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Wired To Hunt Podcast #149: The Unique Experiences, Perspectives & Challenges of Today’s Female Hunter w/Jessica Delorenzo and Alex Templeton · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one forty nine
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  Speaker 1: Tannis Show. We're joined by Jessica de Lorenzo and Alex Templeton,
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  Speaker 1: and we're exploring the unique experiences, perspectives, and challenges of
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  Speaker 1: today's female hunter. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear and Tannis Show. We're
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  Speaker 1: joined by two avid hunters, Jessica de Lorenzo and Alex Templeton.
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  Speaker 1: And these are two women who are not just serious hunters,
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  Speaker 1: but also terrific ambassadors for the female hunting community in
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  Speaker 1: addition to being her core hunters. Jessica is a professional
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  Speaker 1: photographer out of Pennsylvania and Alex is a cattle woman
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  Speaker 1: out of Missouri. So I wanted to have Jessica and
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  Speaker 1: Alex on the show today to talk hunting and deer
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  Speaker 1: and photography and gear and stories, but also to talk
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  Speaker 1: about their perspective as female hunters. You know, what it's
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  Speaker 1: like getting into hunting as a female, what it's like now,
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  Speaker 1: how they feel about how female hunters are portrayed and
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  Speaker 1: treated today, maybe in public or in the media, and
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot more so we're gonna talk about deer
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  Speaker 1: and turkeys and antelope and photography and bows and hunting
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  Speaker 1: clothing and all sorts of good stuff. But before all that, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: what is new in the world of the nine fingered wonder?
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  Speaker 1: Still got nine fingers? That's good as as it're growing
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  Speaker 1: back yet. So there's that. Well. I worried one of
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  Speaker 1: these days you might come out and say, eight, I
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  Speaker 1: just never know what you're getting into. Oh, ship, the
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  Speaker 1: next time I lose something, it's gonna be like a
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  Speaker 1: whole hand or arm knock on wood right here. So
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  Speaker 1: what were you gonna say? I don't know what What
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  Speaker 1: was the question? Let's just asking what's new with you? Man? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: It's it's good, you know, same old stuff. I'm in
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  Speaker 1: a in a routine. I I, like I told you
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  Speaker 1: before we started recording. I have my office moved from
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  Speaker 1: out in this industrial park to downtown uh like downtown
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  Speaker 1: Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and I have to park in a
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  Speaker 1: parking garage. I have to fight traffic, I have to
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  Speaker 1: you know, take the skywalk back to you know, a
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  Speaker 1: building that is probably built out of cubicle parts. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It just sucks and yeah, well part of it, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. So what about this weekend? You did a
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  Speaker 1: good weekend, right, Yeah, a three day weekend, man, I
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  Speaker 1: tell you what. I had absolutely so much fun hanging
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  Speaker 1: with my family. Um, we didn't kill any turkeys. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they were hend up pretty bad, but me and the
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  Speaker 1: wife found mushrooms and my stepbrother found mushrooms. We caught fish,
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  Speaker 1: and then my stepdad he killed thirty one pound tom
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  Speaker 1: with almost two inch spurs and like eleven and three
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  Speaker 1: quarters inch beard. Jeez, that's crazy, a huge, huge tom.
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  Speaker 1: And we had a meal on Friday night that was
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  Speaker 1: was it Friday night or Saturday night? Anyway? It was
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  Speaker 1: fish that we caught, turkey that we killed, and mushrooms
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  Speaker 1: that we found. All and everything that we ate for
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  Speaker 1: that meal was from the field to the table in
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  Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours. That is so cool. That
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  Speaker 1: is that is that is awesome? Yeah, that's just the
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  Speaker 1: ultimate sense of satisfaction eating meal like that. It's that
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  Speaker 1: there was better than eating my dear with you know,
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  Speaker 1: store bought side dishes, right, everything that we ate was
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  Speaker 1: completely organic, completely wild, and I don't know that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, sat complete satisfaction. And my daughter caught
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  Speaker 1: the fish that we ate, so that right there made
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  Speaker 1: it even better. Um, you know, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. But as I get older,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just like spending time with a family and
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  Speaker 1: focusing less on myself as of right now, like turkey hunting,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even care. This weekend was so much fun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was nice to get out and hear some gobbles,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, this weekend was about family. I know
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  Speaker 1: it will change come fall when because deer are a
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  Speaker 1: little higher on the priority chart than turkey are. Yeah. Now,
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  Speaker 1: how much time is left in the season. Are you
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  Speaker 1: going to get to go up hunt yourself? Uh? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I got I got a shot done tag so that
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  Speaker 1: ends today actually, and we're recording this on a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: So uh uh, if I get a chance to go
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  Speaker 1: out tonight, which I doubt, I'm done well, Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: the good times and that's in the long run what's important.
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  Speaker 1: Did uh? Did your wife still a good time even
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  Speaker 1: though the birds weren't cooperating. She absolutely loves Okay, she
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  Speaker 1: loves going shed hunting now, right, and she loves finding mushrooms.
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  Speaker 1: So we found a lot of mushrooms. Um there. The
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  Speaker 1: weather has been warm, so it usually mushrooms just pop, right.
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  Speaker 1: So this year, with a warmer weather, they're saying that
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a longer drawn out um uh, a
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  Speaker 1: longer drawn out mushroom season. So uh, we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: out a couple of times this week, I think a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times next week and see if we can't
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  Speaker 1: find some more. But I love mushrooms, man, very cool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping to find some out here in Montana here soon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they do, they have them out there, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they do. It sounds like I don't. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the season is quite as kind of short and sweet
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  Speaker 1: as it is back home for me in Michigan. Stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more drawn out. But from what I understand,
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  Speaker 1: you can find them, you know, in lower elevations like
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  Speaker 1: the river bottoms early maybe like April and stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: then you keep on going later into the early summer
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  Speaker 1: and you can find them. I've heard, like June even
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  Speaker 1: up in some of these higher south facing hill slopes
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  Speaker 1: and burn areas and stuff. So so Yeah, We're heading
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  Speaker 1: from Montana tomorrow and I'm gonna do some shed hunting
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  Speaker 1: and some mushroom hunting hopefully these next few days, if
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  Speaker 1: the weather cooperates. Did you finalize any turkey hunting plans
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  Speaker 1: yet or what? Yeah, so that's that's one of the
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  Speaker 1: things I'm hoping to fit in when we get them
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  Speaker 1: out there too. But nothing's finalized. You haven't figured out details.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is kind of everything has been kind of a cluster.
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  Speaker 1: It's just been like chaos with all sorts of different
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  Speaker 1: things going on. And the weather has been really tough well,
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  Speaker 1: been like raining or snowing and crappy most of the
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  Speaker 1: days the past week and now this whole week ahead
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  Speaker 1: of us looks like every single day. Um So that's
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  Speaker 1: caused some challenges and you know, the adventures of of
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  Speaker 1: my first time using a camper on one of these
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  Speaker 1: types of trips. The the adventures continue. Um So, we've
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  Speaker 1: had some more fun things happened since we last talked,
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  Speaker 1: um most notably well, okay, so a place where are
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  Speaker 1: awning connects to the camper that got ripped out one
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  Speaker 1: day by wind because we hadn't put the awning up
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't supposed to be very windy, but it
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  Speaker 1: was apparently enough to knock out one of these things
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  Speaker 1: I've had to repair that um our water pump in
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  Speaker 1: the camper now doesn't seem to work, so we can't
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  Speaker 1: get any water. Um So now we're filling up water
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  Speaker 1: bottles and stuff in town and then coming back and
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  Speaker 1: staying at camp instead of being able to use the
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  Speaker 1: fresh water tank that's in the camper. And two nights ago,
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  Speaker 1: I was woke up in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 1: by scurrying noises all over and scraping and chewing, and
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  Speaker 1: I spent most of that night not being able to
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  Speaker 1: fall asleep because every five ten minutes I'd hear something
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  Speaker 1: scurring around and I jump out of bed and try
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  Speaker 1: to kill it. Our camper has been invaded by mice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus. So the first night I was up to
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  Speaker 1: like two thirty, we made like homemade mouse traps trying
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  Speaker 1: to trying to catch this thing by taking the trash
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  Speaker 1: can and we put a rope a piece of string
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  Speaker 1: across the trash can, and then put a beer can
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  Speaker 1: on the rope so spinning, you know, so it could
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  Speaker 1: spin on the string. And then some peanut butter on
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  Speaker 1: top of the can, and then like a bridge leading
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  Speaker 1: up to the garbage pan, and then and then water
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  Speaker 1: inside the garbage can, so that the trick would be
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  Speaker 1: the mouse would smell the peanut butter up on the can,
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  Speaker 1: he'd climb up to the top of the can, walk
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  Speaker 1: across the rope to the beer can, and then when
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  Speaker 1: he steps on that to try and get the peanut butter,
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  Speaker 1: it would spin and he'd fall into the garbage can drown.
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  Speaker 1: So that was our idea um that we got online.
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  Speaker 1: It did not work, but it seemed like idea um.
