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Ed Rensi Ran McDonald's & NASCAR Teams! · Kenny Wallace Media

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Barack Obama said that the said that the military was racist and
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we couldn't have this. And 90% of the guys that were in
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the Marine Corps that came to my race team were black.
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I'm like, what the Hell's he talking about?
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He had no idea who his audience is.
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But that was the beginning of the end for me.
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I thought, this is anytime you get politics into sports, you
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got a problem. My whole family were Democrats.
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They were coal miners. They were secretaries.
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My dad was a lifelong Democrat. He was a central committee man.
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My mother was a Democrat. Everybody in my family, coal
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miners, steel mill workers, union guys, all were members of
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unions. I grew up as a Democrat.
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That day when Obama did that, I became a Republican.
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I said never again can the president of the United States
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take control of my fund because he doesn't know what he's
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talking about. Call a NASCAR racist.
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Well, I am really honored to have my dear friend, Great
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American businessman Ed Renzi. Ed, how are you doing?
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I'm doing. Fantastic.
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And I'm doing really great. Good to see you.
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It's good to see my long lost friend.
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I drove for Ed, Renzi and NASCAR.
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But listen, Ed, before we get going, I want to do you a solid.
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I want to introduce you the way it ought to be.
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So just give me a minute, Ed. I want to tell everybody how
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great you are, The man you're looking at right now, Ed Renzi
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is the retired president and CEO of McDonald's USA.
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Yes, McDonald's, where he spent nearly his entire professional
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career. He started as a grill cook in
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1966 in Columbus, OH, became the president of McDonald's in 1984
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and the CEO in 1991. Now, Ed, I really like what I'm
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going to say next and and your fans are going to love this.
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In his time at McDonald's, he spearheaded these legendary food
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enhancements of the breakfast menu, the drive through concept
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at McDonald's and developed the Chicken Mcnuggets, the Mcrib
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Sandwich, the Extra Value Meal and the Great Ronald McDonald
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House. And as President of McDonald's,
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I'm going to repeat this as the president of McDonald's Ed sales
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and number of restaurants roughly doubled.
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And you've done it all, buddy. Tell me about what I just said
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about you. What's that make you think when
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I introduce you like that? Well, it's not unlike racing.
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I wish I could claim credit for all of those great things that
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happened at McDonald's, but I had a magnificent team around
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me. Nobody, no singular person at
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McDonald's ever really had the ability to do anything by
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themselves. It was a team effort all the
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way. And just like you got a front
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tire changer and a back tire changer.
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We had grilled people, we had equipment engineering people, we
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had product development. Our chef, Chef Renee Ren was a
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French trained chef, five star Michelin guy and he was working
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for McDonald's. Ray Kroc found him at the
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Whitehall restaurant in Chicago and brought him into McDonald's
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and Ray Kroc was a genius. So it wasn't about me.
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I I had a great foundation, a great legacy and I just got the
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build on it a little bit. The one thing I was pretty good
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at was leading people and challenging them to be better
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tomorrow than they are today. So if I had any attribute worth
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talking about is that I love people.
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I love the potential of people and I think without people our
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world is a very sad place. Ed, we're we're going to get to
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racing in a little bit because you were a NASCAR car owner.
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I drove the Lance snack car for you.
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But please allow me everybody. I'm very interested in Ed
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running to McDonald's for quite a while.
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You you mentioned just now that Ray Kroc, you know the man that
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really distributed the the the restaurants all over the world,
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he had a chef. It is this tell me this concept
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you said he he got a chef. Is this how you all developed
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the McDonald's menu? Well, you know the McDonald's
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brothers, Dick and Maurice McDonald's out of California?
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They were actually from New England originally.
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Oh, wow. Mac was Mack was a foodie and
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Dick was an engineer. And Dick came up with a speedy
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concept for industrializing, cooking hamburgers.
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There's a big, long story there about them having a hot dog
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stand at the Hollywood studio, and everybody kept asking for
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hamburgers, and that's why they got in the hamburger business.
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So that was the genesis of it. But the hamburger was a very
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simple thing. It was a toasted bun, 14% sugar.
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The rest was flour, good flour and what have you, and a small
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hamburger. It was affordable.
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It was $0.15 and there were people selling hamburgers at
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that time for 9:10 and 11:00 cents.
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So back when I think about this, a coke of fry and A and a
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hamburger, it was less than a dollar.
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I think it was $0.07 and today it's so much higher than that.
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But you know, Ray Kroc was a visionary.
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He, they called him Danny Dreamer and he was, he was
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trying to make a fortune a million different ways.
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He was a marketing guy. He was really great with me.
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He was a wonderful man. He had his piccadillos like
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everybody else does, and he was selling milkshake machines.
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And his secretary, Jim Martino called him from Prince Castle
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and said, hey, these guys are buying five of these machines in
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California. So Ray was in, I think he was in
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Saint Louis doing something, I don't even know what.
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He was working for a Lily Tulip Cup company.
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And so he drove straight to California and sat on a picnic
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table outside of their restaurant for a couple of days,
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watching what was going on and trying to figure out why they
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were buying all these milkshake machines.
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That was because they were selling a ton of milkshakes.
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So ultimately he wanted to sell milkshake machines, but he
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decided maybe he'd be better to sell McDonald's franchise.
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So he struck a deal with them to franchise the concept and then
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ultimately end up buying a company from him that was in I
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think 1954 or five somewhere in that neighborhood.
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And I had the good fortune of working with Ray right up to the
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day he died. In fact, I visited him at
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Scripps Hospital in San Diego just before he passed away.
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And it was interesting. He was laying there quite I'll
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in his 80s. And I said, Ray, is there
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anything I can get for you? He said you had like to have an
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ice cream cone because he, he invented the twin twist after
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the Triple Ripple ice cream. So I called Steve Zadonik, who
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was our vice president in San Diego, and I said, dude, you got
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to get me some ice cream cones and get him over here in a
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hurry. So he came over, he had three
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ice cream cones and Ray had one. I had one and Steve had one.
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The doctor walked in and said you're going to kill him feeding
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that stuff. I said he's about dead anyway.
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What the hell difference. Oh my whore.
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I thought everybody was going to shit, but I said that.
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But he was a wonderful man. I just one last story about Ray.
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He visited me in Washington DC when I was running the franchise
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organization there way back in the 70s.
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And Ray said, Ed, you own a home and I said no, I can't afford to
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buy a house. He said buy a house is the most
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important thing you can do to secure your long term financial
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future. And I said OK, as soon as I get
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the money, I'll do that. And then on his birthday he sent
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me shares of McDonald's stock as his birthday gift to me.
