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Chase Massner found: What's up with Brad? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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  Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Chase Master isn't a rock War veteran,
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  Speaker 1: a husband, a father. His wife told us she dropped
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  Speaker 1: them off at a quick trip in Cobtown. His family
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  Speaker 1: says he was last seen at a friend's house in
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  Speaker 1: Kennesaw three years ago, and it's like he vanished from
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  Speaker 1: that home, not to be seen or heard from again.
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  Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, a few clues have been found,
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  Speaker 1: we have absolutely no answers at all, not even the
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  Speaker 1: slightest clue. In three years, we start trying to determine
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  Speaker 1: if remains found in the backyard of those of an
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  Speaker 1: army veteran who has been missing out for three years.
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  Speaker 1: This is the home where three years ago, twenty six
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  Speaker 1: year old Chase Master was last seen. Everyone looked and looked, looked.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing made any sense. This guy handsome, young, beautiful wife,
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  Speaker 1: too gorgeous, little girls, just babies. A war hero comes
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  Speaker 1: home from Iraq only to go missing on American soil.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. We have spent months, some people years
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  Speaker 1: trying to find Chase Master, and in the last hours.
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  Speaker 1: We do just that Chase's body has been discovered, and
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  Speaker 1: this is no accident, there is no doubt about it,
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  Speaker 1: buried wrapped in a tarp under a patio covered with
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  Speaker 1: a slab of cement. But why, why, Why is his
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  Speaker 1: wife widowed and his two little girls now left to
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  Speaker 1: grow up without a father. We are now searching for
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  Speaker 1: answers and we want justice. Joining me is an all
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  Speaker 1: star crew, Ross Warrens, Kim Harris, Michael Swagger, Lee Egan,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson, Alan Duke, all in a search for justice.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to you. Daniel Wilkerson, Channel forty six on
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  Speaker 1: the story from the beginning. What did we find out overnight? Well,
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  Speaker 1: apparently it was gonna take three days for the Department
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  Speaker 1: of Defense to get Chase's general records here to the
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  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office. And so the Medical Examiner's office called
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  Speaker 1: Chase his wife, Amanda, and I guess Amanda in turn
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  Speaker 1: called uh Chase's mother, Stephanie Cordina, and Stephanie, I was
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  Speaker 1: here yesterday when Stephanie the mother brought to the Medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner's office uh teeth, his baby teeth, Chase his baby
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  Speaker 1: teeth hair from when he was a little boy, along
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  Speaker 1: with dental records from when he was eleven years old.
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  Speaker 1: And I walked her up to the door. She went inside.
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  Speaker 1: She was in there for about ten minutes when she
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  Speaker 1: came out. She came back out with the baby teeth
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  Speaker 1: and the hair. She said that the medical examiner said
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  Speaker 1: that they thought they could make an i D with
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  Speaker 1: his medical records, with his general records from when he
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  Speaker 1: was eleven years old, but they told her to hold
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  Speaker 1: on to the other items. And as you know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this mother, Stephanie Codina, has kept everything from when he
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  Speaker 1: was a little a boy. This is her only child,
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  Speaker 1: and he just kept everything. Yeah, Daniel, I was just
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  Speaker 1: talking with you and Jackie here in the studio about
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  Speaker 1: the day that we went to go meet with his mother, Stephanie.
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  Speaker 1: And when I got there in the home, all laid
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  Speaker 1: out on the dining room table or all the photo
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  Speaker 1: albums of him as a little boy and growing up.
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  Speaker 1: And she held onto those photo albums as if they
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  Speaker 1: were Chase. And what what a mixed up, crazy, horrible,
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  Speaker 1: horrible time. I mean, Chase had come home from Iraq
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  Speaker 1: and tried to assimilate into civilian life. It did not
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  Speaker 1: go well, he couldn't find a job, couldn't find a job,
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  Speaker 1: couldn't find a job in he got a job at
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  Speaker 1: the QT, the Quick Trip, and there was a little
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  Speaker 1: subculture there, like you know everywhere you work. When I
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  Speaker 1: was at uh HLN, it was a subculture. When I
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  Speaker 1: was at the sandwich shop for Pete's sake in law school,
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  Speaker 1: there was, you know, the group of people that worked there,
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  Speaker 1: and they all got to be friends, and that is
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  Speaker 1: where we got a lot of information. But he and
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  Speaker 1: Amanda fighting a lot, arguing about money, a lot with
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  Speaker 1: a brand new baby, another baby they had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: moved out on their own. I remember her, his mom,
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  Speaker 1: holding onto that photo album and Daniel, do you remember
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  Speaker 1: her going over and over and over every detail that
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  Speaker 1: he had come home to spend the night because he
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  Speaker 1: and Amanda were arguing, that she called him, He went
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  Speaker 1: and got in the car. They started arguing immediately in
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  Speaker 1: the car, and I don't believe she ever saw him again.
