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Guest Hypnotist Cormac Colleran on Results Focussed Hypnosis · The Hypnotist

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Hi, it's Adam here. And on today's episode of The
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Hypnotist, it's not going to be me being your hypnotist.
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I have a guest hypnotist. I'm joined joined by Cormac
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Coleran, who is our guest hypnotist all the way from
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Ireland today. So welcome to the show.
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Great. To be here here, Adam.
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Amazing to have you here. We're both speaking at the Irish
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Hypnotherapy Conference in Dublin.
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We'll, we'll touch on that later in terms of what you're talking
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on, but I'm always fascinated to hear how other hypnotherapists
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became a hypnotist, got into the world of hypnotherapy.
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So what was it for you that kind of led you into this very niche
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industry? So I guess when I look back,
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I've always had a great curiosity and in into psychology
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and human behaviour. I didn't follow that route
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initially. I went through business, uh,
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when I studied and I actually found myself working in the
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Pharmaceutical industry, pharmaceutical and medical
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device. And umm, I worked in quality,
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quality of processes and production processes.
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And umm, in a, a term that's big in that industry is continuous
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improvement. And I suppose I might say that I
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went from continuous improvement of processes into continuous
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improvement of people. And I certainly say I prefer
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working with people now than processes.
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Umm, I probably around, about kind of 15 years ago, I left a
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job in, in Pfizer, one of the big pharmaceuticals in Dublin
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and I started to do coaching. So I did my diploma in coaching
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and I started working in coaching working, I worked in
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coaching and training. And initially I was training,
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umm, uh, like business people and I was running start your own
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business programs through a recession here and helping
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people to, to get on their toes. And always like my feedback was
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wonderful because I focused on the business person and I
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focused on psychology. And what led me then towards
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hypnotherapy, It kind of came via when I was doing my
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coaching, I was learning a little bit about NLP and I, I
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suppose I was working with clients and you, you would think
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you've done some great sessions and you have done, you've set
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your goals, set milestones, identified obstacles, how we're
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going to get around them. And what I've begun to notice
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sometimes with clients was there was inertia.
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And I wondered, like, you know, some of these were, were, were
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highly motivated people and they still weren't doing the things
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that they needed to do. And so that led me to asking
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questions about, OK, what kind of mental blocks are here?
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That led me then to understanding, becoming curious
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about the unconscious mind. And so then I started to learn
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hypnotherapy. And I started to learn
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hypnotherapy initially to become a better coach and without
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necessarily setting out to become a full time
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hypnotherapist. That's the way things went.
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So I started using hypnotherapy with coaching clients.
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People started asking me can I help them with this and help
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them with this. And I kind of caught the bull
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guy, I suppose. And it happens, it happens.
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Mine was a similar kind of thing.
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I was originally as a, as a child, a teenager, I saw a few
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stage hypnosis things and that kind of drew me in.
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But it was actually learning a lot about NLP and the early
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Bandler stuff and then then modelling Milton Erickson.
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And then you read some of the transcripts of Milton Erickson's
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kind of hypnosis and it's just for me that looked magical.
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It was kind of like, wow, how do you, how do you do that kind of
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stuff? And it, and it does draw you in
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because I think there's two fundamental things to it.
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A lot of therapy is slow if you look at counselling, if you look
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at psychodynamic, but hypnotherapy works very fast.
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And I think you sound, you know, in the world of coaching and
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business, you don't have forever to to make a change, you know,
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things have to be done pretty good.
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So was it the breakthroughs that you were helping your coaching
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clients with hypnosis that became a convincer for you to do
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more hypnosis? Yeah, I guess you could say so.
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And you know, you mentioned the thing there about speed, the
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the, the type of transformations that people can experience just
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from a single session with you have this powerful experience
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and you know it, it was nearly the, the feedback that was
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coming back in from clients that was getting me thinking, you
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know what, there's something big in this.
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And so, so especially like when you get to understanding, OK,
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there's, there's something other than the normal conscious
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thinking that's, that's getting in the way.
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And what is that? And what's the, so I started
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becoming really interested and what's the underlying pattern?
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So we say, obviously we, we all, everyone listening here will
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have heard the issue is never the issue.
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And So what is the issue? What's the underlying driver?
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So when I began to realise and put it together that the
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subconscious mind, it only does things that it thinks it's doing
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for us, it wants to do things for us.
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And so I talk a lot about intention versus strategy.
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So the intention behind an unwanted habit or thought or
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behaviour or an emotion, the intention may very well have
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been positive by the unconscious mind when it's set it up, If I
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find myself biting my fingernails all the time, it
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started at some point, most likely in childhood.
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The intention in that moment of biting the fingernail may have
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been a positive. So maybe you're squabbling with
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your brother or sister and, and mum and dad says don't, don't
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hit your brother and your brother hates you and you don't
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want to hit back because you're going to get in trouble.
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So you put your hand in your mouth and you do that with
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frustration. The intention of the
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subconscious mind was to protect you from getting disapproval
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from a parent. The strategy was to bite the
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fingernails. We can look at it with all sorts
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of habits, addictions, behaviors, anxieties.
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The intention might be protection, but the strategy
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doesn't actually create that. So we look at intention versus
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strategy. And, and sometimes that,
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sometimes that that intention is, is re.
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It's lifesaving. I remember working with a client
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who had a suspected heart attack helped him to start losing
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weight and then he gained it again.
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But the reason and and I did some idiomotor response is to
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figure out why. Why was he starting to eat all
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the foods that nearly killed him?
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And it's because he got into a relationship when he was slim
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and he's unconscious because those relationships ended very
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badly. Was trying to protect him
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because he'd got this belief system that if he was slim, it
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would be inevitable that he'd be back in a toxic relationship.
