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Breaking Down Deception, Global Currencies and Chairs | J.B. Hixson · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to our podcast today. I'm here with doctor J. B.
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  Speaker 1: Hickson and we're gonna be talking about some really fun things,
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  Speaker 1: awesome things.
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  Speaker 2: But Jabi here, we are welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Thanks, Mana. I love talking with you. It's just
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  Speaker 3: like two guys sitting down with a cup of coffee
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  Speaker 2: It really is true.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, and this is this is healthy
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  Speaker 1: because you and I don't agree on everything. We agree
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  Speaker 1: these other little nuances in minutia we have different viewpoints.
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  Speaker 1: But it's done in the sard of kindness and love.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of the day, as
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  Speaker 1: we always say, you and Jesus are the only ones
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  Speaker 1: But we're gonna talk about really some of the room
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  Speaker 1: that we have as the church to disagree it and
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  Speaker 1: we're all looking to try to find answers in these
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  Speaker 1: difficult times. And so we're going to talk about you know,
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  Speaker 1: three things today the church falling into propaganda. We're going
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  Speaker 3: go through ten things that will be true of the
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  Speaker 3: world one minute after the raption, in other words, right
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  Speaker 3: after the rapture, which is a good segue for what
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be talking about today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna we're gonna tease some of that album and
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'll force you as much as I can to
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  Speaker 1: as we talk about certainly some things happening in the gap,
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  Speaker 1: which those will certainly help us understand.
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  Speaker 2: That that size of the gap or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So getting to some of the nitty gritty today, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about the church. The church today is we're living
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  Speaker 1: in the lea to see an age. We know for
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  Speaker 1: Timothy four that in the last days, you know that
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  Speaker 1: many will depart from the faith. We know that, and
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  Speaker 1: we see this happening. It's beginning the last couple hundred
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  Speaker 1: years with enlightenment and other things in the seminaries. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about falling into propaganda. Let's let's let's flush
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  Speaker 1: that out a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, you know, I think we're seeing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of parallels today between the modern church and back during
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  Speaker 3: World War two the church in Germany. And I know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, comparisons to Hitler are always kind of overused
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  Speaker 3: and overplayed, but I mean there's a point at which
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  Speaker 3: it really is striking the similarities. If you remember back
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties, the Nazi propaganda machine actually infiltrated
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  Speaker 3: Christian churches, and they had Nazi agents and put up
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  Speaker 3: Nazi flags, and they were from the pulpits and churches,
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  Speaker 3: challenging the churches to they must obey Hitler because of
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  Speaker 3: Romans thirteen and so forth. And you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: just sad how easily duped the church was. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: Wendy and I, my wife and I were talking recently.
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  Speaker 3: It's stunning how recent that really was. You know, when
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  Speaker 3: she and I were in grade school, that had only
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  Speaker 3: been thirty years earlier. I mean, that's amazing, and yet
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  Speaker 3: we have short memories. And so here we are twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four. Things really seem to be ramping up in
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  Speaker 3: terms of the global tyranny that is being rolled out
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  Speaker 3: by the Luciferians, as I talk about in my recent books.
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  Speaker 3: And sadly, the pulpits today are either silent or in
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  Speaker 3: some cases blatantly encouraging people to bow down and worship
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  Speaker 3: at the altar of government. And for those who might say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: there's a big difference between you know, wearing a mask
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  Speaker 3: versus you know, the Holocaust, I don't think you really
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  Speaker 3: understand just how evil the agenda is and how much
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  Speaker 3: their depopulation agenda is being advanced, and it truly is,
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  Speaker 3: to use another metaphor, like being boiled in the kettle.
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  Speaker 3: So I really think we're living in days when the
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  Speaker 3: church needs more than ever before to stand up, speak out,
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  Speaker 3: and be ready to be different and do what God's
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  Speaker 3: called us to do as a church rather than just
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  Speaker 3: go along with the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is so true.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk a little bit here about the reasons,
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  Speaker 1: because I remember, like my mother in law, which happens
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  Speaker 1: to be my wife's grandmother, My wife was raised by
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  Speaker 1: her grandparents and she was, you know, born in nineteen seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Here she was during that she was She's German, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's hardcore German. And as the truth came out, and
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  Speaker 1: as my wife got older, she would ask her mother
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  Speaker 1: or her grandmother, what.
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  Speaker 2: Were you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you let this happen? And even my grandfather,
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  Speaker 1: he he, he didn't talk much about things like this,
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  Speaker 1: but when he did, he became very very angry about it,
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  Speaker 1: because especially with the Holocaust deniers. He said, mono, I
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  Speaker 1: was there, I was there. I stormed the beaches of Normandy.
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  Speaker 1: I was there, I actually liberated. I forgot the name
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  Speaker 1: of the camp that he was there, and he goes,
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  Speaker 1: I went in and I smelled it. So he said
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  Speaker 1: these these you know, few choice words. Who deny the Holocaust?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, I was there. You can never tell me
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  Speaker 1: that it didn't happen. But yet you had all these
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  Speaker 1: things happening. You had it done with government sanctioned. Certainly,
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  Speaker 1: and we know the story of Bonhoffer and others who
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  Speaker 1: were one of the few resistors and paid with their life.
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  Speaker 1: But how could the church back then? What led them
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  Speaker 1: to be so blind and to end up becoming complicit?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's deception. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't just Jews as part of those six million.
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  Speaker 3: They were Christians and other you know, infirm and the
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  Speaker 3: feeble minded, and there were a lot, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: more Christians than people realized. But there's a new movie
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  Speaker 3: that Winny and I just watched that was really moving.
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  Speaker 3: It's called One Life, and it's about a gentleman who
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  Speaker 3: in the World War Two helped rescue Jewish children out
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  Speaker 3: of Czechoslovakia as the German troops Nazi troops were moving
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  Speaker 3: in and he was able to get almost seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: children out, but the last train was leaving with two
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  Speaker 3: hundred children on it right as they the soldiers came
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  Speaker 3: in and they literally pulled the children from the trains,
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  Speaker 3: and many of those children end up dying, and their
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  Speaker 3: parents almost all died. And it's just a very moving story,
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  Speaker 3: you know, presenting a stark reality of what life was,
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  Speaker 3: was life back then. But the dissident Czech novelist Zedner
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  Speaker 3: Urbanic warned, quote in dictatorships, we are more fortunate than
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  Speaker 3: you in the West in one respect, he said, we
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  Speaker 3: believe nothing of what we read in the newspapers and
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  Speaker 3: nothing of what we watch on television, because we know
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  Speaker 3: it's all propaganda and lies. Unlike you in the West,
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  Speaker 3: we've learned to look behind the propaganda and to read
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  Speaker 3: between the lines, and unlike you, we know that the
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  Speaker 3: real truth is always subversive. And you know that's from Zecholoslovakia.
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  Speaker 3: So I think the reason that the church misses it
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  Speaker 3: is we're just deceived. We believe the lies and we're
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  Speaker 3: not in the word of God, and we don't have
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  Speaker 3: courageous pastors like Bonhoffer, and I think frankly, most pastors
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  Speaker 3: today and I even you know, take a hard look
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  Speaker 3: at myself and wonder how willing am I to make
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  Speaker 3: that ultimate sacrifice when the time comes. I hope I am,
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  Speaker 3: and I probably am more prepared and equipped than many
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  Speaker 3: because of what we've studied in research. But it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: It's a hard moment, and so I just pray that
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  Speaker 3: the church is awake enough and aware enough of what's happening,
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  Speaker 3: because it's coming. It's it's coming like a tidal wave.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: And as we get to the end of a couple
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  Speaker 1: of topics, I want to discuss as it relates to that,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, you see a parallel, which is shocking
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  Speaker 1: that as you mentioned the parallel, it's really easy to
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  Speaker 1: see it. And again world War two or even the
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  Speaker 1: churches coming up into what Hitler did all around, and
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  Speaker 1: then certainly the Holocaust, as you said, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of other groups, but primarily Jewish people, and uh, and
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  Speaker 1: then what we see happening today after October seventh, and
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  Speaker 1: the churches, some churches wouldn't even pray for Israel. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even if you don't like Israel, you'd still think, wow,
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  Speaker 1: what happened was really bad. We pray for them we
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  Speaker 1: pray for the families, we pray for the people that
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  Speaker 1: that again that are that are abducted, and maybe even
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  Speaker 1: throwing a certainly throwing a prayer that Hamas would repent
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  Speaker 1: and get saved in the Palestinians, whatever. But it's like
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  Speaker 1: they just simply like it didn't exist. They didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. And so the events that are
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  Speaker 1: happening there and then if we follow that with dozens
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  Speaker 1: and dozen dozens of these pro Hamas rallies around the world,
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  Speaker 1: and the Liberal Church's denominations, of course they're involved in
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  Speaker 1: the BDS movement, the boycost divesting and sanctions movement against Israel.
