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Patti Dixon · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Welcome back. This is Michelle Hughes. I'm so happy to be here today.
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Actually getting ready to move back to San Francisco from Los Angeles, so
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this is one of my last studio podcasts. However, you're not going to
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forget about me because I'm going to continue doing the Zoom remote by my home
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in San Francisco. So stay tuned. We have lots more good stuff coming
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in the ensuing weeks. Today my guest is Pattie Dixon, and we're going
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to be talking about a subject that I know is very interesting to a lot
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of people, but they think it might be just women, but it actually
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is both women and men, and I'll tell you why in a moment.
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The subject is platelet rich plasma and that is p r P. That's the
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acronym for platelet rich plasma. And we're going to talk to Patty, who
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is one of the forerunners in this industry. She's been doing platelet rich plasma
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for about ten years now, since two thousand and nine, but she's had
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thirty years in the pharmaceutical actually in pharmacies, correct, Patty, right,
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Okay, Well, welcome to Ageless and Timeless. And Patty is a graduate
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of University of Houston. Her office is very close to Houston, in a
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town called Stafford, if anyone is familiar with that area. And Patty works
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with George Brexit. Who's is that? How he says his last name?
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Patty Brexit r Etz? Oh, I just lost the audio. Hold on,
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Hold on one second, Patty, we lost your audio. Okay,
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try again? Is his last name b r et Z breats? Can you
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raise it a little bit? I'm losing her. Okay, Patty, hold
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on one sec. We're trying a little technical glitch here. Uh, that's
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better now I can hear you. I'll move closer. Okay, there we
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go. So, and what how do you say George's last name? Rats?
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B r Etz? Oh? Rats? Okay, sorry about that.
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I'm thinking I'm thinking of England right. So, you and George have been
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partners for business partners for a very long time, and you've evolved this business
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called doctor PRP, which I think is a very interesting name. Would you
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tell us, first of all, how has PRP changed since two thousand and
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nine until today? And that's one part of the question. The first part
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of the question, maybe before to answer first is what is PRP? What
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is platelet rich So let's start with that and then segue to how has the
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procedure changed in the ten years that you have been involved. Okay, it
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started early in the nineteen nineties. Maybe it was first discovered by an orthopedic
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I'm sorry, an dentist, and they used it in bone graphs and implant
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surgeries and things like that, and they learned that it would stimulate the bone
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growth much more quickly and the bone would grow back stronger. They were able
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to put the implants in a little bit quicker, and they had less failure
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with it, and it moved into sinus lifts and things like that. From
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there, it went into general surgery in the R and they used it in
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cardiothoracic surgeries. Before they close the patient up, they would mix this platelet
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rich plasma with calcium chloride and throm and then they would use an apparatus and
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they would spray it into that open wound right before they suit her. And
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then those patients got out of ICU much more quickly, they got off their
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mens quickly. They just did better in general overall, they had fewer bringbacks,
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fewer infections, and from there they went into open knee surgeries and open
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hips and spines and things like that. So at that time, the hospital
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paid for it, and then the geek scientists would sort of put their little
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science caps on and think, well, if it would help with healing in
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the r what would it do if we just injected it into tissues. So
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they began to inject it into joints for muscular skeletal disorders or sports injuries,
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or arthritis or any kind of an overused syndrome, and they learned that the
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platelets would then go into that area and they would stimulate healing in an area
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that may not have that much blood flow where platelets could get into the area
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to heal. So backtracking for those who aren't aware of what PRP or plately
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rich plasma is, it is a process where we take a little bit of
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blood and we separate the components out the red blood cells from the plasma and
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platelets. The platelets are the cells in your body that do the actual healing.
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When you cut yourself, platelets rush to that area and they start to
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nit that cut together and then they release growth factors. There's over twenty growth
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factors at more than that. Probably we're learning every day more and more about
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all of the different components and growth factors that are in the platelet that releases
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that cascade of healing. But we learned back in probably two thousand and six
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seven eight that if we would take these and harness them and inject them into
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an area of damage, that they would start to heal and in many instances
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stay off surgery and actually start to heal that tissue such as a torn or
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afraid ligament or attendant or meniscal damage, anything that you might have trouble with
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just out of aging or out of an accident or overuse. Those platelets,
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when placed in that area, strategically can go in and start to heal that
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tissue. When we inject them into the face in that dermal layer, they
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sort of see those wrinkles and that flattening, thinner tissue as damage, and
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so the platelet starts to get to work immediately and starts to repair and sort
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of rejuvenate and thicken that dermal tissue. It does the same thing with hair.