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So the eating that could lead to a heart attack was trying to
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protect him from emotional damage in a, in a, in a, in a
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strange way. And and you're absolutely right,
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it's kind of positive intention, but the strategy isn't the ideal
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strategy for that particular problem.
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And, you know, you talk about a heart attack.
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I, I, I do remember an earlier story of a client who again, a
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business client who, you know, wanted to do well but kept
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sabotaging himself. And what we, we discovered that
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the, the intention was went back to a throwaway statement from
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his mum when he was small, when he said, I'm going to be a
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millionaire, I'm going to own loads of businesses.
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And she said, Oh no, don't do that.
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People like that get heart attacks and just kind of stuck
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in. Yeah, it's a powerful post
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hypnotic suggestion because then sabotaging the business success
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is preventing a possible heart attack in and and a lot of the
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time I think the brain is adding 1 + 1 and coming up with three
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but acting as if it's true. And I think that's that's the
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cause of a lot of underlying issues.
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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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And, and you've been featured a lot in the in the media
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recently, particularly in, in Ireland, but on TV and the like
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for your work in in addictions. And imagine that works in a very
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similar way, that there is a positive intention, but the
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strategy is whatever the addictive substance is and and
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that causes the issue. And it's, it's very useful, I
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feel for a client to hear that, to hear that, umm, the intention
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of that part of you. So, uh, a lot of work I've been
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doing has been cocaine addiction.
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The intention of that part of the, the, the, the user, umm,
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it's, it's, ultimately it's to change a feeling.
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And so when they understand that the intention is positive, just
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the strategy that the unconscious mind is using to
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change that feeling is a very poor strategy.
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It's a raw deal. It, it, it's the very same thing
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like a phobia, though the intention is so that something
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happened when they were young and the subconscious mind writes
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a a code into the brain and says whenever something like this
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happens or these, these conditions are the same again,
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I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know that
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by giving you tremendous fear, I'm going to wrap up your heart
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rate. I'm going to shallow your
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breathing. I'm going to make you tremble.
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I'm going to give you a message that you cannot ignore.
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And so when they understand that the subconscious mind should do
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that if there is a genuine threat and it feels that that's
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a genuine threat and all we need to do is let it know that this
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isn't a genuine threat. Thanks for looking after the
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climb. Thanks for looking after me, but
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but I don't need it like this anymore.
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I'm a grown person now. I don't need to be saved from
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people judging me if I'm standing up to speak.
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So with regards to the cocaine addiction, it's very useful for
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someone because there's a lot of shame with it.
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So there's secrecy with it. There's a lot of damaged
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relationships, damaged families, damaged lives.
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It it's useful for them to know that they're not all bad, that
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the the part of them that's striving to to, to get that
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cocaine, to use that cocaine, it does have a positive intent.
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It's just a strategy is all wrong.
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And I think society doesn't really help because they're
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we're very quick to label drug users as junkies and kind of
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losers. And and and somehow that it's a
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of a character flaw in a lot of cases, but, you know, a lot of
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people that have gone through horrible traumas started taking
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some form of substance. And that doesn't have to be
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drugs. It could be food, you know, it
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could be alcohol, could be, you know, endless amounts of TV to
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escape emotional pain. You know, that's actually a
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really good intention. But when that plays out, leads
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to, you know, sometimes very unhealthy places.
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As we know, the subconscious mind is only ever in the now.
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So it's not thinking, it's just thinking that cigarette right
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now, that line of cocaine right now, It's not actually
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considering the long term. Implication.
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It just wants it's fixed in the moment.
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It's really interesting because there's a paradox sometimes that
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actually the positive intention makes sense when you narrow the
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time frame to the now. But when you zoom out, it
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normally leads to the exact opposite of the positive
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intention it's trying to achieve.
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And the amount of times that I've seen people that, you know,
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might be food, might be drugs, might be alcohol to make them
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feel good. And you're like, well, what's 10
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years of that going to do? How good are you going to feel
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if you've got type 2 diabetes? How good are you going to feel
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if you've got lung cancer? And it's kind of like, oh, and
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then the penny drops and it's kind of like the positive
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intention is actually an illusion.
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It's, it's a, it's a bait and switch in a way.
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The delivery of it is actually taking them to the very thing
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they don't want. Yeah, absolutely.
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And and I like to get my clients to do to consider I, I I use the
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term the real decision that you're here.
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So if someone comes for help with cocaine or someone comes
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for help with with smoking. So most people listen, listening
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here, I'm sure work with smokers.
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I asked them to consider my client, consider the real
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choice. And I say, OK, you are here to
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to quit smoking for sure. But I think you're here for
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something bigger. And in order to take a bit of
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pressure off them. I will also say to them that
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most smokers I work with, they don't desperately want to quit
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smoking, but they do desperately want to avoid the consequences
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of a lifetime of smoking so that if smoking wasn't bad for them,
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maybe they'd continue. And that takes a bit of pressure
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off the client as well because they kind of know you understand
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them a bit. And so then we talk about, well,
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what's the real decision? You are coming here to quit
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something, but you're not really.
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You're coming here to choose something, to gain, something to
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go after something. The real choice you're making
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here is your quality of life and your future, that for you and
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your family and loved ones. And that switch, switch of frame
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can be very useful because now I'm not losing something, I'm
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not giving up something and going after something that's
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important. Well, so I feel that when like
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based on my experience of years working with, with clients with
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addictions, that when we switch, when we reframe it.
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So you're not quitting something.
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I and I always say you are, but you're not just quitting
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something, you're going after something and you can kind of
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see it. Like I think you mentioned
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earlier that, you know, the penny drops and, and, and even
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we'll see the eyes and we see Q's and the eyes that they're,
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they're kind of creating, they're looking to the future
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going, OK, I'm going after something.