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  Speaker 1: That's been many, many years, but this was just another
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  Speaker 1: way for them to stand out and to say, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is why we're against Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, could we say, I have your just reasons?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, does theology have did theology have a part
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  Speaker 1: to play back then in World War Two? And does
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  Speaker 1: that same type of theology have a part to play
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  Speaker 1: in what we're seeing now as it relates to trying
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  Speaker 1: to interpret what's happening with Israel today.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely in the church it does. I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 3: eighteen hundred years of dark Ages, where Israel is just
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  Speaker 3: in many people's minds and in many pulpit's a mythical
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  Speaker 3: biblical city or maybe a literal biblical city, but no longer,
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  Speaker 3: it's just an ancient biblical city, right, And so anti
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  Speaker 3: Semitism was its going on for two thousand years. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think many pulpits who practice and teach replacement theology,
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  Speaker 3: they don't see a future for national Israel in God's
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  Speaker 3: plan of the Ages, and they think the Church has
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  Speaker 3: replaced Israel. So to them it's you know, there's no
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  Speaker 3: theological basis or biblical basis to support Israel, which is
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  Speaker 3: crazy because, like you said, going back to praying for them,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when a hurricane hits a region, or a
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  Speaker 3: tidal wave or a big volcano or some other natural disaster,
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  Speaker 3: every church prays for the citizens of that region. But
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  Speaker 3: for some reason, when it's Israel, so many churches just act,
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  Speaker 3: you know, their tone deaf. They don't have no idea
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  Speaker 3: what's going on. So yeah, I think theology is a
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  Speaker 3: key reason why a church was so susceptible to Hitler's
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  Speaker 3: lies in World War two, and and the lies today,
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  Speaker 3: especially our young people are buying into the propaganda. It's
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  Speaker 3: it's a concerted effort on social media to sway people
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  Speaker 3: away from uh, you know, from from Israel. And that's
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  Speaker 3: why we need courageous pastors today to stand up and
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  Speaker 3: teach a dispensational understanding of scripture. When you read the
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  Speaker 3: Bible in its literal, grammatical, historical, you know, approach and manner,
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  Speaker 3: you cannot help but arrive at the fact that God's
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  Speaker 3: promises to Israel are sure, they're they're permanent, and they
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  Speaker 3: have not been fulfilled yet and we can look forward
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  Speaker 3: to that in the future.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to me, Jeremy thirty one, if you can
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  Speaker 1: measure the the heavens, if you can measure the earth
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  Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of the earth, that the
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  Speaker 1: if the sun of the moon ever stopped, well, then
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  Speaker 1: then then then you could accuse me of of abandoning his.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll ask you, I mean you you you're a
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  Speaker 3: bit of an astronomer and have a have a telescope.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, last time you checked, are the sun and
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  Speaker 3: the moon and the star still there?
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  Speaker 1: We're still there, getting in the moon is getting in
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  Speaker 1: my way, okay, because it's too bright. So we do
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  Speaker 1: see this, Uh, let's talk a little bit shift for
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  Speaker 1: a moment, because of course we've seen the failure of
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  Speaker 1: the Church. It was very easy to see this with
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  Speaker 1: with the Israel and Israel's so folk, you know, such
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  Speaker 1: a focused thing theologically and again even to the future.
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  Speaker 1: But propaganda doesn't end at just them misunderstanding the role
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  Speaker 1: of Israel. Right now, for the most part, every Christian
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  Speaker 1: we have to come down and here's the question, where
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  Speaker 1: do Christians get their truth from?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, as I talk about in my most recent book,
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  Speaker 3: which is called which is.
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  Speaker 2: Called That'll be fun. Don't lean on that one. Sorry, broke,
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  Speaker 2: all right, where do we pick that up?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Uh say that last sentence again that you said.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, where where do Christians get their truth? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So, as I talk talk about in my most recent book,
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  Speaker 3: Spirit of the False Prophet, Rise of the Global Technocracy,
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  Speaker 3: subverting truth is Satan's oldest trick. In the book, he
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  Speaker 3: used it in the garden. He's using it with his
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  Speaker 3: accomplices today, and the Antichrist and false Prophet are going
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  Speaker 3: to subvert truth during the tribulation. So I think people
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  Speaker 3: need to get the truth from the Word of God.
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  Speaker 3: That's the starting point. That's the true north. Right, we
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  Speaker 3: don't declare what truth is. That's Satan's oldest lie. He said,
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  Speaker 3: has God really said, you know, you'll know the good
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  Speaker 3: and evil if you just follow me right, and you
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  Speaker 3: know that means truth is within you. But truth is absolute,
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  Speaker 3: and Jesus said, I am the truth. So we've got
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  Speaker 3: to have a solid rock on which to stand a filter.
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  Speaker 3: If you will, agrid to funnel all of the truth
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  Speaker 3: claims in life through and see what to accept and
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  Speaker 3: what to reject. And that's the word of God. So
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  Speaker 3: any truth or principle or propaganda that cannot stand the
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  Speaker 3: test of scripture has to be discarded. Unfortunately, most Christians
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  Speaker 3: today get their truth from television, radio, even so called
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  Speaker 3: evangelical readers and our teachers and books and authors. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they have no discernment. The premise of my latest book
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  Speaker 3: is First John four to one. Many false prophets have
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  Speaker 3: gone out in the world. Therefore we need to test
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  Speaker 3: the spirits. And most Christians don't even think about doing that.
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  Speaker 3: They latch onto whatever is the on sale, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever has the big bells and whistles and the balloons
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  Speaker 3: on the end. Cap Hey, I'll take two of those
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  Speaker 3: because the cover looks great or the title looks great,
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  Speaker 3: they don't take the time to look at the background
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  Speaker 3: of the author who's endorsing it. They have no grid.
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  Speaker 3: If you were to peeled back the scalp of most
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  Speaker 3: Christians and look at their worldview, I think you would
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  Speaker 3: see this twisted, disconnected, self contradictory web of inter related
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  Speaker 3: beliefs that have no consistency. And we've got to get
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  Speaker 3: back to the word of God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think even as in my own.
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  Speaker 1: Journey, God has been gracious in the sense of if
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  Speaker 1: so says Wellmanda, what do you believe about X economics
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  Speaker 1: or what do you believe about this social idea? Ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: my goal has always been, well I believe a. And
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  Speaker 1: if they said, why, well, because the Bible says this,
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  Speaker 1: and so to be able to tie every part of
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  Speaker 1: every person's worldview as much as possible back to a
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  Speaker 1: Scripture verse at least one or many, because that helps
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  Speaker 1: shape As you mentioned, that's the grid, so that when
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  Speaker 1: the lies come the these are God's thoughts, I mean, right,
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  Speaker 1: these are God's thoughts, and the goal is to when
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  Speaker 1: they're properly interpreted for sure we know that things can
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  Speaker 1: be not interpreted properly, but when they're properly interpreted, we're
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  Speaker 1: thinking after God's thoughts. So what's your view about again,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's abortion or marriage or any other social
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  Speaker 1: issue or even government. Well, God says, and that's important.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing that I think.
