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The Kenny Report | 21 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: They were just born in the last four months and
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  Speaker 1: in the last four weeks. So they give us all
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  Speaker 1: great joy and happiness to have them here with us.
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  Speaker 1: They are here at the moment next door. I also,
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  Speaker 1: I here to represent and speak on behalf of Helen's
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  Speaker 1: four brothers and their families and my three brothers and
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  Speaker 1: their families. So what took place on Monday was an
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  Speaker 1: horrendous incident and it's as you know caused Helen significant
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  Speaker 1: injuries as a result of that Helen's left leg was
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  Speaker 1: amputated on Monday we had been hoping that her right
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  Speaker 1: leg would be saved but as of this afternoon this
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  Speaker 1: morning the surgeons had to also remove her right leg
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  Speaker 1: but the good news in all this is Helen is
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  Speaker 1: alive and she's stable that is the most important thing
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  Speaker 1: for our family And I think when we reflect and
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  Speaker 1: talk about and think about Helen, the two most important
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  Speaker 1: parts of Helen.
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  Speaker 2: For us as a family.
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  Speaker 1: Are her heart and her mind.
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  Speaker 2: Her heart is huge.
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  Speaker 1: She is a very compassionate, caring, loving person, incredibly supportive
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  Speaker 1: of all around her, her family, her community, anybody she
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  Speaker 1: comes across.
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  Speaker 2: And her mind, she has the sharpest intellect.
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  Speaker 1: She has always had the most intense desire to learn,
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  Speaker 1: to read, to synthesise and to understand what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: We are grateful and thankful that at this stage, both
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  Speaker 1: her heart and her mind are in good shape. I
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  Speaker 1: want to say a few thanks to many people who
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  Speaker 1: have been incredibly supportive of our family.
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  Speaker 2: In the last two days.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing to think it's only been two days since
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  Speaker 1: this horrendous incident took place. If I can start with
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  Speaker 1: Helen's office staff in Canberra, Wodonga, Wangaratta, who were first
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  Speaker 1: on the scene of course, to some people next door,
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  Speaker 1: to the first responders, Vic Police, Vicpol, paramedics, fire brigade,
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  Speaker 1: were all there within minutes to support Helen. She then
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  Speaker 1: went to North East Health, to the hospital, where they
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  Speaker 1: did incredible work to try and stabilise her before she
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  Speaker 1: was flown to Melbourne in the good hands of our
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  Speaker 1: fantastic paramedics. Here in the Alfred Hospital, she has received
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  Speaker 1: the most incredible treatment and care from her medical and
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  Speaker 1: surgical staff, from the nursing staff across ICU, and from
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  Speaker 1: everybody she's come across in the last two days. I
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  Speaker 1: cannot speak highly enough of what has been contributed by
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  Speaker 1: this hospital, so we thank them all. I also want
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  Speaker 1: to thank the community, my community of Wangaratta in North
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  Speaker 1: East Victoria, the community of Indi, the electorate which Helen
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  Speaker 1: has represented now for seven and a half years, and
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  Speaker 1: across the nation and internationally. We have had thousands upon
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  Speaker 1: thousands of messages of love and support and I can
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  Speaker 1: only say how much a difference that makes to all
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  Speaker 1: of us. So I thank all those people for what
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  Speaker 1: they are doing and I ask them to keep doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Helen's road to recovery will be long and difficult. But
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  Speaker 1: we know she is a fighter. She is a determined
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  Speaker 1: person who will do her best with.
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  Speaker 2: Our support and love to recover. And that is what
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  Speaker 2: we hope for.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to say, in terms of what can
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  Speaker 1: come next and how people can help, rather than flowers,
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  Speaker 1: flowers are a beautiful thing in Howland.
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  Speaker 2: Loves flowers. She had just sown last week in our.
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  Speaker 1: Garden at home hundreds of dahlia bulbs and she takes
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  Speaker 1: great joy and pleasure in growing flowers and she's given
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  Speaker 1: many bulbs to our neighbours and our family to plant
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a great joy of hers.
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  Speaker 1: We love flowers, she loves flowers, but it's a bit
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  Speaker 1: difficult to look after many bunches of flowers. So we
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  Speaker 1: will ask people if they would like to support Helen
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  Speaker 1: financially to make a donation to Save the Children Fund.
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  Speaker 1: Only just last week in Canberra, her last official appointment
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  Speaker 1: was to speak at a legacy lecture in the evening
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  Speaker 1: for Save the Children. She is a passionate supporter of them.
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  Speaker 1: So we asked people if they would like to support
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  Speaker 1: Helen to perhaps think about making a donation through that organisation.
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  Speaker 1: And you can find the link to that on Helen's website.
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  Speaker 1: If I can just finish by saying, again, This is
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  Speaker 1: an horrendous thing for our family, but we are very loving,
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  Speaker 1: very supportive. And again, I thank all those from across
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  Speaker 1: the country and internationally. We have been actually overwhelmed by
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  Speaker 1: some of the support we've received from many countries. And
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  Speaker 1: we thank that feedback and those comments and that support.
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  Speaker 1: And I ask on behalf of our broader family to
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  Speaker 1: continue that support.
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  Speaker 2: We will need that over the next few days and beyond.
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  Speaker 2: But we're going to focus.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I've learned in the last two days, reinforced
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  Speaker 1: by many people, is to take things day by day.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a cliche, but it's a cliche for
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  Speaker 1: a very good reason. So I thank you all for
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  Speaker 1: being here. I thank you for listening. And please keep
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  Speaker 1: sending Helen your love and our family as well.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't, sorry, I should have.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to introduce and thank Sam Mostyn, the Governor-General, who...
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  Speaker 1: I invited her to come today at very short notice
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  Speaker 1: and she warmly and gladly straight away said yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful to have you here.
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  Speaker 1: Helen has the most incredible affection and respect for our Governor-General,
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  Speaker 1: so thank you for being here today. And to my
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  Speaker 1: cousin Julie, he's here as my support person, has lived
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  Speaker 1: in Wangaratta for 30 years, a great friend of our family.
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  Speaker 4: Her three kids grew up with our.
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  Speaker 2: Three kids, and she's a nurse of 35 years' experience.
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  Speaker 1: Her compassion, her sage and composed advice has been great
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  Speaker 1: for our.
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  Speaker 2: Family, so I thank Jules for being.
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  Speaker 5: Here as well.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: It's very hard to follow Phil, but I will do
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  Speaker 6: so because he has invited me to say a few words.