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It's nearly a relief that I don't have to give something up.
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It's, it's something different that I'm doing here today.
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And when we then go ahead and attach that to their values and
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their loved ones as something clicks inside.
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Yeah, it's the point, point of threshold, isn't it?
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It's the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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It's it's one because another thing, it's like people assume
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that change is, is a long drawn out process, but the actual
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changing bit happens really, really quick.
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It's getting people to the point of, of that change and, and, and
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you're right, you know, reframing it.
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So it's not like you're going to need all this willpower to, to
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quit smoking, even though it helps when you're stressed and
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anxious and all this kind of stuff.
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It's that it's a choice. It's you know, what kind of
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future do you want to have, You know what, what, what kind of a,
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a role model sometimes you want to be for your children and, and
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things like that. And once you move it to a
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different terrain, it's a lot easier decision to to make.
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We bring them to a place where they make like AI would call it
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a principles decision or principle based decision.
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A an analogy that works very well for your clients is now
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consider a vegetarian that stopped eating meat because they
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watched a documentary one evening.
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They weren't intending to watch it was on and they watched it
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and it was about a, a, a slaughterhouse for for pigs.
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And something happened as they were watching that and they were
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they were a bit shocked. Now, logically they knew that
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our animals are slaughtered and slaughterhouses in order to
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create meat. But once they watched it and got
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emotionally involved, something clicked inside.
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And like you said, that only takes a moment that thing to
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click inside, something clicks inside and they go, oh, I don't
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want anything to do with that. And they make that principal
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decision based on their principles.
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I'm not doing that anymore. That's not for me.
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And you can be sure that person that makes that decision is not
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sneaking a burger on a Saturday night after the pub.
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I said it's not sneaking a a fry on a Saturday morning.
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They've made a principal decision.
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They're not craving meat after that.
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They're happy with it. They're good with it and.
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It's, it's the, it's the important thing, isn't it?
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It's, it's the meaning linked to the thing.
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Because people that have never smoked and never would smoke
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would look at the cigarette and say, why would I spend money to
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give myself illnesses and carcinogens and make myself sick
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in the future and coughing up blood for them?
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It's all negative connotations, but for a smoker, that's
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emotional release, that's a reward that they've just got
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different connotations connected to it.
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And you're right, meat eaters, you know, burgers, a tasty bit
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of food. But for someone that's made that
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principal decision, it's, you know, there's that lots of
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vegans, we use the phrase meat is murder.
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And, and if you frame it in that way, it's kind of like, well,
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nobody wants to be complicit to murder.
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It's the, it's the connotation and the meaning that you give to
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it, which I think is really powerful.
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We're framing it. You've created a, a protocol, a
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particular process that works with lots of different things.
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Tell us a bit about your protocol and where it came about
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from. So the I can protocol with with
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2A's and the I can was just to denote the the stages.
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So we start with the and induction.
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And. So it, it brings them through a,
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a corridor of transformation and there's, we use the cataleptic
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arm movement and we use amnesium.
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We use a few different, a few different things to bring
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someone from the problem state to a solution.
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And the idea is that we're getting the unconscious mind to
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get rid of everything to do with that problem.
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Again, I look for what's the underlying pattern.
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So something like smoking. So smoking is as you know, it's
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very, it's, it's quite an unconscious thing.
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Someone takes out the, the, the packet, they light the
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cigarette, they do it, they've finished a meal, they do it
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automatically. They've got 5 minutes to go
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before they have to go in for a meeting.
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They do it automatically. They sit in the car, they do it
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automatically. They pass a certain place on
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their commute to work. They do it automatically.
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And what we're looking at is that that pattern.
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So it's linked to certain things.
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It's linked to emotions, situations, places, people,
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thoughts. But a client would be able to
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tell us most of their triggers, but there's a lot that they're
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not going to be able to tell us. But what we know is that the
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unconscious mind knows them because it responds to them
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every time they light a cigarette.
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So this is a real trust in the unconscious.
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I was saying to the unconscious, giving the unconscious job,
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unconscious mind a job to go inside and to clear out and
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clean out all of the links, all of the associations, everything
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to do with that offending behavior, habit or emotion.
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Umm, and we suggest. A.
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A form of amnesia around us so that in the times that they used
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to remember to do it, now they remember to forget to do it.
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Umm, so it evolved for me over, I suppose, close on, close on 15
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years of, of, of practice. And as most therapists will
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understand, you're you're in your own office, you're seeing
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your own clients, you're working away, doing your own thing.
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You go and you update your training and skills and go to
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conferences and different trainings here and there.
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But by and large, you're by yourself in your clinic, working
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away. And I suppose what I realized
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was based on lots of different influences I've had over the
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years, I found myself settling in in a way of working that I
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hadn't necessarily set out to create, but I found myself
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settling in on a way of working that worked well for clients.
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And that, I mean, I, I've got the hundreds of five star
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reviews online from the kind of work that I do.
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Uh, it works very well with clients.
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And I, I guess I then decided I needed to, to codify it.
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And I suppose through maybe my past and kind of quality and
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documentation, umm, I hope I was able to, to codify it
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essentially and break it into steps so that it is easy to
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learn and easy to follow. And it's something Adam, that I
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now use with probably every client that comes to see me.
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Umm, and it's that idea spoke of, of identifying what's the
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underlying pattern that's causing this behavior?
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What's the underlying pattern that's causing these emotions or
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feelings and going after that and asking the unconscious mind
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to go in and release that pattern, to release everything,
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to do that. And we give it different
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metaphors and we give ways to do that.
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And we attach it to an arm in the air and the arm begins to
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lower itself as the work is happening and we coach our
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client and how that's going to happen.
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And like I, I mentioned earlier, the the arm in the air itself is
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a wonderful convincer for your clients.
