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#295 - For Azeroth!: “The Keystone Konundrum” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  If I played 12 hours a day like world first Raiders, I'd be a
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  world first Raider. And these people I'm playing
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  with are the problem. And you've jammed them into
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  groups with the people who were like, hey, let's just vibe and
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  have some fun in these keys and get some loot.
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  For the Karen tour for Pandaria. For calendar to the burning
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  region for Gilnaeus but has not died.
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  For the Lich King, for the Sindora.
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  For the Alliance for. The Horn for Azeroth.
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  Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of For
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  Azeroth. I am one of your Co hosts Manny
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  AKA the true villain Manny and I am joined.
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  Unfortunately Sean I have to introduce you second.
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  There is no other option. Hello, recruiter friends.
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  Sean, how are you doing? I'm.
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  Doing well, Manny, I'm doing well.
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  How are you? I'm doing OK.
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  It's very weird. This is early Season 1.
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  We're kind of trying to find our groove.
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  We've got our new stuff. There's a lot to do and then at
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  the same time, it's like I, I just, I feel a little weird and
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  we're, we're going to get into that.
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  We're definitely going to get into that because how people are
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  approaching content in Season 1 for the War Within really kind
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  of feels closer to a war than I would like in some places.
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  Yeah, I can see that. I can see that there is some
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  reports of rough patches, yeah. I've not experienced any myself,
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  so maybe I'm the problem, or maybe I've just been lucky.
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  I, I'm going, I'm going to point to some stuff that you've done
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  when we, when we go into the conversation fully that I, I
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  think has helped you. I'm not sure if it's hurt other
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  people there. There could be there could be
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  some other stuff, but let's let's get into it because let's
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  go through what's happening this week and wow, again, this is
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  season, season one, Week 2 of like the full season where it's
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  week 3 of like if you include heroic week.
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  And so we have a new affix in Xalatas bargain gone with
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  ascended. And now we're into Xalatas
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  bargain oblivion. And the way Oblivion works is
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  that occasionally throughout the dungeon, Zalitath will appear
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  and she will throw out crystals, and those crystals will slowly
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  gravitate toward towards the spot that she signaled.
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  Now, if players intercept these crystals, they get a nice little
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  buff called void essence. And this void essence gives you
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  mastery and gives you Leech, which is pretty good.
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  It's great for tanks. It's amazing for heels.
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  Hey DPS, that mastery is pretty good and keeping yourself
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  sustained pretty great as well. So you want to get in there.
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  If for some reason you let the enemy collect these crystals,
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  they get a 10% Dr. You just do less damage.
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  So DPS, you can't let this go through.
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  Your numbers will look crap. It'll be bad.
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  Get into it. I, I like this punishment for,
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  for DPS, so it's not like, you know, just run around and grab
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  them all. I'm just going to keep going.
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  Have you been playing with this? I've not yet done any keys today
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  we're recording on Wednesday. I've settled into my mid season
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  rotation. Tuesday servers come up, I do
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  all of my world chores so all my weekly events, all my world
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  quests, clear the map, and then Wednesday begins my my plus 10
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  vault filling and then after I do eight 10s for the week.
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  So that'll be done either later today or tomorrow.
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  Then it's the farm the nines for the few pieces I still need to
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  round up my gear, set on my sack brewed and think I need a belt.
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  So what item level are you sitting at now with all of this
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  going through? So because of my 593 mythic 0SEC
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  brood, I'm only at 6:17. Once I get that sorted out, my
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  number should jump up quite a bit.
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  That's still pretty solid. I'm sitting here by my week.
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  Was like, OK, I have two catalyst charges, I've got one
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  piece of tear. Come on, Vault be nice to me.
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  And the vault was nice, got myself a hero track pair of
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  gloves. So good, good.
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  Now I can use those two catalyst charges, get myself my four
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  piece, but I've got to make sure that I switch up my shoulders
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  'cause they were, I think, maxed out veteran track.
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  Like I don't want to, I don't want to use my charge on that.
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  So my week was so far 'cause again, we're recording this on
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  Wednesday afternoon. My week was like, I need to find
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  hero track shoulders. So I dived into Mythic Plus and
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  I did get lucky. I got the shoulders that I was
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  able to catalyze. And now I'm finally on my four
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  piece. I feel like everything is turned
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  on and I can like really start bringing those numbers that I
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  wanted to. So I'm I'm happy for that.
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  But going through this, yeah, there's been some contention
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  with this affix and I guess just in general with Mythic Plus.
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  So again, just for a reminder, because this is new territory
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  for those of you who don't know how the affix system works.
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  Soon as you start a A2 Plus, you get your seasonal affix.
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  That is the oblivion that we were just talking about that
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  will go through from 2 all the way to 11.
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  When you hit a four plus, you're getting fortified this week.
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  Last week it was Tyrannical. At 7, you get your Challenger's
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  Peril. That means that your deaths will
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  count for 15 seconds instead of five.
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  At 10, you get the other of the tyrannical Fortified pairing.
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  So this week it's Tyrannical. We'll kick in at 10, and then if
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  you push to 12 and higher, the bargains will be replaced by
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  Zaltaf's Guile, which will give a flat 20% increase to all of
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  the enemies in a key. So that's how that works.
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  Now the problem that we're having with the Oblivion affix
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  is mostly with the pathing of those crystals.
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  Unfortunately, we are seeing things like, I mean, the most
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  offensive that I've seen reported is the last boss in
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  Sigia Beralis. Those crystals will go along the
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  water and no player should be in the water.
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  So we're seeing the boss absorb them or the tentacles or the
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  crushers absorb them, and that's problematic for sure.
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  We have seen a lot of the uneven ground that you see in midst of
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  tyrannous life, especially towards the end, also being
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  being problematic with these orbs and they're pathing.
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  And we're also seeing just when particular enemies are doing
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  doing issues. Stone vaults, a good one where
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  you have those enemies that rush out or the machine speaker boss
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  where one of them will be moving the cube into the middle or
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  setting that up or running out. And if they happen to be in the
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  wrong spot, they can pick up a lot of that damaged Dr. which is
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  especially painful on that boss where you're supposed to be
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  killing them together. And so ADR on one and one of
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  them means that you now have to choke your defense on the other.
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  It's it's painful. So I expect that we will see
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  some fixes on this definitely before it comes around again.
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  I might suspect probably through this somewhere in this week that
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  we might see some hot fixes to this as well.
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  Yeah. So that's the issue with the
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  affix, but there is a more, I don't want to call it systemic,
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  but there is a more cultural problem that is going on with
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  Mythic Plus right now. And a lot of people, both
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  streamers and content creators throughout the Wow community and
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  just friends and stuff that I've been speaking to have been
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  talking about how vicious the community is, how harsh the
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  community is being, how exacting that everybody wants you to have
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  like X plus IO score in order to get into these dungeons.
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  Because I think it's a backlash against the community.
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  When I look at when I look at what's happening and I think
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  about like, OK, well, when I was on the beta and it didn't
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  matter, people were just jumping in and and posting and stuff
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  because there were no stakes that involved.
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  Now there are stakes involved. Obviously people look for the
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  easiest path to success because they want to get through those
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  dungeons. And that's always caused a level
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  of what we're seeing in Mythic Plus.
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  But what has changed now is that early in the season people would
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  be pushing through and they'd be doing their twos and moving
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  towards their fives and so forth.
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  But those fives would be what we're currently experiencing as
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  less than a mythic 0. There would be a lot less
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  punishment for people who are just cutting their teeth into
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  into the mythic plus environment.
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  And that means that when you are reaching 5 sixes sevens, the
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  quote UN quote mid level, that's what we would have been
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  considering something closer to 12 or so back in the back in the
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  day, which was an X, which carried with it an expectation
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  that you kind of already knew these dungeons, that you had
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  done them enough at the low level or had progressed through
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  them at A at a rapid speed enough that you had done your
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  homework before to have that knowledge base when you reached
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  that level. And so now because hey, you 3 +
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  a two and you're suddenly at A5, you may not have had that
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  knowledge base. You walk into a a key and you
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  don't know what to expect. And so that's why I think people
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  are being way harder about like, hey, do you have the score?
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  Have you completed like a bunch of fours?
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  Or did you just beat this dungeon at A2 and jump to a
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  four? And now I'm dealing with
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  somebody who's really fresh into this.
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  That's why I think it's a backlash.
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  Yeah, I think it's a combination of things.
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  There is almost no issues in real life that can be narrowed
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  down to one problem, and this isn't, this is no different.
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  I I agree with what you said. You can go back.
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  I'd love to go back to the announcement.
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  I can't remember if I was on For Azeroth when this happened or if
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  I was if I was talking on the Talking About podcast.
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  You can go back when they announced the the the squish for
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  for M plus. I am on record as saying this
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  will be bad for the community that they're trying to help the
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  fresh to mythic plus and the low mythic plus community will be
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  hurt by this more than they will be helped by this.
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  And it was done with the intention of making Mythic plus
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  more appealing and more available to those players by
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  saying, OK, Mythic 0 is like A10, take your time.