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  Speaker 1: So that was night number one. Then yesterday we went
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  Speaker 1: to the store and bought all sorts of real mouse
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  Speaker 1: traps and mouse repellent and all sort of stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: I tried to find where they might be getting into
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  Speaker 1: the camper and tried to close some areas up. We
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  Speaker 1: bought some like seal foam to try to fill gaps,
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  Speaker 1: and set like six mouse traps. Went to bed, woke
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle and I heard more scurrying and
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  Speaker 1: chip chip chipping, and I'm getting so pissed and frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: I can't fall asleep because like every time I start
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  Speaker 1: to fall asleep, I hear these noises again, and so
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  Speaker 1: like two thirds in the morning, wake up again and
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  Speaker 1: I go check the traps he sprung. They sprung all
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  Speaker 1: the traps, but didn't catch a single one. So reset
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  Speaker 1: it woke up this morning, sprung all the traps, didn't
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  Speaker 1: catch him. So I don't know what to do. I
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  Speaker 1: can I can kill deer, I can kill turkeys, I
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  Speaker 1: apparently can't kill mice. So all right, here's here is this.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna think this is crazy, right, So my grandpa
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  Speaker 1: had an old camper that he you used, I would
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  Speaker 1: say twice a year, right, and then it would park
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  Speaker 1: behind a barn, and every year it had tons of
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  Speaker 1: mice in it before he would go to use it.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what he did. He cracked a window in
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  Speaker 1: the camper, then took a garden hose, taped it to
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  Speaker 1: the exhaust in his truck and let his truck run
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  Speaker 1: and basically poison everything out. You know, he would basically
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  Speaker 1: that's how he fumigated the It would flood the inside
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  Speaker 1: of the camper and it was a real small camper,
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  Speaker 1: and then um, all these mice would just run away,
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  Speaker 1: they'd leave, And that's how he got everything out of there,
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  Speaker 1: and if there's if there's babies in there, they probably
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  Speaker 1: would die, I guess, I um, but that's how he
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  Speaker 1: did it and it worked, so maybe that's something you
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  Speaker 1: should try. You And then he would drive with the
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  Speaker 1: windows open down the road and by the time he
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  Speaker 1: got to you know, the state or the fares that
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  Speaker 1: he was showing his horses at, they would you know,
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  Speaker 1: the smell of that exhaust would would not be completely gone,
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  Speaker 1: but still be you know, not as bad as if
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  Speaker 1: you were I don't know in there, you know. Yeah, interesting,
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  Speaker 1: Well it's something to consider. Who knows if if this
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  Speaker 1: next if this next round tonight, Well we moved camp,
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  Speaker 1: we're leaving. We're leaving Jackson Hole today, heading to Montana.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that they have not nested and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: they're not living in the camp or now. Hopefully they
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  Speaker 1: were just like coming in overnight. So hopefully we left
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  Speaker 1: this group of mice that figured it out and I
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  Speaker 1: can try to continue to fill these gaps, but if not,
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  Speaker 1: we might need to take extreme measures. And I'll run
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  Speaker 1: the fumigation technique past my wife, see what she thinks. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth a try, man, anything anything at this point,
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  Speaker 1: I need a good sleep. I can't. Man, I wake
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle and see him running across the
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  Speaker 1: couch in front of us, or I saw it was
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  Speaker 1: just I'll tell you right now, my wife would not
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  Speaker 1: even be in that camper um. She'd be sleeping into
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  Speaker 1: hotel until the problem is fixed. Surprisingly, I'm more bothered
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  Speaker 1: by it than my wife. She's like, just sleep. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't sleep when these stupid things are running all
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  Speaker 1: over the place. But yeah, so you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: just been. It's just been one of those things, one
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  Speaker 1: thing after another. So we'll see. Hopefully Montana treats as well.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, well this some bear hunting, some turkey huntings,
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  Speaker 1: some shed hunting, some mushroom hunting, and hopefully no mice.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my story. And I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: is bugs or if you find an o sage orange
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  Speaker 1: tree that has the big balls on him. You know
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  Speaker 1: I heard that if you put those repel. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's bugs or mice, but those might help.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they have those types of trees out here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen them around here. But
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  Speaker 1: one thing we did try is peppermine oil. I guess
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  Speaker 1: concentrate peppermine oil is supposed to keep him out, but
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  Speaker 1: apparently it doesn't work because it didn't help us last night.
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  Speaker 1: But either way, we do need to we gotta wrap
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  Speaker 1: this one because we have got to give Jessica and out.
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  Speaker 1: It's a call. So let's take a quick break for
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  Speaker 1: our sickest story and then we'll get them on the line.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So, as I mentioned, we've got a great
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  Speaker 1: sick of story today from my good friend and fellow
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  Speaker 1: Michigan hunter, Josh Hilliard, and today he's are calling one
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  Speaker 1: of our favorite shared turkey hunts. We were walking out
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  Speaker 1: to where we're gonna get set up for the day
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  Speaker 1: and coming around the corner, I'm going ahead and walk
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  Speaker 1: scrap the edge of this food plot and sit in
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  Speaker 1: this blind that we had set up. And I believe
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  Speaker 1: you just did a little a little cost so we
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  Speaker 1: can sequence before we walked in there and make sure
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing roosted right there. Nothing usually does roost there,
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  Speaker 1: but along the whole that day, there's a there's a
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  Speaker 1: time right on the edge of that, on the edge
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  Speaker 1: of that food plot, and so we just dropped all
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  Speaker 1: three of us just dropped right to the ground and
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  Speaker 1: just stayed there. I don't know, We're maybe twenty minutes
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  Speaker 1: before daylight. So we just hunkered down there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And because he got right yeah, he gobbled right there
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  Speaker 1: in front of us yet and uh, man, he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have been all no more than forty yards away from
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  Speaker 1: us at that point, and uh we were just behind
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  Speaker 1: some tall grass. So he finally comes down out of
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  Speaker 1: the roost and and he was just hammering away at us.
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  Speaker 1: You kept calling calling. He he came on a string
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  Speaker 1: right to us, and and we're all laying there, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he had to be in fifteen yards away
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  Speaker 1: if that, if that. And I remember I looked at
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  Speaker 1: you and I said, are you ready? You were like,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Am I ready? Like? Shoot shoot him?
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  Speaker 1: I pop up, I pop up, and I shoot him
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  Speaker 1: and I hit him, and he started kind of running
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  Speaker 1: off slowly. I could tell it hit him. So I
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  Speaker 1: just stood up and and ran a couple more spot
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  Speaker 1: steps and took another shot and dropped him right there
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  Speaker 1: on the edge of the food plot. But man, that
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  Speaker 1: was a it was a wild, a wild morning. It
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  Speaker 1: all happened really quick, and we had a bird within
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  Speaker 1: the first five minutes of daylight, and and I was
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  Speaker 1: all tegged out, yeah, and I will forever, I will
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  Speaker 1: forever laugh when I think of the phrase are you ready? Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready? What about you shoot him? This was a
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  Speaker 1: sick oft story and on this hunt, Josh was wearing
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  Speaker 1: the Sick Ascent pants and jacket and a Stratus jacket
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  Speaker 1: as well. If you'd like to learn more about sick
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  Speaker 1: of Gear, you can visit sia gear dot com. And
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  Speaker 1: now let's get back to the show and give Jessica
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  Speaker 1: and Alex a call. Alright with us Now on the
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  Speaker 1: line is Jessica Di Lorenzo and Alex Templeton. Welcome to show, guys. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: g thank for having Yeah. Absolutely, And I have to
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  Speaker 1: apologize right out the gate because Jessica, you've been on
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  Speaker 1: as a Sick Story interview a couple different times and
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  Speaker 1: I have been mispronouncing your name all these different times
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  Speaker 1: until today. So thank you for correcting me. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry for doing that in the past. No problem, okay, So,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess before before we go too far in
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  Speaker 1: this conversation for those who aren't familiar with the two
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  Speaker 1: of you, and I think a lot of people probably are, UM,
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  Speaker 1: but I'd love to hear a little bit more about yourselves.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what you're doing today, who you are. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Jessica, could you kick us off with a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about yourself? Sure? UM. I live in Pennsylvania, avid
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  Speaker 1: bow hunter. UM, I'm a full time photographer. I do
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  Speaker 1: lots of photography and the outdoors for hunting and fishing,
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  Speaker 1: UM and lifestyle brands things like that. UM big into
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  Speaker 1: white tails here in Pennsylvania. And it's the last year
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  Speaker 1: or two I've been getting my hands wet with some
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  Speaker 1: big game out west and whenever I have time, just
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  Speaker 1: kicking him off with five fishing. So you're enjoying outdoors
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  Speaker 1: and do my thing? Awesome? And what about you? Elx uh. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I live in northern Missouri and I'm a farmer and
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  Speaker 1: rancher UM on my family's farm here. And I've been
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  Speaker 1: hunting for as long as I can remember, and bow
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  Speaker 1: hunting since I was eighteen I guess I'm twenty four now,
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  Speaker 1: so for a few years and just been like I said,
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  Speaker 1: hunting all my life. And I've been really getting into
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting pretty seriously these past few years. And I've
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  Speaker 1: been fortunate to hunt, you know, several places all over
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  Speaker 1: the states, but bow hunting white tails here in Missouri
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  Speaker 1: is my favorite thing. I'd say that's my number one passion.