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As we know, they're not always sure that what kind of level of
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trance they were in. But when something like that,
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when we create a hypnotic phenomena for them to that's
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unusual for them, it works as a great convincer for them also.
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Absolutely. So talk us through the letters
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because I'm imagining it's a it's an acronym.
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So I'm guessing I is induction. The C is catalepsy.
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Is it? So C is for the corridor,
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corridor transformation. And I guess, you know, I, I
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played around with ID can to, you know, or the deepener, they
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do put a deepener in there, but I, you know, I can sell a little
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bit better, I think. So there's the induction and we
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bunch the induction deeper together.
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There's a corridor of transformation and this is where
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they arrived. So most therapists again,
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listening will understand if they don't use it already, I'm
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sure they have at some point the staircase deepener.
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And it's quite a simple one for our clients to follow.
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And I help them emerge, then I suggest they emerge into a
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corridor of transformation. We always say it like that.
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And as you know, the unconscious mind will pick up both the if
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there's an ambiguity, picks up both meanings and and and you
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know, we we can play with words about, you know, when you're
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while you're forming trance, you're transforming, and this is
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the time where you're transforming is happening.
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Now. I always get them to imagine
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that there are screens along the corridor and these screens were
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going to future pace what they're going to be like.
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So a smoker, it might be seeing yourself tomorrow totally
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relaxed, really content. And, and I'll get them to hone
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in, like really hone in on, on how do you know for sure?
24:58
What, what, what is it about you there that lets you know that
25:01
you're really content? And we can, we can have them
25:06
watch screens of tomorrow, next week, next month, next year.
25:11
So it's a nice way of building that expectation.
25:14
We tell them the corridor is going to lead them to a new
25:18
chapter in their lives, but we we frustrate the response.
25:22
We don't, we don't let it happen just yet.
25:24
So we'll use the word, let's say soon, but not yet.
25:28
And during that time we're, we're, we're future pacing and
25:33
creating visualization. That's the corridor.
25:36
The A then we'll stand for the arm.
25:39
And so we attach the, the arm. I'll take the person's arm and
25:43
lift it up like that and we'll leave it there and sometimes,
25:49
you know, sometimes it'll flop back down straight away, but
25:52
we've got to just get it into that position there.
25:55
You will see. You will have seen you mentioned
25:57
Milton Erickson earlier. He uses a lot of that as well.
26:01
Cataleptic arm. So there's the arm and that's
26:04
attached to work. It helps isolate the unconscious
26:07
mind to do some work specifically for them where we
26:09
can take the pressure off the client and say there's nothing
26:12
you need to do now. You sit back, relax and trust
26:15
your unconscious. And this is what's going to
26:18
happen now. WH when when that is done, I, I,
26:22
the next a is for amnesia. So we're suggesting that they
26:27
can forget that old pattern. And you know, I, I typically in
26:33
the pre talk, I'll, I'll suggest to them what forgetting means.
26:37
And they'll say, you know, when you've forgotten something, but
26:38
it's so forgotten that you've even forgotten you've forgotten.
26:41
Someone tells you they're like, Oh my God, how did I forget
26:44
that? So showing them that we can do
26:47
this, that it's something that we do all the time, that
26:50
forgetting is a normal part of the human experience.
26:54
And so we pace amnesia, we pace forgetting and umm, and suggest
27:03
that to them. So they forget.
27:05
And the end then is for the new chapter in their lives.
27:10
So they'll come to the end of the corridor and we'll get them
27:13
to proudly March out into this new chapter in their lives.
27:17
And there we can create all sorts of trances of infinite
27:20
possibilities for them. And we're future pacing again
27:25
and we're congratulating and we're building and we're, we're
27:29
getting them to step into that new self and identify with it.
27:34
And it's very powerful. Umm, the very powerful process
27:38
that we can use for addictions, we can use for phobias, we can
27:44
use for emotional eating, stepping out of that pattern.
27:49
We can use for anxieties, we can use for someone comes to you for
27:57
public speaking fears. Again, it's stepping out of that
28:00
essentially, and the mind likes the idea that the symbolism of
28:04
the corridor is kind of going from 1 space through a change
28:08
and emerging out into another. Yeah, I like that.
28:12
Yeah, it's, it's a transition from the old them to the new
28:15
them, a new future paced the change, the process of change
28:20
and then that new future where the change is, is then made.
28:25
I think, I think it's a great, a great way of kind of pacing and
28:28
leading their, their experience. And I'll tell you what's
28:31
interesting about the element of the identity.
28:35
I've worked with a lot of people that have struggled with the,
28:38
the 12 step program that the kind of the what many people
28:43
would regard as kind of like the, the standard when it comes
28:46
to kind of addiction. But I've I've always thought it
28:49
would, it's disempowering from my perspective, looking up from
28:52
the outside in to keep the identity of being an addict or
28:56
an alcoholic even after the change has taken place.
28:59
And quite often these a a meetings will start with my name
29:03
is blah, blah, blah. I'm an alcoholic and I've been
29:05
an alcoholic, You know, it's been however many years since my
29:07
last drink and it's kind of like, but that's associating
29:10
into an identity of someone that's still addicted.
29:14
Not the identity is not putting in the past tense and said, you
29:17
know, I was an alcoholic and I'm I'm free now.
29:20
What's your thoughts on the, on the 12 step program and, and,
29:23
and you know, the good things, but perhaps the limitations of,
29:26
of helping work with with addictions?
29:29
So I I would certainly agree with you there on the identity
29:31
piece and the disempowerment piece.
29:35
I'm very much a believer of empowering our clients.
29:39
I'm very much a believer of being able to step out of the
29:42
old, the old suit of armour, the old skin and stepping into a new
29:47
one, leaving that identity behind and moving on into a new
29:51
identity. Not only that, I think lots of
29:55
our potential clients out there feel the same way.
