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Cowardly School Teachers & the War on Children — Mike Fairclough Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 1:24
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. You'd probably agree with me when I say that 2024 is gonna be a rough year. We can probably expect some kind of lockdowns, new mandates, new vaccines being rolled out in addition to all kinds of craziness happening with the Southern Border and here on American soil. But one thing we can't lose sight of is our role as adults, as men, women, parents, grandparents, especially when it comes to protecting the children.
• 2:00
  If you look back at what's happened the last couple of years, it's very clear that there was a distinct and very focused psychological operation with the aim of destroying our children, especially with the masking and the vaccines, but even the masking and the psychological damage and the growth stunting, emotionally, physically, everything has happened to our kids. And we have to ask ourselves, where do we stand? What's the line that we won't allow someone to cross before we actually do something? And I think that a lot of us hopefully will be very proactive in speaking out, especially when it comes to young children. But it's always great for us to have examples of people who have done that fearlessly.
• 2:40
  And so joining us today is an incredible man coming to us from The UK, whose name is Mike Fairclough, and he is a UK Headmaster. He was running one of the most successful schools in The UK, and he spoke out. He refused to comply. He refused to put his children through these terrible mandates, and he has since lost his job and suffered significantly, but he will not back down. And to me, he is an incredible example of how we can have the courage to stand up against the tyranny.
• 3:12
  So people, folks, please enjoy this interview with Mike Fairclough. So Mike, thank you for joining me from across the pond. It's good to have you on the show.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for inviting me.
• 3:25
  Seth Holehouse: So as we head into 2024, which is election here in America, which was the similar timing of when COVID first rolled out, you know, in, you know, leading up to the election in 2020, I would safely say that we're going to see a massive increase in psychological operations, attempted lockdowns, just all kinds of terrible things happening in society. And I think that while it's really bad, it's also an opportunity for us to show where is our line? What are we willing to sacrifice to stand up for what's good? And, you know, part of this show is in Made in America, obviously digging in and finding the truth of certain topics and exposing certain ideas that people don't want to really think about maybe or people can't find elsewhere. But another big part of it is finding people like yourself that I think are incredible examples for how to act, especially in the face of threats and in the face of tyranny.
• 4:30
  And I'll bring up just to get the the kind of conversation started this recent tweet from you where you said, I am the only UK Head Teacher to have publicly opposed the COVID vaccines for children, not because others didn't feel the same way as me, but because they were scared to speak out. So let's just go ahead and start and walk us through a little bit of your story and your background as a headmaster and how you approach that, but also then how that ties into your actions during COVID and really your will and courage to protect children?
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I have been in the education profession for thirty years and twenty years of that I've been a head teacher or headmaster, or you can call me a school principal. I have previously enjoyed a really successful career in a very successful school and had really favorable mainstream media coverage. I'm well known for teaching the children at my school to shoot four ten shotguns, air rifles, teach them countryside living. We had a like a massive farm at the school, 120 acres with a with a unusually a herd of water buffalo, which we looked after.
• 5:54
  And, know, I mean, I could do anything really. And the establishment would come out in complete support for me, including something called Ofsted, which is The UK's School Inspectorate. So even when I was teaching the kids to shoot guns and all of that kind of stuff, they were like, yeah, fantastic. And the same went for my local authority, my employer. The Health and Safety Executive, which is the overarching health and safety governing body for the whole of The UK, They came out in support.
• 6:30
  Fabulous reviews in The Times, The Guardian, The Telegraph, you name it. And I could do no wrong, even though what I was doing was quite innovative and unusual for The United Kingdom. I think partly because the general public really enjoyed the way that I taught the children. And it was all about ultimately about resilience and getting children outside and promoting their imagination, etc, etc. Now, when the pandemic hit, when it first happened, I remember Boris Johnson.
• 7:13
  I was listening to my radio in the car, was driving along. And Boris Johnson said, many of us will lose loved ones. And at that point, it wasn't clear whether COVID was going to affect everyone indiscriminately, or it would affect certain groups more than others. We now know, and we found out very early on actually, that it was going to affect the most vulnerable and elderly, clinically vulnerable, etc, and not children. But for the first few weeks that wasn't clear.