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A hair follicle is in that dermal papillary layer, and it will stimulate
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that hair follicle to start growing. So we use it in lots and lots
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of esthetic applications. That is so fascinating. So the platelet is stimulating a
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circulatory response as well as a growth factor healing response. Is that how you
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would It stimulates, It does a lot of different things in those growth factors
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and also other cell signalers that are in that plasma that we inject. Are
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lots of signaling factors and cells communicate and they talk to one another, and
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when there's damage, if there's a lack of these platelets, there's a lack
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of this communication highways. So putting those platelets in that area stimulates the communication
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and it tells the cell what to do, when to sort of create tissue
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meant to stop the inflammation, when to bring in a certain amount of healing
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of bone or skin or whatever that tissue is that is damaged. The signaling
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factors are doing the work, stimulating your body to do what would normally do.
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So, Patty, why a platelet? I mean there are other parts
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of the blood that are also have circulatory and healing property, So why platelets.
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The platelets carry the growth factors. When you look at a platelet under
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a microscope, it's a little disc or a disc like shape. When it
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is called to the scene of injury. It is stimulated to open up,
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and then when it opens up, it looks more like a knotted up little
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knot with all of these little protrusions in it. And that's sort of what
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forms the scab or the healing part as that starts to degranulate or degranulize,
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those growth factors are released. Red blood cells have a different function. They
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carry oxygen and nutrients and things like that. White blood cells are the inflammatory
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response cells, so they each different cell has a different function. The platelet
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is the one that carries that knitting together factor or that healing factor. All
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of them work together in a healthy scenario when there's nothing wrong to do their
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own job. The platelet's main function is to heal. Is to heal.
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So what has to happen before the platelets are centrifuged to what do you do
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to prep the patient to determine the adequacy of the platelets that everything else about
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the patient is healthy enough to be able to do this procedure. They can
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usually go in and have a series of bloodwork done. It's not necessary.
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Most people in general are fit and able to have per P therapy if they
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are on anticoagulative therapy or heart medications which will thin the blood. A lot
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of those will work by inhibiting the platelets ability to stick together and release those
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growth factors. So if they're on an anticoagulative therapy or some heart medications,
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they may need to get off of that if their physician will allow it for
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a week or so, and then the blood can be drawn. But normally
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there's not anything special that they need to do. If they're in overall general
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good health, they can go in and have their blood drawn. It doesn't
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take very much blood. Our little system operates on twenty ccs of blood,
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which is not very much is. It goes into the centrifuge. It's centrifuge
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for about four minutes. It will then isolate those platelets in an area where
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we can capture them. We can lock them away from the red blood cells,
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and then we can manipulate that that top product and we can do a
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lot of things with it. So what what kind of downtime is there for
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Let's let's just focus for a moment on the aesthetic on the face. I
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assume it's the face and the declete that can be done for it. Back
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of the hands, Yes, back of the hands. Okay, So let's
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just focus on aesthetics for the moment because there are so many applications that you've
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already touched on. However, I think for today's podcasts we're going to stay
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with beauty and aesthetics. So um, if that's okay with you? So,
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okay, I know it's a big subject. So so so what kind
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of downtime if if if a patient comes in has a procedure, can they
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go right back to work or does there swelling or bruising or what normally?
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Do you see? Many many times they can go right back to work.
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It depends on what they're having done. There are lots and lots of ways
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that we can get the platelets into the skin to do what we want them
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to do. We can direct them injectly, directly inject them manually with a
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needle and a syringe and just inject the platelets all over the face. We
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can use a system called a micropigmentation device, which is what they use for
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tattooing, and it has a multi needle cartridge to it and you can drop
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the platelets unto the face and then these needles go in very quickly and the
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platelets get driven into that layer through those needles as they puncture the skin then
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make little teeny tiny micro channels the platelets are driven in that way. There
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is an automatic injection unit that you can use which has either five or nine
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needles. You can dial in the amount that you want it to deliver into
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the skin. You can dial in the depth that you want it to go,
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and you can dial um there. It has a section mechanism that sucks
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the skin up to the cartridge and you can dial that in. You can
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really go ahead, No, it's gonna say it sounds like that's a more
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cutting edge. Let me tell you that that technology is the newest technology that
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we had we that we have. We worked with it for about a year
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before we decided that it was that it was a nice way to get the
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platelets in the area to do their thing. What we didn't bank on and
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was a nice surprise, was that the results were so much better. There's
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fewer bruising. The patient many times can return to work the next day.
