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Scream (2022) — Xenomania 61 · Xenomania

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  Jon: this week on Xenomania.
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  Join us as we travel to Woodsboro, where we catch up with our old friend
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  Ghost face and his newest round of victims, and find out how we feel about
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  a satire becoming the thing that it satirizes and how much we enjoyed some
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  of the performances in Scream five.
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  This is Xenomania.
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  There too.
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  Ryan: Oh,
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  Jon: that's the game in my top five are like almost two pages themselves.
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  Ryan: that's,
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  Kearns: are ridiculous.
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  Ryan: that's acceptable.
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  Kearns: Yeah, that's different.
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  Ryan: That's acceptable.
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  Jon: my, my notes are just like, stream of consciousness.
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  Remind me of what happened.
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  Blow by below.
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  Ryan: but the, the thing is, is it's basically a rel right?
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  It's a remake.
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  Sequel.
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  The combination of the legacy character, something that they've in
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  Hollywood have been doing with horror films, Halloween, Texas Chainsaw.
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  So you knew Scream was gonna jump on the bandwagon,
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  especially after the fourth one.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: Just pulling in all that money.
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  Ryan: Yeah,
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  Kearns: Just wanna
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  Ryan: absolutely.
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  Kearns: that yummy scream money.
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  Jon: yeah, I mean.
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  To quote Nie g paraphrase him and his, you know, beware if you chase
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  monsters of becoming the monster.
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  beware when satirizing, slasher movies that you don't
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  become what you're satirizing
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  Ryan: Yeah,
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  Jon: the Scream franchise became that really quick anyway.
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  Ryan: I feel like it became like that for three because like
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  it was a little more comedy.
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  You have the Jay and Silent Bob Cameo, which was a favor from West Craven.
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  So Kevin Smith, because I think Kevin Smith did something for West Craven.
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  Um, I mean you got all that and then the fourth one tries
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  to go serious, but it's, uh.
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  Jon: if, if you're satirizing slashers, you've already become
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  the satire when you go to part two.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: Because I mean that's part of the whole like slasher trope is that, oh,
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  here's part one, now it's part two.
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  And like they say with a higher body count, like so
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  Ryan: Fair.
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  Jon: safe.
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  And so you, they very quickly becomes that.
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  It doesn't diminish that scream.
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  Two is a good slasher,
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  Ryan: Thank you.
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  Jon: but then three and four kind of, eh, I understand there's some
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  Jon: for four because of Wes Craven and whatever,
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: it's
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  Ryan: It's his last film.
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  It was his last film, and they got Kevin Williams sent back.
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  Kearns: What a stinker to go out on.
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  Am I right
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  Ryan: Well,
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  Kearns: out there?
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  Ryan: I
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  Jon: mean it's,
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  Ryan: 50 50.
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  Jon: could have gone out on better.
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  Kearns: Oh, greed.
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  You got muted while you were trying to defend Screen four Descrip.
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  The
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  Ryan: Exactly
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  Kearns: software muted you.
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  Ryan: that was the universe saying,
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  Kearns: our disco lights here.
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  Ryan: it's the universe saying, do not.
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  I don't think the fourth one is bad.
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  I feel like over time it's gotten better, but the fifth one
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  does blow it out of the water.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Well, yeah.
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  Ryan: like especially, sorry, with the beginning.
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  I mean, the beginning is the same thing we've seen in every screen movie, but they
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  flip it, not because Jenna Ortega's in it.
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  It's more brutal and it's modern.
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  You know, they're using texting, they're using cell phones, you know, I
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  mean, in the opening she hangs up the phone, you're expecting her to answer,
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  and she's like, Nope, not doing it.
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  Unknown number.
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  And it's like, all right, Tara, who, Jenna, or take
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  place is making the right move.
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  And then it goes orry quickly because she thinks that's her.
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  Knew her mom's new boyfriend from some meeting, which she goes along
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  with it knowing that it's all BS anyway, which was her first mistake.
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  I would say that in that scene,
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  Jon: yeah, I mean the first scene works like the Scream five.
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  I'm just gonna give you a little spoiler of how I feel about it.
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  Scream Five worked for me.
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  Mostly.
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  Mostly.
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  There's
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  Ryan: fist bump.
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  Jon: one part I'm sure we're gonna get to.
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  That pisses me off to no end because it, we, we have talked about movies deserving
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  to do something like deserving to kill an animal, deserving to kill a child, like
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  they earned that capital with an audience.
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  Scream Five does not earn what it does.
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  Ryan: Are you talking about Officer Goofy?
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  Jon: I'm talking about Dewey
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  Ryan: Oh.
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  Jon: did not earn that death.
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  Ryan: N
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  Kearns: He's, he's, it's, it's sank a saint.
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  Ryan: Would you,
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  Kearns: most beloved characters of the franchise.
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  Ryan: would you have taken Gail Weathers over that?
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  Kearns: I would've taken anybody over that.
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  I would've
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  Ryan: Not Cindy.
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  Kearns: Mother Teresa over that.
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  Jon: if you are going to bring back Legacy cast members, you either
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  cameo them or you can't kill 'em all.
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  How can you, say you're honoring Craven and Williamson and Hill off of the most
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  popular characters in the franchise
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  Ryan: It's, it's a chance, right?
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  It's a chance they took.
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  Jon: really because he's being an idiot.
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Kearns: of his thing.
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  Ryan: Uh,
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  Jon: Like he,
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  Ryan: yes.
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  Jon: safely in the elevator.
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  And it, while it doesn't come into play in that moment, he's been around enough
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  to know that there are two Ghostface.
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  'cause there's always two of them.
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  So he doesn't even know that going back in, he's not running into the second one.
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  Ryan: True.
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  Jon: like, nah, he, he dies being stupid.
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  And it's not a death that Scream five earned.
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  Ryan: So you don't think he like kind of gave up on life at that point?
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  'cause like you see him, when we first get, reintroduce it, Dewey, like, he's
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  all like depressed and stuff and he's trying to keep that positivity up.
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  But like, you know how I interpret it, you know.
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  Jon: No, I, I think he's rejuvenated.
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  Like he doesn't want to be, involved in another Ghostface situation, but like,
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  he's rejuvenated by it almost immediately.
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  He, like, he kicks, Sam outta the house and like, I, I'm not doing it.
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  I'm not doing, I'm not gonna help.
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  And he texts Sidney and he texts ga or he calls Sidney and he texts Gail.
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  And, but you can see in those moments, it's like, oh, wait
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  a minute, this is my purpose.
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  Hunting Ghostface is my purpose.
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  And
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  Kearns: Hmm.
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  Jon: back.
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  Like, I think this rejuvenates him.
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  I don't think he had to kill him.
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  Ryan: I do agree.
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  It's like killing Reggie in Phantasm.
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  You just can't do it.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  would ha,
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  Kearns: I think what
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  Jon: I
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  Kearns: I think what,
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  Jon: reaction.
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  Kearns: well, that's a, that's a totally, I almost feel like a
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  totally different conversation.
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  But I think what the problem is with me with regard to the franchisees,
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  what would kill Reggie and Phantasm, we know the tall man would kill Reggie and
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  Ryan: Or women
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: women being cosplayed or tall man, cosplaying as women,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: but tall man would kill Reggie and scream Ghostface isn't the same person.
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  So there's like, there's like varying levels of cred with regard to whoever
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  is Ghostface in whichever movie addition we're seeing, like whichever number.
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  So the two twits that are ghostface to get, to get the stupid stab, credibility
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  up or whatever the heck the excuse was.
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  I, I don't even remember it.
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  So stupid.
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  That's what kills Dewey.
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  Jon: mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: I dunno.
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  It makes me mad.
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  Jon: their motive is that the Stab franchise stopped being slashers and
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  became elevated horror, and now they want to give it a story to bring
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  it back to its true slasher roots,
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  Kearns: Mm. And
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  Ryan: And they,
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  Kearns: shall
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  Ryan: and they do,
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  Jon: mean, look, I, I get the elevated horror stuff.
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  I hate that phrase.
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  Kearns: mm-hmm.
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  Jon: It's not horror.
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  It like, we added some thrilling moments and some character development to call it
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  elevated horror, but it's a horror movie.
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  The Witch is a horror movie, not elevated horror.
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  It's just a horror movie.
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  Ryan: I mean, they mentioned the Baba Duke, they mentioned hereditary films.
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  So I feel like that have more of a high, like we're saying, high elevated thrill
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  Kearns: they're
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  Ryan: it.
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  Kearns: on the type of horror movies I like.
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  Ryan: Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  I don't agree with them.
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  Kearns: ones.
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  I like the um, I like, oh yeah, I know you don't, you like, you like, well,
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  your net is way bigger than mine.
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  You like a lot of different things.
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  You're a huge fan of Slashers.
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  Big fan of really bad body horror.
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  Like bring her back.
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  Um.
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  Ryan: Necrophilia, whatever that movie is.
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  Kearns: what you do on Saturday.
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  Ryan: Gotta delete those files.
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  Kearns: why I always defer to you guys.
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  I, I mean, I will say, I, I defer to John usually first because you're
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  like, you're like at the vault John and
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  Ryan: Yes,
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  Kearns: behind him.
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  Like, you guys just know everything.
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  But you, you really do enjoy such a wide swath.
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  When I see movies like this, it's like fun time.
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  It's the ball pit at Burger King.
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  It's, not a lot to it.
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  You roll around, you get germs.
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  You're having a great time.
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  this one was better than the other screen movies.
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  'cause I remember the screen movies really starting to suck.
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  I'm assuming four was the last one I saw before five, which was, but
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  it was like a million years ago.
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Ryan: 2000.
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  Kearns: I, yeah, I mean that was like 12 crises national crises ago.
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  Who knows when?
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  I didn't even know how old I was.
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  I could have been in preschool or I could have been 27.
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  I don't even know anymore.
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  Jon: I mean, listen, I, I feel
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  Kearns: You don't have to do the math.
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  I know how old that was, Ryan.
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  Jon: it's been like 12 national crises since the last time
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  we recorded an episode.
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  Kearns: Yeah, fair
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  Ryan: Yeah, true.
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  Kearns: portfolio looking?
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  Tax returns looking good.
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  Mine's not
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  Ryan: I didn't even,
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  Kearns: There's
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  Ryan: I haven't jumped,
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Ryan: oil went up.
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  Kearns: Usually it's a four, four digit green number this year.
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  It's a four digit gray number.
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  Things are great.
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  We're doing fine.
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  Jon: Yeah,
• 10:28
  Kearns: fine.
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  Ryan: oil bill.
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  Jon: can write off my movie purchasing.
