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Inside The Birds Week 7 Pregame Show With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles Vs. Minnesota Vikings · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds pregame show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher alongside Adam Kaplan, and as we always do,
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  Speaker 1: we bring in our tape Breakdown Master Greg Cosell to
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  Speaker 1: give us the preview and the tape breakdown on two
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  Speaker 1: teams that are going at it on Sunday in Week seven.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Philadelphia Eagles versus the Minnaesota Vikings and they'll
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  Speaker 1: be playing at us Bank Stadium in Minnesota. So it
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  Speaker 1: is another road game for the Eagles, who have lost
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  Speaker 1: two straight games first time since twenty twenty three, as
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  Speaker 1: they take in a four and two record to play
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings, who are still again going to be on
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  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. So this will be the second time the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles play against Carson Wentz since he left the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: They are three and two and they've had kind of
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  Speaker 1: a strange, inconsistent start to the season that has been
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  Speaker 1: somewhat filled with some injury. So we will break this
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  Speaker 1: game down and Adam I start with you. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, the Vikings are coming off their bye week,
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  Speaker 1: and before that they went into the bye with a
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  Speaker 1: twenty one to seventeen win over the Browns, so This
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  Speaker 1: is we talked about earlier in the week, a crossroads
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  Speaker 1: perhaps for the Eagles, where you're looking to see if
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  Speaker 1: they can pick up the pieces and start to get
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  Speaker 1: back on track, whereas a loss would raise some even
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  Speaker 1: more questions about the future of this team. But I
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  Speaker 1: know that some people have called it a must win
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  Speaker 1: game a little too early for that label.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, how's week seven a must win?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, they're having too game losing street, the
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  Speaker 2: first potential three game losing streak since twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a disaster. We won't even go over
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  Speaker 2: that season. People don't want to go back to that.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to cry, and the misery of it
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  Speaker 2: of really just a horrific time and recent Eagles Lord,
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  Speaker 2: but look, it's a game. Look they want to bounce back.
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  Speaker 2: The coaches to tell you that they don't worry about
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  Speaker 2: what's said in social media. But the human beings, they know,
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  Speaker 2: they're where, they have kids. A lot of these guys
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  Speaker 2: have kids. They're where you know comes what happens when
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  Speaker 2: they come home. They ask the kids, he ask questions
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  Speaker 2: and bringing up they're trying to have to bring their
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  Speaker 2: jobs at home. But it's they're just not playing great
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  Speaker 2: and this is a tough matchup. Now the Vikings, Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, win loss, win, loss, win, like, they've
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  Speaker 2: been very up and down, lots of injuries to their
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  Speaker 2: offensive line. Hopeful that they're going to have most of
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  Speaker 2: these guys back. You mentioned Carson Wentze is starting again.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into with the Greg throat of the tape,
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  Speaker 2: but this is a fascinating game. By the way, the
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  Speaker 2: Vikings have not had a home game since Week three,
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  Speaker 2: September twenty one. That's when they blew out the Bengals
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  Speaker 2: and ironically are once his first game where he didn't
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  Speaker 2: really have to do much. And remember, Jeff, they were
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  Speaker 2: just overseas for I don't know if this happened for
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  Speaker 2: where a team decides, you know what, we're good with
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  Speaker 2: playing overseas two weeks in a row to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So they both were away games. The Steelers game lost
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  Speaker 2: a heartbreaker, and then they were able to beat the Browns.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Jaguars did either last year or the
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  Speaker 1: year before with but I don't think this was new
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  Speaker 1: because they went from Ireland right to England. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think anybody has done that where you're making two trips
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  Speaker 1: within Europe.
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  Speaker 2: And not England, right right, And remember the Jaguars home
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  Speaker 2: away from home Asland is in England because of Shad
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  Speaker 2: Con He's got the soccer team over there and shod
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  Speaker 2: lose over there.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This is weird, by the way. It's their choice. They
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  Speaker 2: don't have to do it, but they agreed to it,
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  Speaker 2: and the league probably loved him for it. They got
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  Speaker 2: their bye week and they should be well rushed.
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  Speaker 1: They should be greg. We had your break down as
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  Speaker 1: we always do the tape of the Eagles offense and
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  Speaker 1: defense on inside the Tape. We do it every week
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  Speaker 1: on the Inside the Birds platform. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: ask you for sort of a big picture observation from
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  Speaker 1: the tape on the Vikings. Who are they? What are
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  Speaker 1: they after five weeks so far or five games?
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  Speaker 3: You know? Offensively, let's start there. They've clearly been a
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  Speaker 3: better offense with Carson Wentz. Now, I think that Wentz
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  Speaker 3: for the moment part, has played well. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: the things that sort of hindered his career toward the
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  Speaker 3: end of the Philly days and then after that, although
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  Speaker 3: he actually did have a very good year in Indianapolis
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  Speaker 3: except for a few bad moments, but he actually had
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  Speaker 3: a pretty good year. But he's been i would say,
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  Speaker 3: much more controlled in the way in which he plays. Now.
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  Speaker 3: There's always going to be moments, jeff where you see
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  Speaker 3: him overstride, where you see him hurry himself a little
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  Speaker 3: bit and the ball becomes a little high, a little scattershot.
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  Speaker 3: But Kevin O'Connell is so good with lower body mechanics
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  Speaker 3: that he really has him kind of a little more
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  Speaker 3: tightly wound in his lower body mechanics more consistently. Now.
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  Speaker 3: The key with quarterbacks that do have tendencies to lose
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  Speaker 3: their lower body mechanics is you need to get pressure
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  Speaker 3: on them because then they speed up when and everything
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  Speaker 3: speeds up and they revert back. But he's played very
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  Speaker 3: much under control. He looks calmer in the pocket than
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  Speaker 3: sort of his more recent iteration, and he's made some
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  Speaker 3: really really good throws. And obviously, when you have you know,
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  Speaker 3: justin Jefferson, you have Addison who's now back, and you
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  Speaker 3: have a really well schemed passing game that presents a
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  Speaker 3: lot of clean, defined looks. He's actually played well. He's
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  Speaker 3: not getting sacked very much, the ball's coming out, he's
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  Speaker 3: throwing shorter passes when he needs to, which was always
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  Speaker 3: an issue in the past. But obviously Kevin O'Connell on
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  Speaker 3: the staff is working with him on that. He may
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  Speaker 3: never be the best at it, but he's better than
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  Speaker 3: he was, and so therefore he's not holding the ball
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  Speaker 3: and he's not taking unnecessary sacks, and he's not playing
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  Speaker 3: recklessly because very often he'd hold the ball and then
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  Speaker 3: run around, and he's not really doing You haven't really
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  Speaker 3: seen him run around very.