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  Speaker 6: You've heard why, and I am so touched that you
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  Speaker 6: would ask me to join you here this evening. Australia
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  Speaker 6: is still reeling with the shock and distress of this terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Tragedy.
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  Speaker 6: I know that in Wangaratta there have been vigils, I know.
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  Speaker 2: That those vigils have continued.
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  Speaker 6: Across the country, and that tonight I know Kathleen McGowan
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  Speaker 6: is at a vigil in Wodonga. It was so telling
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  Speaker 6: that when I spoke to Helen's office that the Chief
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  Speaker 6: of Staff has, and this was first breaking, the first
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  Speaker 6: instinct of that office which says so much about Helen
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  Speaker 6: was to say that we must We must remember when
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  Speaker 6: we speak of the terrible behaviour of one person with
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  Speaker 6: such catastrophic consequences, we must weigh that against the many
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  Speaker 6: thousands of Australians who have shown such care and love
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  Speaker 6: for Helen and her family in the last two days.
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  Speaker 6: That balance from the office and from Helen tells you
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  Speaker 6: so much about her humanity and her family's humanity. Would
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  Speaker 6: that His Majesty the King is regularly updated on this
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  Speaker 6: shocking moment. At the invitation of Phil and his family,
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  Speaker 6: I'm speaking to you tonight both as a friend of
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  Speaker 6: Helen's but also as your Governor-General, as so many of
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  Speaker 6: my predecessors have done in very difficult times in Australia's history.
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  Speaker 6: At a different time when the country was facing different challenges,
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  Speaker 6: Sir Zelman Cowan said that the role of the Governor-General
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  Speaker 6: is to help the nation interpret itself, particularly in very
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  Speaker 6: challenging circumstances. And during his term, Sir William Dean said
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  Speaker 6: that in times of national tragedy, we see the willingness
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  Speaker 6: of ordinary Australians to stretch out the hand of assistance
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  Speaker 6: and comfort. He described that spirit of generosity as the
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  Speaker 6: great healing force of the nation. And, of course, that
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  Speaker 6: is what we have seen already, and you've heard from Phil.
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  Speaker 4: We have seen.
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  Speaker 6: Extraordinary efforts occurring at times of extraordinary moment. It started
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  Speaker 6: with Ricky Jeffries and the other extraordinary bystanders who immediately
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  Speaker 6: rushed selflessly to Helen's side in the critical moments of
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  Speaker 6: the attack, joined by the office and those that followed.
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  Speaker 6: I've been lucky enough to speak to Ricky, and his
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  Speaker 6: humility and his absolute rejection of the title hero reflects
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  Speaker 6: the Australian character we so often talk about and see everywhere. Decency,
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  Speaker 6: care and a simple concern for others. I joined Phil
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  Speaker 6: in acknowledging that many people were there in those open moments.
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  Speaker 6: The paramedics, the Victorian police, the people at the North
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  Speaker 6: East Health in Wangaratta, the transport to get Helen safely
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  Speaker 6: here and stabilised, all of the medical, surgical, nursing, administrative
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  Speaker 6: team that have taken such beautiful care of Helen. in
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  Speaker 6: these last two days. We know that that has meant
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  Speaker 6: a great deal to the family and it means that
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  Speaker 6: she's in a stable condition and we have great hope
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  Speaker 6: for the days ahead. Now, this violent attack on a
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  Speaker 6: much loved and respected sitting member of our federal parliament
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  Speaker 6: must be a moment for us to pause and to
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  Speaker 6: choose to be better.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it is.
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  Speaker 6: Bittersweet and quite difficult to talk about that I was
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  Speaker 6: discussing this very topic with Helen just two weeks ago
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  Speaker 6: in Euroa, when we were both visiting a recovery hub,
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  Speaker 6: dealing with the bushfire recovery, and we talked about the
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  Speaker 6: need for greater civility and engagement across our civic and
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  Speaker 6: public life. As ever, Helen was actively thinking of ways
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  Speaker 6: in which the Australian community could come together and be
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  Speaker 6: encouraged to be both more engaged in our democracy, our
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  Speaker 6: great democracy, and participate with the kind of engagement she
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  Speaker 6: has always done. kindness and care and respect. Now, just
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  Speaker 6: as my predecessors have all experienced, the Office of the
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  Speaker 6: Governor-General has this extraordinary privilege of experiencing Australia from a
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  Speaker 6: panoramic view and then in the fine and deep grain
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  Speaker 6: of our communities. That's where I was with Helen in Winyaroa.
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  Speaker 6: And that's where we see the project of coming together
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  Speaker 6: and building connection and purpose and belonging in our country.
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  Speaker 6: It happens every day. It's what I saw in Strathbogie,
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  Speaker 6: Shepparton and Winyaroa in the Victorian visit that I was
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  Speaker 6: so lucky enough to catch up with Helen and to
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  Speaker 6: talk to local MPs alongside her, talk to the mayors,
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  Speaker 6: talk about this national project that we could actually encourage
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  Speaker 6: care and kindness once again. So in light of what
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  Speaker 6: you've heard from Phil and what we know of Helen's
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  Speaker 6: situation at the moment, what do we all do? What
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  Speaker 6: does a nation do now? Well, first, and with the
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  Speaker 6: permission of the family, I think we should do what
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  Speaker 6: I imagine Helen would be doing if she was not
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  Speaker 6: the victim of this terrible attack. Reaching out to those
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  Speaker 6: who are terribly distressed by what has happened, who are
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  Speaker 6: still trying to cope with this, we need to offer
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  Speaker 6: everyone comfort to get through this, to celebrate our strong
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  Speaker 6: and stable system of government and parliaments and democracy, and
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  Speaker 6: be proud of that. Remind ourselves, as Helen says all
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  Speaker 6: the time, that Australians have good hearts, great hearts, and
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  Speaker 6: checking each of ourselves to ensure that we are in
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  Speaker 6: fact disagreeing well, not fighting with one another, not descending
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  Speaker 6: into violence and chaos and division. Most importantly, that we
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  Speaker 6: learn or relearn to exercise our muscle of decency. Now,
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  Speaker 6: what I see and I saw with everything that Helen
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  Speaker 6: has done across Indi and well beyond is communities around
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  Speaker 6: Australia where Australians are yearning for kindness and care. And
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  Speaker 6: they're asking us why we've lost the great skill of
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  Speaker 6: disagreeing well and with decency to each other. Our democracy,
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  Speaker 6: the great Australian democracy, has always relied on passionate and
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  Speaker 6: robust debate. It's a healthy and vital part of a
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  Speaker 6: modern and successful nation. And Helen plays a huge role
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  Speaker 6: in that, in representing her community. We don't have to
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  Speaker 6: all agree, but we can wrestle the issue, not the person,
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  Speaker 6: just as Helen has done throughout her time in Parliament,
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  Speaker 6: representing the issues of her community, and fighting for the
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  Speaker 6: very best. And it's important to remember, words matter, whether
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  Speaker 6: spoken or in written form or increasingly in the virtual world.
