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Star Wars Aftermath Life Debt Review Episode CCVII · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who are joining us live, I
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  Speaker 2: want to go ahead and apologize even maybe those who
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  Speaker 2: are listening on podcasts, because for one, Katie is not
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  Speaker 2: in her usual setting, so her volume might sound a
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  Speaker 2: little off, which is totally fine, but.
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  Speaker 3: Weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it always disorients me because like it like it's
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  Speaker 2: like as if I have drunk vision, Like while I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking to you, it's like everything is like going around
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  Speaker 2: in circles and up and down and and it's all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of crazy. But also for those of you who
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  Speaker 2: are joining us on YouTube, you can see that I
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  Speaker 2: have children with me. Actually you can't see because I
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  Speaker 2: purposely put my daughter behind the chair, but you see
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  Speaker 2: my dog.
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  Speaker 4: My wife is currently in a.
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  Speaker 2: Work meeting, and we needed to record, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to push, you know, Katie, to having to wait
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  Speaker 2: so long with her being at her parents' house, which Katie,
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  Speaker 2: thankfully you were Okay. Yes, I have heard and seen
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  Speaker 2: some crazy things come out of this hurricane, absolutely insane,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully there's not so much craziness. And I've already
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  Speaker 2: seen reports of like over like one hundred deaths already
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  Speaker 2: in your area or where it was hit in South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina North Carolina area.
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  Speaker 3: It is mainly in the North Carolina area where the
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  Speaker 3: deaths have been occurring. I'm from the upstate of South Carolina,
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  Speaker 3: if anybody doesn't know that. But we were out of
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  Speaker 3: power for three days. We did not have to experience
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  Speaker 3: being out of power very long because I have family
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  Speaker 3: that's about a couple hours away, so we were able
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  Speaker 3: to take everything, kind of get down and just get
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  Speaker 3: away from the chaos with a baby, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Like that's that's the that's the craziest thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because I had mentioned it in our GUA chat a
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  Speaker 2: little insight on my life.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, everybody knows that I.
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  Speaker 2: Recently moved to Indiana, but one of the choices was
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  Speaker 2: to live closer to Katie and some other members of
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  Speaker 2: the GUA. And if I were to have done that,
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  Speaker 2: my wife Abby was saying, like, man, could you imagine,
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  Speaker 2: Like we wouldn't have anybody there to help us out,
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  Speaker 2: and we would have just been stranded with a two
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  Speaker 2: year old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the worst thing we had was some lost groceries.
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  Speaker 3: So like it is what it is, I'm really thankful
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  Speaker 3: that like we weren't in like the major path yeah
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  Speaker 3: and everything. And I'm really praying for Western North Carolina
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  Speaker 3: because like we were supposed to be off tomorrow and
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  Speaker 3: Friday to go apple picking and do stuff in western
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina and that's not happening now obviously, Like Chimney
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  Speaker 3: Rock is gone. Like I grew up going to Chimney Rock,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's horrifying to me.
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  Speaker 4: Like, so, yeah, I uh with with my job.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know this, but there is actually a lot
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  Speaker 2: of high industrial comic book printers uh in the area
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  Speaker 2: of Florida in all the way like moving up north
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  Speaker 2: on that coast, and a lot of them have actually
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  Speaker 2: been hit. So my job is getting more and more
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  Speaker 2: difficult every single day that we get updates. But thankfully
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the people knew this was gonna happen
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  Speaker 2: and they took precautions to to kind of negate a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the.
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  Speaker 4: Fallback from it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, just a little life update there, But we
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  Speaker 2: do have very little news to talk about. Not a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot has happened since the last it's been two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: and nothing too crazy. I hope you guys enjoyed the
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  Speaker 2: conversation about Lego Star Wars Rebuild the Galaxy, as well
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  Speaker 2: as the very difficult con Star Wars Trivia. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was a lot of fun. But this week we
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  Speaker 2: have some video game and technically video game non video
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  Speaker 2: game news. So first one, I believe it was actually
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  Speaker 2: I shared it, and again I need to stop using
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  Speaker 2: the Star Wars Alliance Twitter account, but.
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  Speaker 3: It was so helpful to add that account, and it.
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  Speaker 4: Is it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's so helpful because it's a lot easier to grab
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  Speaker 2: things and reference them when we are talking throughout the episodes.
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  Speaker 2: But I get notifications and I immediately start to respond
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  Speaker 2: and then like even Travis called me out on it.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, thank you, Star Wars Alliance. But but
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  Speaker 2: I did post this on our Star Wars Alliance chat
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  Speaker 2: saying that there are reports saying that Star Wars Outlaws
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  Speaker 2: only sold one million copies since launch, and I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are like a million. That's a lot,
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  Speaker 2: holy crap. In retrospect, that is very, very minimal. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I will say it's not as small as some of
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  Speaker 2: the other releases that have happened in the video game
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  Speaker 2: world this year, because there have been some very very
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  Speaker 2: mediocre and pathetic launches with things like Suicide Squad and
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  Speaker 2: even a first person shooter or a third person shooter
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was called Concord. Those have
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  Speaker 2: been the really big highlights in the video game world.
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  Speaker 2: But here with Star Wars Outlaws having sold only one
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  Speaker 2: million copies, it is not great. And the reason being
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  Speaker 2: Travis brought it up in our Star Wars Alliance chat.
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  Speaker 2: They put this on game pass. It has been a
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  Speaker 2: very weird thing for Xbox to tests and because again,
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  Speaker 2: this whole entertainment world in the past ten years have
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  Speaker 2: been revolving around subscriptions, whether that be for Netflix, whether
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  Speaker 2: that be for again Xbox or PlayStation, we start to
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  Speaker 2: see subscriptions for some of the most like very simple
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  Speaker 2: things like photo storage. It's everything is surrounding subscriptions, and
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  Speaker 2: so Xbox was like, hey, let's do this game pass
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  Speaker 2: thing and we'll do some of the craziest deals so
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  Speaker 2: that way people will be invested in the game pass
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll make more money that way. As it
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  Speaker 2: really turned out that way, people have been purchasing the
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  Speaker 2: game pass for fifteen dollars, beating the game within one month,
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  Speaker 2: and then turning off game Pass. This is what people
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  Speaker 2: do for Netflix. They turn it on Binge the one
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  Speaker 2: show that they wanted to watch for that month's release,
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  Speaker 2: and then they cancel it and then they move on
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  Speaker 2: with their lives. And people have gotten smarter with it,
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  Speaker 2: and that's how they have been playing these games. If
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  Speaker 2: you're going to offer this kind of service, then that's.