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  Speaker 1: That was it. He suddenly no more texts, nothing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wh something's wrong. I don't care what police say.
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  Speaker 1: When your son or your spouse, your daughter text you
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  Speaker 1: every day and then multiple times and then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden bam, and that's it. You can't find them
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  Speaker 1: or their cell phone. You know, Daniel, it something's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And we even heard the voice mails that she had
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  Speaker 1: left for Chase. UM, I guess that would be the
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven. She thought maybe Chase was just sleeping. And
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  Speaker 1: you can hear the first voicemail. Um, she is just
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  Speaker 1: a touch concern. But boy, I tell you when you
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  Speaker 1: get to the second or third voicemail, she's in pain.
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  Speaker 1: She is very very concerned. Let's go straight to Ross Warrens. Ross,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. I want
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  Speaker 1: to hear your take on what's happening right now as
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  Speaker 1: we wait for an official cause of death. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: not something easy to deal with, um. Right now, the
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  Speaker 1: hardest thing is being there for the family Amanda, her
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  Speaker 1: kids and Stephanie and her family. Um, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of rumors going around, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you know, pointing the fingers, and that's that's not helping anybody.
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  Speaker 1: That's something that just it just needs to stop. You go.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta let people grieve in their own way. And
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  Speaker 1: did you take it one step at a time? Tell
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  Speaker 1: me your thoughts as you hear all of this unfolding.
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell us about Chase Master and the
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  Speaker 1: way his body has been found. I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: how to explain um when I found out. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've all a lot of us, all had suspicions. We
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  Speaker 1: can say it was there since day one, but now
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  Speaker 1: that it was actually there, it's just it's just it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: It's nothing anybody ever wanted to hear. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: different when something is assumption. It's amazing how this was
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  Speaker 1: right under the noses no offense, because you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was part of the system, right under the noses of
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  Speaker 1: the cops. I don't get it if it had not
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  Speaker 1: been for who do you think Alan Team Chase number one,
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  Speaker 1: who has been working on this since he goes missing
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  Speaker 1: his mom? Of course, uh US Crime Online have been
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  Speaker 1: on it. Daniel of course has been on it. Daniel Wilkerson.
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  Speaker 1: Who else would you say has been pushing this the most?
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  Speaker 1: There's no there's no question. The Cobb County Cold Case Unit,
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  Speaker 1: which is a group of retired detectives, is the most
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  Speaker 1: incredible group of cold case detectives I've ever met or
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  Speaker 1: talked to. Vick Reynolds, the d A and Cobb County
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  Speaker 1: formed them and they took over the case not long
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  Speaker 1: after you interviewed Brad, that famous interview that you did
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  Speaker 1: with Brad. They got that, they heard it, they heard things,
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  Speaker 1: They took the case, and within weeks they were hot
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  Speaker 1: on the trail, and of course the resolution came. But
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  Speaker 1: of course it's Team Chase, which is a pretty incredible
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  Speaker 1: example of the citizen detectives and friends along with a
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  Speaker 1: cold case unit. Well, the thing about Team Chase, and
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  Speaker 1: when I say Team Chase, everybody, First of all, I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank you who's who are listening, because your tips,
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts, your observations, your comments, you called in and
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  Speaker 1: wrote in. It kind of spurred everybody on. It kept
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  Speaker 1: everybody going. And it's a shame really that it takes
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  Speaker 1: us and Team Chase and Michael Swagger and citizens to
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  Speaker 1: bring the attention to the cops. But before I come
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  Speaker 1: down on the cops, I remember, everybody, before you jump
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  Speaker 1: in on the bandwagon on the cops, I remember, I
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  Speaker 1: would be in court one week, two weeks, three weeks,
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  Speaker 1: so busy I couldn't even go into my office. So
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  Speaker 1: finally I would go over to my office on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the courthouse. After the end of the
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  Speaker 1: trial I get a verdict, I dragged my trial files
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  Speaker 1: back in on a cart pulling behind me, and there
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  Speaker 1: would be maybe a hundred fifty two hundred brand new
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  Speaker 1: files sitting on my desk. I remember walking in and
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  Speaker 1: this huge stack had fallen over, and they were all
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  Speaker 1: over the desk and all over the floor and in
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  Speaker 1: it was just kept putting them on top of them.