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  Speaker 1: It's what keeps me busy, so I love it. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the both of you fit in very well with the
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  Speaker 1: two of us because we two are nuts about white tails,
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  Speaker 1: so we're definitely gonna talk about that. So but different
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  Speaker 1: than white tails. I actually saw recently on both of
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  Speaker 1: your Instagram accounts that you have both been on some
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  Speaker 1: successful turkey hunts. Alex, can you tell us about that.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like you were out with her with um,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: maybe a friend or maybe it was that your boyfriend possibly, Yeah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that was my boyfriend. Name is Rye. That was actually
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: his first turkey hunt, his first turkey or he's from Canada,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: so when he like has no idea anything about turkeys,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm like a turkey fanatic, so like tells me,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like purky crazy and yeah, and I ended up
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: getting in one and he shot it with his Boat's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: kind of funny. He's actually a guide what he does.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: He's a sheep hunter by trade, and yl deer and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: black bears and things like that. So I brought him
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: down here to the Midwest and got some turkey hunting
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: in him, and he loved it. So I guided as
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: a guide. It's pretty fun. How did the hunt go down? Oh? Well,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: we actually hunted the same group of birds I'd been
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: hunting him before he got here, and how I was
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: having a heck of a time with them. I was
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: having a hard time to get him to commit to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: my decoys, and they were responding in the calle really well.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: So I'll be honest, we got lucky and they came.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: We were at the right place at the right time,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and they came through, and one came in and tried
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to beat up our Jake and I made a good
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: shot on it. It was awesome. I'm glad it worked
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: out the way it did. Heck yeah, I'd rather, as
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I say, I'd rather be lucky than good any day.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. For sure. Of course, I claimed that
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it was all of my excellent calling and my strategy
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that made us get the turkey, But of course I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's true. What about you, jess Um.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I headed out to Nebraska with my buddy j Clepondras,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and we were um meeting up with Prairie Rock Outfitters.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So we were out kind of like in the hill
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that I think they're called the Wildcat Hills in Nebraska,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and we were going after my first Miriam's birds. So
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it was like a really neat combination of like spotting
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: stock big game style out on the hills and then
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: we find the birds and and get on on them
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and set up a blind and just do your classic
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: turkey hunt from there. But um, it was super exciting
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and we had ton of action and actually I missed
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: my first shot too, uh so that was like super disappointing,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: but I made it. I made it back and we
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: ended up getting a really nice um Miriam's bird down
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: with my bow, my my veil, So that was like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the first kale that I had with my new actor
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: data veil. So I'm super pumped about it. And so
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: we just spent the rest of the time kind of
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like scattering the area out with the outfitter and we
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: got to you stock some big horn sheep for photography,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: so that was really exciting. It was just overall pretty
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: adventurous turkey hunt, not like turkey hunting in Pennsylvania, that's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, the pictures looked amazing, just the terrain
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: out there. Um, I was. I was pretty jealous of that. Yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it was a strenuous There was a couple of moments
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: where the guys are ahead of me and I let
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: them off first because there was rattlesnakes everywhere. So I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was like, well, you guys can find the rattlesnakes and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: warned me if you're ahead of me. So I spent
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: them first, and uh, going up some of these hills
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and these like sandstony cliffs that were crumbling, I was
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit intimidated, but we got it done and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: nobody plummeted to their death, so I think it was
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a success. Let's say so, no rattlesnake place, No, no
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: falling off cliffs and dead turkey. That's a that's a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: pretty good trip around. Yeah, that's awesome. I'm actually we
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: were talking about a little bit ago. I'll be going
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on my first hunt for Miriam's bird in Montana here
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: in the next week and a half or so, so
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm I'll be chasing turkeys and cliffy bad lands this
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: country with rattlesnakes too, So we'll see if I can
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: get as lucky as you did. Let's see. Yeah, thank you. So,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: so what about white tails? Then, um, Alex, you you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: killed the prettyness eight point of this past year, is
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? I did here in my home state
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: of Missouri. How did that go? How? How was the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: season in general? Well, the season actually kind of slow.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We didn't really have the weather that Actually Jess and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I were actually hunting together in Illinois. When was that, Jess,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: like the end of October. Yeah, that was right before Halloween,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, we were there right before Halloween and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the weather was hot and we just weren't seeing very
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: much movement. So I came home to Missouri and then
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: kept hunting every day and I was hunting on one
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of my favorite farms and this buck came out and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I thought it was your lucky day, but I let
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: him have it. It ran about sixty yards and piled up,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and that was my first kill with my occupative ail too.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So hopefully the first of many. Well yeah, hopefully it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: not going so well. Yeah, but I just saw a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: few days ago you posted a little video. I think
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you're out turkey hunting from a blind and you were
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: watching a deer, a buck that you didn't have his
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: antlers that had shed and you were you captations are mentioned.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: This is a buck that you've been chasing all last year,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: but you hadn't been able to connect with him. Um,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: can you tell us about that buck? And you're struggle?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: That was like the craziest thing I have lost sleep
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: over this year. I mean, it's just one of those
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: things that like, I just I can't a games um
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: so act. I actually nicknamed him Big Nasty because he's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: got like a broken front leg or something. I have
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: no idea what happened to him. He showed up on
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: my trail cameras, like I think last June. I think
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: is when I or July, I can't quite remember. But
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: he's not going to break any records with his racks eyes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He's just a mass, you know, a nine pointer with
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: some pretty good mass. But he's got this disgusting front
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: front legs because where he gets the nicknamed big Nasty
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: because it's nasty. So I was like, I really want
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to kill the period because he's you know, solid rat too.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But just the fact that I feel like he should
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: be in pain and be miserable. I don't know, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: apparently this deer is just all over the place, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so I parted him all last year. I actually had
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of encounters with him. I was hunting over
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a decoy end of October, right after Jess and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: got home from Illinois, and he came in and he
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was like, I think forty yard broadside, which you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: it's a shot that I am comfortable with. But I thought, Okay,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he's gonna posture up to my decoy and I'm gonna
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: get a twenty yard broadside shot. So I waited, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: there was absolutely no posturing up to the decoy. He
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: went zero to sixty and attacks the thing and ran away. Yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I now it was I should
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I could have would a thing. I think maybe I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: should have tried him, but you know, he could have
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: just as easily postured up to it in front of it,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and I could have smoked him, hopefully, But that didn't happen.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And I had a couple other encounters with him where
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: he just never came close enough. So I looked for
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: his sheds all spring. I hadn't gotten really any trail
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: camera pictures of him or anything since he dropped his horns,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: but I you know, I was looking for him I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: wanted to find his match set. So then lo and behold,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my turkey blind and I see a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: deer and I'm like, oh, oh my gosh, that's big
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: nasty there is. And he walk ended up coming up
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: like twenty yards away and like stomped at the decoys,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and I feel like he knew that I was in there,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and he knew exactly what he was doing, you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And he had little nubs on his head. So I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: don't know what his racks gonna do this year with
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that messed up leg, but I'm excited to see. Yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that's awesome to know that he at least made it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: this far, um, I know. And it's actually on the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: side of the farm where I you know, I run
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: cameras kind of all over this particular farm, and I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: had never seen him over there, so like I, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: didn't really expect to be seeing him around there, you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to see him at all. So it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of meat. So it makes me
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: makes me pumped up and ready to get out there
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and playing some food pots and get rolling for next fall. Heck. Yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: so so I've got a buck that I've been hunting
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the past few years that kept me awake all night
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a lot. And you know, coming into this year, there's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: all sorts of things that I learned last season in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the year before that I'm trying to analyze now and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: now trying to have some changes to my strategy for
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. Is there anything that you learned from
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: hunting Big Nasty last year, Elex, that's gonna you know
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna change or week for this coming season
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: when you chase him. Yeah, a few things were like
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I I started to realize that he was entering and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: exiting one of my food plots from a completely different
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: location than what I was expecting. So I know, I'm
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: going to switch up some stand locations, which it could be,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you know, completely different this year. But I plan on
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: trying to do some scouting and run a lot of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: cameras and really trying to figure out exactly where he's at,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, trying to figure out exactly how I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: can pinpoint where he's at and where he's going to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: be coming in and try to get on him early
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: is my plan. So but at these year said's been done,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and then of course we're in the rat Champs.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: That's going to be every man for himself out there.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll just be in the right place at the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: right time, is what I'm hoping. Yeah, last year, was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: he just a rut buck, Like did you see him
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in the early season or was he the whole fall
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: or what? I had pictures of him last summer when
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: he started coming into one of my cameras and uh
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I saw that, you know, he had the broken leg
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: then and I'm not even sure if it's actually broken,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it's just swollen and disgusting. So, uh, yeah, he started
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: coming into one of my cameras and then I never
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: saw it in person until the end of October, So
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: right about when the pre ruts starting to come in,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you know, end of October, beginning of November is when
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I started seeing him in person, when he started showing
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: himself during daylight hours. So I'll definitely be keeping that
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in money and you know, trying to hunt him smart
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and trying to outsmart him. But if he's so far,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: he's winning. Yeah, they tend to do so more often
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, it makes it fun though, I've I've
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I was really hoping I was going to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: match up this shed this year. I'm a terrible shed hunter,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: so that's not too surprising that I didn't find him.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. So what about you, Jess?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: How'd your how'd your white till year go? Last year
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: was a lot of the themes Alexa. The weather was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so warm, and we had scheduled some hunts, like for
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the peak rut dates that we all anticipated, and then
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it was like summer until December, so slow on the movement.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And the most exciting moment I think white tail owning
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: last year was actually the same hunt with Alex and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I was sitting one night in a totally separate location
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and like this we had. We were watching, um, a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: pretty nice like one thirty one eight point bedded down
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: on a bank of like a stream, and um, this
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: was a little bit later in the hunt, so I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: pretty much anticipated on trying to shoot that book if
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: he graced me with his presence. But he didn't lay
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: there the whole time and didn't really respond to any
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: kind of calls or anything. Um, and then it's getting
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: late in the evening and now at the corner of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: my eye, I just see this black, massive blobs start
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: coming out of of of a stone row, and I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: look up and I look at the my caravan and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: we both just our mouths dropped. It was like a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: one sixty one seventy year and he's just like thumping