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  Speaker 4: What you're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: I also said one of the biggest problems with this game,
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  Speaker 2: although it looked great, I think that you know, eventually
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  Speaker 2: I will play it.
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  Speaker 4: I still want to. But out of the.
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  Speaker 2: Gate, the biggest conversations about this game were about how
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  Speaker 2: expensive the extra content was. Yeah, nothing solely focused on
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  Speaker 2: the game itself, the creation side of that of the game, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't have highlights of those things that really out
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  Speaker 2: We're outspoken enough to kind of shy away from the
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, the DLC is fifty nine to ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine and one hundred dollars. If you want to buy
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  Speaker 2: everything all at once, it's gonna cost you one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty dollars. Like it's it's It's not a great
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  Speaker 2: way to go for your game, especially if you're wanting
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  Speaker 2: to move away from something like a Jedi Survivor or
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  Speaker 2: Jedi series, because you're like, okay, that is with a
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  Speaker 2: Jedi protagonist. We're gonna try something else. Let's try something different,
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  Speaker 2: and you fumble right out the gate with it. It's
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  Speaker 2: not great for your future projects. I think this is
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  Speaker 2: going to make things like Eclipse, which we haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: a thing from in so many months. Yeah, it makes
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  Speaker 2: it harder for people to say, hey, I'm still invested
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  Speaker 2: in this game that still hasn't been made, but I
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  Speaker 2: hope it's really good, you know. So it's it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be hard to see where Star Wars is in future gaming.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt actually bought a copy of it so that
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  Speaker 3: we could start kind of looking into it and everything,
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  Speaker 3: and he said, it's like pretty decent. Like I watched
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of it to like watch things as
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  Speaker 3: it came along, and it it like, it feels pretty simple.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just not like, I don't like the controls with
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  Speaker 3: video games and stuff. So yeah, obviously not around our
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  Speaker 3: TVs and stuff right now. So once we get back,
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  Speaker 3: I we'll like look into it again and everything. But
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  Speaker 3: the game pass thing was always stupid. It was always
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  Speaker 3: super stupid to put brand new game on there. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like we saw like Deadpool and Wolverine, for instance, it
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  Speaker 3: was announced and people were like, oh, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: on Disney Plus October first when it goes to like
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  Speaker 3: digital purchasing mm hmm, like and Disney quickly was like,
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  Speaker 3: uh no, not happening, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because they they need to make their money's worth.
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  Speaker 2: And with things like this, I know that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of video game companies are starting to push back on
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  Speaker 2: the decisions for both PlayStation and Xbox. Unfortunately, Xbox has
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  Speaker 2: uh kind of made it their like.
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  Speaker 3: Mission.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's it's they They've made it there like, hey, deal,
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  Speaker 2: they've made it their deal breaker, like, hey, if you
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  Speaker 2: want to make this game exclusive to Xbox, or if
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  Speaker 2: you want to make this game for us, it needs
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  Speaker 2: to be a day one game past thing. And it's
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  Speaker 2: so funny because the head of Xbox has said time
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  Speaker 2: and time again, hey, I don't think this game pass
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  Speaker 2: thing is working out, like maybe we should try something different,
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  Speaker 2: and then they don't try anything different, so I'm not
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  Speaker 2: entirely sure what they plan on doing in the future.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely something to just continue to keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye on because yeah, who knows, Ye, the camera is
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  Speaker 3: super freaking me out. I'm sorry. But in.
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  Speaker 2: Other video game non video game news, we have a
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  Speaker 2: scoop via Daniel RpK which I think may not happen,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe it will because we actually saw a photo
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  Speaker 2: of something that really leans into the possibility of this
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  Speaker 2: high happening. And it could have just been a tease
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  Speaker 2: or you know, something silly. But the reports say that
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  Speaker 2: Calkestis will reportedly make his live action debut in a
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  Speaker 2: Disney Plus Star Wars project, and I immediately said, I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe it. Travis was on the other boat saying, actually,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is likely going to happen comparatively to
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  Speaker 2: everything else.
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  Speaker 4: And I want to hear your opinion, Katie.
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel about this scoop in general, and like,
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  Speaker 2: is it something that you think is more believable than
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  Speaker 2: a movie or just continuing his his video game thing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, like we had talked about this before and you
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  Speaker 3: had even said like, oh, I want him to come, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the live action, which totally makes sense. I mean, Cameron
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  Speaker 3: is an incredible actor. He did an incredible job as
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  Speaker 3: Joker and Gothham. He loves the character of Calcastus, so
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  Speaker 3: you think, oh, okay, makes perfect sense, like let's go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and bring him in. So I think this makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean we had even theorized, Okay, Mandalorian and
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  Speaker 3: Grogu Air to the Empire movie like stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: where you could bring in additional resources and go, hey, like,
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  Speaker 3: let's look at this in terms of Disney Plus projects.
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  Speaker 3: I still think that leaves it open to interpretation because
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Mandalorian and Grogu, I mean, come on, that's
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  Speaker 3: a Disney Plus project. Like, let's just be real now.
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  Speaker 2: It it is the Disney Plus project. But of course
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  Speaker 2: it is going to be in theaters, So yes, I
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  Speaker 2: am curious if they are really pushing and and this
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  Speaker 2: is it an actual genuine question because I don't think
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  Speaker 2: we've ever talked about it before either. But the idea
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  Speaker 2: of is Mandalorian Grogu going to be one of those
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  Speaker 2: that has to stay like hard within the budget or
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  Speaker 2: is this gonna be a movie because of the subject
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  Speaker 2: matter of it being the Mandalorian their swan song right
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  Speaker 2: now for Star Wars? Is this a movie that can
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  Speaker 2: kind of break the rule a little bit and be like, ah, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you go a little bit over budget,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine. Because we just recently had a conversation in
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  Speaker 2: the Guachat where I was a little salty about everything
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  Speaker 2: that's been going on recently. But I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the decisions that Disney has made recently have
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  Speaker 2: not been super great, and I think, you know, there
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  Speaker 2: it's a little suss. All the information that's coming out
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  Speaker 2: very convenient me and everything else. So I would want
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  Speaker 2: to know what the Mandalorian Grogu Like it is a
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  Speaker 2: Disney Plus project, but I don't think they're looking at
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  Speaker 2: as a Disney Plus project. I think this is a
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  Speaker 2: high budgeted movie even though it's not high budget.