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Whatever um little teeny tiny um marks that the needles make are normally covered up
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by makeup. There's not a lot of swelling bruising is rare, it does
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happen. For a year, I was ragging, Oh, I've never bruised
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anybody with this, anybody with this, And then lo and behold, I
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was doing demonstration. I bruised somebody right here. Come to find out she
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was on a lot of retinae and she was her skin dynamics. And you
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can bruise with it a little bit, but it's not it's not like the
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old days. Well, so what what what do you combine with the platelets
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vow in the more advanced applications that will be even a better result than pure
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plates. You're going to start hearing a lot about cord blood stem cells and
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what they can do with the facial rejuvenation. Now, the FDA does not
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allow us to mix the PRP and the stem cells. So what they'll do
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is they'll use them in tandem. So they'll inject a little bit with the
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platelets, and then they'll turn right around and they'll inject with the stem cells,
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and then they'll follow up and do another And why is it that the
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FDA does not allow you to combine the platelets with the stem cells because Big
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Pharma does not want us to use our own bodies to heal ourselves. And
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so they claim that when we do that, we're making a drug. Oh
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so it's it's it's it's a it's just a it's not true. You're not
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creating a drug. But in order to stay compliant, which we do,
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we work with it and do exactly as we're told, not as we're not
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supposed to do, and so as you can with it. So where did
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the stem cells come from? Normally, uh, chord blood. If you
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wanted to have your own tissue processed, you could do that. That's rather
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expensive. Yeah, the best way I think to do it, and this
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is my personal opinion, is through cord blood stem cells because it's a UM
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readily sourced UH product. The mothers are screened and UM the product is screened.
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And there's a wonderful company that we work with out of California that has
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their own proprietary technology and UM their UH protocols are extremely strangent. Many times
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they don't even pass their own test. And that is that the is that
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the company in San Diego stem Medica. No oh okay, okay, well
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that's okay. I know that there's some certain things that are proprietary, So
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I don't want to probe on who the sources are, except that we all
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know that stem cells have some efficacy issues and it really does depend on where
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they're being harvested. And seems like, uh, you're saying these are pluripotent
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or as stem cells, adult stem cells, they're not at atolegus means that
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it comes from the patient. You Okay, well, at a post if
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you had your at a post tissue, a little bit liposuction done maybe on
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your tummy, your hips or thighs, and they took right away and they
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processed it and they got the stem cells out. They could they could do
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that for facial aesthetics. Um, it's uh from chord blood. So that's
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from donated umbilical chords of babies and mothers who were enrolled into a special program
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and they were followed throughout their pregnancy and then tested and then the product was
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tested. And I assume that you have to do some very diligent testing to
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be sure that these are pure. It is highly regulated, ye, highly
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regulated, right? And what about dermal fillers, how how does that work?
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With combination of the PRP that works very very well. They'll normally go
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in and do the facial fillers first, and then they will follow up with
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PRP in and around that area. The PRP sort of likes to use that
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as a scaffold and it will sort of set up house keeping wherever that filler
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is and it will start working with that filler to enhance the filling of that
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space with light tissue. If we go on your website, can we see
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some before and after pictures? I don't think so there are there in our
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blog section. You may be able to find some, but we don't always
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get permission to put things like that on yeah, on the site. Okay,
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So, but what is your website? Just so we can let the
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viewers know, it's d r PRP usa dot com. Okay, so d
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r PRP doctor PRP usa dot com. Just for anyone that wants to look
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further what the protocol includes. So, so, okay, Patty, I'm
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going to ask you a personal question. So what have you done? Everybody's
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gonna want to know because you look so good. What have you done?