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  Speaker 1: Is is if we just in a practical way, is
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  Speaker 1: right now we're entering in and maybe you can comment
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  Speaker 1: on this. We're entering into the age of advanced artificial
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  Speaker 1: intelligence advanced computing, which means deep fakes pictures, deep fake videos,
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  Speaker 1: deep fake articles that are written by AI. So somebody says, well,
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  Speaker 1: I saw this, I saw here this picture, I saw
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  Speaker 1: it online. And my first question is, and I'm still
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: getting there myself, is it helps me as kind of
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a somewhat as a journalist if I wanted to say
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it that way that I'm reporting things to people.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Is the question did you vet that? Yeah? Did you
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: vet that? That's the first thing I need to ask myself,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Did I vet this? How do I know that's true?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And yet Jesus said in Matthew twenty four to four,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be worse than the first thing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Don't let anybody deceive you. I mean truth.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be no how do you distermin an intertruth
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: besides the word of God during that period, but even
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: now so in a practical way, how do we how
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  Speaker 1: do you what's your your when you hear hear an article,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: something that comes through and you're gonna report on it,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and how do you process things? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I just actually spoke on that a couple of or recently,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: let's just say, on how to interpret the news, And honestly,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of it is just intuitive the more you've
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: done it. And so this has been a journey that
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: we've been on for almost twenty years now of really
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: recognizing the deception and and so forth. So sometimes you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I can kind of smell our rap, maybe more easily
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: than I used to be able to. But I think
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: it depends on you know, whether you're talking about written
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: text or a picture or whatever. But I think if
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: you start searching and you see that this information is
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: only coming up on a select few, less than reputable sources,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: that should raise a red flag.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: What Facebook?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well TikTok, Facebook and TikTok and all Instagram
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: are those are just conduits of you know, present information.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So you can have a genuine news article or genuine
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: picture that has gone viral, so to speak, and it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: you know, populated through Facebook, so that it's on Facebook
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: isn't necessarily a red flag. But if it's only on Facebook,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: or it's some source that you've never heard of.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Individual put putting something out some individual.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Saw, yeah, yeah, some story that's not vetted at all.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But you know, if it's a Getty images or if
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: it's a you know, a copyrighted thing and you can
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: go back and source, it doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: but at least it's not completely fabricated, you know, disinformation,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And then you have to decide is this is this true?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: The problem is mainstream media loves to mix because it's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: all controlled. As I've talked about in my books and
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I talked about at the Orlando Prophecy Summit, they love
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: to mix truth with lies. That the best lies are
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: those that are ninety eight percent true, you know, So
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: they do disinformation, misinformation, misinformation has we didn't you talk
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: about that at the comforter was at Brandon Holdhouse. I
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: can't rely Yeah, one of them, one of the speakers
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: defined it. I've defined it before myself but you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: misinformation has elements of truth, but it's not relevant to
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: what's happening, so it kind of leads you astray. Disinformation
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: is just outright wrong. It's just simply provably false.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: It's sometimes intentional.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Very usually intentionally. Yeah, it's the Hegelian dialectic. You're trying
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to foment lies and caused dissension. So you know, how
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: do you do it? I mean, it depends on the situation.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: There's no magical pill where I can say, hold up this,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you know, blue light, and it'll tell you true or false.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I wish it were that simple.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: It takes wisdom, it takes counsel.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Is the default? Can I just say this? Then people
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: need to have a default of skepticism?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, I love it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Can we just say that?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah? If you just assume most of the time, if
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: your knee jerk reaction is this is probably a lie,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: you're going to be better more than often than you're wrong.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So I hate to sound so cynical and skeptical, but
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: that's that's the truth. And sometimes when I'm speaking, because
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: we do a daily podcast and I'm constantly interacting and
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: providing reflections on current events and in real time. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: don't always have time when a story pops across the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: wire to go check it out. But I'll just go
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: out on a limb and I'll say, you know what,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I bet you this is what's going on here. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I'm almost always right, not because I have inside information,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: it's just you kind of learn to pick up on these.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You start kind of with. Again, that's that's called discernment.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Or critical thinking, right, Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: so yeah. I mean people, we've all become, not just
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: in the church but in society at large, very lazy.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: We like to be spoon fed, you know. It's that
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: thirty second sound bite, you know, approach, and and I
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: get that a lot. I'm sure you do too. People
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: will forward you stories limit and you go, okay, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: first of a lot of times, just because of the source,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I just dismissed.
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  Speaker 1: Or the title, or I can watch like five seconds
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: or even thirty seconds, I'm like, not worth my.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Time, worth it if it's that outrageous, you know, you
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: just but it's discouraging, frankly that more Christians are that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: easily duped. But again deception, Paul tells us in second
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  Speaker 3: twenty three thirteen is going to get worse and worse.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And I'll give you one example quickly is that this
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: last week there's been, of course a lot of discussion
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of the red heifers, and so I've been, you know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: talking to a lot of people, and because Passover is coming,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and they've made claims to do that on that they
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: want to do the ceremony, I'll passover April twenty second. Well, CBS, CBS, right,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is mainstream media. They went to Israel
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and they interviewed Jitsak Momo, which was one of the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: rabbis involved. He was in Texas and they're interviewing him,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and so they're doing a thing on the red heifers.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And just right out of the gate, I could tell,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I could feel, I could not feel it's the wrong word,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I could.
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  Speaker 2: I could hear.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: The tone was very anti Israel, and they were talking
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: about Hamas and how Moss made reference to the red
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: cows and that's one of the reasons why they attacked.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And so you could see that their tone was very
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: anti Israel.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But then at the end, as they were talking about
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the whole thing about the red heifers and what the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: rabbis wanted to do, and you know the five cows
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that came over. Well, then they showed they made They
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: showed this clip of this huge altar, I mean probably
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: fifteen twenty feet tall, thirty feet forty feet long, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they showed this alter and they said, this is the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: altar that they plan on using for the red heifer ceremony.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, I'm in the know on all
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm like, how did this happen? And I
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: didn't know about it. I was like, no way and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: so and I also, you know, I know where the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: property is and I'm like, that doesn't that doesn't seem
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: right that, I mean the properties on the Mount of Olives.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: You know, the Mount of Olives is you know, has
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: very specific landmarks and I'm like what how So anyways,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: come to find out, reached out to a few people's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: sources in Israel and they oh, no, that that that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that altar ramp was built in the late nineties down
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: south of the Dead Sea and it's completely tore down now,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: but it's absolutely from a long time ago. So what
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: CBS did is they took old footage that they had,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it was real footage, and they implanted it in this
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: story about the red heifers, completely one percent a lie.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And they knew it was a lie because they interviewed
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the guy. And I recognized that when when they were
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: interviewing him, they were interviewing the rabbi on the spot
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of the Mount of Olives and there you could see
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the backdrop, and it's like, so they totally they were
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: there on property. There was no altar there, but yet
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they brought this footage out. Yeah, And at first I'm like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, look at this. This is amazing. Could
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: this be true? How did this happen? And then so
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I almost got sucked into it. Thankfully I didn't share
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: with anybody except for trying to vet it out. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: here so did they ever issue or retraction?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: No, No, it was intentional.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I know it's intention but when they get
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: caught and I don't know who caught them.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody caught him and called them out,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: that's a good question.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Well, this is I actually just talked about this in
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: my video how to Interpret the News. I showed some clips,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: famous clips that are are well known, and then they
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: have addressed the media has addressed, for example, CNN during
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the First Golf War. You know, they had broadcasters. You
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: can still watch the clips day I have. I show
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: them in my presentation, Uh, broadcasters on top of the
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: CNN headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia, with green screens, claiming to
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: be in Saudi Arabia reporting on the I mean they're
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: literally wearing helmets and hey, here comes another bomb and
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: we better grab our gas masks. And when they finally
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: got outed about it, CNN said, well, yeah, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: we we acknowledged that we did that was for the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: safety of our journalists. What we were reporting was true.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: We just wanted to add some look and feel to it,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: so we made it seem like they were there. See
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: it all the time with weathermen that claimed to be
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: in hurricanes, they're actually in green screens. I sewed a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Fox News clip where they were talking back during the
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Gislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein story. They showed a picture
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of Jeffrey Epstein and they photo shopped out Donald Trump,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: who was right there with his arm around him. I mean,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it's again a copyrighted picture, and they just, for obvious reasons,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: didn't want to reflect poorly on Donald Trump, so they
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: but they needed a picture. It was a good picture.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: There's no problem, Well, just to edit the picture the picture.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I mean this is you cannot believe anything you see