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  Speaker 3: You know, all right, y'all, we're gonna hit our first
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  Speaker 3: ad break and we will be right back in three
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  Speaker 3: two one, And I agree, But I'm also like, you're
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  Speaker 3: not gonna escape the Disney Plus dumb that you've roped
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  Speaker 3: yourself into by having these characters start off on Disney Plus,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, we've talked about it, like, is it
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  Speaker 3: going to come down to Mandalorian Grogu is just a
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  Speaker 3: flashback movie where we get all the flashbacks from season one,
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  Speaker 3: season two, and season three, to kind of catch us
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  Speaker 3: up for the Air of the Empire movie, Like you
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  Speaker 3: just can't escape that. You say, Oh, this is going
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  Speaker 3: to theaters. People are gonna be like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 3: a Star Wars movie. Oh, but I don't know who
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  Speaker 3: these characters are. Oh, you're telling me I need to
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  Speaker 3: go watch Disney Plus and subscribe to Disney Plus. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I won't go see this in theaters, Like that's
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  Speaker 3: the risk you're taking here. On top of the news
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  Speaker 3: that RpK has also put out that there will be
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  Speaker 3: no Mandalorian in season four. We are getting Mandalorian and
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  Speaker 3: Grogu and that's going to be it. But Den Jarren
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  Speaker 3: will still continue to make appearances in other projects. So
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  Speaker 3: like a completely.
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  Speaker 2: That's an interesting statement. The the the whole thing of
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorian Grogu ending. We said that a long time ago, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: with Mandalorian Grogu, this is probably the end of the
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorian TV show. Yeah, but the fact that he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be in other projects.
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  Speaker 4: We said that.
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorian Grogu and or possibly of course the uh Air
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  Speaker 2: to the Empire movie, Yeah, would be his swan song,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when he would possibly die as a character,
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  Speaker 2: but you.
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  Speaker 3: Think other project, Okay, Mandalorian and Grogu the Empire movie.
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  Speaker 4: That's true. Yeah, so that.
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  Speaker 3: Is another project, even though RBK's Scoop said other projects, like,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's all really nilli right now. I'm apparently
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: a super big cynic right now in terms of all
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  Speaker 3: things in life.
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  Speaker 2: Well not only that, but us as Star Wars fans,
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  Speaker 2: I think we should be cynics after the things that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: have been happening recently. Like, yeah, it's it's really hard
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  Speaker 2: to be that one positive individual. But I because you
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: were right, You're you're absolutely right. When we first talked
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: about Kyle Caastis getting a live action adaptation, I said, one,
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  Speaker 2: I'm totally for it. But for the fact that this
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  Speaker 2: scoop specifically says, debut in a Disney Plus Star Wars project,
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  Speaker 2: I took that at face value, meaning Disney Plus. And
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  Speaker 2: so I say, after what Lucasfilm and Star Wars and
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  Speaker 2: Disney have been like looking at Star Wars at Disney Plus, like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not possible, Like it's not a huge investment as
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: has money on.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I've got money on, And it's something
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  Speaker 3: that we've talked about before and it's he's going to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: be in ah Soca season two, so we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get past Mandalorian and Grogu, We're going to have the
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  Speaker 3: third and final Jedi video game come out, and then
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be in a Soca season two and
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be working with Ezra to get back
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  Speaker 3: to Pardia or pretty and get Ahsoka into being off
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  Speaker 3: and back to our galaxy.
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  Speaker 4: I dig it. I think that would be fun.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I got money on.
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  Speaker 2: I would say yes, because I think he would be
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  Speaker 2: way too old and or dead maybe in the Race
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  Speaker 2: Skywalker New trilogy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and the other reason I put that up is
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  Speaker 3: kind of knowing how the Jedi video games are in
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the timeline. So you've got like ten A b Y
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  Speaker 3: probably like or I'm sorry ten bby seven bby. I
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  Speaker 3: think I'm not looking at a time whine off the
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  Speaker 3: top of my head.
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  Speaker 2: Just smile and wave play, Just smile and wave. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it's years in Star Wars the timeline. Yeah, just just
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  Speaker 2: act like everything is good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's in the Rebellion and time frame. So
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  Speaker 3: if you go five years into the future, you're in
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  Speaker 3: the Rebels time frame. So you've probably got a Rebels
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  Speaker 3: crew mission in the final season that we didn't get
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  Speaker 3: on TV for obvious reasons. But you bring that Rebels
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  Speaker 3: crew in and do a mission, and that's your introduction
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  Speaker 3: to Ezra, and that's how Ezra knows, Hey, Kyle Kestus
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  Speaker 3: is out there. That's the other Jedi I can talk to.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go find him so he can help me.
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  Speaker 2: I like that because in the first Jedi game we
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: did meet Saw exactly, and we have seen Saw in
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: so many different parts of his life, and he was
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  Speaker 2: in Rebels, and so I think that makes perfect sense
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  Speaker 2: for them to have missions the way that they did,
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  Speaker 2: completely across the galaxy at times. Yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 2: makes total sense that they would bump into each other eventually,
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  Speaker 2: and of course them being quiet about it would make
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  Speaker 2: even more sense because of how scarce the Jedi needed
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm for it.