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And how many times? And what exactly have been your conclusions. Let's talk
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about you for a moment. Okay, way back when we very first begin
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to explore the thought of injecting PRP. I was our first guinea pig,
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and that was back in two thousand and probably ten, and we had an
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older system. We took one hundred and twenty ccs of blood and we injected
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all over my face, in my neck, we did the backs of my
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hands, and I committed at that time to do nothing else for a year
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because we wanted some firsthand knowledge as to whether or not this worked. At
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the time, there were only a few papers that had been written on it,
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and at the time that was my job to go out and sell these
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services in these therapies to providers in our area. So we needed to see
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does this work before we open this market. And at about five weeks I
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went back to the nurse that injected me. I said, I don't think
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it did anything. I don't think it did anything. I'm so disappointed.
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I'm so disappointed. And she said, oh, I don't know. I
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don't know. She said, let's take your pictures and see. I said,
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okay, but you know, the patient sees their face every day and
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the changes take place very very slowly every day. And so we took my
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picture and we printed it out and we took pictures with makeup and without makeup
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so that we could see a fair comparison. A lot of places will take
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the before picture without makeup, and then they'll take the after picture with makeup,
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and that's not a fair assessment. So we took the pictures with makeup,
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and then I went in and I washed my face, and we took
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the pictures without makeup, and we held them side by side, and I
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just thought, wow, it looked like to me, it took me back
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about eighteen months in aging in that five week time. So we kind of
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decided at that point, yes, this is real, because the maximum benefit
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that a patient can visually see is right at about twelve weeks, and so
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we did additional follow up photos at twelve weeks and there was still yet additional
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improvement After that twelfth week. There are still healing and changes that are taking
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place, but it's not really discernible to the human eye. They have to
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do histological studies and look at it under a microscope to see, and there
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are some studies that say and show that even as much as twelve months out,
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that tissue is still being rejuvenated, and at that point the aging process
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sort of starts over again and it's time to redo it. The ideal scenario
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is to have three treatments thirty days apart, and then evaluate three months after
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that last treatment. That seems to be the same with hair restoration, face,
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cellulite, even bones and joints. If you're going to have to do
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multiple treatments, that seems to be about the standard protocol. Even though there
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are gurus in the field who have their own protocols, and they have their
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own rehab protocols, and they might say something differently, and I certainly respect
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and would advocate whatever they tell me because their pay grades a little bit higher
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than money. That just seems to be a standard um protocol. Okay,
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that the patients really see a lot of benefits. So it's a ninety day
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commitment. Every thirty days, you do a treatment for three months basically for
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three times, and then then over the next twelve months is when you will
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see gradual but unsubtle but definitely improvement. Is that yeah, yeah, that's
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a fair assessment. So so what about what about microneedling and the vampire facial
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and all these kind of uh, I don't know, I thought they were
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fads, but everybody's talking about them as if they're here to stay like botox.
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So tell us more about how that micro needling or the so called vampire
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facial fits with what you're doing with PRP. Okay, the vampire facial we're
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not allowed to discuss because that is a trademarked okay, procedure. Okay,
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So we need to be very clear that we UM do not use that term.
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Oh okay, sorry about that. But what can you say what is
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a vampire facial without saying I cannot okay associated with the physician that holds okay
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okay. Flatly rich plasma facial or platelet rich plasma facial rejuvenation is uh.
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Normally, UM platelets are injected into the face in lots of different ways.
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They might do little teeny tiny mezo like injections or like um, little teeny
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tiny injections all over the skin. They might just injected in strategic areas like
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under the eyes, in the nasolabial folds and the marionette lines, and then
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they might micro needle it all over the face. That's very, very popular.
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That downtime is a little bit longer because those needles going in and out
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of the face create quite a bit of trauma, and that's where that healing
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cascade starts. In about between four and ten days, you'll peel a little
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bit as if you had a facial peel, but not a lot. And
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then the most beautiful skin and emerges about that tenth day and your skin just
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looks amazing. You could do another PRP therapy then, but I say,
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why don't you just enjoy that beautiful skin for the next twenty days and then
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you hit it again and do it, and then thirty days later, hit
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it again and do it. But we know that every PRP treatment synergizes itself
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upon the PRP treatment prior to because those platelets are still working. So you
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do this. It's wonderful facial treatment. The platelets are working and they're rejuvenating,
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and you give your face a little bit of a rest and you enjoy
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that beautiful skin, and then you hit it again, and now the integrity
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of the skins a little bit stronger, it's a little bit more, the
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dermal layer is a little thicker. It just gets a little bit better and
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a little bit better and a little bit better. I have yet to see
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somebody that I look at and say that too many treatments. I've seen people
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and I thought, get too much botox? Are they've had too many fellers?
