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Episode 258: The marriage between movies and video games! · WASD and Beyond

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  Let's get right into it. Know how's it been going dude,
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  since I talked to you on Wednesday?
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  It's going pretty good, yes. Yeah, just normal week, playing
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  a bit of Crimson Desert, playing a bit of Kerbal Space Program.
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  Very good. Just hanging out and hanging out
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  with the boys. Doing some podcasting on the
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  weekend. Here to bank some episodes.
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  Love it. What could be better?
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  What could be a better day outside?
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  For now, I was taking off the hangover.
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  Yeah, that's. Great I I mowed the lawn, took a
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  bath really quick, took some pills and now here I am drinking
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  I. Wouldn't think.
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  Pina colada from Liquor Death and it tastes really nice.
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  Is that a alcoholic or non alcoholic?
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  Not I'm not drinking today. That's well, I say that, but I I
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  know I'll get drunk later. This is not alcoholic.
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  No sugar, 10 calories. Monk fruit.
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  I don't know. I don't know if Liquid Death
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  sponsor US place uses monk fruit.
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  It's just sparkling water. It's just good, Tastes good
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  liquid. Deaths everywhere man Liquid
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  death is at the city match. Liquid death was at Toxie
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  Premier. They're everywhere.
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  Yeah, dude, we we were getting free liquid deaths.
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  That's right. That's very good.
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  Butter in a can. Yeah, dude, I I want to get into
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  more Crimson Desert. I like what it's doing, but it
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  just feels like there's and this isn't the main topic.
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  I just want to talk a little bit about this though.
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  It just feels like there's so much and I don't vibe with the
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  story as much as I thought I may.
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  So far. I like a lot of like the almost
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  like medieval sci-fi elements that there are in this game.
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  Yeah, it's it's strange and it's unclear, but you're right.
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  I mean the story, the devs even said as much.
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  They were like, the story is not where the main game is.
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  The story, like the main game will happen for the player in
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  between the story and like just yeah, doing the gameplay aspects
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  of the missions, the story like I'm kind of coming around to it
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  like it, it's not really compelling, but the like you met
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  the medieval fantasy sci-fi aspects are enough to carry and
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  the world is just so deep and so fun to explore and just keeps on
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  giving. After I've got let me check
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  right now. I can tell you I've got I have
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  this many number of hours, 120 hours in the game and I am still
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  discovering new things. The players across all platforms
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  are still discovering new things.
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  Somebody recently found a hidden vault that had a bunch of gold
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  bars in it. They weren't real gold bars.
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  So it wasn't that much to get excited about and they posted it
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  as if they were because it's click bait.
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  Stop it. If you're doing that 'cause you
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  know what you're doing is wrong. And that's not true.
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  And they didn't even post a location.
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  That's how it's what we know that, but they're they're
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  constantly the devs are still updating.
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  The devs are still being very vocal about what they're doing.
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  I'm still having a blast. I'm I'm about like 65% of the
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  way through the main story, but there is so much beyond the
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  story, so many side quests, so many adventures to go on.
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  I'm loving it. This is definitely is 100% like
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  the other games coming out this year are going to have to try
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  pretty hard to dethrone this as being like my game of the year
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  for sure. Oh shit.
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  All right. I don't I don't know if any
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  other game coming out this year has a chance.
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  Like even if Forza 6 is incredible and the best Forza
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  game, I still don't think it it'll be more fun than Crimson
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  Desert is now. That's crazy.
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  I need to play more I, I. I get it though, it's a lot.
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  Well I went right from replaced to mouse Pi and now I'm in
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  Pragmata and I'm also lightly touching on Crimson.
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  But I'm wondering, you know, with my new Steam controller, if
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  I'm going to be able to like it with some, maybe some touchpad
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  motion in the game with the bow and arrow.
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  And there is a lot I'm I'm excited to try.
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  That's a game I didn't even think about trying with my new
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  controller until. Have you played anything with it
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  yet? Pragmata do.
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  You have some first impressions. I did that on the last episode.
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  I'll do it again. OK.
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  All right. No, no, it's OK this.
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  It was like mere hours ago. Yes, yes, we're in the future.
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  This is great. This is we like you wouldn't
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  think with how like chunk it looks your hands though.
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  And like I said in the last episode, they land right where
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  they need to land. That's great.
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  Like your fingers land right where you think they should.
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  The controller feels great. It looks great.
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  I, I, I love it. This potentially will replace my
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  Xbox controller and it's cool because like I said, the puck
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  when I'm done with it, I throw it on top of the charger.
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  It charges it when I'm when I want to play.
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  I pull it off the charger. I play it.
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  It's it's, it's wonderful. It's great.
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  How awesome. Controller.
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  We both have Steam decks, so the thing that I was wondering the
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  whole time is if you compare the feel of holding the controller
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  to the feel of holding a steam deck, how similar is that
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  feeling? 100%.
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  It's the same. Same material, same feel.
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  If you like the Steam Deck, you will like this controller.