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  There's no timer. But all these people who are
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  like you said, the, the the two to five players, the previous +2
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  to plus five players who were in their lane, they were
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  moisturized, they were happy, they were flourish, flourishing.
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  They're now in mixed with the group.
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  If you look at Mythic plus, there's a curve.
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  People that do like +2 to plus old +2 to plus 10 and the
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  happiness and the toxicity level is very low.
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  How can city low happiness high? And then there's the people that
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  do like the 10s to old 10s to old, like nineteens, eighteens,
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  nineteens who thought they were really good at the game.
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  And the only thing holding them back is the there's that are
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  around them and that their toxicity is high, their
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  happiness is low. And then you have the people
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  that are doing quantity and above.
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  Well actually like 20 to 22, they're pretty happy and their
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  toxicity is low. 22 to 25 again was high toxicity, low happiness
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  and the 25 plus was just all all happy.
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  I need this drawn out as a charge.
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  I will draw this out for you, but by squishing it down, you've
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  taken all of those people who have tied so much of who they
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  are as a person to their skill in the game and who think that
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  the only thing holding them back is if I played 12 hours a day,
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  like world first Raiders, I'd be a world first Raider.
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  And these people I'm playing with are the problem.
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  And you've jammed them into groups with the people who were
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  like, hey, let's just vibe and have some fun in these keys and
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  get some loot on top of that. So that's that's one problem.
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  You've jammed all of these types of players together, right?
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  Problem 2 is there's a group of that player base who were like
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  in that middle range. They were, they were like doing
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  maybe fifteens. They were decent, they were
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  vibing. They would help out the people
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  who were lower keys. You know there are those ones,
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  you go on Twitter, you hear a story, somebody's like, hey, I
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  did this key. I'm not very good with it.
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  Plus I was nervous. But this tank was really great
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  and explained everything and took their time.
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  Those people realize that they get better loot from bountiful
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  delves up until +6, so they're not running low keys.
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  So all you took, all your helpers, all your, your, your
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  big brain, big heart helpers, all your Bob Ross's, all your
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  Steve Irwins and they all went, we're gonna be in the Delves.
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  Happy little delve. Fun little delve, you know.
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  And by the problem, I spent so much time yesterday just being
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  in delves, I'm like, yeah, let me just clear out all of the
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  delves that are active towards my vault.
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  I don't need to like dive into Mythic plus.
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  And if you do 88 pure 8 delves a week, you get the same loot as
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  if you did 8 mythic plus sixes in your vault.
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  Why? And I can do them alone and I
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  don't even have to be bountiful. I can just go with my brain is
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  so strong I'm not even doing anything anymore.
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  I'm just clicking stuff. It's doing all the lifting.
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  So you took all of these people out of the pool of players and
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  put them into delves and all you're left with is these these
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  poor people who just want to do some dungeons and check out the
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  season and learn mechanics and they're being thrown in and
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  they're think, and it's no fault of their own.
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  They're like, well, it's a 5. I understand that A5 now I'm
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  supposed to be like a 15, but the two is so easy.
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  I'll just go to the five and learn.
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  And all those other people who are like, I should be a rank one
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  player, but I'm stuck playing with you people and those people
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  are ruining it. We should make solo content for
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  them in like Wild Hammer or something else.
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  Wild Star, you know what we need?
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  Yeah, horrific Dells. Yeah, well, we have those if you
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  ask some of us anyway. I think that's I there is.
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  I do think that there is a problem and I think it's a
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  community problem. And I think that I think
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  Blizzard exacerbated it by doing the key squish because you
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  jammed people into groups that shouldn't be there.
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  Yeah, I think the community needs to sort itself out, I
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  don't think. Are you saying that the people
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  who think all of their problems are because of others should
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  take a look at themselves first? Unless if we're going with
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  unrealistic solutions. Manny, I would like to wave my
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  magic wand too. I didn't say that.
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  I do think that there is a reckoning that is currently
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  happening with the community. They didn't understand what the
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  change was and we now need to realign our expectations of what
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  a + 5 is, what a + 7 is. And that needs needs to be a
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  thing I have I have gone through in previous seasons where I'm
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  like, OK, I'm a non meta class and I'm trying to get into keys.
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  So I will go through and I will clear through threes and then
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  get a three and then do a bunch of fours and then get a fives.
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  And then I'll start getting rejected from sixes and I'll be
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  like, that's fine. And I'll get everything done on
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  A5 and then they'll start getting accepted to sixes.
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  And like the point where I would get that cut off rejection is
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  happening a lot earlier. But because I've been in this
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  pug life for so long, I kind of just sort of took it in stride
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  and it was like, OK, I know how this works.
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  It's just I will get an IO where they will just be like, OK,
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  sure, right. I also think that there's a lot
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  more people who are, you know, the helpers or the relatively
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  good players or even the people who will be pushing 22 and
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  higher that are just completely removed from this pole because
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  they have groups. They have their friend groups
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  and stuff that they've picked up.
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  And they're not gonna ever list their key or jump into a key.
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  They're gonna be like, it's Friday at 8:00.
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  Hey, four guys jump in and they're just going to run their
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  their keys. And so it's also created this
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  other difference in the community where you are seeing a
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  bunch of people, especially if you're in like if you're
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  watching these creators and such.
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  And they're like, yeah, I got my KSM Week 1 and stuff.
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  Because it is possible. I don't think it's actually
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  harder to do KSM this season than it was in Season 4.
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  It's easier. I would, it's 100%.
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  That's why you're seeing so many more people get it because it's
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  easier because you don't have to do a key.
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  And that's, and that's another part of the problem.
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  Sorry I had to cut you off. That's another part of the
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  problem is that people are on Twitter and people are online
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  and they're seeing, oh, you know, Pong got X got KSM in the
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  first week. Why am I so far behind?
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  Well, like Pong got X got it because you only needed to do, I
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  think it was sixes timed across the board once, whereas in
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  previous seasons you needed a Fort and a tyrannical score.
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  Well, now it's all one score. So it's possible to happen to
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  1:00, but that because it's happening in the first week it's
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  available, it makes people think, oh man, I'm so much
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  further behind. I got to push, which then all of
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  those crazies, it makes them even more aggressive because
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  they're like, I don't understand.
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  I follow. How come I don't have KSM?
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  He's got KSM. He must be right.
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  Everyone else's. I'm sorry, I don't.
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  No, I I 100% agree and that's why I said that this is a
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  cultural issue. This is a paradigm shift for how
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  people are understanding keys. It is easier, but the dungeons
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  themselves are where the where the struggle is.
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  I mean, outside of bugged affixes this week, but last week
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  the dungeons itself were where the struggle was.
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  So if you walk into midst of tear and aside and like you
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  don't have some sort of CC hard control for the fox, that second
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  boss is a lot harder for you. Right, But that requires a
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  little bit of forethought or at least experience.
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  Week 1, I'm not banking on people having experience.
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  And a lot of people when they hit that plus 5 + 6 + 7 key were
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  just going bananas because whoever didn't use incapacitate
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  or in prison or the root totem and it just like drove them mad
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  for it. So like it just, it sucks to see
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  the community do this. But yes guys, if you want to
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  know what the solution is to this, look no further than.
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  America, people who have the mists of Tyrannosaithe portal in
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  your That's not the solution you were going to say?
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  I mean. You weren't going to say only
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  invite people who have obviously timed this on a 20 inch shadow
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  lands. Right.
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  No, that's definitely not the solution.
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  But I will also say that there are more and more communities
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  around this around this game and it is leaving the angry folks
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  into more and more concentrated areas.
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  And so that's why it's being amplified so much.
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  I have to say that between like Oasis, Dungeon Dojo and all
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  these different communities, like you can find relatively
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  friendly groups and, and that a lot of other people, they're
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  just running with their Guild, right?
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  Or some, some some combination of that.
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  It just seems very odd that there is this hesitancy or
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  reluctance to embrace the fact that this is an MMO and use the
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  communities to your advantage. Because I think that with you,
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  and I think you're a really great example because I think
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  you hit both of these. You ran with your Guild and you
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  were doing like stacked runs to be like, we're going to do a
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  plate run or hey, let's get some friends together and go for this
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  trinket and so forth. And you also have a static group
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  that you run with weekly that you're just doing keys with and
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  you meet on on a day. So I think when I'm talking
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  about this, it's all third hand reports for you, right?
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  Yeah, I do. So I I am unique because our
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  raid team is very close and we do everything together.
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  We made sure everybody had a minimum of two full vault slots
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  of plus 10. And that's only through the
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  dedication of of the team and the leadership there because
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  they they organize all of it. And then my mythic plus team.
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  I understand why some people are hesitant to join a they might
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  not know your communities join, but be honest.
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  They like, how many stories have we heard of and have we seen
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  where somebody joined a community thinking it was
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  welcoming and thinking it was for the purpose of helping
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  others. And then getting there and
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  finding out that it's actually not and that it's a Horror
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  Story. But I can understand that it's
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  we can vouch as much as we want for certain communities and say,
• 23:42
  hey, this is a good spot. You're not going to find that
• 23:43
  here, but people are still going to be nervous about joining
• 23:47
  those. And I understand that.
• 23:50
  I wish there was a better solution.