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If you can believe that. Wow.
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And this was in October, I believe it was.
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And he said, here's your down payment on the House.
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Make sure we grow McDonald's so this stock gets more valuable.
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That's incredible. That's the level of generosity
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that man had. He was one of the kindest men
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I've ever met in my life. But he was tough as nails when
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it came to getting what he wanted and I had the good
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fortune working with. He might have totally passed
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away. And he got me involved in
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projects that were just amazing. You know, I had he one day he
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came to work and said I want to get a peanut butter and Jelly
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sandwich bar for breakfast. And I said peanut butter and
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Jelly. I said we're not set up to do
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that kind of thing. He said I want good fresh baked
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bread. I want you to get some great
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peanut butter. I want you to get some Smuckers
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jams and jellies. And I said OK, I'll go to work
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on it. I was head of product
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development at the time or they reported to me.
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So he leaves and goes back to San Diego.
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And I want to talk to my direct boss, Mike Quinlan, who ended up
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being the president of McDonald's and then chairman of
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the board. I said, Mike, he wants me to do
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a peanut butter bar. I think he's out of his freaking
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mind. He said, Ed, he owns the
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company. Get a peanut butter bar.
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Good reminder. Yeah.
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Just in case you forgot, it's the charge here.
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So I we had a bunch of salad bars that were like pyramids.
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They were, you know, 8 sided. Really.
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Octopus. They had multiple levels in
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them. So I took the bottom level and
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put different kinds of bread in. And next level was Jelly and the
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next level was peanut butter and we had cashew butter, peanut
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butter. And we put it into a restaurant
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called the Golden Arch Restaurant, which was an
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experimental restaurant in Chicago.
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Couldn't give the damn. After everybody bought one, they
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never bought another one. That was it How did how did the
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just a little bit more about McDonald's you're you're you're
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too famous to let it go. Just a couple more things.
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How did the Chicken Mcnugget or or Mcrib and and we'll end with
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McDonald's on on that note, how do you, how does that develop?
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Who? How do you create that?
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Well, the kids market was growing and we needed some kind
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of a product for kids that was perceived to be quote UN quote
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more healthy. Because that was during the 70s
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and the 80s when everybody was talking about, you know, food is
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medicine as as opposed to being just food.
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And I think it was Patty Turner who was Fred Turner's wife.
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Fred was Ray's number two guy. I think Patty Turner was what I
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said. You need some kind of little
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chicken Nuggets thing. I'll be darned.
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And Fred gets in the elevator with me one morning at 6:00 and
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said Renzi, I wish you'd figure out how to make Chicken
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Mcnuggets. I said For what?
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He said we're going to put Chicken Mcnuggets at McDonald's
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for for kids. I said oh, OK, so I got the
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product development department there a lot and I said, hey, we
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got to have Chicken Mcnuggets. And his reaction was the same as
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mine. What the hell is a chicken
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nugget? And ultimately we hooked up with
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Bud Sweeney and her blotman out of Philadelphia.
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They were two of our big fish supplier and meat beef suppliers
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and Darryl On and his team. And they actually bought a
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chicken factory in Nashville, TN and started playing with how to
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make chicken Nuggets. And we started off using nothing
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but thigh meat because they had a lot more flavor than breast
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meat does. And we deboned it with a high
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speed, very fine water jets took the skin off, took the meat off
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the bone. And then we took the whole
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muscle and just ran it through a process and then cut it into
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different shapes. Batter breaded it and fried it
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in oil. And originally we started off
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with four Nuggets at a box for kids and people were ordering
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four or five boxes. And we found out the mom would
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buy a box for each kid and then she would buy three or four
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boxes for herself. So then we went to six piece and
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you know eight piece and. That would have been me.
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That would have been me. And then Jeff, Renee developed
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all the sauces, dunking sauces and him being friends.
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Hey, you don't understand. It's not about the Nuggets.
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It's about the sauce, you know, You know, so we had, I think I
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looked at 64 or 65 different sauces before we landed on the
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server that we didn't. McGriff was a similar kind of a
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story. It was crazy.
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You know, obviously you can't sell the rib sandwich because
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you got bones in it and everything else.
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But everybody was doing the BBQ thing and I'll never forget
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this. This is about five or six weeks
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before Father's Day and we had one of our meat suppliers create
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a chicken or a a, a pork. It was 100% pure pork, but we
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formed it and put it into a a form and we pressed it so that
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it would look like a rib. It had ribs on it, literally had
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ribs on it. And then we put it in Kansas
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City Masterpiece BBQ sauce. It just set it in and we fried
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it first. I loved it.
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We grilled it and then stuck it in Kansas City BBQ because it
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was the best barbecue sauce in the world.
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Still is to buy mine this day. And we just put them in here and
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we served them out of there on a nice roll.
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And we we started off in Kansas and Saint Louis and we sold the
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hell out of those things. I bought them, yeah.
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And. Everybody, everybody in the
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company wanted to put it out nationwide immediately.
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Of course, you know, logistically when you got, you
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know, 15,000 restaurants, I think it's easy to say and hard
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to do. And I'll never forget this.
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This was Father's Day weekend and Fred Turner went absolutely
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nuts and said tell me what the trade out is.
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If people are buying that damn MC Ridge sandwich, what aren't
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they buying? Did they quit buying Big Macs?
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Did they quit buying Quarter Pounders?
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I want you to do a menu ticket study in Kansas City and Saint
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Louis. So we sent a swarm of people
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over Father's Day to take tickets out of every cash
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register tabulated to see what the trade off was.
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They came back and said it's brand new business.
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There's. No trade off.
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This is people we've never had before that love BBQ.
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Now there was always a little bit of trade off because people
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experimented what have you? And then it took off.
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Well, we found out it was really, really good for six
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weeks cause barbecues and every once in a while thing.
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You don't eat BBQ every day, eat hamburgers every day, but you
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don't eat BBQ every day. So now it comes back seasonally.
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It comes back for six or eight weeks every once in a while and
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they sell the hell out of it and then they take it off the menu
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again, so. I'll be darned.
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Well, what? What a great story, Ed.
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I I really appreciate you telling me about that.
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For me, it's so interesting to hear you hanging out watching
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the great Ray Kroc. I will tell you the truth.
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I've watched the documentary. I do know about it.
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I do. I knew.
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Do know that he was brilliant, you know, with real estate and.
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But anyway, OK, one last thing. My son-in-law is Brody Brody,
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Pompe, POMPE. Brody told me to tell you that
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the Ronald McDonald House is the real deal.