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  Speaker 3: And since you brought it up, we had We didn't
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  Speaker 3: put this on the news, but it's been two weeks
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: since we've talked for regular episodes, and so one of
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the things that came out was that The Acolyte was
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: not at its budget of one hundred and eighty million.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: It was actually at two hundred and thirty million dollars,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: which is still in my opinion, yes, it's not where
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: TV needs to be. But you can't tell me that
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: spending three hundred million dollars on the Force Awakens for
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: two hours and fifteen minutes versus five hours.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I I am I don't.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I totally am on yours. I'm on your side because
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: again you can look at I can't even remember what
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Loki season two budget was, but like we know that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: early MCU projects on Disney, plus we're a shit ton
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of money. People were like, oh, they're taking movie budgets
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and putting it into TV shows.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to say Mandalorian was like two fifty it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I would not be surprised at all.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And Loki, I will I.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Have season two budget revealed one hundred and forty one
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: point three million dollars.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I will say this. If two hundred is the like, Hey,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: this is what's keeping streaming shows to eight episodes a season,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: then cut it. Cut cut the budget if it means
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that we can get more episodes in a season. That
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense logically, but hey, if that's how it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be, then that's what it's going to be I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: just I need somebody.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I'm I am.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Freaking Michael Scott from the office explain it to me
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: like I'm five, because I feel like that's what I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: need for some of these things. As far as the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: budget and stuff goes.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: So I said Mandalorian was three hundred million, it was
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: actually one hundred and twenty million, And that is apparently
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: the budget for the Mandalorian and Grogu, which makes sense.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: You have all the production already set up like there's
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: no need for it, and that doesn't The Mandorian season
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: one got a very high marketing budget because it was
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: part of the Disney Plus Watch, which is probably why
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I was thinking three hundred million obi wan with six
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: episodes with one hundred and fifty million. So yes, the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Acolyte is up there, but it also was scouting real locations.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: And the Forbes article also said one of the problems
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: was that they hired actual staff instead of freelancers for
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: total cost of twenty six million dollars. Okay, so you
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: paid your people and got them health insurance.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is always going to be an argument,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a valid argument. By the way, I'm not saying that
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to be like Oh, okay, it's it's not that big
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of a deal here. No, it is a valid argument
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: that people need to understand. Hey, people need to have
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a livable wage and health insurance. Those are two very
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: important things that need to happen.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And so the Acolyte started filming on the tail end
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of when COVID was a huge mess. Yes, and then
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: it had to deal with a strike in the middle
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: of it. So you sat there waiting for these actors
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: to be able to promote the project, like, yes, your
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: budget balloon balloons, like Mission Impossible's budget eight and nine ballooned,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Like these things happen, like if this is what you're
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: dealing with. So the whole budget argument, and especially like
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: we talked about in the gua chat, Yes, I can
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: hear the budget concerns. Okay, I fully admit. Okay, if
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: you're over budgets, then yes, that's a problem season two.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It's not gonna cost you that much more money, Like
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: it's because all your locations, all your sets are already done,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: like so that's easy for me to see. But the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: fact of the matter is is that if you couldn't
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: put this information out when the show got canceled, originally
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: why a month later?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And that's what got me off fired up when we
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: were talking about it. It was the fact that Agatha
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: all along started to get negative press over worldwide viewership
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and worldwide viewership that wasn't worldwide. I can't remember exactly
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: what the semantics were for it, but for the fact
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that just coincidentally, after all of this talk of Agatha
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: not doing great. Oh, by the way, Acolyte didn't do
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: all that great either on its budget. It's like, that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with Agatha right now, Why are
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you throwing this information out at me right now?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: It feels like a distraction technique. And yes, Agatha costs
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: way less money than Accolade did. I'm fully giving that
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the credit it deserves. Different productions, different environments to set up,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and it's just it blows my mind.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also, I will also be one decay
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: this and people can argue with me and want to
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: argue with me, I say, just argue with a wall.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Different shows entangled in different genres, based on the content
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that are in those shows should have widely different budgets.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: You should not be You should not be saying, hey,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Agatha was a forty seven I'm just throwing a number
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: out there, forty seven million dollar budget. Let's make a
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Star Wars show with forty seven million dollars. That's like
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: people could say, yeah, that's genius, but it's not to
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a certain degree. I understand why it would be genius
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: because then you're like, oh man, we're really profiting off
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of this. Yeah, but at the same time, you need
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to think about the quality of the IP that you
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: were in control of, like.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: The quality, but also like the like you said, different environments.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: So I get this set in modern day society. It's
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: not in a science fiction realm.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, but like suburban area, like it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: very easy to access in legit real world, whereas Star Wars,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a made up galaxy with a lot of alien stuff,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: needs to have a bigger budget for props, for the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: scenery for everything.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And and Or season one had a budget of two
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million. But both shows look incredible.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, Like, so.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: If the problem is is that, Okay, these aren't making
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: enough money, well, yes, we could have told you that
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the streaming realm is not going to make you money,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Like it's not. So if you should have made the
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Accolyte into a movie and done a movie budget for it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: So well, there's your there's your movie budget.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So I also need to look at this real quick
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: because a lot of people were also talking about how
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: genius the Penguin Show is. So from here it is
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: saying that Penguin is one hundred and eighty million. So again,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: though different realm of things, this also.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Debuts on HBO.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, sign your cast onto HBO Max, so it airs
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: at the same time as HBO and HBO Max. That
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you entangle things like commercials and advertisement and monetization in
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: different realms in that case, So I have to ask
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you this because I'm or Penguin right now, neither of I.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen a single episode of Penguin yet, and
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I've only seen the first episode of Agatha.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: But what I'm going to ask you is.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: We have seen time and time again viewership of HBO
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: shows make bookoos of numbers. They pop off, and you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: there's a what's the phrasing I'm looking for? There is
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: a mindset, a a set in stone idea for what
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: an HBO show should be, right as far as the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: quality and.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Everything else us The matter is is Penguin was added
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: as an HBO show after it was already filmed. So
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: this is Zaslov trying to integrate more things into HBO
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and make the HBO money. However, I've seen the first
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: episode of Penguin and it looks incredible.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And what I'm what I'm asking you is, is is
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the route to go? And I know, of course we've
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: we've seen it happen with with and Or, but and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Or went on to FX. I believe right it was
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: FX as it went on it went on to FX.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: It was advertised as, hey, the first three episodes are here.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: If you want to watch the rest, you have to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: subscribe to Disney Plus. Do they go the HBO HBO
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Max route and say, hey, every Star Wars show that
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: we create is now going to debut on FX and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Disney Plus at the same time. Is that something that
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Disney should consider doing in order to reach the numbers
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: that they want as well as getting the monetization that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: they want.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe that could potentially be a very good idea and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: just capitalizing on some ad revenue. I mean, I've got
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Disney ads right now, so it's like, eh, whatever, Yeah,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I could to really see that because that is Disney's
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: HBO for all intents and purposes.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I was trying to think of like
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: where that would be. And I assume because and Or
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: went to FX, that that's where it would be. You
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: do have things like Gosh, I don't even know what
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they call it nowadays, but it was for the longest
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: time ABC Family. Yeah, I don't know what it is
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: called nowadays, But like, I don't know if that would
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: necessarily be the right place for the high budget shows.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I think FX is that because you also have things
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: like Justify and Fargo and again those set in stone
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: high quality type of shows on FX, So I think
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that might be the route to go if they were
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to go in that route. I am going to go
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: ahead and ask you guys that are listening now, like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: do you do you think that is a good idea?