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  Kearns: Um, probably not based on what I, shenanigans.
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  I tried tonight trying to find deductions everywhere.
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  New.
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  Probably not 'cause we don't have a capital gain.
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  Well, whatever.
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  So back to the, less scary thing.
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  Scream.
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  Five.
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  So what do you guys think about Jenna Ortega leading,
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  the charge on this one though.
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  Do you think she's part of what carries this movie to a
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  higher level than scream four.
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  Jon: I like her.
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  Ryan: Yeah, I, it's, it's,
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  Kearns: too,
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  Ryan: it's different because like, you see her, like if you're going back to screen
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  four real quick, it shows that like whole universe, the stab movies have gained
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  progress and there's so many of them.
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  With this one, uh, the, sorry to rewind real quick with the Scream four, you know
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  that they're gonna die with Scream five.
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  You're in that like, is she gonna die, is she not?
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  Because.
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  The screen goes black after that final stab.
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  And to quote John, if you don't see a death on screen, that
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  doesn't mean they're dead or not.
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Ryan: So when you see that, yeah, so you see that and you're like,
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  okay, this is already changing.
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  'cause you don't see the death in the beginning and then you're like, oh,
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  she's in the hospital because we get introduced to Sam, her half sister, and
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  she's living far off from her because of past occurrences in their family life.
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  And she's kind of the badass I do like Sam, I think she was a great protagonist.
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  Um, comparable to Sydney, but more with a badass edge instead of Sydney
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  being like the Jamie Lee Curtis, like, you know, um, final Girl.
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  And then building up Sam right there is already a best, which I liked.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  I, Sydney, is like pure innocent and scream in the first one.
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  And Sam at
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: is, I don't even know if I'd go quite to badass so much as
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  troubled and jaded and disturbed.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Jon: she, she knows truths about her past that troubling that you know
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  that she is Billy Loomis's daughter.
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  Ryan: I love that too.
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  Jon: I think that's a nice touch.
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  And I like, she has visions of her father talking to her and
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  you know, of encouraging her towards not positive behavior.
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Jon: And she's dating the son of Hollywood royalty in this movie.
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  Ryan: Randy Quaid.
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  Jon: Jack Quaid
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  Ryan: Oh.
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  Jon: Dennis
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  Kearns: full
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  Jon: uh, is Dennis' son
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  Ryan: Dennis Qua.
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  Sorry,
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  Kearns: Dennis Quaid slowly morphed into Randy Quaid
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Ryan: bit.
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  Kearns: if you pay attention.
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  Jon: which means that Jack probably will too.
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  But for now, outside of this, where he is kind of like geeky, he's sort of
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  blossomed into like, a fairly handsome leading man type in action stuff.
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  Ryan: Yeah,
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  Jon: they do a nice job casting this.
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  We get another, Hollywood offspring.
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  We, the Return of Mason Gooding, who's becoming a regular on this show?
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  Ryan: I think this was like one of his.
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  Kearns: Gooding been in for the, for the first time listeners?
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  Jon: Uh, hard Eyes.
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  Kearns: Yes.
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  Which you should listen to next.
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  Jon: a very similar character, I think, like, maybe not as
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  like smarmy, like charming
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Jon: Scream Five, but it's a very similar character type and he, and,
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  Mindy are, Randy Meek's niece and nephew.
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  Ryan: which I love that tie in.
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  Jon: They keep tying things together into, you get cameos, which you don't even know
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  you're getting until you look at credits.
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  Like there's a clip of stab five or stab eight rather with, um,
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  Ghostface with a flame thrower.
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  That's Matthew Lillard.
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  Ryan: Oh, that's cool.
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  Jon: You
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  Kearns: that's cool.
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  Jon: at, you have the scene at the party where they're toasting.
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  Um, the character Wes who died, and all the voices are like, you get
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  Matthew Lillard in there, you have Drew Barrymore's voice, Jamie Kennedy.
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  It's all, all those voices are scream movie veterans.
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  Ryan: That's awesome.
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  Jon: and it's sort of designed to serve as a tribute to the character,
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  they also named the character Wes.
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  that scene is also a tribute to Wes Craven.
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  Ryan: I like that.
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  Jon: reuniting his people to one last time, I guess.
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  Kearns: This is why John has 17 pages of notes right here.
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  He just went through the line, the family trees and all that.
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  That was cool.
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  That was cool.
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  Jon: I, I thought that was a nice touch that I wouldn't have known about if I
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  hadn't, dug into this a little more.
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  And if we weren't doing this, show, I wouldn't have bothered to look that up.
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  Ryan: It's pretty cool 'cause it's a nice nod to a legend,
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  a director, horror legend.
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  And I like that.
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  'cause when you, I watch and I'm just, you hear to Wes but now go into detail.
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  I wanna watch that scene again to see if I can pick those, those voices out.
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  I do wish they asked Johnny Depp.
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  I know he is not a scream alumni, but Wes got his start and I know
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  they had a good friendship, so that would've been pretty cool.
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  Kearns: That would've been neat.
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  This is like Cokehead days.
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  Johnny Depp though we didn't, we were ca Captain Jack Sparrow.
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  would've been kind of neat.
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  Hey, we got a, we got a game this week.
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  Jon: Of course we have a game this
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  Kearns: It's time, gamey game
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  Jon: that, it's dasher slash
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  Kearns: as it should be for a scream movie.
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  Jon: and you know what, I'm gonna give you the topic because
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  it's gonna go, it's, I don't
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Jon: be as easy as you'd think it's gonna be.
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  It's David Arquette movies.
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  Kearns: Oh, sweet.
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  All right.
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  Eight legged freaks.
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  Stash
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  Ryan: Yeah, that's the first one.
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  Oh,
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  Kearns: What's the
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  Ryan: a
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  Kearns: the girl that's in that and sliders?
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  Um, I'm stashing this, this is one of my favorite movies.
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  Ryan: who, who was he in?
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  The outsiders charm.
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  Jon: I
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  Kearns: ugly one.
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  Jon: He's
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  Ryan: He was?
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  Jon: don't even, I don't believe he's even on the cover.
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  He was like 12 or 13 when he was in this.
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  Ryan: Yeah, because I don't,
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  Kearns: their, is he a greaser or a, so it's what I wanna know.
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  Damn.
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  All right.
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  Well I'm stashing.
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  Jon: somewhere, but I can't find it.
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  Kearns: Look at Matt Dillon.
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  Ryan: I, I,
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  Jon: slashing?
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  Ryan: this is hard 'cause this is a good movie.
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  I remember this from middle school.
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  But
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  Kearns: a
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  Ryan: a legged freaks you might have ready to rumble on here.
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  That was the movie, by the way.
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  Ready to rumble.
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  You might have that on there.
• 17:29
  Uh, there's so many good, David.
• 17:32
  Kearns: Eight.
• 17:33
  You picked Eight.
• 17:33
  Ryan: Hey.
• 17:34
  Yeah.
• 17:34
  You know what?
• 17:35
  Kearns: we have to do four and four.
• 17:36
  Jon: Hold on.
• 17:36
  No, I'm gonna make it three and five.
• 17:38
  Ryan: Oh, oh,
• 17:39
  Kearns: So we keep five.
• 17:40
  Okay, cool.
• 17:41
  Ryan: no, no.
• 17:42
  Keep three.
• 17:43
  Jon: Stash three slash five.
• 17:46
  Kearns: I, I damn it, I,
• 17:48
  Ryan: You know what I'm,
• 17:48
  Kearns: keeping the outsiders
• 17:50
  Ryan: I'm slashing it.
• 17:51
  I'll slash the outsiders.
• 17:52
  Kearns: might
• 17:53
  Ryan: You know what though?
• 17:53
  Kearns: it like a freak.
• 17:54
  Dude,
• 17:55
  Ryan: I, I'll recommend.
• 17:56
  Kearns: to save everybody in that fire and he, he died and
• 17:58
  you're gonna slash this film,
• 18:00
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Rumble fish.
• 18:02
  That's all I'm gonna say.
• 18:02
  Rumble fish.
• 18:03
  Kearns: be in this movie.
• 18:04
  It's, what is her name?
• 18:05
  Cherry Colas.
• 18:06
  The, the
• 18:06
  Ryan: Cherry Cola.
• 18:07
  Yep.
• 18:08
  Cherry Cola.
• 18:08
  And, um.
• 18:09
  Kearns: Every dude in the universe watched this movie and was like, man, I'd love to
• 18:12
  meet Cherry Cola by that chain link fence.
• 18:16
  Ryan: It's such, uh, very, it's, I'm thinking of the ending and stuff.
• 18:20
  And the book at the book is, read the book first before you watch the movie.
• 18:23
  Kearns: the one soc pulled out a knife during the brawl and they all, they all
• 18:27
  gang beat him 'cause he broke the rules.
• 18:28
  That was like my favorite part of the book.
• 18:31
  Honor Among Thieves kind of thing.
• 18:32
  Alright, anyway, enough, enough of the outsiders.
• 18:36
  Jon: All right, so you each have, has a
• 18:39
  Kearns: I.
• 18:40
  Jon: and Kerns has a stash
• 18:42
  Kearns: He slashed a friend his Ford Colo movie.
• 18:44
  What a Loser.
• 18:46
  Ryan: Oh.
• 18:46
  Oh.
• 18:46
  Hold on Graceland.
• 18:48
  Jon: 3000 miles to Graceland.
• 18:50
  Kearns: Speaking about Economic,
• 18:52
  Jon: legit love this movie.
• 18:54
  Kearns: it's a good movie.
• 18:56
  Jon: It's so dumb.
• 18:57
  It's so silly, but I love it.
• 19:01
  Ryan: It is.
• 19:02
  Kearns: Evan Costner,
• 19:04
  Ryan: I'm slashing this too though.
• 19:05
  Kearns: slash it.
• 19:06
  Yeah, we know it's
• 19:06
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 19:07
  Kearns: We know we got so many goodies coming up.
• 19:09
  This is a nice movie though.
• 19:11
  Ryan: This might be
• 19:11
  Kearns: this movie, like do a double feature.
• 19:13
  Do like two Wong Fu and 3000 Miles to Graceland in the
• 19:17
  same weekend or something.
• 19:19
  Ryan: it.
• 19:20
  That's actually a really good double feature, actually.
• 19:22
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 19:23
  Jon: That is a pretty good one.
• 19:24
  Yep.
• 19:25
  Ryan: Julie Numar.
• 19:28
  Jon: Next Ravenous.
• 19:32
  Kearns: Robert Carlisle plays such bad guy.
• 19:35
  Is he the bad guy in this?
• 19:36
  With his deep voice?