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His brother Briley had a stroke and the Ronald McDonald House
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truly put Briley up in the Ronald McDonald House when when
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they didn't have enough money and they're from out there in
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Oregon. So my son-in-law wants to thank
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you and became very serious when I told him I was going to have a
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conversation with you. And out of his words, the Ronald
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McDonald House is legit. It is the best charity in the
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world because 100% of all proceeds go to the charity.
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McDonald's pays all administrative expenses out of
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their own pocket. And it's an interesting story.
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Fred Hill, who was a tight end, the Philadelphia Eagles had a a
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child who had leukemia and he went to his business manager.
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Stan Lane and the Eagles put together a program called Fly
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for leukemia. Roman Gabriel was a quarterback
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of the Eagles and her Harold Carmichael was a wide receiver.
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He was about 6 foot 8 and they had a play called Fly for the
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Eagle and they would throw that ball downfield 100 yards and
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Harold Carmichael could catch it with one hand on a dead run
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because he was 4 feet taller than everybody else.
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And it was, it became very important.
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Well, they started this fundraising effort to help pay
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for Fred and Fran Hill's hospital stay and ultimately Kim
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survived. She died later from the results
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of all the chemotherapy she got and everything.
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I think she was in her 30s when she finally passed away.
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But out of that was born fly for fly for leukemia flyer, Eagles
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fly. And they took up collections at
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the Eagles football game. So they invited McDonald's to
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participate and we did and we gave them $0.25 Shamrock
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Milkshakes on Saint Patty's day. Were green, had no, no
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flavoring, They were just vanilla shakes with green
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coloring and we gave them a percentage of the the take in
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the Philadelphia TV market for the fly for leukemia and
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ultimately Dr. Audrey Evans, who developed the protocol for
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treating that particular leukemia, said to us, what I
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need is a halfway house between the hospital going home so these
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kids can transition, take their medicine in the family setting
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because leukemia is destroying families.
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We're saving the child and killing the family.
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So she said, can you give us more money?
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I said I'll give you all the money from the Shamrock
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Milkshake, if you call it the Ronald McDonald House.
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And Don Tuckerman, who is the head of the advertising agency
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Alcman Advertising, was very instrumental on that.
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He was probably really the father of the the Ronald
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McDonald House. He was a sweet and wonderful
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man. He's still alive.
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He lives over in Miami area, Florida.
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He's 92 years old, I think now. And we called up the Ronald
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McDonald House and I gave her $0.25 for every milkshake we
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showed, which is 100% of the proceeds.
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And then we just that house was successful.
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We built a second house and a third house, and Ray came to Ray
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Kroc, came to the grand opening in my invitation, Cut the
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ribbon, and he said I want to give $25,000 to every Ronald
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McDonald House that opens up out of my own pocket, his primary
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charity. And now I think there's over 500
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Ronald McDonald Houses scattered around the world.
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And they do. They not only do that, but
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Ronald McDonald House Children's Charities does a lot of research
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grants and childhood cancers and other diseases.
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They have halfway houses, way beyond the Ronald McDonald
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House. So it was a privilege, A
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privilege to have been slightly involved in that whole process.
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And it really speaks to the the, the good nature of McDonald's
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franchisees, 'cause they're the ones that do this stuff.
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It isn't the company, it's the franchisees.
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Yeah, well, Ed, thank you so very much.
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Ronald McDonald House. As Brody said, it's legit and I
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did not know any of this. And I will tell you Charlie
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Marlow behind the camera right now.
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He's a big fan of all sports and we all just learned a lot.
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Had no idea that that started with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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What a, what an unbelievable story that is.
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That story is not going to go under the radar.
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That is a really good. Story Think about this.
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October of 2024 is the 50th anniversary of the first opening
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of the first Wild McDonald House. 50 years.
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Wow, wonderful yesterday to me. And then all of a sudden I
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realized, well, shit, man, you're 80 years old.
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Yeah, we are. I'm 60, Ed, and you know well
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you're well, let's end the McDonald's like this.
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And Ed, I see you on Fox News. You're an incredible American
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businessman. I'm so honored and lucky to have
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you on Kenny Conversation. Let's end it like this.
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Give me your opinion. Now we're in a new world.
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We're in 2024. McDonald's is not the only fast
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food restaurant. Now we have a lot of other ones.
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How is McDonald's, in your opinion, doing today?
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I think it's doing probably better than it ever has in the
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history of the company. It's got great leadership.
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They're very good at surveying a market and deciding what's got
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to come next. They're very progressive.
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I think the cosmic idea is a good one that needs further
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development. It'll come in time.
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They're working on some other projects as well because the
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nature of food away from home is changing radically and
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particularly with this economy we got now with inflation as
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high as it is and with the Chinese buying up all of our
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agricultural land and ultimately they're going to be shipping
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food to China because they can't feed their own people.
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This is, you know, I don't know if you know this or not but
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they've they've purchased Smithfield Foods of the largest
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hog producer in the United States.
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The. Chinese did.
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Yeah. And you know there's there's
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this is there's a lot of great entrepreneurs in China.
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You know I was I went to China often to to open up McDonald's
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restaurants as a guest mostly. And so I don't, I don't want to
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talk about McDonald's anymore, but the the the whole world is
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changing radically. McDonald's is very well LED.
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They got great leadership and their anchor is the 5000
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franchisees in those restaurants because they got they, you know,
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it's like everything else. If you're an employee, you go
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home at night and you don't think about the company.
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If you own the damn place, you go home.
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That's all you think about because you got to pay the
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bills. Yeah, you know, it's like being
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in any other business. The owner always works more than
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any of the employees ever will. Yeah, people just don't realize
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it. Well, Ed, thank you. 25 minutes
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on McDonald's. It was fantastic.
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Yeah, But listen, I know the fans are going to love it.
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Kenny conversation. It's just that it's a it's a
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special conversation. So thank you so very much.
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Listen, I don't like for being known as the happy guy and the
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guy that laughs loud, but that's that's my gig and and I embrace
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it now. So you had a wonderful career at
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McDonald's. That's a very high end job to
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lead basically the world's greatest restaurant in American
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history. So it's over.
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Thank you so much. Let's move forward.
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All right, here we go. Wiping the slate up.
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I became very good friends with you because I was a NASCAR race
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car driver and I was running in the Cup Series, the highest
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level of Motorsports in America. That's what I was doing.
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You and your brother Sam came to me and you said, hey, we're
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getting in the NASCAR and we want you to, you know, be a part
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time driver for our Lance snacks car.
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And I did and I had the most wonderful time.
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How in the world did a man that runs a McDonald's get into
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owning a NASCAR Xfinity car? Well, I there's two different
24:33
pieces to that. First of all, I'm going to go
24:36
back way up. My mother used to take me to
24:39
dirt tracks in the coal strip pits in Ohio.