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  Speaker 1: So before we come down on police about why didn't
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  Speaker 1: they find this, which is what I'm about to do,
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  Speaker 1: just remember they're getting how many new files a day.
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  Speaker 1: I was just one prosecutor and my off my everything
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  Speaker 1: was covered with new files when I had been gone
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  Speaker 1: for two weeks on trial. So I can only imagine
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  Speaker 1: what they're getting now that I've said that, Daniel, come on,
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  Speaker 1: don't we're so worried about burning up your sources to
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  Speaker 1: just tell the truth. It was in the freaking backyard,
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, the back yard, true, under a cyber
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  Speaker 1: cement and a patio. But I'm I saying it, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I said it. It was in the back yard. What
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  Speaker 1: do I have to hit him on the top of
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  Speaker 1: the head with a brick, I tell you, And in
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  Speaker 1: the past, I've had a pretty good relationship with cow
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  Speaker 1: County Police Department. Here I will say, on this case, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten little to no information and it's strictly on
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  Speaker 1: this case. Why that is, I do not know, I
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  Speaker 1: will say, may because they didn't know anything to till
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  Speaker 1: I will say, Um, Detective Chris Twigs, he was the
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  Speaker 1: main investigator, but he got this case, as I understand it. Later,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that he is a very good investigator. But
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  Speaker 1: I think there were some crucial hours, of crucial days,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even weeks that were lost. Uh in the very beginning, Um,
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  Speaker 1: when the police department told us that, hey, a grown
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  Speaker 1: person can just walk off, and I think the walking
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  Speaker 1: off again, the walking off, Yes it can happen, Yes
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  Speaker 1: it does happen. But you know, Daniel, I'm glad you're
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else and not here in the studio and you
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  Speaker 1: hit me on the head with the brick, because how
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  Speaker 1: many times do I have to say it to you
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  Speaker 1: guys when you don't know a horse, look at his
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  Speaker 1: track record. Come on, this guy texted his mom and
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  Speaker 1: he's by no means a mommy's boy. I'm not saying that,
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  Speaker 1: but his mom really really loved him, and he really
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  Speaker 1: loved his mom. She had been there for him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: during the hard times with his wife. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying the wife wasn't there for him, but they were
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  Speaker 1: having issues that were arguing all the time. The mom
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  Speaker 1: was there. He would stay there at night when he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get along with Amanda and he was having such
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  Speaker 1: a hard time, you know, getting back in the groove
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  Speaker 1: of civilian life. She was there. He texted her many
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  Speaker 1: times a day. So if that's his track record, why
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  Speaker 1: would he suddenly change everything? Now? If it was one
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  Speaker 1: of these guys, uh to you, Kim Harris that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I used to say to my my husband, have you
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  Speaker 1: talked to your mom today? Have you talked to you?
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  Speaker 1: There's no I'll call him on Sunday. I'm like, it's Monday.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna wait seven days. He goes, yeah, I'm called
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. It's fine. They're fine. And that's just the
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  Speaker 1: way he thinks. He loves them dearly. But that's just him.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy, Kim, he said his mom every day, right,
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  Speaker 1: He stayed in constant contact with her. It was completely
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  Speaker 1: out of the norm, and I think where Daniel was saying.
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  Speaker 1: As the voice Nolls continued on, you could hear the
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  Speaker 1: worry in her voice because she knew this wasn't Chase.
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  Speaker 1: He wouldn't just ignore her calls and not respond back.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chase his mom. Stephanie's phone calls
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  Speaker 1: were talking about sorry, I wasn't able to come to
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  Speaker 1: the phone, your mom and this message the release, Let's
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  Speaker 1: give me a call the phone that you're just sleeping
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  Speaker 1: just totally okay, but I need to know that you're
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  Speaker 1: all right. I love you. Let me go out to
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan. Let's talk about Detective Twigs. Okay. There were
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times that I couldn't understand what they
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  Speaker 1: were doing, and I felt like they weren't doing enough.
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  Speaker 1: Probably juggling plates as fast as they could was what
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  Speaker 1: they were doing doing. But it felt like the case
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  Speaker 1: went cold. What about the investigation? What about Detective Twigs?
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  Speaker 1: Lee um Daniels right, he he came in late in
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  Speaker 1: the game. There was already because Chase was treated like
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  Speaker 1: a walk away. As he said, they did not suspect
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  Speaker 1: foul play, and because of that, there were precious hours
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  Speaker 1: and even weeks that went by. You know, evidence that
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  Speaker 1: could have been gathered early on that was just lost forever.
