having braces as a little girl, all
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  Speaker 1: three of us did. It was called my family so much.
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  Speaker 1: They actually had a cupon book, like well, you used
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  Speaker 1: to have a car payments and every month they would
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  Speaker 1: pay for our teeth getting straight. And I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: her gorgeous, perfect smile. We learn that her teeth were
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  Speaker 1: actually broken. She was beaten so badly. We know that
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  Speaker 1: she clawed at her attacker's face as he beat her
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  Speaker 1: over and over, knocking her unconscious, strangling her. To Tony DeStefano,
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  Speaker 1: reporter with Newsday, what do we know about the injuries
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  Speaker 1: to Karina Vatronto, Well, they were, as you just even
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  Speaker 1: described severe. Her face was heavily bruised and bashed. She
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  Speaker 1: had the cracked front tooth. She had extensive internal injuries
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  Speaker 1: to her you know, private areas, and there were there
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  Speaker 1: abrasions and cuts. Actually they were they were quite deep
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  Speaker 1: within and I was a little surprised when I saw
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  Speaker 1: some of the photos at trial as to how far
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  Speaker 1: in they were. I didn't get a sense initially how
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  Speaker 1: badly they She had been injured. She had abrasions on
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  Speaker 1: her arms and the upper the neck area, and it
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  Speaker 1: was just a terrible thing to see. When you compare
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  Speaker 1: those autopsio crime scene photos with the photo the selfie
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  Speaker 1: she took just before she went out on her jog,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have this pretty Italian American girl, dark hair,
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  Speaker 1: looking at the taking a selfie of herself, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fine face and complexion, and then you look at those
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  Speaker 1: pictures you say, boy, this was this was some brutal attack.
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  Speaker 1: This was not just a glancing blow. This was a
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  Speaker 1: really hard beating. I mean, that's that's the only way
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  Speaker 1: to put it. I mean, it was like she went
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  Speaker 1: through ten rounds with somebody with me now, the medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner for the State of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, a
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  Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner, Dotor Gallagher, thank you for spending time
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  Speaker 1: with us. You know, I recall many times that Phil
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  Speaker 1: Vatranto has stated that his daughter Corina's smile was quote perfect.
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  Speaker 1: He said that many many times perfect, And when I
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  Speaker 1: look at photos of Karna, he's right. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if her teeth were naturally that way, just beautiful white,
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  Speaker 1: bright white teeth and perfect. And then to think that
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  Speaker 1: her teeth were broken the beating was so severe. How
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  Speaker 1: much force would it take to actually punch somebody's teeth
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  Speaker 1: out of their mouth or crack their teeth. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you said before anance, she's difficult to say what
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  Speaker 1: her if you're teeth were natural or if they weren't.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I have to believe that they were, and
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  Speaker 1: then what type of genetics she has and what type
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  Speaker 1: of nutritions she was exposed to. But it is difficult
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  Speaker 1: to say exactly how much force it would take. But
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  Speaker 1: we do know that The average human fist can generate
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  Speaker 1: about one hundred and fifty pounds of force in a
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  Speaker 1: punching situation, so I would estimate that the act she
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  Speaker 1: took to her face was probably at least one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty pounds, if not more. You know, I would
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  Speaker 1: like to make myself feel better and imagine that Karina
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  Speaker 1: Vatranto blacked out and had no idea what was being
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  Speaker 1: done to her. But the reality is, I know that's
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  Speaker 1: not true because she fought so fiercely. She fought back,
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  Speaker 1: which tells me that she was conscious during a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this attack on her. I would have to agree,
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  Speaker 1: as evidenced by the grass that she had grasped in
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  Speaker 1: her hand, you know, when her body was found, So
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  Speaker 1: I believe that to be true as well. Now, and
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  Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, you've seen literally thousands of autopsies. But if
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  Speaker 1: the blows to her face were so severe it cracked
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  Speaker 1: her teeth, can you imagine what it did to the
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  Speaker 1: skin of her her face and her lips and her nose.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, her face must have been just mush by
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  Speaker 1: the time she was found. Hopefully it was able to
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  Speaker 1: be recognized. A lot of the times these swelling and
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  Speaker 1: the bruising is so severe that even the victim's parents
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  Speaker 1: and siblings are unable to identify them. Visuals with me.
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  Speaker 1: Phil Patronto and Tony DeStefano reported with it Newsday. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to this, and Boys tells me what they
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  Speaker 1: found made even a hardened detective turn away. Give me
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  Speaker 1: a sense for the injuries. Kaarina summer facial injuries. She
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  Speaker 1: also had bruising on her body. We believe from being
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  Speaker 1: dragged through those weeds welf area. So that's what we
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  Speaker 1: believed where that bruising on her body came from. And
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  Speaker 1: when you found her, she was still grasping to the weeds.
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  Speaker 1: She had the weeds, stems of the weeds in her hands.
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  Speaker 1: What does that she thought not to go into those squits.