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: across the field and he's heading straight for a reb line,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and we put out a grunt and he turned his
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: head and it was just like that feeling where the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like that broadside rat comes front side, like like my
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: heart sank. I was like, holy crap. So he started
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: coming towards me after that grunt, and at that point
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap. If he crosses this little ditch,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it's on. And my stand was placed like right in
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: an opening between two fields, so I was anticipating him
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: walking right through there to look for that that buck
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that was grunting, and he kind of made a few
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: more looks, his tails flicking, and he didn't see anything.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Had I had a decoy there, I think it might
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: have ended differently, but he looked a little longer and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then he just high tailed it right back for his
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: reb line and we didn't see him again. But that
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: was like the most heart stopping moment of my whole season. Um,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I had a couple more encounters with some smaller bucks
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: at home, but no shots, and I wasn't following any
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: particular deer last year at home. It's just like, nothing
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: spectacular happening. It's a dry spell last year or two.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: As far as the box. It's been successful with getting
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: does and things, but there's been no trophy whitetail hunting
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania on any of my properties anytime in the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in the recent future. Yeah. Yeah, It's funny. Every week
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I spend most of every day either like writing about
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: white tails or talking about them on the podcast or
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: doing something related to them. And still I don't know
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: about you, Dan, but like just hearing Alex and Jessica
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: tell these stories like it even got me like fired
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: up even more, like I'm all right, I'm ready to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: get back out there, sit over the decoy like I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: pumped right when Alex starts talking about oh, I gotta
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: make sure I switched to stay in location on this
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: uh this year, because the wind's gonna change, you know.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I get to thinking and stop paying attention to you guys,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: which is bad, and I'm thinking in my head, okay,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if the wins out of here I need I might
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: need to move my stand as well, so you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it's always calculating that next move. Yeah, always something like
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: there's always something else that you're thinking about, wanting to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: do different or wanting to try. Like it never ends. Yeah, never,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And I guess that's why we love it so much.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So so that's awesome and I'm I'm already stoked, like
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: we just said, but I want to talk about another
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: element of of kind of your guys experience is not
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: just actually out there chasing animals. But one of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: things I want to discuss with you was your unique
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: perspective as female hunters. Um. So, I guess I'm kind
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of curious to first kind of hear about how you
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: both got into hunting, and you know, was there any unique,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: any unique elements to that being a female, or any
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: challenges or anything that we're notable Um, Jessica, I don't
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: know if you want to kick that off. Sure, Um
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I got I hunted a little bit with my dad
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: when I was younger, but it wasn't something that was
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like seriously passionate about. Um. I was involved with other
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: things as like a teenager that kept me busy. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: then once I like as an adult graduate early to
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: college and moved I'll have a pretty decent sized piece
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: of property and just started getting more into the outdoors
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and they just sort of evolved from there. And then
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the last few years it's just been like crazy overload
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: hunting every single day, whether I'm actually hunting or planning
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: for hunting, preparing for hunting. So it just was like
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a natural progression for me once I was a little
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: bit older. Um. And so since I got into the hunting,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the archery kind of evolved from there too. Um. I've
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: basically I basically only archery hunt now. I hardly ever
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: take out a gun unless it's for turkey once in
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a while. UM. So that is like my background hunting.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: It's not like a very like I grew up hunting
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: every single day. Story, I kind of taught myself. I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: had a mentor um as well who really helped me
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: out as far as the white tail hunting. And then
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: my buddy that I grew up with high school, he
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: got me my first turkey, so we've we hunt together
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: all the time and I learned a lot from him
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: as well. And then just a lot of people that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I've met through UM, social networking and things like that.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Like I've learned a lot from the girls I hunt
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: with and through people that I've met working with Sickle
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and some projects. So it's like everybody that me I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: kind of take something from and I feel like it
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: really enriches, like my knowledge based for hunting. So it's like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I'm still in my mind, I'm still a beginner hunter.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly learning, and I feel like I'm not past
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that newbie stage yet. Just everything is so exciting and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: so new all the time. Yeah, that's a fun place
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to be. It's Uh, I think that constant desire to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: learn though that never goes away. UM. I certainly still
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: feel the same way myself. What about you else? You
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: mentioned that think you said that you've been hunting your
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: whole life, But what was that kind of like, Um
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, I've been hunting for as long as
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I can remember. It's been a huge part of my
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: life since I was a little girl. My dad and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: on my mom and my dad's side of the family,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: everybody hunts, all the guys do anyway, And um, I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was pretty much raised as the son my dad never had. Uh.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Grew up with three other sisters, and I was like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the definition of a tomboy. So you know my end,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't really start getting a little bit girlier till
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I was about thirteen or fourteen, So I mean I
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: was all about everything to do with outdoors and getting
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: dirty and muddy and when my whole childhood, and you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: those are some of my favorite memories are hunting with
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: my dad, and you know, he was his attitude about
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it was great. He there was never any laps in, oh,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: well this is a guy's trip. Well this is the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: guys hanging out. You know, you can't there was never
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: any of that. And I was always right there in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the action, watching him skin deer, watching them talk about hunting,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and listening to the stories from my grandpa and you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: my uncle's and it's just been a huge part of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: my life for as long as I can remember, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: now it's virtually what my life revolves around. And my
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: dad and I still like to hunt a lot together,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's were really really close. That's who
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I work with every day, and I'd say he's probably
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: my best friend and we we have a great time together.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, he was he was great getting me
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: into it and teaching me everything I know, and now
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I teach him things and it's it's great, that's very cool.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I got a real quick question, you know, you for
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: for Jessica. I have a daughter of my own, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: for some reason, subconsciously, I find myself, you know, if
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: my sun falls down and scrapes his knee, it's hey,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: get up, you know. And then if my daughter falls
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: down and scrapes her knee, I'm like, oh, baby, are
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you okay? You know a little bit of a of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a software. And I do that subconsciously. I don't. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: don't know why. But did your dad ever, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: while you were growing up, was your dad ever the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: hey get you know, deal with it, be tough, let's go.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Or was was there a little softer side, um you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: like when you started gutting the deer, or or was
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it level ground the entire time? Or whoever, whoever has
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: been hunting their entire life, Alex just Alexy my bad.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Um No, that's a good question though, and I think
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: there was a healthy balance of both. I think. Um.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit I am not tough
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: at all, Like I have no tolerance for pain. I'm
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like a huge whim, you know. So I think there
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: was a healthy balance of you know, my dad didn't
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: necessarily cut me any break because I was a girl.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And it's still like that today. You know, I have
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a a pretty physically demanding job and a pretty you
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: know job where I I don't really know how to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: say it, but you know, you can get hurt kind
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: of doing what I do, working with livestock, you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: with cows and you know, bulls and things like that,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you can you can get hurt. And there's never really
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: been any time or my dad's been like, let me
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: do that because you're a girl, if that makes sense.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it's always been he looks at I'm his equal,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I guess, and uh, you know, don't get me wrong,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: there's been times where I've been hurt pretty bad and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he's babied me a little bit, you know, but he's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: he's pretty good about, you know, telling me when I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: need the cowboy up and telling me no, it's okay
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to be upset. And you know, I've kind of think
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: there's a fine line to ride because you know, if
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you're too harsh, my feelings get hurt, you know, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: but if you're too soft, you know then I probably
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the person I am today. So I think
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: there's a there's a healthy balance, and you kind of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: just have to find the right line to stay on.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's he looks at me as his equal,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: though you know it's I'm not as strong as him
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm not as tough as him, but you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I still work. I still work hard for him. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a saying that we say when we're
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: working together that don't take anything personal that we say
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to each other when we're working cows, because some pretty
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: some pretty rude comments kind of out of each other's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: now working cow. So it's like anything you say when
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you're working cows doesn't count. You can't bring it up later.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: But oh yeah, that's yeah, So that's that. We're talking
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to your daughter though, you know, I think if it's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a healthy line of you know, when she's needs to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: suck it up, tell her to suck it up when
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: she needs to, you need to hold her and love her,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: hold her and love her. You know she needs that too,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: or just as much as the other. I agree. I mean, Dan,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I have a daughter too. She just turned six, and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I am in the same predicament even as a mother.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: She falls down sometimes and it's like it takes my
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: breath away and I run over and I freak out
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: in a panic. And other times she's like she's crying
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, come on, suck it up, tough up.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: We were out fishing the other day and she scraped
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: her hand and I told her to blow her snot
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on the ground and get moved in and looked to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: me like what I was like, Yeah, that's right, we're
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: outside up. And so the same thing to Alex said,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's just a healthy mix of of both attitudes.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Is a a good combination to raise them with. Yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. And I feel like
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: today more than maybe in the past. And maybe it's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: just because you know, I'm paying we're paying attention to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it now, but I feel there's a lot of kind
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of buzz about it. More and more females seem to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: be becoming interested in getting into hunting, and both me
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and Daniel Dan with his wife, myself and my wife
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Dan with his daughter. Um. You know, I think we're
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: all interested in how to introduce um our significant others
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: or or whoever it might be in our lives to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the hunting world and getting into this kind of stuff.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And you both have kind of different stories of how
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you got into hunting, UM, but with the common piece
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: being you were both females. I'm curious to hear. Is
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: there anything that you've learned, UM from your experience getting
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to hunting and with those mentors, whether your dad or
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: your friend that taught you or got you into it. Maybe, Jessica,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: if you want to take this first, given the fact
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that you were a little more of of a late
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: onset hunter. UM, is there anything that you've learned that
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you could suggest to us and to others out there
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: who want to introduce females to hunting UM, as far
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: as how to do that, UM or anything there? Sure, UM,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I would say, just to be really encouraging, be excited
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: about it for them. Don't make them feel intimidated by
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: any means. Uh, don't make it. Don't make the women
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: or the girls feel like because they haven't experienced that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: they're not going to understand it. UM. There has been
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a couple of times or conversations that I've had with
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: people even now where if I'm talking about my hunting experiences, UH,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they kind of like, well, that's you. You haven't had