• 7:44
  So I heard that message and I was immediately concerned. And I thought, Okay, I think I need to tell the parents at my school that if they want to keep their children at home until we know what's going on, they're welcome to do so. So the following day, I sent a message to the parents at my school and gave that message. And interestingly, my biggest opponents now, following what became my anti lockdown stance and anti masks and opposing and questioning the vaccine rollout to children, Those people were against me closing my school. The reason being was that that wasn't the official narrative.
• 8:27
  The official narrative was like, oh, hold tight. Just don't worry. Everything will be Okay. And I just thought, well, no, I'm not going to wait around because I'd be watching these now debunked videos from China of people falling down dead in the street and stuff. I just thought I need to do something.
• 8:41
  Anyway, various children left. Or six days later, there was a national school closure. And a week later after that, many of my children returned. And in lockdowns, I had 150 out of three sixty children in the school, on the school site, including on my 20 acres and about 30 out of my 60 members of staff. And it took about four weeks from the initial announcement that many of us will lose loved ones to me just looking on the ground and talking to people who worked in the NHS, etc, to see, oh, right, okay, so people aren't falling down dead in the street.
• 9:30
  And then we were also told by the Chief Medical Officer for England, Chris Witty, that children were at extremely low risk of serious illness from COVID. So I just thought, okay, great, let's just crack on then, get everyone back in the school. And you know, what are we doing? It's like, fair enough. We had to lock down first of all, but let's just kind of reopen and and and crack on.
• 9:54
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• 9:56
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, have a quick message for you. 2024 is do or die for the globalists communists that want to absolutely destroy America. And one of the number one things they're gonna be targeting is our financial system, whether it's through bank collapses or a financial collapse or the market collapsing. Whatever it is, they will try to do anything possible to force us into their central bank digital currency because that's what gives them absolute and total control. And so if you have money sitting in a bank account, savings, four zero one k, stock market, etcetera, those are all vulnerable to these attacks.
• 10:25
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• 11:03
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• 11:35
  Speaker 2: I started to voice make that voice my opinion. And suddenly, all of the people who were against me closing the school initially were totally against me saying that we should reopen the economy. Because at this point I was also thinking, right, okay, so closing down the economy is going to have an effect on all of us in the in the long run, and particularly the most vulnerable, including children. And it was not long after that that the it was clear that there was going to be some kind of roll out to children with the vaccine. So the vaccine was rolled out to adults.
• 12:17
  And then there were whispers about it dropping down through the cohorts, the age cohorts. And I thought, right, Okay, so I'm sure other head teachers and school principals will start to question this about the merits of vaccinating children against a virus, which we've been told by the officials poses them very low risk. And with a medication which at the time had no medium and still no long term safety data, that wouldn't fit well with me at all. And I'm sure that would be the same with colleagues. And anyway, I started to comment on this on social media, and it was mainly on Twitter, but also Facebook.
• 13:10
  But Twitter was my main platform at the time. And then shortly after that, there was a complaint, an anonymous whistleblowing complaint against me for opposing lockdowns and for questioning the merits of the COVID vaccine rollout to children. That was followed by an independent investigation, which was commissioned by my employer into my conduct. And the investigation concluded that I had a right to free speech. I wasn't saying anything illegal.
• 13:43
  I was saying things in my own time in the evenings and the weekends, etc. So I could carry on. So I thought, okay, that was a bit uncomfortable. Bearing in mind, remember, I'd already taken kids shooting with guns. I teach every single child in my school to light fires and use knives, etcetera.
• 13:59
  You know, I'd expect complaints about that, but no, I didn't ever get any complaints about that. But bizarrely, you know, in my, what I considered to be very moderate, calm and balanced views regarding the COVID vaccines for children came under attack and also my views regarding lockdown. So I thought, Okay, it's a bit weird, but never mind, moved on. And then shortly after that, a few months later, because I continued to campaign, because I thought, Okay, at this point, I was aware that I was the only head teacher saying anything about the COVID vaccines, which what I found really troubling and very, very odd. And we can talk about that shortly.