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But I have not once ever looked at a person and said, oh,
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they need to hold back on that PRP. It's the nature of the
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therapy. It's hard to overdo PRP. Right, Wow, So the this
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is the this is a maybe an unfair question. So if someone comes in
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and you see really deep wrinkles and scarring and pigmentation, you know, really
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really extreme condition, do you ever turn someone down because you know that their
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expectations may exceed what reality can produce even with the PRP. I might ask
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them to give it some serious thoughts about what they really really are going to
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expect out of one treatment. And if I think that I'm not going to
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be able to deliver that, I'll say, you know, I can't do
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that. So you do interview the patients beforehand, because I'm thinking about so
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many people who are extremely unrealistic about how a protocol can affect the result and
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then they are just walking down the path of disappointment and then of course holding
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you, as the facilitator, you know, in responsible for that. So
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there's a kind I mean, you do have a psychology as well as a
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procedure. You know what I'm saying, every provider does. Every provider needs
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to make that distinction and find out what the motivation is for doing that.
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If you're just feeling well and you want to look as good as you feel,
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you know, I'll always tell my patient, I can't take you back
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too better than you were a year or two ago, but I can take
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you back too very similar to where you were a year or two ago.
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And with each therapy treatment it seems to do that. And I also will
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tell them that is my own personal opinion. That is not a scientific opinion.
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That is just what I think by looking at photos of myself and people
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that have had it done, how many they've had done. I don't know
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how many I've had done since two thousand and nine, not as many as
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I would like to, because it's like the shoemaker they have, you know,
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the worst shoes of anybody but you when you do today, because so
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much has changed. As you've said that, the application has changed to be
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far more efficient effective. The contents of the plasma have changed in the sense
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that you can add or at least combine let's say other kingdom with their cellular
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modality, no doubt, that's a great way to say it. And so
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so okay, given were we are today, and this is what my very
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first question was to you, other than to define PRPs. What has changed
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over the years and you've touched on that. But now today, if let's
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say, right now, we were going to do a procedure in your office
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on you or somebody's going to what would you be requesting of them, the
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provider, to do to get the maximum results for you? As you have
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had more experience than most with this, so what where would you I would
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ask for a PRP uh facial injection with the automatic injector, okay, and
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would you combine it with the stem cells like you said earlier or would you
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think it afforded? I would? I did that in April the first we
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did a cord blood stem cell okay uh injection. But I did one and
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George did one because we wanted to see and we wanted to measure, and
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we wanted to uh look at the outcomes and see what the the difference was.
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Downtime is nothing, nothing, I mean twenty four hours later, I
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have a picture you can't even tell I had anything anything done. Wow,
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that's amazing. Yeah, And it was just just amazing. And I was
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just visiting George in the hospital and a woman that he did from his church
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came in envisted. She looked amazing, and I know he's done. I
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know he did a stem cell on her with the automatic injector, and I
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know he did up here and with her. Where do you see the greatest
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results of wrinkles or pigmentation or volume or you know where where is the greatest?
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I would all of it, not necessarily so much volume because platelet rich
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plasma and even stem cells can't do a lot for volume loss. That's a
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fat loss issue. That's a feel jump or fat grafting. But what it
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does is it I want to say it shrinks the skin, but it doesn't
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shrink the skin. It just boosts that integrity of the skin so that when
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the skin lays over the scletal structure, it's not sinking into the sallows as
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much as it's kind of holding onto the skeletal structure and the muscular structure.
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So mostly when we lose volume, it's a lot of loss. It's muscle
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loss, it's fat loss, its own loss. It's all of those tissues.
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So when the skin has a little more integrity to it, it sort
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of holds onto whatever that structure is with a little more integrity. So it's
34:55
like using a cotton sheet and a quilt. If you put your hand on
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a table and you lay a cotton sheet over it, you'll see your hand
35:09
underneath that sheet. But if you put your hand on a table and you
35:14
lay a quilt over it, you'll see sort of less of that hand.
35:17
You might see a little bit of it, but it's just covered a little
35:22
bit better by that thicker material. And that's what PRP does. It just
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thickens that layer of the skin that's responsible for your collagen and you're a lasting
35:35
and that's just right underneath the epidermis. Epidermis is the part that you see.