• 23:51
  I wish I could say, hey, this is, you know, only invite people
• 23:54
  who have the portal. This is that's not this is that
• 23:57
  is not as a joke. This is a that's a joke.
• 24:01
  But I wish there because most of those people are also probably I
• 24:08
  wish there was a better answer, but that is it is the best
• 24:11
  answer I have is find a community.
• 24:14
  We obviously know a couple. I don't know if we're about to
• 24:16
  plug them or not, but I definitely recommend joining
• 24:19
  those places and and at least getting your your, you know,
• 24:26
  dipping your toe in, getting your feet wet and seeing, hey,
• 24:28
  is this a spot where I can come and do dungeons together?
• 24:31
  Because there are some of them where I definitely IA 100% have
• 24:34
  no problem vouching. You can go and you will.
• 24:35
  You will have at the bare minimum a non-toxic welcoming
• 24:39
  environment. Yeah, and it sucks that you have
• 24:42
  to do that. You shouldn't have to.
• 24:43
  You should be able to play the game however you want.
• 24:45
  Bugging with strangers should be a viable answer, but I have a
• 24:49
  friend who's fond of saying, well what does the MMO stand for
• 24:53
  then? We're in that situation where
• 24:59
  you can hope in one hand and the word you keep using in the other
• 25:03
  and you see which one gets full first, right?
• 25:07
  And for I think. We can say that word.
• 25:11
  For, for that, like I, I honestly kind of blame the
• 25:15
  matchmaking system because it's so easy to find the next group.
• 25:20
  So people are not like committed to groups.
• 25:24
  It used to be back in the old days where we walked uphill to
• 25:29
  the something stone both ways that you like, we're committed
• 25:33
  to a group that you would be like, OK, I'm putting this
• 25:35
  together and everything. And we're going to, we're going
• 25:38
  to try and like, oh, OK, you don't, you don't know.
• 25:41
  OK, we're going to teach you and such to get you through it.
• 25:44
  But with like time constraints, with depletion, with with the
• 25:49
  fact that like I've got to get X amount of these done before the
• 25:53
  lockout. There's a lot of push, push to
• 25:55
  go, go, go. And it it's worn away a lot of
• 26:00
  the social fabric that was in there for wow.
• 26:03
  So I think a lot of it has to be kind of done up front.
• 26:08
  Like if you can pull a couple of people from your Guild, then at
• 26:14
  least there's two less people that you have to pug that are
• 26:18
  sources of potential ruin for your your group.
• 26:22
  And like, I'm doing that now 'cause like after last week, I
• 26:27
  was just like, OK, you know what that that was, that was harsh.
• 26:32
  That was a lot. I don't want to be involved with
• 26:35
  this, this sort of thing. Joss has started playing again
• 26:39
  and she was on our extra show. We had a, a group that we called
• 26:43
  affectionately, the grumpy old farts.
• 26:45
  And so the grumpy old farts are getting off the rockers and
• 26:47
  getting back together. And we're going to, we're going
• 26:50
  to be doing Keystones. Does that mean I'm going to be
• 26:52
  pushing plus 20s and, and that no, right.
• 26:56
  Definitely not. If I, if we go past a 12, I will
• 27:00
  be surprised. I don't even think that is a
• 27:02
  goal for this season. This season it's going to be KSM
• 27:06
  getting ourselves to point and making sure that the group
• 27:11
  itself is is being put together. And then we might look at stuff
• 27:17
  there. But it's going to be based on
• 27:19
  like what we as a team want to do.
• 27:21
  And I think maybe that's what it is.
• 27:24
  Just find some people that are at your level.
• 27:25
  You may join one of these communities and they're great at
• 27:28
  doing those plus twos and those plus threes and those plus
• 27:31
  fives. But when you start looking at
• 27:33
  like plus sevens and plus 10s, there may not be the support in
• 27:36
  that community. So even if it's a good community
• 27:39
  in terms of vibe and so forth, it may not be able to support
• 27:43
  what you're looking to do. And so trying to find that right
• 27:46
  community for you is a thing as well.
• 27:48
  But I'm sure they're out there. Like the World of Warcraft
• 27:51
  community is vast and there are many groups that are doing this
• 27:56
  as well. So look for that.
• 27:58
  Look for like minded people and like let's let's leave the angry
• 28:02
  people to their pug life at this point.
• 28:05
  Yeah, I agree. You mentioned Mr. Chernosython,
• 28:08
  since you said that, I've had a thing I wanted to say that was a
• 28:11
  mechanic I learned and it's it's new to to war within.
• 28:15
  It didn't exist in Shadow Lands. And I'd like to start a new
• 28:18
  segment called Just the Tip, where I give a single tip about
• 28:22
  a dungeon in Mythic Plus. If we could do that, if you're
• 28:26
  ready, Manny, I'd like to give you just a tip.
• 28:28
  All right, So Mrs. Turner, Scythe on that boss, on the Miss
• 28:33
  Caller, whatever her name is, boss, the butterfly boss, when
• 28:36
  she summons her clones and you've identified which one
• 28:40
  you're supposed to attack, the orbs that she shoots out at the
• 28:43
  players, those now damage her clones.
• 28:47
  So if everybody stacks up in a line between the boss and the
• 28:51
  clone one, when she casts that ability, it one shots the clone.
• 28:56
  It doesn't just do a little bit of damage, it does a lot of
• 28:58
  damage. That is your just the tip on
• 29:02
  episode 295. Aim the balls at the clone and
• 29:08
  then move out of the way. Don't get hit.
• 29:10
  It will kill you too. You got to move.
• 29:11
  Yeah. They also damaged the fox.
• 29:13
  That's right. Yeah.
• 29:13
  So that that is a great tip. There we go.
• 29:17
  Speaking of the dungeons themselves, we have seen a
• 29:19
  number of different changes. While I believe all of these
• 29:23
  dungeons were fairly conquerable at the levels that I was doing
• 29:29
  them at, and at lower levels, we have seen some stress points and
• 29:32
  Blizzard has been addressing those.
• 29:35
  So we have seen a lot of changes for some of the more difficult
• 29:39
  bosses and encounters in these dungeons.
• 29:43
  Cedra Baralis saw a number of of their different ads get their
• 29:48
  health reduced anywhere between 10 and 20%.
• 29:53
  That'll let you cut through that dungeon a lot faster, especially
• 29:55
  now that we're on Fortified week.
• 29:57
  This week we've seen cast time increase for a number of
• 30:01
  different abilities and my personal thank goodness one out
• 30:07
  of this is that the Iron Tide Raiders hook distance has been
• 30:11
  reduced from 100 yards to 40 yards.
• 30:15
  So thank you Blizzard for this. This was so annoying.
• 30:20
  And they've increased the cooldown so it does it less
• 30:23
  often. Really appreciate that we've
• 30:26
  seen some hot fixes that haven't gone live just yet, but we'll be
• 30:31
  going live soon. We have also seen that the
• 30:36
  bosses have gotten some adjustments, so Sieger Braless
• 30:39
  last boss, the slams no longer having a knockback.
• 30:44
  Having consistent damage is so good.
• 30:47
  There is a developer's note about this that I will put
• 30:49
  through here. The intent of these changes is
• 30:53
  to balance the overall length of dungeon against the timer while
• 30:57
  rewarding players for prioritizing high threat
• 31:00
  enemies. The adjustments to Victoria Goff
• 31:03
  that is the the monster at the end of it aim to even out damage
• 31:08
  across all armor types and eliminate a frustrating aspect
• 31:12
  of the encounter. This was very important because
• 31:14
  if you had particular particular guys getting wailed, they would
• 31:18
  get way closer to one shot than others, which is which is very
• 31:22
  frustrating. Rim Batal also saw some changes.
• 31:26
  That was another dungeon that people were complaining about.
• 31:31
  One of the big changes here that I want to highlight is that the
• 31:34
  Warlock Shadow Flame, instead of cursing two people, only curses
• 31:37
  one. This wasn't so much an issue for
• 31:41
  for myself because I am a shaman DPS which meant that I would get
• 31:46
  the other Eclair immediately. But for players that were
• 31:50
  relying purely on the healer, this was an issue and healers
• 31:54
  rejoiced everywhere. We've also seen, of course, some
• 31:58
  changes to the damage in there and some changes to the boss to
• 32:03
  to bosses to improve visual fidelity and make it a lot
• 32:07
  easier, especially that last boss Irredux, where the
• 32:10
  tentacles could chain grab you. I never, I never experienced
• 32:15
  that, but I that would be incredibly frustrating.
• 32:18
  And there are changes for all of the dungeons in there that are,
• 32:23
  you know, the pain points. So we've seen increased
• 32:26
  invisibility on the Volpin and freeze tag right?
• 32:30
  Actually seeing Pattycake's range increase because I was
• 32:34
  seeing some tanks ventual retreat out of that to ignore
• 32:38
  it. Which is weird because do demon
• 32:40
  hunters have a really quick interrupt?