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  Speaker 2: Much when he moved around when he ran the He
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  Speaker 2: looks healthy. That's a note that yeah said he did
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  Speaker 2: when he said the scrambles. Remember when he tore the
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  Speaker 2: it ban the ACL gosh eight years ago. We're almost
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  Speaker 2: at the eight year mark in December of twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 2: that it bann is on the side of her leg
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  Speaker 2: and he just had that hitch that trying to run.
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  Speaker 2: He's starting to have a hitch in his running. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have that right now. He thought he looked pretty
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  Speaker 2: good running it. So yeah, we'll see what happens. Man,
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  Speaker 2: this is a fascinating game, Jeff. He just looks more controlled, Jeah.
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  Speaker 2: He just looks, you know, like he's you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: he's more experienced. You have to believe on a certain
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  Speaker 2: level he's humbled to some extent. I mean, don't forget
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  Speaker 2: he did start that last game in Kansas City last
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  Speaker 2: year and he was awful. You know, I think they
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  Speaker 2: lost thirty eight nothing to Denver and he was awful. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he was awful to the point where you thought, is
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  Speaker 2: this guy gonna know be back in the league.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just that's what
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  Speaker 3: the tape show. He was awful. Wow, And he's been
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  Speaker 3: rehabilitated to a large extent by a guy that's a
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  Speaker 3: really good quarterback guy in Kevin O'Connell.
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  Speaker 1: Very much so. Yeah, watching his tape just in a
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  Speaker 1: few games that he's play this year was very interesting because,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, Greg, he does things better. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's like the one or two you know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: he took six sacks against Pittsburgh, but there's those two
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  Speaker 1: or three times where if he could speed up his
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  Speaker 1: clock and get him a little frenetic in the pocket,
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  Speaker 1: he's still liable to either take a sack that he
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  Speaker 1: didn't need to take or do something wild. But you're
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  Speaker 1: right about the control. You can see that they're on schedule,
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  Speaker 1: you have a little bit more than you would have
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  Speaker 1: thought that they would be with And.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people thought when they played
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland with that D line in pass rush, that that
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  Speaker 3: could be a game where he'd get sacked eight or
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  Speaker 3: nine times and be running around, And it didn't play
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  Speaker 3: out that way at all. He was very much under
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  Speaker 3: control on that game.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, he didn't turn it over.
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  Speaker 3: By the way.
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  Speaker 2: He's also coached by Josh McCown, which I'm glad I was.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna I'm glad you mentioned that because when I was
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  Speaker 3: mentioned to Kevin O'Connell, Josh McCown, who I know as well,
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  Speaker 3: is you know, he's very, very good, and you know
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  Speaker 3: the combination of those two guys, you know, really coaching
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  Speaker 3: him is a big deal. It's a really big deal.
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  Speaker 2: This is really odd. So Kevin O'Connell, he yes, he
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  Speaker 2: hired Josh mccow. But you know it's interesting. Charlie Frye,
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  Speaker 2: another former Cleveland Browns quarterback. Yeah, so the defensive staff,
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  Speaker 2: how about that, Charlie Frye.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still remember the game. I want to say,
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Eagles play the Falcons, Monday night, Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 1: has to leave the game with an injury, and McCown
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  Speaker 1: comes in and rallies them and gets it eighteen eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I say eighteen. He rallies, he gets them
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  Speaker 1: into the deep within the five, I think, inside the
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  Speaker 1: low red zone, and he's doing great. And then the
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  Speaker 1: yank him and put Carson right back in and I
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  Speaker 1: think Agalred drops a touchdown. Pat I have a weird
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  Speaker 1: total recall from that. But yeah, that was an interesting game.
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  Speaker 1: So imagine your coach, your position coach is the guy
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  Speaker 1: who used to be your backup. That's got to be
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  Speaker 1: a very fascinating dynamic there in that room. Sure, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about this game. We'll get into it first.
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  Speaker 1: We'll start with the injuries. I would say the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: got some good news and some maybe not so good
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  Speaker 1: news from their final injury report. The good news, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is that Quinyon Mitchell is going to play. He was
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  Speaker 1: a full participant on Friday. He's not even carrying an
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  Speaker 1: injury designation. He is going to play and he's not
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  Speaker 1: questionable or anything like that. That is very good news.
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  Speaker 1: And Landon Dickerson is listed as questionable, but he did
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  Speaker 1: practice in full on Friday, so that's also good. Same
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  Speaker 1: thing with Jordan Davis on the shoulder, Zach Bourne with
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  Speaker 1: the thumb, good to go. The weird one, Adam right, is,
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  Speaker 1: because we talked about this, Jalen Carter is listed as questionable.
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  Speaker 1: He was limited the last two days of practice after
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  Speaker 1: being full on Wednesday. Now, without knowing what's going on
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  Speaker 1: behind the doors there, behind the scenes, we did say
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  Speaker 1: let's watch after he was a full participant on what
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  Speaker 1: happens the day after, because you always want to see
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  Speaker 1: response to that kind of a practice and whatever the reason,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles response was, we're pulling back and limiting him.
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  Speaker 1: So I do think coming off a game that he
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  Speaker 1: missed and an extra rest for him to be limited
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  Speaker 1: the last two days of practice and being questionable should
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  Speaker 1: probably raise some concerns.
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  Speaker 2: I would be concerned. I would be, I thought, because look,
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  Speaker 2: he I know you can't always trust for players, say
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  Speaker 2: because they're very optimistic, they're the ones that are dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the injury. And he seemed to be pretty resolute
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  Speaker 2: that he was going to play when he told. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: our Andrew Ducheco was there right in front of him
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  Speaker 2: when he said it. I believe whatever the media availability
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  Speaker 2: was ondnes here Thursday. But the fact that he didn't
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  Speaker 2: take all the ones on Friday is a concern because
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  Speaker 2: Friday is a light practice, usually forty five to sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: It's generally you're just going, you're just it's very crisp,
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  Speaker 2: and you get out, you're done. It's a sure practice.
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  Speaker 2: And he didn't take all the ones on Friday. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Kinle was kind of surprised by that. Yeah, where Dickerson did.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's got the questionable tag where uh, he did
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  Speaker 2: take all the ones on Friday. That's a great sign. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Quinyon he Yeah, he's It's not like the injury magically
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  Speaker 2: went away. It is a hamstring issue. But he took
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  Speaker 2: all the ones on Friday, and that, barring something in
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  Speaker 2: pre game more ups, he's in the lineup.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And thank goodness for the Eagles, because we don't want
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  Speaker 2: to see Ringo and Jackson starting against or having to
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  Speaker 2: be the guys who are in the starting lineup with
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  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson on the other side, right, that would not
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  Speaker 2: be pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it'll be a dory Jackson getting
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  Speaker 1: the start this time, correct, And I think even if
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  Speaker 1: Jill and Carter were to start the game, Greg, You're
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  Speaker 1: always gonna wonder can he make it through, can he
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  Speaker 1: play at the level that you expect him to play at,
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  Speaker 1: because as you've noticed on tape, you know, he's been
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  Speaker 1: dealing with the shoulder, which he's not even on the
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  Speaker 1: report for now. He's been dealing with the heel. He
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  Speaker 1: has not been the guy this year so far that
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  Speaker 1: we saw last year.