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  Speaker 1: And by that time, that's when twigs came on and
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  Speaker 1: maybe his hands were tied at that point. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what happened. I just know that he had that
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  Speaker 1: case for three years before I went to the cold
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  Speaker 1: case unit, and in three weeks what Cobb Police couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do in three years, the cold case unit got it done. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know when you lay out the timeline, it paints
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  Speaker 1: a whole different story. Um. Another issue I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with you guys is how this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: went down, the mechanics of it. But is think about it,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson, Just let's walk through this. Okay, this is
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  Speaker 1: what we know. We know for sure when I'm not
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  Speaker 1: taking into account anything is so called Buddy Brad Clement
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  Speaker 1: has told me and you to our face after we
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  Speaker 1: bamned on his door and will come up one morning,
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  Speaker 1: all right, forget all that. We know that he picked
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  Speaker 1: up Chase or was with Chase the night before he
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  Speaker 1: was killed. We know that, we know the next morning
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  Speaker 1: a construction crew was at Brad's home working on a roof.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody saw Chase. We know during that day he claims
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  Speaker 1: to run a bunch of errands, including I think to
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  Speaker 1: Low's or home Depot or something like that. M We
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  Speaker 1: know that during that time the construction crew never saw Chase.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody ever saw him leave the house. We know that
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  Speaker 1: he invites inexplicably the construction crew into his house for
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  Speaker 1: a barbecue in the backyard, and then he sets the
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  Speaker 1: backyard on fire. Talk about a distraction. Somewhere between Chase
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  Speaker 1: getting there the evening before and the construction crew getting there,
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  Speaker 1: he had barry Chase's body under the patio and put
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  Speaker 1: a cement slab over it. I wonder if that's what
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  Speaker 1: he got at home Depot or Lows. So let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about that timeline. How did that work? Daniel Wilkerson. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and the other thing is, you know when he set
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  Speaker 1: the yard on fire at his own admission, um I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned yesterday. I talked to the roofer and he says,
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  Speaker 1: that's the same area where they found the body. And
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  Speaker 1: so I mean it's called it's not a coincidence. I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that that that happened right in the same place. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if he did it on purpose, you know
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  Speaker 1: what was the reason. I mean, there are a ton
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  Speaker 1: of questions out there, guys. I want to thank you
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  Speaker 1: all for being with us Team Chase, Ross, Kim, Michael, Lee, Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: Alan Jackie, everybody here working towards seeking justice now for
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  Speaker 1: Chase Masner. Our search for Chase Masner has now turned
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  Speaker 1: into a search for justice Chase Masner. And it pains me,
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  Speaker 1: especially now that I have a little boy. When I
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  Speaker 1: think of him. Last night he was running around with
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  Speaker 1: a hat on sideways, a little baseball hat sideways, and
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  Speaker 1: he is Lucy is now running around guys. She saw
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  Speaker 1: this little girl online named Sonny Keller. I happened to
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  Speaker 1: have done a Hallmark show with her one time, so
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  Speaker 1: I got to address her by showing her the old
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  Speaker 1: clip and she's like to do it yourself or online.
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  Speaker 1: And she saw the little girl playing the uku lele.
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  Speaker 1: Well guess what, Lucy has a uku lele. Yeah, push over.
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  Speaker 1: Mina ran right out and got one, and um, she's
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  Speaker 1: doing that. And John David is doing magic tricks and
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  Speaker 1: it has now wearing all of his clothes inside out
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  Speaker 1: and backwards. Okay, And I had to the side. Even
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  Speaker 1: in the house, he walks around with the baseball hat
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  Speaker 1: on sideways. He will not take it off, and I
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  Speaker 1: just look at them and it does breaks my heart.
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  Speaker 1: I love him so much, and I can't believe they're
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  Speaker 1: turning ten. And I'm sure Chase's mom was like, I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe he's turning fifteen. I can't believe he's turning
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  Speaker 1: twenty one. And now she's saying, I can't believe they
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  Speaker 1: found his body. I can't believe it was under a
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  Speaker 1: cement slab right there all this time. Okay, I have
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  Speaker 1: not even had the heart to call her because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I can bear to hear her voice since
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  Speaker 1: his body was found, you know, like in the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours ish, But now what a out justice.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson has been on this along with Team Chase,
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  Speaker 1: and they are with us right now. Daniel, can we
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  Speaker 1: talk about Brad because you remember you and I talked
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  Speaker 1: to Bratt early early that morning in his flop House
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  Speaker 1: hotel room, and I walked away saying, some's not right.