• 32:43
  Yeah, there's every every single tank, every single tank couldn't
• 32:46
  like solo, obviously they have to because they're the only one
• 32:48
  that can kick it. But every tank can kick that it
• 32:51
  it's basically somebody. If they're arranging it, it
• 32:54
  means they wasted their kick. They they kicked early when they
• 32:57
  shouldn't. OK, so this was like a, hey,
• 32:59
  you're not getting to cheese the fact that you screwed this up.
• 33:03
  OK, yeah, that was that was that seemed weird to me.
• 33:06
  There's a number of changes here, adjustments that make the
• 33:10
  dungeons more in line because they were definitely some
• 33:12
  dungeons that were standing out to people as the more dangerous
• 33:17
  dungeons in here. I am 100% looking at Siege of
• 33:20
  Bralis as a big pain point and the number of fixes in the notes
• 33:24
  reflect that, so I'm glad to see that changes in there as well.
• 33:29
  With that said, do you think that there's any other dungeons
• 33:33
  in that definitely need a look at after these changes?
• 33:37
  I guess you haven't really played this this week so you
• 33:40
  don't have much to go on. Well by last week I was doing
• 33:44
  10s which was fortified and tyrannical so it would be it
• 33:47
  would cover both. The only one that still sort of
• 33:50
  stands out that I haven't seen on here is the Twins boss in
• 33:54
  City of Threads, VIX and Nick's. That will be a bug ruiner, that
• 34:01
  boss. Even for an organized group in
• 34:03
  comms who knows the mechanics and knows the dance, it is a a
• 34:08
  rough, rough boss. Yeah, that's a, that's a tough
• 34:13
  one. OK, maybe I've been lucky.
• 34:15
  I've had tanks that are just like stack on me and just sort
• 34:18
  of guide us through it. Yeah.
• 34:20
  So I mean the key level obviously matters there, but
• 34:25
  like in a higher key, you're looking at multiple shades
• 34:29
  shooting the frontal. So if your tanks not baiting
• 34:31
  those frontals correctly, if the group isn't stacking on the tank
• 34:35
  on the second stack of every do stack casts, you have to stack
• 34:38
  and move because they cast the purple circles at the same time
• 34:42
  for the right for the icicles that they shoot out.
• 34:43
  You want to make sure you're not spread too far, especially if
• 34:45
  you healer is a like an area, a tight area healer, like a
• 34:49
  preservation of ochre or a resto shaman.
• 34:53
  It's just it. We found that to be of all the
• 34:55
  bosses after the hot fixes last week.
• 34:58
  There were some hot fixes last week.
• 34:59
  I'm looking at you Stitch Flesh there.
• 35:02
  After all of those, that was the one that we found to still be
• 35:05
  rough. That's my point of view.
• 35:07
  I play prot warrior and I ran also with a blood DK and a
• 35:12
  guardian druid a couple times last week.
• 35:15
  The last Boston Grim wasn't too bad on Prot warrior because you
• 35:18
  can spell reflect and clear tentacles, which certainly isn't
• 35:23
  intended. And as soon as Blizzard finds
• 35:24
  out I know that'll be removed. But it's like 5 seconds of free
• 35:28
  running through tentacles clearing them.
• 35:30
  Because it doesn't. It's not like you would expect.
• 35:32
  Maybe I spell reflect, it can remove one, but it doesn't eat
• 35:34
  the buff. So as many as I can run through
• 35:37
  in five seconds I can clear, which doesn't seem intended, but
• 35:41
  I'm gonna keep doing it until they turn it up.
• 35:46
  OK, OK. Yeah, and yeah, and and Spencer
• 35:49
  just mentioned it in chat as well.
• 35:51
  Last box of threads also got nerve for last week, so that
• 35:54
  became a lot easier like in the last half of last week.
• 35:57
  And again, if the group, as long as the group's coordinated stack
• 36:00
  up, move together in a circle around the room and you'll be
• 36:02
  OK. Bring the prop warrior because
• 36:04
  you can also spell reflect that tank Buster mechanic for big
• 36:07
  damage. There's so many things you can
• 36:09
  spell from. You can spell reflect the
• 36:11
  sucking on the last Boston city of echoes like I don't know.
• 36:17
  I'm just I'm Lex today. Do whatever Blizzard employee
• 36:20
  watches our show, just we'll leave some time stamps in the
• 36:23
  show before you skip all of that.
• 36:25
  There's no way that that's intended anyway.
• 36:29
  As a part where? Thanks.
• 36:33
  Well, part warriors are pretty popular right now.
• 36:38
  We're seeing representation at the lower keys relatively even,
• 36:43
  but we are now seeing at the higher keys a meta really
• 36:46
  setting in tanks I think are the healthiest of like
• 36:50
  representation. Unfortunately, Protection
• 36:53
  Paladins and Brewmaster Monks are the losers right now.
• 36:59
  If you're looking at like keys 7 and up or if you're like the
• 37:03
  little bit of data that we have on keys 10 and up, you're also
• 37:06
  seeing that. But Blood DK 28% representation
• 37:15
  as the highest with two other tanks.
• 37:19
  Warriors that you say need need some nerfing or don't listen to
• 37:23
  that Warriors who are just fine. Whoa.
• 37:28
  Sorry, I need to put. Novel words into my mouth.
• 37:30
  I did that Warrior probably feels perfectly balanced.
• 37:34
  If if anything is a little weak, well.
• 37:39
  The discrepancy between them and the Death Knights is only 6%.
• 37:44
  Protection Warriors at 22% right now at keys 10 and up, Druids,
• 37:50
  Guardian Jurids doing really well, 20%.
• 37:53
  Vengeance Demon Hunters at like 17%.
• 37:56
  That's pretty good representation in that.
• 38:00
  In that top four again, unfortunately we're looking at
• 38:03
  Brewmaster Monk at 7.3 and Protection Paladins at 5.1.
• 38:07
  Clearly Protection Paladins will need some love if they are going
• 38:11
  to get some greater representation.
• 38:13
  I just don't want want it to be like dragon fight.
• 38:15
  Do not push them to like overwhelming power and suddenly
• 38:19
  we get the God comp coming right back.
• 38:22
  Tanks again doing fairly well in their representation by by what
• 38:27
  I'm looking at. How are the healers doing,
• 38:28
  Manny? Oh, looking at healers,
• 38:32
  unfortunately a definite meta has set up.
• 38:37
  What? While while shamans are
• 38:42
  wonderful and fine and do not need balancing at all, they do
• 38:46
  represent a gross disproportionate amount of
• 38:50
  healers at high key levels. At 10 and up, they are nearly
• 38:56
  45% of all healers for timed keys.
• 39:03
  Half, nearly half the keys on their own.
• 39:08
  That number only takes a bit of a dive when you're looking at 7
• 39:12
  and up. We're seeing a bit more
• 39:15
  representation from Holy Paladin.
• 39:17
  Good on them, but we're still seeing a 40% representation of
• 39:23
  Resto Shaman despite the fact that they're balanced and don't
• 39:25
  need to be touched. Don't worry about shaman guys,
• 39:28
  they are still grossly. If anything are.
• 39:31
  Represented huh? If anything, they're a little
• 39:34
  weak. Thank you.
• 39:35
  Thank you. Right, all right, that's how
• 39:37
  this goes. OK, I, I, I apologize.
• 39:40
  I don't know how to talk out of both sides of my mouth as well.
• 39:44
  Anyways, outside of that, looking at the other healers,
• 39:48
  they're actually there's no gross loser.
• 39:52
  Priest being split into two different healers still
• 39:55
  represents nearly 20% of representation, with both disk
• 40:01
  and holy being around 9 and 8% proportionately.
• 40:08
  The evokers though the though they are absolutely destroying
• 40:13
  in the raid, and we will talk about that soon, are at 10%,
• 40:18
  Druids at 9%, misweaving at 9%. These are.
• 40:24
  Fairly even representation, except for that one healer that
• 40:28
  has just utterly taken over this meta.
• 40:31
  What's causing Resto shaman to go so hard in keys by your
• 40:37
  approximation? It's a it's a couple of things.
• 40:40
  They give that extra health, which in early season when gear
• 40:44
  is low, 10% extra HP is nice to have.
• 40:47
  I think it's AP something I can't, there's an acronym for
• 40:51
  it. I can't what it is, it's not
• 40:52
  apt. Anyway.
• 40:53
  They heal you, you get extra health.
• 40:56
  And so that's that's one thing that actually that extra 10% is
• 40:59
  nice and they bring wind fury, but it's not just wind fury,
• 41:03
  it's sky fury. So it's extra mastery.
• 41:06
  And if your DPS benefits a lot from mastery, looking at you
• 41:10
  Evokers and augmentation Evokers and mages, then it's almost
• 41:15
  better than having API, right? Because you've got mastery
• 41:19
  feeding into both of those classes.
• 41:21
  And mastery isn't isn't a bad stat for any tank.
• 41:24
  You'll have tanks tell you that it's not their best stat, but it
• 41:27
  is not a bad stat for any tank. So yeah, I think those things
• 41:31
  come into effect big time. And all of the other actual good
• 41:36
  healers are in the raid so they don't have time to do keys.
• 41:40
  Yeah, I was thinking that it was going to be a lot of the utility
• 41:43
  that they bring because we've got like all the totems that are
• 41:47
  in there. The fact that it's a quick
• 41:49
  range, short cooldown on our on our interrupt, like I think that
• 41:54
  would that would have been a big thing.