• 14:46
  So I thought, okay, it's down to me, even though I didn't feel like it was any my area of expertise, I was just going on the bare basics of the following points, which I'll just mention. So I would always say children are at extremely low risk of serious illness from COVID. The COVID vaccines pose known risks. There's no medium at the time and still no long term safety data for the COVID vaccines. And then shortly after that, I was able to say a child can still catch and spread COVID when vaccinated against the virus.
• 15:19
  Therefore, in my personal opinion, and I'd always caveat it with it in my personal opinion, the risks outweigh the benefits. And I was always just thinking, you know, I just want to be able to give my parents some sort of idea of informed consent. And that's as much as I could offer them. So anyway, there was a second investigation. Sorry, second complaint, and this was about my opposition to the COVID vaccines for children.
• 15:48
  Again, I was investigated, but it was a bit more kind of hardcore this time as a whole day of an independent investigator, a different one looking into my conduct, concluding that I had done nothing wrong at the end of it and had to write free speech, etc. And then last December, there was a third and final investigation. And this one was again about my opposition to the COVID vaccines for children, I had articulated on social media. At this point, by the way, I'd already been permanently banned from Twitter one, following multiple suspensions. Because each time I was suspended, I'll just come back on and say the same thing.
• 16:35
  So I just thought, I've got to get this message out. This is getting really worrying. As I was seeing the age being dropped and dropped and dropped and dropped. And in The UK, there was also the for the 12 to 15 year olds, they were told that they could be vaccinated in their schools without parental permission. And again, not a single head or school principal, bear in mind they work with children, said anything about it.
• 17:08
  And I just thought this is absolutely appalling what's going on. So, and then on this third one, I was also reported to the Department for Education's, which is the government Department for Education's counter extremism division. So I was cast as an extremist for my views. Bearing in mind, I want to emphasise that all of my messaging had been aligned to as much as I could mainstream media messaging, which supported my view. Because I was always thinking, right, I want to try and reach people who are undecided or who've got a different view to my own.
• 17:48
  There's no point in going full power on the kind of sort of trying to red pill everyone in one kind of hit. You've got to do things in a really kind of moderate and calm manner to be able to just those four points that I mentioned before, mention those and see if that can persuade people. And it certainly did. But anyway, I was also reported to the UK inspectorate of said and to multiple other organisations. And for me, that was the last straw.
• 18:21
  And I just thought, no, this isn't right. I'm going to do something about it. So I have since resigned, well, constructively dismissed myself from my position. I'm taking my employer to court next year, five days listed in court. And yeah, I think this whole matter of free speech within the workplace, not it doesn't matter if somebody's got a completely different view to my own.
• 18:49
  If it's lawful free speech, and this was even in my own time and within my field of expertise, I. E. Children, then it should be allowed to happen without it being stifled. So, yeah, that's the background to my situation.
• 19:07
  Seth Holehouse: It's just so maddening because I imagine well, so, I mean, now we know with the vaccine, we've got turbo cancer, we've got myocarditis, we've got kids, young children tragically dying. I think wasn't even I think it was in Israel, the young boy that was like the vaccine poster child ended up dying, I think of heart conditions or had a stroke or something, you know, young kid. So we now have so much evidence for anyone who's willing to look just like an inch outside of the mainstream narrative, they can find overwhelming evidence that this does, in fact, harm children and is far, far more likely to harm or kill them than COVID itself, which is, you know, I mean, it was it was a really a glorified flu here in America. Look the numbers of it. And but if you if you take a step back and think, okay, with this vaccine, let's say it was something else.
• 20:07
  Let's just say that it was a mystery drink. And you know, these strange people would show up and they'd make every child drink it, and say one out of five hundred kids would just drop dead instantly. And five of those five hundred kids over the next two months would develop a disease. And the teachers knew that they'd be so up in arms about it, that even at the chance of a risk, they'd be so up in arms yet. Here we are.
• 20:35
  And I think people, whether they know it, or there's this subconscious feeling that it's bad. They're not doing anything.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So I think using your example, I think they would only do something about it if they were given permission to do so. That's the conclusion I've reached. So The former health secretary for The UK was a guy called Matt Hancock, who was a bit like your Anthony Fauci. And he wrote a incredibly self indulgent book post pandemic called The Pandemic Diaries co authored with a mainstream media journalist called Isabel Ochashot, who works for a newspaper called The Telegraph, which has been actually quite balanced for mainstream outlets. And this is a major and respected newspaper, by the way.