• 19:38
  With his evil?
• 19:39
  Jon: really good guys in this one.
• 19:41
  Kearns: That's a fair point.
• 19:43
  Ryan: What is this?
• 19:44
  Kearns: only option.
• 19:45
  Jon: You haven't seen ravenous?
• 19:46
  Ryan: This is like a frailty thing, I think.
• 19:48
  Yeah.
• 19:48
  No, I've never even heard of it.
• 19:50
  I never, well, like me.
• 19:53
  Kearns: re to,
• 19:57
  Ryan: I
• 19:58
  Kearns: you'd like
• 19:59
  Ryan: I'm relating it.
• 20:00
  Jon: You
• 20:00
  Ryan: I'm relating it for not seeing it.
• 20:02
  It looks cool.
• 20:03
  The cover looks cool.
• 20:04
  Uh, the, the poster.
• 20:06
  Kearns: I saw Brotherhood of the Wolf, and I always talk about that, like that's that
• 20:09
  era of movie making that I really like
• 20:12
  Ryan: All right, this is going on the list.
• 20:14
  Kearns: into these scripts and stuff.
• 20:15
  I'm gonna have to slash it, but I like this movie too.
• 20:19
  Ryan: How many slash
• 20:20
  Kearns: I'm, maybe I'll Stash one that has him on the cover for, for
• 20:25
  Arquette says, and David Arquette.
• 20:28
  The little.
• 20:28
  The little, and it feels like an insult.
• 20:31
  Jon: He's almost like comic relief in this.
• 20:34
  Kearns: Yep.
• 20:36
  Ryan: 1-800-COLLECT?
• 20:37
  I'm gonna slash it.
• 20:39
  I got to, I'm gonna be fair.
• 20:40
  I've never seen it.
• 20:41
  Jon: can you keep it?
• 20:43
  Ryan: I mean, I could be a rebel, but No, not this time.
• 20:46
  Jon: All right.
• 20:48
  Next,
• 20:51
  OG Buffy.
• 20:52
  Kearns: I love this movie,
• 20:54
  Ryan: I'm keeping it.
• 20:55
  Kearns: Peewee
• 20:55
  Ryan: first keep.
• 20:56
  Kearns: do we need the death scene
• 20:58
  Ryan: It's like the best part.
• 21:00
  Kearns: It's the best part of the movie by far.
• 21:02
  Uh, I'm slashing this one too,
• 21:06
  even though it's got that amazing David Arquette Vampire moment.
• 21:12
  Jon: So you, you both have two and two?
• 21:15
  Ryan: Wait, what?
• 21:16
  Kearns: another one.
• 21:16
  I don't think I stashed another one.
• 21:18
  Jon: No, you have two STEs left and two
• 21:20
  Kearns: Oh, got it.
• 21:21
  Ryan: okay.
• 21:22
  I was like, wait a minute.
• 21:23
  When did I, I was like,
• 21:24
  Kearns: crow.
• 21:26
  Ryan: I don't remember stashing anything else?
• 21:28
  Jon: next movie.
• 21:28
  There it is.
• 21:31
  Ryan: Keep stash.
• 21:32
  Yeah.
• 21:32
  Kearns: keeping it just for the, the, I had such a crush on the girl
• 21:35
  from Sliders, that's in this movie is the female lead, and it's just
• 21:40
  ludicrous how hot she is in this movie.
• 21:42
  I don't even care that I'm saying this on the podcast.
• 21:45
  Ryan: So for,
• 21:47
  Kearns: the spider?
• 21:47
  Actually,
• 21:48
  Jon: Yeah,
• 21:48
  Ryan: yes.
• 21:50
  Kearns: don't think you're gonna make it, darling.
• 21:52
  There's a lot behind you, but
• 21:55
  Ryan: Middle school.
• 21:56
  Kearns: out to sliders, by the way.
• 21:58
  Ryan: Gonna say Middle school me just was like fascinated with the
• 22:01
  huge spiders and thinking, man, I hope these people survive this.
• 22:04
  And being like, I hope someone like gets killed at the same time because it's
• 22:08
  like the spiders come outta nowhere.
• 22:10
  It's just they're ravenous and you're like, there's no hope, but no worry.
• 22:13
  Kearns: And it's
• 22:14
  Ryan: David Arquette.
• 22:15
  Kearns: Arquette in that leading male role too, he's gotta go through the motions.
• 22:19
  He's got a backstory and a conflict and all that fun stuff
• 22:23
  when he's usually the side guy.
• 22:25
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Kearns: Eight legged freaks.
• 22:28
  This was fun to watch.
• 22:30
  Jon: Yeah, this is a fun one.
• 22:32
  not arachnophobia and I think
• 22:34
  Kearns: No,
• 22:34
  Jon: some
• 22:35
  Ryan: No,
• 22:36
  Jon: but it's fun
• 22:38
  Ryan: you don't.
• 22:38
  Got John.
• 22:38
  Good man.
• 22:39
  Kearns: was going to be Arachnophobia is a movie that legitimately made
• 22:42
  it hard to shower for a while.
• 22:44
  This is
• 22:44
  Ryan: Yes.
• 22:44
  Kearns: spiders the size of like sedans.
• 22:48
  Jon: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Or this is more, more like similar to like the fifties giant insect movies.
• 22:56
  Ryan: Yep.
• 22:56
  And it works.
• 22:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 22:58
  Kearns: Good
• 22:58
  Ryan: I can't wait for us to cover that.
• 23:01
  Kearns: It's a good hang.
• 23:03
  All right, so I only got one left now.
• 23:05
  Jon: You
• 23:05
  Ryan: Oh,
• 23:05
  Jon: have
• 23:06
  Ryan: yep.
• 23:06
  Jon: left and two slashes.
• 23:07
  So let's say where we go.
• 23:09
  Kearns: See where John's evil streak comes in here.
• 23:11
  There you go, Ryan.
• 23:14
  Ryan: I'm stashing it.
• 23:16
  I
• 23:16
  Kearns: gotta slash
• 23:17
  Ryan: will rule you, it's just, uh, I, Scott Kahn, David Arquette.
• 23:24
  Kearns: It's
• 23:24
  Ryan: made a mistake, but I'll accept it.
• 23:26
  Kearns: not as big into the, the wrestling stuff too.
• 23:28
  It's ready to rumble didn't resonate with me that much.
• 23:31
  It was one of those, uh, like I didn't pay attention while it was on kind of things.
• 23:35
  And that was back before cell phones.
• 23:38
  Jon: It also sort of like spawned the strangest David Arquette
• 23:42
  era where he's WCW Champion.
• 23:46
  Ryan: Yep.
• 23:48
  Uh,
• 23:49
  Jon: somehow, somehow a, a dying wrestling promotion decided the best way to save it
• 23:54
  was to make David Arquette your champion.
• 23:57
  Ryan: Oh, let, let's be real.
• 23:59
  WCW, I'm gonna say w CW was trying to revitalize itself because
• 24:03
  it was failing in the ratings.
• 24:04
  They hired a former writer from WWF Vince Russo, who Vince McMahon kind of directed
• 24:11
  him to, to like said yes to ideas.
• 24:13
  No to ideas.
• 24:14
  And that's why a lot of the ideas at that time, late nineties, early
• 24:18
  two thousands, worked in WCW.
• 24:20
  He was just doing anything and everything and there was no, no
• 24:23
  one saying, no one's to say no.
• 24:25
  And this is what we got, David, a kid as a world champion.
• 24:29
  Jon: It was throwing things at, at a wall and seeing what stuck.
• 24:32
  IWCW had about a three or four year period where they almost were able
• 24:40
  to pass WWE, you know, you had the NWO and people wanted that, and
• 24:46
  then it, they just couldn't sustain.
• 24:49
  Ryan: Real quick, they did, um, from 96 till, I think, late
• 24:54
  97, early 98, they beat him in the ratings because of the NWO.
• 24:58
  And then what changed was Austin, Austin and Tyson and Michaels at WrestleMania 14.
• 25:04
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 25:05
  Ryan: Mike Tyson walked through, everyone flipped and
• 25:09
  Jon: they, watered down the NWO when everybody in, in an, is in the
• 25:15
  NWO in some way, shape, or form.
• 25:17
  It's not fun anymore.
• 25:20
  Kearns: true, didn't they?
• 25:21
  That was all people they stole from the WWF too, like right.
• 25:25
  Sting
• 25:25
  Ryan: Mm-hmm.
• 25:26
  Jon: in, almost in no sting.
• 25:28
  Sting was not in WWE E until after.
• 25:31
  Kearns: Oh,
• 25:31
  Ryan: Yep.
• 25:32
  Jon: Um,
• 25:32
  Ryan: he was,
• 25:33
  Jon: almost everybody else was a WWE cast off.
• 25:38
  Ryan: yep.
• 25:39
  Hogan Nash Hall.
• 25:41
  Kearns: from Vince
• 25:43
  Ryan: Well,
• 25:43
  Kearns: and his empire.
• 25:45
  Ryan: real quick.
• 25:46
  Kearns: I don't think there's any real quick when it comes to you and wrestling,
• 25:49
  Ryan: No, no, no.
• 25:50
  This is real quick.
• 25:51
  You'll think this is cool.
• 25:51
  The gimmick was actually stolen from uh, Japan.
• 25:55
  It was done in Japan first, and then they saw it and took it to Houston America.
• 26:00
  So
• 26:01
  Kearns: makes sense.
• 26:02
  Ryan: see, it was quick.
• 26:03
  Kearns: That was quick.
• 26:04
  You're right.
• 26:04
  You are right.
• 26:06
  those Japanese Ludo, right?
• 26:08
  It's a Ja old Busto word.
• 26:10
  Ludo.
• 26:11
  Ryan: El Grande Americano.
• 26:13
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 26:13
  He speaks perfect Japanese, everybody.
• 26:16
  Ryan: He does, and Mexican.
• 26:19
  Kearns: And Mexican.
• 26:21
  Perfect.
• 26:21
  Mexican is the best part.
• 26:22
  Best way to end that a little bit.
• 26:25
  Jon: Yes.
• 26:25
  They, that, that's our segment of wrestling Talk for this week.
• 26:31
  Next movie,
• 26:33
  the og.
• 26:35
  Kearns: Flash.
• 26:36
  Ryan: I have to, I have to slash it.
• 26:38
  Kearns: you
• 26:38
  Ryan: have to.
• 26:39
  Jon: Yep.
• 26:39
  Kearns: Well what did he leave for last though?
• 26:41
  This is scary actually.
• 26:42
  'cause I could be safe and pick Screams.
• 26:44
  Screams of great movie.