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  Speaker 6: So in the midst of what is a disturbing and
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  Speaker 6: distressing moment, particularly for Helen's family and her friends and
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  Speaker 6: her team, everyone who loves her, let's work together as
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  Speaker 6: a healing force, as Sir William Dean first put it,
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  Speaker 6: More recently, one of my predecessors, Sir Peter Cosgrove, has
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  Speaker 6: talked about what's happening with civility in this country. He
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  Speaker 6: describes civility as having the decency to understand and respect
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  Speaker 6: different points of view while allowing individuals the space to
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  Speaker 6: hold and debate them constructively. Now, I'm the daughter of
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  Speaker 6: a soldier, so I understand this impulse for us to
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  Speaker 6: treat everyone with decency and respect to find each other
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  Speaker 6: where we are at. So I agree with Sir Peter's comments.
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  Speaker 6: But right now, like everyone in Australia and here at
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  Speaker 6: the Alfred, with everyone who has shown so much care
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  Speaker 6: to Helen and her family, my thoughts on behalf of
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  Speaker 6: all Australians are with Helen, with Phil, her entire family,
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  Speaker 6: everyone that loves her, everyone that has been part of
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  Speaker 6: Helen's great story of the representation of Indi and everything
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  Speaker 6: that she has always done in her life. particularly in
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  Speaker 6: the 40 years of her beautiful relationship with you and
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  Speaker 6: the children and grandchildren that say so much about that
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  Speaker 6: great love. I know you've heard from Phil that the
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  Speaker 6: family are drawing great comfort from the extraordinary affection being expressed,
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  Speaker 6: not just around the country, but across the world. And
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  Speaker 6: I hope that as Australians, we can now reflect thoughtfully
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  Speaker 6: on what has happened and can recommit all ourselves to
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  Speaker 6: the care, kindness and respect that I know are so
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  Speaker 6: deeply embedded in the Australian character. We have to stand
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  Speaker 6: by Helen in the next few days. It's day by day,
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  Speaker 6: as you've heard.
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  Speaker 4: We've got to hope.
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  Speaker 6: That that beautiful heart, that beautiful mind will be strengthened
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  Speaker 6: every day by our support and our commitment to be
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  Speaker 6: more like Helen as part of this great democracy. It's
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  Speaker 6: the very least we can do for someone who gave
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  Speaker 6: her life to others, represented her community, and will go
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  Speaker 6: on and do so again with the kind of passion
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  Speaker 6: and care that we can all learn from, and that
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  Speaker 6: makes sure that we are a united country that can
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  Speaker 6: be so proud of everything that we stand for. Do
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  Speaker 6: follow Phil's advocacy for the Save the Children Fund. I
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  Speaker 6: know that means so much to Helen. It doesn't surprise
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  Speaker 6: me that that's where she would want the money to go.
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  Speaker 6: It shows that great character, once again, about caring for
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  Speaker 6: so many others. So Save the Children is the fund
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  Speaker 6: that she would like you to give to generously. But please,
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  Speaker 6: everyone's thoughts and love for Helen. every hour of the
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  Speaker 6: next few days and weeks and months ahead. And for
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  Speaker 6: the family, for Phil and everyone who loves this great Australian,
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  Speaker 6: this great woman, I can't wait to see her great
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  Speaker 6: heart and her great mind back in action, exercising that
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  Speaker 6: great muscle of decency and teaching us how we can
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  Speaker 6: be better. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Governor-General. Thank you, Mr Haynes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your attendance today.
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  Speaker 7: That was the Governor-General, Sam Mostyn, speaking live from the
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  Speaker 7: Alfred Hospital in Melbourne. Following on from Helen Haynes' husband, Phil,
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  Speaker 7: who gave an address to the nation, an update to
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  Speaker 7: the nation about the condition of his wife of almost
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  Speaker 7: 40 years.
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  Speaker 4: In the Alfred Hospital.
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  Speaker 7: Helen Haynes, he revealed, would have been celebrating, will be
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  Speaker 7: celebrating her 40th wedding anniversary with Phil next month. Phil
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  Speaker 7: Haynes spoke about the horrendous nature of this attack and
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  Speaker 7: the stress on the family.
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  Speaker 4: He mentioned children, grandchildren, siblings. Crucially, he said that.
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  Speaker 7: After Helen Haynes' left leg was amputated by doctors on Monday,
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  Speaker 7: today they had to amputate her other leg.
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  Speaker 4: So Helen Haynes has now had both legs amputated.
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  Speaker 7: Phil Haynes, though, says the two most important parts of
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  Speaker 7: Helen are her heart and her mind, and he drew
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  Speaker 7: great strength and comfort and optimism from the fact that
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  Speaker 7: they are both going strongly home. At the moment, she's
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  Speaker 7: not out of the woods, of course, but her heart
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  Speaker 7: and her mind are still going strongly and obviously the
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  Speaker 7: whole nation hopes and prays for her recovery. Phil Haynes
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  Speaker 7: asked the Governor-General to stand by his side at that
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  Speaker 7: event this morning. I interviewed the Governor-General at Admiralty House
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  Speaker 7: in Sydney this morning. She told me she hadn't met
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  Speaker 7: Phil before. She knows Helen very well, but hadn't met
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  Speaker 7: Phil before. And he rang her and asked her to
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  Speaker 7: come down and be beside him while he gave that
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  Speaker 7: update to the nation, which is why the Governor-General flew.
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  Speaker 4: Down there at late notice yesterday. and joined that event.
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  Speaker 7: But the news there is that Helen Haynes' heart and
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  Speaker 7: mind are going strong.
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  Speaker 4: She's in the best of care and we hope for
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  Speaker 4: the best there.
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  Speaker 7: We will get into some of the ramifications of this
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  Speaker 7: during the program.
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  Speaker 4: We've got the full program to come.
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  Speaker 7: I mentioned that sit-down interview with the Governor-General at Admiralty
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  Speaker 7: House earlier, with the main focus of that interview being
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  Speaker 7: these events and what they mean for our country. Here's
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  Speaker 7: a little of what the Governor-General told me.