29:59
They don't resonate with this idea of I have to surrender
30:03
everything to this program. They don't necessarily like that
30:07
they have to go and speak in front of other people.
30:11
Some will get into it, and I do think the element of support can
30:14
be very useful. I work with a lot of people that
30:18
say I don't want to be going there.
30:20
I don't want to be saying things about myself in front of other
30:22
people. I don't want to go on to go to a
30:25
Netweek rehab because I don't feel bad enough or I don't feel
30:29
a need to or I've got too much things going on in my life.
30:32
I can't do that. I think there are serious
30:37
limitations in those approaches. I think that I kind of feel
30:45
they're a bit antiquated as well in terms of like what we now
30:47
know and what we can now achieve.
30:51
We we can work with clients for a few hours and help them create
30:55
a whole new identity and step away from those old problems as
30:59
long as long as there's that will.
31:01
I was working with the young man there.
31:03
Actually I saw him again today and I've worked with him.
31:07
I saw him a few weeks ago for a previous session around cocaine
31:11
and he was taking a lot of cocaine all the time and I saw
31:16
him maybe two or three weeks ago.
31:18
He hasn't had any since I saw him initially, but he was
31:21
telling me that when he this guy did a, an 8 week programme in a
31:28
in a rehab centre, the day after he came out he was taking
31:31
cocaine again. Umm.
31:34
He then went and joined, went to the meetings and he said they'll
31:38
be talking about it so much in the meeting that when he was
31:40
leaving the meeting he was on his phone ringing a dealer to
31:42
get some. Stuff.
31:43
And I think this happens. I, I'm not, I'm not knocking the
31:46
work that they do there and far be it for me to do that.
31:50
Umm, I'm just saying that in my experience, uh, the clients that
31:55
I've listened to have told me that those approaches don't suit
32:01
them. And I think when we can work on
32:07
empowerment and we can work on, you know, I speak to people as
32:11
well about problem focus versus solution focus.
32:15
I like to say, tell someone, OK, we look at where you are now,
32:18
where you want to be and what's the quickest way of getting you
32:21
there. We certainly acknowledge the
32:23
past. We acknowledge that there's
32:25
roots to the problem, but I don't feel in all of these cases
32:30
we need to go back and dig up those routes.
32:33
We have an unconscious mind that knows what they are because it
32:36
responds to them, and we can get that unconscious mind on board.
32:40
It can say, OK, this is the routes I can go and I can clear
32:43
out those routes. I can let all of that go and I
32:46
can move forward. I, I, I agree with you there.
32:51
I think a lot of the time, but particularly the psychodynamic
32:54
and psychoanalytical, you know, kind of modalities have this
33:00
premise that you need to kind of dwell in your misery and, and
33:03
live in the past. And I think again, that that can
33:06
re traumatize or reassociate people.
33:10
And a lot of these things are based on, well, you've got this
33:14
problem, you've got this label, you've got to live with this
33:16
label forever. Rather than, I think it's an
33:20
excellent analogy there. It's kind of like, but that's
33:22
the old you, you know, the moment, to use your analogy, you
33:26
leave the corridor, that's the past, you know, it happened, but
33:29
you're someone else at that particular point, which I think
33:31
is, is way more empowering. We're we're both talking in, in
33:35
Dublin and April at the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference.
33:39
Your topic I'm guessing is your your protocol.
33:42
Yes, it's going to be more specifically around how we're
33:45
going to apply that to dealing with addictions.
33:48
Umm, I will also be showing people how you can apply it to
33:52
deal with pretty much anything. Umm, I won't go so far to say
33:56
100%, but I'd certainly say 99% of clients that I see that go
34:00
through this protocol. Sometimes I don't need to.
34:03
Sometimes, for example, maybe with a PTSD client, if I can, if
34:09
they're aware of the issue, I might just do a rewind technique
34:12
and that's enough for them. But uh, but this can still even
34:16
be used for that. So I will be talking about how
34:19
we use it in addiction. Umm, I will be talking about how
34:23
I use it with cocaine addicts and I will be sharing how you
34:27
can use it for. Pretty much any any unwanted
34:32
thoughts, emotions or behaviors. This transformation protocol.
34:37
The Icon transformation protocol.
34:40
Is very useful. It's, I mean, what I'd say to
34:44
people is it's a great tool, tool to have in your toolbox as
34:47
a therapist. Absolutely, I'll, I'll certainly
34:49
be checking it out. I like 'cause my tools, my
34:51
toolbox as I as I can have. If you're about to do a
34:56
demonstration, a hypnosis experience for us based on this
34:59
idea of either a habit or an addiction that you might want to
35:02
change. But if people are curious to
35:04
learn more about you, Cormac, and, and they want to kind of
35:07
check out your website, check out your business, your, your
35:10
socials or, or anything else, where's the best place they,
35:13
they can find you? So you can get me Dublin
35:16
hypnosisclinic.com, you'll be able to find me there.
35:21
I have Adam in progress and it will be ready before April
35:27
results. focusedhypnosis.com. I have that in progress.
35:33
It's not fully up and running yet and I will have some umm
35:37
training resources there available in the new year.
35:41
Umm, Also on Facebook you can get me my name, Cormac Colleran.
35:46
Perfect. So check out Cormac there.
35:48
And if you're interested in seeing Cormac at the Irish
35:52
Hypnotherapy Conference, the website for that is Irish
35:55
Hypnotherapy Conference dot IE. And if you get tickets nice and
35:59
early, you get a better price. So if you want to see Cormac,
36:02
I'll be there as well. Check us out in Dublin.
36:05
But Cormac, you're about to do a session for us.
36:09
So I'm going to put myself on mute.