• 26:46
  it would've been great if they ended the franchise with scream.
• 26:49
  Jon: don't, I don't think you'd be disappointed either way.
• 26:53
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 26:54
  I mean, I trust you enough to believe that.
• 26:56
  All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna slash scream 'cause I'm
• 26:58
  not a slasher, a slasher guy.
• 27:00
  Through and through.
• 27:01
  I enjoy them to an extent, but they're not need nearly, they're not on the podium
• 27:05
  of my favorite type of horror movies,
• 27:07
  Ryan: I love scream.
• 27:09
  I would've stashed it, but Ready to rumble.
• 27:12
  Ready to rumble.
• 27:14
  Jon: I, I can't believe you have Buffy eight legged freaks and ready
• 27:19
  to rumble before you have scream.
• 27:21
  Kearns: so
• 27:22
  Ryan: I did.
• 27:22
  I did.
• 27:23
  Kearns: you use no regrets either.
• 27:24
  Ryan: No, I don't.
• 27:25
  I love, I love Buffy, I love eight Lady Freaks.
• 27:28
  Like this is like everything on Stars and TBS,
• 27:31
  Jon: I think I'm gonna give him another regret right now with,
• 27:37
  Kearns: Oh, I'm happy as hell right now.
• 27:39
  I am
• 27:39
  Ryan: I forgot he was in,
• 27:40
  Kearns: I forgot he was in this too.
• 27:42
  Ryan: he's in the, he's uh, he's one of the production assistants in the radio.
• 27:47
  Kearns: Sandler's probably most proud of this movie.
• 27:50
  I know it's not one of his, happy Madison Productions, but
• 27:52
  this is probably my favorite
• 27:54
  Jon: I
• 27:55
  Kearns: era.
• 27:55
  Jon: movie.
• 27:57
  Ryan: It's
• 27:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:00
  Even the, the soundtrack is cool, like, somehow you have a song from
• 28:05
  stuttering, John Melendez from the Howard Stern Show on this soundtrack.
• 28:09
  That works.
• 28:11
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 28:12
  Which is Wild Stuttering John Reference.
• 28:17
  Ryan: I just remember the question
• 28:18
  Jon: my way out of it.
• 28:20
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 28:21
  Ryan: John.
• 28:21
  Kearns: All right.
• 28:22
  That was Slasher Stash for the Scream five episode, everybody.
• 28:25
  Um, there's no winners or losers here, but
• 28:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:30
  I
• 28:30
  Kearns: Sam, I'm really happy with how mine turned out.
• 28:32
  Jon: I, I, I feel like you won this one because I got, I got Ryan to
• 28:36
  cut one of his favorite movies and
• 28:38
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 28:40
  Jon: happy
• 28:41
  Kearns: evil.
• 28:41
  Jon: of you guys to do that.
• 28:43
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 28:44
  Ryan: technically.
• 28:44
  2, 2, 2, 2.
• 28:50
  Jon: it, also why I think we have to do 'em three and five, because four and four
• 28:56
  in this case wouldn't have been stressful.
• 29:00
  Ryan: No, no.
• 29:01
  I mean I'm already bold, so there it's it'ss happening.
• 29:07
  But there is a question I have to ask is, let me God, is that the question?
• 29:12
  Jon: let me, is
• 29:13
  Ryan: Alright, there we go.
• 29:14
  Jon: yes.
• 29:15
  Kearns: Comment below, viewers,
• 29:16
  Jon: The, the si the simplest answer.
• 29:19
  If you comment no, then I, I'm worried about you.
• 29:23
  Ryan: Okay.
• 29:23
  Just wanted to make sure.
• 29:25
  Kearns: if you can be in John's prayer circle for the night If you comment,
• 29:28
  no, he'll put you in his prayer circle.
• 29:31
  All right, everybody,
• 29:34
  Jon: My,
• 29:35
  Ryan: would be like
• 29:36
  Jon: prayers to Lemi will include you tonight.
• 29:40
  Kearns: Very well done.
• 29:41
  Well done.
• 29:42
  Ryan: little ace of spades chases.
• 29:44
  Kearns: A speeds.
• 29:46
  All right, so what else?
• 29:47
  What else about this movie do you think Bears highlighting?
• 29:50
  Scream five.
• 29:52
  Ryan: I feel,
• 29:53
  Jon: I think, go ahead, Ryan.
• 29:55
  Ryan: oh, I was gonna say, the relationship with Dewey and Gale,
• 29:59
  I mentioned this a couple episodes ago with great romances in horror,
• 30:03
  their evolution of the romance, their romanticism, as I would say, kinda.
• 30:10
  Concludes in this, but you see it begin in Scream 1 19 96.
• 30:15
  It, you know, furthers in 98 with Scream two, 2000 with Scream
• 30:20
  three, and then 2011 scream four.
• 30:23
  It's just, you see them grow, break up, get together, and it's mimicking
• 30:28
  real life, even up to this point where it's like they're divorced.
• 30:31
  And especially when they're talking, I feel like you see a lot of emotion,
• 30:35
  not only from them as characters, but from them as human, human beings, as
• 30:40
  people who loved each other and still love each other, but they agreed to go
• 30:44
  their separate ways but I mean, that was one of the biggest highlights I think.
• 30:48
  I I, and seeing Sydney come back and being like a passing of the
• 30:53
  torch, I did like that a lot.
• 30:55
  even though she's.
• 30:57
  Kearns: like of the bump of the movie needed
• 31:00
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Until you realize she, until you realize she's supposed to be in scream six, and
• 31:04
  there's a contract failure of negotiation, which screws that up, but we'll,
• 31:10
  we'll cover that in the next episode.
• 31:12
  Kearns: Yeah, I guess.
• 31:12
  Well, there's another reason why this franchise sucks.
• 31:17
  Ryan: Well, they allude to it.
• 31:20
  Jon: I was a fan of how they did a lot of the lead up to, some of the death scenes
• 31:26
  like Wes is in particular, they give you a whole bunch of like, oh, this is the
• 31:31
  moment he's gonna close the refrigerator and Ghostface is gonna be there.
• 31:34
  He's gonna close this door and goes like, they misdirect you and misdirect you.
• 31:38
  Almost to, to the point where you're like, oh, maybe Ghost face isn't gonna get Wes.
• 31:43
  Maybe Ghost Face was only gonna take out the Sheriff.
• 31:47
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 31:49
  Ryan: I love the unpredictability.
• 31:51
  Jon: they did that with a, a couple of scenes.
• 31:53
  They sort of, and I'd like the scene in the hospital up until they killed Dewey.
• 31:58
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Jon: I like how they handle, you know, Tara injured, trying to hide
• 32:03
  in a wheelchair, Sam getting there just in time with Dewey to save
• 32:09
  her and it and Ghost faces giving her like the real Sophie's choice.
• 32:15
  Like, I can, I can kill your boyfriend, or I can, I can kill your sister.
• 32:21
  You choose.
• 32:22
  And it's like, like I,
• 32:24
  Kearns: That Batman's choice, Rachel or Harvey?
• 32:27
  We
• 32:28
  Ryan: Rachel.
• 32:29
  Kearns: Sophie's choice Rachel
• 32:34
  anyway.
• 32:36
  Jon: that, you know, a few scenes like that that work.
• 32:39
  I like, I like some of the stuff at the party at the end.
• 32:43
  I think where they lose me a little bit aside from Dewey is the killers
• 32:49
  are kind of too dorky for me.
• 32:54
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 32:55
  Jon: Like we've already talked about Jack Quaid looking kind of geeky in this role,
• 33:01
  and Amber played by Academy Award winner.
• 33:04
  Mikey Madison is, you know, she's, she's fine.
• 33:09
  She's, her acting is fine, but the character is just
• 33:13
  like, uh, you're annoying.
• 33:14
  You're not, you don't come across as, Ghostface to me.
• 33:18
  You're just, you're just, I, you're just annoying.
• 33:24
  So that was my problem.
• 33:25
  Real problem with this is that the two characters that wind up being
• 33:29
  ghostface are not cruel enough to me.
• 33:36
  Ryan: I could,
• 33:37
  Kearns: enough.
• 33:37
  Jon: their motivations.
• 33:39
  Ryan: I mean, the motivations a repeat of the fourth film kind of,
• 33:43
  Jon: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Kearns: one?
• 33:44
  No, no, nevermind.
• 33:45
  Not the first one.
• 33:46
  Ryan: I'd say more the fourth one.
• 33:48
  'cause that's what, um, Sydney cousin is trying to do, is like, she spoiler alert
• 33:54
  and scream for, she's trying to kill Sydney so she can be the new survivor
• 33:58
  and kind of bring back the stab series, quote unquote, with a new version.
• 34:04
  And it's the same thing, but better.
• 34:06
  Kearns: franchise.
• 34:06
  All of the motives for them, except for the first one, which is satire.
• 34:11
  So it is inherently stupid too, but it's like, okay, the motives for this,
• 34:16
  the ghost face killers are stupid.
• 34:20
  They're so dumb.
• 34:22
  Ryan: Aunt Jackie.
• 34:22
  Kearns: of right out of it.
• 34:23
  I know that you're supposed to kind of have suspension of disbelief.
• 34:27
  Jackie.
• 34:27
  Yeah, she's trying to get back at Roseanne for her anti MAGA
• 34:31
  statements or her MAGA statements.
• 34:34
  Isn't that think?
• 34:35
  And Jackie's hyper liberal, if I'm not mistaken.
• 34:37
  So there, there's a bit of a conflict there.
• 34:40
  Jon: Yeah.
• 34:40
  I have a question for you guys.
• 34:42
  Based on.
• 34:44
  Through the whole movie, they referred to Billy Loomis as a serial killer.
• 34:49
  Was he really a serial killer or is he more of a spree killer?
• 34:53
  Kearns: Spree.
• 34:55
  Ryan: He's more spray.
• 34:56
  Kearns: is a pattern killer with breaks between slayings.
• 34:59
  It's ritualistic.
• 35:01
  This could be considered ritualistic.
• 35:02
  Ooh, let's mind hunters this bitch
• 35:05
  Ryan: Hey, it can be, but it was more revenge.
• 35:08
  It was more revenge.
• 35:09
  Kearns: mother or annoyed by her sufficiently to become a serial killer?
• 35:13
  That's the
• 35:14
  Ryan: Well.
• 35:15
  His father left the family because his father was hooking up with
• 35:18
  Sidney's mom, who was, excuse my, excuse my language, the town whore.
• 35:23
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:24
  Kearns: Yeah, his dad left and then he hated Sydney for it.
• 35:27
  'cause her mo his, yeah.