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  Speaker 6: It has been a catastrophic incident and that's why it
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  Speaker 6: is so shocking and so distressing for everybody.
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  Speaker 7: Lots more in the program, but one of the things
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  Speaker 7: I did ask the Governor-General about was the dramas, the
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  Speaker 7: soap opera around the royal family in the UK because
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  Speaker 7: Prince Harry himself has talked now about some sort of
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  Speaker 7: a reconciliation in the family.
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  Speaker 4: Have a look.
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  Speaker 3: I want it to work out. You do? Of course
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  Speaker 3: I do. Again, with everything else that's going on in
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  Speaker 3: the world, the most important thing is to reconcile.
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  Speaker 7: All that to come, plenty more to come, as well
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  Speaker 7: as the Coalition's Michaelia Cash.
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  Speaker 4: But as the nation and our political class, of course,
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  Speaker 4: deals with this.
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  Speaker 7: Trauma of the Helen Haynes attack, much of the focus
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  Speaker 7: has fallen onto the security around MPs. They're electorate officers
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  Speaker 7: and their public appearances. There have been suggestions of full-time
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  Speaker 7: security for all politicians and other over-the-top and impractical responses. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 7: the Prime Minister is alive to these issues but guarded
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  Speaker 7: about going too far.
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  Speaker 5: We had briefings yesterday from the head of the AFP
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  Speaker 5: as well as Victoria Police. And we want to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that people can feel as much comfort as possible,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: that everything's being done to maximise security. But also, I
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: think parliamentarians across the board are determined to make sure
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: that we can continue to engage as we need to
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: in this great democracy of ours. I've had discussions with.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Is that possible?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: with Matt Canavan.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: It has to be.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Have things changed forever, though?
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: It has to be the case, in my view, very strongly,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: that we need to be able to attend community events, festivals.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: We need to be able to go shopping and to
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: engage with people in the queues of Audi or Woolies
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: or Coles or the Westfield.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Centres around Australia. And we need to be able to
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: go to the footy.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how about that? Me agreeing with Anthony Albanese.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: We can't have our politicians put in a bubble. That's
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: bad for them and it's bad for us. And again,
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: speaking as someone who's been in that bubble, including with
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: a foreign minister under close personal protection for a couple
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: of years, we need to understand that it would be
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: impossible for to provide that level of protection for all politicians.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: Our police forces wouldn't have the personnel, the country wouldn't
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: have the money. And more to the point, it still
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: wouldn't prevent a brutal and unexpected episode like we saw
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: in Wangaratta on Monday. Nothing could have stopped that except
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: knowledge of the threat. And so it gets back to
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: the same argument, the same necessity as with the threat
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: of Islamist extremism. and that is that you can never
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: protect people from every scenario. A lunatic filled with hate
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: can always find a way. So the goal has to
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: be to tackle the hatred, to diminish the threat. In
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: the political debate, that means, sure, as everyone seems to agree, stamping.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Out violent language and wild threats online.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: That's easy to oppose and easy to identify, and we
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: all agree on that. We need to see an end
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: to the demonisation of political opponents too, and that might
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: take a bit more work for some. But still, there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: something harder that I reckon is even more important. We
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: need to put an end to mainstream politicians and media
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: promulgating extreme and misleading views that can fuel real fear
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: and real hatred. For instance, if people are told that
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: without drastic climate action in Australia, the planet will be
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: destroyed and human life on the planet will end, well,
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: is it any wonder that others might respond in extreme ways?
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: Debates need to be factual and reasonable, lest they trigger
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: extreme responses from people who don't know any better. Similarly,
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: if people are told that Israel is targeting civilians, murdering
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: children and starving people, well, is it any wonder that
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: others who believe those lies respond in a strident fashion?
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Politicians and media need to quit it with the lies,
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: with the wild exaggerations and the lies, because the consequence
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: is not just febrile debate. It can also be violent
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: reactions from people who just don't know the facts. Stick
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: to the facts because emotive lies trigger emotive reactions.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Just before we.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: Go on, I want to recap what we just saw
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: from Melbourne, that live update on the condition.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Of Helen Haynes from her husband, Phil.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: A very brave performance by Phil, who obviously has come
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: straight from his wife's bedside to tell the nation that
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: her heart and mind are still strong, but she has
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: lost her other leg.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Here's Phil Haynes.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Helen's left leg was amputated on Monday. We had been
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: hoping that her right leg would be saved. But as
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of this afternoon or this morning, the surgeons had to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: also remove her right leg. But the good news in
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: all this is Helen is alive and she's stable.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: Such a brave performance by a man who is going
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: through hell now with the rest of his family.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: He held it together until right at the end.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: One thing I've learnt in the last two days, reinforced
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: by many people, is to take things day by day.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I know it's a cliche, but it's a cliche for
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a very good reason. So I thank you all for
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: being here. I thank you for listening. And please keep
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: sending Helen your love and our family as well.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, what a brave man.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: What a traumatic period for him as well as, of course,
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: for his wife of almost 40 years now, Helen Haynes.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: Of course, the heart's And the prayers of the nation
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: do go to Helen Haynes at this time. Let's catch
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: up with the Shadow Attorney-General, Michaelia Cash.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Michaelia, good to speak to you.
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: Firstly, your thoughts on that, the brave performance, the harrowing
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: update from Phil Haynes and also the fact that, of course,
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: the whole nation is sending their thoughts and prayers her way.
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: Well, it's not the news that anybody wanted. And I
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: have to say, though, Chris, what a gracious and dignified
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: address from Helen's husband in what must be an absolutely
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: heartbreaking moment. And as we've seen over the last 24 hours,
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: you know, from across Australia, from across the political spectrum,
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: people have just been sending their love, their thoughts and
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: their prayers to Helen and her family. What I loved, though...
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: about what was said about Helen was it is day
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: by day. However, Helen is a fighter. That's the Helen
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: we all know. I think that's the Helen you know.
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: And Helen will continue to fight. But certainly an incredibly
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: gracious and dignified address from Phil in what must be
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: an incredibly difficult moment for him.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Let's go to some of the nitty gritty, some of
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: the fallout from this, which is Difficult to deal with,
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: of course, after such an emotional update from Phil Haynes. But,
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: of course, the alleged attacker here, Brendan Nugent, the 43-year-old,
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: has appeared in court today. I've got to say, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: want to get your explanation as the Shadow Attorney-General. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: understand this, but just so everybody's clear, there are relatively
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: minor charges being laid yet. Nothing about attempted murder and
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: the like. But, of course, police couldn't hold him without
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: charging him and you would be expecting more serious charges
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: in the future, perhaps?