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: in the mainstream media anymore.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Even the stuff that lately, you know, they show these
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: pictures of these starving kids or these things in the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: allegedly from Gaza, like no, this picture is from Syria
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: when a DoD you know, gassed his own people.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: From twenty fourteen.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: So they they're repackaging these these images in order for
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Again the keyword here is propaganda. And so you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, just listen, everybody,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you know, all of us, you and me included.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: We got to vet everything out so so carefully.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And not only with what we believe ourselves, but secondly
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: what we might share with somebody. And because another way
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to say it is if you believe it or if
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you pass it along. It's the Bible speaks a lot
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: about gossip. Well, gossip the dead definition is unfounded and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: sharing at least one of many nuances.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he who answers a matter before he hears it,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: it is folly and shame to him.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And the biggest deception, which we can't you know in
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: this segment without mentioning is toward the gospel, and Satan
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: is propagating so many false gospels. Now we've got Ai Jesus,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: we've got works based gospels, we've got performance based gospels.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: And Paul tells us that he's blinding men's the minds
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: of men to the gospel. So that's the most tragic thing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And that's why it not by works. We've been passionate
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: about the clarity, accuracy and urgency of the gospel. We
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: talk a lot about urgency and the context of end
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Time's prophecy, but there's the the the accuracy of it too.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And this gospel is quite simple. Christ died for our
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: sins and rose from the dead, and whoever places their
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: faith in him, and him alone is the only one
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: who can save them. We'll have eternal life, period. Nothing else.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: There it is, yeah, there it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Is, I mean, and as we know, you know, it's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: always faith plus something that that that's that's the gospel
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of the Galivations that Paul is condemned as being anathema,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: whether it's from an angel or anybody else.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And so well, this is this has been good again.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Everybody think about propaganda it's it's going to get worse
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and worse and worse, so it always be on the guard. Well,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the other another question that that kind of I want
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to get into is we've been seeing this a little
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: bit more and more as we are getting closer to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: certainly the rapture every day, we're getting closer. We know
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that's that's a fact. You and Lee Brainerd were talking
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: about this on your podcast recently, and we see the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: uh this idea of a gap. So the rapture happens,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and then how long until the start of the tribulation period?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So why don't we start there? What is required for
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: what signs I'll say this accurately carefully, what signs must
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: precede the rapture? Okay, if any? And then what starts
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the seventieth week of Daniel or the tribulation period.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll start with the second question first. So the
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: start of the seventieth week of Daniel is very clearly
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: described for us in Daniel nine twenty seven. It's when
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the Antichrist confirms a covenant and so that's that's the
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: hard start to it. That starts the clock ticking on
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: that final seven year period that Shabua is the Hebrew
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: word that Daniel talks about a week or a seven
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: period of seven years. One shabua is a seven year
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: period in that context, so that one's an easy one
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: to answer the first question, which was how long is
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the gap?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Or I forgot oh I said what events must precede
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the raption?
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so my view is based on a variety of
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: theological conclusions on the doctrine of emminacy. Nothing must precede
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the rapture. The rapture hypothetically could have happened at any
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: time in the last two thousand years. That's why you see,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: for example, seven times in the New Testament, all of
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: them by the apostle Paul, except in Hebrews, which if
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Paul wrote hebres, then all of them by Paul. The
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: word opic dekama i eagerly waiting. Well, you don't eagerly
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: wait for something that you know is going to happen
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: at a prescribed time. You know, you might be getting
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: ready for it, but if you know it's not going
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: to happen till next Tuesday, you're not going to be
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: eagerly waiting for it on Friday, right, several days today
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: or even Yeah, so you know apic DEKAMAI means to
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: eagerly wait for it. We are eagerly waiting for the
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: return of the Lord. We also know that the Church
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: is not going to be part of the wrath of God,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: which I believe is the seven year Tribulation. Think that's
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: the formal prophetic wrath of God. You see that they're
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: already hiding from the wrath in Revelation six as the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: tribulation gets started. I know the different people in the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Bible prophecy will take different view on that, but that's
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: my view. And so Paul tells us we will be
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: rescued before the great and terrible day of the Lord's wrath.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So knowing that we know the rapture must happen, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: then after the rapture, that's when the end Times really
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: kicks into gear. So I don't see any prophecy if
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: you make a list of unfulfilled prophecies, which we actually
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: have a list of the sequential order of End Times
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: prophecies as an appendix in our book What Lies Ahead.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: But if you take that list, I don't think anything
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: is going to come before the rapture. Other words, raptures
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: number one, you don't have one, two, three, four, five,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: and get down to number six and it's the rapture.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're because if that were the case,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: then we would be watching for these things first before
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the rapture. So I don't think any prophecy must be
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: fulfilled before the rapture. The rapture is the next event
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: on God's prophetic calendar in my estimation, So going for
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the sake of people out there. So that's why I
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: asked it the way Dad is Okay, the rapture is
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: not very specifically tied to any pre events of any kind. Now,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: could something happened prior to the rapture, Let's say Ezekiel
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: thirty eight, hypothetically any other some of these outliers, whatever
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: they might have at me, Ezeical thirty it's probably the
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: easiest one because I think all of us see that
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: is being unfulfilled historically. So is it possible, even hypothetically
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: that could happen prior to the rapture? Yeah, So in again,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: going back to one of my books, it's called What
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Elies Ahead. It's a biblical overview of the untimes. It's
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: basically an eschatology textbook. I have a whole chapter on
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Gog and Magog, and I mentioned I think eight views
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: among dispensationalists about the timing of that, So that right
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: there should tell you this is an area that we
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: want to hold with a degree of humility, like we
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: should all use. And different scholars have placed it in
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: different places. So what I've come to realize is that
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: we like to think in terms of hard, fast, precise
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: moments on a timeline, and I don't think it's going
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: to be as clear as what we think in real time.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: In other words, someday, when we're all in the eternal
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: state and the new Heavens and the New Word, looking
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: back over human history, then we'll be able to pinpoint, well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that's the date of that, that's the date of that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like today the history books talk about
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the start of World War One with the assassination of
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Archduke Ferdinand, Well, when that happened in real time? What
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: was in nineteen fourteen? I think it's not like the
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: minute the gun went off, or I don't eve remember
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: how he was assassinated, but it's not like the moment
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: he died. All of a sudden, bells and Wilsle's went
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: off announcing the start of World War One. We just
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: you know, things happen in real time, and then as
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: we kind of do you know hindsight, we begin to say, Yeah,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that pretty much triggered the chain of events. So yes,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: could it if you change the word to could it happen,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I think we could be seeing the rumblings and beginnings
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: of what maybe someday will be called the start of
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: this northern of a invasion of Israel today. And that
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: doesn't violate imminency. It's not saying that a prophecy is
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: being fulfilled at that moment. It's just saying that the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: stage is being set. And that's the terminology that I've
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: used most of my years in terms of describing end
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: times prophecy as the stage is being set. If you're
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: more comfortable saying that's sort of the beginnings of Zeko
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: thirty eight and thirty nine Gog and Magog, I don't
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: have a problem with that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Theologically would we talked earlier about I know Frechtenbaum in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: his writings he spoke about the possibility, based on the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: burning of the weapons for seven years that he felt
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that again not dogmatic, that the Gog Magog war would
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: occur three and a half years prior to the start
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of the tribulation period, because then you'd have that three
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and a half years of burning prior to start of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the Seventh Week, and then the first half of the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Seventh Week would be the final three and a half
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: year period of the burning of the weapons, because at
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the midpoint, according to his perspective, Israel wouldn't be able
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to burn the weapons because they'd be so discombobulated by.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Fleeing to the mountains, et cetera.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So, in that sense, the I don't remember whether he
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: discussed the rapture again, the rapture can't be tied to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: anything we know that, so is that scenario at least
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: possible or feasible? Again, I'm not saying how problem is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: because we don't know. But could we again going back,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: could we see could that happen and then the rapture
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: happens after that?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Again, I think you know, the beginnings of it could happen.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: We may not identify it as that. It may be
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: happening behind the scenes. It's kind of like people say, well,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: since we know the tribulation is precisely seven years even
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: to the day in some place. Yeah, so you know
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: how people won't know when the Second Coming is happening
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: and they need They might be caught off guard as
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Jesus describes, and passages like the ten Versins and so forth. Well,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the fact is, you won't know when that quill hits
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: the sheep skin, or the pen hits the paper or whatever.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: However they're signing the treaty at that moment. That'll probably
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: happen in some back office, and then they'll make an announcement.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: You won't know the minute, the second, the hour that