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Do you think that they should go into more of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a cable network as far as like Stars or you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: one of those channels as well. I don't Stars was
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the first thing I went to. I have no idea
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: who owns that, by the way, but it's it's just
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: an interesting thought.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I don't like the walking backwards into cable, Like I
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: hate the idea of cable because it was the whole
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I like, the whole reason why I did Netflix and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: streaming was, Hey, I don't have to watch commercials and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I don't have to wait for the next episode.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: It kind of annoys.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Me that there is live TV on Disney Plus, Like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I click it just for Amber Lynne to be able
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: to watch multiple shows without me having to switch through
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the channels. But like, at the same time, I'm just like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: we could just binge one whole show and be silly
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and watch this one show. I don't need to watch
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: all of whatever you program the live to be because
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: maybe I don't want to watch The Little Mermaid right now,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: or maybe I don't want to watch Spider Man right now.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I want to watch something else. So it's for me.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I don't like the change to cable, but maybe that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: is the direction they go in order to get the
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: ad revenue that they want.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we heard, I know when cable was
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: closing up. Everybody was like, oh, like, yes, they make
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: bukuos up money, but the cable programs get most of
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: that money. Yeah, And then so that's why everybody went streaming.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: But everybody knew streaming was not gonna get you the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: same amount of money. And it's clear because the cost
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: of streaming services just keeps climbing.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well see last thing on our news docket, Uh,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: George Lucas has well, well we said that you were
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: gonna lean us into this one, so go ahead and and.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: There so.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Hang on, Sorry I had to pull it back up
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: because okay, So Chris Castellani uh did an interview was
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: with prequel trilogy Star Wars stunt coordinator Nick Gilliard and
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: h Gilliard revealed a lot of exciting, never before heard
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: details about the prequel trilogy. This interview was coagulated into
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: text because it's a YouTube interview, but it was done
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: by the Hollo Files, so you can go check it
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: out there. But the stunt coordinator revealed that George Lucas
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: filmed so much footage for the prequels that there are
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: three more movies in footage left on the cutting room
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: floor across the three films.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I need, like I whatever they because I still I
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: don't have that kind of time to do this.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: People.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I know people, people. Every single time I say it,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: people are like, you need to watch it one day,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Like just one day, just watch all three, the extended
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: versions of Lord the Rings trilogy. I don't have the time,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: but if you were to tell me, Hey, Clay, they
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: have now made three extended versions of episode one, two,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and three. I'm calling in from work, like I am
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: watching those movies because it's it's it's great to think about.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: For one, we have been able to experience some of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: what people speculate or in these films through the books
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: that we've been reading. So you know, people are like,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: was there more like Padawan Kenobi? It's like, oh, well,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: we've had like three books of that already, so we've
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: got to experience a little bit of that. And the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan Kenobi, well we have
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: brotherhood for that. So, like we there are things out there,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: but just being able to see it, I think it
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: would be really fun to experience.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And like I it's definitely not going to be like, oh,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: here's three additional movies, like this is additional footage for
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the So, like you said, extended cuts on and I
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: mean this interview basically confirms the rumors that the original
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: cut for Revenge of the Set was over four hours long.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that gets me excited now. I did
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: not like, and again, everybody can go argue at a wall.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I was not a huge fan of the length of
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Zack Snyder's Justice League. I liked Zack Snyder's Justice League,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: but I didn't like the length. Yes Star Wars because
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: of Katie converting me to this religion, I could totally
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: sit down and watch a four hours like I could
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: sit down and watch a four hour like binge of
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Star Wars. He shows I can do one movie like.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, and it's like as long as it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: from home, right, And then the benefit of HBO Max
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: with Zack Snyder's Justice League is you could pause it
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: exactly and taken in our mission to go back. He
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: also revealed information about the iconic battle between Anakin and
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Obi Wan. A version of the scene that was film
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: featured Anakin grabbing obi Wan from the throat, disarming him
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and saying I'm really sorry you have to be killed.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Anakin then proceeded to try to cut Obi Wan's head off,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: a move which was then deflected by obi Wan to
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: cut Anakin's arms off. Gilliard also stated that he and
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the team hated the high ground scene in Revenge of
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: the Sith and that they campaigned as hard as they
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: could to get it changed, but George Lucas was having
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: none of it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: He believes the scene in the final cut with Steven
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Spielberg's idea.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So a little bit of fun video game knowledge and uh,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: spoilers for people who haven't played the Revenge of the
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Sith video game adaptation. Uh, there is a what if
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: version of that ending where Anakin does kill Obi Wan
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: at the end of that game or of that of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: that scene, So that version you do get to see
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: in video game form.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: So it's out there if people want to. I think
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: you can still play it on PC and stuff. I
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if if you can find it on the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: original Xbox and the PlayStation three.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's. It's.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: As soon as you started talking about it, I was like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: holy crap, I've seen that it's it's in a video game.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was really surprised with the and and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't be surprised because we know that George Lucas
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and Steven Spielberg have a very good relationship in Hollywood
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and and they're good film buddies.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: So.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't surprise me. But at the same time, I'm like,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: of all people, Steven Spielberg, Okay, sure, okay, fine, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that was really surprising
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Was the.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Gruesome Jedi temple fight that was revealed to be in
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the original cut of Revende of the Sith. So Gillard
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: played the Jedi Sindreleig in Revenge of the Sith and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: is briefly seen dueling a Hayden Christensen's Anagain Skywalker via hologram.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Of course, this I assume would be the scene. And
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you can even see it in the clip is where
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yoda and Obi Wan are looking at the footage and
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yoda's like, you know, just see it for yourself.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gillard provided new details about the original version
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: of this scene that were filmed, and it can stabs
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: a small girl right through the throat, holds her by
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: it while he grabs another one.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: He says, it is nasty. It was nasty.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that was cut because they didn't want to
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: raided ar cut.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But like, and that's it's so tricky because if
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: you look at the semantics of like what makes a
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: rated R film, as far as like the gore, the blood,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the violence, that dah duh. You can kind of cheat
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: with Star Wars because it's like, oh, it solders everything,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: so it's like, yeah, there's no blood, there's no gore.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It's just very graphic in the sense of like you're
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: you know, just slicing through meats, you know, and that's
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the thing, like it was a child, it's a padawan
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that you're doing this too. So like, I don't know
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: how you get away with that, And I think it's
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: smart for them to cut it. And I would even
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: say if for some reason, George Lucas one day does say, hey,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: we're making these three extended cuts, I don't think you
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: even put it in there.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: No, you don't show that kind of stuff, Like it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: enough that it's insinuated.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I would say, make the scene to the point where
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you have to cut to Obi Wan, because there's a
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: scene where obi Wan like covers his mouth because he's
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: in like like shock that is happening. Yeah, that's where
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: you make the cut to Obi Wan, like right before
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you see the actual stab and then go back to
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the fight and whatever. So I think that you can
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: do a little bit of movie magic to make the
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: scene at least have the weight of it being like
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: holy crap, like we're actually seeing a little bit more
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: than we did in the original version.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, to make it worth it.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't think Disney would put that out
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: because Lucas doesn't own the footage now, so Disney would
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: have to make a choice to do that. But Gilliard
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: also explained that Lucas was involved in every department and
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: making the prequels, from cinematography, visual effects, art direction, fight choreography,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: costume design, sound design, production design, casting and acting and
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: more so, he was incredibly involved. This was a passion
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: project for him. People.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where I have to ask, do we
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: think Baloney is doing this?