• 35:28
  Mom was the town bicycle.
• 35:29
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 35:30
  Kearns: hmm.
• 35:31
  Let's think here I, it's, I think it's clear cut that it has to be spray, but
• 35:35
  I'm sure, I'm sure there are people
• 35:37
  Ryan: yeah,
• 35:38
  Kearns: make an argument.
• 35:38
  Jon: don't think he's a true serial killer.
• 35:40
  I think he's a spree killer,
• 35:42
  Kearns: Do
• 35:43
  Ryan: yeah,
• 35:43
  Kearns: three or more?
• 35:44
  Right.
• 35:45
  Jon: diminishes my fav.
• 35:46
  One of my favorite lines is, you know, at the end when Sam some
• 35:52
  stabbing of her own and she never f with the daughter of a serial killer.
• 35:57
  Ryan: yeah.
• 35:58
  Jon: like that line.
• 35:58
  I like that line, but
• 36:00
  Kearns: That's a good one.
• 36:01
  Jon: killer.
• 36:02
  Ryan: But it doesn't roll off.
• 36:03
  Kearns: of those things, that's one of those things where you Yeah, exactly.
• 36:06
  Where you kind of have to give it to her.
• 36:09
  Ryan: This don't mess with a spree killer.
• 36:11
  What a shopping spree like.
• 36:13
  Kearns: we're gonna give the colloquialism, we're
• 36:15
  gonna use that on this one.
• 36:16
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:17
  It's a, we're gonna use the phrase people are know about more and Yeah.
• 36:22
  Yeah.
• 36:22
  Kearns: Yeah, that's fine.
• 36:25
  Great question though.
• 36:26
  That
• 36:26
  Ryan: That's a good question.
• 36:30
  Jon: We can, I can sort of, and give you a little anecdote that came
• 36:34
  about at the end of watching this, and we can go into another topic
• 36:40
  briefly if you guys would like.
• 36:41
  Um, so Alison and I finished this, watching this Wednesday,
• 36:48
  like shortly after we had heard about James VanDerBeek passing.
• 36:52
  Ryan: Okay.
• 36:54
  Jon: And we, um, afterwards we're sitting there thinking, and I had, I,
• 36:59
  I had a memory of him in a Scream movie
• 37:03
  Ryan: Okay.
• 37:04
  Jon: and I was like, I, I said, I went looking for it
• 37:08
  and I'm like, I can't find it.
• 37:09
  Was it uncredited?
• 37:10
  So I asked Allison, Hey, do you remember him being in a Scream movie?
• 37:14
  She's like, thinks from a minute.
• 37:16
  She's like, yeah, he was definitely in a scream movie.
• 37:20
  He's not in a scream movie.
• 37:23
  He's
• 37:23
  Kearns: Not at all.
• 37:25
  Jon: And so I think, you know, working it around my head, I think I. Attached
• 37:30
  him to the scene in Jay, in Silent Bob,
• 37:34
  Kearns: That's what I'm thinking too.
• 37:36
  Jon: and then attached Jay in Silent Bob to a Scream movie and
• 37:41
  Kearns: That makes sense.
• 37:42
  Jon: them into the same movie.
• 37:45
  So Allison says, wow, we just, Mandela affected ourselves.
• 37:49
  Kearns: Yeah, you
• 37:50
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Kearns: didn't even need the help.
• 37:52
  This time I.
• 37:53
  Ryan: Bernstein Bears.
• 37:54
  Jon: isn't that the Mandela effect is, is a group delusion?
• 38:00
  Ryan: Mm-hmm.
• 38:01
  Kearns: it's true.
• 38:01
  And, well, my major issue with stuff is I'm, I've, uh, make
• 38:05
  connections very easily and when one of those is forged incorrectly,
• 38:10
  it is very hard for me to shake it.
• 38:12
  So I would believe that for like the rest of my life.
• 38:15
  There's like a Shazam one.
• 38:17
  I think I have.
• 38:19
  That's really bad.
• 38:20
  Yeah,
• 38:20
  Ryan: Sinbad.
• 38:21
  Kearns: bad.
• 38:21
  Yeah.
• 38:22
  Ryan: That that existed.
• 38:24
  That existed.
• 38:25
  Jon: not,
• 38:25
  Ryan: I watched, I watched it,
• 38:27
  Jon: You
• 38:28
  Ryan: that was n Shaquille O'Neal.
• 38:29
  Kearns: for TV movie and they.
• 38:30
  Jon: saw, you saw Shaq as a genie, and you saw sin bed and some other stuff.
• 38:36
  That's what you saw.
• 38:38
  Ryan: I.
• 38:38
  Jon: that's what the man, the Mandela, you get it mixed up in your brain and
• 38:43
  then you bring it up to somebody else who's going to, people will generally
• 38:48
  go along with your memories because they're your memories and then you impart
• 38:53
  your memory on somebody else, and now you've, you're creating Mandela Effects.
• 38:58
  Ryan: Bernstein Bears
• 39:01
  Jon: Stein, it was always, it was always
• 39:04
  Kearns: That one, I'm, I was like not a Berenstein bear or what was the other one?
• 39:09
  With the one that has marmalade.
• 39:11
  I wasn't a proper bear person.
• 39:13
  I, I slumped it.
• 39:14
  Ryan: Gold ux?
• 39:15
  Kearns: Bears.
• 39:16
  Ryan: No.
• 39:16
  Kearns: I didn't do Winnie the Pooh.
• 39:17
  None of the British written stuff.
• 39:20
  I never did
• 39:20
  Ryan: Oh po.
• 39:20
  Kearns: of those.
• 39:21
  Ryan: Who's good?
• 39:22
  Thomas is good too.
• 39:23
  Kearns: like the white trash bears.
• 39:24
  The, uh, what are the ones?
• 39:25
  The Briar brother, Brear Bear and those ones, they're like
• 39:29
  Ryan: Yes.
• 39:30
  Kearns: Virginia Bears out, the Outback, woods Bears.
• 39:34
  Those are the ones I had.
• 39:36
  Jon: So they were all cousins and siblings
• 39:38
  Kearns: Well, yes.
• 39:40
  Jon: spouses.
• 39:43
  Kearns: and all sorts of goodies.
• 39:44
  Ryan: Bob Billy,
• 39:45
  Kearns: listener base isn't from that area.
• 39:47
  If you're moth, man, people please don't get mad at us.
• 39:51
  Jon: We
• 39:51
  Ryan: don't
• 39:52
  Jon: Virginia.
• 39:52
  You're
• 39:53
  Kearns: I do
• 39:53
  Ryan: we do?
• 39:54
  Kearns: Virginia.
• 39:54
  I do love West Virginia.
• 39:55
  I've worked there many times and it is way less scary than some
• 39:58
  other places in this country.
• 40:00
  Mississippi is the.
• 40:03
  Ryan: What was that?
• 40:06
  Well, I got a question for you guys because they make a comment in this,
• 40:10
  in this film, and it got me thinking.
• 40:13
  Do you see a lot of similarities in the first film as well as with this
• 40:17
  one with the original Halloween from 78 as well as Halloween two from 1980?
• 40:27
  And I mean, like they mentioned Halloween, like with pacing the killer and I
• 40:31
  can see that, but with the, this one.
• 40:34
  As they mentioned Halloween, right?
• 40:36
  And West Cr Craven features Halloween in the first film.
• 40:39
  This one, they're using hospital scenes, right, which is very most
• 40:43
  apparent in the second Halloween.
• 40:45
  And by them mentioning that in this one and this kind of being not a
• 40:49
  direct sequel to the first one, but three films down, like I, I don't
• 40:56
  know if I'm the only one seeing it.
• 40:58
  I'm just curious if you guys saw it as well.
• 41:01
  Jon: I didn't, I understand when you bring it up.
• 41:04
  I had not thought of it.
• 41:07
  It's,
• 41:08
  Kearns: It.
• 41:08
  Yeah, I could see how you put those pieces together.
• 41:12
  Jon: yeah, there's
• 41:13
  Kearns: I didn't,
• 41:13
  Jon: I would, was nodding when you brought it up, 'cause I thought you were gonna
• 41:17
  go to the 2018 Halloween where it's, you know, revitalized with a younger
• 41:23
  generation of, recognizable actors and.
• 41:27
  Ryan: Fair.
• 41:27
  Kearns: and it's also quite bad.
• 41:30
  Ryan: 2018.
• 41:32
  Jon: No, I
• 41:32
  Ryan: Yes,
• 41:33
  Jon: I,
• 41:33
  Ryan: that was a good one.
• 41:34
  Jon: two third,
• 41:35
  Kearns: How do you stir the pot?
• 41:36
  Jon: of that, that Halloween trilogy.
• 41:39
  Two
• 41:39
  Ryan: Yes.
• 41:39
  Jon: uh, they didn't stick the landing.
• 41:41
  But
• 41:42
  Ryan: No.
• 41:42
  Jon: 2018 and Halloween kills I love and Halloween kills that hospital scene,
• 41:48
  especially with when it was released
• 41:51
  Kearns: an homage.
• 41:52
  Jon: works so well.
• 41:53
  Ryan: Yes.
• 41:55
  And I would recommend the director's cut because the ending is a little
• 41:59
  more, it's a little more, it's much better than the original ending where
• 42:03
  it just, I feel like in the theatrical, it just kind of like drops dead.
• 42:07
  But in that the director's cut, you get like that face off kind of from a
• 42:11
  distance between Michael and Jamie as she's doing her own voiceover after
• 42:16
  he kills basically the whole town.
• 42:19
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 42:21
  It's so easy.
• 42:22
  gonna keep doing stuff like that to you when I know it's gonna rile you up.
• 42:26
  Give us like eight minutes of content.
• 42:28
  I'm just gonna say stupid shit.
• 42:31
  Ryan: I bring her back.
• 42:32
  Kearns: those were a real breath of, now bring her back as a pile of garbage.
• 42:35
  And so are you.
• 42:36
  Ryan: Oh,
• 42:37
  Kearns: the
• 42:38
  Ryan: hey listen.
• 42:39
  I sent you a video of these beautiful VHS tapes.
• 42:43
  I don't know if you even went past the other 'cause.
• 42:45
  There was a beautiful weapon.
• 42:46
  There was a beautiful weapons one, but it started with bring her back, which
• 42:49
  I knew was gonna get him, but I was like, hopefully he'll go through it.
• 42:52
  No.
• 42:53
  Did you go through it?
• 42:54
  Because the weapons one was beautiful.
• 42:56
  Kearns: I did go through it.
• 42:57
  Ryan: Alright, thanks.
• 42:58
  Kearns: hate it.
• 42:58
  I still hate you.