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  This is a Steam Deck. It condensed down to a
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  controller without the. Script that's good that's good I
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  mean I just I can't personally justify it because I never ever
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  use the touch pads yeah the only time I ever use the touch pad is
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  in desktop mode and if I'm on my PC I'm within arms reach of my
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  mouse and keyboard so why would I necessarily.
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  Totally. Totally get it.
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  May you know my dream set up for entertainment center is a small
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  PC. So maybe maybe that Steam Deck
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  controller or Steam controller is going to fit that use case.
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  But you know, until then, I'm glad they're making.
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  I'm glad Valve is working to stop scalpers.
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  They continue to be very pro consumer.
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  Did you see what they did? Yeah, they, they restricted
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  people from buying it. If you have like any active
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  bands on your account, that's and.
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  If you purchase this the first round, you couldn't purchase
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  this one. I was like good.
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  I was like good. I don't why do it was a limit of
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  two. So you you had your option to
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  get 2 that day, you got 1. That you're.
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  I feel like that's valid. It's fair, It's fair because
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  when once once more come in, we can all we can all get more if
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  we want. Yeah, there will always be more
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  later. They see the demand for it.
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  What they're doing is really good, I think, and other
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  companies should take note. And I think this is, I think
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  what we're seeing here is a shift in company policy to
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  combat scalping, which yes, I think ultimately is going to
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  work and scalping needs to go away.
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  And yes, you can't legislate against it.
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  So the companies have to try to. They have to do.
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  Their own thing. Scalping as much as possible.
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  So I I I really like to see it it.
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  It is a bit of hope that some companies do actually care about
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  the. Consumer, and I know I'm a Valve
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  shill, but I love them. I like.
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  What they look we got to call out.
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  We got to call out good things like Valve is on the whole, a
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  good company. They do have many problems,
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  including supporting what I believe to be the largest
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  gambling economy on the Internet, perhaps.
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  Knives. Yeah, which is predatory and has
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  many, many problems, yes, But you know, you can't, we can't,
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  you know, you can't ignore the good things just because there
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  are also bad things, that there's just so much nuance to
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  this kind of stuff. But yes anyway.
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  Anyways, on to our main topic. Let's do it, buddy.
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  Yes. It's your topic, why don't you
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  give us a lead here? OK, so we've had this idea in
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  the can for a while. I don't think it would be a
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  stretch to say that movies based on video games are peaking.
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  Currently, you have the success of the Super Mario Brothers
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  movies, the Fallout series, The Last of Us series, Even the
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  Uncharted movie I think is pretty good with Tom Holland.
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  I never played Uncharted. So you can, you know, add us in
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  the e-mail or whatever. However, the thing that I'm
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  noticing, the thing that I remember a lot of my childhood
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  gaming was playing video games that were based on movies.
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  And there's a a wide range of video game based on movies.
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  I don't want to say video game adaptations because that
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  typically means the movie based on the game, but it used to be
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  very often you would, a movie would come out and there would
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  be at least one, sometimes up to like 3 games would come out
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  sharing the title of the movie and they'd be could be used as
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  cross promotion and advertisement.
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  But more often than not, the game would be a a game similar
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  but not quite the same as a movie as the movie that it came
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  out with. So like I said, in my
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  experience, most of these games I play, these are the first
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  games I was playing was on a Game Boy Advance and a lot of
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  them, a lot of them came from THQ and Disney Interactive.
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  Yeah. Disney Interactive is kind of
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  spinning up now. They've had a few games in the
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  past in the in the recent past, but they used to crank out these
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  platformers based on their IPS. The one of my favorite games of
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  all time is a Brother Bear platformer that was on Gameboy
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  Advanced. It is nearly a perfect
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  platformer. It doesn't necessarily have to
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  do that much with the plot of the movie, despite the fact that
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  there are super compressed video clips from the movie with stock
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  audio, because they couldn't put the audio on the cartridge
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  because it was too much. They were a little bit limited.
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  You'd get like a Lilo and Stitch game where Stitch drives around
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  in a car like doing Mario Kart stuff.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there was a Kim Possible
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  game that featured a Rufus mini game where it was the IT was 3D.
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  Oh my God. Yeah, it was incredible.
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  And he would like you would crawl around in the pipes.
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  They had these ideas, but historically there's precedent
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  for this too. One of the most legendary games
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  from the N64 era. Goldeneye.
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  Based on the movie, but has almost nothing to do with the
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  movie. Nope.
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  And then, you know, from there, I mean, did you, did you ever
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  play any games like that that were sort of direct ties to a
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  movie? Yeah, Chronicles of Riddick,
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  Escape from Butcher Bay was one of my favorite games growing up.
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  I loved that game a lot. Mad Max.
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  Mad Max, you. Mean Mad Max the 1 from 2015.
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  Yes. Yeah, I think that was in Yeah,
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  that one. So it's it's, it's a bit
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  complicated. Like when I was looking into
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  this, it's like you have movies come out with a game sharing the
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  title you have. So you're talking about more so
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  along the lines of like Catwoman?