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: enough experience, or you don't understand or or you can't
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: possibly be any good at hunting because you don't have
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years under your belt of hunting. UM. And
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I think that that's the wrong attitude to take. UM,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: especially for people who are women, you're just getting into it.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: They need to feel welcomed. They need to feel like
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you're willing to share with them your knowledge or tips. Um.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I just to be encouraging, and I think is the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: best the best attitude to take with it. Yeah, what
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: do you think els from the perspective of you being
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: a you know, starting this process at a younger age.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Anything you would you suggest? Yeah, outll. I mean I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: can completely agree with everything just said. You know, I
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: think I think it's important to create a welcoming environment,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: UM for someone who's just getting into hunting, whether that
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of the not making them feel stupid
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: for asking questions. I know it is a big thing
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: because kind of, like Jeff said, I still consider myself
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to be a beginning hunter, always wanting to grow and learn,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, asking questions is good and it can
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: be frustrating I know, hunting with someone who's never done
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it or never you know, tried it. I know that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it can be you know, when you're wanting to get
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: in there and get going, it can be kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: take you back a little bit. But you know, creating
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: an environment where it's okay to ask questions and you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I think starting out the right way. Uh. You know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: For example, I wanted to take my niece turkey hunting
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: last spring, and um, something like it was gonna be
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: super cold, opening more in of youth season, and she
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: we went and she froze and she was miserable. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: she was six at the time, and she was worried
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: about going this year because she was scared of being
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: too cold, Which that's a little you know, it's different
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: taking an adult as compared to taking a child. But
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe the first few times you go, maybe
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: not take them in the most extreme conditions possible, you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: because that can kind of hinder maybe someone wanting to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: go again. I know it wouldn't mean too because like
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm not I'm a whim So if I
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: had never done something like that and went out on
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a miserable day, I probably wouldn't like it as much
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: as I do now because it's you know, it's hard.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It could be hard to see the bigger picture, you know.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: But like just like just said, you know, just because
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: someone is just getting into it doesn't mean that they
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: can't love it just as much as you. You know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: So if you make it just a fun experience as
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: much as you can, then you know, the more people
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that you can get into love hunting better. So I
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: think it's it's great looking to take your wife or
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: your girlfriend or your kids. You know that. It's amazing
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: how many people, how many women that I talked to
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you that say, oh, yeah, I wanted to spend time
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: with my boyfriend, so I started going, and now I'm
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: going on my own, you know. Now you know, I'm
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: teaching myself things and I'm teaching him things that I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: think that's great, you know, because I think women naturally
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: make great hunters and great you know, just because our
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: attendant willingness to learn and tendency to be more patient,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you know, with things. So I think I think that's great.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite when wives tell me that they started
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: going with their husbands and now they leave him at
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: home and go on their own that's just the coolest things. Alright,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: real quick, before moving on, we're gonna pause briefly for
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: word from partners at white Tail Properties. Here's our producer,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Spencer Newharth. This week with white Tail Properties. We are
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: joined by Dave Skinner, a land specialist out of southern Kentucky,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and Dave is going to be telling us about what
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to look for when trying to make a property more affordable.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: There are several things, um, you know, one of the
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: big ones, I'm going to look for something that uh,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: that's not producing income. If I'm looking to get the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: per acre price down. Um, you know, I'm gonna avoid
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: things like tillable uh, tillable ground because that drives a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: price up. Anytime something produces an income is gonna drive
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the price up. Also, marketable timber, you've got to pay
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: for that, you know. At the gone or the days
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that you can buy a piece of property to cut
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the timber off of and walk away with the land
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and some cash, it just doesn't happen anymore. Um. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you know in Kentucky, uh, we've got um areas that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: have been strip mined for coal, so that reclaimed cold
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: ground frequently can sell you know, literally half of what
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: similar acreage would sell for in the area. So reclaimed
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: ground is is a great way to get drowned down
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: around a thousand dollars and acre um. You know in
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the habitat on that stuff is phenomenal um. And like
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I said, it's quite quite a bit cheaper than other
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: stuff in the area. Also, you know, maybe someone has
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: severed the mental rights in the past. Um. Sometimes that
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: can get the price per acre down. UM. You know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: conservation these months, lack of road frontage, all those things
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: will drive the process of acreage down. So you know
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: that's you know, to save on the front end. That's
• 46:10
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• 46:20
  Speaker 1: skinner that's s k I N N E R. So
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this trend? Um? Some
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: surveys have shown that over the last five years or whatever,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: one of the largest groups of new hunters is women. UM.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about this horizon female participation?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Why do you think it's happening? Um? I guess Alex,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: if you want to start, UM, you know, I think
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it's great that more women, like I said, are wanting
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to get into it, getting the edge and understanding what
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: it's about. I know there's been a big movement for
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: more women wanting to hunt their own food, you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: which is which I think is cool. I don't per
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: really only eat wild game meat. You know, I raised
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: beef for a living, so I'm a big supporter of
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the beef industry. But you know, I think that's a
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: great movement that people are getting into and wanting to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: hunt their own food. I know, it's it's an incredible
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: feeling to hunt something clean it, got it right there,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and eat it that night. It's a it's an amazing feeling.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And I know women like that. It's kind of a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, kind of like a mothering, nurturing instinct
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: to provide for your family that was kind of unheard
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: of until now. You know, being able to put that
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: food on your table yourself is kind of an incredible thing.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think that because of social media
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and social networking, that other women are seeing other women
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: doing it and are seeing, oh, well, if Jess can
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: go out there and hunt, I can do it. You know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: if Alex can go out there and hunt. I can
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: do it. And you know, not only Jess and I,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: but anybody. You know, if you see anybody on social media,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of incredible women to look up to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: out there. And I think that other women are seeing
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: that it's okay for me to go out there. You know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it's becoming more socially acceptable. And you know, if you
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: can't find someone to go with you, you know, you
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: can make connections through Instagram or through Facebook and meet
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: people and find people to hunt with and share information with.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And I think that's been a huge part of it. Yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: that's a great point, that that's a It seems that
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: they'd be a huge tool. Um. Would you add anything, Jessica, Um,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with everything that Alex said as
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: far as um social media being a huge, UM catalyst
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: for for the the rise in women in the outdoors,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I mean and across the board is be not even hunting, um,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen it in fishing, hiking, and climbing, all sorts
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: of I mean, just about anything. It's on social media now,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: so more people have more eyes on things. UM. It
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: sparks interests all the time. UM. I think that for
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: me at least, I connect with a lot of women
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: who are just looking to challenge themselves. I feel that, um,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the idea of learning ton and and harvesting your own
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: food and the entire like the gamut of hunting, the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: whole idea, it's a it's a challenge, and that's one
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of the most exciting things to me to to learn
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: how to use my bow properly, to learn how to
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: use the tools properly, and when you finally have those
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: moments that are successful, the whole thing comes full circle.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And I think once women, um, when they see it
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: online or they hear stories of other women doing it,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: or they even get a little taste of it, it
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: just pulls them in. And I mean, let's face it,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: women just talk constantly to their friends. So I mean
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: as soon as I started loving it, I reached out
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to find other women or talk to other women into
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: doing it with me. So it's just like a trickle
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: down effect. And I think it's just exploding right now,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a great thing for the outdoors,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and I see the mentality changing a lot um. Where
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Like when I first started hunting, if I would ask
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: questions of people it was kind of like a secret society.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to share any tips or information. Is very
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: closed doors, like you don't share your hunting information, which
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: obviously we still keep a lot of our game plans
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to ourselves. But there's been more acceptance to sharing stories
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and experiences, whether it be on social media or just
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: in conversation in general. Like, I think more people are
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: just open talking about it. It's a little bit more mainstream.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: People aren't so much afraid of judgment, and I think
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that that plays with the women as well. It's not
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: as um, what's the word I'm trying to it's not
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: as much of like controversy now for a woman to
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: be a hunter, whereas maybe a several years ago they
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: might have been looked upon as kind of like aggressive
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: predator of some sorts. I think the mentality has changed
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a lot, and I think that it's good for for
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: women and the outdoors. And I mean, I'm excited for
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: my daughter. She's she's interested in it, and I can
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: just see her developing her passion for do any things
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: as far as hunting and fishing. So yeah, I mean,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. Jump in right there, real quick,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: like just really quick. Like, I think that just your
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: daughter is going to have like a really unique experience
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: like growing up in the outdoors, having like her mother
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: being so involved in it. Like, I think that's going
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: to be really neat for her looking back once she's
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: an adult, you know, looking back at she's having these
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: experiences with her mom and other you know, a strong
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: woman and you know, someone to look up to. So
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's great, and I think that's
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: going to be something really special for her. I hope
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: it goes that way. It's either going to go that
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: way or it's going to go to complete opposite and
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: she might either way. Dan, what does all this stuff
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: make you think with your daughter um in in in
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: your process as you're going to be bringing her into
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the hunting world possibly, I mean, where where's your head
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: out with all this? So for me right this, they
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: throw this term huntress around right which I'm not gonna
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: label you you guys as huntresses because just flipping through
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: your Instagram pages, you guys don't meet that criteria. But
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: social media, we we know, kind of has positives and negatives,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: you know, for everything, and this just isn't with women.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: This is for men too, where you have these group
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: of people who are doing it for potentially different reasons. Right,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't see you guys, you know, taking selfies in
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: a mirror with you know, with mountain k oops and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and you know doing all this you know, selfies and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, which when I see it, kind of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: dilutes what you guys are trying to do. So how
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: frustrating is it for you guys to I guess spread
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a positive message and at the same time it's not
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: necessarily competing, but weed yourself out from what is already
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: out there that is probably doly. Like if I was
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to talk to my daughter about this today, I would say,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be like that group of people. Um, yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah, go ahead. That was a long question.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I apologize. No, it's fine. Uh. I mean, I know