• 41:57
  I wanted to say Blood Lust, but like when I'm looking at these
• 42:00
  numbers, I see a lot of mages running in alongside them, so
• 42:04
  Lust is really covered anyways. Yeah, I I want to say that,
• 42:09
  yeah, if you've got the ancestral, it's not ancestral
• 42:14
  guidance, that's the cool down, but it's ancestral something
• 42:17
  that's that's a big thing there. So yeah.
• 42:20
  A big utility, I mean, it's being mentioned in chat right
• 42:22
  now and you said it yourself, the utility they bring, they can
• 42:26
  solo handle these, these Zelda orbs from Ascendance being
• 42:30
  there. From Spencer.
• 42:31
  Hello. Yeah.
• 42:33
  But there's, there's I'm a, I'm a big fan of Wrestle Shaman.
• 42:35
  I have been for a while. One of my good friends play the
• 42:37
  rest of shaman in shadow lands for one of the seasons.
• 42:40
  He he flex heels, but like different healers, They they
• 42:44
  they bring a lot to the table. But yeah, and SLT is a really
• 42:49
  big bull down, especially in early season when there's a lot
• 42:52
  of mechanics that it's like this is going to kill all of us.
• 42:56
  Let's SLT and hope that our tank keep us all.
• 42:58
  That's all Leech held off of our tank here for a few seconds and
• 43:01
  hopefully we get to we get to survive it all.
• 43:04
  Yeah, I don't I don't think it's going to change Resto shamans.
• 43:06
  Actually, they had a bit of a rework.
• 43:08
  The shamans all did, but the resto shaman had a bit.
• 43:10
  They're in the rework. They came out pretty good.
• 43:13
  They're in for another rework. Oh, are they?
• 43:16
  It's so weird because going into the anniversary now resto shaman
• 43:20
  gets the least amount out of this this rework, but going into
• 43:24
  1111 point O .5, there is a lot happening that is affecting hero
• 43:30
  talents, spec talents and a little bit a little bit the
• 43:35
  base, the baseline talent. So that might be Blizzard's
• 43:39
  chance to sort of maybe rein them in, but I'd kind of like to
• 43:43
  see, I don't know, I, I think that this is literally a
• 43:46
  situation where shamans have been Jack of all trades for so
• 43:51
  long. And now that we don't have the
• 43:53
  Ethics's ruling the day, being able to adjust yourself for the
• 43:57
  dungeon is so powerful right now, and being that that army
• 44:01
  knife ability is so good. It's exciting times, but that
• 44:05
  doesn't I don't want anybody who's listening to this.
• 44:07
  They're like, oh man, I don't play, I play prop Paladin and I
• 44:09
  love it. We're not saying like the, the,
• 44:11
  the meta of this week might not be the meta of next week.
• 44:14
  There is so much that's going to change every now and then, and
• 44:15
  once key there's going to be you have to remember there will be
• 44:18
  two separate quote UN quote metas in war within 12 plus and
• 44:26
  11 and below, because what is good for 11 and below might not
• 44:29
  be good for 12 plus because there's no affixes in 12 plus.
• 44:33
  So keep that in mind and also play whatever you want.
• 44:37
  Unless you're literally doing the world first level of keys
• 44:40
  you're listening to this show, you're probably not.
• 44:43
  I suspect you're in the middle of the tournament around
• 44:45
  practicing, not listening to podcasts.
• 44:49
  Yeah, or trying to win race to role first.
• 44:51
  Don't play what you want. Play what you're comfortable on.
• 44:54
  You will be better off that way. Don't get don't get bent around
• 44:58
  the actual thinking. I'm not, you know, class X.
• 45:01
  Therefore, my season is over in week 1 and he'll take anybody in
• 45:05
  a group. I'm not sure when Spencer was
• 45:08
  given all the answers, but I could have just read Spencer
• 45:10
  instead of being like trying to guess what the.
• 45:11
  Hell, I thought you were reading it because you kept saying
• 45:13
  everything he was saying, so I assumed you were reading it.
• 45:16
  Exact examples. Grounding totem, Poison totem.
• 45:18
  Spencer. Yeah, way more articulate than I
• 45:20
  am. I apologize.
• 45:22
  I thought because he he wrote it, then you started talking
• 45:24
  about them. I was like, OK man, he's gonna
• 45:25
  just discover the all these here.
• 45:26
  That's great. Yeah, just skim the notes.
• 45:28
  I couldn't skim the notes. You know, I, I wish I was
• 45:30
  better. Than that you could also get
• 45:31
  this conversation on the starting zone 2 days ago.
• 45:34
  Listen. We're gonna talk about Resto
• 45:38
  Druid or Spencer's unfortunately having to deal with DPS ING
• 45:44
  right now. Last I heard he was swing
• 45:45
  healing Spencer. You can let us know anyway.
• 45:49
  But that brings us to DPS though.
• 45:51
  And for DPS, this is kind of mirroring Season 1 of
• 45:58
  Dragonflight where we're seeing representation that is fairly
• 46:02
  spread out amongst all of the classes, even if you're looking
• 46:05
  at first glance being like, oh, some of these numbers seem
• 46:09
  lower. It's because they're spread out
• 46:10
  over more specs in there. Like Warlock was one that was
• 46:14
  like, but it's it's actually spread out.
• 46:16
  The one that seems to kind of be the aardvark here is of course,
• 46:21
  mage. Mages seem to be a leading the
• 46:25
  pack here, with arcane mages alone being the highest, but
• 46:30
  then also seeing some representation from the frost
• 46:33
  mages. And I'm sorry fire mages,
• 46:35
  something's got to be done for you.
• 46:37
  Poor, poor fire mages. But I also think that this is
• 46:40
  again, that sort of community meta thing where if one speck is
• 46:45
  ahead, you're going to see that quickly Leech from the
• 46:49
  representation of other specs. So if Arcane's doing really
• 46:53
  well, it's so easy to switch out a fire and frost and pile in on
• 46:58
  that arcane train. So looking at mages overall, the
• 47:02
  representation is there. I'm seeing it roughly around 13.
• 47:08
  We'll round up to 14%, but we are seeing a number of classes
• 47:12
  that are relatively close there. I think Warlocks, despite the
• 47:16
  fact that they seem stretched over a number of classes, are
• 47:20
  also reaching around 11 percent or so.
• 47:23
  There I'm seeing shamans, enhancement shaman, and
• 47:27
  elemental, there combined being something around that 10% mark.
• 47:32
  And like the representation seems pretty decently spread out
• 47:37
  with unfortunately again, a couple of classes that seem to
• 47:40
  be lacking. Namely, I'm seeing a lack of
• 47:44
  representation for priests. Sorry, shadow priests.
• 47:49
  I'm seeing Havoc Demon hunters unfortunately lacking, but I
• 47:54
  might point that towards again the use of the Vengeance Demon
• 48:02
  Hunter and maybe getting pulled more towards that.
• 48:06
  And then beyond that, Monks. Monks are the other one that
• 48:10
  seems to be hurting with only 4% representation.
• 48:13
  Under 4% representation, again when you've got good healer
• 48:17
  representation that helps, but like they don't have good tank
• 48:22
  representation so I am more willing to point to that.
• 48:25
  That low number would be like Ouch poor monks are hurting.
• 48:28
  What do you make of this? Monks aren't in a great spot, I
• 48:35
  say that, but we I mean, we have a wind Walker on our team who
• 48:38
  blasts like they're great in Geez.
• 48:40
  Again, they bring a lot of utility that is really helpful.
• 48:43
  AOE stops aren't as effective this season as they were
• 48:47
  previously, but there is a lot of benefit and manage your
• 48:50
  credit. You mentioned this when the AOE
• 48:52
  stops came in and I was I was unhappy about it.
• 48:55
  You were like, well, this sets up the opportunity more for
• 48:57
  like, OK, we need to delay these casts by three seconds to get
• 49:01
  kicks. And we're seeing, I'm seeing
• 49:03
  that like I'm seeing, you know, a well timed Ring of peace or a
• 49:06
  well timed leg sweep to, to delay a cast just long enough
• 49:09
  for us to get a kick back up in some runs.
• 49:13
  But yeah, Miss Weaver isn't a really good spot.
• 49:14
  And it feels fun. I think people are afraid to
• 49:17
  play Brewmaster because when it's good, there is a very, very
• 49:22
  good Brewmaster Monk who is very free on Twitter with his damage
• 49:27
  meter posts and almost like clockwork, after every time he
• 49:31
  posts a picture of him beating all of the DPS in a dungeon,
• 49:35
  they get nerfed. You know, I so we, I guarantee
• 49:40
  we'll see one brewmaster in the title range every season at the
• 49:43
  lease. Yeah, but it's, it's tough,
• 49:49
  right? You can, you've only got 5 spots
• 49:50
  in those groups. And I think especially early
• 49:53
  season, you're seeing a lot of players who are playing one
• 49:56
  character only, not a lot of multiple character players.
• 49:59
  And they're gearing up what their raid team needs.