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm. Talking about that, but also we
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  we're going to get into like movie IPS, like IPS that start
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  as movies and then move into games and then Spider Man.
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  Two, then, yeah. Yeah, Spider Man 2.
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  See, I also played well, which Spider Man 2?
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  Because I played Spider Man 2 on the Gameboy Advance.
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  PS1 was that PS1 game. There is Spider Man 2 was a
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  PlayStation two game. Yes.
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  Then it was on the PS2. Yeah, Spider Man. 2 It gets a
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  bit complicated. It gets very dicey here.
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  The spider man 2, amazing Game Boy game.
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  Most of the most of my experience with these direct
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  movie tie insurance are older games that were platformers.
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  I remember the Transformers, Transformers 2, that there was a
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  game that came out, I think I played it on the Wii and it was
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  like, it was like a shot for shot remake of the movie.
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  And then you would like run around in an area and collect
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  things or fight a bunch of enemies and then it would move
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  on to the next scene in the movie.
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  And I, I feel like that's sort of a lost art in a way.
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  Now, nowadays it's more like you'll have a game like Mad Max,
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  which is based on the IP, based on the world and even contains
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  characters from the movie, but it's mostly unrelated.
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  It's got aspects of it that are completely different than the
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  current run of movies or the the game that I have loved since it
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  came out, the Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, which is set
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  simultaneously in the same time as the movies and the same world
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  as the movies and intersects its plot with the plot of the
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  movies. So much so that in the DLC we
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  saw the the final battle from the first movie as a cut scene
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  in the DLC, which is really cool.
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  It's it's really cool to see that.
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  I think they sometimes these things, they offer like a new
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  idea to make it to make this world more interactive.
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  Even Dune, Dune Awakening coming out it, they were very clear
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  that this world of Arakis that they build is based on the 2021
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  movie and subsequent sequels. So you get so you get nowadays
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  it's more like IP focus games. Like do you have any any
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  standouts for those? For yeah, OK, so for IP Focus
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  games, then yes, it was definitely Mad Max was like that
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  one where I remember being like, there's no way it's going to be
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  good. And then I saw the trailers
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  like, OK, this could be sweet possibly.
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  And then I played, I was like just sucked into it immediately.
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  Doing awakening was a was a great time for you and I because
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  we, we, we had the opportunity to explore a world in which we
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  loved. We love a Rakus, we love Dune,
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  we love what Frank Herbert's built for us.
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  And now we've gotten to play in that sandbox, literally that
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  sandbox and see Shai Haloud and you know, it's, it was great,
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  man. But like I remember playing
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  X-Men Origins Wolverine. Yep, that game kicks the shit
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  out of the movie and it's so good as an adaptation for yeah,
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  for me, it was definitely like Mad Max like IP related.
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  It would it would have been like Mad Max Dune as of late.
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  It would be Dune. And then like X-Men Origins
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  Wolverine where the game is said.
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  I played and I was like, wow, you can do this.
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  Well, because the problem with like, even just like based on IP
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  or based on the actual movie itself was you, you would run
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  into the games that would just get pumped out.
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  So you had your Charlie's Angels, you had your Fight Club,
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  you had, I liked the Warriors from Rockstar.
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  Like I thought that was good. Like the game based on that
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  movie The Warriors, I thought that was good.
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  But you unfortunately did have, yeah, come out and play.
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  But you did have your, like, Alien Colonial Marines where it
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  was like, this could have been good, but like, this sucked.
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  And it was figured out that it was one line of code in the
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  fucking whole game that was made it bad.
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  Yeah. And that that line of code got
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  modded and fixed. And the game was actually pretty
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  decent. But like, I always found that
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  those games even, like, based on IP, it always felt like rush
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  development, Get it out the door before the thing hits the
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  theaters or right when it hits theaters.
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  That way people will buy it when the thing comes out in the
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  theaters and boom, we made our money.
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  Doesn't matter if it's good or bad.
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  That's how I felt about these things.
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  And it all kicks off with a little game called ET.
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  That's right. Well, it's.
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  Killed the. Industry.
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  Yeah. ET Tremendous flop.
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  It's one of the very earliest video game adaptations of a
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  film. The first one actually comes
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  from Star Trek The Motion Picture.
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  And. You know, when you look back at
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  these things, like sometimes it's literally a point and click
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  adventure based on the movie. Like there's a Dune.
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  There's a Dune game. Speaking of that is literally
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  just a pointing click of the of the David Lynch.
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  Isn't that Dune 2? I think so, yeah.
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  Dune. Well, they did a Dune 2 game
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  that was the sequel to David Lynch's Dune.
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  Yeah, and it's it is very just you remember the movie like here
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  it is, but you have to click every once in a while.
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  Yeah. And then the ET game is like,
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  it's amazing that they even tried anything after it.
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  It was so bad they, you know, they buried them all in the
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  desert. There's a whole, yeah, there's a
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  whole documentary on the ET thing and it boils down to them
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  going, we need a game for the holiday season.