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Alex and I have had this conversation between ourselves and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: there is definitely a persona of that Alex and I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: do not wish to have. And well, I mean, well,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: everybody can enjoy the outdoors and use their social media
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: channels too whatever purpose they want. I mean, I guess
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: that's all fine. Um, it does make like what you said,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: it does kind of water down the like the honest
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: part of what we're trying to do. I mean, I'm
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: not trying to get every product under the Sun's sponsors
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: sponsor me and YadA YadA, YadA, like I am truly
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: loving the outdoors. I do run a photography business, so
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I mean I do try to promote myself as a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: qualified photographer. Um, but I do try to take a
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: step back from all that stuff, like I don't need
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: to be shooting my bow in the tiniest shirt that
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I own in the most um in the in the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: best pose possible. We'll just say it like that, use
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: your words wisely. Yeah. I'm also trying not to get
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: some backlash of of a particular group of people as well.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I mean that everyone's welcome to do whatever they want,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and if if that's how they hunt, great, That's not
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: how I hunt. Um. So I mean, I don't know.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I know Alex when I feel the same, But I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: also don't want to stir the pot in any way.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: What would you say? Um? Okay, So I just have
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: to say it. I hate the term countress like it
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I just I like the way it sounds when it
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: comes out of your mouth, it's just like I hate it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: And UM, quick story just about that. UM. I was
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: working one of the sit to boots at some show recently,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember which one it was, and a
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: man came in the booth and asked me if I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: was a hunt dress and I said, no, I'm just
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: a hunter, just the bow hunter, just like you. And
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: he said, well, you look like a hunt dress me
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: with your long blonde hair and pink fingernails. And I
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: was like, well, okay, but you know, I'm just just
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: a hunter, just like anybody else. And he refused to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: accept that, I guess, And it was really kind of
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: like the first time that I was just like, you know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: why don't you just keep walking away because I'm gonna
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: say something really rude. And it was just like I said,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I grew up where all the guys that I was
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: hunting with my dad and everything I was there equal.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it wasn't that I was just
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: a girl. They had to take hunting, you know, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I was hunting with them, they weren't taking me. I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: guess that kind of makes sense. And it's just to
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: me it's kind of a you know, there's there's so
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: many women out there that have done an incredible job of,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: you know, helping the idea of female hunters become more
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: socially accepted, you know, kind of like just said, with
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: less of a controversy, it's not a big deal that
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: women hunts anymore. And there's been a huge group of
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: women do an incredible job at that, and then, um,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, there's a pretty big group of women
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that just kind of knock it down, I guess, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: try to I don't know if I can. Can I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: say the word sexualize on your podcast? You can say
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: whatever you want, all right, Well, I kind of feel
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: like that's what they try to do, and it just
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: kind of makes all female hunters look bad, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: And like you said, this same kind of thing happens
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: with guys too. It's not just girls that do it
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons. And you know, you know, but
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: like just said, if that's how you want to hunt,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you know, you it's is if you're out there honestly
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: enjoying the great outdoors, then that's great and more power
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to you. I just hope that you know, if you're
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: doing it you're doing it honestly and because you love it,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and that's what's most important, you know, it's I know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: that just feels the same way that if Instagram was
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: gone tomorrow, I'm still going to be out playing food
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: plots and trying to kill a deer this fall, and
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: you know, and I think that that's something trying, trying, attempting.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah that, and yeah, go ahead jump in. I on
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the flip side of this point. Um, I mean, I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: do not like the term huntress. I don't think that
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: everything that I need to hunt needs to have pink
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: on it, that whole deal. Um. But I did have
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: a strange experience just past um Show season. I was
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: speaking with the girl I was explaining the new sick
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: of Women's and I said, yeah, there's no pink. We
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: don't need pink, we don't need all this fancy fairly
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: girl stuff. I'm like, this is a technical gear made
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: for hunting. And the woman I was talking to just
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like nodded her head and she was nice
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and plite, and then she contacted me post show to
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: have another conversation and she's like, you know, you can't
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: hurt my feelings a little bit, and I'm like, oh
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: my gosh, how did I hurt your feelings? Like I'm
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: so sorry, And she goes, Now, I hunt just the
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: same as you. I've been hunting my whole life. Um,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I probably have more experience hunting than you. And and
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: she she's explaining like her passion and her dry for it,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and she's like, and I feel like you pigeon honed
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: me into like this this uh huntress, like the girl
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: with the skin tight hunting gear with hot pink nails
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and the hair extensions and all the products all over
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and the boob hanging out. And she's like, just because
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I might like get home from work with my makeup
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: on and my nails painting and go hunting doesn't make
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: me a huntress. And so I kind of took a
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: little bit of step back um on this whole topic
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: and realized that, like, yeah, some women are more tomboys,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: some women are flashy. Some women are coming home from
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: work and trying to like set free themselves as quickly
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: as possible and still go out and enjoy hunting. So
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I like, I kind of feel like, as long as
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you're not crossing the boundary between like what Alice said,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: trying to sexualize it or trying to to turn into something.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: It's not like hunting and hunting. If you're a true hunter,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you can connect with another true hunter on it. If
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: you are in it just for the glory or to
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: sell something or to get the most tension. And it
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: goes for guys or girls. Are guys and girls Like,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of guys out there in the tightest T
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: shirt possible with their energy drings, like pulling their bows
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: back in their living room, like gotta get my work
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: out in it. It's the same thing, yeah, as out
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: of it that butter sandwich. It's not so much the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: word huntress or the color pink. It's just it's the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: truth behind it, like what are you really after? And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that's that is so transparent everybody can see through it. So,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I mean Alex and I we do our thing. We
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: know what we're doing as far as like, I don't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: know if we know what we're doing hunting, but we
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: know why we're hunting. Yeah, that's still to be determined
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: to elaborate on that question. Though. Let's say there's a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: young girl out there right now who's listening in in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: she's she's on social media or she's just a woman
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: who's listening with her husband right now on a on
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a car ride or whatever. What are some of those
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: things that you know, I think, you know, there's this
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: there's this fine line of of women trying to find
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: role models if they're completely new to hunting, and what
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: should what should women look for, you know, in looking
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: for those role models. So I think that when I'm
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: looking for for inspiration or strong women and or I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: don't know, I'm like not going for the most popular,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the most most like the most popular thing ever. I'm
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: looking for people who are putting in hard work, are
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: putting in the time, have facts and knowledge to back
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: up what they're saying. Um, not necessarily like putting up
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: a post or a blog every five minutes just to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: keep themselves relevant. So I would say to look for
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: people that are doing it because they love it, because
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: they're passionate about it, and look for information online or
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're talking with people, look for substance
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: in what they're saying. Don't just listen to uh like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the top layer, like look deeper. Yeah, I I completely
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: agree with everything just said. You know, A big, a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: big one for me is looking at how someone portrays themselves.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't really know how to say that,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: but just respects themselves. I think it's a big one
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: because there's you know, a lot of women out there
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: that I'm not saying they don't, but there's also some great,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: great role models out there of women that you know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: know a lot and have a lot of good information
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: that they're willing to share, but also aren't willing to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: take a tip from someone you know. And I think
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: that just finding someone that you relate to yourself. You know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: there could be a girl from Pennsylvania that's gonna relate
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to Jeff that you know, she's a great person to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: look up to in more aspects and you know than
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: just the fact that she lives in Pennsylvania. But uh,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like Jess said, there's so many
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: good resources out there other than just Instagram, am you know,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: other than just Facebook. You know, there's great magazines, and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: there's great online forums and you know, podcasts, blogs, you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: know things like that. There's join an organization, yes, yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: local chapters your like the Ducks Unlimited Banquets, Whitetail Unlimited Banquets,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: ugh d m A like Rocky Mountain Unders. Yes, Yes,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of great organizations you know that you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: can join and go to local banquets and things like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: that and meet people in your area. And I think
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: that's honestly probably one of the best things to do
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: because you're going to be connecting with people that live
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: close to you who hunt the same kind of critters
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: that you do, and you know, maybe the deer kind
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: of work the same in that area, and you can
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: discuss tactics and you know whatever, you can turkeyhood together.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Like I think that would you know, be a great
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: resource for someone is don't be afraid. Yeah, don't be
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: afraid to ask questions of people. I mean, I've I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: see it now. The mentality is changing. People are willing
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: to answer your questions for you. UM, talk to people
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: who hunt, asked the guys, hey, do you have a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: girlfriend that hunt? Do you have any friends that want
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: to hunt with me? Like, don't be afraid to just
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: put yourself out there. I mean, what's the worst that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: can happen? I say, no, yeah, yeah, and then you
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: just find someone cooler. Yeah. So, So speaking of this
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: whole kind of topic of like you know, finding role models,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and in these different expectations placed on female hunters and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: some of these different I don't know, perspectives and perceptions
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that we have. Um. Alex you you were recently featured
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: in a pretty cool short film by Matthews. UM that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: kind of spoke to us a little bit about female
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: hunters and exceeding expectations and stuff. Could you talk a
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: little bit about the message of that film and then
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: what it was like being part of that. Yeah, well
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: that was that was something that I hold very near
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: and dear to my heart. That was such a neat
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: project to be able to be a part of. When Derek,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: for Matthews, first reached out to me, you know, he
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: was like, would you want to maybe do this? I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: was like, yep, say no more. I'm in. I don't
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: even need to know what it is. I want to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: be a part of it. And you know, they they
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: interviewed myself and the other women that were involved with
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: it about, you know, what it was like growing up
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: as a female hunter, or what it was like getting
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: into hunting as a female. You know, we talked about
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about here.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: You know, just a few minutes ago and um, you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: they really wanted to push the fact that you know,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: there's women out there that are doing this and they're
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you know, killing it, crushing it. And you know, there's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of women out there that you know, this
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: is what their life revolves around, and it's you know,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: this is important to them and it's it's part of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: who they are. And I think that there was a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: if there is one way to show authenticity, that's what
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Matthews did. I think they hit the mail directly on
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the head, you know, because there's a lot of you know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: on social media that you know, people are like, oh, well,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: she's just out there taking the picture her boyfriend or