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  Speaker 1: But he seemed like such a laid back dude, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine him. He seemed almost weak in
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  Speaker 1: a way, which leads me to the way this must
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  Speaker 1: have gone down because he was weak. Chase was a stronger,
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  Speaker 1: physically stronger person than him. But he seemed I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he talked to us. He sat there in parts Cereal.
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  Speaker 1: We talked for hours, and you spoke to him recently
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  Speaker 1: on the phone after the body was found. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: He said that he uh, he feels right now that
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  Speaker 1: he was brained. He doesn't know how the body got there.
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  Speaker 1: What wait, you made me eat ook on my tea.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. You know, I kept trying to say, look, Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: I know he's lying. I can tell you he's lying,
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  Speaker 1: all right. We both agreed on that. But maybe he's
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  Speaker 1: lying about something else. Maybe he's lying because he was
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  Speaker 1: doing drugs that night. Maybe he was lying because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I was coming up with the reasons other
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: than him being a killer as to why he was
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: lying or hiding a body. But what else did he
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: say to you about the body? Well, he said, hey,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: if I were going to hide a body, and I'm paraphrasing,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: if I was going to hide a body, you know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: he said I would burn it. Is what he said. Okay,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: as many times, if I have written murder mysteries and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: threatened my husband to kill him. I've never actually thought
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about the mechanics of exactly how I would do it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It's one thing to make it up in a book
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: where somebody is pushed into an alligator farm pond, or
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: somebody's given alma milk when you know they have a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: nut allergy. But it's a different thing when you're talking
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: about an actual person, you know, and you say, oh,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I would burn the body. He said he would do
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that to give, you know, to get rid of evidence,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is what he said. Listen to this guy's Here is
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Brad Clement talking to Daniel after the discovery of chased
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: his body and his whole backyard under his patio covered
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: with a slab of cement. Listen, but Brad, who would
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: plant a body back there? What would they gain out
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: of it? I don't get it. Why wouldn't accuse me
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and give it anyway? I'm like always be trying to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: step up. Why would I put it behind my house?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Why would I do that going around? I wouldn't have
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a body like that. Stupid somebody kind of me up
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the war the whole thing. What I mean, what what
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: do I have to anyway? I don't do it. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the mechanics of it, Daniel Wilkerson, That's what I want
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to talk to you about, the facts. The facts, the evidence.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many times can I say we have
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to look at the evidence. When did he get cement mix?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Can it be traced? And when would he have done this?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It had to be during the night, you know, construction
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: workers they're sitting out and your driveway about four am, okay,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: waiting and it was they did not want to be
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: up on that roof and the heat, so they were there.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And so when when would he have done this? Well,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: this is the thing, you know, he claimed that, Um,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: he made several trips that day that next day when
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the roofers got there, the day that Chase went missing. Um,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: but I learned from a source, a source close to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: UH the investigation that Brad's phone, according to them, also
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Chase his phone. They never peemed outside the area of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the QT and Brad's house. As you know, Brad's house
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: is about say two miles from the QT. The q T,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of course, is where Chase work, where Brad says he
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: picked him up from the night before, they said, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the Lows is right next to the QT basically, so
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: they got there, and I never and I didn't know that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that information until probably a couple of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, that it never those those cell phones never
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: peemed and the same tower that is there, there's only
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: one tower in that area, and so lows Qt and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Brad's house are on the same tower. Never left the house.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: He never left the house, so Kim Harris, he never
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: left that house. He went there that night. And when
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Dad told Daniel and me that they stayed up all
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: night talking about Amanda, that ain't why they stayed up
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: all night. Okay, he's trying to figure out what to do.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Brad was trying to figure out what to do with
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Chase's body. That's what happened. That's why they were up
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: all night. I agree. And I also was just thinking
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: over everything last night and the phone call that I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: had with Brandon Duck. And to my understanding, he told
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you the same thing that he found it very odd
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: if you're having a cook out, it was a nice day.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: That Brad was so insistent that they eat inside. Why
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: didn't they eat on the deck. It all makes sense
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: now because of bearing a body underneath the deck. Um
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and he set the backyard on fire, possibly to cover
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a smell. And the same reason if not wanting to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: be on the deck, um for fear of anyone knowing anything.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And I hate to say it that way, but that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: is the only thing that makes sense why you would
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: not eat outside and you're having a cookout on a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: night day. And don't forget Nancy. The roofer, Brandon Duck
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: told us that Brad had bought all of this food
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: for the cookout and he didn't eat, and they wonder
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: why is he not eating? He cooked all this food.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And also Brandon Ductr, roofer, told us that Brad was