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Is he a part of every step?
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: No?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Should he be involved in every step? Because that's something
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: we also didn't talk about the decision. And wasn't it
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: like sometime last week that we saw that he's going.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I know we were talking about it in the in
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: our Star Wars chat.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Where was it? Where was it? Oh?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Shoot, we both me and Snell were going back and
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: forth about the Filony stuff.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go into our second ad break and we'll
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: be right back.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Dave Filoni being uh the goalkeeper of like how everything's
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: supposed to line up and everything. I mean, we've heard
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: about this before, about him being the last man to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, yes this happens, or hey no, this
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So he's definitely the guy in the chair
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: for all things Star Wars, but he's not there at
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: every step, and I think that needs to change. I
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: think if he wants to be the guy in the chair,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: he's got.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: To be there all the time, correct, And like you
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: look at it in people for Marvel. Sorry, y'all had
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: to change position, and now the camera's just freaking out.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: You look at Marvel, and Marvel has all of this
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: stuff to go off of, and yes they're creating new
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: characters or modifying characters, but they still have things to
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: go Okay, this is what Wanda's costume should look like,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and being able to reference that and knock up different versions.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Where Star Wars doesn't have a lot of visual interpretation,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of written interpretation. So costume designers need
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit of help. I wouldn't say being involved
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: in like, oh, this is how this Twilight should dress,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: but like looking at the design and going okay, yes
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: that passes, like yeah, but not like, hey, let's pick
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: out every single piece of clothing. Like, yeah, we know
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Lucas very much wanted to make the Prequels as a
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: passion project, and that's what he did, and there's not
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a problem with that. But I think they're two different people,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: and Felony's involved in way too much nowadays to go, hey,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: let's get down into the nitty gritty and be involved
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: in every decision. Yeah, like that's just not something one
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: person can do.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. But yeah, that seems to be.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: It for the news.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: And now is our aftermath.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Review after Math Life Debt.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, Aftermath Life Debt. I was typing the title of
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: this live stream and by the way, guys, I'm running
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: off of forty five minutes of sleep. I did not
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: sleep very well last night, and I will and I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: was just typing along and then I looked and I
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: typed in after Life Math Debt and I'm like, hold on,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And I had to look at it for a while,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Was like, this isn't right.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Backspace backspace, backspace after Math Life Debt. Okay, So, guys,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Katie and I when we we it's been a while
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: since we finished this book. Already we were talking and
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: we're like, is.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: This any better than what we read on the Like,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And I will say this, I think that Chuck wen
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Digg took criticism.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: He's he had to.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I think he saw criticism of the first book, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: he was like, how do I fix this?
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I'll take a part of the hero
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: trio and put it as a selling point of this book.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And boom, Han Solo, Huwbacca, Princess Leah being actual somewhat
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: more of a vocal piece of this.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: So I hate to break it to you. I don't
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: think he took any fan criticism.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Oh no. I I was giving him the benefit of
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the doubt by saying those moments were okay, but the
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: book overall, Katie, I was reading the Wikipedia today and
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't remember any of this because I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: don't care about this book. Like it's it's so, it's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: so rough, it is so the first book.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Sorry guys, again, trying to make things work. So the
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: first book was published in September of twenty fifteen. This
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: book was published July of twenty sixteen, so it was
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: already off to the printers.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: It was already in production while the first one was out.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I think this one is
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: slightly better simply because we don't have to play introduce
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: the character.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that is something that it does very
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: very well.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: And I will say this.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Personally, I think that oh gosh, I forgot his name
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: when we first did the first review, Sinjiir.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, the idea.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Love to say sinears character growth from the first one
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: to this one is massive in the sense of in
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: the first one we see him like he has a
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: little bit of a backbone, but like he's still like
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: very skittish and he's like, ah, like I don't know
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: what to do here. He's like stabbing people in the
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: back and like he's like killing people and like holy crap,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: like he was doing some dark stuff and I was like, oh,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: like I can get behind this cool. I get that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: it's everything around it that is not so great, Like
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: and again you have you have people like and I
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: say people ironically, mister bones. He's a character that I
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: think like he's just one of those characters that every
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Star Wars book needs to have that's like, Hey, where's
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the quirky droid that everybody's gonna fall in love with Oh,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: that's mister Bones. Like, that's just every Star Wars project.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: It's it's every Star Wars project. You're gonna find a
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: quirky whether he's verbal or non verbal droid, You're gonna
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: find a quirky droid in a Star Wars project. It's
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: just it's the number one role. And I do I
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: really love mister Bones because he is the comic relief
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: when you didn't need comic relief, and it's there. But
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: also he has some really badass moments sometimes. My question
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: to you is there is one moment that should have
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: been a huge plot twist that we all saw mile away,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: or at least I would hope people saw this a
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: mile away because I immediately I'm like, Nope, don't believe it.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I something's gonna happen, and I think I know what's
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: gonna happen.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: We see the husband, yes, of of no, no, and
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: of course her son and they we learned very early
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: on in the in the last book.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: That he was missing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: He was.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: We didn't know.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: If he was captured or what in all of these
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: different things. We get that answer here and he gets saved.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: I need to know, Katie.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I know, and I won't judge you for it if
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: it did surprise you, because it's like, okay, yeah, cool,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: The scene kind of showed it like coming. But how
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: did How did.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: You feel about the scene where we see Nora's husband
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: turn on the Republic.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: I definitely saw it coming. I knew it was going
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: to happen, because again, I've read the Wikipedia pages before
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: to kind of give myself the story because I was
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: having so many issues getting through Aftermath itself, so I
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: knew it was coming. But it was very obvious from
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the fact that when we were talking like on Kashik
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: and Han was like, oh, they have chips so they
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: can control the wookies and like do things and everything.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: And then it's like okay, and then all these prisoners
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: managed to get picked up from I think it was
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Kashik and Norris husband his muggam, and I was like, yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: But I've also read the x Wing series, which the
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: x Wing series does something very very similar, very similar,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: uh where the Lusanka with iceard uh yasan i Sard.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: She does not used chips. She torments her captives and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: basically makes them secret agents where they can then be
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: activated and then they go and kill their target basically,
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: so it was something very similar. I felt like where
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: when Dig was basically like, Okay, what can I do
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: here to kind of draw up this tension and make
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: this kind of work. So it was very obvious. I
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: felt like, especially if you've read the X Wing series,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: but also you haven't read the x Wing series and
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: you were like, oh, this is very obvious.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what did.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: You think about Galias Rax because he is a prominent
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: figure in the comic series that started up this week,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Ras Racks.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Rax is the fleet admiral who is secretly controlling Sloan,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: even though Sloan is technically in charge of.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I I dug more than I thought I would.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And I think this is more so just because she
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: has been such an interesting character since we've read her
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: in other stories as well. I really like Sloan, and
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I think that every story attached to her does intrigue
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: me a little bit more.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: So to see where she ends up is my big thing.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And with the reveal that like, because there's this whole
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: talk of like, oh, a secret counsel and we're gonna
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: do this, and oh, Sloan if you don't make the choice,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: then I'm gonna make the choice, and we're gonna rule
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: the galaxy without you. And we have seen time and
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: time again in the first one as well as this
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: aftermath sequel.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: The amount of.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Just despicable, toxic masculinity towards Sloan. Now again, guys, we
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: understand they are the bad guys, and so of course,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: like it's like, oh, what are bad guys supposed to be?