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  Hey, Tom, go make this ET thing. Yep.
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  And it was done in like what, a couple weeks or or something
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  like that? Not long at all.
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  Less than a year for sure. I think it was a couple weeks
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  dude, like the dude cranked the shit out in a few weeks to a
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  week. I I'd have to I I don't remember
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  the documentary specifically, but like it was not good for
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  this person. And but yeah, ET almost killed
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  the industry. Crazy.
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  If you think of like those, like staple movies, your, your
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  Jurassic Park, your Alien, Aliens, Rambo, The Goonies,
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  every one of those has some sort of video game adaptation.
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  They go back all the way to like the the early 80s, you know,
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  that's sort of when this started, when computer games
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  started to become more of a big deal.
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  But there are so many. And some of them, like I said,
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  some of them have multiple versions of a game based on the
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  same movie because they came out on different consoles.
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  So like, yeah, like we just like we mentioned, like Spider Man 2
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  came out of the Gameboy Advanced and the PlayStation 2.
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  And Xbox. They're both yeah and Xbox.
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  They're both based on the same movie, but they're wildly
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  different games. Yeah, Spider Man 2 is one of
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  those great examples of like it done right because like you have
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  the IP, which is Spider Man. OK, Right.
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  Let's adapt that to a game. OK, So what do you, what do
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  players want to do? Well, we want to swing around
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  New York. I want to stop crime and that's
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  I want to be able to pick a car up and throw it.
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  I'm Spider man. So that's what they did and
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  that's why it worked and it was good and the story was fluent
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  and transparent and it was like, cool, this is good.
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  Then you go into your things like the Hulk.
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  That game fucking sucked in my opinion.
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  I played that game, it was fun to just run around and be the
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  Hulk. It's cool until it's not.
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  Until they have to remember that it's based on the movie that was
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  not very good. Yeah, but like, again, I go back
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  to like the games like Chronicle of Riddick and Wolverine and
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  even even since you brought up Jurassic Park, I'll bring up
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  Trespasser. Jurassic Park Trespasser is one
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  of like those first like crazy FPS games that was on PC that
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  like it wasn't good but bits and pieces of Trespasser were used
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  in games that we now love and know because the mechanics being
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  built upon it. Aren't they doing it again?
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  They're making like another. It's like an Alien Isolation
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  style or game based in Jurassic Park.
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  I, I think so. And if I think that would work
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  well, I I Jurassic Park is perfect for something like that.
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  Yeah. And I'd love to see more shit
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  like that. I would love to see like more
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  IPS like Jurassic Park, fucking Alien.
• 21:25
  I mean, aliens got isolation, Alien versus the Alien versus
• 21:29
  Predator series, dude. Like those games were awesome.
• 21:33
  Like I always give flowers to AVP too so I I feel like IP is
• 21:38
  in gaming need to work but it's if you give it to the right
• 21:42
  team. Yeah, nowadays, like, like I had
• 21:46
  said, it's it's very much based on the IP.
• 21:50
  One other game that I played to death and I think is an
• 21:54
  incredible use of an IP adaptation like that is Hogwarts
• 22:00
  Legacy, which is of course, those movies are based on a
• 22:03
  book, you know? But what what I think for the
• 22:09
  most part, like what these games do is they you have the world
• 22:13
  that you see on screen and it allows you to sort of exist
• 22:16
  within that. Well, it expands that world for
• 22:19
  you too. Yeah, like it expands it to the
• 22:22
  point where. OK, well now I'm at Hogwarts.
• 22:25
  So what is Hogwarts like? And now you get to see what?
• 22:28
  You get to be Hogwarts, but you get to see it.
• 22:30
  Makes you feel like Hogwarts. It makes you feel like Hogwarts,
• 22:34
  but you get to see what it's like.
• 22:35
  And it's cool, because in Hogwarts Legacy, you're not
• 22:38
  Harry fucking Potter. No, the games.
• 22:40
  You're you. You're the student.
• 22:42
  Yeah, a a lot of the time what these games will do is set you
• 22:49
  with some distance from the movie so that sometimes it's to
• 22:54
  avoid like plot problems. Sometimes it's to avoid like
• 22:59
  messing up any continuity, you know, other times a developer
• 23:05
  kind of gets like the blessing from the director or the creator
• 23:09
  or the author, the writers of a movie to really, really get in
• 23:15
  there and like be in the continuity.
• 23:17
  Frontiers of Pandora is a huge example of that because we saw
• 23:22
  it came out I think just after the second movie and in between
• 23:27
  the second movie coming out, the game coming out and the third
• 23:31
  movie. In the third movie, there are
• 23:34
  certain aspects that you will have only seen present if you
• 23:38
  played the game. Which is awesome.
• 23:40
  Which is incredible. It just it like it goes to show
• 23:42
  like in my opinion, that is the perfect ecosystem of movies and
• 23:49
  video games together. Is that IP?
• 23:52
  It's so like so suited for that kind of integration.