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  Speaker 3: No, and that's absolutely true. The tape shows that, and
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  Speaker 3: they need him to be that guy with the players
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  Speaker 3: that they lost in just the fact that they've you know,
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  Speaker 3: we talked about this earlier in the week, they've not
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  Speaker 3: really been able to rush the quarterback the way they have.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that has been in some ways a staple
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  Speaker 3: of this team over the as they've built to being
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  Speaker 3: a super Bowl and then a super Bowl winner. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the pass rush has been a major, major part of
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  Speaker 3: who they are as a team, and that has not
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  Speaker 3: been the case this year.
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  Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's flip it over and talk about
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings. The injury report. So it looks like Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Van Kinkle is out for them. He's been declared out.
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  Speaker 1: He's a key piece of what they do on defense.
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  Speaker 1: But he's been out I think for a couple of games.
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  Speaker 3: What's his injury, Adam Leave, it's a neck.
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  Speaker 2: I'll double check a pleae to a neck injury. Van
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  Speaker 2: Kinkles is a neck and he is out. He just
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  Speaker 2: started working, you know. But yeah, that's obviously big avg
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  Speaker 2: as they say, was he chef? Was he a teammate
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  Speaker 2: of Zach Bonds in Wisconsin? If not mistaken?
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  Speaker 1: I think he was. I mean Greg might know that from.
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  Speaker 3: Taking I believe so. I think he's a little older
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  Speaker 3: than maybe not, because don't forget how many years did
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  Speaker 3: spend Bond spend in New Orleans? Probably about four, right,
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  Speaker 3: wasn't sixth year in the league. I think they were
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  Speaker 3: teammates for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and sort of similar style players who can
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  Speaker 1: play the edge on the line and also a linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of those Wisconsin guys come into the league,
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  Speaker 3: their edge rushers and they well and Van Ginkle's actually
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  Speaker 3: turned out to be kind of a multi dimensional player.
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  Speaker 3: He's a very He's more multi dimensional in his deployment
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  Speaker 3: than bonn Is. And he started out to be a
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  Speaker 3: very good player.
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  Speaker 2: By the way Greg before Vic Fancher was coaching him,
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  Speaker 2: was Van Ginkle doing the stuff that he did for
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  Speaker 2: Vic doing See that isn't an amazing Jeff Bond seriously
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  Speaker 2: is not at real. He was not a linebacker, let's
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  Speaker 2: call it. He really wasn't right. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: Vic saw something like really no one else saw pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: He did the same thing for Van Kenkle. Van Kinkle
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  Speaker 2: should gi him a couple of bucks for that. It's
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  Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Was making a lot of money. Man, he
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  Speaker 2: got a big deal too.
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  Speaker 3: He got a big deal. Well, in their scheme, he's
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  Speaker 3: a really important See there's a great example. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying he wouldn't be good somewhere else. You never
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  Speaker 3: know those things. But in that particular scheme, he's a
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  Speaker 3: really good player.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some of their questionable guys
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  Speaker 1: at him, because I know you've got some intel on
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  Speaker 1: this and there are some interesting ones. So, Blake Cashman,
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  Speaker 1: their linebacker is very good. He's in their twenty one
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  Speaker 1: day window. He's coming off i R. So he's questionable
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  Speaker 1: to play. You're getting any.
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  Speaker 2: Actually he's not. Well, here's here's the deal. He's going
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  Speaker 2: to play they made the pretty clear he's going to play.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna activate him. Okay, so they're gonna activate him now.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Carson Wentz, his injury is his left shoulder,
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  Speaker 2: his non thrown shoulder. He was fine with it. The
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  Speaker 2: ones there. McCarthy will not play. In fact, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be their emergency third quarterback. JJ McCarthy coming back
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  Speaker 2: from the left high ankle injury.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that he's now working. He worked during
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  Speaker 2: their bye week and then this week, so they're hopeful
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  Speaker 2: that he'll be ready the week after. But what's interesting,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff is you might have heard it if you listen
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  Speaker 2: to our show with Mike McMullan Meryl Reice that we
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  Speaker 2: did this week. I asked Mike point blank, what would
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  Speaker 2: you do? Would you stick with the veteran Carson and
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  Speaker 2: go back to McCarthy. I mean, and I thought he
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  Speaker 2: might say this, but until I asked him, and he said, no,
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  Speaker 2: I stick with a veteran and we got plenty of
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  Speaker 2: time to develop the quarter back. He said this, just
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  Speaker 2: stick with Wentz. He was strong, but he didn't even
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  Speaker 2: think about it, just came out right and said it.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, yeah, look, it makes sense right now,
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  Speaker 1: and then I do wonder, uh, if the Vikings continue
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  Speaker 1: to win, you know, if they beat the Eagles and
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  Speaker 1: whoever they play next week, if they kind of stick
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  Speaker 1: with Wentz until they feel like I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: they've kind of made it same like they're fine with
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: They're gonna go back to McCarthy once he's ready, But
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: they have the Chargers up next, and then the Lions.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Those are two, and then so well, the Ravens haven't
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: played very well, but I mean there's still what you
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: think of as a formidable team. So if Carson Wentz
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: is playing well, it makes you wonder if they stick
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: with him there.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Grenard got hurt in Thursday's practice with a hamster
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: and he's terrific edge rusher. He's gonna play though. He
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: got cleared Friday. Now. Brian O'Neill hurt his knee. He
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: missed their last game. They're optimistic that he'll be back
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: in the lineup at right tackle. Donovan Jackson's been cleared.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: He missed last week's game as well with their injury
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: wrist injury. Michael Jurgen's the backup guards center who was
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: filling in for Ryan Kelly. He missed the previous game,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: but he's been cleared he'll play, so as they sent
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: him back to UJF. They've had a ton of injuries.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Their offensive line was down three starters, but they're looking
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: pretty good to have most of them for this game.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Well, Greg, given what we've talked about with Carson Wentz,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I would think having both offensive tackles healthy, having the
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: first round pick Jackson at guard, and then even the
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: backup center instead of the third string center in there
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: makes it that much better of an environment for Carson
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: without question.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: And I think that the answer I repart to that
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: is can their run game at least be a factor.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: They don't have to rush for one hundred and eighty yards,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: but Jordan Mason is kind of a tough, physical inside runner,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: and we know that Kevin O'Connell does want to run
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the ball. This is not just a throwball team. That's
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: not the way he wants to play now. Obviously, in Pittsburgh,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: they were down in the second half and they probably
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: had to drop Carson Wentz back more than they would
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: like to, and that's one reason he had five or
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: six sacks in that game. But I think that in
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: an I world, that's not the way they want to play.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: So and Jordan Mason, you know what, for the first
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: part of last season when McCaffrey was not there, he
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: ran well, he ran hard. He's a certain kind of runner.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: He's a physical, grinded out type runner. Not necessarily a
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: big playback. But again, if you can stay ahead of
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: the sticks and open up the playbook and do all
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: those things, you know, it really helps your offense.