• 21:43
  They've been quite balanced about COVID vaccines, particularly regarding the rollout to children, which has been challenged by another great journalist working for The Telegraph called Alison Pearson. And I just want to credit as well, another journalist called Molly Kingsley as well, who's spoken out and managed to stay in the mainstream and not being kind of blacklisted for doing so. But yeah, so he wrote this book and within the book, which is co authored by Isabel Oakeshott, she was able to extricate from him some really important information. And part of that was that the revelation that the UK government had repurposed the intelligence agencies away from your traditional terrorists such as ISIS and Al Qaeda, etcetera, towards what they viewed as domestic extremists. And what they defined that as anyone who was challenging or questioning the official government narrative on COVID.
• 22:53
  So people like me. And in fact, a freedom of information request that I submitted to the UK government revealed that I've been monitored by the counter disinformation unit and an arm of the military known as the seventy seventh Brigade for saying the following, which was that I have a legal duty to safeguard children against harm and that I feel that the COVID vaccines are posed as safeguarding risk to children. And that was enough for me to be monitored by the intelligence agencies and completely banned from Twitter one. So there was this kind of covert military grade sort of surveillance of the British public going on. There was also a multi million pound media advertising campaign on this kind of whole now debunked safe and effective mantra.
• 23:59
  And then there were two elements which I really do feel are relevant. One, this idea of mass formation psychosis. So everyone around you doing stuff and then just thinking, well, if they're all doing it, then it must be fine. And also the Milgram experiment. So the idea of somebody in authority telling somebody to do something, and even if it really goes against your core values, doing it simply because somebody in authority is doing it, even though in the Milgram experiment, it turns out that person is not a real scientist at all.
• 24:35
  But then there's another side of it. So that's for the people who've been like coerced and duped in because of the SIOP. Then there's a lot of people. And I include my former colleagues, head teacher colleagues and school principal colleagues who knew that there was something wrong. And many of them spoke to me about it personally and said, oh, wow, I really agree with what you're saying.
• 25:03
  But I just can't say anything because if I say something, then I might lose my job and I might lose my house start, I can't do that. Those people knew that there was something wrong and stayed silent out of fear of reprisals. Now, I get that because the multiple levels at which I've been, I've had my life affected in terms of my reputation, my career, my relationships, finances, future work prospects, etcetera. There's multiple, multiple things. I call it the unofficial social credit system of Great Britain, right?
• 25:43
  It's like if you speak out about controversial subjects, then you're going to take a hit. However, if you work with children, surely there has to be a red line when it comes to safeguarding children against harm. If deliver milk or you're a librarian or I don't know, you dig up potatoes for a living or something, might be able to kind of cut you a pass and go, fair enough, it's not your bag. But if you work with children and you undergo annual safeguarding training, which we all have to do, then you not only have a moral duty to do something and speak out about potential harms to children, but you also have a legal duty to protect children and to safeguard them against harm. And I'm appalled and shocked and saddened that many of my colleagues, well, 20,000 plus head teachers and school principals said nothing and I was the only one.
• 26:43
  And it's not courage, it's simply doing my job. And so I think that what moving forward, what we really need to do is to empower other people, individuals, to find the inner strength to be able to express their opinion about politically sensitive, culturally sensitive, off limits topics. And could be a view which is totally different to mine, completely opposite to mine, but which within their circles, within their relationship, within their workplace, whatever is considered taboo. What do we need to do in order to empower adults and children alike to be able to stand their ground, say, in a moderate and unconfrontational way, look, this is what I think. What do you think?
• 27:38
  And it feels like the last three years has really eroded that, you know, that that kind of free speech landscape has has receded considerably.
• 27:50
  Seth Holehouse: Hey, folks. I have quick message for you. Thank you so much for watching listening to this interview. I have one small request. If you're enjoying what you're listening to, could you please share this interview with one person?
• 28:03
  Just one person. Because of censorship and shadow banning, it's so hard to get this content out to more people. And the only way we can really do it is when you help by sharing it. So if you like what you're listening to, hit pause, share it with one person. It helps so much.