• 23:59
  Well shit, dude, we got fucking games like Star Wars, we got IPS
• 24:03
  like we got an IP like Star Wars, right?
• 24:05
  So with Star Wars, there's so much to do.
• 24:07
  You got fucking Star Wars dark forces, you got galaxies, you
• 24:11
  got the Jedi series that's out currently.
• 24:13
  You got Knights of the Old Republic and.
• 24:16
  Like pod racing game coming up? Pod racing Jedi.
• 24:18
  Oh my God. Squadrons.
• 24:21
  Squadrons and fucking bounty hunter and there's so many games
• 24:26
  in that IP, that franchise that work and help add more to what
• 24:33
  Star Wars is, which is an ever expanding universe.
• 24:37
  And I, I, I get excited every time I see something Star Wars
• 24:40
  related cause like OK cool. Like, I would love to just be a
• 24:43
  Mandalorian though, right? Like I, I want more games like
• 24:46
  that. I don't need to be a Jedi, but I
• 24:48
  love, like being the Smuggler. I love being like a Mandalorian.
• 24:51
  And that's like when I was playing Galaxies back in the
• 24:55
  day, 'cause you can still play Galaxies.
• 24:57
  But yeah, there's a whole thing to it now.
• 25:01
  But I loved that because you can go down different paths.
• 25:03
  Do you want to be a Smuggler? Do you want to work for the
• 25:04
  huts? Do you want to do, do you want
• 25:06
  to be a Jedi? If so, then this is the path you
• 25:09
  have to go. And you have to go to different
• 25:10
  parts of the Galaxy, meet up with different players, and
• 25:12
  they'll help you. And that was cool.
• 25:14
  But then you run into things like IPS, like The Matrix,
• 25:18
  right, where those adaptations weren't so great in video games,
• 25:22
  but they should be. And then from the Matrix, it
• 25:26
  spawned something like The Matrix Online, which was again,
• 25:29
  supposed to be great, but it really wasn't.
• 25:33
  And. Not quite.
• 25:34
  No, I, I mean, I loved it. I have the box over there.
• 25:38
  I would love to see a resurgence and things like The Matrix
• 25:40
  getting more video games. Like they had that like Unreal
• 25:43
  Engine 5 demo not too long ago and it was just like nothing.
• 25:47
  But I would love to see more things like that.
• 25:50
  There's just so much Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, like,
• 25:53
  there's so much we could do. Yeah, there's the, I mean, it's
• 25:57
  all these movies that come out, they have such like rich world
• 26:00
  building and you always want to see something more fleshed out.
• 26:03
  I think a game is a great way to do that.
• 26:06
  If you can't or don't want to make another movie based on on a
• 26:11
  thing, if you don't feel it needs a sequel, you can always
• 26:14
  make a game and set it in the world and you can explore other
• 26:18
  aspects without having to make something different or reuse
• 26:22
  your characters. You can explore a different time
• 26:26
  in that same world. There's another sort of category
• 26:31
  that's a little bit special. It's a little bit more different
• 26:34
  because they are direct tie insurance to movies, even going
• 26:40
  as far as to use audio from said movies.
• 26:43
  And those are the Lego video games.
• 26:46
  It started with. It started with Lego Lord of the
• 26:49
  Rings, which is the first one to take dialogue and audio directly
• 26:53
  from the movie before that. And since then, sometimes
• 26:57
  they'll do either they'll have like dialogue from the movie or
• 27:01
  like kind of grunts and noises instead of full on voice acting.
• 27:08
  The, it was Lord of the Rings did it.
• 27:11
  I know that the Jurassic World games all did it, but they're
• 27:16
  the only games I could think of that like fully do that.
• 27:19
  And I think they, they work it in to the comedy, like it's kind
• 27:22
  of in the Lord of the Rings game, Like it's, it's kind of
• 27:25
  funny because you're, you know, it's a Lego game, so you're
• 27:27
  breaking everything and then like your character dies and you
• 27:31
  hear like Viggo Mortensen scream happen.
• 27:35
  It's, it's very jarring and very funny.
• 27:39
  But they're sort of in a, in a category all their own because
• 27:43
  they are direct tie insurance. You're seeing like sometimes
• 27:47
  shot for shot remakes in Lego and the sound is just ripped
• 27:51
  right from the movie. Star Wars does it one of like
• 27:55
  for for me, the first Lego tie in game I played was Star Wars.
• 27:59
  All of those games when they were dropping and I and I loved
• 28:02
  it. I always thought it it.
• 28:06
  I never thought I would like it when I was because it came out
• 28:08
  when I was a teenager. I was already playing things
• 28:10
  like God of War and Gears of War and shit like that and half life
• 28:14
  and all of those things. But like then I see this like
• 28:17
  Star Wars Lego and I have I've always loved Lego.
• 28:19
  I've always loved Star Wars. I'm very cool play it.
• 28:22
  Phantom Menace comes out and I remember playing the Star Wars
• 28:26
  version of it or the Lego version of Phantom Menace and
• 28:29
  it's that opening scene from Phantom Menace.