• 17:23
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• 17:25
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  Speaker 1: for your take, your take, your viewpoint, your tape study
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: observations on the Vikings defense because I watched a bunch
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of their games, and you know, they rank very high,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: very in past defense and they're among the bottom half
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to third in run defense. But watching them, I don't
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: know that. I think that what they do well from
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the passing game is because they have great pass defense personnel,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and what they don't do well from running game is
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: because of great run or poor run defense personnel. It's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: almost the way that they play defense that really jumps
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: out on Brian Flores.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It's schematic right, more than anything. Now. They hardly play
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: any cover one. They are not a man to man
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: defensive team. But what they've always done under Brian Flores,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: and this is what's difficult for an old line and
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: theoretically for your quarterback too, is they will line up
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: with pressure front. Looks okay, they'll line up with five, six,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: sometimes seven along the line of scrimmage. Now they don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: do that on every play obviously, but when you do that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: and we've seen what sometimes can happen when teams do that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember specifically when Jalen Hurts got sacked
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: by j Kwon McMillan and the Broncos. You know, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: you may remember that play where the Broncos lined up,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I believe, with six or seven along their front. They
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: dropped out the interior three or four, and you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Hufanga was the hot guy to start, but then McMillan
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: became the free hitter, you know. I mean, it's the
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the vikings. Brian Flores is very good at those kinds
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of things. And then but he doesn't play man, so
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: when people drop out, they drop out into his own coverage. Now,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: where Van Ginkle was outstanding was how he was a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: great dropper and guys he just knew because you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: that's all taught. I remember having this conversation with Adam's
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: good buddy Ben Bloom when I was down in Tennessee,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: talking about the angle that guys drop out because that's
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: all coached. You don't just say just drop out. You know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: it's all coach based on splits, based on receiver, you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: and and you know that's something Van Ginkle's great at.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: So they're going to miss that. But that's what makes
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: it difficult when you play against this team, is these
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: these pressure front looks and then what do they do
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: from that?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, Greg, it makes it because you have it,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you just basically have it second to make a decision
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna do. Yeah, Flores is so unpredictable. That's
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: what makes them so great.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And they're not necessarily a high you know, people think
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: because they do that that they are really high percentage
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: blitz defense. They're not necessarily I mean in a given game,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: they they may. I mean, yeah, relative to the league
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: they are. I mean they're third highest in blitz. But
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I mean I remember in previous years I felt like
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: they blitzed at even a higher rate relative to this year.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: You know. So, and don't forget part of that could
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: have been too that Harrison Smith's Smith missed games and
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: even though he's not a blitzer. Now you have to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: make sure the back end guys understand how to because Essentially,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: they're a zone match team. They're not a man team,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: but you still have to match. And when you lose
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: a player like Harrison Smith, who's really really good at
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that because he's played a long time and is a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: very smart player, you know, that just changes a little
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: bit of how you play.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, how do these Josh mittelis because he's an interesting player.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: He's being paid a lot of money too. What do
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you think of him?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Because he's their wild card? He lines up everywhere. See,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: there's a perfect example of a guy who came out
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: of the Big ten Michigan, who's not viewed as a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: big time star, but then he gets into a system
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: where it just you know, they see what he can
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: do and they play to what he is because he's
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: not If you just said, oh, you're a safety, he
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be a great safety. If you said you're a
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: slot corner, he wouldn't be a great slot corner. But
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: as kind of a movable chess piece wild card who
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: lines up in multiple places, that's part of it of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: a really good scheme. He's a very effective player.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Greg they're front. Let's talk about their defensive front against
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the Eagles offensive line, which has struggled. The run game
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: has struggled. They are light up front, yes, but they're
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: also very They're also not on athletic though they're they're fast,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: they move around. They look it looks like they get
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: their linebackers crashing into the gaps against the run pretty quickly.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So I've seen that they've allowed a few explosives. You know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: they had to face Bajon Robinson, they face the Steelers.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Algier got him a little bit even Joel, Yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I think in ninety nine yards rushing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But it doesn't look to me like they're
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: blown off the ball either. It just looks like to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: me that they're going so fast at times that they're
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit sloppy with their tackling. But do you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: see this front as an opportunity for the Eagles to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: get their ground game going if they can you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: execute their blocks correctly.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I mean theoretically yes, but you know, because look, I
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: think Cashman and being back, and again we don't know
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: how many snaps he will play. I mean that's unknown
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: at the moment. But Cashman's a really good player. So
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: now what you have is you have you know, Ivan
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Pace has been playing, He's an interesting player, but he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: not big. He's but he's a very good player.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Eric Wilson, our old friend, he's you know, he's been
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: around the league. I'll tell you what. He probably had
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: his worst stretch with Philly, but wherever else he's been,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: he's been a solid player. It's been odd because he
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: was a solid player with Green Bay and now he's
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: a solid player with Minnesota. So it's just odd that
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: when he was in Philly it seemed like he was
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: not a good player at all. Player. But I think,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: you know, in an ideal world, Cashman he makes a
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: big Cashman's a really really good player. I remember, I
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: don't think you were there, Adam, And I remember talking
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: with his agent when you were at the Combine a
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: couple of years ago. Really nice guy. What's his name,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: that's it? Yeah, really nice guy. And you know he
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: was actually asking me what I thought of him because
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: he was going to be a free agent at that point,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and I told him because he was with Houston and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I thought he was a really good player.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Johnson Allen too, Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: So I mean they have good players. I think a
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: lot of times what happens to Jeff because there's so
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: much moving around with their defense that sometimes guys get
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: out of gaps.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought I saw, Greg. I didn't
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: see a d line or a front that was just
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: getting blown off the balls the way a couple of
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: years ago when the Eagles played the Vikings and they
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: were struggling with the past to DeAndre Swift, and they
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: literally just blew the Vikings And.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: That usually doesn't happen to them, but they get out
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: of gaps. There's a lot of moving pieces, you know.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And just like in the past game, they do give
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: up plays. I mean, it's not it's not like you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: can't score on this team at all, you know, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: they do give up plays. And when you look at
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: the corners, you know, I know Isaiah Rodgers is there.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: He had a nice year in Philly last year, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: he's certainly an above average corner, but he's not a
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: shutdown player. You know. I think you can attack them.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked about this earlier in the week.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: It would not surprise me if aj Brown got over
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the top a couple of times in this game. You know,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I think I think this is a defense you can
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: do that too, based on you know, Byron Murphy plays
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: outside in their base, but he's really a slot corner.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: He's a very good slack corner, but he plays outside
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: in their base.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Rogers is a small frame guy. He's athletic, we know.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's a good player, Jeff, but physically he's not
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the biggest guy in the world. I agree with Greg.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: They're not great at corner. Just have a scheme that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's hard to decipher and figure out.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. And there's gonna be plays in