24:43
She had a friend by the name of Jack Browning that had a Hudson
24:48
Hornet and he raced at Grabitz Dirt Speedway in the middle of
24:53
this coal by and so she dragged me off the dirt races when I
24:57
was. My dad hated that stuff because
24:59
he was in the army. He was an MP.
25:02
He didn't want nothing to do with cars.
25:03
He was a County Sheriff. Cars to him were a pain, but my
25:08
mother loved that stuff. So then I went from Grabit
25:11
Speedway. I started going to a Speedway,
25:17
OK? The guy drove for McDonald's or
25:20
drove in NASCAR. His.
25:22
Was it in Ohio? What's?
25:23
What's Blaney's name is? It Blaney.
25:26
Dave Blaney. Yeah, Blue Blaney.
25:29
Yeah, Midvale, Ohio was the Speedway that was owned by their
25:32
family. OK and.
25:34
It was really very near where I grew up.
25:35
I used to go to Midvale Speedway all the time when I was a dirt
25:38
track and then I moved to Sharon, PA and went to tracks
25:41
there. I've always been a dirt track
25:44
racer and my first foray into racing was drag racing because
25:49
of my cousins. All the time were messing and I
25:51
went to the Salem Speedway. I actually drove a drag racing
25:55
car there when I was 13 years old because I was the smallest
26:00
person in our family. They didn't want to wait.
26:03
Scared the hell out of me. So time marched on and I'd go to
26:07
dirt track races all over the place.
26:09
Then when I moved to Chicago, I went to Santa Fe Speedway and I
26:14
saw some of the old NASCAR guys would go there and race and
26:17
there was a guy that won a NASCAR race and lived there in
26:21
Chicago and they started racing at Soldier Field.
26:24
I think in 1948. The last race there was the Ford
26:28
convertible race. So I just have always been
26:30
around the periphery of racing like in cars and the mechanical
26:34
side of things. So I decided I was going to
26:37
start a late model dirt car. So I had a a guy that built Indy
26:43
cars, build me a motor, really big motor.
26:49
And I went to different tire companies that said I want the
26:52
best tires you got. And I built a Ryan chassis and
26:56
Ace Coleman was my crew chief and my Jack male was a full time
27:02
fireman. He was a Fire Chief.
27:05
Ultimately the entire team ended up working at Chicagoland
27:07
Speedway in the infield with wreckers and tow trucks and
27:11
stuff because they were all here.
27:12
Heads. Well, we went to Santa's Fe and
27:15
we, I mean, we tore it up, man. I I bought the big hauler.
27:20
Nobody else had that. I was spending more money than
27:22
God on racing. I just flat ass loved it.
27:25
It was a hobby. That's the key.
27:27
You loved it. Yeah, I loved it.
27:29
I love everything about it. I love the people.
27:32
I love the infield. I love the drama.
27:34
Well, this is an interesting story.
27:36
Something happened. My driver got sick or something.
27:38
He couldn't drive the race car. So I said to my crew chief, who
27:42
the hell is going to drive this car?
27:44
He said we'll get Fireball Furman to drive it.
27:47
I said with the name like Fireball, he better be fast.
27:50
And his name actually is Art Furman.
27:53
He lives up in the villages here.
27:55
I know him. Yes.
27:57
And so he gets in my car. And if the car was really good,
28:01
I mean it was a special car. And he tells his dad, he said,
28:05
man, he said I don't want to wreck this thing.
28:07
He said this car is too good. He said, and this is the only
28:10
race I'm going to drive. And he said, I'm just going to
28:14
drop to the back and I'll qualify, you know, and I'm going
28:16
to just drop to the back and save the car.
28:19
Well, his dad comes up to me and tells me that.
28:21
And I bought the fireball. I said fireball.
28:24
I got more money than God. Your job is to win the checkered
28:27
flag. I don't care how you start in
28:29
this field, but you better win the damn race and I don't care
28:32
how you do it, he said. Why?
28:34
What if I wreck? I said, well then I'll buy
28:36
another car. That's what this is all about.
28:39
He won my first checkered flag ever at that race, never drove
28:43
for me again. If it is that he actually wrote
28:46
a book and has that whole whole chapter about that.
28:49
And I just flat told him I didn't come here to lose.
28:51
I came here to win. If you turn it upside down,
28:53
we'll just get another one. So I had a guy that was beating
28:57
the daylights out of me at the track and I walked up to him one
28:59
day and I said how much you want for this car?
29:03
He saw, you know, he just do a nice $40,000.
29:07
I said, OK, I'll write you a check right now.
29:09
He So I got to take the motor out.
29:11
I said no. I said how much do you want for
29:13
that car? That includes the motor, the
29:15
transmission, the tires, everything but the driver.
29:20
So I got to have $40,000. It's OK.
29:22
I'll write you a check, but we're taking it on my hauler,
29:26
not yours. To the garage.
29:28
That's. The way to buy one?
29:30
Play it with it. So we got that car and we
29:34
converted it over to my colors and everything and we won eight
29:38
races in a row at a race trap, which I'm not going to tell you
29:42
where it was because the owner and I got in a fight about this.
29:45
We won eight straight races and he came to me and said Ramsey.
29:49
He said you got to slow that car down and you're making you're
29:52
stinking up the show. Nobody wants to come here and
29:55
see you win every week. I said my job is to win races.
29:59
Your rate job is to run the race track.
30:01
I won't tell you how to run the race track.
30:03
You don't tell me how to run the team.
30:06
So I never went back there again.
30:07
Ever again. It was LaSalle Speedway and we
30:12
raced at Fairbury. We we hit all the Midwestern
30:15
tracks. We did Outdoor four or five
30:17
times and I and I always got had different drivers.
30:21
I always wanted different drivers.
30:23
I, you know, I wanted to spread the wealth around.
30:27
I really didn't care. I I wanted to win, but I didn't
30:29
care if I won. I just wanted to enjoy the
30:32
process and the people and it to me, I was a winner every week.
30:37
Well, that LaSalle Speedway experience, we ended up in
30:40
second place even though we only ran 8 races out of the 18 races
30:44
he had that year. But we had some damn many
30:46
points. He wouldn't give me the trophy.
30:49
Oh my, he said. I'm not giving you the trophy.
30:52
You didn't support the track. I said.
30:53
You didn't supported me. You told me to quit winning
30:56
races. I if I had to come out here, I
30:59
don't want every race because a real high bank Oval, we just
31:02
turned her loose. And there's there's an old
31:04
saying, be careful young man, competition will kill you.
31:08
So when you win a lot, isn't it strange when you win a lot?