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  Speaker 1: Contrary to several reports, Chief Boys now confirms to me
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  Speaker 1: there was no DNA evidence founded the scene to show
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  Speaker 1: that there would be rapist completed his sexual assault. Karina's
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  Speaker 1: dad took me to that jogging trail in Howard Beach
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  Speaker 1: where police found his beautiful daughter. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: this person was waiting for her. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: this person was following her. I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: person knew her routine, drove to the other end and
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  Speaker 1: met her head on. You were hearing our friends at
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  Speaker 1: crime watch Daily. What we know whether the pirp was
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  Speaker 1: waiting for her or happened to see her. I viewed
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  Speaker 1: video offer just before the attack, and I can see
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  Speaker 1: her running along. I guess this is from some money
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  Speaker 1: time surveillance video. And she has her earbuds in her ear,
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  Speaker 1: so on this trail she would not have heard anyone
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  Speaker 1: approaching her. What more can we learn from the scene
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  Speaker 1: field the Toronto According to reports, Karina was still grasping
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  Speaker 1: at the grasp Why explain that? My theory and I
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  Speaker 1: relived it many many times. I've run the trail from
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  Speaker 1: my house to get the timeline, so I know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what time she got down there, what time she was attacked,
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  Speaker 1: what time he left the weeks to go on the
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  Speaker 1: Bell Parkway and and she was attacked. Her initial attack
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  Speaker 1: I believe was one hundred and ten feet from where
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  Speaker 1: the body was found. And I believed this because that's
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  Speaker 1: where her sneaker was found. I think he was waiting
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  Speaker 1: for her the tuesday before, just a week before she
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  Speaker 1: ran that trail by herself. Now I was on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: I was unaware of this. I didn't think she ever
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  Speaker 1: ran by herself, so I believe he saw her. She
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  Speaker 1: she ran after her, She ran to get away, she
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  Speaker 1: fell down, got the abrasions on her knees, her sneaker
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  Speaker 1: came off, and he dragged her down the trail into
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  Speaker 1: the puddle, from the puzzle, into the weeds. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe she was killed at the site where she was
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  Speaker 1: found because she had the weeds in her hand. She
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  Speaker 1: was trying to stop him, to grab onto something to
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  Speaker 1: save herself. So that's my theory, and I relived it
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  Speaker 1: many times. Karina's body was found off the jogging path,
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  Speaker 1: her running pants pulled down. She had been assaulted, strangled
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  Speaker 1: to death, and this Howard Beach area. Now police were
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  Speaker 1: convinced at the time she had put up a vicious fight.
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  Speaker 1: She fought for her life, Tony Stephano reported News Day.
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  Speaker 1: Why were they convinced she fought so hard, Well, there
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  Speaker 1: were a couple of things. One was, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: vegetation in her grasp in her hands, indicating she fought
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  Speaker 1: to prevent the killer from pushing her and taking her
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  Speaker 1: into the weeds. The other was that there was DNA
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  Speaker 1: under her fingernails, which indicated the struggle. Perhaps some scratching,
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  Speaker 1: and you know the condition of the body where she
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  Speaker 1: suffered severe facial trauma and other other injuries, indicated that
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  Speaker 1: there was a fight. And that's all. That's all as
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  Speaker 1: to it. I mean, she wasn't like a passive victim. Here.
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  Speaker 1: She was putting up a struggle, and I think she
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  Speaker 1: put it up to the very last. Now my daughter
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  Speaker 1: was fighting. I'm thinking about her, And isn't it true
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  Speaker 1: when she was a little girl, did she have to
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  Speaker 1: have surgery as I recall, maybe on her legs as
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  Speaker 1: a child? Is that true? Phil, she had elective surgery.
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  Speaker 1: She had surgery done. It's called compartment syndrome. She was
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  Speaker 1: so intent on running, but she couldn't train because she
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  Speaker 1: would get shit splints. And after every diagnosis and injections
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  Speaker 1: and X rays, we came up with a diagnosis of
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  Speaker 1: compartment syndrome. And I actually kind of touched with a
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  Speaker 1: doctor in Michigan who specializes in compartment syndrome. And what
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  Speaker 1: they do is they that the fashion the white tissue
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  Speaker 1: that that surrounds the muscle of your body, you would
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  Speaker 1: call grizzle. So when the muscle expands, it has more
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  Speaker 1: room to expand, and she had that done on both
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  Speaker 1: legs just to enable her so she can train and compete. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: if she did compete, did she not? She competed all
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  Speaker 1: throughout high school. She ran for Manhattan College for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but she still couldn't train. Even after the surgery,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: she couldn't train. Maybe it was too soon, but later
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  Speaker 1: on she was able to run. Years later, I guess
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  Speaker 1: after everything healed, she was able to run, but never
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  Speaker 1: at the ability that she once was when she once
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  Speaker 1: had You know, the location of Karina's body is crucial,
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  Speaker 1: and it's even more crucial did that crime scene be
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  Speaker 1: processed appropriately? Take a listen to our friends at crime
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  Speaker 1: watch Daily. She's found here a lot of thick weeds,
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  Speaker 1: very thick, six to eight feet tall. So we believe
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  Speaker 1: this poll right here is important because her socks were
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  Speaker 1: wet when the body was found. The only way they
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  Speaker 1: could have gotten wet is through this puddle, we believe.