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: every game where they make you make you look silly
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: just because that's the way they play. But you can
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: make plays against them. They're never like the number one
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: defense in the league in terms of yards allowed or
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you know, you can make plays.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Right, they'll give up a little bit for this. Yeah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: ry of break down your scheme or confusir quarter but.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: They will confuse. I mean remember last year when Aaron
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Rodgers totally got confused and through the interception right to
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Van Ginkel. And that's Aaron Rodgers. Wowardest quarterbacks who ever played.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, So the Vikings have seen run the run
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: game against them at a forty nine point three percent clip.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It's the second highest in the end. But that can
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: be a little misleading because they've also played some teams
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that like to run. We talked about the Steelers, we're
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: talking about the Falcons, and obviously they played some teams
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: with bad quarterbacks Browning Gabriel. The fact that they've seen
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that much running but they've only allowed the eighth most
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: rushing yards in the league shows you that they're not
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: pushovers because teams are running the ball at them more
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: than anybody other than I think the Jets. But they're
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: not hemorrhaging rushing yards. But they will give up some explosives.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And I wonder Greg I noticed that the Falcons, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they always do this. I'm guessing
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: they do. They ran a lot against the Vikings out
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of the pistol formation.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Well the Viking excuse me, the Falcons. You're talking about
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the Falcons.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they were a team of beach On.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Robinson's eighty three rushes this year have come out of
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the pistol. They were a pitton. They play out of
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the pistol more than twice as much as the next team.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: They're in the pits on about fifty five percent of
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: their offensive snaps.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Well, it feels like it's something.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying that that makes it a
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: bad and now, but that's who the Falcons are.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought. And because they did it
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: so much and just watching how you get less of
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a tell because the quarterback is the running back is
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: directly behind the quarterback as opposed to the left or
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the right, which can sort of sometimes dictate the pathway.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder if one of the things that the Eagles
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: might try to switch up because they have run some
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: pistol this year, is just trying to get the running
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: game going out of the pistol.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Mor Well, It's funny because Atlanta, you know, most people
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: say if you're in the pistol as opposed to the gun,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: that you have a greater variety in your run game,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: because in the gun, people believe you're a little limited,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: you know. But the funny thing about the Falcons is
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: is even though they're in the pistol so much, and
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: as I mentioned, seventy one of Jon's eighty three runs
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: have come out of pistol, it's literally all outside zone.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: They lead the league and running outside zone by the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: biggest margin. You know, they are an outside zone team.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Now again, could the Eagles look at that game, because
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the coaching staff is looking at everything. You know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: they're trying to win games now. They're just trying to
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: turn all over every stone right now. I mean, it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: that's what coaches do. You know, there's no the players
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: might get some time off, but there's no rest for
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the weary here, you know. I mean, they got to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: figure out a way to win this game. So I
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: don't know if the Eagles will take a page out
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of the Falcons book, you know, and be in the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: pistol more. You know, the Falcons are a heavy outside
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: zone team. Of course, the Eagles can run outside zone.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: They can run anything when their old line is playing
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: well and it's Barkley. But I don't know if they'll
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: do that. But I think that you have to. You know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: in a week like this where you have to win
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: this game. You know you're coming off your offense is
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: not even though you're foreign to there's no one in
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that building that's going to think, Jeff, that boy r
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: offense is looking good. There's no one who's thinking that. Okay,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: coaches don't think their offense look good when they score fifty.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So there's no way they think their offense is too
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: good now. So so they're going to leave no stone unturned.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: They're going to try to figure this out. They'll look
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: at other teams, see what other teams have had success
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: doing because the Eagles, I'm sure, believe with a compliment
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: in their own line and appears as if Land and
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Dickerson will go, they are going to believe that they
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: can run the ball against this team. Now. They believe
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that every week and it hasn't happened this year. It
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: just quite frankly, the old line has not played well.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: But you know now you still have to hang your
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: hat on your own line. You have no choice. You
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: don't have other options.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Here, right, Jeff. One thing and we don't know whether
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the run outside zone or even have a toss right
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: or toss left because they just haven't done it. Now.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It could be a physical thing. It seems like it is.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: We're not sure, but we're gonna learn a lot more
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: in this game on Sunday about where they are physically,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: because you have a front that's remember jay Von Hargrave
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: does not stop the run well, and he's a smaller
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: guy comparatively. Okay, Jonathan Allen's up there. You know, he's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: a a great player in his day.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: He's Grenard's not big either. What's that Grenard's not big either?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: No, well, John Garnard's right. He's an excellent pass rusher
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and Van Kinkle's not playing. So this is an opportunity
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to run. That's all it is until they show us
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: they can do it, prove it to us, because they
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: have been able to do it at all this season.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Sea One saving the day as we broke down and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: inside the tape on those first two runs where he
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: actually is the one who made it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: The best run stuffer they have is probably Jalen Redmond.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: He's a big guy and he's he's really solid and
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: strong as an interior d tackle.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Those Vikings have had to play base defense and in
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: order to mount this year. Because I mentioned, not only
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: are they seeing the third most or the second highest
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: rate of runs, they're seeing the third highest rate of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: twelve personnel in the NFL.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So I imagine the Eagles now we mentioned they've played.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because they've played sixty one
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: percent of their snaps in base defense, which is an
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: ordinary high percentage. They've not played. They've only played about
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: twenty three percent in nickel and maybe fifteen percent in dime.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: They've played a ton of base defense this year.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Jeff Jalen Redman is number sixty one. Okay, he's at Oklahoma.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He was an undresered free agent for the panther A
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: twenty three. And this kid is bounced around on and off,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: on and off, on and off. But now he's starting.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Give this guy Krez a good story. But look, he's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the guy that was not drafted. So if you look
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: at this stee lion, it's very beatable. There's a reason
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: why they've given up some games, some big yardist games
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: in Russian Kenny gainwell of all people almost at one
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: hundred yards.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got to remember what the Steelers did
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a lot. I'm sure Greg soid on tape. I mean
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: not only in that game. They played an extra guard.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So they were playing six offensive linemen and they're big
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: what's that big big ass tight ends name Mount Washington, McCalls.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Or now Washington, Oh my god.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So they're literally putting seven or eight people over sixty
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: five to three hundred, and that limits what you can
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: do from a passing game. So they clearly. I don't
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: know what to make of the fact that the Vikings
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: have been counteract. They've been in base because teams are
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: constantly heavy upfront against them, and I sort of take
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that as a teams don't really want to mess around
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: too much in the passing game against Brian Flores. They're
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: trying to stabilize their offense, stay ahead of the sticks,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and give themselves better third downs because if you get
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: behind schedule on this Flora's defense, you're going to be
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: see a lot of different rushers from different angles right right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: So it's like a respect I almost a sign of respect.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: But also but Jeff, it's also matchups. If your Lyne
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: look at this heavy offensive line. Let's just take it