• 42:59
  Uh, so, so I think the, uh, those Halloween movies, those re uh, we
• 43:05
  call it 2018 Halloween Kills and whatnot are, uh, better because of
• 43:10
  how bad the Rob Zombie ones were.
• 43:13
  Jon: Oh yeah, that
• 43:14
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 43:15
  Jon: That
• 43:15
  Ryan: Oh
• 43:16
  Kearns: That one didn't rile them up.
• 43:17
  See, I knew you'd agree with that.
• 43:18
  Yeah.
• 43:19
  Ryan: no.
• 43:20
  Kearns: You don't
• 43:20
  Ryan: Yes.
• 43:21
  Kearns: Myers.
• 43:22
  Ryan: Well, one, one I like two.
• 43:25
  Kearns: fridge.
• 43:26
  Jon: Okay.
• 43:27
  But I
• 43:27
  Ryan: the backstory.
• 43:28
  Jon: one has the ongoing Rob zombie weakness.
• 43:31
  He can't write women.
• 43:34
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 43:34
  We've talked about this
• 43:35
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 43:35
  Kearns: three consecutive episodes, by the way.
• 43:37
  Which is funny, but it's true.
• 43:39
  Jon: comes up, that's,
• 43:41
  Ryan: Didn't he, didn't he do a decent job with the, um,
• 43:44
  uh, I'm skipping on the title.
• 43:46
  Kearns: That's where it ends.
• 43:47
  Ryan: No.
• 43:47
  Um,
• 43:48
  Kearns: with Dula.
• 43:49
  House
• 43:49
  Ryan: the,
• 43:50
  Kearns: Corpses is garbage.
• 43:51
  The Halloween movies were garbage.
• 43:53
  Jon: going
• 43:53
  Ryan: radio one
• 43:55
  Jon: Lords of Salem?
• 43:56
  He, it's better, it's his, his writing of.
• 44:02
  female is better, I think it's only because he's writing it
• 44:07
  specifically for his wife.
• 44:10
  Kearns: Uh um,
• 44:10
  Ryan: fair.
• 44:11
  Kearns: power of Love
• 44:13
  Ryan: Which she outshined or tribe.
• 44:16
  Jon: I mean, she outshines as much as she can, outshine.
• 44:19
  I
• 44:19
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 44:19
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 44:20
  Jon: she's always, she's also, the other big weakness in his movies is he keeps
• 44:25
  casting her and she's not very good.
• 44:27
  Ryan: No, no.
• 44:30
  Like she was okay in Halloween, baby Firefly, she does a decent job, but
• 44:35
  I feel like that's including her own personality, minus the killing in that.
• 44:40
  And he kinda lets her, like those movies, I feel like he lets them let loose.
• 44:44
  Uh, of course you got Bill Moseley leading the pack, so like
• 44:47
  there's a little control there.
• 44:49
  But I think it got said hagg too.
• 44:53
  Kearns: Let's, let's do some reviews and flush this turd because
• 44:56
  we're, we're doing a, we're doing an episode on Halloween now.
• 44:59
  Ryan: This is not a turd.
• 45:00
  Jon: Be be we give you ours.
• 45:03
  Let's see what some other people thought.
• 45:05
  I, I actually have four this week 'cause uh, most of 'em are pretty
• 45:09
  short and there are a few, a few real winners such as this five star
• 45:15
  Kearns: Ooh.
• 45:17
  Jon: success in one hour and 54 minutes with 23 exclamation points.
• 45:23
  Kearns: Wow, you counted them
• 45:25
  Jon: them.
• 45:26
  Ryan: That.
• 45:26
  Jon: hard it, do you know how hard it is to count exclamation
• 45:30
  Ryan: How are your eyes?
• 45:31
  How are your eyes after this training?
• 45:33
  Jon: They're not good.
• 45:36
  r for some sexual references, languages, and strong bloody violence with a
• 45:43
  lot more than 23 exclamation points.
• 45:46
  And a one.
• 45:48
  Kearns: This guy loves strong bloody violence.
• 45:50
  Everybody.
• 45:51
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Yeah,
• 45:52
  Kearns: He also needs to take his meds.
• 45:53
  Who's the next one?
• 45:56
  Jon: Five stars.
• 45:57
  Kearns: Damn.
• 45:58
  Jon: It was awesome.
• 46:01
  had some actors, kids actors in it, including Cuba,
• 46:05
  Gooding Jrs and Dennis Quad's.
• 46:07
  Soon in it love having Oscar winning actors.
• 46:12
  Mikey Madison as one of the main antagonist.
• 46:16
  It says soon.
• 46:18
  Ryan: Soon.
• 46:18
  Jon: mean,
• 46:19
  Kearns: Wouldn't it be cool if they merged those two sons together or the two kids?
• 46:22
  I mean together into like one being super being what?
• 46:25
  Kuba putting Equate.
• 46:28
  Jon: listen, that's kind of how that reads.
• 46:31
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 46:31
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 46:32
  Kearns: what I sort of
• 46:33
  Jon: that there soon is cast in this movie.
• 46:36
  Kearns: amalgamation of how can we combine their DNA.
• 46:43
  Jon: Okay, so now we're on to people who did not like this at all.
• 46:48
  Half
• 46:48
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 46:50
  Jon: With a weak plot and an untalented new cast.
• 46:54
  This has to be the worst in this series, sir. You did not see three
• 46:59
  Ryan: Yeah, we did not
• 47:01
  Jon: have just made it about the main cast instead of trying to hand the torch
• 47:06
  to a new final girl who can't act at all.
• 47:11
  I think that,
• 47:11
  Ryan: have,
• 47:12
  Jon: that's, I
• 47:13
  Kearns: that might work on Monday or Tuesday, but I'm
• 47:15
  not taking that on Wednesday.
• 47:18
  No, sir.
• 47:19
  Jon: in this is fine.
• 47:20
  I like, it's not
• 47:21
  Kearns: It's got an Oscar winner.
• 47:23
  I mean it bent.
• 47:26
  Ryan: yes, it did.
• 47:28
  Jon: nobody's like level performance in this, but
• 47:33
  Kearns: No,
• 47:33
  Jon: bad enough that
• 47:35
  Kearns: no,
• 47:35
  Jon: untalented
• 47:37
  Kearns: got crazy acting jobs, even just death of a unicorn.
• 47:40
  we got to see her flex a little bit and stuff, and she's, she's great.
• 47:44
  Ryan: It's a starting point for a lot of them in this or bigger.
• 47:48
  Kearns: ignoring David Arquette right now and things like that.
• 47:51
  But ob obviously all the old cast members, we know what they
• 47:53
  can do, so we're not gonna spend
• 47:55
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Jon: absolutely.
• 47:56
  And one last half star review.
• 48:01
  These newer screen movies are horrible.
• 48:04
  They have barely any essence of the original trilogy, which was
• 48:09
  actually a quadri trilogy and don't really do anything to shake up
• 48:13
  the repetitive and tired formula.
• 48:17
  There are good moments here and there, but the majority of it is just fluff.
• 48:23
  The story is beyond contrived and the characters are painfully uninteresting.
• 48:29
  is the highlight, obviously, but we really don't see much of him.
• 48:33
  Just feels like a lazy attempt to cash in on the scream name.
• 48:37
  Kearns: I wrote that review everybody, just so you know.
• 48:40
  Ryan: You.
• 48:40
  Kearns: I.
• 48:41
  Jon: Like they, there's
• 48:42
  Kearns: I agree with everything he said.
• 48:45
  Jon: some valid points in there, but like to end with like, you don't
• 48:48
  see enough of Ghostface in this
• 48:50
  Kearns: Now you see,
• 48:51
  Ryan: You see him
• 48:51
  Kearns: more in Ghostface.
• 48:52
  Jon: think you
• 48:52
  Ryan: or she?
• 48:53
  Jon: as,
• 48:54
  Ryan: He, she.
• 48:55
  Kearns: yeah,
• 48:55
  Jon: much ghostface as you ever saw.
• 48:58
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 48:59
  I think
• 48:59
  Kearns: you just like, like Godzilla's not on screen enough and things like that.
• 49:03
  I, I get that, that one I'll give you guys, but the rest
• 49:05
  of it I really vibed with
• 49:09
  Ryan: I just,
• 49:10
  Kearns: Hollow character, same old stuff.
• 49:12
  Rehashed plot
• 49:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:15
  Ryan: it's the comfortability,
• 49:17
  Jon: yeah.
• 49:18
  Kearns: money comfortability.
• 49:20
  Ryan: sadly.
• 49:21
  But it brings in the viewers and people want it more.
• 49:25
  Jon: there are, there are good moments in a movie.
• 49:27
  It can't be a half star, a half star movie has to have
• 49:31
  nothing about it that you like.
• 49:34
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 49:34
  I don't think I, I can't give it a half star, but, alright.
• 49:39
  What do you, or is it our turn?
• 49:41
  Ryan: It is our turn.
• 49:42
  Kearns: I usually like to go last, but I think I'm gonna be,
• 49:44
  I'm gonna be that guy to set
• 49:45
  Ryan: No go first.
• 49:47
  Jon: Okay.
• 49:47
  Ryan: I wanna hear your view.
• 49:48
  Okay.
• 49:49
  Kearns: it's two stars because it's just, I just find that it painfully unoriginal
• 49:53
  to continue making these movies.
• 49:55
  I'm sure black phone will end up in the same spot soon and things like that.
• 50:00
  I just can't with this, how do you make seven movies eight movies
• 50:04
  off the freaking screen franchise?
• 50:06
  How do you even do that?
• 50:08
  We're not talking Fantasm here.
• 50:11
  Jon: How do you make 10?
• 50:12
  Jason Voes movies.
• 50:14
  Kearns: Exactly, but
• 50:15
  Ryan: Oh, that's excellent.
• 50:16
  Kearns: I don't know why, but I feel like that's okay.
• 50:19
  Like Leprechaun having as many movies is also okay, but this
• 50:23
  isn't, and I don't know why.
• 50:24
  I feel like it's because the first movie was a work of art and they destroy
• 50:29
  it after doing too many iterations.
• 50:31
  Two is passed more than Passable.
• 50:33
  It's a good movie too.
• 50:34
  And we already talked about three and four.
• 50:36
  Five is good.
• 50:37
  Of all the ones we've discussed, other than one, five is the best.
• 50:41
  It does all these things.
• 50:42
  Well, it gives you that nostalgic feeling other than watching one over again.
• 50:46
  I think five was my favorite.
• 50:48
  Ryan: Okay.
• 50:49
  Kearns: it's just, I'm so tired of it.
• 50:50
  That's Maine.