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: And certainly that was what was said today in one
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: of the interviews that I saw with the police involved,
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: that at this point in time, as you said, he
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: is being held on charges. But as they said, as
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: the investigation progresses, those charges may well be upgraded. So
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: at this point in time, he is being held. He
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: has been charged. But as the police have said, It
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: is an ongoing investigation and the investigation may well see
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: those charges upgraded.
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: Now, I'm always careful to point out very clearly in
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: cases like this, there's only one person to blame and
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: that is the culprit in any attack like this. But
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: the environment is impossible to ignore and everybody's talking about it. Now,
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: we have seen from Brendan Nugent social media posts that
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: are on the extreme end when it comes to both
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: the war in Gaza and his attitude to Israel, and,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: of course, on climate change. Now, I just mentioned those
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: two issues in my editorial because it seems to me
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: these are two issues where, in the mainstream debate, there
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: is so much hysteria and fear generated, so many lies perpetrated,
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: not by the fringe elements, but by mainstream political parties
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: and media, and they ought to tone it down and
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: try and stick to the reasonable facts.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: At this point in time, you can't ascribe motive to
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: this incident because it is an ongoing investigation. And as
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: the facts evolve, obviously there'll be more information. But, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: one of the things I love about our democracy, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: I think you've heard this over the last 24 hours, Chris,
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: is that we are lucky enough to live in a
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: country where you can have robust political debate. And long
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: may that reign. But the issue has become that robust
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: political debate, which is based on policies and facts, has
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: sadly now crossed into threats. It's clearly crossed into violence.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: And that is completely unacceptable. I think a lot of it, though,
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: when you have a look at it, Chris, when I
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: first entered the parliament, it was a long time ago,
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: time ago now, but one of the things I loved
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: about the debates, even with the other side, it was
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: based on policy. You dissected a policy. You looked at
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: the facts. You put forward your argument. Today, because of
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: social media, because of clickbait, because people want news. They
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: want it every other second of the day. Things have
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: become far more extreme so you can grab a person's attention.
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: And I think that we really do need to have
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: a good, long, hard look at the way we do
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: conduct political discussion in this country. And I think even
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: the Governor-General said it's not about playing the person. It's
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: about looking at the policies and attacking them. And that's
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: where we need to go.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: Now, the Prime Minister has tried to take the high
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: moral ground on this, calling for people to cool down
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: in political debate, but as we revealed last night via
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: Peter van Onselen in the Daily Mail, it was only
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: weeks ago that the Prime Minister's own office has been
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: putting out a dirt file against Helen Haynes. They were
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: miffed that Helen Haynes was criticising the Prime Minister.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: over grants to the golf club in his electorate.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: And here in the Daily Mail today, Peter Van Onselen
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: has revealed the dirt sheet itself.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: There it is. You can't deny it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: And Anthony Albanese was asked about it today by Kieran Gilbert.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Have a look. So did the office send that out?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Do you regret that in hindsight, given the events of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: recent days?
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Well, Helen Haynes is a strong advocate for her community
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and she advocates for funding. just as the Coalition made
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: more than 1,000 commitments worth $ 1. 644 billion during the election campaign.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: That's what local members do for their local communities.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: Michaelia Cash, no denial of the dirt sheet there from
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: the Prime Minister. Is this a classic example of how
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: ugly politics is played?
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: Chris, let's be very clear here. Anthony Albanese is the
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: most divisive Prime Minister our country has ever seen. You
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: have had a complete breakdown in social cohesion and division
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: under his leadership, and that was exacerbated, as you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: at his inaction following what occurred on October 7, 2023.
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: But his hypocrisy was also on display in that interview.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: On Monday night, he stood up and he talked about
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: Helen's integrity, as he should have. But at that same time,
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: just a few weeks ago, his office is shopping around
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: a dirt sheet on Helen, deliberately undermining her integrity.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: Because she raised serious issues which the Prime Minister, quite frankly...
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: has still not answered in relation to a $ 6 million
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: grant that was given to a golf club in his
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: electorate of which he held an honorary membership and was
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: closely associated. So, quite frankly, his hypocrisy, I think, is sickening.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: And the fact that he was unable to give an
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: unequivocal answer to the questions that were put to him, well,
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: that within itself... is an answer to where that dirt
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: sheet came from. But as I said, the basic principle
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: for I think Australians now is where you look at
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: where our country is under this Prime Minister, there is
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: no two ways about it. Tone begins at the top.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: He actually likes to tell people to bring the tone down. Well,
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister needs for once to look at himself,
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: to look at his actions, to look at the dirt sheet,
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: to look at the hypocrisy, because the Prime Minister is
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: good at words. However, sadly in Australia, what we now
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: see is this is the most divisive Prime Minister our
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: country has ever seen, and Australians are sadly living the
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: consequences of that.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Michaelia Cash, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Michaelia
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Cash there, live from Perth.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: Now, as I mentioned earlier, I went to Admiralty House
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: today to have a sit-down interview with the Governor-General, Sam Mostyn,
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: to discuss the horrific fate that's befallen independent MP Helen
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: Haynes and what all this means for our country.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Let me share that with you now.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: Governor-General, thanks for joining us on The Kenny Report. I
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: have to start with the horrible episode in Wangaratta and
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: Helen Haynes' injuries.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: What are your reflections on that at this stage?
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Well, my thoughts at the moment, like all Australians, remain
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: with Helen. She remains in a critical condition in the
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Alfred Hospital in Melbourne with her family nearby. She has
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: sustained terrible, terrible injuries. I think the country is shocked
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: and shattered by this and looking for explanations and trying
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: to understand what has happened. But for Helen, for her family,
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: for her team and all those volunteers around Indi, my
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: thoughts are with them. And we've got to hope that
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: there is a recovery ahead, even if it will be
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: a very long recovery. This has been a terrible attack
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: on an elected official in our federal parliament, one of
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: the best of her kind and most beloved. People admire
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Helen Haynes because of the way she conducts herself I
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: think almost as the exemplar of how we conduct debate
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: in our parliaments. So I think it's had an even
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: deeper effect because it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Is Helen Haynes. You know her personally?