35:43
The dermal layer is underneath that, and that's where all of the strength
35:46
and the structure and the integrity of yourself and most cosmetics we all know never
35:52
make it to be below the epidermis, right, so there you kind of
35:58
it's like surface there. This job is to keep things out of there and
36:02
to protect that. So getting your cosmoceuticals in there is a difficult job unless
36:09
you have an apparatus like a microneedler or something that will pierce that skin a
36:15
little bit and you can drive those cosmoceuticals into that layer. They're not going
36:21
to get in m I know. I know so Patty. When someone comes
36:30
to you and they want to do the whole body, and we're trying to
36:36
stay with aesthetics today. But what if somebody says, you know, I
36:38
don't like the way my arms look. I'm you know, having laxity,
36:43
and and you know they're looking for the PRP to do, you know,
36:46
effectiveness in other parts of their bodies. Do you ever allow those injections to
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other than the hands? Do you ever allow them in the legs or the
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and And it's not going to do what a plastic surgeon can do. That
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it is going to do is just give that skin a little more integrity.
37:07
It makes sag a little less. But if like this area right here,
37:13
if that's saggy, yeah, you can make it look a little better from
37:17
the integrity of the skin structure. But you can't. That's that's a that's
37:23
a tissue problem. That's not a skin right, it's laxity. Skin laxity,
37:30
which you know, this is not taking away skin laxity, This is
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actually helping the skin to look healthier, which which actually brings up and my
37:38
other burning question for you. So we all know the skin is the largest
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organ in the body and it does reflect our overall health and um, the
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the PRP uh is you know, going to be one modality that can affect
37:58
results positive results. However, what if someone has a lousy diet and they
38:04
don't exercise, and you know, they are sleep habits are terrible, and
38:08
they drink a lot. You know, so in other words, what if
38:12
the rest of their lifestyle is diminished going to diminish the effectiveness? How farrow
38:20
can PRP take us if the rest of the program isn't is not intact.
38:27
And then the second part of that question is how do you try to facilitate
38:31
that change so that you do get the maximum efficacy from the injections. That
38:37
is a great question because it is a whole body issue. Even if they
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come to me and they have a poor diet and they're maybe a smoker and
38:47
they're out in the sun all the time, I can tell them, yes,
38:52
a PRP treatment will help your skin look a little bit better, but
38:55
the results won't last. It's like taking a flower and planning it out into
39:01
your flower bed and it's gonna look good. You've given it a little fertilizer.
39:09
However, you may not be giving it the water that it needs.
39:14
It doesn't get any sunshine. Yeah, it's not gonna live. It's not
39:19
gonna last. So yet I can make it look a little bit better,
39:22
but it's not gonna last. So that's not typically our patient. That's not
39:28
typically the patient that most providers are going to see. Their patient is normally
39:36
somebody who feels good, looks good, still in the workforce, m younger.
39:45
Also, women and men are starting to think more in terms of longevity
39:52
and preventive maintenance, and those are typically the patients. They're more aware of
40:02
diet and exercise and environmental stress on their body, and that tends to be
40:13
the normal PRP day to day patient. Occasionally, you'll get somebody who's a
40:20
heavy smoker and a different lifestyle than more self care, and you can help
40:30
them a little bit, but they're going to have to address that inside of
40:34
their body. They're going to have to address nutrition, exercise, sun exposure.
40:43
It's a whole body issue. When they chose a ninety day program,
40:46
do you have to stay out of the sun completely or were very very intense
40:52
sunblots? Would suggest it. I would suggest it if you're going to do
40:55
a PRP treatment and you're going to spend the money to do that, and
41:00
you're gonna micro needle on top of that, that new baby skin is new,
41:08
it's baby tissue. You wouldn't take a brand new baby and put it
41:14
out in the sun. Why would you do that to your skin? So
41:16
yes, I would say stay out of the sun. If you'll absolutely have
41:21
to be out in the sun in protect yourself. Just in a bunch of
41:24
money to get this new skin, why are you going to go put it
41:30
in the oven? So it seems like we're coming into the months where people
41:32
should be thinking about if they want to do the treatment, go do it
41:37
during the more the winter months, particularly those of US California, Florida,
41:42
Houston, all you know those are areas where we have intense sun all the
41:45
time. Yeah, yeah, Surgeon's call that the pretty time birthrough March.
41:53
Hey, I always say my birthday comes at the right time. November one.