• 50:03
  And there's other options you can bring in raid then then win
• 50:06
  Walker to get that buff. So, but it's again, week 1, not
• 50:11
  the end of the world. If you're a Wind Walker lover,
• 50:13
  you're probably having the most fun on the planet right now.
• 50:15
  Spinning to win, Yeah, so just keep wait one more round of Fury
• 50:18
  nerfs and you're it. And again, I want to stress like
• 50:24
  there are very few people who are even at these keys so
• 50:28
  quickly. I think the highest that we have
• 50:30
  seen is a 13. I am going to put it out there.
• 50:33
  If we could somehow contact anybody that works with Radar
• 50:35
  IO, could we make the division .12 and up instead of this 10
• 50:40
  sort of thing? Like at this point, I think you
• 50:42
  got to kind of reflect where where that kicks in for like I
• 50:47
  think there's going to be a significant change between like,
• 50:50
  hey, this was great in a in a 10 or 11 and this is what we need
• 50:54
  for a 12 because forget all any of these those affixes.
• 50:58
  We'll see if we'll see if we have any contacts that can talk
• 51:01
  to somebody. Awesome, awesome.
• 51:03
  But then looking through on this, the representation at
• 51:09
  those lower keys is so even people who are just trying to
• 51:14
  get their KSM, who are trying to get themselves some mythic gear,
• 51:18
  you're going to be able to do that with any of these classes.
• 51:21
  There is successful runs with all representation, even Arms
• 51:27
  Warrior, which in some cases is very absent, conspicuous by its
• 51:33
  absence because everybody is jumping on the Fury right now.
• 51:36
  Because that AOE Fury train is grotesque.
• 51:40
  Yeah, and as was mentioned earlier in chat by Spencer,
• 51:45
  where Arcane is simple, Fury is simple, arms warriors like doing
• 51:49
  3D chess, and I guess that's real chess, 4D chess, all chess.
• 51:55
  No, no, 3D chess is actually the like trying to go up the levels
• 51:59
  and stuff. He's a hard.
• 52:00
  Person Yeah, OK, cool. Yeah.
• 52:02
  Arms Warriors, it's more complex, but both of the arms
• 52:05
  Wearers that are still playing are doing very well.
• 52:10
  Yeah. OK, just before we switch into
• 52:14
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  Shadows whispered ancient secrets as he wove tendrils of
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  Void energy into elegant, deadly patterns, each step echoing with
• 52:44
  the power of the Void. But as he reached out to touch a
• 52:46
  pulsing rift in the air, he jolted awake, heart pounding,
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  sheets, the dreams remnants fading like mists in the dawn.
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  It was great to actually hear from Brian who has been
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  listening to our show since Shadow Lands and is glad that
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  we're back on the regular schedule.
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  So like it always helps to hear from you guys.
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  It is like I'm going to be here every week.
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  I'm going to be doing another show every week just because I
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  can't shut up about World of Warcraft.
• 53:36
  But it's it's always gratifying to hear that people enjoy what
• 53:40
  we say. Moving on though, we are going
• 53:43
  to get into raiding and a newer bar palace.
• 53:48
  So currently the timing of this is 6:22 PM Eastern Time on
• 53:56
  Wednesday. And Sean, where does the Race to
• 54:00
  World first stand at this time? Well Manny, we currently have 3
• 54:05
  guilds vying for that anubrack first kill in the world.
• 54:10
  Those teams are Liquid, Method and Echo.
• 54:16
  Now to be fair, only Liquid and Echo are currently as of this
• 54:20
  moment on Anserek post vault, post re clear.
• 54:25
  Method is as we speak working on their re kill re kill of Ovanex.
• 54:29
  And the reason that they're behind is because Method did
• 54:33
  something incredible last night. If you are a fan of high drama,
• 54:38
  if you are a fan of the underdog winning at the last second, you
• 54:43
  are a fan of what Method did on Would have been Tuesday evening
• 54:49
  for them. They were going into the UEU
• 54:54
  reset, EU reset. The maintenance period happens
• 54:56
  at like 3:00 AM local time for them, but the actual reset
• 55:01
  doesn't happen until 6:00 AM. So method chose Echo and Liquid
• 55:06
  had both already advanced, passed Silken Court on to Queen
• 55:09
  Ansarack and they were getting ready.
• 55:11
  Liquid was doing their re clear up to Ansarack.
• 55:13
  Echo was in bed asleep. They have a very strict sleeping
• 55:16
  schedule that they stick to Echo and they were in bed asleep.
• 55:21
  And Method said we cannot go into tomorrow into the reset
• 55:24
  without having killed Silken Court.
• 55:26
  A, to get those items in our vaults and B, just for the
• 55:28
  morale kick it would give us if we didn't have that down.
• 55:31
  So they stayed up, They pushed on through the night.
• 55:34
  They they took a small break, had some, had some naps during
• 55:37
  the maintenance period, and then woke themselves up at 4:30 AM
• 55:42
  local time. They pulled the silken court for
• 55:47
  the last time. It was going to be their last
• 55:49
  pull of the night and on that pole they managed to squeeze out
• 55:53
  a kill just in the nick of time to then put them on Queen
• 55:58
  Ansarack with both Echo and Liquid.
• 56:01
  Now was that the right call? I don't know.
• 56:04
  I'm not an analyst, I'm not an athlete, I have no idea.
• 56:07
  Was it awesome? Also, yes, it was very cool.
• 56:13
  The VOD is out there. Their Castro team that had Dark
• 56:16
  Mech on the bench and SKO at the same time and they were reading
• 56:18
  it out. Dark Mech has this quote at the
• 56:20
  end of it. He's like where were you?
• 56:22
  Where were you? And it is just such a hype
• 56:27
  moment. It was very cool to see the the
• 56:30
  race is better when there are more teams involved.
• 56:33
  Obviously it was we had four teams a few years ago.
• 56:36
  We're now down to three teams. We don't want to lose that.
• 56:39
  We want to have more teams. More teams is better, and having
• 56:43
  three teams actively working on answer Act will be incredible.
• 56:46
  There are two right now, the two you probably expected in Echo
• 56:50
  and Liquid, and they're both doing quite well.
• 56:53
  Liquid as of now has seen phase two and the intermission.
• 56:58
  So phase one on Mythic is just a minor step up and difficulty
• 57:01
  from Heroic it looks like. Nothing too complex, nothing too
• 57:03
  crazy. The intermission though is a
• 57:07
  casserole of nonsense. It is the dial turned all the
• 57:12
  way up to 11. So the race is going really
• 57:14
  well. Yeah, and I'm excited.
• 57:15
  I'm excited to see who wins. I'm also excited for it to be
• 57:18
  over so we can get some proper nerfs on Kyvesa and Ovenax so
• 57:22
  that other guilds other than the world top ten can kill them.
• 57:26
  Or as of yesterday, 411 guilds had killed Sychrin, so they were
• 57:32
  up to Brood Twister Ovenax. 12 guilds had killed Ovenax.
• 57:38
  That is a massive, massive log jam of guilds for a 400 Guild
• 57:46
  difference. That is crazy.
• 57:48
  That is, those are numbers like we haven't seen ever.
• 57:51
  I don't they've made some nerves.
• 57:53
  I don't know that it's going to be enough to fix it, to make it
• 57:55
  so that teams can get through that.
• 57:57
  And then after they get through that, we're at a point right now
• 57:59
  where Nexus Princess Caveza is being solo tanked by World first
• 58:04
  Raiders who have to play perfectly and are still going
• 58:07
  into the Enraged to kill her. I don't know how mere mortals
• 58:11
  are supposed to like this. OK, so I got a question for you.
• 58:17
  Yeah. What is your over under on a
• 58:20
  mythic only phase for Queen Ansarak?
• 58:23
  Oh I don't think there is one. I wouldn't expect one.
• 58:29
  I know there was some talk about the way that she dies in story
• 58:33
  mode is different, like the way the cutscene plays out is
• 58:35
  different from how it is in Heroic.
• 58:39
  But I think that's just because they had to do story mode
• 58:41
  without splitting the raid group.
• 58:43
  So I wouldn't read too much into differences in story mode.
• 58:47
  I don't think we're going to have a mythic only phase.
• 58:48
  I think they just notch up the difficulty like they have been.
• 58:51
  It's hasn't been since the Jailer, since we had a mythic
• 58:55
  phase. And I don't think that was even
• 58:58
  secret. I think that was known ahead of
• 59:00
  time. Or did we not test the jailer?
• 59:03
  There was no test on the jailer. The mythic only phase was the
• 59:06
  him recovering health, so it wasn't really that big of a
• 59:09
  phase. Yeah.
• 59:10
  So you're actually going back to Nizzoth then?
• 59:13
  I don't expect to see him. I think only phase in this
• 59:15
  fight. So over under, I don't over
• 59:19
  under is not really good. I would say the odds are
• 59:21
  probably 2 to one no mythic only phase and like 100 to one that
• 59:27
  there is a mythic only phase with no real money being wagered
• 59:31
  'cause this is not a legal gambling this is not.
• 59:33
  A legal gambling we're not under any bets you make.
• 59:37
  These are gonna try a debt in USD.