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: for what we know that they've struggled this year, but
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: you see their massive ego, massive offensive line right against
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: that front, they should be able to run the ball.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a matter if you can't throw it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Of course you can, but I don't need.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: To make the argument that for the last two years,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: how long has Dickerson been here? Land In Dickerson, this
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: is his fifth.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Year, He's uh four, I know he's got three straight
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, and I.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Thought, certainly. So let's go back the last three years.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: You make the argument that the left side of their
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: offensive line, okay, may Alatta and Dickerson was the best
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: run blocking duo in the league. Wow, I think that's
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: a fair argument that can be made.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Sure absolute, you know, you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Don't do rankings, but that's a strong statement. You would
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: know you watch all thirty teens.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Now, it hasn't been that way this year. And I
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: think you can make that statement too.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: If Greg, I would say that this is probably a
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: bottom half of the NFL and offensive line right now.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: But I mean those two guys, Jeff, I mean, you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: that's they were the best duo in terms of run blocking,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: you know, in the league. And it's not been that
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: way now. And that's a big deal.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Right Hey, Jeff, you know the COSO line, it's in there.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: It's there.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope it's there for their sake, because Greg
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: just outlined it. They were the best.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Every season is different. Every coach will tell you that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: They'll tell you every week is different, much less every season,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: but every every season is different, you know, and and
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: but but the you know, the bottom line is because
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I hear that a lot on on you know, I
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: hear a lot on social media when people tell me
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about football, you know they they
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: they say, well, then Eagles have to do different things. Well,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: yes and no. I mean you still have to play
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: to what your players are. You know, like, you can't
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden do something that your players can't
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: do or you don't feel that they can do.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, based on what we've just talked about
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and how the Vikings play d I would say the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: key for the Eagles is to get an early run
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: game going, but not just just get stay ahead of schedule,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: stay ahead of the sticks. When you do run well,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: go to your no huddle, because the Vikings can substitute
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of it. Go to your no huddle
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and then set up some favorable passing situations for you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: where you're not letting the Vikings tee off on you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and show you all these multiple fronts and show you
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: these disguises. You know, you negate that if you can
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: run the ball well, and then maybe even set up
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: some RPO and then you take your shots when they're there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I agree, I think the no huddle is critical in
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: this game. But the key to that is you've got
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to get ahead of the sticks.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we say like this might be the day where
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you just come out throw and come out through, But
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a great thing for this
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: offense right now. I think they need to re establish
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: dominance in the trenches in their run game and then
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: work off of that against this team.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it won't surprise me if they took a shot
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: early just to you know, hey, we can take a shot.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: But overall, Jeff, this team when they're at their best,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: we saw it last year, the run of the hell
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: out of it and then work off of that, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: it's just it. And also we all know this offensive
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: lineman love it when they're getting off the ball. It's
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: just that they like they feel when they're feeling it
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: last year, all NFL film stuff that just that whether
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: what might it's incredible.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's kind of who they are,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: you know, so right, But you're right, Jeff, I mean
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I think they still this is a game and I
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: mentioned this earlier where I think you will have some
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: opportunities to hit aj Brown over the top onto too.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Theoretically sure, but I mean AJ has been that guy
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: since his time in Philly. And yeah, I mean I
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: think you have to take that shot in this game.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: A couple of times you can't, you know, don't condense
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: your own offense.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Right, All right, let's get into the Eagles defense against
• 38:06
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  Speaker 1: so we mentioned upfront that the Eagles have not been
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: rushing the passer well, that Jylen Carter himself has not
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: been playing well, and we'll see if he's even playing
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: in the game. But you know, we talked about what
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the keys are Offensively. I think defensively, I think if
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: it's not sacking, it's gotta be harassment. It's gotta be
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: getting Minnesota and getting Carson uncomfortable in the pocket. He
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: will give you opportunities if you can get him uncomfortable.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And obviously the Vikings Adam benefit from having their offensive
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: line a little bit more intact. So you, if you're Vic,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you may think again. And now you don't have Zadarias Smith,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: this guy might have to blitz even more than he's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: been blitzing already.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, yeah, the Eagle's cash rusher simply,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I mean with you mentioned it was Sadarius Smith alto
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: it's not ready yet. Sometime hopefully for their sake early
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: after the bye that he'll be back. But as Greg
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: told us as many times, he learned from his late
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: friend Rod Ross, who I actually met sitting at an
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: NFL films. Rod's super nice guy. And you can't come
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: with four, you bring five. You can't get home with five,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: you bring six. This is an offensive line that could
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: be beat It's not bad, but they're beat up a
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Well. I think the most fascinating thing about the Eagles
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: defense this year is how much Cover one they've played.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Which they were not doing at all last night.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Which is usually man defense.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Cover one is man covered with his realized safety.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: And given their issues at corner, that's again, I'm not
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: as smart as Vic Fangio, so I'm not gonna sit
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: here and say he's right or wrong. Just surprising that
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: they played so much Cover one. They've played cover one
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: on probably forty five percent of their snaps versus opposing
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: quarterback dropbacks. Now, if Quinnon Mitchell can go, it's will
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: definitely be a game where he will he will be.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: The matter of okay, opposite him as Jackson. So so
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: let's you talk about you asked me about the past rush.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a scene like they'll have
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: a plan. Obviously you always have a plan, but it's
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: not a game. Carson Wentz is a big dude.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Again, he's I mean, aconly, but I could almost see.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I didn't mean to interrupt you, just a thought hit me.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I could almost see if they feel Quinnon
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Mitchell is true. I mean, I know he doesn't have
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: an injury designation, but if they really feel he's truly
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: healthy with no limitations to his game, I could see them.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And I'm just throwing this out. I don't know. They
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: might not do this at all. Line up in a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: quarter structure, have Mitchell in a sense play zero man
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: on Jefferson. You know, hey, he's Quinon. Mitchell's our guy.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: He's a top five corner in the league and then
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: have the safety to that side pretty much poach and
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: work toward the other side because you know and and
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: basically just let Quinnon play zero man on Jefferson. Now,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: like I said, something like that wouldn't happen on every
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: single snap, but I could see that happening depending on
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: what the if Jefferson is the boundary X, let's say,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: on given plays, I could see them doing that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: So you're basically trying to take both guys out instead.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Of one or the other.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: You're basically one guy out with mega beverage best.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Corner on Jefferson with zero man, and then having five
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: or six defenders that can play to the trip side
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: and you can win the numbers game over there.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But in terms of pressure, to me, this
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: is one you feel like if now see, this is
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: where Carter comes in. If pregame warm ups go well
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: with the heel and I know the shoulders not on
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the injury report, but you simply don't know what he
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: is physically right now because.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: He hasn't been a really good pass rusher this year.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm gonna get to so jeff he'd been normal,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not blitzing because you could he could, he could