• 28:16
  Thank you so much. You know, it really reminds me of 1984. And and this the idea of be changing speech, rewriting history, but getting it to a point where even people's thoughts are controlled. And we know that that's, you know, really where the control of speech leads. Because when you can no longer speak it, eventually you no longer think it.
• 28:44
  And that's when there's a prison on the mind that every totalitarian could only dream of. And, and that's, that's the concerning part to me is actually not is obviously, there's censorship, there's canceling, there's that social credit score. But to me, the most destructive is the self censorship, where, you know, in America, we're approaching Thanksgiving in a couple of weeks where traditionally is a time that you get together with family and growing up, it's the time when, you know, the uncles would drink a little bit, and they'd be yelling over what sport team was gonna win. I mean, that was it's that kind of it's time for that debate or say it was a, you know, you know, which which president was a better president or, know, you know, these kinds of arguments. And this is a time where America oftentimes sits down and you see your extended family, and you have these conversations, and maybe you hash things out.
• 29:35
  And if if someone brought the the spiced up eggnog to the event, then, you know, that really loosens everyone's lips a little bit. And but it's the the problem, and this is what really concerns me. I think this is actually was absolutely one of their goals of the psychological operation, is making it so that people will no longer even say anything. And that's the that's the worrying part. And so to me, that's where we have to focus.
• 30:03
  How do we break that? Right? We can't stop Facebook from putting you in Facebook jail if you share certain We can't stop those things. What we can stop is our own self censorship. And so for someone that say they have a kid, right, you know, I've got a three year old daughter, I've got another one on the way.
• 30:22
  I would never allow her to spend even one minute behind a mask. I would just, I would not allow it. Like to me, it's a violation of my child. It goes against my core being as a father. And I would not allow that.
• 30:38
  But I know that for a lot of people, though, even here in America, they might have thought that, but they kind of had to allow it because the reasons I've heard is that, well, I'm, you know, we're both working two jobs, and we can't afford childcare. And if they take my kid out of school, what do I do? And there's all these different reasons built up that become the excuses we tell ourselves as to why we allow this gagging of our children as one example, the masks. I know you're very in strong opposition to that. So for that person that is in that situation, what's your advice to them?
• 31:15
  Like if their own child or their, you know, the children within their their social circle are being subjected to, you know, I think is psychological torture is fundamentally what the masks are all about.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: What So so so I've really looked into this very deeply. I feel like I'm still working things out in terms of how to to to understand the mechanism to empower others. And if I may, I've started a substack recently a couple of months ago, which you can find Mike Fairclough Substack. And I've put this into a series which isn't concluded yet because I'm still kind of working this out. But I, in the depths of the darkest times journey for me, and they have been dark because I've basically lost everything that I built up over thirty years.
• 32:24
  And I've had multiple detects. As I said, I've been accused of extremism and had all sorts of things like chucked at me. Happily, I think things are turning a corner because I've also had, I mentioned The Telegraph. I was interviewed by The Telegraph three weeks ago on there. It's called The Planet Normal podcast.
• 32:48
  And this is with Alison Pearson and Leon Heligan and hugely respected journalists with contacts in Westminster, etcetera. And they gave me a platform for half an hour to talk about my campaigning and the vaccine rollout to children. And it's the most balanced mainstream media, UK based coverage of that topic that to date is absolutely incredible. So it's turning. But when I was really in the depths of things and just thinking, this is extraordinary, I've done my job and I've been attacked for it.
• 33:28
  What I need to do is to be able to say to friends, colleagues and family members, you need to be able to find your voice, not just to be able to agree with me, to talk about any matter, which because already I noticing that people were talking in hushed tones about all sorts of things from gender ideology to other aspects of the pandemic. More recently, with the atrocities that happened in Israel, I've had a very, very dear friend of mine, a Jewish lady who's in fact, she's my twin daughter's plastics tutor. And she has said that her rabbi has told her not to wear her Star of David out in the streets of Britain. And I've had this conversation with some friends and family and said, you know, this is awful. This is like, you know, that's like anti what's going on is really anti Semitic.