• 50:51
  I'm gonna stop with my curmudgeons.
• 50:53
  So two stars.
• 50:54
  Ryan: No, you're fair.
• 50:56
  Jon: that's fair.
• 50:57
  Ryan: That's fair.
• 50:58
  Jon: Ryan?
• 51:01
  Ryan: Four.
• 51:02
  The reason why is be I'll.
• 51:04
  Let me explain.
• 51:05
  You watch, you know, I'm a big fan.
• 51:08
  Halloween, I'll wave a flag for and scream.
• 51:11
  I, I do like scream.
• 51:13
  It's a guilty pleasure for some, of course that I won't rehash like we discussed.
• 51:17
  But you see the first one, you love it and the best thing is the second one.
• 51:22
  'cause three and four, don't hold up.
• 51:25
  So walking into it, I was like, ah, am I gonna see this?
• 51:29
  Am I not?
• 51:30
  And I waited and I saw it for $5 at Walmart.
• 51:33
  It was a Blu-ray.
• 51:34
  I said, I'm gonna give it a shot.
• 51:36
  And it, it exceeded my expectations and I was expecting something crappy.
• 51:43
  I was like, oh, it's gonna be like for, and it was fresh.
• 51:47
  You had new characters.
• 51:48
  There was legacy.
• 51:50
  The writing.
• 51:50
  The writing could have been better.
• 51:52
  There could have been moments that could have been better and
• 51:54
  changed, but it brought it back.
• 51:56
  And it's what
• 51:57
  Kearns: feel
• 51:58
  Ryan: film,
• 51:58
  Kearns: something more going on here, Ryan, where like
• 52:00
  Ryan: like
• 52:01
  Kearns: just cooked perfectly while you're watching.
• 52:04
  'cause you get a little lucky.
• 52:04
  Maybe in the middle of the movie Netflix asked you if you were
• 52:07
  still watching kind of thing.
• 52:09
  Ryan: I,
• 52:09
  Kearns: Like
• 52:09
  Ryan: I really,
• 52:10
  Kearns: happened.
• 52:10
  I feel like
• 52:11
  Ryan: I,
• 52:11
  Kearns: really good day that day
• 52:12
  Ryan: I really enjoy,
• 52:13
  Kearns: star movie.
• 52:15
  Ryan: I really enjoyed it.
• 52:16
  Um, I, I did, I feel like.
• 52:19
  Kearns: All right, fair enough.
• 52:22
  Jon: Great.
• 52:22
  I'm usually the high man here.
• 52:26
  I'm
• 52:26
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 52:26
  You are usually the Hyman.
• 52:28
  Ryan: Wait, what?
• 52:29
  Kearns: You're not the highman.
• 52:30
  Jon: one.
• 52:31
  Kearns: a little faster.
• 52:31
  Double speed real quick.
• 52:32
  Ah,
• 52:33
  Ryan: What was your rating?
• 52:34
  Jon: not the high man.
• 52:35
  Kearns: it is.
• 52:37
  Jon: I'm not the high man.
• 52:38
  Um, I'm
• 52:40
  Kearns: Isn't that a trophy you get for being good at football?
• 52:44
  Jon: I, yeah.
• 52:45
  Considering I usually go, like, I go into a movie expecting a 2.5 to a
• 52:50
  three, and you know it, it's based on how it meets or exceeds expectations.
• 52:58
  go about a 3.5.
• 53:00
  Ryan: Okay,
• 53:01
  Jon: It's about a c
• 53:02
  Kearns: Well, your eyes got awfully when he said four.
• 53:05
  I'm surprised you hit 3.5.
• 53:06
  I feel like you dragged him up, Ryan.
• 53:08
  Jon: I was between 3, 2 5 and three five.
• 53:11
  I went, I ga I, I'll go 3
• 53:19
  Ryan: a movie.
• 53:21
  Python.
• 53:21
  Everyone.
• 53:22
  Python.
• 53:23
  Kearns: Oh boy.
• 53:25
  Ana Boa versus Mega
• 53:25
  Jon: 3 0.5.
• 53:32
  It,
• 53:33
  Kearns: Alright guys.
• 53:34
  Jon: slightly exceeded my expectations, which admitted we
• 53:37
  were admittedly were kind of low.
• 53:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 53:41
  Yeah.
• 53:42
  Agreed.
• 53:43
  Agreed.
• 53:44
  Well this is Scream five everybody.
• 53:45
  So I hope you had a good time
• 53:47
  Ryan: And now we're getting it.
• 53:48
  Kearns: us.
• 53:49
  Ryan: Yeah, but we're,
• 53:50
  Kearns: hit our top fives in a second, unless we have any juicy tidbits
• 53:53
  before we roll into our top fives.
• 53:56
  Ryan: no, not really.
• 53:57
  We're gonna cover scream six next week, ladies and gentlemen.
• 53:59
  And we're going to New York City for that one.
• 54:02
  Kearns: I
• 54:02
  Ryan: They're going outta California.
• 54:03
  Oh, this is this more Gore closeup shots, shotguns.
• 54:09
  He's got a shotgun in this one.
• 54:11
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 54:12
  Ryan: yeah.
• 54:13
  But.
• 54:13
  Kearns: Ghostface needs Amendment privileges.
• 54:18
  Watching him run and fall is half the fun of the movie.
• 54:23
  Anyway.
• 54:24
  Anyway, all right.
• 54:26
  Ryan: so
• 54:27
  Kearns: minutes, Ryan.
• 54:27
  Go
• 54:28
  Ryan: top fives are sequels.
• 54:31
  That exceeded my expectations.
• 54:33
  I went and I haven't, I haven't covered any of these.
• 54:37
  Maybe.
• 54:38
  Kearns: for this episode, but sick.
• 54:40
  Ryan: Well, yeah, I, yeah, but this one was hard 'cause I, I didn't want repeats.
• 54:45
  'cause I can mention Hell Racer two.
• 54:46
  I can mention
• 54:47
  Kearns: movies
• 54:48
  Ryan: two I No, but I wanna give it some fresh, there is one movie I, I
• 54:53
  am re quoting 'cause I do like it.
• 54:55
  But I'm gonna start off with Kern's favorite, uh, movie franchise.
• 55:02
  Kearns: Perfectly timed.
• 55:03
  It's almost like I did it.
• 55:06
  It's almost like I did it myself.
• 55:08
  Ryan: I wasn't gonna say bring her back.
• 55:10
  Thank you very much.
• 55:11
  I was gonna say child play too, because.
• 55:14
  it's a sequel that exceeded my expectation.
• 55:17
  'cause you see the first one, you go through the whole thing.
• 55:19
  He gets, you know, transfers his soul to a doll Chucky played by Brad Dur.
• 55:25
  And then you start off with the sequel, them creating a new doll
• 55:29
  with his blood and it's blood.
• 55:32
  And, you know, he gets reanimated and watching it as a kid, I
• 55:39
  was like, okay, this is cool.
• 55:41
  But like, I don't understand why this would make sense.
• 55:44
  Like I kinda get it, like you have to bring him back.
• 55:47
  But as I grew older, I have more of a respect for it and it exceeded 'cause it's
• 55:52
  like he's still doing what he's doing.
• 55:53
  It was,
• 55:54
  Kearns: seconds for your other four movies.
• 55:56
  Ryan: it was a great comeback and it's a great film.
• 55:59
  Plus Don Mancini wrote and directed again.
• 56:02
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 56:03
  Ryan: that leads to my number four.
• 56:05
  My next sequel to Exceed Expectations is final destination too.
• 56:10
  I. The first one, you see it.
• 56:13
  Death is everywhere.
• 56:14
  So how do you do the second one?
• 56:15
  How do you exceed the expectations?
• 56:17
  You have a frigging log scene that lives with you for the rest of your life.
• 56:21
  When you travel to Taconic 84, anywhere there's a highway, like
• 56:26
  Kearns: I
• 56:26
  Ryan: it's
• 56:26
  Kearns: He could live anywhere people, not just those two
• 56:29
  roadways where they intersect, but
• 56:30
  Ryan: Route 66,
• 56:32
  Kearns: Yeah, there it is.
• 56:33
  Ryan: you know, like
• 56:34
  Kearns: Docs,
• 56:35
  Ryan: you,
• 56:35
  Kearns: docs, Ryan.
• 56:38
  Ryan: I got a classic on that.
• 56:39
  But again, like death is following them and they change it up.
• 56:43
  There's different scenes that kind of, as a viewer you're like, oh
• 56:46
  crap, they're getting creative.
• 56:48
  But the lock scene in the beginning still sticks, which leads to my number three.
• 56:53
  How do you exceed a Dracula movie from 1934 with Bella Lago?
• 56:59
  You make a sequel in 1936 called Dracula's Daughter and.
• 57:03
  It exceeds my expectation.
• 57:05
  Again, I watch a lot of the universal horror films as a kid because you
• 57:08
  see Bella LA goes, you see Dracula like this is like the main villain.
• 57:12
  How can you surpass that?
• 57:13
  And they do that by creating a villain who doesn't wanna be a villain.
• 57:18
  She tries to burn her father's body after his death to cure her Vampirism.
• 57:23
  And that's the whole thing.
• 57:24
  Like she doesn't want to be a vampire and she's succumbing to the blood lust.
• 57:28
  And it's also big for that time because it's a first L-B-G-Q-T
• 57:35
  movie because she's a lesbian.
• 57:37
  And that wasn't very, that wasn't heard of, that wasn't shown on film.
• 57:41
  And Universal took the chance and made this film.
• 57:43
  And it's, it's an underrated classic that I recommend people to watch.
• 57:48
  Number two, I'll be quick.
• 57:50
  It's son of Frankenstein.
• 57:51
  It's the third film in the Frankenstein series.
• 57:54
  Came out in 1939 starring Basil Rathbone as the son of Frankenstein, bringing
• 58:00
  back the monster, played by Boris Karloff because of I Gore played by Bella Lago.
• 58:06
  exceeding expectations.
• 58:07
  'cause you see the first two, it's a great, two great.
• 58:11
  And then you see the third one, you're like, how are they gonna do this?
• 58:14
  And they bring the monster back.
• 58:16
  And the ending is very memorable, because of the castle falling
• 58:21
  that simple, universal.
• 58:23
  And then they do ghost, but it doesn't hit like sun.
• 58:28
  And that leads to number one, doctor sleep.
• 58:32
  Oh, come on.
• 58:32
  I'm not that bad.
• 58:34
  Kearns: These are, these are really cool.
• 58:35
  Actually.
• 58:35
  The last two are really cool.
• 58:37
  Ryan: Thank you,
• 58:37
  Kearns: is a cool one, man.