36:10
I'm going to think of something I want to change in my life.
36:13
So I'll be going along with this process over to you.
36:17
So great. So what I would like you to do
36:20
is think of something that you would like to change.
36:23
Umm, before we start, I am going to, at some point in the
36:30
session, in order to get the arm movement, I'm going to ask you
36:34
to raise your right arm. And I'd like you to raise it
36:37
just like that the way I'm doing it.
36:39
So when you hear that prompt, just raise your right arm and
36:42
then I'll explain to you everything that we need to do
36:44
exactly like that. Adam, thank you.
36:47
So consider now you can consider anything, whether it's an
36:53
addiction you want to get rid of, whether it's anxious
36:57
thoughts you want to get rid of, whether it's a phobia.
37:01
I am going to do this. Typically I would do it
37:04
specifically towards a certain thing, but for the purposes of
37:08
this podcast, I'm going to do it.
37:11
I'm going to do it as open as I can so that everyone that's
37:13
listening can get some benefit from this.
37:16
Now, I'm not going to bring you through a, a, a long induction.
37:24
I suspect the fact that you're listening to this, you've
37:27
probably already gone into hypnosis.
37:30
You have a good idea of how to go into hypnosis.
37:32
So for the purposes of this, I'm going to do a shorter induction
37:36
so that you can actually really get the benefit of the actual
37:39
protocol. OK, so as you close your eyes
37:46
and settle into your chair, just take a nice big deep breath in,
37:51
filling up those lungs completely.
37:53
Hold that breath for a few moments and notice as you exhale
37:59
how the shoulders can relax and you can give yourself permission
38:05
to relax. Now and begin to let go, because
38:09
maybe you already know how to go into hypnosis.
38:14
You know that you can sit back, relax and go into hypnosis
38:21
easily and effortlessly. And you may already recognise
38:25
what it feels like inside to sit back, relax and let go into
38:34
hypnosis easily and effortlessly as you become aware of the
38:40
rhythm of your breathing and the raising tempo of your breathing,
38:46
Perhaps even the sound of your breathing as you listen inside.
38:50
Because when you focus on your breathing like this now, it can
38:55
allow you to turn your attention inside more deeply now so that
39:00
you can start to really become aware of those signals and
39:04
sensations already occurring throughout your body that just
39:08
lets you know you are relaxing now, deeply and deeply relaxing.
39:14
That's right. Now.
39:18
If you draw your attention to the very top of your head, you
39:21
may become aware of that relaxation moving through the
39:24
scalp and as it flows down over the forward and the eyes really
39:30
begin to feel that calming relaxation.
39:33
Knowing the muscles around the eyes are some of the easiest
39:36
muscles in the whole body to relax the jaw muscles now allow
39:43
them to just release all tension.
39:46
That's right. And as it flows down into the
39:49
neck and shoulders, it flows out into the arms, the hands and the
39:52
fingers. And if you draw your attention
39:54
right out to the tips of those fingers, now I'm not sure, but
39:58
you might just become aware of a sensation out there that allows
40:04
you to relax even deeper. And maybe you've noticed the
40:07
relaxation travelling down your back.
40:10
Or. Maybe you start to become aware
40:13
of it now, as those good feelings all continue now deep
40:18
into the chest, stomach, on into the hips and the legs, upper
40:24
legs, lower legs, feet and toes all relaxing down calmly and
40:31
deeply, deeply and calmly, all the way down, all the way down.
40:37
That's right, because you know now that you can enjoy this
40:43
process of letting go. There are many ways in which you
40:47
can go into hypnosis now, and I just want you to know that
40:51
whatever way that you go into hypnosis now will be perfectly
40:56
fine. You might be aware that it's
40:58
happening, or just as easily you can go into hypnosis now without
41:04
even noticing it happening. It's a bit like that point when
41:07
you just drift off to sleep at night and let go and drift away.
41:11
And we can really deepen this experience now.
41:14
And I'd like you to imagine that you're standing at the top of a
41:17
staircase and you're looking down.
41:20
And some people can visualize this very easily, and other
41:23
people just get a sense for it. I'm going to count from 10 back
41:27
to zero. With each number that I count,
41:30
I'd like you to imagine that you're taking a step down that
41:33
staircase. And with each step that you
41:36
take, you feel yourself relaxing more and more deeply. 10 to 100
41:41
times deeper with every step now from 1098, drifting deeper and
41:49
deeper, 76 and five. That's right, All the way down
41:56
now, all the way down, 432 deep one and 0.
42:09
You could imagine just dropping through the center of that zero
42:14
all the way down or at the bottom of that staircase, you
42:18
find yourself in a corridor of transformation.
42:24
Corridor of transformation is where your transformation
42:29
happens. And as you were forming trans,
42:34
you were transforming on an even deeper level.
42:37
There's nothing you have to try to do now.
42:39
You don't even have to try to listen to my voice now, because
42:44
you're unconscious already, is hearing all of these words and
42:48
it's processing them for you, which means you can drift away
42:52
and my voice will go with you as you do and become aware along
42:56
that corridor of screens, like big screens, like TV screens.
43:02
They might be on one side of the corridor, they might be on both.
43:06
I think I want you to see yourself on one of those screens
43:11
over the coming days, having left that old habit or behaviour
43:19
behind. That habit or behaviour or thing
43:24
that you want to change. Having left it behind, see you
43:27
as you are now, content and happy and relaxed.
43:33
Now this corridor is going to lead you to a new chapter in
43:35
your life where you're free of that old problem completely, and
43:40
it will lead you there, not yet, but very soon.
43:45
Now I want you to notice specifically what it is about
43:47
that you there that lets you know for sure that you've left
43:52
that old problem behind. Maybe it's something that you're
43:56
doing or not doing. Maybe it's a?