• 59:39
  We can't cover that, OK. Yeah, no, I think.
• 59:44
  There is. I hope it's her becoming a crab.
• 59:48
  Yes, she just automatically turns it on for everybody.
• 59:52
  And like big shout out to you again, Radar IO, that little
• 59:56
  blurb where it's like that's that's a threatening I'm going
• 1:00:00
  to turn on aractophobia mode and then it and then unfortunately
• 1:00:05
  Brew Twister turned into a laundress and it's like, Oh no,
• 1:00:09
  we screwed up. Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  So like, yes, this is being a pretty amazing race, I think.
• 1:00:15
  Playing through this on the heroic level, I've been really
• 1:00:18
  enjoying the bosses here, they've been quite good.
• 1:00:22
  I am looking forward to seeing Mythic being brought down to
• 1:00:25
  like, you know, mere mortal levels.
• 1:00:29
  But what about you? Where are your?
• 1:00:31
  Where's your team in terms of progression?
• 1:00:35
  So we're two of eight. We haven't raided yet this week
• 1:00:38
  or well, Tuesday is an optional night.
• 1:00:39
  So we just re cleared Heroic. We go in tomorrow, we expect to
• 1:00:43
  easily re clear both olgrax and blood bound horror and we're
• 1:00:47
  close to a kill on sick grand. So after that it'll be ration on
• 1:00:54
  and then sorry. Ration On was the boss that
• 1:00:56
  people had killed 411 of and then 12.
• 1:00:59
  Right. The fourth boss, Right?
• 1:01:00
  Yeah, I made I misspoke and I think I said sick ran earlier it
• 1:01:03
  was ration on. So we're close to a kill on sick
• 1:01:06
  ran and then I don't think ration on is going to take us.
• 1:01:09
  We we could potentially be forbid at the end of this week,
• 1:01:11
  I think yeah, and then we'll be looking at the walls of oven Axe
• 1:01:17
  and Caveza. I I love the raid.
• 1:01:19
  So ending actually playing Queen Ansarek watching it is different
• 1:01:25
  from playing it. Ending actually playing it.
• 1:01:27
  I think Queen Ansarek could potentially be my favorite boss
• 1:01:29
  fight of all time. It's like a greatest hits of
• 1:01:34
  boss mechanics all rolled into one and the visuals are amazing.
• 1:01:38
  We could just get rid of some of the server lag.
• 1:01:40
  That will be fantastic. I run a beast of a computer and
• 1:01:44
  I still run with like optimized raid settings from the post of
• 1:01:48
  the lucky one made forever ago. And it's still like like
• 1:01:53
  watching a PowerPoint sometimes. So.
• 1:01:55
  But if the fight itself is a lot of fun, I'm really, really
• 1:01:57
  looking forward to seeing what it looks like on Mythic for the
• 1:02:00
  rest of us. OK.
• 1:02:01
  But Speaking of the rest of us, a lot of times we look at these
• 1:02:06
  world first teams, we look at these teams that are competing
• 1:02:09
  at these levels, even the ones that are stuck behind the quote
• 1:02:12
  UN quote wall of rationale. And we don't understand that
• 1:02:17
  there is a complete breakdown, a difference between guilds that
• 1:02:23
  are pushing world 1st and those who are like able to get cutting
• 1:02:29
  edge within the season. And like the difference between
• 1:02:32
  there there's day rating, there's so forth.
• 1:02:33
  So like, honestly, I wanted to take this opportunity to kind of
• 1:02:36
  like break that down a little bit.
• 1:02:38
  Like what kind of separates all of these different guilds?
• 1:02:41
  Even the guilds that sometimes come in really early, you're
• 1:02:45
  looking at like revision and and melee mechanics that come in and
• 1:02:49
  get those early kills, but they do not have any aspirations of
• 1:02:53
  ever getting world first. Like what makes the difference
• 1:02:55
  between these guilds? I mean, specifically in that
• 1:02:58
  world, first range funding is the biggest differentiator when
• 1:03:03
  you have three teams whose players are professional players
• 1:03:06
  who can afford to play for as many hours a day as they need to
• 1:03:10
  play to prepare as many characters do as many splits and
• 1:03:14
  then have teams of analysts and organizers and auction hosts,
• 1:03:18
  you know, employees and we Gora writers, all of that stuff that
• 1:03:24
  makes a huge difference. That's why there's only three
• 1:03:26
  teams in the race, because nobody else can compete with
• 1:03:29
  that. That makes a huge difference.
• 1:03:31
  But if you if you remove those three and then you look at the,
• 1:03:34
  you know, world 4 to 25, a lot of that comes down to, you know,
• 1:03:39
  which teams can day raid, which teams can put more hours in.
• 1:03:42
  And then the, the, I think the biggest factor, and I think this
• 1:03:47
  is as true, as true for first place as it is for 15 hundredth,
• 1:03:50
  it comes down to organization. How organized is your leadership
• 1:03:56
  team? How organized is your A-Team?
• 1:03:58
  And how much of that information is being delivered to the
• 1:04:00
  Raiders makes such a massive difference.
• 1:04:04
  That is the difference between the Guild getting CE at, you
• 1:04:07
  know, world rank 500 and CE at world rank 1200.
• 1:04:11
  You're going in with prepared healer notes, detailed boss
• 1:04:14
  diagrams, explanations of the raid, and all of the raid team
• 1:04:17
  has seen this information ahead of time and it's all been
• 1:04:20
  delivered. Or if your, if your raid team
• 1:04:22
  has either the GM or the raid leader or somebody else
• 1:04:24
  designated like handing out, here's your checklist.
• 1:04:27
  Make sure you do this all this week.
• 1:04:29
  You know, 88 minimum of eight bountiful delves with keys, 810
• 1:04:37
  plus 10s only spend ruined crests on 6/13 items you need to
• 1:04:42
  run plus nines to get these. All of this information needs to
• 1:04:45
  be collated and disseminated to a raid team.
• 1:04:48
  The teams that have the organizational structures that
• 1:04:50
  give this information to the Raiders early and often will be
• 1:04:54
  more successful than the teams that don't.
• 1:04:55
  The teams that just sort of yellow it and go about the day.
• 1:04:59
  And that mentality shift is really hard to lock in for some
• 1:05:01
  players. A lot of players think I just
• 1:05:03
  have to play better and I can win.
• 1:05:05
  But there's so much, there's so much advantage to being
• 1:05:09
  organized. And it's if you're not somebody
• 1:05:13
  who enjoys that organization of that structure, it can suck some
• 1:05:17
  of the fun out of it for you. You know, I have a friend who's
• 1:05:20
  like, I like to go in and see every boss blind for the first
• 1:05:23
  time in Normal, but then after that, I'm going to look it up.
• 1:05:28
  And I have other friends who are like, I only learn by doing, so
• 1:05:32
  I don't watch videos. Well, you're that's OK.
• 1:05:36
  That's how you want to play. You need to find a team whose
• 1:05:39
  mentality matches that. And then don't compare yourself
• 1:05:42
  to those teams who are doing, you know who's who's rate
• 1:05:45
  leaders are doing 14 announcements a week with
• 1:05:48
  detailed boss strategy breakdowns.
• 1:05:51
  Don't compare yourselves there because there's a difference.
• 1:05:52
  And that is that's a huge difference.
• 1:05:56
  Organization knowing what needs to be done.
• 1:05:58
  And it's not just knowing to be done.
• 1:05:59
  It's knowing what you don't know, right?
• 1:06:02
  Oh, I don't know what I can spend my crests on to upgrade.
• 1:06:04
  Where do I get that information as opposed to, oh, I got some
• 1:06:07
  items, I'm just going to upgrade them because I have the crests,
• 1:06:10
  you know, or your first vault comes out.
• 1:06:13
  People, I saw people this week who were like, I'm going to SIM
• 1:06:15
  my vaults this week. Well, simming it this week
• 1:06:18
  doesn't account for if you are going to save mythic crests on a
• 1:06:23
  piece later down the road that you can upgrade.
• 1:06:25
  Doesn't account for so much. There's so many things that you
• 1:06:29
  need an organized leadership team on your raid team helping
• 1:06:34
  you with, and that's a full time job for whoever takes it.
• 1:06:38
  Ideally it'd be broken up. Some teams it's handled by one
• 1:06:41
  person alone. If you're on one of those teams
• 1:06:45
  and you have a raid leader who does that, buy them something
• 1:06:48
  nice. A cupcake, DoorDash, them a
• 1:06:50
  coffee, whatever you can do. Just send them a message and say
• 1:06:54
  thanks for everything. That will help.
• 1:06:56
  But I think that's the biggest difference, right?
• 1:06:58
  It's not. You'll hear people say, oh, if
• 1:07:00
  the people on my team were better or oh, if I played for 16
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  hours, those things are incremental.
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  Those are so small. If you played for more hours or
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  so small. I talked to somebody who and
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  who's quite good at the game and I was like, hey, why don't you
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  play for world first? You cast all of them, Why
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  wouldn't you play? And he's like, well, I can't
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  focus enough for a long enough period of time to be that good
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  at the game for that long. I don't have that ability and
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  they recognize that. So instead of being a world
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  first team on a world 25 team or a world top ten team, but those
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  teams, they're organized, they have that information.