41:58
I can now think about all those treatments I couldn't do in the summertime,
42:05
right, that's right, that's right. So it's time. And so
42:08
does come get you some good string where a hat protect your eye? Okay,
42:15
your hands, your neck protect it. That's the only skin you're gonna
42:21
get the rest of your life, that's right. Of course, we are
42:23
finding all these ways to rejuvenate it. That that doesn't mean you're going to
42:27
have a meal ticket for a new skin. It's just it maybe a renewed
42:30
skin, right right, So so, Patty, what are the scientific studies
42:37
that you know, many people don't ever want to do any treatments until they
42:42
know that there's good science behind the protocol. So what what what would you
42:50
say about the depth of the scientific studies and the demonstration with the FDA,
42:57
and you know, in other words, give us an idea how how much
43:00
is behind and in the depth of PRP. Now, there there are tons
43:07
and tons of papers and studies, and you can go on medline and UM
43:16
any any medical UH website and just search the term PRP, facial rejuvenation,
43:27
PRP, tissue stimulation UH and and UM. You can even go on the
43:32
um NIH dot gov site and look at the studies that have been done,
43:39
and there's now plenty of data that supports the efficacy and the rationale for um
43:50
employing this kind of a therapy for for skin rejuvenation, in tissue rejuvenation in
43:54
general. Are there licenses or certifications or you need to be a doctor.
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What are the qualifications required to inject PRP? Every state is different, so
44:08
if you are a provider, I would suggest that you check with your licensure
44:14
boards, to your state boards. In most states, an r in a
44:21
nurse practitioner can do it, and in some states there are other credential medical
44:30
professionals that can do it underneath the supervision of a physician. Certainly, any
44:37
physician can do it just about in any state, but I would my recommendation
44:42
would be to check with your state board because the laws are different everywhere,
44:45
all of it everywhere. Okay. But before you can sell to a potential
44:51
customer, do you have to qualify them before you can write an order for
44:59
your equipment be used by them. Yes, we have to have their we
45:02
have to have their license, Okay, that they are provide quality. The
45:08
processing system is a prescription item, so okay, okay, good, So
45:14
Patty, before we run out of time today because time goes by so fast
45:17
when you're having fun, right And by the way, we've learned a lot
45:22
from you, and this is really helpful because, like I said the intro,
45:25
that you know, there's so many options that we have for our beauty
45:31
treatments, both invasive and non invasive. This isn't basically a non invasive treatment
45:38
and no downtime, So it really has a popularity today with people that really
45:45
you know, busy people who want just to look their very best. And
45:49
that's what ageless and Timeless is all about, of course, right, It
45:52
is realizing your full potential, feeling looking and feeling your very best, and
45:58
certainly your outer beauty is a part of that. Inner beauty of course is
46:01
all another aspect. But you know, sometimes when we affect our outer beauty,
46:07
our self image improves and that you know, changes some of our perceptions.
46:13
So um, well, so my question is the aftercare. I don't
46:17
want to run out of time, and I want us to talk a little
46:20
bit before we go about how people can access your care, your particular care.
46:25
But just tell us for a minute or so, what do you recommend
46:30
people do for aftercare? I know you have a cosmoceutical line. And I
46:34
understand that one of our prior podcast guests has been on you know, it
46:39
was on our shows. It was one of your vendors. So, um,
46:44
but tell us a little bit about your cosmoceuticals. Just just touch on
46:47
it. We don't need to spend much time. But if people want to
46:52
go ask you about aftercare, they know they can do so. But so
46:57
what do you recommend? I usually recommend and just after they have a prep
47:05
treatment, we have a facial mask that we will put on them. It's
47:09
a healing mask. It's a healing mask. We have a company called Rebel.