• 34:33
  By the way, this Jewish lady is anti establishment. She's anti the Israeli regime. She's very pro peace. She's got friends with Palestinian Israeli, etc. She's like she's, you know, there's and remember in Israel, there's a huge, huge freedom movement and huge resistance movement against, you know, lockdowns, etc.
• 34:54
  So so, you know, like, there's this idea that everyone's like, like anti Muslim or so it's just nonsense, just like such a divide and rule thing. But when I've mentioned that to people, they've whispered about it, just like they whisper about gender ideology, etc. Or the vaccine rollout to children. And they will always say, look, I'm worried about this stuff, but I'm not going to say anything because I could be de platformed from social media or it will have an impact on job, my field of work. I can't talk about controversial subjects.
• 35:32
  I can't afford to lose my house, etcetera, etcetera. Now these are all real concerns. But where is an individual's red line? Now for me, it was the vaccine rollout to children because I've got a 26 year old, a 19 year old and two six year old twin daughters. So I've got young kids like you have.
• 35:52
  And I look at them and I think, right, I have a duty to look after them. Plus at the time, had three sixty five children who were between the ages of seven and 11 who were in my care. So I had a legal and a moral duty to protect those children. But it seems that people will put their core values to one side in order to kind of protect themselves. Self preservation becomes the dominant force instead of self sacrifice for the greater good.
• 36:24
  So I thought, and that you could see this on my Sub Sack, started. I've got a real interest in mythology and the idea of the hero's journey. And Joseph Campbell writes about this in the hero with a thousand faces and talks about this idea, which is well known and which has been used in multiple books, including like the Star Wars trilogy, etc, of the reluctant hero. So feeling that resistance, which we all feel when we're just about to talk about something controversial and kind of off limits, feeling, oh, surely it's not me who has to step out into the quest. I'm not going to do it.
• 37:13
  So really embracing the kind of the resistance. Then looking at weighing up, like, do I step out into the quest or do I remain within the sanctuary in the safety of the known? And realising that staying in the sanctuary in the safety of the known in the long run is worse than stepping out into the quest. Stepping out into the quest and then embarking on a journey which involves trials and tribulations. There is no easy path if you become a free speech advocate and you step out into this kind of free speech, what I call the hero's voice and calling it the hero's voice, finding the courage to speak out.
• 38:01
  And one will take multiple hits. And it's interesting because I mentioned my Jewish friend who's my children's classics teacher. She recently did a ten week recount of the Odyssey, Homer's The Odyssey. And as I was listening to The Odyssey, it really reminded me of all this stuff that I've been writing about, which is the kind of the points where on his journey Odysseus will just think, God, what you know, I've not got the energy to do this. Why me?
• 38:36
  Can I possibly make it, etcetera? And then triumphing over the greatest adversities, because what happens is when you step out into these sorts of experiences and you move beyond the comfort zone, you find that you have inner resources and inequalities that you didn't realise were there before. Now for me, and this I've looked at this quite a bit as well and wondered what, you know, how is it that I've been able to do this? For me, I've had quite a number of very close personal deaths in my life, including my first wife and mother to my two older boys. She died very suddenly twelve years ago, and I was having to deal with stuff which was like really hardcore.
• 39:26
  Before that, my sister and her kids were all killed in a car crash and things like that. So I've kind of gone on these sort of like kind of quests through grief and death, which perhaps have kind of helped me become more resilient. Maybe it's a number of things. I think it's also the fact that I come from a generation of parents who grew up in World War II. So for example, my father, who's dead now, he was at age 10 when he grew up in the city of Manchester in World War II and his father, so my paternal grandfather, fought in World War one in the battle of the Somme.
• 40:05
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, I have a quick message for you. Look. The twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communist that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, as we head in to this next year in this next election cycle.
• 40:32
  Because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply. You can see all the food factories burned down. You can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations, destroy the food supply.
• 40:51
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• 41:26
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• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So I grew up with these stories of like resilience and all that kind of stuff. And perhaps that's kind of helped me with all of this. But the point being, one finds in these darkest moments of despair, a light which and strength which one didn't realise was there before. Now there's another element to it, which is the kind of spiritual aspect of the quest, which I feel like I'm still trying to find and I'm still trying to connect with. And I feel like that will be the last bit for me, I hope.