• 28:31
  And I was like, oh, this is cool.
• 28:33
  Like immediately I'm like, this is cool.
• 28:35
  You know, it's it's got it's Lego charms.
• 28:37
  Like when you die, it's just like your head is like.
• 28:40
  A. Guarantee yeah, you break into a
• 28:43
  million bricks and like it's, it's cool, man.
• 28:46
  I remember playing like the first time I really cracked up
• 28:48
  was I was like playing as R2D2 in one of the Lego Star Wars
• 28:52
  games and I blew up and he, he did the thing.
• 28:56
  I was like, this is cool. So it's like those are very
• 28:59
  special though. And like that they, they're able
• 29:01
  to continue 'cause now we're getting Lego Batman and so on
• 29:05
  and so forth. Or more Lego Batman rather.
• 29:09
  Or no. Yeah, just Lego Batman and.
• 29:11
  Well, is it different? It's very different than other.
• 29:13
  Lego games, it's very different, but they they are able to do it
• 29:18
  because the level of care and love they pour into those games,
• 29:22
  I feel is there opposed. You know, on the opposite end
• 29:26
  you got things like Lord of the Ring Gollum that comes out and
• 29:29
  it's like, you know, you could have made a cool Gollum game.
• 29:35
  Wasn't there a Kong one too? There's a King Kong one that was
• 29:39
  really bad. There's a Godzilla. 1.
• 29:41
  Like there's, there's games on everything.
• 29:44
  It's crazy to me that the legendary universe that they've
• 29:47
  built of the, you know, the monsters, the Godzilla universe
• 29:52
  that they've built is so good and somehow a King Kong game
• 29:54
  comes out and it's horrible. Well, even like the fighters
• 29:57
  game because there's like King Kong, Godzilla fighting name
• 30:00
  where you can like battle against like Mothra, Rodan and
• 30:05
  all that shit. Or yeah, Rodan.
• 30:08
  Rodan, King Ghidorah. King Ghidorah.
• 30:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even those games to me, I'm
• 30:13
  like, this is just so bad, dude. It's just not good.
• 30:16
  It's not fun. And I need I just how do you not
• 30:19
  make a cool Zilla game? I don't know, I mean, it's, it's
• 30:23
  because like I think people nowadays like games are required
• 30:27
  to be so much more Back in the day, like you could just make a
• 30:32
  platformer with Godzilla and and call it the Godzilla movie tie
• 30:36
  in. You know, it's now you have to,
• 30:38
  you have to have a plot, you have to have like.
• 30:40
  Micro transactions. I know, I know you guys are just
• 30:45
  proving that, but. That's very true.
• 30:47
  You There has to be so much and there has to be sort of a
• 30:49
  justification for games now. I think just making a copy of
• 30:54
  the movie as a game is no longer enough.
• 30:58
  Yeah. Which, you know, maybe it's
• 31:00
  good, maybe it's not so good. You know what Godzilla would
• 31:03
  lend itself to really well? What?
• 31:05
  And I know we just talked about Jurassic Park and Alien doing
• 31:07
  it, but like an isolation level thing, Yeah.
• 31:10
  Where you are like trying to get to 1 end of the city to the
• 31:13
  neck. I mean, you can make it
• 31:14
  sprawling and huge. Yeah, but you like, Godzilla's
• 31:18
  just there. And it's not the Godzilla's the
• 31:20
  bat. It's not Godzilla's not really
• 31:22
  the bad guy here, guys, by the way.
• 31:24
  But like, you know, like you're trying.
• 31:26
  To fall on side guns. Depends like Shin Godzilla that
• 31:29
  if you want to do it, do Shin Yeah, because that would be
• 31:32
  sweet. You're trying to get through a
• 31:33
  city. It just Shin Godzilla fucking
• 31:35
  shit up. That would be fun.
• 31:36
  It would be sweet. And you have to like, that's
• 31:39
  what I'm saying. That'd be cool.
• 31:41
  But like we don't get those games.
• 31:43
  We never get those games. And I don't understand it
• 31:45
  because there's so many things like why do we not have a new
• 31:47
  Alien VS Predator game? When was the last?
• 31:51
  The last good one was AVP 2, early 2000.
• 31:54
  I mean they had that, they tried to do that Predator 4.
• 31:58
  V Grounds. Hunting grounds.
• 31:59
  Proving Grounds. Yeah, which is a cool.
• 32:00
  Like, yeah, it was cool, but it was bad, man, because like, that
• 32:05
  was in the hype during the fucking.
• 32:07
  Like, OK, here's a Jason game, here's a Michael Myers game, and
• 32:10
  here's like Dead by Daylight I. Didn't even think of that.
• 32:13
  Dead by Daylight has all those DLCS where they put in very
• 32:17
  famous killers from like 7. Well, Hellraiser is about to get
• 32:21
  its own game. Yeah, which supposedly it's,
• 32:24
  it's a Blum House game, I think, but supposed to be really good.