44:00
Look in your eyes and expression in your face something that
44:02
you're saying or that you're not saying.
44:05
Notice what it is specifically that lets you know for sure that
44:08
that you there is living in this new chapter free of that all
44:13
doubt. And as you continue along this
44:20
corridor forming trance, right now you are transforming that
44:27
deeper level inside. That's the deep level of your
44:30
unconscious learning now also, and you know this, somewhere
44:36
inside become aware of another screen and another screen, and
44:42
these screens are showing you yourself as time goes by.
44:46
Free of that old habit, I'm completely free of it.
44:51
I haven't left it all in the past.
44:57
Notice what it is about that you there, how you're living your
45:00
life, how you are, how you are being.
45:03
It pleases you and in order to make this transformation and
45:09
this transition a really easy and enjoyable one for you,
45:15
there's an important job I would like your unconscious now to do.
45:20
I would like your unconscious to go inside and to break all links
45:26
and associations to that habit or behaviour to visit all of the
45:31
events. All of the.
45:33
Experiences, the thoughts, the memories, the ones that you
45:36
remember, the ones that you don't, the ones that are
45:37
conscious, the ones that are unconscious, everything to do of
45:41
that unwanted habit pattern of behaviour and to begin to clear
45:46
them out, to break all those links and associations and to
45:49
let them go. Now is the point at which I'd
45:53
like you to raise that right arm and the way we mentioned
45:55
earlier. Raising that right arm and the
45:59
way we mentioned earlier. And Adam, you can raise that arm
46:04
also. Now hearing my voice, Adam and
46:08
you can raise that right arm. And anybody that's listening,
46:16
raising that right arm into that position that we spoke about and
46:20
now going deeper inside. Some people imagine it like
46:27
going into a a tunnel or a cave with a big power washer.
46:32
Washing out, clearing out and cleaning out everything to do
46:35
with that old problem with that right arm in the air.
46:42
Washing out, clearing out, everything to do with that
46:44
problem. That's right.
46:47
And I would like the unconscious now and the unconscious only to
46:50
lower that arm for you only at the rate and speed that it fully
46:56
deletes everything to do with that unwanted.
46:59
Problem. All of the events, all of the
47:02
stories, all of the experiences, everything attached to that
47:08
unwanted problem or behavior or emotion, a pattern of behavior
47:16
to let it all go. And I don't want you to help
47:20
that. Arm.
47:21
Nor do I want you to hinder that arm.
47:23
It will now begin to lower itself all by itself as this is
47:28
happening. Now.
47:29
And there is nothing that you need to do right now.
47:32
You can simply sit back, relax and trust your unconscious now
47:40
as it does this for you. And that arm will take on a life
47:44
of its own out there and will lower itself all by itself.
47:49
And you can be. Aware of that.
47:50
Happening if you wish. Or you can continue to just
47:54
drift away deeper and deeper and deeper because there is nothing
47:59
you need to do. It's like when you pull the plug
48:02
on the baths, the water just drains out of the bath all by
48:06
itself, effortlessly. There's nothing the bath needs
48:08
to do. There's nothing you need to do
48:11
right now. That happens.
48:15
That arm lowers itself all by itself because you are now
48:19
breaking all of those links and associations to that unwanted
48:24
pattern on a deeper level. That's right.
48:28
Feel that happening. Now you're breaking all those
48:31
links and associations on a deeper level.
48:34
That's the deep. Level of your unconscious
48:36
learning now, and you know this, you know this somewhere inside.
48:41
That's right, Breaking all of those links and associations and
48:45
letting go of the unwanted pattern for good, so that it
48:49
disappears, so that it's gone. And I'd like your unconscious
48:54
now to go a step further and to throw a whole blanket of amnesia
48:58
over everything to do with that old pattern, so that you
49:02
remember to forget all about it, to simply forget about it.
49:11
You know how easy it is to forget something you've
49:14
forgotten more than you know, right?
49:17
Forgetting is a normal part of the human experience.
49:20
You could forget a name that someone just told you or a
49:22
number you once knew. There could be details about
49:26
something that were there in the past, and they're gone now.
49:29
Have you ever in your house, gone to your bedroom to get
49:32
something and you know exactly what you're going there for?
49:34
But soon as you go through that door, it's like it's gone.
49:36
It's vanished. It's disappeared clean out of
49:38
your mind. There was something on the tip
49:41
of your tongue in a conversation you're about to sit.
49:43
Next thing, it's gone, vanished. So you're unconscious now.
49:47
Can remember to forget? Forget that old pattern, that
49:50
unwanted behavior, Forget how to do it, when to do it, where to
49:53
do it. Forget it all.
49:56
So you're remembering now to forget what you're forgetting to
49:58
remember and let it go and let it go, and it just becomes a
50:03
thing of the past. Forgotten about it.
50:05
In fact, what you're going to notice is the harder you're
50:07
trying to try to recall what it used to be like, the easier it
50:11
is to forget all about it and let it go.
50:13
The harder you try to recall what it used to be like, the
50:16
easier it is to forget all about it and just happily let it go.
50:23
And that, that corridor, now it's coming to an end.
50:30
And I want you to notice that just up there ahead of you, you
50:33
can see double doors opening for you.
50:36
Written above those doors is the word freedom.
50:39
Before walking through, I want you to contemplate that word
50:42
freedom. Maybe you can already begin to
50:46
feel it inside now. I don't know how you might
50:50
recognise that feeling of freedom in your body right now.
50:54
I don't even know where in your body you can feel that freedom
50:57
growing. All I know is that from this
51:00
point forward it does. And you do feel that freedom
51:03
growing stronger and stronger. And along with that sense of
51:07
freedom, of the sense of acceptance of the decision that
51:10
you've made here today, acceptance of this new identity,
51:16
of this new way of being. Now again, I don't know where
51:21
you can feel that acceptance inside or how you might
51:24
recognise acceptance growing inside of you.
