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• BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Jeremie, what's going on buddy? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Jeremie, what's going on, buddy? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Hey Garry. It's nice to see you. Thank you for that. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Hey Garry. It's nice to see you. Thank you for that. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: it's Friday as always. And that's all I can say. It's another week gone by and it's been amazing and busy and fun. but I'm curious, as you know I always am, did you read or do anything or write anything or s hear anything cool this week that I should know about? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: it's Friday as always. And that's all I can say. It's another week gone by and it's been amazing and busy and fun. but I'm curious, as you know I always am, did you read or do anything or write anything or s hear anything cool this week that I should know about? BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I was, I had to really, so for my therapist, I actually send things to my therapist to read, or he sends me things to read, and then we talk about them during the session. And one of the things that we were reading, pre-reading for my session was this concept that sometimes you have challenge in your life, but you have these ambitions. And what you do is you try to like, heal the challenge before you go off and do the ambition. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I was I had to really so for my therapists, I actually send things to my therapist to read, or he sends me things to read, and then we talk about them during the session. And one of the things that we were reading pre-reading before my session was this concept that sometimes you have challenge in the in your life, but you have these ambitions. And what you do is you try to like heal the challenge before you go off and do the ambition. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: And the reading was basically the inverse, which was actually life is doing really ambitious things, even though that you have challenge around you, because life is figuring out how to do both. So that was one thing that I, that kind of was interesting to me. How about yourself? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: And the reading was basically the inverse, which was actually life is doing really ambitious things even though that you have challenge around you, because life is figuring out how to do both. So that was one thing that I that kind of was interesting to me. How about yourself? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Nice, that's awesome. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: That's awesome. most interesting book I reread this week is a book called Accelerando. Not sure you you wouldn't have read it because you're not a sci-fi dork like me, but but yeah, exactly. As we've established. But Accelerando is it's a it's an interesting sci fi book that came out like 2014. some of it's some of what it talks about is kind of prescient for where we are today with some of the things going on with artificial intelligence, some of the things we've seen particularly interestingly with agents and BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: most interesting book I reread this week is a book called Accelerando. Not sure you you wouldn't have read it because you're not a sci-fi dork like me, but but yeah, exactly. As we've established. But Accelerando is it's a it's an interesting sci fi book that came out in like 2014. some of it's some of what it talks about is kind of prescient for where we are today with some of the things going on with artificial intelligence, some of the things we've seen particularly interestingly with agents and BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yes, yes, I'm a fantasy guy. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yes. Yes. I'm a fantasy guy. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: And now all this orchestration layer that's starting to get built. it was a fun book. It's a strange book. It's a space opera, kinda super dorky but super great. and and I definitely, definitely have enjoyed reading it a couple of times now. So that's that's been my favorite read for the week. awesome. Well, should we just jump right in and introduce our guests? We don't want to wait to keep creating. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: And now all this orchestration layer that's starting to get built. it was a fun book. It's a strange book. It's a space opera, kinda super dorky but super great. and and I definitely, definitely have enjoyed reading it a couple of times now. So that's that's been my favorite read for the week. awesome. Well, should we just jump right in and introduce our guests? We don't want to wait keep her waiting. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Isn't it? Amazing. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I made a thing. We have an riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: We have an incredible guest, co board member, so I'm excited to talk. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: incredible guest, co-board member, so I'm excited to talk riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Yes, exactly. So we have Janet Fouty, who is one of the coolest people ever, as you just said. And one of the reasons we wanted to bring Janet onto the podcast today is because she is uniquely and super well positioned and suited to join us for a conversation on Borderroom Blitz, because she is one of the few people I know who's experienced leadership from nearly every single angle. And she's been an operator, she's been a CEO, she's been a chairman, chairperson. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yes, exactly. So we have Janet Fouty, who is one of the coolest people ever, as you just said. And one of the reasons we wanted to bring Janet onto the podcast today is because she is uniquely and super well positioned and suited to join us for a conversation on Border and Blitz, because she is one of the few people I know who's experienced leadership from nearly every single angle. And she's been an operator, she's been a CEO, she's been a chairman, chairperson. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: She's an elected board chair. She's served on public company directorships. She's an advisor. She's an author. And now she's a fabulous leader who's designing a whole new purposeful, amazing second act that we're going hear about today. So, Janet, without further ado, join. Let's get you in here. My, my, my. Welcome, welcome. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: She's an elected board chair. She's served on public company directorships. She's an advisor. She's an author. And now she's a fabulous leader who's designing a whole new purposeful, amazing second act that we're gonna hear about today. So, Janet, without further ado, join. Let's get you in here. My, my, my. Welcome, welcome. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Chitty! Hi! Hi! riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Kidding. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Hello, hello, hello. Thank you all for BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Hello, hello, hello. Thank you, all for riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Thank you all for having me. I don't think I can sort of rally to your book topics that adeptly, but I'm excited for the conversation. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Thank you all for having me. I don't think I can sort of rally to your book topics that adeptly, but I'm excited for the conversation. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hehehehehe BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Well, thanks. We're glad to have you here. And along the way, you might end up coming up with some amazing piece of wisdom. Not not my you will throw out some amazing piece of wisdom, whether it's from a book or from your own life. probably more from your own life because you've got so many great things to share with us. So we're super excited to have you. Appreciate it. okay, can I ask you a question to sort of just like kick things off a bit? Awesome. So riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Well, thanks. We're glad to have you here. And along the way, you might end up coming up with some amazing piece of wisdom. Not not my you will throw out some amazing piece of wisdom, whether it's from a book or from your own life. probably more from your own life because you've got so many great things to share with us. So we're super excited to have you. Appreciate that. okay, can I ask you a question to sort of just like kick things off a bit? Awesome. So riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Hundred percent. Shoot. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Hundred percent. Shoot. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Now you and I met a couple of years ago after like right right after you had left Deloitte, where you spent what, 30 years? I think. A few more than 30. And so I think I remember you saying one of the first times we met that that when you joined Deloitte, you didn't have a 30 year plan. you didn't even have a three year plan, as I think I recall you saying. and to take that one step further, I think that you said you were thinking you'd stay for like two years and then bail and go to something else. And that two years turned to thirty three. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Now you and I met a couple of years ago after like right right after you had left Deloitte, where you spent what, thirty years? I think. A few more than thirty. And so I think I remember you saying one of the first times we met that that when you joined Deloitte, you didn't have a thirty year plan. you didn't even have a three year plan, as I think I recall you saying. and to take that one step further, I think that you said you were thinking you'd stay for like two years and then bail and go to something else. And that two years turned to thirty three. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Well a few more, ridiculously. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Well, a few more, ridiculously. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: you BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: So my first question for you is then are great careers designed or are they discovered along the way? because you could argue maybe both in your case. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: So my first question for you is then are great careers designed or are they discovered along the way? because you could argue maybe both in your case. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: So for me, 100% discovered. Full stop, like no, no question whatsoever. So I did intend to do two years at Deloitte and find a grown-up job. I had actually taken the job because I was on my way to either be an arts administrator or a PhD in applied math. And I was, I couldn't quite figure out what those would look like. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: So for me, 100% discovered. Full stop, like no, no question whatsoever. So I did intend to do two years at Deloitte and find a grown-up job. I had actually taken the job because I was on my way to either be an arts administrator or a PhD in applied math. And I was, I couldn't quite figure out what those would look like. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And so I was like, well, I'm just gonna try consulting and then go find a grown-up job someday. When I was a new manager at Deloitte, so that's at like the three-year mark, I was sitting in this session, like a leadership session, you can imagine like a very boring interior ballroom with people at these little rounds, and I was an inspirational speaker. And his whole shtick was if you don't have a one-day, one week, one year, five year, and ten-year plan, you will not be successful. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And so I was like, well, I'm just going to try consulting and then go find a grown-up job someday. When I was a new manager at Deloitte, so that's at like the three year mark, I was sitting in this session, like a leadership session, you can imagine like a very boring interior ballroom with people at these little rounds. And I was an inspirational speaker. And his whole shtick was if you don't have a one day, one week, one year, five year, and ten year plan, you will not be successful. Like that was his. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Like that was his riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: that is his whole pitch. I remember sitting there going like, like this is not good. Well, I made it this far, but you know, things are gonna go downhill from here and like kind of looking around, like super uncomfortable. And then he does the dreaded, he hands out the pieces of paper and the envelopes, and you're supposed to write out your one year, what you know, your one day, one year, three year, five year, ten year goals and mail them to yourself. And so I did what I was BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: That is his whole pitch. I remember sitting there going like, like this is not good. Well, I've made it this far, but you know, things are gonna go downhill from here and like kinda looking around, like super uncomfortable. And then he does the dreaded, he hands out the pieces of paper and the envelopes, and you're supposed to write out your one year, one you know, your one day, one year, three year, five year, ten year goals and mail them to yourself. And so I did what I was riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: BLEH riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I just bought my first house with my husband. We were hosting Christmas for whole family. So I wrote out my to-do list for the Christmas holidays and mailed it to myself. And that was the end of that. so for me, kidding aside, I've not had a grand plan. Even in this most current chapter, I've not had a grand plan. I am though pretty intentional about the criteria with which I make decisions about what I do. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I just bought my first house with my husband. We were hosting Christmas for whole family. So I wrote out my to-do list for the Christmas holidays and mailed it to myself. And that was the end of that. so for me, kidding aside, I've not had a grand plan. Even in this most current chapter, I've not had a grand plan. I am, though, pretty intentional about the criteria with which I make decisions about what I do. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Ha ha ha. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Ha ha ha. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And so that's riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And so that's that's probably the planful part of it. and I'm happy to talk about that. I don't it's nothing that is gonna break your brain, but so that's the planful part for me, not knowing that this is exactly how I want everything to unfold. Maybe the last thing I'll say is one of the my principles is that I try to treat every role as if it's gonna be the role for the rest of my career and life. And that might sound kind of weird, but BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: That's probably the planful part of it. and I'm happy to talk about that. I don't it's nothing that is gonna break your brain, but so that's the planful part for me, not knowing that this is exactly how I want everything to unfold. Maybe the last thing I'll say is one of the my principles is that I try to treat every role as if it's gonna be the role for the rest of my career and life. And that might sound kind of weird, but riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I decided a long time ago that the mindset, the learning mindset you have if you think you're gonna stick with something, and the trust that you build with your team, if they know you're not like looking left, looking right, looking up to what's next, was an extraordinary gift. And I didn't start with this being planful, that's just sort of how I'm wired. But then I became much more deliberate about it because I found that so all those sort of three things sort of fit together in how I think about how I think about. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I decided a long time ago that the mindset, the learning mindset you have if you think you're gonna stick with something, and the trust that you build with your team, if they know you're not like looking left, looking right, looking up to what's next, was an extraordinary gift. And I didn't start with this being planful, that's just sort of how I'm wired. But then I became much more deliberate about it because I found that so all those sort of three things sort of fit together in how I think about how I think about BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: that. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Now, by the way, there are people who make their one day, one year, three year, five year, ten year plans like have at it. I'm a little jealous because I sometimes wish I had that roadmap. Just my challenge, and I say this probably to women more than men, but I say it broadly, is like you just have to be comfortable that you're going to be wrong and things are gonna go astray, and amazing things are gonna happen that you didn't expect that on a piece of paper, and probably less than amazing things are gonna happen that are gonna take you off that path. So BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Now, by the way, there are people who make their one day, one year, three year, five year, ten year plans like have at it. I'm a little jealous because I sometimes wish I had that roadmap. Just my challenge, and I say this probably to women more than men, but I say it broadly, is like you just have to be comfortable that you're going to be wrong and things are gonna go astray, and amazing things are gonna happen that you didn't expect that on another piece of paper, and probably less than amazing things are gonna happen that are gonna take you off that path. So riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Those are a few of my ways I think about that question. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Those are a few of my ways I think about that question. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Like that. That's amazing. So interestingly enough, I am one of those guys that plans five years at a time. I mean, Garry knows this about me. I'm always like, my five-year plan requires X, Y, and Z. But but riffing on something you said there, like, number one, no one-day plan survives first contact with reality, and therefore, how can a five-year plan possibly survive any contact whatsoever? So, you know, my my strategy has always been: well, you know, you've you've got this overarching goal. I want to do X, Y, or Z. What are the things I need to do to get me toward that goal? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: That that's amazing. So interestingly enough, I am one of those guys that plans five years at a time. I mean, Garry knows this about me. I'm always like, my five-year plan requires X, Y, and Z. But but riffing on something you said there, like, number one, no one-day plan survives first contact with reality, and therefore, how can a five-year plan possibly survive any contact whatsoever? So, you know, my my strategy has always been: well, you know, you've you've got this overarching goal. I want to do X, Y, or Z. What are the things I need to do to get me toward that goal? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: And then how do I remain flexible enough along the way to sort of play the court and get get there, right? Knowing that I'm there's many paths up the mountain. I'm wondering when you talk about sort of like your your your your level of planning and the way you sort of thought about things, did you sort of find that that similar path where it's like, Well, you know, you want to do something down the road. Along the way you're gonna keep your head down focused on the on the on the projects and the points and the customers and the relationships that are gonna help you move move move broader broadly or BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: And then how do I remain flexible enough along the way to sort of play the court and get get there, right? Knowing that I'm there's many paths up the mountain. I'm wondering when you talk about sort of like your your your your level of planning and the way you sort of thought about things, did you sort of find that that similar path where it's like, Well, you know, you want to do something down the road. Along the way you're gonna keep your head down focused on the on the on the projects and the points and the customers and the relationships that are gonna help you move move move broader broadly or BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And maybe this is riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Maybe this is BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: what is makes the world an interesting place because I I my criteria are super simple. I want to be working with people who I like and are smarter than me. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: what is makes the world an interesting place because I I my criteria are super simple. I want to be working with people who I like and are smarter than me. Those BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Those two criteria. You know, I love that line. If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. So for me, I wanna like the people I'm with and know that they're gonna push me. I wanna be doing something that has impact that I've helped shape. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: two criteria. You know, I love that line. If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. So for me, I want to like the people I'm with and know that they're gonna push me. I wanna be doing something that has impact that I've helped shape. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm, mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: you BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And I wanna be valued for the impact I'm having. And that's that's kind of my that is kind of my life guidepost. And so I sort of check, and by the way, not every day do you meet all those criteria, but for me along the way. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And I want to be valued for the impact I'm having. And that's that's kind of my that is kind of my life guidepost. And so I sort of check, and by the way, not every day do you meet all those criteria? But for me along the way, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: That's great. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Okay. Great. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: if I found over the course of a month, you know, there were a bunch of days where I was not meeting all those, then something had to change. and so that is, Jeremie, I'm less about. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: If I found over the course of a month, you know, there were a bunch of days where I was not meeting all those, then something had to change. and so that is, Jeremie, I'm less about riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: No problem. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Let's see what happens. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: here's the long-term goal, and I'm willing to pivot along the way to get there. But much more in the moment, if more days than not in a month I'm meeting those three criteria, then I'm good and I'm gonna keep on keeping up. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Here's the long-term goal, and I'm willing to pivot along the way to get there. But much more in the moment, if more days than not in a month, I'm meeting those three criteria, then I'm good and I'm gonna keep on keeping BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: the point. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: on. I know I'm probably like, there's like probably like a hundred business books on my shelf, which I've not finished most of that probably say that is not a good strategy, but that is the reality of how I've thought about it. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I know, I'm probably like there's like probably like a hundred business books on my shelf, which I've not finished most of that probably say that is not a good strategy, but that is the reality of how I've thought about it. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: No. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: No! BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: For sure. The right strategy is the one that works for you, right? That's the thing. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: For sure. The right strategy is the one that works for you, right? That's the thing. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Do it so. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: It was riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah, and it is super personal. It's super personal. I mean, there are people who would have great anxiety about not having that clarity. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah, and it is super person it's super personal. I mean, there are people who would have great anxiety about not having that clarity. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah, it's interesting there. It's super personal, yes. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: It's interesting that it's super personal. Yes. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Well, I've always said, Janet, that by the way, again, thank you for joining. This is such a privilege. for me, I've always said that I want to be involved in impact because in impact you create value. And and when you create value, when you're part of creating value, there's value to be shared. So I'm curious just to kind of go into the impact part of that three legged stool you were talking about. How do you like is it like you wake up in the morning and go, I'm looking at the world. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Well, I've always said, Janet, that, by the way, again, thank you for joining us. It's such a privilege. For me, I've always said that I want to be involved in impact because in impact, you create value. And when you create value, when you're part of creating value, there's value to be shared. So I'm curious just to kind of go into the impact part of that three legged stool you were talking about. How do you, like, is it like you wake up in the morning and go, I'm looking at the world. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: And I wanna go solve that problem, or is it more micro where you're like, mm, this business needs some help, maybe I can impact like how do you think about impact? 'Cause it's kind of a big and small word at the same time. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: and I want to go solve that problem or is it more micro where you're like, this business needs some help. Maybe I can impact. Like how do you think about impact? Cause it's kind of a big and small world at the same time. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah, I would say for most of my life I've thought about lower eye impact, which is how can I make the world this sounds like this sounds so ridiculous and fluffy, but for the people that I can help, how am I making their world better? My family. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah, I would say for most of my life I've thought about lower eye impact, which is how can I make the world this sounds like this sounds so ridiculous and fluffy, but for the people that I can help, how am I making their world better? My family, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Okay. Mm. Okay. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: my friends, my clients. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: My friends, my clients, you know, I have a very I come out of client service, so I've got a very service mindset. You know, I was a cocktail waitress. Maybe that's where my service mindset started, right? In high school and college. No, not in high school. I was not serving cocktails in high school. In college. and so how and then when I moved from client service to leading businesses, it was about, okay, well, how can I help everyone on my team? You know. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I have a very I come out of client service, so I've got a very service mindset. You know, I was a cocktail waitress. Maybe that's where my service mindset started, right? In high school and college. No, not in high school. I was not serving cocktails in high school. In college. and so how and then when I moved from client service to leading businesses, it was about okay, well, how can I help everyone on my team, you know, BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Okay. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: You're great. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmm. Hehehehehe riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: you riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: be as a riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Be as effective BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: effective as possible personally and professionally. So for me, a big part of impact is how do I help make the world better for the people that are around me? well when I had the privilege to lead a very large business, I obviously also thought about Capital I impact and how did I think about the things that Deloitte stood for and what mattered to us and where we were gonna where we were going to double down and and the things that we wouldn't do. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: as possible personally and professionally. So for me, a big part of impact is how do I help make the world better for the people that are around me? well, when I had the privilege to lead a very large business, I obviously also thought about Capital I impact and how did I think about the things that Deloitte stood for and what mattered to us and where we were gonna where we were gonna double down and and the things that we wouldn't do. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank Thank riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: you riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: as much as the things that we would do. I spent a lot of time thinking about both the frameworks and the individual decisions around those things. In this current chapter, I continue, I believe, to have the lower eye. How am I helping everyone around me be as good as they can be? But I'm also working on some big societal issues. And that obviously is with a capital I impact. And so that's BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: As much as the things that we would do. I spent a lot of time thinking about both the frameworks and the individual decisions around those things. In this current chapter, I continue, I believe, to have the lower eye. How am I helping everyone around me be as good as they can be? But I'm also working on some big societal issues. And that obviously is with a capital I impact. And so that's riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And by the way, would do I wake up every day? Well, mean, I do think, you know, I I run into every day, so I don't pause and go, like, what kind of impact am I gonna have today? I do, but I do think about, and especially if I'm not doing it, it's probably more a negative than a positive. If I think about the day and I think, like, whose world did I make easier or better today? And can't. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And by the way, would do I wake up every day? Well, mean, I do think, you know, I I run into every day, so I don't pause and go like, what kind of impact am I gonna have today? I do, but I do think about, and especially if I'm not doing it, it's probably more a negative than a positive. If I think about the day and I think, like, whose world did I make easier or better today? And can't. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right, right. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Right, right. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And I can't answer that sort of truthfully, then I'm like, hmm, something's gonna pivot in how I'm spending my time or how I'm showing up. And by the way, you know, lowercase eye impact, that can be, that can be giving someone a stretch roll. That can be something super personal, you know. I got home really late, I can't remember two nights ago, and my husband's like, remember there's like BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And I can't answer that sort of truthfully, then I'm like, hmm, something's gonna pivot in how I'm spending my time or how I'm showing up. And by the way, you know, lowercase eye impact, that can be that can be giving someone a stretch roll. That can be something super personal, you know. I got home really late, I can't remember two nights ago, and my husband's like, remember there's like riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmmmm riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I'm about. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Exactly. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yeah, exactly. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Black raspberries that are molding in the fridge and you said you'd make my favorite muffins before they go bad. You know, that's but sometimes sometimes impact is like telling people, like giving people tough feedback. So there's which I know they probably don't feel like is positive, but I know they will be better for that conversation. So that's it, that's how I think about it, Garry. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Black raspberries that are molding in the fridge and you said you'd make my favorite muffins before they go bad. You know, that's but sometimes sometimes impact is like telling people, like giving people tough feedback. So there's which I know they probably don't feel like is positive, but I know they'll be better for that conversation. So that's that's how I think about it, Garry. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-mm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: I think that's great. Well, so a lot of our of a lot of our listeners are folks who will look at your background and your resume and say, wow, okay, how did she do that? Right. How did how did Janet find her way through an organization as big and complex and and distribute it as Deloitte and work her way up to the C suite and then work her way to the CEO role, work her way to the chairman role and stuff like that. And so I'd love for you to I'd love for you to sort of address that for a moment or if you don't mind. Like one of the things that I've heard you write I've actually read that you've written. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: I that's great. Well, so a lot of our of a lot of our listeners are folks who will look at your background and your resume and say, wow, okay, how did she do that? Right. How did how did Janet find her way through an organization as big and complex and and distribute it as Deloitte and work her way up to the C suite and then work her way to the CEO role, work her way to the chairman role and stuff that? And so I'd love for you to I'd love for you to sort of address that for a moment or two if you don't mind. Like one of the things that I've heard you write, I've actually read that you've written. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: And heard you sort of say, and you've even kind of hinted it in our conversation so far today, is that one of the things that seems to have defined your the way that you think about working and doing things is that you look for gaps, you take ownership, bring solutions, and don't drain the room with negativity, right? I can't remember where where exactly I saw I read that that you had said that, but I know that's and but that that's who you are, which I think is awesome. So is that sort of like operating framework for you? Something that that you that that helped you to sort of navigate your way through customer. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: And heard you sort of say, and you've even kind of hinted at it in our conversation so far today, is that one of the things that seems to have defined your the way that you think about working and doing things is that you look for gaps, you take ownership, bring solutions, and don't drain the room with negativity, right? I can't remember where where exactly I saw I I read that that you had said that, but I know that's and but that that's who you are, which I think is awesome. So is that sort of like operating framework for you? Something that that you that that helped you to sort of navigate your way through customer. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: client sorry client interaction, internal interaction, and and helped you sort of work hard, don't suck, find your way up through the through the chain there. I'd love to hear that that path a bit. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: client sorry client interaction, internal interaction and and helped you sort of work hard, don't suck, find your way up through the through the chain there. I'd love to hear that that path a bit. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: So a a a a very good friend of mine, I was moving into a new role. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: A a a a very good friend of mine. I was moving into a new role at Deloitte with people I had not worked with before. Deloitte's a big place, right? So there's lots of corners and I knew almost new one in this business and BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: at Deloitte with people I had not worked with before. Deloitte's a big place, right? So there's lots of corners. And I knew almost new one in this business. And someone called a good friend of mine. He's actually about to retire. I'm I have to speak at his retirement party in a couple of weeks. And they're like, What should we know about working with Janet? She seems kind of scary. He's like, Gonna know is really easy. Work hard and don't suck. So that is that's where that expression came from from my good friend Doug from Texas. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Someone called good friend of mine. He's actually about to retire. I'm I have to speak at his retirement party in a couple weeks. And they're like, what should we know about working with Janet? She seems kind of scary. He's like, I don't know, it's really easy. Work hard and don't suck. So that is that's where that expression came from from my good friend Doug from Texas. Because those words probably wouldn't naturally come out of my mouth except for quoting somebody. so I do, you know, I think so much of BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Because those words probably wouldn't naturally come out of my mouth except for quoting somebody. So I do, you know, I think so much of BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hehehehehe BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I feel very lucky that though I've had to work extraordinarily hard at the things that I'm not good at, and I can talk about those. Some of the some both nature and nurture of how I grew up gave me some of the attributes that I think helped make me successful. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I feel very lucky that though I've had to work extraordinarily hard at the things that I'm not good at, and I can talk about those. Some of the some both nature and nurture of how I grew up gave me some of the attributes that I think helped make me successful. You know, my parents were both first generation in their family to go to college with very high expectation. My dad had finished his MD and PhD by 22. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: you know, my parents were both first generation in their family to go to college with very high expectation. My dad had finished his MD and PhD by 22. My mom had finished her PhD in her mid-20s. they both decided they did not like the career paths that they were put on by their parents. And so that they were they certainly gave me the courage and confidence to riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: My mom had finished her PhD in her mid-20s. they both decided they did not like the career paths that they were put on by their parents. And so that they were they certainly gave me the courage and confidence to do the things I was excited about doing versus what people expected me to do. But maybe more importantly than that, to your to your question, you know, the bar was always high about BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Do the things I was excited about doing versus what people expected me to do. But maybe more importantly than that, to your to your question, you know, the bar was always high about in our family, about speaking your mind, being clear in your communication, a deep commitment to the people that were around you. You know, my dad is an academic scientist. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: In our family, about speaking your mind, being clear in your communication, a deep commitment to the people that were around you. You know, my dad is an academic scientist, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: No. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: would get, you know, a rash of postdocs would show up on his doorstep every few years, and his job was to get them from being newly minted PhDs to be sort of functioning members of. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Would get, you know, a rash of postdocs would show up on his doorstep every few years. And his job was to get them from being newly minted PhDs to be sort of functioning members of either the academic or other communities. Sometimes he loved those people and he thought they were brilliant. Sometimes he thought they were actually pretty mediocre. But the effort he put into every one of them, no matter what he thought, because his job was to help get them to their next landing place. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Either the academic or other communities. Sometimes he loved those people and he thought they were brilliant. Sometimes he thought they were actually pretty mediocre. But the effort he put into every one of them, no matter what he thought, because his job was to help get them to their next landing place. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: So that very much informed my principle that you will walk over glass for your people, always as BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: So that very much informed my principle that you will walk over glass for your people. always as riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah, yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank you. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: probably the number one, Jeremie, if I would say, how did I it sounds so trite, but how did I get from here to there? That's a big reason, is that I walk over glass for the people that work with me. And that's my peers, that's my team. and and they know that. I do. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Probably the number one, Jeremie, if I would say, how did I it sounds so trite, but how did I get from here to there? That's a big reason, is that I walk over glass for the people that work with me. And that's my peers, that's my team. and and they know that. I do riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: and I also think I sort of borrowed this from the family that I grew up in, is this idea of being a space filler. And when you see something that needs to be done. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And I also think I sort of borrowed this from the family that I grew up in is this idea of being a space filler. And when you see something that needs to be done, whether it's at above or below your pay grade, whether it's in your job description, whether you're gonna irk someone by doing it, it's just my nature is you just go do it. and and that created tremendous opportunity for me without and I wasn't doing that because riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Whether it's at above or below your pay grade, whether it's in your job description, whether you're gonna irk someone by doing it, it's just my nature is you just go do it. and and that created tremendous opportunity for me without and I wasn't doing that because riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Good luck. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: it's just my nature was to like super annoyed if stuff should be done and it wasn't BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: It's just my nature was to like super annoyed if stuff should be done. And it wasn't. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Yeah, you weren't you weren't shouldering people BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah, you weren't you weren't shouldering people out of the way to get where you were trying to go. Working your way there and riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Ha ha riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: out of the way to get where you were trying to go. Working your way there and BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: So I love, love, love. And I riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: So I love, love, love. And I try to surround myself with people who have that space filler mindset who don't wait to be told or asked, but are willing to jump in and do the work. and maybe the third thing is, and I, you know, I said this a little bit when I was talking about my criteria, but BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: try to surround myself with people who have that space filler mindset who don't wait to be told or asked, but are willing to jump in and do the work. and maybe the third thing is, and I, you know, I said this a little bit when I was talking about my criteria, but riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Say yes, yes. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yes. Yes. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I pretty quickly learned, though I'm still learning, how much surrounding yourself by people who are different than you. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I pretty quickly learned, though I'm still learning, how much surrounding yourself by people who are different than you riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And who are smarter than you in topics, especially ones where you are not strong. And some of the some of my best successes when people would look back over my Deloitte career and say, like, that's what she's famous for, I'll just pick on launching Deloitte Digital. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: and who are smarter than you in topics, especially ones where you are not strong. And some of the some of my best successes when people would look back over my Deloitte career and say, like, that's what she's famous for, I'll just pick on launching Deloitte Digital. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: You know, Deloitte Digital is now I don't even know how many billions of dollars of business it is. It was BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: You Deloitte Digital is now I don't even know how many billions of dollars of business it is. It was the riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: The disruptor of professional services to the advertising agency business. And you know, most of the large professional services firms now have some sort of digital agency business. I'm the least digital agency person in the universe. I was a Wall Street back office person, Enterprise Tech and Quant. Like I couldn't be further, like BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: disruptor of professional services to the advertising agency business. and you know, most of the large professional services firms now have some sort of digital agency business. I'm the least digital agency person in the universe. I was a Wall Street back office person, enterprise tech and quant. Like I couldn't be further. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Just BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Like I barely knew who my clients' clients were. Like I was not a, riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I barely knew who my clients' clients were. Like I was not a BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I mean, I knew who my clients were and I cared about their success, but I was not thinking about client engagement, especially around consumer. But I had a couple guys on my team who were were that. And they were out there, they were so edgy and really understood in the late aughts. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I mean, I knew who my clients were and I cared about their success, but I was not thinking about client engagement, especially around consumer. But I had a couple guys on my team who were that. And they were out there, they were so edgy and really understood in the late aughts riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: what mobile technology could do for the enterprise. And they pushed me and BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: what mobile technology could do for the enterprise. And they pushed me. And BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: You riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: and we went and bought a little company that was definitely not someone who was still in a Wall Street Wall Street back office mindset would have done. But I had these two guys on my team who really brought such a different skill set and capability to the mix and not only to surround yourself with people like that, but be open BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: and we went and bought a little company that was definitely not someone who was still in a Wall Street, Wall Street back office mindset would have done. But I had these two guys on my team who really brought such a different skill set and capability to the mix. And not only to surround yourself with people like that, but to be open riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank you. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: and listen for the white space and hear their ideas. Wow, that was a rambling answer to your question, but there you have it. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: and listen for the white space and hear their ideas. Wow, that was a rambling answer to your question, but there you have it. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: No. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: No, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: No, I mean I actually that the your answer to the question makes me like I I worked at UI. Love Delight. I worked at UI and I worked for a guy whose name was also Garry, which is really fun. and I'm putting myself back in those rooms, like how you were talking about the the two guys who are kind of pitching on this. I'm just curious, you know, when when folks are approximate to people who have authority. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: no, I mean, I actually bet the your answer to the question makes me like I worked at UI. Love Deloitte, I worked at UI and I worked for a guy whose name was also Garry, which is really fun. And I'm putting myself back in those rooms like how you were talking about the two guys who are kind of pitching on this. I'm just curious, know, when when folks are approximate to people who have authority, like riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Like clear authority in an organization. They can clam up, they can be less innovative, they can maybe push a little, but not push a lot. how have you, either when you were the subordinate or when you were the manager, how have you seen kind of cultivating kind of near approximate culture where people are like, No, you're not listening. This is the biggest new thing, and to let them go fly. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: clear authority in an organization. They can clam up. They can be less innovative. They can maybe push a little but not push a lot. How have you, either when you were the subordinate or when you were the manager, how have you seen cultivating near approximate culture where people are like, no, you're not listening. This is the biggest new thing. And to let them go fly. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I remember just to kind of add to your point, I remember reading something about when Jeff Bezos was at Amazon, they might still do it. When he was there, if someone, if a subordinate ever had an idea that they were pitching to their manager and the manager said no, it was required that the manager write a memo about why they said no. So they had a whole culture of like, we're going to go do the crazy thing as a default. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I I remember just to kind of tee you up on it, I remember reading something about when when Jeff when Jeff Bezos was at Amazon, it might still do it. when he was there, if someone, if a subordinate ever had an idea that they were pitching to their manager, and the manager said no, it was required that the manager write a memo about why they said no. Like so they had a whole culture of like, we're gonna go do the crazy thing as a default. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Okay. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: But when you say no, write it down and share it with your peers so we know why you said no. So I'm curious, how did you think about that at Deloitte or if there is something like institutional that you would do either locally or across the firm to inspire that? BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: But when you say no, write it down and share it with your peers so we know why you said no. So I'm curious, how did you think about that at Deloitte or if there was something like institutional that you would do either locally or across the farm to inspire that? BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah, I don't riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah, I don't think I can't think of anything institutionally from a process perspective. I think that the best way to do that is to model great behavior. And it is to shine a bright light on examples where it worked. That that that BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: think I can't think of anything institutionally from a process perspective. I think that the best way to do that is to model great behavior. And it is to shine a bright light on examples where it worked. That that that riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yeah. Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: That is the like a one thing that when I reflect, I hadn't actually thought that much about that before, but when I think about it now, you know, I when I I stepped into this business I was talking to you guys about earlier, where I knew no one and nothing whatsoever, and I I had to be a sponge, and it was the first time in my career where I really could not rely on my technical, and I don't mean technical, true technical, but I couldn't rely on my direct. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: That is the like A one thing that when I reflect I hadn't actually thought that much about that before, but when I think about it now, you know, I when I I stepped into this business I was talking to you guys about earlier, where I knew no one and nothing whatsoever, and I I had to be a sponge, and it was the first time in my career where I really could not rely on my technical, and I don't mean technical, true technical, but I couldn't rely on my direct Technical capabilities, because I was never gonna know as much as the people that I was leading knew. but it was an organization where there was a lot of, it was a much more hierarchical part of the business. There was a lot of fear about challenging and and even people skip leveling up to talk to people. But there was a young woman who came to me and said, I think this part of our performance management is holding us back from. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: technical capabilities because I was never gonna know as much as the people that I was leading knew. but it was a organization where there was a lot of it was a much more hierarchical part of the business. There was a lot of fear about challenging and and even people skip leveling up to talk to people. But there was a young woman who came to me and said, I think this part of our performance management is holding us back from riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: From our effectiveness and the way people are measured. And first of all, I like, well, that sounds like a really dumb idea. There's no way we're really doing that. And so I went and looked, and it turned out we were really doing that. And then I did a really quick like straw poll of some of the on the ground leaders, both the senior people. I always try to also identify like who are the in a big organization, you know, who are the sort of rising superstars. And I'm like, we're doing this like BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: From our effectiveness and the way people are measured. And first of all, I was like, well, that sounds like a really dumb idea. There's no way we're really doing that. And so I went and looked, and it turned out we were really doing that. And then I did a really quick like straw poll of some of the on the ground leaders, both the senior people. I always try to also identify like who are the in a big organization, you know, who are the sort of rising superstars. And I'm like, we're doing this, like riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I think Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: can I riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Can I like, what would you think if I went changed this? And so I tested it. And like three weeks later, for a business that had, I don't even know how many thousands of people it had in it. I don't know, eight thousand people or something. We changed that part of now this thing probably affected like eight hundred people. We went and changed that dimension of performance management. Now that's not to say I'm live about performance management because I've also I sit on a board in an organization where BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Like, what would you think if I went and changed this? And so I tested it. And like three weeks later, for a business that had I don't even know how many thousands of people it had in it. I don't know, eight thousand people or something. We changed that part of now this thing probably affected like eight hundred people. We went and changed that dimension of performance management. Now that's not to say I'm glib about performance management because I've also I sit on a board in an organization where riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I understand how much changing compensation, like all the ripple effects of this, but this, I cannot tell you guys how dumb this decision was and how much goodness it unlocked by fixing it. We were measuring something that was the wrong thing to measure, fundamentally the wrong thing to measure for this level of the organization, and the unlock that came from just removing that, removing that expectation. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I understand how much changing compensation, like all the ripple effects of this, but this I cannot tell you guys how dumb this decision was and how much goodness it unlocked by fixing it. We were measuring something that was the wrong thing to measure, fundamentally the wrong thing to measure for this level of the organization and the unlock that came from just removing that, removing that expectation. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah, yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Yeah, yeah. I'd love to go BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: I'd love to go. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And that came from a skip, and that came from someone who was. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And that came from a skip and that came from someone who was not in direct report. I don't even know. They were I mean, if I was gonna stack a chart like many levels down. And, you know, I built the right all you know, I built the right alignment around changing the idea, but that and I talked about that for the next couple of years. I'm like, you know, this dumb thing we were doing. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Not a direct report. I don't even know if they were I mean, if I was gonna stack a chart like many levels down. And you know, I built the right you know, I built the right alignment around changing the idea, but that and I talked about that for the next couple of years. I'm like, you know, this dumb thing we were doing. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Mm, mm, mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmmmm riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: We fixed it, thank goodness. Well, interestingly enough, right? So every team, whether it's the, you know, a a product team, an engineering team, a sub team, whatever across an organization has a certain set of roles, responsibilities, things they've got to get done for to to achieve the broader perspectives and broader goals of the organization. When I w for our purposes, I'd like to take a couple of minutes and think about the team at the top, right? The board and the CEO, and sort of think for a minute or two about the relationship there. and I've got a couple of questions for you that I I love your perspective on. One is BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: We fixed it, thank goodness. Well, interestingly enough, right? So every team, whether it's the, you know, a a product team, an engineering team, a sub team, whatever across an organization has a certain set of roles, responsibilities, things they've got to get done for to to achieve the broader perspectives and broader goals of the organization. When I w for our purposes, I'd like to take a couple of minutes and think about the team at the top, right? The board and the CEO, and sort of think for a minute or two about the relationship there. sp and I've got a couple of questions for you that I I love your perspective on. One is riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: like what if from your perspective, having sat in a seat and having coached lots of CEOs, like what does a great CEO genuinely need from their board? And then what from your experience, like do mediocre boards mistakenly believe their job is? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: like what if from your perspective, having sat in a seat and having coached lots of CEOs, like what does a great CEO genuinely need from their board? And then what from your experience, like do mediocre boards mistakenly believe their job is? BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I love this topic, and we could spend our entire time on this, so let me just give you a few nuggets. When an interesting experience, as you said in the opening, that I've sat on most of the s most of the sides of that table. when I took the chair role. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Love this topic, and we could spend our entire time on this. So let me just give you a few nuggets. When I interesting experience, as you said in the opening, that I've sat on most of this most of the sides of that table. when I took the chair role riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: at Deloitte, I'd been I'd been leading the largest business unit in the firm, and I'd spent a lot of time in the boardroom. and as a as a member of the executive team. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: At Deloitte, I'd been I'd been leading the largest business unit in the firm and I'd spent a lot of time in the boardroom. and as a as a member of the executive team. And what I challenged my board to do was to have that my challenge to them was that the management team should be excited to come to board meetings. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And what I challenged my board to do was to have my challenge to them was that the management team should be excited to come to board meetings because they're gonna get a level of insight and perspective and thoughtful support that they didn't have the day before. Now, I totally realize. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Because they're going to get a level of insight and perspective and thoughtful support that they didn't have the day before. Now, I totally realize BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: U BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: that that is a lofty ambition. And there are things that boards have to do that are less fun than that. And that the management team is not always going to be deeply energized about crawling through pre-reads and getting ready for. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: That is a lofty ambition. And there are things that board half boards have to do that are less fun than that. And that the management team is not always going to be deeply energized about crawling through pre-reads and getting ready for for what it can be a difficult set of conversations with the board. But like parking that for a moment at the most macro level, the board is there to do. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: For what it can be a difficult set of conversations with the board. But like parking that for a moment at the most macro level, the board is there to do really three things. One is obviously obviously fulfill or whatever regulatory obligations you have, different if you're a private public company. So that is a de facto. You want to keep that as disciplined and as straightforward as possible. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: really three things. One is obvious obviously fulfill or whatever regulatory obligations you have, different if you're a private public company. So that is a de facto. You want to keep that as disciplined and as straightforward as possible. the second job is to focus on succession. and people don't love to hear that and CEOs don't love to hear that, but you have to have to have to be focused on succession. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: The second job is to focus on succession. And people don't love to hear that, and CEOs don't love to hear that, but you have to, have to, have to be focused on succession. And then the third and the most fun is to make sure that the CEO and management team that you do whatever you can to help them be as wildly successful as possible. So take what I said about my team dynamics. I tried to take that same dynamic to the boardroom. That our goal is that we have a riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And then the third and the most fun is to make sure that the CEO and management team that you do whatever you can to help them be as wildly successful as possible. So take what I said about my team dynamics. I try to take that same dynamic to the boardroom. That our goal is that we have a riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: So you just said Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: So you just said Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: wildly successful CEO and management team with great succession plans. And that we're meeting regulatory and legal requirements. Like that's BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Wildly successful CEO and management team with great succession plans. And that we're meeting regulatory and legal requirements. Like that's riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Exactly. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Exactly. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: That's it. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: That's it. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: that's riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: That's the goal of a board. And I know that sounds very can sound sort of very fluffy or lofty, but I try when I'm chairing to think about the agenda, to think about the tone and how we show up BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: the goal of a board. And I know that sounds very can sound sort of very fluffy or lofty, but I try when I'm chairing to think about the agenda, to think about the tone and how we show up. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: against those three objectives. And if something isn't in one of those three objectives, then that's and andor the way that we show up, then we either don't have the right people at the table. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: against those three objectives. And if something isn't in one of those three objectives, then that's and andor the way that we show up, then we either don't have the right people at the table, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Well it's a BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Well BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: you know, I'm not the right ch you know, whatever it is that if it isn't meeting those three objectives, then that's not meant to be. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: You know, I'm not the right ch you know, whatever it is that if it isn't meeting those three objectives, then that's not meant to be. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: See ya. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Well, I couldn't agree more. I'm glad that you s those those that's awesome. First and foremost, everyone that hears this should write that down and put it on their wall. That's all that the board that's the board's job, right? I think in my own experience, all too often, number two, the succession planning thing gets left off until the CEO one day says, I don't want to this job anymore, right? And that creates all kinds of fear and trouble and heartache and pain for everybody involved. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Well, I couldn't agree more. I'm glad that you s those those that's awesome. First and foremost, everyone that hears this should write that down and put it on their wall. That's all that the board that's the board's job, right? I think in my own experience, all too often, number two, the succession planning thing gets left off until the CEO one day says, I don't want to do this job anymore. Right. And that creates all kinds of fear and trouble and heartache and pain for everybody involved. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-mm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: the board BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: the board riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: thinks the CEO can't do the job anymore. One or the other. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: thinks the CEO can't do the job anymore. One or the other. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Correct. Well, so BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Correct. Well, so riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: my follow on question to that, right, is, and this is why I think it's so important that boards are thinking about succession all the time, is because the person in the seat isn't always going to be the right person in the seat, right? So what what are the earliest signals from your perspective that a capable CEO may be becoming the wrong CEO for the company's next chapter, right? So if the board, in other words, said differently, if the board's crushing it, helping the CEO and the management team to be super successful, like what are the signals that that super successful person might be BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: my follow-on question to that, right, is, and this is why I think it's so important that boards are thinking about succession all the time, is because the person in the seat isn't always going to be the right person in the seat, right? So what what are the earliest signals from your perspective that a capable CEO may be becoming the wrong CEO for the company's next chapter, right? So if the board, in other words, said differently, if the board's crushing it, helping the CEO and the management team to be super successful, like what are the signals that that super successful person might be riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: nearing the end of the of that being the right role for that person at that point? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: nearing the end of the of that being the right role for that person at that riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: time where the business is. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: time where the business is. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I love that question, and I'm not sure I have a great magic answer to that. but I think the way frankly, the things that the CEO, when the CEO works with the chair on the agenda, I think is very telling. because the way an agenda I mean, because everything flows from the agenda. And so riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I love that question, and I'm not sure I have a great magic answer to that. but I think the way frankly, the things that the CEO, when the CEO works with the chair on the agenda, I think is very telling. because the way an agenda I mean, because everything flows from the agenda, and so riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: If the board's head is in the board and executive session says, you know, we're at a place where we need to be pivoting to think about cost, exit, people, growth, regulatory differently. You know, and and as a chair, sometimes you ask the CEO to set the agenda, sometimes you set the agenda. If I ever have a spidey sense that it's off. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: If the board's head is in the board and executive session says, you know, we're at a place where we need to be pivoting to think about cost, exit, people, growth, regulatory differently. You know, and and as a chair, sometimes you ask the CEO to set the agenda, sometimes you set the agenda. If I ever have a spidey sense that it's off. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I asked the CEO, what are the five most important things you think we should be talking about in our next board meeting outside of things we have to talk about? And very telling what they say should be on the agenda. That's probably the most tactical thing I can give you to think about. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I asked the CEO, what are the five most important things you think we should be talking about in our next board meeting outside of things we have to talk about? And very telling what they say should be on the agenda. That's probably the most tactical thing I can give you to think about. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm, mm, mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: and I'm just I'm actually I'm not sure I've ever said that out loud before. So it maybe it isn't as clear when I say it as it is my own head, but as you were asking that question, I was thinking about my experiences when that has been true and how I've gotten how I've riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And I'm just, I'm actually, I don't know I've ever said that out loud before. So it maybe it isn't as clear when I say it is in my own head. But as you were asking that question, I was thinking about my experiences when that has been true and how I've gotten how I've BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank you. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: You riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: gotten underneath it. I the other thing I watch for is how does the management team interact with the CEO? It's one of the reasons doing, you know, spending time outside of the boardroom and inside the boardroom, actually both watching. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Underneath it. I the other thing I watch for is how does the management team interact with the CEO? It's one of the reasons doing, you know, spending time outside of the boardroom and inside the boardroom, actually both watching. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: When does the CEO give the mic up to the management team? How much of the mic do they give up? Who do they give it to? I think is also it can be very telling about where they're where they are how they're leading in the moment. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: When does the CEO give the mic up to the management team? How much of the mic do they give up? Who do they give it to? I think is also can be very telling about where they're where they are how they're leading in the moment. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I love that. I mean I think I think I mean we run a I run a small company, but I think a lot about the first few slides. I normally have an executive summary of how the last quarter went, how the next quarter's gonna go. And I spent a lot of time and thinking about what those things say and what I literally say because I know it might frame for the board members, they can read the slides. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, yep. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I love that. I I think, I think, I mean, we run, I run a small company, but I think a lot about the first few slides. I normally have an executive summary of how the last quarter went, how the next year is going to go. And I spend a lot of time thinking about what those things say and what I literally say, because I know it might frame for the board members. They can read the slides. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Love it. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Love it. Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: That's sort of my point on setting the agenda. That's sort of my point on setting the agenda. Yeah, BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: That's sort of point on setting the agenda that's sort of my point on setting the agenda. Yeah, riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: for a small company, that's the exact right reframe of my how you set the agenda, because your board your board probably is not as formal with their agenda setting. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: for a small company, that's the exact right reframe of my how you set the agenda because your board your board probably is not as formal with their agenda setting. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm, mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: That's great. I love that. Well, speaking of the boardroom, I was thinking that maybe right now we could take a couple of seconds and transition to boardroom blitz, ask you a few silly, silly but fun questions. And then when we once we're done torturing you, I want to talk a bit about AI and the future of work since that's something you're currently spending a lot of time on. to maybe round things out. Does that sound good? my goodness gracious. All right. Well BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: That's great. I love that. Well, speaking of the boardroom, I was thinking that maybe right now we could take a couple of seconds and transition to boardroom blitz, ask you a few silly, silly but fun questions. And then when we once we're done torturing you, I want to talk a bit about AI and the future of work since that's something you're currently spending a lot of time on. to maybe round things out. Does that sound good? my goodness gracious. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Okay. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Okay. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Perfect. Well not, it depends on what the questions are. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Perfect. Well not, it depends on what the questions are. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: hahahahah riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Ha ha ha. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Well, so speaking of the questions, Garry has been suggesting for the past couple of sessions that we actually show the boardroom blitz random question generator in real time. So I'm doing that. You should be able to see my p my screen. Of course it is. Of course it is. Yeah. Yeah. So I I spent about twenty minutes with my one of my AI buddies generating interesting artwork for this segment. Okay. but I will be honest, I did edit the images afterwards because I put the I put the questions over the images. So riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: So speaking of the questions, Garry has been suggesting for the past couple of sessions that we actually show the boardroom blitz random question generator in real time. So I'm doing that. You should be able to see my my screen. Of course it is. Of course it is. Yeah. Yeah. So I I spent about twenty minutes with my one of my AI buddies generating interesting artwork for this segment. Okay. but I will be honest, I did edit the images afterwards because I put the I put the questions over the images. So BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hehehehehe riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: That AI generated art, gentlemen. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: That AI generated art, gentlemen. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: it's so AI. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: it's so a it's so AI. That's why I love it. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I love it. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: I a it's it's partially human created, okay? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: I I it's it's partially human created, okay? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Okay. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. Mm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: This first question is what's the one decision you made that looked insane to everyone else but actually BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: This first question is what's the one decision you made that looked insane to everyone else but actually worked? riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Hmm. Okay. Well I have a f I have many of those. probably and maybe two both that we've touched on today. so the first, these just to be fast, right? I'll try to super speedy. the first is I was actually talking about launching Deloitte Digital. So I'm this Wall Street girl. I'm in a big public accounting firm. I convinced my board that we should buy a digital studio based in Seattle. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Okay. Well, I have a f I have many of those. probably and maybe two both that we've touched on today. so the first, these are just to be fast, right? I'll try to be super speedy. the first is I was actually talking about launching Deloitte Digital. So I'm this Wall Street girl. I'm in a big public accounting firm. I convinced my board that we should buy a digital studio based in Seattle. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hahaha! riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Ha. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Whatever. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Which ever. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Where let's just say my Wall Street look would not fit in. I had to change like on my way in the door. purple hair, pool tables, tattoos that maybe today you probably still wouldn't even see today. But setting the optics aside, it was a totally different business model. And BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: where let's just say my wall street look would not fit in I had to change like on my way in the door. purple hair, pool tables, tattoos that maybe today you probably still wouldn't even see today. But setting the optics aside, it was a totally different business model. And BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yes! riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yes. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Thick hoodie. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: They could be BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Okay. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: it it it was definitely in the high risk riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: It it it was definitely in the high risk, high return category. It definitely meets my like my question on like what's the worst thing could happen if you do this question as opposed to anything else. So that's one. and then the second is pulling off the band-aid and leaving my nest of Deloitte, which, you know, people who I could not be more privileged to have sat in the ch BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: high return category. It definitely meets my like my question on like what's the worst thing could happen if you do this question as opposed to anything else. So that's one. and then the second is pulling off the band-aid and leaving my nest of Deloitte, which you know, people who I could not be more privileged to have sat in the ch BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: He's already... BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: in the chair of being the chair of Deloitte. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: in the chair of being the chair of Deloitte, but I didn't need to keep doing that. And it looked pretty crazy to a lot of people, especially without a plan to our earlier discussion. and but at the end of the day what mattered was where was I getting my energy and did I feel like I was giving the right energy back to the universe. And so that's those are my two quick answers to that question. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: But I didn't need to keep doing that. And it looked pretty crazy to a lot of people, especially without a plan to our earlier discussion. and but at the end of the day what mattered was where was I getting my energy and did I feel like I was giving the right energy back to the universe? And so that's those are my two quick answers to that question. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: No. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: I love it. All right, Garry, what do we got next here? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: I love it. All right, Garry, what do we got next here? BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Yes. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm, gracias. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Janet, what's the- same one. We have stone bugs. Janet, what's the dumbest thing you believed about the C-suite before you got there? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: But same it came back to the same question. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: But same i it came back to the same question. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Janet, what's the same one. We we have some bugs. Janet, what's the dumbest thing you believed about the C suite before you got there? BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: if it's the dumbest, but it's definitely was my stereotype was that everyone who was in the C suite woke up and fo at four in the morning. Everyone in the C suite, CEO, C H R O, CFO, anything with the C woke up at four in the morning with a brilliant new idea that no one had ever thought of. And that was why they were I truly believe that. And that's why they were successful. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: It's the dumbest, but it's definitely was my stereotype. that everyone who was in the C-suite woke up and at four in the morning, everyone in the C-suite, CEO, CHRO, CFO, anything with the C woke up at four in the morning with a brilliant new idea that no one had ever thought of. And that was why they were I truly believe that, and that's why they were successful. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hehehehehe Hehehehehe riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And I'm not that person, I wasn't that person, I will never be that person. And so when I found myself that I'm like, no, I'm a good listener, I'm good at building a sprit accor, people wanna people wanna be with me on the journey, all those things that I now know are as if not more important than waking up at four in the morning with a brilliant new idea no one's ever thought of. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And I'm not that person, I wasn't that person, I will never be that person. And so when I found myself that I'm like, no, I'm a good listener, I'm good at building a spirit de core, people wanna people wanna be with me on the journey, all those things that I now know are as if not more important than waking up at four in the morning with a brilliant new idea no one's ever thought of. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Alright. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right. Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmm. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. That's BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: That's... It's such riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: It's awesome. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: it's such BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: a good... It's like the clearest answer, but it's like I think such a good lesson for our listeners, Jeremie, because there's this like superhuman-ness. I think people ascribe to people who are in these big rooms with these big titles. We're all actually just human and we're all just trying to figure things out. Some of us have more experience than others, but there aren't too many superhuman humans that I know of. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: a good it's like the the clearest answer was like I think such a good lesson for our listeners, Jeremie, because there's this like superhumanness I think people ascribe to people who are in these big rooms with these big titles. We're all actually just human and we're all just trying to figure things out. Some of us have more experience than others. But there aren't too many superhuman humans that I know of. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Right. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: That's for sure. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: That's for sure. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: All right. Well this will be the last one that we'll put you through sp and this is actually ironic and and justifiably awesome because you mentioned a bunch of books you haven't read. So what's the one business book you actually finished and you think everyone else should too? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: All right. Well this will be the last one that we'll put you through sp and this is actually ironic and and justifiably awesome because you mentioned a bunch of books you haven't read. So what's the one business book you actually finished and you think everyone else should too? BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: No. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Okay, I love this question because I was thinking about this. I'm I'm looking at my bookshelf that has a stack the stacks of books that either I have bought because I felt I had to, or people said to me, by the way, including my own, that I have finished almost that I finished almost none of. But the reason can I get up? Okay. the reason. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Okay, I love this question because I was thinking about this. I'm I'm looking at my bookshelf that has a stack the stacks of books that either I have bought because I felt I had to, or people said to me, by the way, including my own, that I have finished almost that I finished almost none of. But the reason, can I get up? Okay. the reason. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hahaha riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Ha ha. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yes. There are no rules in our boardroom, but riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Of course you can. Yeah. Go grab it. Yeah. We got all the time in the world. It's great. I love it. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Yes, there are no rules that are border and blitz. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Of course you can. Yeah, go grab it. Yeah. We got all the time in the world. It's great. I love it. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I just knocked something over because I don't pull things off this bookshelf that often. The reason I, you know, I stepped into this chair, I stepped into this chair role having been a very hardcore operator. And so I did what you'd expect a good consultant to do. You know, I called a lot of people and I talked to them about what made a great chair. And I really wanted to take the role seriously. And this book, so this book, it's called Boards That Lead. It's a little dated. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I just knocked something over because I don't pull things off this bookshelf that often. The reason I, you know, I stepped into this chair, I stepped into this chair role having been a very hardcore operator. And so I did what you'd expect a good consultant to do. You know, I called a lot of people and I talked to them about what made a great chair. And I really wanted to take the role seriously. And this book, so this book, it's called Boards at Lead. It's a little dated. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: You're coughing with dust now. The dust. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: You're coughing with dust now. The dust. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Ha ha ha ha! BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: but riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: But I think it withstands the test of time. It's from 2014. Ram Sharon, who is a sage wonderful leader, and Mike Yusem, who's a professor at Wharton. I I read this book. I then called both of them because someone sent this to me. I called both of them and I said, I want to meet you. I've now taught in Mike's class many times at Wharton. Rom has been a great collaborator on a bunch of things. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I think it withstands the test of time. It's from 2014. Ram Sharon, who is a sage wonderful leader, and Mike Useem, who's a professor at Wharton. I I read this book. I then called both of them because someone sent this to me. I called both of them and I said, I want to meet you. I've now taught in Mike's class many times at Wharton. Rom has been a great collaborator on a bunch of things. So riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: I I found this book so helpful in being in the boardroom. so this is my this is my recommendation. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I I found this book so helpful in being in the boardroom. so this is my this is my recommendation. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Love it. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Love it. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: You can't see it on my shelf, but it's like right there. Yeah, yeah. It's a great book. It's a great book, yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: You can't see it on my shelf, but it's like right there. Yeah, yeah. It's a great book. It's a great book, yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Seriously? Okay, BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Seriously? Okay, it is a great phone. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: it is a great book. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I got BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I gotta order it. I gotta order. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: gotta order it. I gotta order BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: it. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: It's a great book for sure. That's awesome. Okay, well that's a wonderful riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: It's a great book for sure. That's awesome. Okay. Well that's a wonderful riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: But there are a lot BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: there are a lot which I'm not gonna show you, which I have read the first chapter and the last chapter. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: which I'm not gonna show you, which I have read the first chapter and the last chapter. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Right, or you've read the cover art and the and you've seen you've seen the the endorsements and whatnot and called it a day. okay, well I'd love to BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Right. Or you've read the cover art and the and you've seen you've seen the the endorsements and whatnot and called it day. okay, well I'd love to speak BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hehehehehe riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: did you BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: did you guys ask that question? That's hilarious. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: guys ask that question? That's hilarious. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Yeah, BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: I'm glad that it came up. That's the rand that's what's great about the random question generator. Yeah. And the AI generated one, no less. And, you know, let's talk about AI and the future of work for a moment. It's like a perfect segue. AI and the future of work. This is something obviously you're passionate about. Can we talk a bit about like what you're what you're doing in that regard and sort of how you see the the future of work unveiling itself over the course of the next few years? BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: I'm glad that it came up. That's the rand that's what's great about the random question generator. Yeah. And the AI generated one, no less. And, you know, let's talk about AI and the future of work for a moment. It's like a perfect segue. AI and the future of work. This is something obviously you're passionate about. Can we talk a bit about like what you're what you're doing in that regard and sort of how you see the the future of work unveiling itself over the course of the next few years? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Okay. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Well, I'm gonna be really, really short and I could talk about this for a very long time. So in the last few years, I've sort of had rattling in my head that our number one domestic policy topic should be what do we do about AI and the potential disruption of workforce? and so that had been like just in my brain, like who's actually waking up every day thinking about this super important topic? BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Well, I'm gonna be really, really short and I could talk about this for a very long time. So in the last few years, I've sort of had rattling in my head that our number one domestic policy topic should be what what do we do about AI and the potential disruption of workforce? and so that had been like just in my brain, like who's actually waking up every day thinking about this super important topic? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: You know, I lived at sort of around the edges of the China shock where we had four million people whose jobs went away and no one thought about what do we do about those jobs. and then I watched much less publicized, but the enterprise technology workforce disruption, which has also been very substantive but less well documented. And so I got the opportunity, I got a call from an old client. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: You know, I lived at sort of around the edges of the China shock where we had four million people whose jobs went away and no one thought about what do we do about those jobs. and then I watched much less publicized, but the enterprise technology workforce disruption, which has also been very substantive but less well documented. And so I got the opportunity, I got a call from an old client. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Who said, I'm gonna stand up a new nonpartisan substantive not-for-profit focused on what do we do about this topic as a country? and that someone was Gina Ramondo, who'd been the Secretary of Commerce under Biden. Prior to that, she'd been the governor of Rhode Island. she recruited Errol Holcomb, who'd been the governor of Indiana, because she believes, as I do, that this is an issue for our country, not a not a red or blue issue whatsoever. and we are BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Who said, I'm gonna stand up a new nonpartisan substantive not-for-profit focused on what do we do about this topic as a country? and that someone was Gina Raimondo, who'd been the Secretary of Commerce under Biden. Prior to that, she'd been the governor of Rhode Island. she recruited Errol Colcomb, who'd been the governor of Indiana, because she believes, as I do, that this is an issue for our country, not a not a red or blue issue whatsoever. and we are BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: to riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: To BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Answer your question, the heart of your question, Jeremie. This whole organization, and we've raised a lot of money because everyone, not everyone, lots of people are acknowledging that we actually need someone to think about this system, government, companies, post and secondary education collectively to look at this topic to address what could be riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: answer your question, the heart of your question, Jeremie, this whole organization, we've raised a lot of money because everyone, not everyone, lots of people are acknowledging that we actually need someone to think about this system, government, companies, post and secondary education collectively to look at this topic, to address what could be. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: a very, very bumpy ride as we get from here to the other side. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: A very, very bumpy ride as we get from here to the other side. You guys know I'm a deep believer in the technology. I think it's going to do extraordinary things. I'm not a believer that we should all be, you know, climbing mountains while the bots work. I believe in work has meaning and purpose, especially in this country, but around the globe. and you know, ancient philosophers would affirm that as well. So that is transcended time. But if we don't manage BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: You guys know I'm a deep believer in the technology. I think it's gonna do extraordinary things. I'm not a believer that we should all be, you know, climbing mountains while the bots work. I believe in work has meaning and purpose, especially in this country, but around the globe. and you know, ancient philosophers would affirm that as well. So that is transcended time. But if we don't manage BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank you. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Sure. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Excuse me. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: the short to medium term, then it could be really disruptive. So, Jeremie, to answer your question. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: the short to medium term that it could be really disruptive. So, Jeremie, to answer your question, I don't know. And what our organization is all about is piloting and testing. And so I've recruited a bunch of companies and we recruited a bunch of states to actually go try things. Because we're not so presumptuous to say that we know what the future of work is going to look like. We're going to try a bunch of things, which is how do we get really we're worried about two populations in particular. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I don't know. And what our organization is all about is piloting and testing. And so I've recruited a bunch of companies and we recruited a bunch of states to actually go try things. Because we're not so presumptuous to say that we know what the future of work is going look like. We're going to try a bunch of things, which is how do we get really, we're worried about two populations in particular. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Okay. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank you. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: One is people who are in the middle of their careers, whose jobs riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: One is people who are in the middle of their careers, whose jobs riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: either slim way down or go away, and what do we do about them? And then also about people who are starting their careers. And it's both for this work is both for the individuals as well as for sounds very grandiose, but we we think is a big societal question. So that's what I'm up to and what I'm waking up most days focused on right now is to help work on that problem set. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Either slim way down or go away, and what do we do about them? And then also about people who are starting their careers. And it's both for this work is both for the individuals as well as for sounds very grandiose, but we think is a big societal question. So that's what I'm up to and what I'm waking up most days focused on right now is to help work on that problem set. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: yeah, for sure. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Yeah for riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: And I'm really energized by it. The support has been extraordinary. You know, I was. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: What should riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Which is riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And I'm really energized by it. The support has been extraordinary. You know, I was riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: not so long ago with a group of young founders, many of whom were building, you know, AI solutions that had the possibility to displace people. And my challenge, I'm like, keep at it, keep your work up. That, you know, there is a lot of goodness in what you are innovating, but don't have some hubris and think about the people whose roles you are displacing. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: not so long ago with a group of young founders, many of whom were building, you know, AI solutions that had possibility to displace people. And my challenge, I'm like, keep at it, keep your work up. That, you know, there is a lot of goodness in what you're innovating, but don't have some hubris and think about the people whose roles you are displacing BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank Thank Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: and what your responsibility is in helping think about what pathways are for them. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: And what your responsibility is in helping think about what pathways are for them, BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: It's me. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Right. Mm-hmm. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: given you know a whole lot about what it is that they do. So that's what I've that's what I've been up to and what I've been thinking about. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: given you know a whole lot about what it is that they do. So that's what I've that's what I've been up to and what I've been thinking about. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Before. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Thank you. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Love that. One of the things I get asked all the time when I'm, you know, when I'm teaching at University of Chicago and is what the heck should I do? Right. Like and the answer is I don't know, do what you love, do your thing. I always joke, I said, people say, you know, do something you're passionate about and you'll be fine. I mostly believe that. I mean, I generally believe that, but I think you know, y your passion might not be valued in the market. So you have to find something that is that you're passionate about that happens to be something valued by society. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Love that. One of the things I get asked all the time when I'm, you know, when I'm teaching at University of Chicago and is what the heck should I do? Right. Like and the answer is I don't know, do what you love, do your thing. I always joke, I said, people say, you know, do something you're passionate about and you'll be fine. I mostly believe that. I mean, I generally believe that, but I think you know, y your passion might not be valued in the market. So you have to find something that is that you're passionate about that happens to be something valued by society. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: And value by the market. And then that's fine, right? Or find passion. There's a million things that you can equate to passion. But I think like, BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: And value by the market. And then that's fine, right? Or find passion. There's a million things that you can equate to passion. But I think like, BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah. I think let BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah. I think let passion find you in the work is much more sensible than find something you're passionate about, you know? riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: passion find you in the work is much more sensible than find something you're passionate about, you know? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: That is BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: That is riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: exactly what I was trying to say so poorly. That that is exactly right, Janet. Like BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: exactly what I was trying to say so poorly. That that is exactly right, Janet. Like BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: I'm passionate about riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Passionate about cooking, that does not mean I should be a chef or own a restaurant. Right? I happen to be really good at a service mindset, leading people through that, problem solving to that end. I'm great at it. It gives me a lot of energy. Would I say I'm you know, would I've said before I started this career, that's what I'm passionate about a hundred percent no. So BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: cooking, that does not mean I should be a chef or own a restaurant. Right? I happen to be really good at a service mindset, leading people through that, problem solving to that end. I'm great at it. It gives me a lot of energy. Would I say I'm you know, would I said before I started the career, that's what I'm passionate about a hundred percent no. So BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Correct. That's exactly right. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Correct. That's exactly right. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Course not, yeah, exactly. Yeah. BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Course not, yeah, exactly. Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: And BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: And riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0046: I go back to what you said before also, Janet. It's like find the gaps. Be be impact driven and focused. And if if one can be impact driven and focused and find the gaps, there's gonna be a market for you. You know, so but so interesting. So interesting. I'm I'm like excited to follow your progress with this organization. BBlitz Janet Mix GARRY MIX: I go back to what you said before also, Janet, it's like, find the gaps, be impact driven and focused. And if one can be impact driven and focused and find the gaps, there's going be a market for you. So interesting, so interesting. I'm excited to follow your progress with this organization. BBlitz Janet Mix JANET MIX: Yeah. riverside janet foutty, raise raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0044: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: Me BBlitz Janet Mix JEREMIE MIX: Me riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0045: too, I know. I w I wish we could sit here and take another hour of your time, maybe two or three hours of your time, but we're just gonna have to keep up here. Yeah. Well we can we'll put the listers aside. We can just keep chatting. But no, seriously though, thank you very, very much for making some time to chat with us today. 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