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: acting very erratically. He was moving around, very nervous acting
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: And so you know who knows well when you piece
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: it together, those trips had to be to lose to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: get cement mix, and I imagine Lows probably opens up
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: around seven or eight o'clock in the morning, um, maybe
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: six six a m. Again, I do have confirmed, you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he had told Brad had told police that he had
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: one of his trips out that day the day Chase
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: went missing while the roofers was were there. One of
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: his trips was to take a computer to a friend.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I do have confirmed that police can never confirm that. Yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you know, we kept asking that where's this friend, where's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: this friend? Let's do a timeline, and nobody can ever
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: figure out where the so called friend was. So to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: make the cement, you have to mix it up, keep
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it mixing, keep it mixing, don't let it dry, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: pour it out. It's not easy. I've seen my dad
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: do it a lot. He would lay everything in our
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: backyard and can you just imagine that scenario to ross
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of him up under that patio, It's like a deck
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: trying to bury a body wrapped in tart which he
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: probably also got it lows, and then mix cement and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: pour it over the top of it. I couldn't even
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't even begin to imagine. It's it's still hard for
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: me to even fathom. Um, you know, he was there
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and being there the whole time, and it's it's hard
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: to even talk about joining me right now from team Chase,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Tammy Childs, Tammy, thank you so much for being with us.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: We're going through the timeline and the way this must
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: have unfolded. Because when that construction crew got there and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Brad knew they were coming, Brad Clement knew they were
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: coming early in the morning. He had to. He kept
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: leaving the house for so called errands. I believe he
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: was going to get everything he needed to hide that body,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: so he had to get cement, mix it and put
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a slab over the body. And I really believe Chase
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: died during the night, maybe not even long after he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: got there. What do you make of it, Tammy Childs?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, Nancy, I agree. I believe
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: when he said he went to both he got the material,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: so concrete and whatever else he needed to do this with.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I believe Chase died that night. Tell me how Stephanie is.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: She's devastated. She's devastated. I mean, we knew in our
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: hearts that the day would come, but now it's real.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: You know. Michael Swagger with us who put up a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: big chunk of the reward to help find Chase mass
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: are also a private investigator. Michael, how do you think,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking about based on the evidence we have,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the timeline, we have Brad's and Chase's movements that night,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: how do you think the scenario unfolded? Michael? I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: based upon the the information that we've received that suggests
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that the phones never never left that area. Is that
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: night that there there wasn't much movement, um, nor order
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Chase leave the house the next day as has been claimed.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I think the evidence suggests that he never did. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I mean that's very clearly been affirmed by the discovery
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the day before yesterday, which has to be technically confirmed exactly.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You know. That brings me to another issue, Daniel, Daniel,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: They said, and me imediately to you, as you're standing
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: at the house and the medical examiner is there and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they are physically digging up Chase's body, they said, almost immediately,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it's Chase. Now it's been a couple of years now.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: There had to be something there was that his cell phone?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Was it his T shirt? Was that his quick chip
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I d I mean there was something about that body.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: They knew immediately that it was Chase. They haven't officially
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: put it out that this is Chase and this is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the cause of death, but they knew immediately. Do you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: think it was the cell phone? What was it? What
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: did they find in that shallow grave? Well, this is
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the thing, as you said, I when I got there, Uh,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: police were in the back. They had no idea that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I was coming. Um, I was the only reporter there
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and when the one of the detectives came around, UM,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I started asking questions, UM, and I got kind of
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: detail I wanted to know, you know, was he covered,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you know, what was the state of the body? And Um,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: from his face he didn't tell me. But from his
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: facial expression, I could tell that there were things there,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: whether they be items or whatever, that only the person
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: who put them there would know about. And so I've
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: heard from a source that the police department they're going
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to keep uh that very tight lip. They're not going
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to discuss what was found with the body, because they
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: say only the person who put them there. Even remains
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: discovered in the backyard of a resident where Brad Clement,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: where a young, bright eyed guy turned a rocky war
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Vett was last sing. For three years, we have been
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: looking for Chase, looking for Chase. Master finding Chase now
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a whole new chapter this story is opening. In the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: last seventy two hours. Chase's body has been found in
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a shallow grave, wrapped in a tarp under a makeshift
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: cement slab. We are on it. Join us in seeking
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: justice for Chase Masner. All Right, Daniel Wilkerson channel forty six.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Brad Clement. Let
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: me jog your memory. Daniel told you and me you
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: were sitting right beside him. I was sitting Indian style