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I do. I was with her two weeks ago in Euroa.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: I was there for a regional visit to say thank
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: you to CFA and other first responders for the terrible
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: fires and floods around Strathbogie and Shepparton and her seat,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: along with all of the mayors of that region. We
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: were in a recovery hub in Yaroa where we were
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: saying thank you to some very special people who are
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: still standing by people in recovery in that part of Victoria.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: And as we were leaving, because I've known Helen and
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: I've admired her and her style, we started talking about
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: this very issue, about what needs to be done, how
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: would we almost have the conversation nationally about civility, respect
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: for people who do stand for public office. I'd like
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: to talk about encouraging more people to understand how our
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: democracy works and to stop the deterioration of civics education.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: So we were having exactly that conversation and we left
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: with a hug saying, we must do more of this
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: work because it's so important to.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Uplift the nation.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: So for me personally, there's an element of disbelief that
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: the woman who has always worked quietly and patiently on
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: these issues, most recently about just how our parliaments operate
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: and the role of question time and all those features,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: it's those parliamentarians like Helen that it's almost impossible to
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: imagine anyone wanting to attack.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: So I feel.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: I'm very, very sad at the moment, but I know
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: there's Governor-General. It's important for us to have this conversation
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: and to talk about where do we go from here.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: It's a dark stain on our democracy, isn't it?
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: A democracy that, by global standards, has been remarkably free
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: of violence.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: We have had some attacks on leaders, but they've been rare,
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: and I think people have studied that and looked at
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: the causation of those. But we are one of the
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: most stable, successful democracies in the world, One of the
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: great privileges I have as Governor-General is to travel the
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: world on state visits, and there's not a single place
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: I go where people don't take the time to say,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: you are, you're representing one of the greatest democracies, keep
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: it up. They're very jealous of many of the features
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: of our democracy, our compulsory voting, our preferential voting, an
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: independent electoral commissioner, and the fact that the people have
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: a say of the way this country is run at local,
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: state and federal levels. And I always come back renewed
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: in my commitment to as Governor-General, to celebrate that with people.
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: You travel a lot around Australia as well, and I
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: know you like to have a lot of intimate contact
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: with Australians, mainstream Australians, wherever you go. So how much
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: do you fear for your own safety in this climate
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: and how much do you worry that these security fears
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: could inhibit that work?
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: So I think the big take-out of this is that
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: it has sent a chilling effect across our parliaments, not
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: just federally with state and, of course, across local government,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: where local councillors who I meet all the time, when
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: I go into local communities, it's generally with the mayor
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: and councillors. They've been telling me lately, long before this issue,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: that it's become very testing as local councillors to have
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: open council meetings without threats of violence, people turning up
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: in their home addresses, threatening their families. So we've been
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: seeing something that's been happening across our system. This, of course,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: is a deeper chill because of the extreme nature of
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: this and the catastrophic injury suffered by Helen. For me personally,
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: I am so well served by the Australian Federal Police.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: I have a close protection unit that governors general have
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: always had. It is attached not to me as the person,
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: but to the role as the representative of the head
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: of state. And I knew that when I took on
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: this role that I would give up all my privacy
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: and that wherever I am outside places like this, that
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: I would have close protection.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: They are magnificent.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: The prime minister has that level of protection as do
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: a number of senior office holders. So I never feel
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: scared or worried. I understand those that might, particularly in
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: this climate. But even if I didn't have them, in
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: the Office of Governor-General, we see very little in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: way of a credible threat. Those threats seem to have
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: been running and increasing for elected representatives. Of course, I'm
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: not elected. I have a very different role representing His
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Majesty and operating through our constitution. What I experience most
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: places I go is a deep affection for our system
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: and people wanting to reach out and talk to me
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: in a different role not having politics. I have no politics,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: no policies. I don't have any money to grant. And
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: I do remind people of that. I find people leaning in.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: They often share things with me that they might not
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: share with politicians. They generally say they'd like us to
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: return to a country where care is at the centre
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: of things. They ask why we're not kinder to each other.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: And they always talk about why it is that we've
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: lost the great art of debate and how to disagree well.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: Often they say to me, where's that great muscle of decency?
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: and I see the most decent impact and the most
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: decent people wherever I go. So I don't feel frightened
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: because the great Australian public and people you would see
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: all the time, Chris, lean into our democracy, but I'm
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: acutely aware that for others that sense of safety is
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: not as strong as I have.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: You've been in the role for over two years now,
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: and it's been a particularly toxic time in our public debate,
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: in our political debate. We've seen rising levels of anti-Semitism
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: of course culminating in that horrific massacre at Bondi. Now
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: we've had an elected federal politician attacked allegedly outside her
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: electorate office. What do you think is happening in our
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: political environment at the moment that's leading to so much hatred,
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: so many threats and also realised violence?
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: So of course you would understand that I won't comment
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: on the political class or politicians, given my role. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: would reflect that as I took office and I gave
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: my first address to the Australian people in the Senate,
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: and that was when I was sworn in by the
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Chief Justice, I committed myself in this role to putting care,
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: kindness and respect and decency at the centre of everything
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: I would do. I would observe that over the time
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: I've been Governor-General, you've mentioned the most horrific anti-Semitic attack
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: at Bondi, where I showed up immediately... to offer comfort,
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: which all former Governors-General have done, and then to try
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: to work with that community and the broader Australian community
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: to push against any form of anti-Semitism and to look
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: more broadly at what was rising in our country that
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: was making people feel unsafe, Jewish people and others, and
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: to say we can be better than this. But I
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: did know coming into this job that one of the
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: things that was changing profoundly around us was the way
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: in which we get our news. And so when I
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: was growing up, it was the newspapers and watching the
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: regular news service Most Australians, as I was growing up,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: had a shared source of news, and fact was fact. Today,
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: a lot of our communities, and particularly post-COVID, when we
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: went into our own worlds, have a curated form of information.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: Sometimes it's misinformation. Sometimes it's a deliberate disinformation. But we
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: can curate our news services and our source of what
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: we think is truth, and we all work... I think
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: we've started to see what happens when you stretch a
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: society that in Australia has generally been around the centre
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: and agreed on most things, if we know the facts.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: now creating different streams of understanding of what is truth.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: Combine that with communities that then operate in silos and
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: don't want to know about what others are doing, you
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: see the beginning of what I think is a slow
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: fraying of democratic principles. I don't believe we're in a
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: catastrophic period. I have to believe that the strength of
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: our democracy will hold, but democracies start to fail when
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: the loose threads start to come undone and we don't
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: pay attention. It's one of our most precious assets, so
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: I encourage people to make sure that what they are
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: dealing with is fact And then when we enter debates,
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: we leave some room and space for someone we disagree
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: with and don't move immediately to a violent attack.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: That we might.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Reconsider that tweet or that Instagram response that's got expletives
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: and is in caps. Even when we speak to one another,
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: we might just take a breath and think, I disagree,
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: but I'm going to actually enter into this conversation with
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: exercising that muscle of decency. I think that's been deteriorating
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: because I'm not sure we have that one source of
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: truth anymore. if we ever did, I imagine. But there's
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: something about curating your own understanding of the world. And then,
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: of course, the world has changed. So in my time
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: in the office, we have seen some of the greatest conflicts,
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: a big shift in the geostrategic positioning.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Of the world.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to be preachy about it or be
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Pollyanna-ish about it. What I see when I go deep
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: into community to have the proper conversation with people, I
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: still see the essence of people who believe deeply in
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: our democracy, in mateship, in ANZAC tradition, in helping one another,
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: And I see them yearning for us all to be
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: kind and respectful.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I think you're right.