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: But like we we also know that everybody in the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Empire is always trying to one up each other because
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: it was ingrained in them, like, hey, you need to
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: be better than your superiors, so that way Palpatine can
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: see you as who you are and you get promoted
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: and all.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Of these other things.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Palpatine's dead, Like like, people like you don't have
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: to do this anymore. You can be a actual functioning
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: military and quite possibly take over the Republic, but you're
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: so fixated on like stepping on everybody else's toes. That's
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: what I hate the most about the Empire, by the way,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: in every aspect of whether it be the video games,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: whether it be these novels, or even in the Legends novels,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: it always happens.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: But here I I dug this.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I did like the idea of like there was a
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: puppeteer the entire time, you know.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really dug that.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: I do too, especially as it kind of leads into
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Palpatine like secret on Exigal, like the Final Empire kind
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: of thing. I think that makes a bunch of sense
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: to include that. Obviously at this point Wyndy did not
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: know kind of final plans, but he knew like, okay,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: like we have a first order and we've got to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: get there somehow. So I think that connection makes sense
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: in the grand scheme of things. Uh. One of the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: problems that I had with this was because it's mentioned
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: quite a few times as kind of like a joke element.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like, but the breeding program yeah mm hmm,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Like clearly it doesn't work out because they have to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: go kidnap kids across the galaxy to fill in their
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: stormtrooper roles. Yeah, I just don't think it plays well
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: long term. It's also really weird, like.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I it was, I I I I don't have an
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: opinion on it because again, like you said, it was
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a joke, a little bit of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: a meme, especially for us that like know the story
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: and it's not just somebody who is just like picking
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: up this book and like oh what is this?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Like I.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Where else do you go with it? Though?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's my my question to you is like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: if like you know what I mean, like, what other
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: story element would you throw in there?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Personally?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I know, like you take up like recruiting something, but like, hey,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: like let's encourage everybody to have kids and like literally
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: call it a breathing program. Like it's just a little weird.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, it sounds very cultish. I was gonna say,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: considering the political climate that we're in, it's kind of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: hitting really close to home. So it's it's definitely a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: very off putting thing. But you also have to remember
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: this is is a like secret empire that's not so secret,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: so they can't just be like, hey, we're recruiting.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so of course they had to just be like, hey,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. Everybody's gonna have kids and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be the next greatest army for the empire.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Like it's again, like you said, very cultish, very weird,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: and like I said, very close to home right now.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: And it's very, very awkward. I'm trying to think of, So,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: how did you feel about the story of han Leia
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: and Chewye this idea that like, for me, like the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: very beginning, I was just like, this is kind of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: stupid because like han is like I have to go
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: say Chewy. I'm like, okay, yeah, he's your best friend,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: like that, okay, but when he when Leah's trying to argue, like,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: we can get the entire republic to help you, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: he's like, no, I gave up my commission. I'm no
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: longer a part of the Republic. I'm a smuggler again.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: And he does state it's because they've already argued with
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: the Republic and mon Mathma doesn't want to go after him.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: This is the problem with kind of like a peaceful
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: mindset of oh, we just rebelled, but we want a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: republic of peace, so we're going to dismantle our entire
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: army and not approve anything and unless we're attacked first,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Like that's basically the stance mon Mathma takes. But you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: can't do that because and I like the tagline with
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: the comic that's kind of coming up, a war is
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: not one a war is one in stages, like it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: is not just oh, this is the final battle, Like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: the final battle takes years. Yeah, and it's something that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: and I know, like Wndick ultimately was trying to hit
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: on the points of, hey, this Republic's gonna fail and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: this is why it's gonna fail. But you would also think, hey,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: let's learn from Star Wars Legends, where it took twenty
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: years for the Republic for the new Republic in the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Empire to come to terms and finally resolve the war.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Like I think there was maybe a little bit better
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: way to go about doing it than just like, oh, yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: we're going to cut all funding to defense mechanisms and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: like as soon as we can, we're going to wrap
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: this up.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: And that's why, like I do like the end because technically, guys,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: you still have to remember this is canon, Like you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: have to look at it as something that is not
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Legends at all. This is literally leading up to what
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: we know of as the sequel trilogy. But you look
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: at this book and then look at something like Princess
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: and the Scoundrel, you know, and the protocols that they
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: went through, and how okay, yeah, it's you know, about
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: them being on a honeymoon, but also there's this mission
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: that could very well be you know, we see a
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: completely different side of mon Mathma not so very far
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: apart technically.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so it's like, and I do like the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: pregnancy moments we get with Leah. It's kind of cool
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: to get to see her interappt with Ben through the forest,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: like especially meditating with that plant from indoor. I think
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: it's just some really special moments that kind of show like, hey,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: this is what can happen in a galaxy far far away,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: And like, ideally that's what I like to think happened
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: with Mark because like I felt like she was a
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: girl from the start. So it kind of like drew
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: up happy memories with that.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: And I really dug it too, because you know, we
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: have people who stand the hell out of freaking Ben Solo,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: like even our one and only Travis, Like he wants
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: all the Ben Solo stuff. He doesn't want the Kylo
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Rinz stuff. He wants the Ben Solo stuff. So like
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  Speaker 2: seeing that this is technically a part of Cannon, I
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  Speaker 2: think is a very fun moment in a very special
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  Speaker 2: moment for sure, And I hope that we do get
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  Speaker 2: to see some of this stuff in you know what
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  Speaker 2: will be Well, you said it started today the Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars comic yep.