• 42:28
  But that bit where it's like, oh, right, this is why I've gone through all of this kind of experience. But I think my message is there is no easy way to do it. And if you think that it's going to be easy, then you're wrong. You're going to take some hits. You're going to take some losses, but you've got to weigh up.
• 42:50
  Is the purpose of the quest greater and more worthwhile than staying within the sanctuary and safety of the known? And I think when it comes to with my personal experience, the greater good of protecting children against harm regarding the COVID vaccines for children, it was a no brainer. It was a no brainer. It was like, Okay, what do I do? Wait until my own children are perhaps mandated to have the shot, by which point it's too late?
• 43:21
  Or do I start fighting early on and keep fighting and keep fighting and keep fighting? Bear in mind, this is a journey which is continuing. And that was the choice I took. So yeah, that's my offering to anyone who's considering speaking out about any topic. It might be, as you say, back in the day where you'd have, you know, around the table, people having a discussion with different political views, which should be perfectly fine.
• 43:50
  Somebody's left wing, somebody's right wing, bit of a passionate debate. They can have a drink and a hug afterwards, and it's absolutely fine. That's what we need to return to.
• 44:00
  Seth Holehouse: What would you say was, if you can recall, the most difficult moment on this journey of the past couple of years? And how did you get through that moment?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I think it was probably when I discovered that I had been reported as an extremist and it was the allegation was so this was for saying, know, I was posting like telegraph and mail articles which supported my view. It wasn't like anything really wacky or out there. I was always really, really, really careful make sure that I was presenting the information that I was presenting in the most moderate manner. And by the way, every single independent investigation into me concluded that that was the case, that they could find no misconduct whatsoever with regards to my free speech on that matter. But it was the fact that I was cast as an extremist and a potential terrorist in effect.
• 45:08
  And I was told this the day before my employer who made that revelation the day before they went on holiday. And there was then two weeks and it was the Christmas holidays where I was left thinking, right, what happens next? Because of course, I've never been in that position before and I didn't know whether suddenly the police would come to my door and I've got young kids in my house and I was really concerned and I just thought this is just like insane what's going on now. But I think I must credit my wife. She's called Sandeep Sattara, amazing Punjabi Indian woman who without her support, I don't think I would have coped so well during that time because she was by my side and she was saying, well, this is completely unreasonable.
• 46:09
  I've got your back. Let's do this together. And so, I think that was a massive part of it. I've also been working very closely with some very distinguished journalists. I mentioned Molly Kingsley, who's the co founder of a campaign group called us for them with some very good contacts in Westminster, some brilliant lawyers as well.
• 46:36
  In fact, my barrister is the leading civil liberties barrister for The UK is called Paul Diamond. And you can look him up. Did the famous British Airways Cross case. So there was a case, think about it's almost ten years ago now where a an airline worker was wearing a crucifix and she was suspended for wearing crucifix at work. And that was, know, like appealed her suspension and she took her employer to court, British Airways, and ended up taking it all the way to the European Court of Human Rights and with my rister supporting her.
• 47:19
  So he's like and he's also represented the Archbishop of Canterbury, etc. So I'm very humbled and very fortunate and grateful to him. So I've had some really good people around me. But ultimately, I think it's the connection I have with my own children as well, because at the end of the day, it's like, I don't really know what's going to happen with me in terms of my kind of future career prospects. And I should mention as well, I'm also an author, I'm a published author of three books.
• 47:53
  And the last two books have been with the self development publisher Hay House, But no publisher really wants to touch me now when it comes to my of my views. The same goes with, that's my last book, Rewilding Childhood. Same goes with the education profession. You speak out about these unsanctioned topics, you will take some kind of hit. But I know within my heart that I have done this for the right reasons and that I know that I'm protecting my children.
• 48:38
  My older boys would be right. They're 26 and 19. They're strong men now. They're doing their thing, travelling the world, and they're really cool and really awake. The two young girls who are only six, they're not able to do that.
• 48:50
  So I feel ultimately that's the thing that kind of drives me forward. But I'm not going to pretend that I'm not every single day at some point just thinking, wow, how's this all gonna turn out? But that's just how it is.