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  There's checklists, you've got spreadsheets, you've got, you
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  know, hey, this week or tracks your weekly events.
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  Install it, use it. And that's the biggest
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  difference. If you find a team that does
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  that, don't ever leave it. As long as the people aren't
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  shitty. That's the other thing is you
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  want a good environment where everybody feels welcome and
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  everybody feels like we're all on the same team, We're all
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  contributing. Yeah, but it's that it is 100%
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  that organization. It it has to be somebody has to
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  be giving you that information and helping you to find it.
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  And the more time you spend in that environment, the more like
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  second nature it becomes and the more success you have.
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  That's my answer, I guess. Get get yourself some analysts
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  and people that are good at spreadsheets.
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  No, I think that that is all good things and I do want to, I
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  do want to pull out one part of that that that is separate from
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  mythic rating, but is going to help a Guild at any level.
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  And that is underneath all of it.
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  Like that was tying it all together.
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  Is this mindset of collaboration.
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  If you have a team, regardless of whether it's coming from a
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  few people or it's, or if it's everybody going in together, if
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  you have that team that's collaborating, you are going to
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  be more successful. It is one thing if one guy is
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  bringing all the feasts and another guy is bringing the
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  cauldrons and another guy is like taking care of this.
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  That helps a lot and I think makes a team more successful.
• 1:09:08
  It is a different thing. And I'm sure many people who
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  listen to this will get out of raid night and then have to
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  figure out everything else by themselves.
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  And then they'll get back in on the next raid night and it'll be
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  like, guys, I need you to why didn't you run all of this and
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  this and this and this in between and no structure going
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  to put it together or no, like the people who are raiding and
• 1:09:31
  you cannot find somebody to do a mythic plus with.
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  I've been in those environments and it feels weird to be in
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  those environments to me. Yeah, it like that.
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  That's the collaboration. I think that just pushes the
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  game to be a lot more fun and the teams to be a lot more
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  successful. So I would suggest if you're
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  having fun with people, reach out to them outside of the
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  organized events and and maybe organize yourself a little bit
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  more, but just do more of it together because the game is
• 1:10:04
  always more fun with other people.
• 1:10:08
  I'm now feeling like I'm quoting a very Hallmark tweet.
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  We're going to. You're on a team.
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  Be a team. Be a.
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  Team. Yeah.
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  What? With that said, there have been
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  a number of classes that have been shining in the raid and I I
• 1:10:27
  got to ask you, give me the lowdown on this situation with
• 1:10:32
  everybody's favorite healer, Preservation Evoker.
• 1:10:36
  What is going on with those numbers?
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  I am contractually obligated not to say anything that could
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  potentially get Preservation Evoker nerfs due to us having a
• 1:10:47
  very happy Preservation Evoker on our raid team.
• 1:10:51
  With that in mind, I think Preservation Evoker is perfectly
• 1:10:54
  balanced and should be left alone post Race to World First.
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  OK, And if if I were to like just hide your camera for a
• 1:11:04
  little bit and we have like a Deep Throat moment.
• 1:11:06
  What the hell is going on with Preservation Evoker?
• 1:11:10
  That wasn't expected coming out of the Bay when we we came into
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  the season knowing preservation was going to be strong for this
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  reason. Rewind is a big part of it.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, they're just doing a lot of healing, a lot of healing.
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  And they're really good at healing.
• 1:11:26
  Absorb Shields. There's a lot of absorb Shields
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  in the rain and. OK.
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  They just are not getting nerfed.
• 1:11:33
  It's the raid damages sort of tailored to their kit.
• 1:11:37
  Yeah, yeah, it's similar to the way that Fury Warrior was like
• 1:11:40
  custom made for so many of the boss fights.
• 1:11:42
  Like all these bosses have ad spawns at a minute 30.
• 1:11:45
  Oh, cool. Yeah, it's just, it's just
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  really well for them. I suspect once the race ends,
• 1:11:52
  Blizzard typically tries to avoid sending nerfs mid race.
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  I suspect once this race is over, we'll see some tuning
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  changes on Preservation. So don't hard swap to
• 1:12:04
  Preservation just yet. Holy Paladins.
• 1:12:08
  Do you think you'll see some help for Holy Paladins?
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  They're not doing terrible. They're not doing that bad, but
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  like when I look at kill composition.
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  You can't World first. Yeah.
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  But like they stack towards things at work with those with
• 1:12:30
  those teams. Like we've seen like everybody
• 1:12:34
  with Blood Twister being like we're going to grab every DK we
• 1:12:37
  can, right? So like they became big with.
• 1:12:40
  There are. They're artificially adding
• 1:12:43
  classes that they don't need. You're never going to run no
• 1:12:46
  team outside of those for world. First teams is going to run 4
• 1:12:48
  Frosty K's on Oven X. There's no team has four Frosty
• 1:12:52
  K's. And secondly, it's not going to
• 1:12:54
  be needed by the time we get there with gear in upgrades, eye
• 1:12:57
  level scores, They need those. They need those specific damages
• 1:13:02
  now and then. They were also using the evokers
• 1:13:06
  to knock mobs under oven axe and then having them stunned under
• 1:13:10
  oven axe to kill them instead of having to chase them around the
• 1:13:13
  room. So and these are all things
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  nobody else is going to do. The strats, if you're watching,
• 1:13:20
  nobody should be watching Race to world 1st and thinking, oh,
• 1:13:22
  my Guild is going to need to do that to get world 700.
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  You're not. You're 100% not.
• 1:13:29
  And you say it though, because I because I can't you to say it,
• 1:13:32
  because I need you to say it, because people are going to look
• 1:13:35
  and they're going to be like, what did method do on their like
• 1:13:38
  kill? And what did liquid do on on
• 1:13:40
  their kill? And oh, this team killed it
• 1:13:43
  faster. So like this is the the comp
• 1:13:45
  that I need. I need to stack as many
• 1:13:47
  preservation of ochres and frosty KS and like, I guess I
• 1:13:51
  only need one enhancement shaman for the buff and the hell with
• 1:13:56
  the rest of them. Like there are, there are
• 1:13:59
  clearly bad lessons that people are going to take away from
• 1:14:02
  this. And sometimes I I play devil's
• 1:14:05
  advocate just so. You, that's what that was OK,
• 1:14:07
  yeah, people don't do that. Play the class you want to play.
• 1:14:11
  By the time your Guild gets there to kill it, you're going
• 1:14:14
  to be OK. You're 639.
• 1:14:18
  Miss Weaver is going to be just fine.
• 1:14:20
  It'll probably have had some adjustments, both the boss and
• 1:14:22
  the class in between then method.
• 1:14:25
  Just got the re kill of Ovanext by the way.
• 1:14:27
  There you go. With how many DKS?
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  You. Don't have to answer that,
• 1:14:33
  that's fine. Well, I'm really excited for
• 1:14:37
  this outside of rating and Mythic Plus, I am really wanting
• 1:14:44
  to dive into 11 point O .5 and all the stuff that's coming
• 1:14:48
  there. It looks like there's some
• 1:14:50
  stuff, there's some stuff that's going to be very fun.
• 1:14:55
  But I also am surprised because 10 point O .5 gave us content in
• 1:15:02
  in the Forbidden Reach and we're, I don't think we've seen
• 1:15:07
  any of that in 11 point O .5 unless it's encrypted and
• 1:15:10
  nobody's bothered to look. It feels.
• 1:15:13
  How long do you expect it it'll be between 11 point O .5 and 11
• 1:15:18
  point O .7? Because I'm thinking it's going
• 1:15:20
  to be sooner than people think. Before Christmas, we're getting
• 1:15:24
  1110 point O point or 11 point O .5 on October 23rd.
• 1:15:28
  I suspect .7 will be sometime around Thanksgiving.
• 1:15:32
  Okay, all right, I think that's a pretty good guess.
• 1:15:34
  I was gonna say early December, but yeah, I think that's a.
• 1:15:37
  Pretty early December works like that.
• 1:15:39
  Well, there's a lot to look forward to and hopefully they
• 1:15:42
  will start giving more information on that.
• 1:15:44
  We should see a world first kill any day now.
• 1:15:49
  This is clearly not going to make it through another reset.
• 1:15:52
  I think the when I last checked the guilds were roughly around
• 1:15:55
  60% on best polls. Yeah.
• 1:15:58
  So unless something crazy happened, there was a big
• 1:16:01
  breakthrough, I think we'll see a kill probably in the next two
• 1:16:05
  or three days. Yep, Friday feels like a good
• 1:16:07
  day for a kill. Lex is going to be away again
• 1:16:11
  next week, but there will be a bonus episode with Lex that's
• 1:16:15
  gonna be out. I'm gonna put it out on the
• 1:16:17
  Patreon. It will not be behind any kind
• 1:16:19
  of pay wall. Anybody can watch it.
• 1:16:20
  I recorded an episode with Lex because, you know, we miss her
• 1:16:23
  when she's not around. But we will be back again next
• 1:16:27
  week, and until that time, all your hits be crits.