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that actually took place. So it's kind of hard to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: say for sure, but yeah, I think it's possible. You know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I love Arnie Fritchtenbaum. He's just he's brilliant, he's a friend.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily see the gap of time being many
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: many years the way he outlines it, but his view
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: is certainly plausible and it doesn't violate any scriptures. It
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: fits the biblical data. But that's what we're all trying
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to do, is take the biblical data and come up
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: with schemes and scenarios that work. Andy Woods, an other
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: dear friend of both of ours, you know, he puts
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: the entire Gug in the Megag in the Tribulation in
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: a very unusual view really. In fact, he's the only
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: one I know that kind of fleshes it out quite
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: that way. Some people put it in the first half,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: some people put it in the second half. He kind
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: of puts it starting in the first half and bleeding
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: over into the second half. So, you know, I respect
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: those views and who knows, But for my part, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: don't see Gog and may Gog having anything to do
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: with within the seventieth week of Daniel. And here's my reasoning.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's too simplistic, but basically, of course people know
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Gog and Mayog involves a northern alliance coming against Israel
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: to try to attack God's nation. In the first half
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: of the tribulation, Israel is protected by treaty from the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: world leader, the anti Christ, and no one would would
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: dare to come against them because they're protected. The Bible
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: tells us they're protected for three and a half years.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: In the second half of the tribulation, you know that
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: treaty is broken, and you know we know that the
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: cording To's Eco thirty eight and thirty nine, that northern
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: alliance that does come against them, and it's very vivid
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the description you get there, uh, is defeated. Well in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: the second half, Israel's you know, you know, is Israel's defeated,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: not the Alliance. Israel's fleeing, as you said to the
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: mountains on the run. It's so I just don't see
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: it fitting in either part. That's why, you know, I
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: tended to put it between the rapture and the start
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: of the tribulation. But you know what's interesting, and you
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: and I were talking about this before we started, that
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: gap of time between the rapture and the second coming
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: over the years, if you read the writing start of
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the Second, the start the start of the tribulation. Yeah,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: so the gap between the rapture and the beginning of
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Daniel seventieth week, that gap has gotten bigger, bigger, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: it just keeps growing time as current events happen, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: people keep shoving all kinds of stuff in there, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: they may be right.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But they may not be right.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: But where I've you know, adjusted, my thinking somewhat is
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: realizing as things are changing so rapidly, you know, with
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the one World system, the central bank, digital currencies, systems
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: that could you know, be employed to roll out the
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Mark of the Beast. I could very easily see some
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: of these rumblings happening before the rapture. Doesn't mean it's
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the fulfillment of a prophecy. It's the setting of the stage,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the setting of the stage. Because you know, I think
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: too that you know, all of us for at least
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: for me for thirty years and others. In the sense
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: of talking about a cashless society, I mean that goes
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: way back. I mean before I was a Christian, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: we you know, we base it off of Revelation thirteen
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: seventeen about buying and selling and everything else. Well, the
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: idea of a of a cashless system, I mean that began,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: you know, a long time ago in certain things, especially
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: in China and other places. So just because you have
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: in China it's already cashless, doesn't mean it's a fulfillment
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: of the Mark of the Beast.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: But it is. Again. Oh, I like to say this.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: We don't go from Mayberry one day before the signing
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of the Covenant to the next stay to lawless.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: This abounds and everything else there's there.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: We've seen this long progress of all of the conditions
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of the culture, the conditions of the Church, you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the the the apostasy, the departing of the faith, however
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you want to say. However, Scripture says it going all
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the way down. This has been a long time in
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the works, as you write so brilliantly about all the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: works of the enemy in building up all these societies
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and everything else. So there is a stage shetting, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean again it's fulfilled.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, just for some people
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: can understand.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: The the the gap is getting bigger for different reasons.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: But the rapture is not tied to the signing of
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the Covenant right at all.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Right, See, that's the key.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's like people would make this assumption, oh, the rapture,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, wait a minute, now, that could
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: be the case we were saying earlier. It could be
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: one second before whatever. But it's not absolutely tied there.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, the Church and Israel are distinct, and so
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: you see a lot of people today. I was talking
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: to Gary before we went on about how there just
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: seems to be an upsurge in everybody talking about the
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: soon coming of the Lord, and I don't know if
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: we're all just listening to our own echoes, or if
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: really there's so much going on in the world that
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: everybody starting to notice. Yeah, I think we're getting close.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: But because of that, you see a lot of people
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: talking about how the rapture is going to happen at
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: this certain time of year, and they try to connect
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: it to the Jewish feasts. Well, what they need to
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: recognize is that the Church is not in any way
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: connected to the Jewish system, and the feasts and festivals
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: that the Church started on Pentecost was coincidental in a
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: manner speaking. It didn't start on Pentecost because it was Pentecost.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: The Church and Israel are two completely separate programs, and
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the Bible is very clear that the Church was a mystery,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: is a mystery something previously undisclosed, And so you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you just see you see people trying to connect the
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Church and is and make the Church's calendar fit relating
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: to Israel. The same thing's true at the end of
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the Church age. It's not going to connect to Daniel's
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: you know, seventy weeks prophecy, because that was for my
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: people in my Holy City, not for the Church. I
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: think another question that's relevant here, if we really want
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to drill down is when is a prophecy fulfilled? Is
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: it fulfilled when it starts or is it fulfilled when
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: it's over? So take the seventy weeks of Daniel. Would
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: we say that's fulfilled today? No, we would say it's
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: partially fulfilled. The first sixty nine weeks have been fulfilled
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: in history, but the seventieth week has not been fulfilled yet.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: So you've got prophecies that can be one prophecy, one
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: fulfillment done, like the Virgin births Isaiah seven fourteen. You've
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: got par prophecies that can be fulfilled in stages, one
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: prophecy fulfilled over time.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: The beats of Daniel right, the revived, Yeah for sure.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole world history Daniel to Daniel seventh, still
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: going on until Jesus comes back. Yeah, yeah, the times
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: of the Gentiles and so forth. So uh So could
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: the Battle of Gog and Mega commence as a stage
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: setting event prior to the rapture and then not be
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: fulfilled until after the rapture.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible, you know, And I think no
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: matter what, it's hard not to see some of the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the state sitting when you look
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: up and you see you know, putin Ertawan and Abraham
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: from Iran there and going back to even Ahmadenijad. You're
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: seeing these three stand there and these are like the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: trifecta out of a sixt three year like. So what
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: we're seeing is these we're seeing them create these military agreements,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: these political agreements and other things. It's like, well, clearly
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that is that is so different than what you had
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: in the nineties when Turkey was extremely Western and it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a NATO country, it was looking to get into the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: European Union. You're like, wow, what a difference. So, uh,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I totally, I totally agree with that. It's a good good,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: uh good good to get.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: In on that.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: So the question then is, so, going back here, the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: rapture happens, what are the options between when the rapture
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: happens and the starting or the signing of the covenant
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: beginning the Sevdubek of Daniel one second to five years,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: ten years? Can it be one hundred years? And why
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: do people see Maybe that's a good one. Why do
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: people see a gap there at all between the rapture
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and the start of the tribulation.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question, and So as you and
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I have talked about in other contexts and talked about,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: you know, off air today, you know, we can't cite
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: chapter verse thus say it, the lower the gap shall be,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: you know, one year. You know, we just can't do that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: So it's a logical conclusion. You've got two separate events
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: clearly defined in scripture. One of them is the rapture,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: the other is Daniel nine twenty seven and the signing
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: of this covenant with Israel and the Antichrist. Because they're
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: two different events, they logically must have some length of
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: time between them, as you said, whether that's one second
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: or one year or seven years like doctor Fruchtenbaum things.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: So it's sort of a logical inference. And so then
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: because you've got a gap, you begin to piece together
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and think about all the other end times events, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you begin to wonder, well, maybe this happens within that gap.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But we often see gaps of time in God's prophetic
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: plan of the ages, even Daniel nine twenty four to
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, the famous seventy weeks prophecy, that text alone,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: just those four verses demands a gap of time. It's
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: clear because you end the sixty ninth Week with the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: coming of Christ at the First Advent, which according to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Harold Hohner, corresponds to the triumphal entry exact day of
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the trimfle entry of Christ in the first century. That's it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: That's the end of the sixty ninth week. And then
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Daniel says some other things are going to happen after that,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: but I would be cut off yep, and the temple
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: would be destroyed, to be destroyed.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: So you have thirty eight years their difference right there
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: in that in that gap.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So this is why we're not making this up. No,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: there's a gap there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Between between that ending of the sixty ninth and the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: start of the seventieth.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: At least thirty eight years.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so and then and not only that, if