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  Speaker 1: So she was dragged off this path. Her property, her earbuds,
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  Speaker 1: they're thrown over here, which is just north of this path.
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  Speaker 1: The body is dragged into here. Her cell phone has
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  Speaker 1: thrown in that direction and her one sneaker is thrown
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  Speaker 1: over here. Pretty good run, pretty good throws. What does
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  Speaker 1: this tell you? Tells us that at some point she's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: dragged to go up the path. Karina puts up it
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  Speaker 1: about she does. She's beaten pretty severely. At some point
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  Speaker 1: he drags her in there. There's no way anybody's gonna
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  Speaker 1: find her in here. The tiny, petite Karina Vitranto suffering
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: multiple brasions contusions, which are bruises, cuts, injuries sexual in nature,
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  Speaker 1: but thankfully feel the tronto her dad, who found her body,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: seemingly can't remember much of this, and you know, feel
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I always poo poo people that said that they blocked
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  Speaker 1: out or they blocked things. The truth is I can't remember.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I can remember hardly a thing for a huge chunk
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of time following my fiance's murder. Do you ever try
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to remember it? Because for the longest time, whenever I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: would try to remember, or I would think about Keith,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I would get a splitting headache until and I was
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: very young, splitting until I finally trained myself. The moment
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I would start thinking about it, I'd stop, I'd leave,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I'd go to a different place, I'd do anything just
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to stop thinking about it, to avoid the pain of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that headache. And obviously it was you know, psychologically triggered,
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  Speaker 1: But have you tried to remember what you saw that day?
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  Speaker 1: Every day? Every day, My baby deserves for me to know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to understand, and you know, trying to experience what she experienced.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: She deserves the pain that I feel. And I don't
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: know how how to explain that, but that's what I feel.
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  Speaker 1: She deserves. She deserves for me to recognize it and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: her and her pain, not to hide it. Agree one vision.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I have a mental vision I have so often of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Keith after her being shot five times in the neck,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the face, the back. He amazingly was still alive by
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the time they got an ambulance out to that rural
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  Speaker 1: site where he was working on a construction crew, all
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  Speaker 1: the way to a small town hospital, still alive, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I have recurring to this day visions of him on
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  Speaker 1: a gurney at a hospital to which I've never been,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the things that go through your mind. I have flashes
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: of him being shot about what happened. I wasn't there
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  Speaker 1: and I did not hear the evidence, but it comes
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to me even to this day quite often and I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I do not turn away from
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it because I guess your words are right. He deserves
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: for someone to know, for someone to care well someone,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: which is you so true? Yes? So true. We know
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that Carina suffered extensive bruising and scraping to the neck
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and chin, indicating her killer's hands totally envelope surrounded her throat.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: The ultimate cod cause of death is strangulation, not abating strangulation. Um,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what she went through and her father
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: feel finding her still clutching at the grass with both
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: hands as if she's struggling to get a way to
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: even crawl away from her killer. I may interject, please,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: do you know one consolation is that I truly believe
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Karina never thought she was going to die. She didn't
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: think that because she wasn't shot, and she wasn't an
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: enamulance going to the hospital where you have the opportunity
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to think, well, what's going to happen to me? She
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: was fighting the entire time, and she never thought she
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was going to die. And because her airway was cut
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: off and she did pass out and she was murdered
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: while she was unconscious, that is a great consolation to me,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: because she was she never thought she was going to die.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I know that, you know, I can't explain it, but
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's a consolation to me too that I believe Keith
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: had blacked out or was unconscious at the time he
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: finally passed away. I like to think he never knew
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: what happened that one moment he was with us. In
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the next moment, he had no understanding of what had happened.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what Peel says to our friends
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: at Crime Watch Daily. You found your daughter. I did
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: with the help of the PD. As a parent, I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: have a hard time even getting my arms around them.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I think as a parent, you would rather you find
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: your child than someone else. It's the last act of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: protection you can give you a child. To Tony to Stephano,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a reporter with a newsday, you have been to the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: same What are your recollections, Well, of course this is
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: some time after the murder. It's a place that actually
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: has feel described as piece full. Uh there are you
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: had been sunflower seeds, various kinds of plants, butterflies, which
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: happened to be Korena's favorite kind of creatures. If you
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: want to call it that. There are cats, as fill
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: described them, and it's it's a quiet setting punctuated only
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: by the sound occasionally of overhead airplanes airline is you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: landing or taking off from JFK. But it's it's it's sunny.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: It's a sunny spot that's not cheated by a great
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: many trees, and it's a place where you could go
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and you could just think about things and think about
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: what had happened and what the possibilities for life could
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: have been. You feel sad sometimes. I've been there a
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: number of times. In fact, I was there on a
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: birthday quite by chance, and I happen to run into
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Filling Hathy and the daughter Tanna Uh And it's a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you know, to see what they did there with a
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: memorial and with the stones and the u um kind
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: of memorial that they put together, you know, it's very touching,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: but it's also you know, sad. With me Fiel the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Toronto and Tony DeStefano reporter with the news dad Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace signing all good bye, fend