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: beat this. They don't have many studs on their offensive
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: line other than Darsol.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Darshall has just come back to his A c l
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: O'Neil's pretty good, isn't he.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: He's a right tackle. I'm told about the interior where
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: he lines up the interior. Let me make that clear.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: In the interior, I mean this is just this is
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: something you would normally think he could win. He my
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: buddy who has uh who does proportional from another team,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: told me because he did a study on the Eagles.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: He said, there's it's very rare that Carter would not
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: win in one one, one on one. But that's when
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I told you months ago. Double teams he rarely beat them.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: But now that he's not himself, you simply have to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: bring pressure.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: But you know he.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Fancher's not a fifty percent polity. He's not doing that. No, No,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna he's but I think at the minimum,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and I'll send this back to you is selectively blitz
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: and Wentz. Look, Wentz is a never say die guy.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: He's he doesn't give up. That's why he'll turn the
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: ball over even when he's mentally and physically right, he doesn't.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: He'll take a sack. He might throw a pick, as
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you were alluding to earlier. So I'm gonna be interested
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to see what their approach is because Greg talked about
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: that awful game last year when he remember when Wentz
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: was totally lost with Washington. He was terrible against the Eagles, terrible, right,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: So, so if you remember when we were talking about
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the Eagles past rush and how to improve it, we
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: said one thing that people felt we're getting misled by
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: was the idea that Nikobe Dean could just go play
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: linebacker and you moved Jahid Dampbell to the outside, because
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: our constant rebuttal to that was, well, who are you
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: taking off the field on the edges? Then if you're
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: moving Johide Campbell there, well guess what. Since that discussion,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith has taken himself off the field by retiring.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: So now now, which a totally different equation and this conversation,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it might make a little more sense if you feel
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean is up to it and he got his
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: legs under him and against that, the Giants maybe start
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: playing John Campbell on the edge more.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Greg in college at Alabama. I know he would transition
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to inside backer, but as just a pass rusher. What
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: do you remember about his tape as a pass rusher,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Johan anything off hand?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I could look at my notes, but I
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: don't remember him being like, oh my god, look at
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: this guy. He's an unbelievable pass rusher. I mean he
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: did rush, for sure, but you know I didn't. I
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: didn't look at him and think this guy is going
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to come into the NFL and be a pass rusher.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But in fairness, he didn't get a whole lot of opportunities.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: They had Anderson, Will Anderson, And who's the other guy
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that they had, Dallas turn He's on the vikings right now.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: You'll see him on the other side. He starts.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, I noticed that Dallas Turner. When they
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: had Van Ginkel and Grenard healthy, right, they would use
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner on the line a little bit to give
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: him a little extra juice up front. But now he
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: basically has to stand up and play any linebacker.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did brush the quarterback. I'm looking at my notes. Okay,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: So what I said was wrong because here's a note
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I made as an edge pass rusher showed explosive get
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: off striking with hands with bend in flexibility to flatten
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: a rush path. And then I said, in my transition,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I said, will Campbell project as a stacked linebacker or
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: will team see him as a sub front edge pass
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: rusher or linebacker. My senses, he will project. And obviously
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: this turned out to be wrong. Project as a sub
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: packaged player early in his career with his ability to
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: both rush the quarterback and effectively play underneath zone coverage.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: So he did rush the quarterback at Alabama.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But Jeff, this is what we were talked about weeks
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: or months ago, that he's really ahead of schedule.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: This is not right.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: No one really saw him, and I'm not thinking it's
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: been perfect. I mean, he set some issues against the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: run liately, but overall, Jeff, he's so much farther ahead.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: But he's a twitch kid. I mean, he's he's got
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: you know. I said that he looked like a different
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: player as an edge pass rusher based on his college tape,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: with sudden twitch off the ball, using his hands, he
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: could bend, he's flexible, he had closing burst. I mean
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: he to me, he actually looked better. Now that I'm
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: remembering my notes, I've seen my notes and remembering him,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: he actually looked better as an edge pass rusher than
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: he did as a stack backer at PAMA.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, Okay, Well you know what, Jeff, I think
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it's time that Vick. You always comes down to this,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: what's what's the best decision for your football team. If
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Dean's all the way back, you start working in an
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: inside backer. The pass rush is not his below average,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: let's call it what it is, right because of Carter
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and his problems with his injuries.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Well, Milton Williams has been a big.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Loss that one too. And sweaty yeah, I mean year
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I mean he had that down year where everybody thought
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: he was done probably all of his twenty three and
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: he had a pretty good year last year.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Greg, What would be your concern level from a run game,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: standpoint run defense for the Eagles without Zadarias Smith, who
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: was by far and away their tallest and biggest edge rudher,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: there will probably be snaps out there where you have
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a two hundred and twenty six pound at the edge
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and then a two hundred and forty pound ojelari Actually,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I think O two thirty five. I mean they're going
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to be at times very light on the edges. Do
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the Vikings typically run outside zone or inside zone? Not
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that that always matters, by the way, Yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I think they run kind of both. I you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't remember specifically what's a higher
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: percentage run. But you know, Mason is an inside type runner.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: You're not You're not looking to get Mason on the edges, okay,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: because that's not his strength. You know, you've got to
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: play to what his strength is. You know, it's not
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna be tall. Now. I'm not saying you're
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: never gonna run pinpull ever, you know, but he's not
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: a guy you're looking to get on the perimeter. So
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: it has to be tough inside running.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Right and runs inside by you can you can be
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: an inside runner and get a great seal block by
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: your right tackle and your right guard and and sort
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: of squeeze that hole on the right side that's still
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: inside but not necessarily an outside run. And that's where
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the Eagles have to be careful with their lightness. Yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: But I mean, he's uh, he's really one of those
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: guys that's a grinder. You know, he's a sustainer. I mean,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that ultimately when you think about
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell and his background, there was a zone team
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: more than a gap scheme team. So now you get
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: into the delineations jet between the different kinds of zone runs.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: You know, some teams call inside zone, you know, then
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: you get mid zone versus wide zone, stretch zone, is
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: it wide zone? I mean you get into all those delineations,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: and every team sort of you know, names those things
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: differently zone team than a gap scheme.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Stefana says, oh, wide zone, mid zone. Oh, by
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: the way. Now the other kid, the other kids, thirty six,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Zavier Scott. We talked about it briefly with a show
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: early this week. He's a good football player. He's kind
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: of worked his way up. He's now the number two.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones comes back. So he's a big kid. He
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: had a fumble. They benched him briefly a couple of
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: games ago, but he's definitely the backup. You can catch
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: the football. He's greg he's a good player man. This
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: kid from Maine, from Maine.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: He's a big kid too. He's about two hundred and twenty.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: He's a big kid.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: You're gonna see here at third Yeah. The black Bear Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: black Bear right and black Bears. Yeah.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Danny Collins, local Soel Jersey Q to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: play quarterback there. So all right, that's good. We've we've
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: analyzed this game every way we can offensively and defensively,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna end it the same way we always do.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: We are going to predict the score and the MVP.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going, how do you predict?