• 58:39
  Ryan: uh, exceed expectations.
• 58:41
  'cause uh, I know how the regular novel ends and how the new,
• 58:46
  the, the novel Dr. Sleep is.
• 58:48
  I was wondering how they were going to kind of tie the book in
• 58:51
  as well as with Kubrick's Fish, which Flanagan does amazingly.
• 58:55
  And it was, I wasn't expecting it to be good.
• 58:59
  And it was, it was.
• 59:01
  And I love the knots, the original, like Kubrick's vision and The Shining
• 59:05
  and what he Flanagan does with the, the, the book and including that.
• 59:10
  It was just a nice blend.
• 59:12
  But these are all the seagulls that exceeded.
• 59:14
  Sorry, you know me, I got a lot of passionate
• 59:16
  Jon: And, and Mike Flanagan has kind of become the official Stephen King adapter
• 59:22
  Ryan: Oh yeah.
• 59:23
  Dark tower, right?
• 59:24
  He's doing Dark Tower.
• 59:25
  Kearns: It
• 59:26
  Ryan: Carrie,
• 59:26
  Jon: for pointing that out.
• 59:28
  Ryan: Carrie.
• 59:30
  Jon: Um, he's doing the, he's got the mist.
• 59:32
  He's like, he's the official,
• 59:34
  Kearns: The mist was good.
• 59:37
  Jon: official Stephen King adapter at this point.
• 59:40
  Ryan: And that's because he just did one.
• 59:42
  Well, he's done a few miniseries, but him doing midnight mass, I feel sealed.
• 59:46
  His deal.
• 59:46
  'cause midnight mass is basically Salem's lot
• 59:49
  Kearns: It
• 59:49
  Ryan: in a nutshell.
• 59:50
  Kearns: It is
• 59:50
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Kearns: another imagining of Salem's lot.
• 59:53
  Yeah, it's great.
• 59:54
  It's
• 59:54
  Ryan: oh yeah.
• 59:55
  Kearns: its own though.
• 59:55
  It's not, yeah, I mean it's just enough si.
• 59:58
  The similarities are there and everything, and we love it.
• 1:00:00
  We love the fact that it is what it is and it is what it isn't and all that stuff.
• 1:00:03
  It's great.
• 1:00:05
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:05
  Kearns: Midnight mass is wonderful.
• 1:00:06
  Jon: go back to, uh, top five topic that I've done before, but
• 1:00:11
  with different movies because it's kind of an endless topic.
• 1:00:15
  and it's, five More Academy Award winners in horror.
• 1:00:19
  Kearns: Ooh, five more.
• 1:00:21
  Okay.
• 1:00:21
  Jon: Five more.
• 1:00:22
  So since we have Mikey Madison, who won best Actors for an Nora in
• 1:00:26
  Scream Five, I'm gonna go with this.
• 1:00:29
  Uh, so we're gonna start in 1994 with a movie that stars Jack
• 1:00:35
  Nicholson, who has won Academy Awards.
• 1:00:37
  For one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest terms of endearment and about
• 1:00:41
  Schmidt and Christopher Plummer who won for beginners and it's wolf.
• 1:00:47
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:00:48
  Good.
• 1:00:49
  Jon: after accidentally hitting a wolf while driving Will Randall stops to check
• 1:00:53
  on the animal when it, it bites him, he gets some rabies shots, but definitely
• 1:00:58
  needed way more vaccinations as the true nature of the beast is revealed.
• 1:01:04
  Kearns: That movie's actually, holds up pretty well too.
• 1:01:07
  I watched Wolf again somewhat recently.
• 1:01:10
  Ryan: I gotta check it out.
• 1:01:11
  I haven't seen it since the nineties.
• 1:01:13
  Jon: Yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Ryan: I, oh no, I watched it.
• 1:01:16
  Jon: It
• 1:01:16
  Ryan: I watched it.
• 1:01:17
  Jon: I've seen it.
• 1:01:19
  Ryan: It's like, which is an eastwick?
• 1:01:21
  Jon: yep.
• 1:01:21
  So number four, we're going to just go back to 2019 for a movie that stars.
• 1:01:28
  I hope I get the name right.
• 1:01:29
  I've been practicing it and I still don't think I've nailed it.
• 1:01:32
  It stars Ngo,
• 1:01:35
  Ryan: No, that's good.
• 1:01:36
  Jon: who, who won for, um, 12 years a Slave and it's little monsters.
• 1:01:41
  a musician, a school teacher, and a TV personality must come together
• 1:01:45
  to protect a group of field tripping children from a zombie outbreak.
• 1:01:50
  Kearns: They were tripping.
• 1:01:51
  Jon: Yep.
• 1:01:52
  Field tripping.
• 1:01:53
  Like it's, it's, this is a fun one.
• 1:01:56
  It's like, it doesn't do anything significant, but it, it's a fun diversion.
• 1:02:02
  They do a nice job with it.
• 1:02:04
  It's funny.
• 1:02:05
  It's, it, it works.
• 1:02:08
  my number three, we're gonna go back to 1976 Betty Davis is in this one.
• 1:02:15
  She won Oscars for Jezebel and Dangerous, and it's burnt offerings.
• 1:02:21
  Ryan: Oh, okay.
• 1:02:23
  Jon: So, Betty Davis in her eyes starring this one.
• 1:02:26
  a family moves into an old countryside mansion only to find their new home.
• 1:02:31
  Contains an evil presence that may not let them leave.
• 1:02:37
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:02:37
  Jon: a, there's a pretty cool cast in this.
• 1:02:40
  a lot of like horror luminaries and cool cult actors and stuff.
• 1:02:46
  Definitely a fun watch.
• 1:02:47
  Definitely worth it.
• 1:02:48
  number two is another twofer.
• 1:02:50
  We're gonna go to 1995 where we get Ben Kingsley, who won for Gandhi.
• 1:02:58
  Forrest Whitaker who won for the last King of Scotland, coincidentally
• 1:03:03
  two biopics, and it's species.
• 1:03:07
  Kearns: Great
• 1:03:07
  Ryan: Oh my God.
• 1:03:08
  I.
• 1:03:10
  Jon: Yep.
• 1:03:10
  Kearns: Uh, another one that like, don't let your 12-year-old watch
• 1:03:12
  that, or you're gonna have problems.
• 1:03:17
  Jon: more than nightmares.
• 1:03:18
  Kearns: Yep.
• 1:03:19
  Jon: scientists attempt to catch a, a female alien who is attempting to
• 1:03:22
  mate with a male human and breed more monstrous, seductive, sexy aliens.
• 1:03:28
  you also get Michelle Williams in this one who's was nominated for a bunch
• 1:03:33
  of, academy Awards, but has not won.
• 1:03:36
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 1:03:37
  Ryan: Uh,
• 1:03:39
  Jon: And my number one is an actress.
• 1:03:41
  I know we've all been sort of off the show raving about, and we go to
• 1:03:48
  2009 this movie, it's Emma Stone.
• 1:03:52
  Ryan: okay.
• 1:03:52
  Jon: Who is one for poor things in la la land and it's zombie land.
• 1:03:57
  Kearns: Zombieland, she's like royalty at this point.
• 1:04:00
  When you're looking at her catalog and how it's growing, she's just crushing it.
• 1:04:04
  Jon: yep.
• 1:04:05
  Ryan: And it start?
• 1:04:05
  Jon: 15, 15 years or 16 years ago, she's making zombie land.
• 1:04:10
  Kearns: it's wild.
• 1:04:12
  Ryan: Then.
• 1:04:12
  Kearns: was 15 years ago.
• 1:04:13
  Jesus,
• 1:04:14
  Jon: I mean 17 2009 is
• 1:04:17
  Ryan: Ah.
• 1:04:18
  Jon: ago already.
• 1:04:18
  Yes.
• 1:04:19
  so four survivors of a zombie apocalypse traveled cross country
• 1:04:22
  to the promised safe haven of Pacific Palisades Amusement Park.
• 1:04:28
  the cast of zombie land is really I mean aside from zombies and like little bit
• 1:04:33
  rolls, it's really five actors and all five have Academy Award dominations.
• 1:04:39
  Ryan: Yeah, they did.
• 1:04:41
  Jon: Did you have Jesse Eisenberg?
• 1:04:43
  have Emma Stone, you have Woody Harrelson, uh, Abigail Breslin, and the big bm,
• 1:04:50
  Ryan: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:50
  Bill Murray?
• 1:04:51
  Jon: Murray.
• 1:04:52
  Kearns: bill Murray, God rest his soul.
• 1:04:54
  Jon: all.
• 1:04:55
  Ryan: No, he's still alive.
• 1:04:56
  Kearns: Oh, all right.
• 1:04:57
  Not like Tim Curry.
• 1:04:58
  Got it.
• 1:04:59
  Ryan: Don't, he's still alive too.
• 1:05:00
  Kearns: Oh,
• 1:05:01
  Ryan: Oh.
• 1:05:01
  Kearns: Good, good, good, good, good.
• 1:05:02
  Actually, I'm not even gonna joke about Bill Murray 'cause like Tim Curry's
• 1:05:04
  Ill and whatnot, and it could happen and we'd be like, all right, well,
• 1:05:07
  you know, he was sick for a long time.
• 1:05:08
  Bill Murray goes, it's gonna be a national tragedy.
• 1:05:13
  Ryan: You see him on hot ones recently.
• 1:05:14
  Real quick.
• 1:05:15
  Kearns: It was funny as hell
• 1:05:17
  Ryan: They didn't train the gopher.
• 1:05:19
  It was just a wild animal.
• 1:05:21
  Kearns: dunk his teeth into my flesh through the, through the mesh
• 1:05:24
  on my, my steal links in my glove.
• 1:05:27
  Anyway.
• 1:05:28
  All right, Great.
• 1:05:31
  Top fives
• 1:05:32
  Ryan: That was great.
• 1:05:33
  Kearns: in a timely manner.
• 1:05:34
  Delivered in a timely manner.
• 1:05:36
  Might I add You're a gentleman, sir.
• 1:05:39
  Ryan: That's, I, I, I, you know, I try to get the crevices and stuff.
• 1:05:45
  I'm like putting cement down.
• 1:05:46
  Kearns: a good crevice.
• 1:05:47
  All right, everybody.
• 1:05:48
  That's gonna be zino mania for tonight.
• 1:05:51
  Ryan's like, God damnit.
• 1:05:53
  All right everybody, we'll catch you next time for Scream six.
• 1:05:57
  Ryan: Have a good one.
• 1:05:59
  Jon: Hey.
• 1:05:59
  Uh,