47:15
That's that's who was on our podcast, Rebecca Bell. Right. Yeah,
47:20
he's got some fabulous, fabulous products that we usually use and recommend and
47:24
we sell here in our facility for a lot of reasons, but the main
47:30
reason is they are pure. Yeah, they are of the past quality,
47:35
they are affordable, and um, they just work right. I have not
47:43
tried any of those products, and I've even tried some products that I didn't
47:47
realize it at the time but weren't really best from my skin. Okay,
47:51
but they're just really I have yet to come up against a product that I
47:57
thought, oh, that didn't work so well or I didn't really like that,
48:00
but her products are really stellar. Just released allar well. She she's
48:06
a PhD. And you know she's a she's a scientist who really wants to
48:10
make a difference in how people look. So you know, you're you're left
48:15
to look at the substance and the depth. You know, they just gave
48:19
me the They just gave me the high sign that we're just about out of
48:22
time. So I'm going to cut the cosmoceutical side short if you don't mind,
48:25
but tell us how people can come to get treatments from you or to
48:31
some of your providers if you want to give them a little plug, a
48:36
referral to people who are geographically not near Houston and want to access Is there
48:43
is there anything that you can tell us in two minutes? Yeah, real
48:46
quickly. We are located in Stafford, Texas at thirty seven twenty seven Greenbrier,
48:53
uh seven seven four seven eight. There is a facility in Merrimonickmarnick,
49:06
Thank you hire in cosmetics your numbers nine one four four five zero five five
49:12
four three. There's a doctor Leonard Rohman who's in Orange City, Florida.
49:16
His number is three nine six seven seventy five six eighty seven nine. There
49:23
is a trying to think of off the top of market. You know,
49:27
you know, you know what will do? You know, I have a
49:29
great idea. What we'll do is I will get from you a list of
49:32
the providers in the different geographic areas and I will put it posted on my
49:37
website, which is Ageless and Timeless dot com. And the meantime, if
49:43
people come to you, I know you were telling me earlier that you wanted
49:46
to offer a very special incentive if someone travels to Houston to have a treatment
49:52
or several treatments. So could you describe that? Sure, if they are
49:58
interested in either hair restoration or the new technology that we have with the autoinjector
50:04
on the face, that treatment is typically twelve hundred dollars, and if they
50:07
want to come in and have that treatment done, we'll do one four thousand
50:10
dollars. If they want three treatments in a row, will do that for
50:15
three thousand dollars instead of the thirty six hundred. So basically, so if
50:20
they do three treatments, they're going to have six hundred dollars discount. Yes,
50:23
right, so it'll be three thousand dollars or a twenty percent discounts.
50:29
That's fabulous. Okay. And then if they come to Houston, can they
50:32
do it in a day or do they have to stay overnight? No,
50:36
they can do it in one day, Okay. They come in in the
50:37
morning, they do the treatment, they get it on an airplane and go
50:39
home that day if they want so. They don't have to deal with accommodations.
50:43
Okay, perfect, Okay, nobody will probably know that they had anything
50:47
done, right exactly. Okay, Well, we're all out of time,
50:52
Patty, but would you once more say you're your contact information so people who
50:58
are listening and viewing can and get in touch with you personally, and you
51:01
can treat them with kid gloves because they're all mostly people who have never done
51:07
this before. They need a lot of hand holding. All right, doctor
51:12
prp Usa. Okay. The clinic is Cellulum. We're at thirty seven twenty
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seven Greenbrier, Okay, Texas Okay, seven seven four seven seven. Our
51:24
phone number, mine direct number is A three two four three four zero eight
51:30
three two and I'll take get care of you. Will you say that one
51:31
more time? Patty? Your phone number eight three two eight three two three
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four four three four eight three two zero eight three two. Okay, we
51:42
got it, Okay, Patty. Well, I hope George feels better.
51:45
I'm so sorry he couldn't join us today, but I am so thankful that
51:51
you were available and we could get this air today because it's really an important
51:55
part of our podcast. So thank you very much or joining us, and
52:00
we wish you the very best. Thank you so much for having us.
52:05
It's been a blast. And by the way, Patty, when people call,
52:07
they'll just use the code ageless or they'll just say my name Michelle Hughes,
52:13
and that way you'll know that they're coming through us and that people heard
52:17
you today and saw you today. Okay, all right, Yeah, you
52:22
have a great day. You're looking great, Patty much Okay, bye bye.
52:29
Well, I'm so happy that we had this opportunity to air Patty's discussion
52:36
and explanation of a modality that many of us have questions about. I know
52:42
I have, and I've heard people who have done this treatment before. I
52:46
never have, but I think it's something that might be interesting to try,
52:52
and so if you have any questions or comments, please put them on my
52:57
website or contact Patty Eckley. Of course, there's a lot of information that
53:01
she provided today, but there's probably many more questions that you would probably want
53:07
to ask. I know, I know I have a few that I'm going
53:09
to be calling her about. So thank you again for joining us today.
53:14
This is Michelle Hughes at Ageless and Timeless. You have a beautiful day, just