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: we want to drill down even closer, there was a
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: gap of time between the end of the sixty ninth
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: week and the start of the church age of at
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: least fifty I think we figured out fifty four days.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: They say fifty days, because the church didn't begin until
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: ten days after the ascension on in Acts chapter two,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: on the day of Pentecost. So you've got this gap
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: of time. So it to me it seems logical, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clearly laid out in scripture that
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: you'll have the rapture, then you'll have some which ends
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the church age, and then you'll have some unspecified length
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: of time before the seventieth week of Daniel picks up
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: again and commences, just like you had that gap of
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: time after the sixty ninth week.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Before the church age started.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: So the church age is this mystery that God reveals
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: in the New Testament. It fits perfectly with Daniel's timeline.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Although Daniel doesn't mention the church, it certainly fits. You
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: can fit it there pretty easily. And I think once
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: the church is done, then it's like the church exits,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the spotlight shifts to Israel, and we see I believe
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: my best guest would be very quickly the signing of
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: this treaty that starts the clock ticking.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I want to tell people that you're hearing it here
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: first in that some of the things that we were
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: talking about prior, and just so I want to summarize
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: so that you understand where we're going. Because we deal
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: a lot with others pre wrath and other post trip,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: mid trip, and so they're often critical of the dispensational
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: pre trib view. And one of the things that I've
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: heard is that, oh, well, the you know, the if
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the seventieth week the sixty ninth week ends, and you
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: guys are so hard and fast on this distinction between
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it are on the church, then you have this limbo period.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And so what we what we realized as we were
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: looking at it this this morning is as JB just mentioned,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: from the time of the sixty ninth week ending, which
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: is the arrival of Jesus in the triumphal entry. You know,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: ad add seven days there until his resurrection. Okay, roughly
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that week his passion week, So you have seven days there,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and then we know that Pentecost is fifty days after that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: It also happens on a Sunday, so you have upwards
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of fifty seven days in this quote quote limbo period
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: before the church began. So we thought, well, that's interesting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that if the rapture ends the church age, that could
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: there then be fifty seven days on the back side
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of it before God then turns his attention specifically towards
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the start of the seventieh week. So if you have
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: it over here, this'd be a great chart. On the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: left side, you got the ending of the sixty ninth week,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you add fifty seven days church begins, the church ends
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: on the right side, and then you have fifty seven
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: days and then the beginning of the seventy Threek of Daniel.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: So to me, that's pretty fascinating, really, I would say
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: discovery or at least a recognition of what we see historically.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: So going back the idea of this gap, what else,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: what else could happen or what else would fit into
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: this gap period, maybe the start of these EQI I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, what else is supposed to be?
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: What else could be in this gap period of fifty
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: seven days.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Well, so what we do is we start with what
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: is life like during the tribulation? What world events are
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: going to take place during that seven year period that
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: haven't happened yet, And if the rapture were to happen today,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: well then all of those types of things to prepare
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: the way for that have to happen in the gap. So,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: for example, the building of the temple, right, there has
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: to be a temple in place by at least by.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: The mid at least by the midpoint. We don't know, Yeah,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: that's great. Yep.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: So conceivably, I suppose they could start and complete it
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: in the first half of the first half maybe ye,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: but if it hasn't already been and by the way,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: it could be built before the rapture.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: They already have the they have the bors stone, they
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: have everything else.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they actually said they could have it up
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: in a few months, but at first they could put
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the tabernacle up if.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: You had to start with to start up the place
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: for the head up in a day. Yeah. So this
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: is yeah, this is we're speaking your language, this is
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: your area of expertise. So but certainly, you know there's
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: got to be a temple, you've got to have a
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: one world system. You've got to have a global digital ID,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: some kind of a hacking and tracking ability globally. So
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: all of those things we know will be a reality
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: during the tribulation. Many of them could be a reality
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: before the rapture. Nothing says it, well, I want to
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: talk about that too. But certainly, if the rapture were
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: to happen today, that gap of time, whether it's fifty
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: days or or you know, five years. Uh, And I again,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: my gut tells me it's going to be rapid ie
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: shorter on the shorter end.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: My, here's my speculation, and I explained this in my books.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I think after the rapture, in the chaos that ensues,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: this Northern alliance that Ezekiel talks about is going to
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: take advantage of the situation to try to attack is
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Real and take over that land for various reasons, religious
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: and economic and otherwise. I think a Western alliance that
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Daniel talks about forms that is going to come in
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: and supersede and come against that Northern Alliance. It's my
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: speculation that the future Antichrist is the leader of that
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Western alliance. We know from Ezekiel that God is the
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: one who actually defends Israel from the Northern Alliance. But
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I speculate that the Western Alliance is going to take
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: credit for it, and this future Antichrist is going to say, look,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I just solved this conflict, and.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe even supernaturally claims supernatural abilities because I know that
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Relations thirteen.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is going to be a supernatural defense. Maybe
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: he actually takes credit for doing that, which is right
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: out of the Antichrist's playbook. So but for whatever reason,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I believe those series of geopolitical war, wars catapult this
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: man to world fame coming out of that, he signs
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: this treaty, so all of that could easily happen in
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: a matter of weeks after the rapture, sixty days and
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: then that's yeah, yeah, so that's what happens. I guess
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: my calculations would be fifty four. But you know, I'm
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: not going to dial Hill under six. But once he
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: signs that treaty, then that marks him as the We
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: now know he's the Antichrist. Now the world won't know it,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: or Israel especially won't know it until he breaks the Covenant.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: They're going to be deceived, but certainly from a Bible
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: prophecy perspective, we now know that's the Antichrist, and we've
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: got seven years until the triumph, a return of Christ.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think there are a lot of things
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that are signed signs or stage setting events that like
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: obviously Israel right nineteen forty eight. I mean, there's got
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: to be an Israel on the map for all of
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: these end times prophecies to come to pass. There wasn't
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: for a eighteen hundred years, all of a sudden nineteen
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: forty eight, there is Now, some Bible scholars who I
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: love and respect and we are good friends, and I've
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: had on my program, they would say, well, you know,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: May fourteenth, ninety forty eight was the fulfillment of the
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: dry bones prophecy in Ezeko thirty seven, or it was
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: the fulfillment of a first return in Isaiah eleven. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: don't interpret those passages that way, but it's almost inconsequential
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: in a way in the grand scheme of things, because
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: they're here exactly.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know that's so, I guess to summarize
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: this particular question is there are many people that debate
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: this idea of a gap again one second to five
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: years or ten years.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Who knows.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows it's these are Everyone's going to approach it
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: differently with where their strengths are and how they see
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: things needing to be fulfilled in that particular gap period. Again,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: my view too is that it's shorter shorter than a
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: long longer. So at the end of the day, we
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: stay humble about it. Well, you brought up a couple
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: of things, and so I want to really finish on
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: our final question today is thinking about all these stage
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: setting events, you know, the We know you've written so
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: much about it as it relates to the spirit of
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the false prophet, the spirit of the of the anti Christ,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the entire beast system that has again has its roots
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: going a long way back into a lot of the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: globalism and the elites and everything else. And again this
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: didn't didn't start last week. So we see all these events.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: We see it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I mean it is like a steamroller coming and we're
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: watching it. We saw the kind of a precursor of
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the practice, at least as it relates to the World
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Economic Forum and World Health Organization during COVID, how they
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: sought to maintain or at least come bring tyranny in
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: and mandates using that. Now we also see you know,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the fed now system, the payment systems. We see the
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: digital public infrastructure beginning going full steam ahead. We see
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Australia coming up with their ID you can go online.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: We have it on our Facebook. I put the video up.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: They're trying to tell you how wonderful it is sign
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: up voluntarily to have all your IDs in one spot.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: They said they're going to be in by the end
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: of the year. So here's the question for.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Us, is.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: It's twofold one is how much could we see prior
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to the rapture? And secondly, when in all of this
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: tyranny digital IDs and other systems cashless, when does it
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: come to the point of being a sin in participating
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: by force? I mean right now, Look, I don't carry cash.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I don't I haven't carried cash forever. I just just
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: not convenient for me. Everything is credit card based, I
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: get miles, blah blah blah. So in one sense, I'm
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: already part of that direct deposit everything else for years.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: So am I sinning by being cashless?