31:12
People don't want that. They they say you're not a
31:14
winner, Then when you win too much, they only want you to win
31:18
just the way they want you to win.
31:20
That's a crazy thought, isn't it?
31:22
No, it's it's psychological. Jealousy becomes evil.
31:26
Very well put. And you know, I my attitude was
31:31
now when I look back on it, my arrogance was not good because I
31:37
bought the best of everything I could get my hands on.
31:39
I spent way too much money. Yeah.
31:42
And that wasn't fair to the people that had limited budgets.
31:46
And what I should have done was done that, but given different
31:49
drivers an opportunity to drive really good equipment and let
31:53
them have the wind instead of me.
31:57
And you know, and I got a good driver and we just hung in
32:00
there. And Jeff Finley from up in
32:04
Lansing Mission ended up driving my ARCA car because I wanted to
32:07
go into ARCA. And I had a guy that built
32:10
IndyCar motors down in the South Side of Chicago.
32:13
He built all my ARCA motors and believe this or not, I don't
32:18
know if you remember this or not, but you suggest that I have
32:22
Kenny Schrader Dr. My ARCA car in Springfield, IL at the big
32:27
dirt track. Oh, yes.
32:30
And so Kenny drove the car for me, and I'll never forget this.
32:33
You talk about the difference in drivers, in the elite drivers,
32:37
guys like you that get to the top of the pyramid.
32:41
And I know you don't consider yourself elite, although I do.
32:44
I think you're one of the best it's ever been.
32:46
Because you you were terrific, not only on the track, but you
32:49
were great for sponsors because you had a great spirit of
32:53
winning. That doesn't mean you always win
32:56
every race, but you have that spirit that wants to win every
32:58
race. So you suggested that Kenny
33:00
Schrader drive the car. So I got a hold of Kenny and he
33:04
showed up in his skull tobacco, green uniform and we're in
33:09
Springfield, IL. My crew chief, Ace Kohler.
33:12
He doesn't know an awful lot about dirt car or asphalt car,
33:16
but he was a willing guy. So he gets in the car and I
33:21
figure he's going to make four or five laps and commit and tell
33:24
us to make this change, that change.
33:26
He drove 40 straight laps, never got on the radio can.
33:30
He just drove 40 laps and he didn't just drive, but he was
33:36
powered down like he was qualified.
33:38
Every lap he comes in and I thought, OK, now we're going to
33:42
get a lecture about how bad this car is and everything.
33:45
We had a stopwatch on him so he knew he was doing pretty good,
33:49
he said I need a wrench. I want to adjust the front race
33:53
spring and so we give him the the, the spring wrench and
33:57
everything and he throws the hood up and he gets under there
34:00
and he makes a couple turns. I don't know whether he went in
34:03
or out or up or down, I don't have a clue.
34:05
Shuts the hood down and he puts the hood pins back in hands, the
34:09
wrench, the socket, the ace. Colder said I'm going to make a
34:12
couple more laps. He goes out and he makes 40 more
34:15
laps. What in the world?
34:17
At 80 laps in on this set of tires, I'm thinking to myself,
34:20
boy, he's tired, going to be burning off this car.
34:22
I'm going to have to buy some tires.
34:24
He comes in and he gets out of the car and he said don't touch
34:27
this car. And he said tires don't touch
34:31
it, don't do nothing to that car, just put gas out of it.
34:36
And he stood there and watched this, but I told the guys, I
34:39
said Kenny doesn't want you touching that car, Just back off
34:43
and leave it alone. Don't be jacking up and checking
34:46
the oil and shit, leave it alone, he said.
34:51
Don't touch it. Don't touch it.
34:53
And that was the first checkered flag I ever won outside that one
34:58
late model dirt car. I'll be darn.
35:01
And he is. He drove the wheels off that
35:04
thing. He was in the top five all day
35:06
long, just measuring everybody. And they were falling back and
35:10
falling back and falling back. And he never changed.
35:12
We never changed the tire. We never changed the tire
35:15
pressure. And then all of a sudden he's in
35:18
front and nobody can catch him. Nobody.
35:22
He just, he just the car and he were one.
35:26
It's the most amazing. I've never, ever, ever won a
35:28
race that was like that in my life.
35:31
I mean, I could tell them that Kenny Schrader's a pro.
35:34
Yeah, absolutely put. The hell out of it too.
35:37
One of the greatest dirt racers of all time.
35:40
He's done it all. He's Somebody said to me in
35:44
volution February down around Daytona, they said are are you
35:49
happy to have won the race Kenny and equal Kenny Schrader.
35:53
I said hold on, I said I can't carry Kenny Schrader's helmet
35:59
bag. He is the greatest dirt racer of
36:01
our era and he's won everything. You did a good job of choosing,
36:06
choosing Kenny Schrader because. Well, I took your advice.
36:09
Well, that's why you're a leader, though I.
36:14
Don't even remember this. I called you and asked you if
36:16
you'd like to drive and you said no.
36:18
Yeah, probably. I I might have felt like I have
36:21
a big thing about staying my lane.
36:24
If you would have asked me today, I would have said yes.
36:26
I don't think I was comfortable dirt racing at that time.
36:30
I was still learning. But Ed, let's let's move
36:34
forward, man. We're just tearing it up right
36:37
now. Let's move.
36:39
Let's take a big bite. OK, so you end up getting
36:43
Marine. The the Marines.
36:46
You know, I see that American flag behind you are great
36:49
Marines. They sponsor you.
36:54
You have Bobby Hamilton Junior in your car.
36:57
You're winning everything. If anybody looks at the stats,
37:02
you had Harold Holly as your crew chief.
37:05
You're winning everything in the Xfinity Series and then you know
37:10
time moves on and you get out of the sport of NASCAR.
37:14
What made you get out of the car ownership in NASCAR after
37:19
winning so much with Bobby Hamilton?
37:21
Junior, Well, it's kind of like a lot of things in life.
37:26
You get to a crossroads and you don't know which path to take.
37:30
But if you recall, NASCAR always had a great relationship with
37:36
the US military and with patriots.
37:39
You. Know.
37:40
You know the the the NASCAR family.
37:43
Bill France. You know, if you go back and
37:45
look at Bill France during World War 2, Bill France told me a
37:51
story about him being in the military and stopping at a
37:56
restaurant in New York City before he was shipping out and
37:59
he got he he. OK, I'm going to say it the way
38:05
it is. Shit on the shingle sandwich at
38:07
the donkey club for a dollar. And you know, Bill France was
38:12
brilliant. Jim France is equally so.
38:16
The France family are wonderful. I I just love them to death.
38:19
I think Lisa has done a remarkable job.