• 49:06
  Seth Holehouse: Is. It is. And I I in my own experience, it's like sometimes you this is it, and you're so clear, this is a mission, and you have all the confidence. And next morning, you wake up, and it's just like every all that disappears, you have to refine it again. But I think that go ahead.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to fight. So there's so my wife so she's I said she's Punjabi and she's she's Sikh. And she does this thing called Simran, which in the morning, she so we get up at, quarter past four every day, certainly alarmed quarter past four. And she sort of recites her prayers and things and does this thing called Simran, which is like a chant. And it's not my path, but I will be with her and drink some coffee and stuff while she's doing it and try and connect.
• 49:53
  I'm trying to find that space of like the divine. So I do feel like that's why I mentioned that bit about the quest in terms of like the kind of spiritual element of the quest, that kind of place within yourself, which can kind of reside during the choppiest of waters. And I'm reminded, I've mentioned my paternal grandfather who fought in World War I. He was in the Cameron Highlanders. So he was fighting in the trenches in a kilt.
• 50:21
  And, you know, in 1914, there would be all these young guys in kilts. There'd be a bloke at the front of the line as they went over the top, playing the bang, put bagpipes into enemy fire, you know, and he was like, well, if all of his brothers were killed and I don't know about the rest of his regiment, but like he came back and he got on with his life. And the same with my maternal grandfather, who wasn't in World War I, who was in World War II. He went through all of that kind of stuff. And it's like, I think each generation has their battles and their adversities.
• 50:56
  And those who are lucky enough to find it will find some kind of inner peace and stability during the most challenging times. And yeah, I think perhaps that's the the ultimate that will be the ultimate lesson. But I'm kind of feel like I'm still on that journey, if you know what I mean. It's not concluded.
• 51:14
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I'm not sure it really concludes in this lifetime. Get closer
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and closer to And
• 51:21
  Seth Holehouse: that's that's also what what drives me that, you know, very fundamentally is just this This is feeling that I have this purpose, and that this is what God wants me to do. And as long as I'm acting in a way that aligns with that, You know, when it was my time to meet the maker, hopefully, I'll be able to just, you know, look him in the eyes and say I did my best. And that's, you know, that's the that's what gives me the peace with this.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: There are a couple of things I'd like to mention there. One, so Doctor. Peter McCullough, and I've got a good connection, and he's supported me enormously through this time. And a few months ago, he sent me a message saying, he said, the Holy Spirit moves within you. I can feel it.
• 52:19
  And I thought, well, that's kind of like far out and stuff. And then there had these other like synchronicities over the next few days where I was like, we've got this camper van which we're riding around in at the moment because our other cars are broken down and parked outside somewhere to let my girls and my wife out to go to one of their classes and parked randomly outside the church, looked at the sign. There was this big sign saying the Holy Spirit. There were a lot of synchronicities like that. And I thought, Okay, well, maybe there's something in that for me.
• 52:52
  And then today I was listening to Robert Kennedy, who again, I've had a little bit of contact with him prior to his candidacy for the to become the president of The US, Just some email correspondence between him and I. And I've loved his work for a long time. And I was listening to something he put out today on Instagram, and it was something where he was talking to Lex Friedman, I think it was. And he was saying that his journey towards this kind of spiritual realization was when he used the union philosophy of act as if, so fake it to make it. And he said that what he would do is he would every day look at all of the kind of moral decisions and choices he would have to make and imagine that God was watching him and then make his decisions accordingly.
• 53:55
  And eventually he found that his kind of higher power and his connection to God came from that place. And I felt that was really enlightening. You know, I'm listening to these really wise and great people around me, such as Doctor. McCullough and Robert Kennedy and others, and open to all sorts of insights on that matter. Yeah, I look forward to the next steps.
• 54:23
  Seth Holehouse: Well, Mike, it's been a pleasure speaking with you. And I think that you serve as an example. I hope that a lot of the people that are watching the show, they've got they've got children, they've got grandchildren. That's our future. I mean, if we can protect ourselves currently, what kind of world will our kids grow up in?
• 54:41
  And that's what's being determined right now. So I thank you for what you've done. It's been a pleasure to speak with you. I really appreciate making time for me today.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Lovely to speak to you too.