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: I think that demise of the public square is a
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: big factor in modern public debate. Also, I think people
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: hate to admit when they get anything wrong. And I
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: wrote a column earlier this year, I know you read it,
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: where I admitted I got it wrong about you. I
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: predicted that as a fairly activist person in business, you
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: wouldn't be able to resist activism in your role.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I was wrong. You've been above politics. You've been above
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: activism for the past two years or so as Governor-General.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Has it been hard biting your tongue when it comes
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: to political or social issues?
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, thank you for having the courage
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: and the grace to actually publicly say that. It meant
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: a great deal to me because... My appointment was highly criticised.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: To this day, I still receive quite disturbing feedback online,
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: often anonymously, that suggests all sorts of things about my intention.
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: I'm interested in that word activist because I've always been
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: an active member of us as a citizen. I grew
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: up in an army family. I understood service in every
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: job I've had. I've never been a member of a
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: political party. I've never gone out and protested. I have
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: stood up for things I believe are right and true
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: and good. I never had a temptation to do anything
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: other than serve in this role. I wouldn't have accepted
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: it if I didn't think I could do it. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: felt coming in that I knew what the job required.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: At its core, it's respect for the Australian people. And
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: I'm not tempted to ever do anything other than speak
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: up on behalf of all Australians.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: No politics.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: I said to you earlier, I don't vote. In this
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: period of five years, I have sought permission from the
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: Federal Electoral Commissioner to not vote and not be fined
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: or have to deal with the consequences on the basis
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: that I could say to anyone I meet, I don't
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: go to a polling booth and make a choice. I
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: am totally above the fray. My job is completely distinct
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: and I represent the Crown and my constitutional roles are
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: very important, as are my ceremonial and commander-in-chief and community.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: It is the ultimate privilege to serve in this role
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: and I treat it with the greatest of respect.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: You're the opposite to me, I'd like to vote more often.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: I might ask the Electoral Commission whether they'll give me
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: your vote.
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: Well, it was an interesting conversation because a lot of
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: people said, no, you must hold the vote. It is
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: the ultimate civic benefit. Like, it is the thing that
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: people come and move to this country and become citizens
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: in order to affect, to vote. And so by giving
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: it up... I think in your position it's understandable. My
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: husband did not give it up. He said, well, I'm
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: not the Governor-General and I... I think that is one
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: of the most precious things I have. We don't talk politics.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: I have no idea who he votes for at any
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: level of government. But I'm quite clear that it was
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: important to send a strong signal about who I am
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: and that I won't engage in any political discussion or
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: have a mind about politics. I know what this role requires.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Just finally then, of course, you are the King's representative
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: in this country. And with the the Royal Family's personal
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: trauma is being played out publicly.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: In what amounts to a soap opera.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: Do you worry that that diminishes faith or respect for
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: the Royal Family?
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: I won't comment on any of those aspects of the
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Royal Family. What I can say is that it's an
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: immense privilege for me to represent His Majesty King Charles III.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: We have regular communication. I have spent time with him
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: most recently. in Scotland at the Commonwealth Games that he opened,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: and I had a chance to have a conversation with him,
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: as I do if we can do that. He's a
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: modern king. He is so supportive of our system of government.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: I have made sure that our office has kept in
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: touch with his office about this terrible moment for Helen,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: and he is monitoring everything that's going on here. I
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: think he is such a fine example of a head
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: of state who who embodies and models the very best
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: of what it means to hold these positions.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: You advised the King about the attack on Helen Haynes.
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: Have you heard anything back?
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: No, the office has been in touch with the palace,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: so our officers keep in touch with any matters like this.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: We're keeping him advised. Certainly through Bondi, he was actively engaged.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: So I spoke to him on a number of occasions
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: during the aftermath. He sent gifts to the two police
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: officers who were injured in that event We gave those
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: gifts on his behalf with a note from him to
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: those two officers who are doing really well now, who
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: were both injured, as a mark of respect for them.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: And that was a genuine affection for Australia and our
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: police force from the King. So he cares deeply about
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: those moments and I'm sure right now he will be
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: wanting us to continue the updates. And like me, my thoughts, yours,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: everyone watching, I'm sure, is Helen's critical condition at the moment.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: I just hope There is good news, but it has
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: been a catastrophic incident and that's why it is so
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: shocking and so distressing for everybody.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Your Excellency, Governor-General Sam Mostyn, thanks for joining us.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: Thanks for coming in, Chris.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there you go, Sam Mostyn trying to show a
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: little bit of leadership and compassion at this difficult time
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: for the country. Quick shout-out to Sam Mostyn's father, Bill. Bill,
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: thank you for your service to the nation and thanks
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: for being.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: A regular viewer. We're going to go to a break now.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: After the break, the Wednesday Wrangle. We'll look at this
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: issue and plenty more. Let's get into Wednesday Wrangle. Columnist
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: Justin Smith is joining us from Melbourne, as ever, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: on the desk here with me is Jamie Johnson, host
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: of the Just Jamie podcast.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Look, I want to get a.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: Quick thought from each of you on the situation with
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: Helen Haynes and the repercussions, but before I do, let's
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: just recap some of what her husband, Phil, had to say.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: say in his brave update to the nation almost an
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: hour ago.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Here's Phil Haynes.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: The two most important parts of Helen for us as
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a family are her heart and her mind. Her heart
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: is huge. She is a very compassionate, caring, loving person.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: incredibly supportive of all around her, her family, her community,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: anybody she comes across.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And her mind, she has the sharpest intellect.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: She has always had the most intense desire to learn,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to read, to synthesise and to understand what's going on.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: We are grateful and thankful that at this stage, both
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: her heart and her mind are in good shape.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: Phil Haynes there updating The Nation after revealing that his
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: wife Helen has now had both of her legs amputated.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Jamie, her life will never be the same again.