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on his bed, staring him. I wouldn't even blink because
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I wanted to watch every expression on his face. We
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: walked out of that room, I looked at you in
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the Libby went, you know he's lying right away. Yeah
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: he's lying. But we didn't know why. That's the thing.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: We didn't know why. Listen, listen, Daniel, take me through
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: what happened that when he goes miss. I mean, it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: really not that much like it's like everybody says, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: like change my story and all this stuff, and it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like that was like what I did that day, you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't really anything to do with Chase.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I ran abount of errands
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: what I was doing, you know, most time when I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: was fixing up my house, like he was there that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: night and then you know, basically left sometime between when
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I was coming back from the store to when I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: started cooking. Like I mean, he had to act like
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that that's the only logical thing. So, Daniel,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: now that I have jogged your memory thoughts, well, yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I was speaking with a person close to the investigation
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: yesterday and they told me that if the medical examiner
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: can't come up with the cause of death, it may
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: make it hard to get a murder conviction. I don't
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: know what that means. You probably would know better than me, Nancy, Well, yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: what what could be argued at trial? And I certainly
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to give him any ideas. Is it Chase
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: died from a natural cause? But I find it hard
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to believe that a medical examiner would not be able
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to determine natural cause of death. Um, if there is,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of course a gunshot wound, you'll find that, especially if
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you find a bullet. If there's a blow to the head,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you'll find that in the skull. If it's soft tissue
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: like a strangulation or asphyxiation, much much more difficult to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: determine after three years. But you and I know that
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Brad can certainly let me just say, spin a yarn,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: all right, So it is going to be hard. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, even based on what he said, married with
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: married to the facts that we know, we've already figured
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: out the approximate time of death. It was during the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: night before the construction crew got there. And if you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: look at what he's saying, you can see straight through
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the subterfuge, like I had to go to deliver a
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: computer to X well, X doesn't exist, So that means
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he went to Lows. Does Lows have videotape? Do they
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: still have surveillance video from three years ago? If so,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: can we recreate what he bought at Lows? He got
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it at Lows? Okay, he got cement mixed there, That's
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm betting. I'm betting right now, we don't know anything.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: He has not been formally charged and certainly not convicted,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and under our rules of evidence, he has presumed innocent
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: until proven guilty. So in the eyes of the law,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he is an innocent person. Don't get me wrong. Okay,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the facts. So what another thing
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that um, Stephanie Chase's mother was concerned about, and she
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: we spoke on this yesterday. There was a month in
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: between the time when the cold case unit out there
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: with the dog, um when when when the dogs you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: hit on human remains, and the time when they actually
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: made the dig Now, keep in mind at that point
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: when the dogs hit the cold case unit, the District
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Attorney's cold case unit had the case. Soon after that,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: for some reason, they had to turn it back over
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to the Cobb County Police Department, And there was a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: month span of a month before the police made that dig. Now,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I was told by the police department that they had
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to check uh for pipes, underground pipes. But Chase's mother,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: her concern is, you know, did it take a month
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: for them to check for underground pipes? You know, to
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Tammy Child, you were with Daniel Wilkerson and myself in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that room when we finally united Brad Clement, who we
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: believe was with Chase at the time he died and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: we believe buried his body in the backyard under cubment slab,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and Ephanie Chase, his mom, She had wanted to meet Brad,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to look at him face to face and ask him questions.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: When I think back on that meeting, Tammy childs it
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: just gives me, it just makes my stomach sick, because
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: she was looking for answers about her son and they
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: actually hugged, as I recall, yes, they did, they absolutely did,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and he Brad just lied to her. Brad lied to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: her right to her face. He did. What are her thoughts,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: now you've been in close contact with her, what are
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: her thoughts regarding Brad Brad Clement. She's she even stopped.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: She thinking shocked. She cannot believe how he could have
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: done this, how he could have lied right through her.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So now what happens? Daniel Wilkerson, you mentioned it's gonna
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: be hard to come up with an m O and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: prove murder. I completely disagree, okay, And I'll tell you why.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: If somebody falls down the steps, what do you do?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You call nine one one? Somebody has a car crush?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: What do you do nine one one? When I see
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: somebody on the side of the road, I call nine
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: one one, you know, to help them? Um, you try
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to do CPR. You don't run to the backyard and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: putting the body in a shallow grave, wrapped in a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: tarp under a slab of homemade cement. Why would you
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: do that? Okay? So clearly a jury could infer from