38:21
I hope Ben does as well. Ben Kennedy, her son, 'cause I I
38:26
love everything about motor sports.
38:28
I'm glued to that TV non-stop, but I just love the whole
38:32
concept of Motorsports. And you know the challenge
38:35
because it's every man's sport. The tennis isn't every man's
38:39
sport. Tennis isn't every woman's
38:41
sport. SASCAR is everybody's sport.
38:43
Because when you're sitting at grandstand, you feel like you
38:47
know you're part of it because you got a team and they're your
38:49
guys and the sense of camaraderie is fantastic and you
38:55
know, but Barack Obama got elected president.
39:00
OK. And before he even took office
39:03
in January, in November, he said the United States military is
39:10
never going to spend another dime marketing in NASCAR.
39:15
I remember this. And I got a phone call from
39:20
General Cortez, who is the head of the Marine Corps Recruiting
39:24
Command, he said. And he said, I'm sorry, He said
39:26
I'm under executive orders of commander in
39:49
Their marketing was anywhere near what it should have been.
39:52
You know, you stop and think about it is a recruiter goes
39:55
into a home and says, I want to recruit your son or daughter to
39:58
join the Marine Corps, and they're going to go kill people
40:00
and get killed. How do you sell that idea to a
40:03
parent? How do you sell that idea to a
40:05
mother? And it's much more than that.
40:07
It's about the country. It's about patriotism.
40:10
It's about growing up because when you join the Marine Corps,
40:12
you're going to grow up one way or the other, so that day.
40:17
You know, and this is in late November, I knew I wasn't going
40:21
to have a sponsor in January. And you know, the McDonald's
40:26
sponsorship, the Smithfield food sponsorship was all subsidized
40:31
by the McDonald's supply chain. It was a McDonald's car, but it
40:36
was paid for by Smithfield food. It was paid for by Tyson's food,
40:40
by the meat companies because it was a great marketing and
40:44
Smithfield Foods said to me, yeah, I'll put, I'll put $4
40:47
million in that car, but you got to run breakfast sausage
40:50
commercials all the time. So we set it up.
40:53
So we changed the look of the car depending on what markets
40:57
we're in to support. Although we did Kraft Cheese,
41:02
you know we did, we did all the different McDonald's suppliers
41:05
because it was a way to leverage, take a dollar of
41:08
marketing and turn it into $5.00 of advertising because NASCAR
41:12
has a capability. It's changed the day.
41:15
The economics are different, but the day that happened, the
41:19
economics went upside down because at that point we
41:22
couldn't do flyovers, we couldn't have any military
41:25
there, None of that. And I can remember when we had
41:29
the big race in loud New Hampshire that we won.
41:32
I bought 40,000 red roses and had 40,000 Gold Star pins
41:39
made-up. And every woman, it was on
41:43
Mother's Day, we won that race and every woman that came into
41:46
that stadium in up there got a red rose for Marine in the
41:53
salute. Wow.
41:55
Thank you very much for being part of the United States Marine
41:58
Corps. And every family that come in
42:00
was a Gold Star or a Silver Star family, meaning somebody wounded
42:04
or or killed in combat got a card with a special recognition
42:08
pin and then we handed out the cards to all the fans.
42:12
I spent probably $20,000 promoting the Marine Corps that
42:16
one day and then one year we had Charlotte.
42:22
I had a sunrise service for the military on Memorial Day.
42:28
You know, it's things like that where you take we we had, we had
42:32
one race I think it was in Denver, Co where I got helmets
42:37
from all of the Marine Corps aviation units and those were
42:42
the helmets and they all had the same radio system that we had in
42:45
our race team. And the helmets were used to go
42:49
over the wall for the pit crew and we had a story for every
42:52
helmet and I gave it to Benny Parsons.
42:54
I said the Jackman's got this helmet from this combat pilot,
42:58
the United States Marine Corps serving in da da, da, da, da,
43:01
da, da, da. And they read them on
43:03
television, you know, and that really bolstered the Marine
43:07
Corps as being the defenders of our rights to go race and have
43:12
fun and live a peaceful life. And you know, our United States
43:15
military is one of the most undervalued assets in the
43:18
history of man. So OK, I'm way off on.
43:20
Another No, no, no, no. I want to talk about this for a
43:23
minute, but. It was this Barack Obama said
43:26
that the said that the military was racist and we couldn't have
43:31
this. And 90% of the guys that were in
43:34
the Marine Corps that came to my race team were black.
43:37
I'm like, what the Hell's he talking about?
43:39
He has no idea who his audience is, but that was the beginning
43:43
of the end for me. I thought this is anytime you
43:45
get politics into sports, you got a problem.
43:48
This is unbelievable. This story right here is
43:54
shocking. You know?
43:55
It's crazy. Say something else too.
43:57
My whole family were Democrats. They were coal miners.
44:01
They were secretaries. My dad was a lifelong Democrat.
44:05
He was a central committee man. My mother was a Democrat.
44:08
Everybody in my family, coal miners, steel mill workers,
44:11
union guys, all were members of unions.
44:15
I grew up as a Democrat. That day when Obama did that, it
44:19
became a Republican. I said, never again can a
44:22
president of the United States take control of my fund because
44:30
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
44:31
Called a NASCAR racist. Wow, they're.
44:35
About it every since. They yeah, it OK, now we know
44:39
why you got out on NASCAR. Barack Obama, they made, hey
44:44
listen, you're an incredibly smart man.
44:46
I'm not going to question anything.
44:48
I'm going to say this brother Rusty, my brother, he said.
44:53
Herman, it's sad to say, but people have to remind you
44:58
because people remember what they want to.
45:01
I didn't know what to think. I didn't know what you were
45:03
going to say, but you just reminded me of that moment in
45:06
NASCAR. Thank you.
45:09
Now, do you, do you think that, you know, obviously I'm going to
45:14
ask another question later, but do you think that was one of the
45:19
reasons besides a lot of other ones?
45:22
I mean, that reason made you get out.
45:24
Do you think that was when NASCAR started having issues and
45:28
and nose diving and NASCAR fell apart?
45:32
I'll put a percentage to it. I believe NASCAR fell 70% 'cause
45:38
you know, listen, I looked in the grandstands, I looked at the
45:41
TV ratings. Do you think that time that they
45:44
made military get out of NASCAR that did disingenuous?
45:49
The fans were upset about everything.
45:51
Do you think that was the start? It I don't think it was.
45:57
It may have been a catalyst. It was it may have been a
46:00
trigger point. But there's there's a much
46:04
different kind of an issue that was collateral to that.