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: her husband or you know whatever. She's not doing that,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: you know whatever, And that's fine. You know, I have
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of help from my dad and from my boyfriend.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting. I'm not afraid to say that, you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not always out there hanging true stands by myself.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I gladly accept help. And that's that's what hunting is about.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: It's about doing it with the people you love and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: with about you know, having fun at it and doing
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it with people you care about. And you know, but
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: there's also something to be said for someone who's going
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to get out there and put in the nitty gritty
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: work and get something done, not because people are watching,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: but it's because that's just what she has to do.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: That's what needs to get done, and that's what's going
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: to happen. And I think that's Matthews hit the nails
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: directly on the head and knocked it out of the park.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It was such such an empowering message. And when I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: watched the first cut of the film pretty soon to
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: where they were gonna release it, you know, I was
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: just like moved by it. I was just like, oh
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: my gosh, like I gotta get out there, like next
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: season coming up, you know, I was like, I gotta
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: get back out there and started working on again. It
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: just motivated me, and you know, and it was it
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: was me seeing myself in that position. And I've never
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: really thought of myself as a role model, not necessarily
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: because I don't try to be one, you know, I do,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: but just because I'm just me. I'm nothing fancy, I'm
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: just me. And when that video came out, my niece,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: who is now seven years old, watches it every single day,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: like every single day today, still he watches it and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: that that to me was kind of when she watched it,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: she calls me aunt Peaches when she calls me or
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: watches it, and she said, Peaches, that was the coolest
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. I want to go hunt. And
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, it kind of struck
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: me in a different way, I guess, you know, because
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: then I was like, I felt like a role model
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: and I felt like someone important to her. And to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, someone as small town Midwest Missouri
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: as me could be that for someone else is kind
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: of a neat feeling. Yeah, that is pretty cool. And
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: I think and I think both of you, both you,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Jessica and Alex Um. You guys have platforms now, whether
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: it be social media or your work with different companies
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: as ambassadors. I think there are a lot of females,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: young females or whatever age that that probably looked to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: you now as examples Um and role models. What you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: kind of mentioned some of these things, Alex, but maybe
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: you can expand a bit and then, jess I want
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts too. But but what does that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: mean to you now? Or how what am I trying
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: to stay here? I guess, how does that change your
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: mindset or how you act or do things knowing that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: because you now have a platform and people look to you, Um,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: do you have this new responsibility? Yeah? I try to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: be pretty mind and full of it. Um. You know,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have like a strategy. I guess I don't.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I don't really know for like how I do things
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: on my social media. I'm kind of all over the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: place on their kind of but you know, I kind
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: of just post what I want and you know, it's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: just I'm just me on there, and you know, I'm
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: nothing fancy Halftime, I'm wearing the same peer jeans for
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: like six days in a row, and you know, I've
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: got cow poop on me and something else gross is
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: happening to me probably, But that's real life, you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: And that's something real that I deal with all the time,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: and I try to just be as as real as
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I can about it. And I love Instagram stories. That's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: like my favorite thing in the whole world is posting
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: all my Instagram story about what I'm doing. And most
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: of the time it's something to do with cows, because
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: that's like what I'm surrounded by all the time, and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you know it's just I just try to keep it
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: keep it real on there, and you know what I'm not.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I think a big thing is I try. I don't
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: try to be something I'm not. And you know this,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: what I've the past words I've just said in the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: last few seconds is more thoughts than I've put into
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: my Instagram that I have in a long time. Like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what I do on there, and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I just I just poked when I'm warrant, and I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: just try to be me and I mean whatever, I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: don't have a ton of followers, but you know it
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, and I just I'm just me. Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Just what are your thoughts on coming a role model
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: to females? Kind of along the same plane as Alex,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Like I don't sit in my living room and and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: dwell about being a role model. But I mean, when
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: you when you think about it, I'm sure there are
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: girls and young people and women who are looking at
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: my profile and hopefully they're getting inspired to learn to uh,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: to pursue the outdoors if that's something that they're interested in. Um,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: But the same same things Alex, I don't I don't
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: have any ambitions to portray something different, because as I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: like what I do, I like who I am, and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go out of my way to
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: change that. So, I mean, my Instagram page represents authentic
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: things that I do. Whether it's because I'm a photographer
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: or because I hunt, or because I'm a mom and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: a wife. Um, they are all real things that have happened.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: So when they get posted, I don't ever worry like, well,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: what if someone gets the wrong idea of me, because
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: that's that's whatever happened, whether it was for a job
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: or because I was hunting. Like, those are real photos.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: So I don't have any kind of reservations about my
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: social media presence because I'm not I'm not trying to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: obtain anything unrealistic. Yeah that makes sense. Damn, I got
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: a question for you. I want to flip this a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: little bit. Um. Yeah, you mean we're talking about you
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: have a platform too, and people probably look up to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: you as a hunter or a person or as other
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: different people out there. They only have nine fingers, you're
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: probably one of the most well known nine fingered people
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: out there. They might look up to you and you
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: might bitch, how do you how do you think about
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: this because I think it's this is an interesting topic
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: because I think all of us, in one way or another,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: there may or there may be people who look up
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: to us. Um. Maybe it's a kids, or maybe it's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: someone with a platform like you and the other hunters
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: look up to it. But how do you handle that responsibility?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think about there? Man? I tell you what,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I think the only way to truly be successful in
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: life in general is to be who you are because
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: the moment that you become fake, people will call you
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: out and you will lose your credibility. So I just
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I am one of the like I'm rough around the edges,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: you know me. Um, I say what I think and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I I'm just like like the ladies said, I'm just
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: being me. Man, I'm not trying to be something different
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to you know, I don't pull
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: this facade. That could be a hit song right now
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: you put that together, Jess, But you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: I'm dude, this industry has enough sellouts where you know,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: people see that, and once they see it, they may
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: still follow you, but not necessarily follow you, but they
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: don't absorb what you're really trying to say so at
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: that point your voice becomes lost in a sea of
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: other d bags. And after you know, after and you
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: get one, you get one chance at it, and after
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: that you're done. You're just like the rest of them.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: And you know, be genuine and be yourself. And and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a role model, per se.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to share my experiences with other people
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: who are really just like me, you know, from a
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: nine finger Chronicles standpoint. Dude, I work, I'm a father,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a husband. I work forty plus hours a week.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I work another however many hours a week during this podcast.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I grind, just like the rest of the people out there.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: And I want to, you know, there when when hunting
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: season comes, I want to make sure that all the blood, sweat,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and tears that I've put in turns to success, no
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: matter no matter if that's you know, hanging tree stands
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: in a hundred degree heat, or checking trail cameras several times,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. I I just wanna it all
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: comes down to passion. I want to express my passion
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: for the animals that I hunt and outdoors in general. Yeah,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: and I think there's a moral to the story here
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: with with everyone, it's the importance of authenticity, and I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: think it's just being you being authentic, UM. And I
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: think that you know whether you want to be a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: role model or not. If if you you anything that's
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: out there to the world, you inevitably become one. And
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I think being true to yourself will UM will allow
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: you to to do that in the best possible way.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: And I think that. I think there's a lot of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: people on this podcast right now they're doing this, so
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm humbled to be here chatting with the three of you,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: so I want to I want to shift. I want
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: to shift back a little bit to the two of you,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Jess and Alex, because you worked on a pretty cool
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: project here over the past couple of years that we've
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about on the podcast, and that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: has been UM your work with Sica, our great partner
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: who launched their women's line of gear. And I know
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: that both of you have been involved in that process,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: both some of the early stages, the design work and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: ideas there, as well as actually testing it. UM. I'd
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: love to hear about what that was like, and we've
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: heard just just a little bit from you and some
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: of our sick of stories in the past. But UM,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: for those that haven't heard, I'd still like to hear
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: your perspective on this. Maybe, Jess, can you kick us
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: off tell us a little bit about what that experience
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: is like for you. UM. Well, it started several years ago. UM.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Sica had invited myself and Alex and some other women
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: UM to the office where they just sat us down
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and we had several brainstorming sessions. They asked about our
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: experiences and our ones and our needs, UM what wasn't
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: being met as far as our CAMEO, and we overtime
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: came up with the system that you see say UM
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: and went through a lot of UM, Like I said,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: brainstorming sessions, a lot of testing UM, several several prototypes
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: UM UM. Alex and I and some other women UM
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: like Amanda Caldwell had all tested the white tail pieces
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: and the big game pieces before anybody even knew about
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: this line UM. And then to see it come come
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: through to be reality, it has been really amazing. I mean,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: some of the things that we talked about in that
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: room with that white board, we now are using the field,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: so UM, it's been real honor, and it's it's really
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: dissatisfied so many um things that we're missing for female hunting.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. What about you else? Yeah, I mean I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: feel like this is what my response has been every time.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: But everything that Jess just said pretty much, and you know,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: she she said it exactly right. You know, it was
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: it was a super fun process and it was something
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: that I was so proud to be involved with. And
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: you know, right off the bat, I was like, oh
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: my gosh, Alex, what have you done? Like you are
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: going to help sit kill with this? Like you must
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: have done something right, Like I was like super pumped.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: You know. That's that's how Jess and I met, you know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and we had a blast
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: out there and it was so much fun creating it
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of giving ideas and our
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: feedback and now seeing the line come up and you know,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: be such a hit. It's really rewarding to be a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: part of that, and it's really cool and it's it's
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: been neat. I've been fortunate enough to go to several
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: trade shows this year and stand in the sit kabooth
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: and talk to people about not just the women's line,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: but all sit Because lines. And it's been really neat
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: to see this when you tell a woman about Sitka's
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: new women's line, to see like the sense of relief,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I guess that she expresses like, oh, finally sick because
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: making a women's flight, you know, because Sitka is known