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that some wrongdoing. I mean, am I what am I? Alice?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: In Wonderland? Am I the only one that's standing straight
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: up and not upside down. Come on, Daniel, please, I mean,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: don't laugh at me. I'm serious. What do you mean
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: no foul play? Please? If this had been a normal
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: or a natural cause of death, Chase would not have
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: been in the backyard under a slab of cement. What
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: is it about Brad Clement that everybody wants to make
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: an excuse for him? I mean I did it too,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: because when we left that long interview that we basically
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: ambushed him, I'm like, you know what, he's totally lying,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: But what is he lying about? See? Instead of going
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he's lying, he must be guilty. I didn't say that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: there's something about him? What is it? I'll say this, Nancy.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Leading up to the interview and all through this process,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time with Brad Clement, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I will just say personally, Uh, he's a likable person.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I mean the Brad Clement that I know to the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: extent that I know him. You know, I can't see
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: doing anything like this. Um. You know, then there is
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the evidence you know that we've seen as of late,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: but you've met him. I mean, he is a likable person.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: He's very calm um. He had a bowl of cereal
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: while we were interviewing him that day in the hotel.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: The first time I interviewed him at his mother's house. Um,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: he was putting in a radiator for his mother. He
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: never stopped installing that radiator. I sat on his mother's porch.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: He never stopped in stalling that radiator while he went
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: over the chain of events. Never his his neighbors. Uh,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: they have all told us in the last couple of
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: days he was a like order or is a likable person.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Um was a great neighbor. So just with my personal
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: experience and being around him, I mean, he doesn't act
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like he would heard a fly. It is a dichotomy, Um,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: when you know Brad Clement or when you're around him.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us really know him, But
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: when you're around him, Daniel's right. He does not give
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: off the vibe here. This is the guy that would
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: sit in a pit group in his den and watch
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: sports or a TV marathon for like twenty four hours straight,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: eating chips, and you know, knows all about how to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: break down and put back together Pewter install radiator. He's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: no idiot. He's just a kind of an unassuming, laid
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: back dude and it's hard to two reconcile that with
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: someone in the middle of the night burying a body
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: in the backyard. But Daniel, you know what, for ten
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: straight years I would look at people in court and think,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: how could they have done that? Why? Why would they
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  Speaker 1: do that? And it never made sense to me. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to make sense. All it has to be
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  Speaker 1: is the truth. I don't have to know why. I
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  Speaker 1: just have to know the truth. Daniel. You know another
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  Speaker 1: thing that I've been thinking about it is this, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna look into this here in the next
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  Speaker 1: couple of days. Is um. You know when I think
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  Speaker 1: I told you yesterday that when I spoke with Brad
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  Speaker 1: right after the dog's hid, um, his concern was, he said, Man,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe doll and taking these new homeowners through that.
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  Speaker 1: All along. You know, I've had a somewhat of a a relationship,
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  Speaker 1: been in contact with the new owners of the home,
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  Speaker 1: Brad's old home, and Um, can you imagine if there
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  Speaker 1: was a body found in the backyard of a home
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  Speaker 1: you've owned now for what a year or two? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: every time you say if you get ready to sell it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, every time someone puts that address in UM.
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  Speaker 1: This story is going to come up. And the way
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  Speaker 1: I understand it, Brad sold that home to flippers, people
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  Speaker 1: who remodeled the house, and the flippers sold the house
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  Speaker 1: to to this couple, and shortly after that they learned
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: from neighbors um the allegations. Take a listen to what
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Chase's mother has to say. The first several weeks, they
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  Speaker 1: were not actively investigating because, in their words, it's not
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a crime to be missing. If he wanted to walk away,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's not a crying Okay, let's talk about that. Had
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  Speaker 1: he ever in his life gone this long without texting you,
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  Speaker 1: were calling you ever? Never? And you know what I say,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: if you don't know a horse, look at his track record.
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  Speaker 1: So what somebody has done in the past, they're likely
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  Speaker 1: to do again. If he had gone his whole lot
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  Speaker 1: texting you and calling you every what day, other day,
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  Speaker 1: what all the time, then why would he quit that day?
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  Speaker 1: It's like to h G double l with my mother.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't believe that. I don't either. I just
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know the truth. I want to
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  Speaker 1: know what happened to Chase. Do you believe Chase is
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  Speaker 1: still alive? I do not now are you saying that
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  Speaker 1: with your heart and your head? Or yes, I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe he's a life. Can you think of a reason
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  Speaker 1: that anyone would have wanted him? Dad? Not a single reason.
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  Speaker 1: I've lived the last three years not knowing, and every
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  Speaker 1: single day it's just hell. To everyone joining us today,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson, Channel Team Chase, Kim Harris, Michael Swagger, Ross
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  Speaker 1: warrens Lee, Egan, Alan Do, Tammy Chiles and everyone joining
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  Speaker 1: us in finding Chase Masner and now our search for
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  Speaker 1: justice for Chase. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,