46:07
Keep in mind that the US military was very important to
46:10
people that grew up during World War 2, the Korean War, the
46:14
Korean conflict in Vietnam. So just park that for a few
46:20
minutes. We were we are a country of
46:22
patriots. I want to Fast forward just a
46:27
teeny, teeny little bit and keep this in mind.
46:30
The baby boomers, the people with the born in the 40s where
46:36
the lifeblood of NASCAR because they grew up with the cars in
46:39
the 60s. They became 20 in the 60s.
46:41
So cars were really, really part of our culture growing up.
46:47
And I, you know, when I was a kid growing up, we just love
46:49
working on cars, even whether we broke them or fixed them.
46:52
We were working on cars because it was such a thing and fins and
46:57
all that kind of stuff. Well, as as the baby boomer
47:00
started getting older and older and older, it became harder and
47:04
harder and harder to go to races.
47:06
And I'll give you an example of something.
47:08
I had this conversation with Lisa Kennedy going back to that
47:12
period and I said, Lisa, I want you to think about Daytona got
47:16
170,000 seats. Look at what people do when they
47:22
come to Daytona. They plan the whole year to take
47:25
a two week vacation and drive from Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and
47:29
they come to Daytona and spend a whole week for speed weeks.
47:32
And if they're lucky they get to come to the 24 Hours of Daytona
47:36
and some things like that, special events.
47:40
Those people are 60 years old. You have no bathrooms at the top
47:44
of the stadium, You have no escalators.
47:47
You have no ramps, so no place to park.
47:51
So I drive from Michigan. I'm staying in a hotel on the
47:54
beach. It's costing me a fortune.
47:56
The ticket prices are going up, and when I get to the racetrack,
48:01
I'm abused. Not by NASCAR, not by the track,
48:06
but because of the physicality of getting old.
48:09
I I'm 58 years old. I'm 62 years old.
48:12
I park in the outfield. I got to catch a bus walk.
48:16
I walk to the stadium. I get there in the morning, you
48:19
know, I'm eating hot dogs and Coca-Cola all day long, every
48:23
day. And then I got to walk all the
48:26
way up to the top of the stadium and there's no bathrooms except
48:30
down at the bottom of the stadium.
48:32
And I'm 60 years old and I got to pee more often than I used
48:35
to, and the whole thing from a physical standpoint got more and
48:40
more difficult. So that had an impact.
48:43
There was not a second generation coming behind them
48:46
that loved cars as much as they did.
48:49
So I'll never forget this. We had a board meeting in
48:51
Phoenix, AZ and I suggested to the France family.
48:56
You sat. You sat on the board of NASCAR.
48:59
I was on the board of International Speedway
49:01
Corporation. In fact, I was one of the owners
49:05
of the track in Chicago, Chicago Land Speedway.
49:08
I was, I was one of the 9 founders of that thing.
49:14
And so we're going to to Phoenix and the Cardinals built that big
49:19
new stadium that has the roll in, roll out grass field.
49:23
Well, they got escalators, they got ramps.
49:26
They got food and bathrooms on every floor.
49:29
I said we've got a redo Talladega, we've got to redo
49:34
Daytona, We've got to change Richmond.
49:37
We got to start getting more bathrooms, We got to start
49:40
getting elevators, escalators. We got to make it easier for
49:44
people to park. We need to start thinking about
49:47
transportation systems. We need to modernize the
49:51
experience so the older generation.
49:55
And the second thing we got to do is we got to figure out a way
49:58
to get young people in this business, because we're not only
50:02
aging out in fans, we're aging out in drivers.
50:07
I can remember when Chase Elliott was born, Bill was
50:13
driving the number 94 McDonald's car.
50:16
Right. And you know, when I was at the
50:19
races and you know, he said Cindy's pregnant.
50:25
Nine months later we got Chase and here he is driving today.
50:28
Yeah, they were sponsored by McDonald's.
50:31
What do you think about this? I I really love Dale Earnhardt.
50:36
He and I spent quite a bit of time together because of
50:39
hunting, not socially but at the racetrack, chatting and
50:43
visiting. And he got stuck in Chicago.
50:46
One time he came to a dinner and banquet up there that I
50:48
attended. He got stuck because his plane
50:51
got grounded because of weather. So I sat in the lobby that hotel
50:55
for about 10 hours with him and all we did was talk about racing
51:00
and him and growing up and you know, and things like that.
51:03
And he, you know, he's a pretty shy guy, you know.
51:07
And I can tell he was just lonely.
51:08
He didn't want to be there and he wanted to go home and like
51:11
that. And I started thinking about
51:13
Dale Earnhardt Junior, you know, and about how excited Dale was
51:18
when he saw his son and and he was going to win that race, you
51:23
know, at Daytona. And it was like and then he
51:27
ended up dying that day. You know, it it, it, it shocks
51:33
me to think about that, frankly. It was a horrible experience for
51:38
me and everybody else for that matter, including Dale and his
51:41
family. But why is it that Dale and
51:44
Kelly aren't into racing up to their eyeballs right now with
51:48
that legacy? You know, you think about Rick
51:51
Henry Hendricks losing Ricky. You you know there, there is a
51:55
lot. I've watched Dirty MO Media and
51:58
it was Chip Ganassi that looked at Dale Earnhardt Junior about
52:03
four months ago, Chip Ganassi says.
52:06
Why aren't you a Cup car owner? Come on, spend your millions.
52:11
You can get a sponsor, listen. And you know what?
52:15
Kelly told me. What I'd love to hear because
52:18
Dale Junior is my dear friend. Let's solve their problems for
52:21
them. Junior's listening to this.
52:23
You're never going to solve this problem, and it's not Stephen
52:27
Try. It's wrong.
52:29
They don't want it. They don't want it.
52:32
And I think the only reason why they're hanging and racing right
52:34
now is because they got so many family members that are legacy
52:38
to their dad that they're not going to give up on NASCAR until
52:43
those guys retire or quit or whatever they're going to do.
52:46
I think Dale Junior is doing exactly what he wants to do.
52:49
I think Dale had enough driving and you know, you got to stop
52:52
and think about this. Dale Senior was a remarkable man
52:56
and for him to die the way he did, I don't give a damn who you
52:59
are If your son and his daughter, that has a big, big
53:03
impact that is residual. That will never go away until
53:08
you've lived in those shoes. You can't.
53:11
You can't judge him. And I think he's doing exactly
53:14
what he should do for the reasons he should do it.
53:16
I think Kelly's doing what she should do.
53:18
They're beautiful people. They're really good at what they
53:21
do. I say they got a great heritage.
53:24
Leave them alone. Let Dale do his announcing
53:26
periodically. Leave them alone.