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: And I'm saying this honestly, sure because I did give
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: this a maybe fifteen seconds of thought today, so appreciate that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, how do you honestly predict what the
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Eagles are right now? I don't know how to do that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: You don't.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Let's say, all of a sudden, the Eagles look like
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: the Eagles. Okay, could they win this game thirty to
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: twenty one? They could? Yeah, you know, let's say they
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: look like the Eagles against this run defense, and all
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, Barkley runs for one fifty I mean
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: the carpet, Yeah, you know, it could. I don't. I
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm and I'm just being honest. I'm just
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: making up a guest here because I have no idea
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: what to expect from the Eagles, you know, because sometimes
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: teams that do have a championship pedigree can get it
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: back together and a certain kind of opponent can help
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: them do that. Or sometimes a team just snowballs, no
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: matter what, in the wrong direction. I don't know where
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: they are right now.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, Greg, give them what you
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: just said. What do you think the line is? I
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: know you don't pay attention to that stuff. I don't
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: have any idea, So it's a good question to ask you.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: What do you think the odds makers think of this game?
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: And I would think that Minnesota would be favored by
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: more than the three and a half points that I
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: think is normally considered like a home advantage. Is that true?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Three points for home?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah? All right, so I would think they'd be favored
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: by more. But again I don't know. You know, this
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: is not my area of expertise.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Clearly, the Eagles are two and a half point road favorites.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: That's because of their pedigree. They're super world champions.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: It's because of everything you just said. Right, People who
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: do this for a living, who make odds don't want
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: to pick that week where the Eagles actually play like
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the Eagles and go and route a team that they're
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: clearly on paper better than, but haven't been playing necessarily better.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Than because we live in a world of so much media,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: social media, and everything gets evaluated week to week. You know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: people like, would I be surprised if all of a sudden,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Barkley ran for one fifty this week? I wouldn't be surprised,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: you know, because of the fact that they're capable of
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: it and the opponent, you know. But on the other hand,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: if he rushed fifteen for forty two, I wouldn't be
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: surprised by that either, you know. Sure, I you know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to answer this. So having said
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: all that, you know, we just analyzed the game, I
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: hope people take the analysis more than my BS pick.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Right now, that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Starts off, Greg, what is your BS.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm going to pick the Vikings, and not
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: because I have any great, you know, fear. I just
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: feel like they're coming off of bye, they're playing pretty
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: good ball. You know, I'm going to pick them to
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: win twenty seven. Just you know, That's what I'm gonna.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Do, all right, And who's your player of the game.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Then you know what, it might sound crazy, don't I'm
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: gonna pick t J. Hockinson.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, really well, if you had said Carson Wentz, the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Eagle fan really thought you would be trolling them.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: So that's Hockinson.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, Hockinson, I like it all right, good, good, Adam?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: What are you about you?
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go? Uh okay, want
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: to go? I'm gonna go.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: So here's what I have.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I have my issues with the Eagles here. With Dickerson, Yes,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: he's been clear to play, but will he last? Carter's
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: clearly not himself. Greg is outlining from his tape study.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: You know he's got this new heel injury. But had
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: he been the man that he was last year, forget
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would have loved the Eagles big in
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: this game. I don't care if Whence is playing well
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: or not. Carter is a home wrecker when he's when
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: he's himself. But but then with Minnesota, I look at
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the problems they have a corner. This is a beatable secondary.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I like.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I like the fact that they're on the carpet here.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: They had a little bit of extra time off I'm
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: going to give the Eagles coaches credit in terms of
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: they know that they've Stout is the chief leader of this.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: He's got to get this run game going. It's his
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: responsibility as the run game designer. I think this is
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a really tight game. Van Kinkill not playing is a
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: huge deal. I cannot underestimate how big of a deal
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: that is. Therefore, going to go with Eagles twenty four
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: to twenty all right, Eagles twenty four.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: At first, I wasn't sure where you were going.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: With I know, I honestly, you freaking write a novel here.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I thought, I'm trying to score.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like you, I have to give people some information. No,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: but anyway, I look it. It's a tough one. But
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm weighing what's gone for both teams. It
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: could go either way.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is uh.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't do must win necessarily. But I'm
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: feeling like these coaches are going to take good use
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: of their time off gout. Yeah I do.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that you gave your most thoughtful, insightful commentary
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: for the part of the show that matters the least.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: That's good, really nice. The score prediction. I did that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: thing where I rationalized, you know, I went back and
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: forth just like we did. You're going to give myself
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: so many reasons to agree with Greg that the Vikings
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: were going to win, and then I decided to pick
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the Eagles anyway, twenty three to twenty So twenty three
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to twenty Yeah, twenty three twenty Saquon Barker is going
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: to be my player of the game. And I just
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: have this feeling it's like a tie game. He breaks
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: a long run with a very little time left field backled,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and he sets up a field goal that they win,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: and they went on and they went ugly on a
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: field goal, and nobody's happy about it. In the long run,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: someone win these days, So that's good.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: That's what I say.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Eagles twenty three, Vikings twenty with Saquon as the m
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: v P. That's gonna do it. For this episode of
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the Inside the Birds pregame show for Greg Cosel, I'm
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and that's Adam Kaplan. We thank you all
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: for watching and enjoy your football