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  Speaker 3: And I do want to clarify, So the chips that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: are within the Lookies and the prisoners are all technically
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  Speaker 3: called inhibitor chips. So it's kind of a good connection
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: between the clones chips, Like, Hey, we learned something from this,
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  Speaker 3: so let's use it in other places. So that's a
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  Speaker 3: good connection to make. Yeah, But ultimately, like and I'm
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: scrolling all my phone through this summer here because again
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: it's been a while since we read this. Yeah, And ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: I just think this series stuffers from first book in
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: a new series basically, like that's what it's suffering from.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: It's got all this room to play with, but it
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: also has the parameters of meeting the Force awakens well.
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  Speaker 2: And also something that I wanted to talk to you
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  Speaker 2: about because we've seen books that take place now technically
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: before for even this, and they decide to go back
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: like and when I say recently, I'm talking about Adam
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  Speaker 2: Christopher uh Shadow the.
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  Speaker 3: Sith, And we're about to jump into our third ad y'all.
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  Speaker 3: We promise we'll be right back we promise.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: And prinstance in the Scoundrel and again dealing with our
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: three heroes. And I wonder if it was because something
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: like this. You you take this book and you're like, Okay,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: we're dealing with a whole ragtag group of characters that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: just aren't connecting with the readers. And I think it's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: it's a shame for sure, but also like maybe the
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  Speaker 2: lesson was learned. It's like, hey, let's actually tell these
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  Speaker 2: stories with the characters that we only technically only stayed
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  Speaker 2: with for a couple of hours in this film. We
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  Speaker 2: can expand on some of their journeys after the movie,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's very important, Like I genuinely do,
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  Speaker 2: But you have to.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a very.
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  Speaker 2: Fine line of where you can throw because I haven't
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  Speaker 2: read any of the Alphabet Squadron and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: So those books, from what I hear from you, are
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  Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. I don't know what the other reception is
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: from that, but I'm sure it doesn't have on solo Luke,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Skywalker and Princess Leah all the damn time.
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  Speaker 3: Right, No, I don't think they're mentioned all. Harrer is
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: the only kind of other character in those books.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm I'm very interested in I would like
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  Speaker 2: to be the fly on I would have liked to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: be the fly on the wall at the publishing building
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  Speaker 2: when they decide when they decided, Hey, this route isn't
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  Speaker 2: really working out, let's try something else. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what it is because, like we said, Sinjar is
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: a character that has grown, like we've seen the development there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it is like uh, I personally
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: don't like the big burly dude. What's his name, freaking
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Jason John Burrell?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Is it.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: John Burrell, the one that loses his side?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I don't like him. I don't like him either.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's grown at all. But we also
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: didn't really know him that much in the first book
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: because he's kind of introduced towards the end.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Jazz has grown at all. Like other than like the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: small little like oh we'll take a credit as like
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: our I don't feel like she gets a ton of
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  Speaker 3: time to like showcase that growth. Sindri gets a lot
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: of time tim and I enjoy getting to know him more. Norah,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like, is another character where she feels like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: she's the main character of this book of this series rather,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: and she's left, by the way said, because she's split
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: between like, oh, I'm falling in love with Wedge my
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: husband like kind of accepted my husband must be dead.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, but my husband is here. And then we
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: kind of skip a month and then like the chaos
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: happens where he shoots my Makma and stuff.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: Like yeah, I'm also gonna say, wait, just a little
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: bit of a ladies man, Like yes, in in here
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: and in Legends books he is just like, which is
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: what I like? Did they somewhat insinuate that the Legends
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: book was.
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  Speaker 2: Was actually like canon? I don't think so, okay, because
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I could have sworn that, Like they mentioned something about
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: him falling in love with uh, what's your name? Who
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: did the in the Jedi Academy? Okay, I not by name,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: but I thought they like insinuated that he had fallen
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: in love before, and I was like it might have.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: Been an indirect mention where they were like, oh, you
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: fell in love with the doctor.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I don't okay, yeah, because again this book is very forgettable.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Like, and again, guys, we talk about how we want
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: to be truthful in these stories and with our reviews,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: and this is one that just isn't catching us like
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: it probably should have. And we have one more and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: then we will of course be reviewing the comic by
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  Speaker 2: the volume.
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  Speaker 4: We will wait until all of them are u.
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  Speaker 3: Which I think is going to be February.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll, it'll, it'll be fairly soon because I think
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: I did see that they were already gearing up for
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: like advertisements for for the solicits and stuff, so uh so, yeah,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: so we'll get to it soon enough. It's it's something
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: that is on our list of like, hey, we need
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: to get through this because it's it's it's a part
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: of history in the Star Wars timeline that we haven't
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: seen yet, and I think that's going to be very
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: exciting for sure.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, but y'all, I think we've I know, this was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: a very short review, but again, we don't have a
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: lot of good things to say, and we don't like
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: dwelling on things we don't like.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, but guys, you can always find
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• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: I am just making some Marvel Snap content talking about
• 1:14:20
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• 1:14:30
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• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I think it was just decided off the side. Here
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to Travis on the Geek Versus discord. Apparently
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: there are seven Powering your parody movies on to be that.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, I am so tired, you know how like you
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  Speaker 2: like stay in the water too long and your eyes
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: just feel like they are so like just swollen. That's
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: how I feel right now. I need to get some sleep,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: but I still have three podcasts to edit after this yay.
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  Speaker 3: Uh did you never edit Mace one?
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  Speaker 2: I forgot, so I get to edit that one as
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  Speaker 3: We recorded that a week and a half early, y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and y'all, remember, after listen to this episode, you
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  Speaker 3: one Do the Glass Abyss review. That review is out
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  Speaker 3: at the same time as this episode. The book is
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: not out until October fifteenth, the embargo is up. However,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: I think we did a really good job sticking away
• 1:18:09
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  Speaker 3: of course, if you're like I need to read the
• 1:18:24
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• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: do that first, as the camera just swoops around. Next week, y'all,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: we will be here for our Tears of the Nameless review,
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