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: for having incredible gear, you know that really aids and hunting,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, and women are just like relieved almost
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: that there's finally going to be pants that's fit. Finally
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: we don't have to deal with the weird crotch that's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: on all men's pants and you know, up to teut literally,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: don't even get me started like it like it's it's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: been it's been really neat, and you know, and to
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: have even just the tiniest little involvement and that has
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: been awesome. And you know, it's allowed me to meet
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: people like Jeff and make other friends that you know,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I consider some of my best friends now. And it's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: it's been awesome. When you guys were in that room discussing,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, you guys were all voicing your
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: opinion about, you know, what a garment should have from
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: a woman's standpoint. Um with women, I feel having such
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a variety of body types compared to men. How what
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: was the discussion in that room, like on that specific topic. Well,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that's kind of funny because when you put Alex and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I next door another, I am very short and Alex
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: is a lot taller than I am, but we wear
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: relatively the same size. So when we were coming up
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: with UM. When I was discussing sizing with with SIKA,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, well that's great if that's what
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: the measurement is for a medium or small, but what
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: are you gonna do for all the sizes between small
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: and medium? And the guys kind of looked at me like,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: we didn't what do you mean? I mean they didn't
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: understand that between size A and size B is size
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: A through Z again, and uh. We we really put
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of time into discussing this with them because
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: we knew that if we didn't, if SIKA didn't put
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: out what women needed, they were going to get the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: biggest backlash. Like ever, like they I don't think they
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: anticipated how critical women were going to be. So we
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: let them in on that early and they did a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: really good job of planning for UM. Four ways stretched
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: in the garment. There's a lot of gusting and adjustments
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: in the garments that aren't available in the guy's line
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: because it's not needed. Um, there's zippers and new places
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: and elastic in different places. The bids have more adjustability,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: the jackets have different draw strings, and the guys so
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I mean there was it was aligned from the like yeah,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: completely redesigned, and like the sizing on all of the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: gear is like incredible. The fit of it is awesome,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and you know, wearing gear that actually fits is like
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: it's like change my whole life. It's it's awesome. And
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like just said, there is no small, medium
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: large when it comes to women's clothing, Like naturally, we
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: can't make it that not just once one size fits
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: all answer. And you know, once that kind of realize that,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, well this is just what we
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: have to do, and they did it and they crushed it.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't think they could get
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: any more flexible in the way they design. They designed
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: these clues to fit then they have. I mean, it's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: just it's pretty incredible. That's uh, that's something I would
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: have never known, that's for sure. When it comes all
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: that sizing stuff in too, and zippers and pockets. You
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: should have heard the conversation on where we're gonna put pockets.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was a whole another deal. Um, well,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: every girl brings different things with her to the field.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it did those guys, but I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: have a certain place I like to put if I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: have my cell phone or my range finder might not
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: necessarily go around my neck and a range finder pocket.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of like how I feel that day.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure that for me, I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: had ample pocket space in all of places KA place
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: pockets and I a lot of girls. Yeah, and you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: had to be careful because you couldn't put too many
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: pockets that you know, women already have a little bit
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: more bulk on their chest than a guys do a
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: guy dad, So you know you had to be careful
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: putting pockets over the chest area, you know, because then
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: I could you know, interrupt your draw cycle when you're
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: going your bow and you know, pocket placement over the hips,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: well hips, you know, women's hips are different. It was
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: just like it was got creative, yeah, and it's awesome.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Like the turnout was like like I put it on,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like, Yep, this is it. Let's go, Like,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. I think that you put pants on.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like we we had put prototype pants on and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: probably sat five hundred times in a row just to
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: make sure that when we put our hands in the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: pockets it felt good. Yep, so good. Good to go. Well, now,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: speaking of of the testing process, I think that this
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: was during the testing process. Maybe it was after. But Jessica,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: your your first prong horn hunt that you went on
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: with Amanda last year. Was that part of the testing
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: process or was that just a hunt together. I'd love
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: to hear about that hunt, because it sounds like that
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Um. It was a plan that Amanda
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and I had cooked up on our own, and it
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of coincided with the field testing for the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Women's Big Game pieces. When we did to hunt, the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: prototypes were available in the open country pattern, which obviously
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: now they are for the first year, only available in
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: the subalpine for Women's Big Game. So the photos that
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: you see of me, I am wearing the Women's Big
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Game pieces just in the open country pattern. Um, but
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: we got to test the pieces out on the prairies
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: of Montana, and obviously I was successful. It was an
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: incredible hunt. Um, mainly due to Amanda's know how I mean,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: she's an incredible hunter and I look up to her
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: so much. She's taught me so so much about this
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: hunting in general. She's a great person to be around
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: and she's one of my dearest friends now. And then
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: also coinciding with that, we also tested the Matthew's Avail
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: before it had debuted. So I I'm not gonna say
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine or percent sure, but I'm ninety percent sure.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I got the first harvest with the women's avail from Matthews,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: so that was pretty exciting. Who it's pretty sweet. So
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: you so this was a bow kill on Prong Horn.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: What was that like? Because I feel like that's one
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: of the toughest things to pull off. Was it a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: water hole hunt or spot and stalk or what? No,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: we stopped the whole time. We didn't sit over any water, um,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: which I knew I had a time that that was
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: the plan and that's what I wanted to do. Um.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: What I wasn't prepared for was how much more athletic
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Amanda is than I am. So she was she was
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: just going, going, going, and which was fantastic because I
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  Speaker 1: got a great experience. But um, there were some times
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  Speaker 1: where I just looked at her and said, I need
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  Speaker 1: to take a break for a second. Um, but we
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  Speaker 1: we had so much fun, and we were probably elbow
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: crawling across vast open spaces for the majority of the time.
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  Speaker 1: Um we as you know, you can't just like walk
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  Speaker 1: up to a pronghorn, so we would spot them and
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: just kind of make our way through drainages and tall grass,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: literally dragging ourselves on our stommit with like my bow
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: resting on the back of my back for hours. My
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: elbows were robbed by the end of this hunt. And uh,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: but it was so worth it, and we had so
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  Speaker 1: much fun. It was It's probably one of the most
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  Speaker 1: memorable hunting experiences I had ever been on. It was
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  Speaker 1: my first time hunting out west, my first time hunting
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: with Amanda, and uh, it was I mean it was spectacular. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it looked like at the photos were pretty pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And there there's actually two places you can hear about this.
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  Speaker 1: You guy, you just had the article published in Peterson's
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  Speaker 1: Bow Hunting. I saw about that hunt which is pretty
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: so that that article um speaks more to uh, the process,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: the gear that we used, the terrain. Um, it's more
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: of a technical article. And also in the Matthew's Annual
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: for this year, is um a different take on the story,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: more of the experience with Amanda and a little bit
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: more of girls right up? Um, But both are it's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: the same story, the same hunt. And you should read
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: them books because then you get books takes. Yeah. And
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: then there's also a blog post on matthews website. Is
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: that the same one that's in the and the annual? Yeah? Cool.
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  Speaker 1: I'll make sure to link to that if anyone wants
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: to check that out or see the photos and all
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: that good stuff. Um. And also speaking of that kind
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: of stuff links, I'll also be sharing that film that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: we were talking about that Alex was in two, so
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: look for that. UM. So we are coming up on
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: time and we need to wrap this up, so I
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  Speaker 1: guess before we do that, um, Dan, do you have
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  Speaker 1: any final thoughts or questions for Jess or Alex. Well,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I know it's it's very easy for you know, you know,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: for people to take it a route like what we
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: talked about earlier, and um, I honestly stay away from UM.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I stay away from social media for the most part.
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  Speaker 1: Other than what I'm doing on my end, I don't
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I don't find myself flipping through stuff. So but I
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: must say that I'm happy with what I see and
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to be showing my daughter your guys stuff.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: So uh, really, all I have to say final thoughts
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  Speaker 1: Alex for you on anything we've talked about here today
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: or anything you want to leave our listeners with. UM.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of something like deep and insightful,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: but I don't really know that I have anything other
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: than just like you know, if you're getting into hunting,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: welcome and you know, keep at it. It's not easy,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: but you know you can do it and it can
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: be done, and it's fun if you let it be
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: and you know it's this is a lot of fun.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: And thanks for having me, I guess, Jessica. UM. Definitely,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: if there's a spark of interest there, pursue it. UM,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: try hard, do yourself. Who cares what other people say?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Because I hear it every day. There's plenty of people
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: who want to disagree with you, who care, do what
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: you love, be honest, and uh, go get some women's
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: sick of gear. Speaking of don't let yourself up to sail.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Go out with the best gear and you'll have way
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: more fun there you go, Speaking of gears sort of.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: I do have one final question that I've forgot and
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Jessica. You are a professional
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: photographer and a lot of people these days are trying
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to take better photos of their outdoor activities, whether it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: be a shot with a deer they just killed or
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: something to do in the field. Do you have any
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: quick tips for listeners as far as taking better pictures? Um?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, respect the animal, clean up the animal. Um.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna pose with it, pose respectfully with it.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Have some ethics when you take the photography. Uh, definitely.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: You're gonna want to try and have the light in
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: front of you if at nighttime, bring a light. Uh, definitely.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Just my my biggest advice is just have respect with
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: the way you're doing it. If you are disrespectful, it's
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: going to come off that way, no matter how great damages.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Solid advice. Where can people go, Jessica if they want
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: to see what you're doing with your business or on
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: social media? Or anything like that. UM My business de
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Lorenzo Photography. You can go to de Lorenzo photo dot com. Um.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: My Instagram is just glow seven um, and I have
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook as well. Cool and Alex, what about you?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Um if anybody wants to follow me on Instagram, my
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: name is Alex Templeton Underscore and I also have a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Facebook as well. I don't really do quite as much
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: on there. I'm pretty active on Instagram. So come look
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: at some pictures of cows if you'd like. Very good.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you Jessica, Thank you. Alex. Has
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I think it's, um, it's
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: unique perspective that we need. Um, I don't. We don't
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: get an opportunity to speak to terrific female role models
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: and hunters like you enough. And I'm really glad that
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: we're able to to kind of share your perspectives. So
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for being here. Yeah, absolutely, and there
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you go. Another episode is in the books and a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: few quick updates. I wanted to give everyone who has
• 1:31:22
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• 1:31:25
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• 1:31:27
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• 1:31:30
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• 1:31:46
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