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely not. I think so many of these issues
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: are with the issues and not necessarily moral issues. Like you,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: we are using technology, uh to our advantage and for
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: convenience as long as we can. But we're doing it
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: eyes wide open, knowing that at some point this could
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: be used against us, and we've made preparations when that
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: time comes to be able to make the hard sacrifices
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: and live apart from the system. But it's certainly not
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: a sin today to take advantage of the technological systems
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: for convenience and to be more efficient. You know, the
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Bible says redeem the time, So we're reaching more people
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: with the gospel. Through you know, through technology, we're able
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: to be more efficient and as you said, earn miles
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: and then you know, use those points for for you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: ministry purchases and tasks and trips and so forth. So
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that that it's a moral issue
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: in that regard. I think from a wisdom standpoint, what
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: we've what we've suggested. And again I'm not a financial advisor,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: so I'm just giving you based on my studied opinion
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: of this for many many years. I really want people
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: to understand, if you can't touch it, you don't own it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: That's the principal, underlying principle. So therefore you need to
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: be prepared for that day to come prior to the
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: rapture in which it may when they flip a switch
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: and whatever your portfolio was in terms of ones and
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: zeros on a server somewhere is gone. You can't access it,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: you can't log in, whether that's bank accounts, retirement accounts,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: investment accounts, you name it. So you know, only keep
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: in the intangible realm that which you would be comfortable
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: losing if it came to that. So you know, like contrast,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: if you can walk into the next room in your house,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: open the safe and put your hands on it. You
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: own it. So that doesn't just mean cash and doesn't
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: just mean gold and silver. It's any kind of commodity
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: that could be helpful in an end of the world
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: as we know its scenario. And so we go into
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: this in great detail in chapter nine of Spirit of
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: the False profit which is all about preparedness, and I
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: think it's it raises a lot of issues for people
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: to think through. We give you some lists. Folks can
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: check it out, by the way, it's Spirit of the
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: False Prophet dot org. But we give you lists of supplies, food,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: even scenarios to consider that you may not have thought
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: about what if this happens? So yeah, I mean people,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: I get questions all the time. I know you do too,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Mondo about the Mark of the Beast. And you know
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: if I take if I sign up for the cd BC,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: am I taking the Mark of the Beast? That kind
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: of thing. No, the Mark of the Beast is not
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: going to be implemented until three and a half years
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: into the tribulation, well after the rapture. But are the
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: mechanisms and systems in place to roll that out? Sure?
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: That could happen today, There is happening. They're trying.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there was a phrase that I
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: forgot the name I haven't written down, but oh, I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: know exactly it was. It was it was the CEO
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: of black Rock. He came out and he used at
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Davos and he said, there's coming a time very soon
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: where where we are going to hear this word we
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: are going to tokenize all of our assets. Well, I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: mean they manage ten trillion, twenty trillion of assets, so
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: this idea of tokenization is going to become Well, it's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: going to be everybody's going to hear it. And what
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: that means is that what you just referenced all of
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: our finances out in the in the digital world right now.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I mean again, you go, let's say I had five
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand or a million dollars in assets, which I
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: do not, but let's say I did, and I went
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: to the bank and I said, you know, I want
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to withdraw all that. I'm going to get it on
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a truck I want to deliver to my house. Well,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: they don't have the money in there, absolutely, I mean,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: they don't have the cash, they don't have the hard
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: so everything is digital already to some degree, and so
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: by tokenizing everything, everything included. I mean he was talking
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: about land, he was talking about houses, anything, anything that
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: you can imagine that you could touch is going to
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: be tokenized to such a degree to exist in this
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: new digital world. So that could be we know that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: it's heading that direction, and so when it comes to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: that point, could there be certain like, for example, could
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: they outlock cash. They started talking about it during COVID
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: because of sanitary reasons. Some places said we don't take cashier,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: we don't want any germs. It's all credit card only.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I was in the Seattle not too long ago, same thing.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: We walked in, They're like, no, we don't take cash here.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, really, I don't even care cash. My
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: wife did, but I was like, well, I got a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: covered swipe, you know. And then the Amazon store, I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: walked inut I didn't even need anything. I just had
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: my phone and I walked in and I walked out
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: it in no register. So when we think about this,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: as we get into this and we get closer and closer,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: my question as well is again pastorally speaking, is the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: church prepared for this and how much? Again coming back.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: We want to say to them, hey, look, if you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: are in this, it might not be you know, as
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: wise or maybe as good steward as you can. But
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: if you're forced in this. The seventy five year old
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: widow that she's alone in this world. She's not going
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: to go out, and she doesn't have gold, she doesn't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: have anything, she doesn't have three months to apply food,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: she's living from her social security.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: She loves the Lord, and she has no one.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Is she's sinning by all of a sudden, they've tokenized everything,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and now she's like, Okay, well I'm going to get
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: my food every week and I'm just surviving. Now, Is
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: she's sinning it all?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: The short answer is no. I mean the clear answer
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: is no. I think everyone's situation is different. I think
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: you know, when possible, you want to avoid signing up
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: for the Digital Global ID, I mean I would that's possible, right, Yeah,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: that's a hill we won't die on personally. I mean,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: just like there are other lines on the sand for us.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Once we've done that, then it's you have zero chance
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: of surviving. I mean, they own you, they control you,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: They can do everything to track everything you're doing. So
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: that that's the point in which we implement our buy
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: out plans and our you know, secret place to live
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: off the land, and we tap into our supplies and
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: stockpiling and we just try to live off the grid.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: We go off the grid at that point, I won't
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: do it, But if someone else does, is I mean
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: they're sending of course not. I mean it's a personal decision.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: You talked about tokenizing, that's the whole point of the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: digital monetary and global ID system. They want to tokenize
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: your carbon footprint, they want to tokenize your social credit score,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: they want to tokenize your health report. So you might
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: show up at the grocery store and you know, like
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: we've all experienced this at one time or another, where
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: you show up, you put out your credit card and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: they could cashier system. Sorry sir, it's declined. Well maybe
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: it was a fraud attempt or for whatever reason, but
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: in that moment, you're like, oh bummer, and so you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: just pull out another credit card. Right then you call
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: your credit card and figure out what happened. Well, when
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: this CBDC is fully rolled out and implemented, there is
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: not going to be another alternative. You're going to go up,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: and they're going to say, I'm sorry, sir, you're declined.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: You had too much sugar yesterday, or you took too
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: many trips last week, you exceeded your carbon footprint, or
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: you know, you've traveled too far. That's that's what's behind
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: these smart cities and keeping you restrained. So everything's going
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: to come down to that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: That digital they've telegraphed this, This is a conspiracy. They've
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: telegraphed this many trips, this much here, this many miles.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they absolutely and even now as even
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: people like again we've talked about the pre programmable chips
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and stuff and cards, Well it's already in place. If
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: you look at people on food stems, they can't go
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: buy alcohol or cigarettes on.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: To make up.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry sir, well you can't buy that, you know. And