51:28
But I can tell you over the coming days, weeks, months and
51:31
beyond, that sense of freedom and acceptance grows with you
51:35
naturally and effortlessly. You don't even have to try to
51:38
think about it. So imagine now that you are
51:42
walking proudly, confidently, purpose in your stride.
51:46
You're marching through those doors, out of that corridor, out
51:50
into this new chapter in your life.
51:52
See this new chapter in your life.
51:55
Notice how you're becoming the person that you wish to be
51:58
becoming. Begin to notice the benefits
52:01
already coming into your life from being this person.
52:05
Notice the sense of achievement, the sense of pride, confidence.
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You'll notice in this new chapter, you go through your
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days, every day, more and more proud of yourself, more and more
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confident in yourself, calmer inside, more relaxed than you've
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ever been before. Stepping up, stepping in.
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This new chapter has begun. Now you get to.
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Really enjoy it now, in a few moments I'm going to count from
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one up to five, and you know what that means?
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When I get to 5, your eyes are up and the open would have
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smiled. The open with energy, open with
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good feelings. You are now in this new chapter
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in your life. That old chapter is in the past.
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That old you is gone. You've come through this
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corridor of transformation. You have transformed.
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You're in a new place in your life right now.
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You're in a new chapter. Congratulations feel good.
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Inside. Feel strong, feel positive as I
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count you from 1:00 and 2:00 leaving that place, that in
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inner world behind. Three, feeling more energy, good
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feelings, sense of achievement and accomplishment flowing
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through your body and mind. Four nights energy and Five Eyes
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open all the way and feeling wonderful all over and welcome
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back. That was, that was a good, I was
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definitely deep there. That was, that was a great
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little session there. What, what are the things that
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you're calibrating as you're going through that?
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What are you, are you looking for kind of like posture or the
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speed that the hand goes down? What?
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What are you paying attention to?
53:44
Yeah. So I suppose, you know, I
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mentioned there with someone last week, I think it was
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Malcolm Gladwell wrote the book about the 10,000 hours and umm,
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and it's kind of intuitive now when I'm looking at someone umm
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to, to have an idea of like where they are, how receptive
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they are. Umm, and that might be 1 worth
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codifying. But any, any other
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hypnotherapist that spent 10s of thousands of hours in one chair
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looking at someone in another chair, they, they get it
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intuitively. So I'm looking to see that
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they're, they're coming along with me with checking the little
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expression. Sometimes you get to get a
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little smile of kind of approval along the way With regards to
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the arm. The only thing that I, the only
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kind of intervention I do is if it goes down too quickly.
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So sometimes the arm is so dead that it won't stay and you've
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got to use the person's name and you got to say Adam there and
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it'll do it. Not there, not there.
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And and then they get it and it's just locked there.
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And I do look out for, if I feel there's conscious interference
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and the arm just goes down, you can kind of tell.
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And if that happens, well, I want to be respectful.
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So if that happens, I'll put the arm back up and I'll say I'm not
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sure whether that was conscious or unconscious mind.
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So I'm just cutting back there again.
55:15
Sometimes it's ready to go and the, the arm goes down really
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quickly and it's gone. Typically it's two or three
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minutes making its way down. Sometimes it can be 10 minutes
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or more. I always like to attach it.
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Then if it's, if it's a long time coming down, you know, they
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might have thoughts in their own mind.
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My arm isn't moving. Why is it not moving?
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They might have those thoughts. So, so the things that I do take
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the pressure off completely. I don't know if you consciously
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recall the metaphor of the baths of the water draining out, but
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that's to tell them like, you know, there's nothing the bath
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needs to do for the water to drain away.
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There's nothing for you to do for the habit to drain away.
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So we want to take the pressure off them completely and let them
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just be in the situation, be in the moment.
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We're all in that space for them.
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If it's a long time coming down, I will congratulate them on
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having an unconscious mind that's so thorough and that does
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all of that work for them thoroughly.
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If it comes down, uh, quickly, but not too quickly, I'll
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congratulate them on having an unconscious mind that really
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knows what it wants and is going after it.
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And a lot of The thing is taking the pressure off.
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We we, we know from doing kind of trance or different things
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ourselves, like you can feel under pressure and once you're
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told there's nothing you have to do, you can drift away.
56:42
It's a nice permission and it allows us and allows your client
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that space to let happen what needs to happen.
56:51
I really enjoyed it and I think it's it's very, it's a very good
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simple framework because you've got you've got that that kind of
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induction, you've got the deepener.
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You know, there is the, you know, some level the metaphor of
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the corridor, but equally it, it's, it's one of those, again,
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you've got several analogue kind of things in there.
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The distance of the corridor is an analogue.
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The the length of time that the hand goes down is an analogue.
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And that element of where they're going to go at their own
57:18
pace and what they see in the images of their future pacing.
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That's that's what they want their future to be.
57:23
I think it's I think it's a great protocol.
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So I'll definitely be seeing you in in Dublin to learn more about
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that. Remind us again if people want
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to check you out COMAT, where can they go For more
57:33
information? So, umm, you can get me at
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Dublin hypnosisclinic.com. Umm, you can also check out
57:43
Results Focus hypnosis.com. So results Focus Hypnosis is
57:47
more where we have the training materials and the Dublin
57:52
Hypnosis Clinic is my private clinic.
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So if you want to work with Cormac, that's that's where we
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would go. And if you want to learn from
57:58
Cormac, then check out the the other one there.
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Cormac, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the show
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today. Great session there and I will
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see you in Dublin in April. Likewise, Thanks very much,
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Adam. It's been a pleasure.
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Awesome. Take care.
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