• 32:28
  The other one we I've talked about on the show, we talked
• 32:30
  about on Halloween, but the Blair Witch game.
• 32:32
  Incredible. Not exactly based on the movie,
• 32:35
  but features a lot of the stuff that you've seen the movie, you
• 32:38
  know, it got the IT was. Scary.
• 32:40
  The camera stuff, it is the same Blair Witch as as the movie
• 32:45
  continuity. But that sort of leads me into
• 32:49
  the last little bit that I want to talk about.
• 32:53
  Are there any movie franchises that you would like to get a
• 32:57
  game? And if they did, how would that
• 33:00
  game play out like if you wanted?
• 33:02
  What I thought of recently is a Predator Badlands game that
• 33:05
  would play out like a God of War style action adventure game.
• 33:10
  Yeah. And then the other one that I've
• 33:13
  always wished for is a Planet of the Apes game that.
• 33:17
  Like an actual. Yeah, like, in my mind it would,
• 33:20
  it would play like a Far Cry kind of thing.
• 33:23
  You know, you'd be going around like, liberating camps and
• 33:26
  freeing other apes and becoming more intelligent as you go.
• 33:30
  So do you have any, any hopes for something like that?
• 33:35
  I do, I for me. I would like to.
• 33:36
  I would really, really like to go back to something like The
• 33:39
  Matrix. I brought it up a little bit ago
• 33:41
  on the show, but I would really like to see the Matrix expounded
• 33:44
  upon and explored more. We get so much in the movies,
• 33:49
  but we have the opportunity now with technology and what you can
• 33:53
  really do in a game to explore it.
• 33:55
  I would love to see something like The Matrix Online come
• 33:58
  back. A giant fucking MMO where you
• 34:02
  are in the city and you can there are agents, there are
• 34:07
  players as agents and or just like the resistance and how cool
• 34:11
  is that? You don't even have to show NEO.
• 34:13
  I don't need to see NEO. You can like have little.
• 34:16
  Know he's there. Exactly, like why would you not
• 34:19
  do that? Like you could, I think that
• 34:22
  would be perfect. Or and at least at the very
• 34:24
  least in our PG, I want to see more Shadow of War games.
• 34:27
  I don't think we're ever going to see those games.
• 34:28
  Lord of the Rings for me. I also think like a Game of
• 34:32
  Thrones game in the same style as Kingdom come Deliverance
• 34:40
  would be awesome. Like it would be awesome.
• 34:43
  So many different paths you can choose and decisions you'd have
• 34:47
  to make that would really define your character and your play
• 34:50
  style. I think it would be awesome but
• 34:53
  date World War ZI feel like there.
• 34:56
  Was a World War Z? Game there was, but I would like
• 34:59
  to see that in almost like a Day Z style game.
• 35:02
  Yeah. So for you.
• 35:04
  Yeah. So for you, it sounds like just
• 35:07
  existing in these worlds is sort of the biggest thing for you.
• 35:11
  Existing in these worlds and learning more about the worlds
• 35:14
  in which I've watched and or read about.
• 35:15
  Yeah. Because if I can impact a little
• 35:19
  bit of the story and a little bit of the world.
• 35:21
  That's why I like Dune. The latest Dune game was so
• 35:23
  sweet because it feels like when you're playing, you're impacting
• 35:26
  the world, you're impacting what's around you and while also
• 35:30
  learning the politics of Arakis and like just learning what
• 35:35
  makes Arakis tick is really fucking special to me.
• 35:39
  It's really special to me and there's so many like it.
• 35:43
  It sucks 'cause I now I'm on the spot and I'm trying to think of
• 35:46
  awesome movies that I love 'cause I, I told, you know, we,
• 35:49
  we talk about movies and video games all the time.
• 35:51
  I think a a sweet ass Akira game would be cool as I got awesome
• 35:56
  like beat em up eraser. That would be really, really,
• 36:00
  really cool. I'd play here's a deep cut for
• 36:03
  you screen. It came from screen box fans.
• 36:06
  I would I would play an Adam Chaplin prototype style run
• 36:13
  through a hallway and just turn people into paste kind of game.
• 36:17
  Yeah, dude, that would be Why is there no X-Men game that plays
• 36:21
  like Hogwarts Legacy? Yeah, why can't I be a little
• 36:25
  X-Men guy in? The halls of.
• 36:28
  Going to Xavier's place, look. Oh yeah, there's Beast.
• 36:33
  Yeah, dude, why am I not at Xavier's School for the Gifted?
• 36:37
  Like why or why not have these games?
• 36:39
  That'd be awesome. Yeah, there's just.
• 36:43
  The problem with this topic is it's endless.
• 36:46
  Yeah. 'Cause we could sit all day and
• 36:48
  go, well this would be great and This is why.
• 36:51
  But like, the biggest one is Alien versus Predator for me.