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: so it's this isn't unprecedented. But to come to the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: point of what you just said is, hey, based on
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: what we've been watching you, and all we got to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: do is look at Canada and these other places where
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: they are already talking and implementing these things.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a matter of adding more to the list. Yes,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: now you can't buy alcohol, you can't buy this. Well,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: now you can't buy anything. We just turn it off.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: So it really is that the technologies there, it's already
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: been implemented. It's just a matter of, you know, how
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: far do they how far do they take it. Several
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: people have bragged about it. You know Tom Mutton from
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: the Bank of England, he's the CBDC directory. He said
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: there's some socially beneficial outcomes from CBDCs in preventing activity
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: which we see as socially harmful. Augustin Carson's we've all
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: seen him a thousand times. He's a bank for international settlements.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: He says the key with the CBDC is that the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: central Bank would have absolute control. That's what they want,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: So I mean, it really is a key, So you know,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: to me, it's kind of that eyes wide open concept.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: Now for what it's worth, and I've talked about this
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: a lot personally, I don't see them rolling out the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: national CBDC in America the way they're doing in Australia
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: and many other countries.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Australia no means the first I don't.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: See them rolling that out in America until after the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: collapse of America. In other words, it's they're just too
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: many people hip to it that that are not going
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: to go for it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean they're going to stop implementing the infrastructure.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Oh No, their infrastructure story they're fed now is really
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: the backbone, the back end to a cbd system. A
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: lot of people were confused about what FED now as
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I go into this in my book, it's just the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: sort of the backbone that's infrastructure.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, it really is.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I mean with the crypto and the blockchain that they're
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: they're loving that because they are able to document everything
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: along the blockchain. So I think that's one of the
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: reasons why they've supported crypto for so long until they
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: hijack it, you know, and.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: So they'll they'll and they'll roll it out kind of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: like they did with uh with the vaccines, you know,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: franchised tyranny. They're not going to send out the army
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: into the streets drag you from your homes, but they
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: don't have to. But yeah, so I think I'm not
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to say that CBDC is not going
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: to be an issue in America prior to the collapse
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: of America. I think it will be. But it'll be
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: in different ways. It's going to be you know, franchise tyranny,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: not non you know, nationally mandated the way they're easily
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: able to do in other countries. But I do think
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: that after whatever unfreezing event is coming that you know,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: brings about the end of America, which you know, I've
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: talked a lot about the America problem. From the Luciferian perspective.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: We're the one nation still on the way, so they
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: got to do something to crumble it, and they got
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: multiple weapons in their arsenal. I think after that, as
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: we rise from the ashes, and again all of this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: could be before the rapture, as we rise from the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: ashes and join on with the One world New World Order,
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  Speaker 3: at that point they're going to say, hey, you want
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  Speaker 3: to be part of the one world system, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to have to have the one world ID.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, as we summarize here that is this
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  Speaker 1: that how much could we see before the rapture?
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  Speaker 2: Quite a bit. I think the church, if anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Has the mentality that we're out of here and the
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  Speaker 1: rapture's coming, we're not going to see any of this.
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  Speaker 1: God is not going to allow any difficulty for the church.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to allow us to have to make
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  Speaker 1: any hard decises. I don't think that's that's very not
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  Speaker 1: even foolish because and so this is why we pray
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  Speaker 1: up now we seek wisdom. Now again we have these conversations.
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  Speaker 1: And ultimately that's why I asked it the way I
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  Speaker 1: did is when does it become a sin? And I've
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  Speaker 1: heard people out there already that say very clearly that
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  Speaker 1: if you get a digital ID or you do this,
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  Speaker 1: you're practice.
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  Speaker 2: You might as well just take the mark of the beast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's that's a little bit of an overstatement.
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  Speaker 1: And so and because of that, again, we have people
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  Speaker 1: that are older. They're like, hey, you know, I'm alone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a widow. What am I supposed to do? This
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  Speaker 1: guy says this, am I sitting? I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: sit against my lord. I don't want to be left
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  Speaker 1: in the rapture. And so you have people manipulating the situation,
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  Speaker 1: coming off as authorities, and then they present a very
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  Speaker 1: good case of bringing guilt and condemnation. But at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, what verse do you have for that?
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  Speaker 3: And it's tragic because they're scaring people in fomenting fear.
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  Speaker 3: A better approach would be to come alongside some of
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  Speaker 3: these elderly people and be there for them. You know, hey,
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  Speaker 3: if things fall apart, provide food for them, let them
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  Speaker 3: move in with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly, just.
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  Speaker 3: You know, don't don't be scared. But absolutely you know,
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  Speaker 3: those that may be listening to this because I know
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  Speaker 3: people watch propasy watchers all the time. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: don't fall prey to that fear. God's not given us
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  Speaker 3: a spirit of fear. And you know, if the time comes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know your heart. God God looks at
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  Speaker 3: the heart, right, and so if you're just trying to
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  Speaker 3: get by it, you know, it's it's not The mark
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  Speaker 3: of the beast will not happen until after the rapp
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  Speaker 3: not even closes, not even whether it's an injection or
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  Speaker 3: you know, we have same thing with vaccine remorse. You know,
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  Speaker 3: people have been so anti vacs, which I'm anti vacs,
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  Speaker 3: that they've convinced people if you took it, somehow, you
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  Speaker 3: took the mark of the beast, which is absurd. Uh
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  Speaker 3: and uh, and I think that's those people are gonna
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  Speaker 3: be held accountable for those words that they've said.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Matthew twelve thirty six, be careful every idol word. Well, JB,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for hanging out today and we've got some
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  Speaker 1: good stuff, good times and uh drives and everybody else watching.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And we realize that people have been asking us JB
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  Speaker 1: just well, you know, why are you doing all these
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  Speaker 1: conferences because we've kind of stepped up our conferences. But
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  Speaker 1: I just say, do you remember twenty twenty one there
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  Speaker 1: were no conferences. Things were shut down, and we know,
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  Speaker 1: we believe strongly that that's coming again, and so we
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: want to, as you mentioned Ifhesians five sixteen, redeem the
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  Speaker 1: time because we know that next year there could be
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  Speaker 1: no conferences, and so why we want to continue to
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  Speaker 1: meet people and encourage people all we can and tell
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: that the tel things change.
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  Speaker 3: And they're packed. I mean, there's a need for this.
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  Speaker 3: People want to hear more. Like you said, I think
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  Speaker 3: there were eighteen speakers in Orlando I think you got
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  Speaker 3: twenty two and forty four messages in the springs and
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  Speaker 3: people need to get their tickets early because those conferences
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  Speaker 3: go like that.
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  Speaker 2: It really is true.
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  Speaker 1: And what I'm seeing, I am seeing two good things.
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  Speaker 1: One is that the people are out in the world
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  Speaker 1: world are waking up, which is creating an interest in
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Bible prophecy. God wants to save people, right, that's his heart.
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  Speaker 1: Second thing I see in the church, I do see
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  Speaker 1: maybe not in a denominational sense, but I do see
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  Speaker 1: that even people in the church are waking up because
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: why because people who are prophecy watchers in general, they're
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: in the church and they're staying in the churches and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: they're talking and these things are coming to be. And
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: so those efforts are being honored by the Lord by
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: not just bailing on the church. Stay in the church
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: and be a light. Don't leave the people, your brothers
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and sisters in darkness. And I see them now going.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've been talking to my friend for months
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: and now they want to come to a conference.
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  Speaker 2: So praise the Lord for that. We're seeing it.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, everybody, thanks for listening, and we will see
• 1:10:41
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