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: No, it's incredibly, incredibly sad. And everyone I've spoken with
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: this week about it, you know, family members, friends, we
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: all just say how sad it is. And sad not
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: only obviously for Helen, but it's a sad day for
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: the political class in Australia. I tend to agree with
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: what Anthony Albanese said. You showed it earlier earlier. with
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: him saying we can't go stopping our MPs from doing
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: the shopping and going to the footy.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: You can't.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sad.
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it is tragic, I think, Justin, and it's right.
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: We can't hide our politicians away. They need to engage.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: But it does increase their anxiety and justified fears at times, Justin,
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: and it's also another impediment for people going into politics.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, which we don't want.
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: I mean, we want different kinds of people getting into politics,
• 51:07
  Speaker 10: not just professional politicians, but all kinds of people. I mean,
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: Phil Haynes was just extraordinary in that clip there because he.
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: That's a guy who hasn't had a great deal of
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: sleep in the last few days, and to be able
• 51:22
  Speaker 10: to speak like that... And what he said is incredible.
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: You know, we don't know, well, we know what happened,
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: but we don't know why it happened yet. But I
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: think one of the incredible things about it is really
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: made us think about how we communicate with each other
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: and how we talk, because we've really gone down a
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: bit of a track that I don't think we'd ever
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: see ourselves here. You know, some of the bitterness that's come,
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: I mean, look, I'll be honest, it's made me think
• 51:50
  Speaker 10: about the way I communicate with people as well. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 10: went a bit too far with with Jamie a few
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: weeks ago. And, you know, and look, I'm thrilled to
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: say that Jamie and I have sort of become mates
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: because of it. But, you know, just changing our tone.
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: When did we start crapping on about people being from
• 52:05
  Speaker 10: the left and the right? I mean, I'll tell you
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: what's lovely, Chris, if you don't mind. That interview that
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: you did with the Governor-General was extraordinary for two reasons.
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: One of them is you had apologised to her, talked
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: about apologising for something that you got wrong. And the
• 52:21
  Speaker 10: second thing is Her Excellency appeared on a program that
• 52:25
  Speaker 10: had been critical of her in the past. Wouldn't it
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: be terrific if we just had a bit more of
• 52:30
  Speaker 10: that going on?
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a real problem.
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: For instance, there's no doubt I attack Anthony Albanese strongly
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: here on this program and always for things that I
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: think are Worthwhile, Jamie.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: But I'd much rather discuss them with him on the program.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, they won't come on. Labor won't come on.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: And so our media becomes these silos, these different echo chambers,
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: which is disappointing.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: It doesn't help the public so much.
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: It's one of the things I really dislike about controlling
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: the algorithm, this thing they're putting forward. Because I, for one,
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: who am in this space, I want people who don't
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: agree with me to see my stuff and vice versa.
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: I don't want there to be an opt-out and, oh,
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: I'm not interested in that, and the echo chamber gets worse.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: So.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: Alright, I want to quickly jump on to some other things.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Because there's so much more to talk about. I want
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: to go to the royal family.
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: Because Prince Harry has done an interview and he said
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: something that I think is sensible from a family point
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: of view.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Have a look.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I want it to work out.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: You do?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Of course I do. Again, with everything else that's going
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: on in the world, the most important thing is to reconcile.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: That's the key point. There's enough drama in the world
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: and enough drama in people's lives than to continue with
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: issues with family.
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: Justin, I'm not much of a royal watcher, but this
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: is sensible. Reconcile with your father... You are... and your brothers.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Your brother. Yeah. It's just got to be done. A
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: little bit more love floating around. Absolutely. It's kind of nice. Look,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: when Harry's smart, he's smart.
• 54:11
  Speaker 10: I tell you, he's been around, he's fought in wars,
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: you know, his credentials are strong. He doesn't get everything right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: but he's a strong guy... with some terrific character in there.
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: It'd be lovely to see that family fix that up.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they need to. Jamie, I'm going to say something
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: special for you. This is from my good friend. I
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: go back 30-odd years with Kelly Sloan, who's now the
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: New South Wales opposition leader.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: This popped up on Instagram today. I reckon she's spot on.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Have a look.
• 54:39
  Speaker 11: So I'm going to say something that should not be controversial,
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: but apparently it is. Only women, only women breastfeed babies. well,
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: apparently not according to New South Wales Parliament, who released
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: an updated list of policies today, including the breastfeeding policy,
• 54:55
  Speaker 11: and they said, for the breastfeeding policy, this policy has
• 54:59
  Speaker 11: been updated with gender-neutral language. Gender-neutral language for a breastfeeding policy.
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: This just blows my mind. This is why we all
• 55:10
  Speaker 11: wonder whether the world is going completely nuts.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: She's spot on, isn't she?
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: And we've got public servants wasting their time on this stuff.
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: Absolutely wasting their time. She is more than spot on. And,
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: you know, this just feeds in as well that the
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: addition to that is that we have a sex discrimination
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: officer in Anacody who has written not only the stuff
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: with breastfeeding but can't tell us, you know, between a
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: man and a woman in the workplace with pregnancy rights.
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: So gender neutral.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Gender neutral?
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Gender neutral.
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: Pregnancy, breastfeeding, gender neutral.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, good Lord.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: Alright, thanks for joining us, Justin and Jamie. I appreciate
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: it greatly. We'll catch you next week. The program's been
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: mixed up a bit today with that extended press conference
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: at the top of the program, the brave Phil Haynes,
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: of course, with the Governor-General there as well. Let me
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: just share with you some of your feedback on what
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: I had to say last night about Labor's hypocrisy on
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: public debate. Bill says, see the smirk on Albanese's face
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: as he says we need to turn the heat down. Yes,
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: he and his colleagues in the Labor Party need to
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: stop preaching the hatred and verbal attacks aired in Parliament
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: and shown on TV. Tony says Albanese has divided the country.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Imagine Albo and.
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: The ABC if the accused was a One Nation supporter.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: The hypocrisy is staggering.
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: Philip says, wherever Albo's mob are taking us, it isn't
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: going to be a nice place. Avoidance, hypocrisy, lies, incompetence
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: and double standards are no solution to our problems. Little
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: wonder Australians are very pissed off. Well, on that slight
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: abuse of the English language, I'll leave you tonight. I'll
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quedlin.