• 36:54
  Why is there not an awesome online game right now that you
• 36:59
  could play that looks awesome, plays fantastically, and it's
• 37:03
  just a fun time where you choose to be a Marine, an alien, or a
• 37:08
  Predator? I was.
• 37:11
  Gonna say how? How would you think?
• 37:14
  How would that play out for you? Like the like the second one
• 37:17
  that came out back in the day. If you play as an Alien, you
• 37:19
  start as a face hugger. You skid around the map looking
• 37:23
  for other players. You fucking hug them, and then
• 37:26
  you chest burst and now you're a chest burster.
• 37:28
  OK, so you want to continue to grow into an alien, a xenomorph.
• 37:31
  Cool. You chomp away a dead body that
• 37:33
  you just killed. Look for the dead bodies, chomp.
• 37:36
  You fucking turn into a Xenomorph cool that like your
• 37:39
  team depends on you to do that you're or you're a colonial
• 37:42
  marine just killing everything or you're a predator stalking
• 37:44
  the map and you see a marine trying to kill a xenomorph.
• 37:48
  OK, So what do you kill first? It it's awesome.
• 37:51
  There's three different teams going at it all at once, like
• 37:54
  awesome arena style gameplay. But I also think a story mode
• 37:58
  would be cool for something like that where, you know, I think it
• 38:01
  focuses on a Marine and I the on Earth or wherever you have in
• 38:06
  Predators and the aliens are there and it's just like this
• 38:08
  thing that you're trying to figure out.
• 38:11
  Fuck the game. The thing was awesome.
• 38:14
  Yeah, it's a. Direct tie, yeah.
• 38:17
  It was a great tie and a night dive.
• 38:18
  Recently re released it and remastered it and it was
• 38:21
  awesome. So it's just, it's just endless.
• 38:24
  I think a lot of games you could like a action movies like
• 38:31
  predator Badlands is one that I think of.
• 38:32
  It's is a game that I think if you envision it in sort of a God
• 38:36
  of War style semi linear, semi open world game could be really,
• 38:42
  really fun. There's a lot of lore there.
• 38:45
  You know, you could set it in a place where there's constantly
• 38:49
  other monsters showing up or other creatures showing up.
• 38:54
  I I feel like there's sort of endless possibilities with
• 38:59
  certain movies, certain IPS. I I was surprised when that Tom
• 39:06
  Cruise movie, that Live Die, repeat Edge of Tomorrow movie
• 39:08
  never got anything with it, but it was kind of the enemies
• 39:13
  looked a lot like the enemies from Crysis 2.
• 39:16
  Yeah, I always, I always thought that that was strange, which
• 39:20
  kind of gave me a little bit of like, oh, I was like, well, if I
• 39:22
  want to fight these guys, I could just play Crysis 2.
• 39:25
  Yeah, Well, exactly. Yeah, Yeah, No, great topic,
• 39:29
  dude. It it, it.
• 39:30
  But like I said, it's endless. Yeah, you could go forever about
• 39:33
  that, but this is just some of some of the ideas.
• 39:36
  The beauty of this episode is we could bring anyone we want on
• 39:39
  this and it would be different. Yeah.
• 39:41
  They'd be like, oh, what about this and the.
• 39:43
  Holy shit, I didn't even think about that.
• 39:44
  I have a wall of movies out there.
• 39:46
  I can't even think of one right now where I'm like, that would
• 39:48
  be great. And I know.
• 39:49
  There's there was a, there was a toxic Avenger game or toxic
• 39:53
  Crusaders game that came out. Recenters that that you know,
• 39:56
  there's just there's so many different IPS that lend itself
• 39:59
  to so many different play styles too.
• 40:02
  Again, like for me, like games of like series like Lord of the
• 40:06
  rings, Star Wars, Game of Thrones, let's all really lend
• 40:10
  themselves perfectly to a great single player story adventure
• 40:15
  RPG. Lord of the rings I think would
• 40:19
  be a great online game though, too.
• 40:21
  Like MMO feel like that would be a.
• 40:23
  I think they did back in. The day, yeah, they did yeah,
• 40:26
  they did. But I, I think nowadays with the
• 40:28
  technology we have and like how servers are actually running
• 40:31
  now, I feel like a lot of these games, I guess Matrix Online,
• 40:34
  Lord of the Rings Online and Star Wars Galaxies, I feel like
• 40:37
  they could exist again in a grand fashion.
• 40:42
  And I think I think there's a lot of games that we're missing
• 40:44
  like that because I don't want to go back to Wow.
• 40:47
  Like, I haven't played Wow in so long and I don't really want to
• 40:49
  go back. So.
• 40:52
  Oh man. Well honey, yeah, no, thanks for
• 40:55
  bringing this up. I'm glad I got to have you on
• 40:58
  this week. Well, in the future WA.
• 41:00
  Whenever this is coming out. Next week?
• 41:03
  Well, this is confusing to a listener.
• 41:06
  Yes, yes. Everybody Evergreen topics.
• 41:11
  These are we might be we might be recording tomorrow too.
• 41:13
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• 41:17
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• 41:19
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