53:28
They don't want to be in NASCAR. If they wanted to be in NASCAR
53:31
with a Cup team, they could do it tomorrow morning.
53:33
They don't do it. They they they just stuck.
53:36
They're doing it because of the legacy of their father, but
53:39
they're doing it because he's not there.
53:41
And let's remind everybody that junior Motorsports, all the
53:45
equipment that's Rick Hendrick that that's all supplied by Rick
53:49
Hendrick. Yeah, they everything from Rick
53:52
Kelly told me that because I I talked to Kelly about getting a
53:56
Cup car because I was thinking about getting back into, in
53:58
fact, I'm working on a couple deals right now because I just
54:02
can't leave it alone. But my wife reminds me I'm 80
54:05
years old, I'd be smarter than that.
54:07
Don't let the old man in Ed. I trust me, I'm not going to.
54:13
Hey, let's in. My.
54:16
Hand Ed, it's hard to believe we're already in an hour there.
54:19
There's going to be part one, Part 2, Part 3 I can see right
54:24
now because I've never been given the opportunity to sit
54:28
down and discuss some of the Great American stories, whether
54:32
it's in NASCAR or the world today.
54:34
But we're going to have to have you back on.
54:38
But we but. But I want to end like this and
54:41
then we're going to do this again.
54:43
I hope I love talking about. No, we I'm.
54:47
Talking about sports. Yes, we have a long and a lot
54:50
more to go, but we're already at one hour.
54:53
So let let's end like this and then we're going to do more when
54:57
you have time because you're extremely smart.
55:01
Everything you just said hit me right between the eyes.
55:05
It's like, Oh my God, he's exactly right.
55:09
Your opinion, we've gone through a lot.
55:12
It's been very exhausting over the last 20 years.
55:15
The negativity has been overbearing.
55:18
I see NASCAR starting to trend upwards, averaging 3.84 million
55:24
viewers. You know things are looking a
55:27
little better than NASCAR. What is your opinion on NASCAR
55:33
right now? I love what the France family is
55:38
continuing to do. I think they're headed the right
55:41
direction. I think detuning these tracks
55:44
and getting getting rid of some of these seats was smart.
55:48
I think we better be very, very, very careful though about
55:52
allowing technology to take over this sport.
55:56
I think the the automobile companies have a lot to do with
56:01
NASCAR and this trend. Electric.
56:04
I'm going to mark my words when I tell you this.
56:06
The electric vehicle market is not going to grow.
56:11
It's too impractical. Now it's too expensive.
56:14
I own a Tesla. I love that car.
56:18
It is. It's saving me $250 a week in
56:21
gas. But I don't drive it outside the
56:24
city limits. Yeah, it's a local driver.
56:28
I don't do long distance travel. If I'm going to go long
56:31
distance, I'm going to go on an airplane because I can't stand
56:34
long driving. I have a Chevrolet SSR Hardtop
56:41
convertible pick up with a Corvette engine in the big, big
56:45
rear end and transmission because I like to go fast and
56:49
it's my toy. I'm going to go see my brother
56:52
in Greensboro, NC and I'm going to drive that car 12 hours.
56:55
I couldn't take the Tesla on that trip 'cause it adds a day
56:59
to the trip, 'cause there's no electric anywhere.
57:03
So when I look at NASCAR, I think this idea of electric car
57:07
series is bullshit. Excuse me?
57:10
No, I I said the same thing. It's Cal Dung.
57:14
Look, Look at. I love Formula One for the
57:17
technological side of the thing. I don't.
57:20
I don't think the racing is particularly good, but I think
57:22
the technology is unbelievable. Yeah, their their electric car
57:26
says you got to have two cars. Halfway through the race you
57:28
stop and get it into another car.
57:30
What kind of bullshit is that? We're not running an Endoro here
57:35
where we're going to change drivers every 5 minutes.
57:38
You're my man. You know, if the car can go
57:41
fast. Here's the thing, I say 25 cars
57:45
all going 50 miles an hour could have a great race, you know, So
57:51
maybe they need to take the speed down of those electric
57:54
cars and race at 80 miles an hour instead of 150 miles an
57:59
hour and not change cars, maybe shorten a race, but electric
58:04
cars aren't going to make it. I want you to think about this.
58:06
If we went to all electric cars tomorrow in the United States,
58:09
we'd have to spend $6 trillion just on electrical grid and
58:15
generation. We're we shut down all of our
58:18
coal-fired plants for generating electricity.
58:21
The electricity. The number one producer of
58:25
electricity in the United States today is oil and gas and
58:30
nuclear. What we ought to do is what
58:32
France did. We ought to start building
58:35
nuclear power plants. Pick one contractor and build
58:39
every nuclear power plant exactly the same way.
58:43
Same concrete, same design, same philosophy.
58:46
And have one big school where everybody that works in those
58:50
power plants goes to the same school, learns the same craft,
58:55
learns the same technology. So we can get the repetitive
58:59
growth that comes from wisdom. Just like the United States
59:04
military, They train a guy to fly an airplane today, just like
59:08
they have for the last 10 years. And it is You fly that airplane,
59:12
you're going to be the best pilot on the face of the Earth,
59:14
or you don't get to fly. But if you're going to work on
59:16
nuclear energy, you're going to make $500,000 a year.
59:20
But you better not make one mistake.
59:22
If you make one mistake, you're fired.
59:23
Losing a war is not acceptable, I I understand.
59:31
OK, well I could go on for another 5 days.
59:33
Ed, you're wonderful. Listen, everybody, we are in
59:37
podcast form. You can listen to the great Ed
59:40
Renzi on your way to work and then when you leave work in the
59:44
evening and you head home, you can listen to him again.
59:48
We are on iTunes and Spotify. Ed, thank you so much for being
59:54
on. I, I appreciate it.
59:56
Wonderful. And we're going to, we're going
59:58
to do, I think there's going to be a part. 2-3 and four and five
1:00:02
of the great end. Renzi, thank you.
1:00:04
One last bit of advice. Yes, Sir.
1:00:07
Keep the four rubbers on the ground and the shiny side out.
1:00:11
And I got to end like this, everybody.
1:00:13
It was Ed that talked me in to doing the Kenny Wallace Show and
1:00:19
encouraging me to hook up with Charlie Marlow, the ring light
1:00:22
that I'm using right now. Ed sent me.
1:00:26
I'm your biggest fan and I know you love me.
1:00:28
I love you. All right, everybody, listen.
1:00:31
Danica Patrick, we got Kyle Busch.
1:00:35
Everybody's coming on Kenny conversation.
1:00:38
Until next time. See you later.
1:00:41
See you, Kenny.