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Episode 351: Meet Dr. Gabriela Caviedes - A New Voice on The Growth Project · The Growth Project

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  Welcome to the Growth Project. This is a podcast brought to you by. And if you are new to the podcast we are a performance psychology practice headquartered in Greenville, South Carolina.
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  And we primarily exist. Really two main reasons to help you be better. Be better for the things that matter most in your life. For the people that matter most in your life. But we also want to help you pursue better. And so if you have a sense of curiosity, a sense of humility, if you were inspired by the work that you do and the life that you were leading, then we hope this Growth Project podcast, finds relevance in your life, that it helps you, pursue the things that matter most to you and so we appreciate your listening.
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  And so thank you for listening. Today's episode really excited. We get to introduce a new employee, a new face, a new voice for the podcast. Doctor Gabrielle's caveat is, and I hope I said that right. I've been nervous about the pronunciation. You did. You got it. Covered it. Yeah. So? So, Gabby, for a short, your second day on the job here at AMP was, moved to Greenville, I guess a couple weeks ago.
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  Was that right? September 20th? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so, so excited to have you join the team. And just want to use today's podcast as a, as a chance for people to get to know you, to understand your background, how you got to where you are, what your what you're primarily going to be focus on here at amplify.
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  So we're so excited for you to be at AMP and so excited for you to be on the podcast. Yeah, I'm excited to be here. It's pretty crazy. You know, I've listened to the podcast here and there and now actually being on it is, you know, full circle moment. So yeah. Yeah I'm excited. Well cool. And so
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  so we always love, I think one of the great gifts and privileges we have in our work is, is people trust is enough to tell their story.
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  Yeah. And we get to use this podcast as a chance to tell our story as well. And we want that to encourage others. So just a little bit of background, you know, where you're from. Had kind of what sparked your interest. What are some of your experiences along the way that helped shape you and shaped your passion for this work?
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  Yeah, kind of go right into it. And if you have questions along the way, just interrupt me, stop me. But, I was born and raised in Houston, Texas.
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  when I was about three years old, we moved to Alabama, lived there for about ten years, then moved back to Houston. So kind of did a bit bop back and forth between Houston and Alabama.
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  Ended up, you know, completing all of high school in Texas. So, so, so, so even before we get to high school, like sports experience, early early sports career, what, you know, in those formative years, very formative years, I was involved in a little bit of everything. My mom always put us in, all the sports. So I tried soccer, I tried volleyball, basketball, I tried gymnastics.
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  My main thing for, about eight years was dance. So. Okay, from when I was really young, I was tap, jazz, ballet, did all of those, classes multiple times a week that performances and, loved it and then really started to transition out of that and got into equestrian showjumping. My aunt is a big horseback rider, and she had horses, and from a young age I'd go visit her and always wanted to get involved with it.
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  But my mom was a little bit hesitant. She thought it was a dangerous sport. Which it is. Yeah, it can be for sure. You know, I've taken many a falls off of a horse. And so yeah, definitely can get injured.
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  finally. And that's my mom when I was around, I think I was around 12 years old to let me really start taking it seriously and competing and, getting into that world.
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  So that was really my sport experience from a young age. And so do you still ride today? Not as much as I would like to. Ever since, you know, college and grad school, I took a step back from it. Anytime I go visit my aunt, though, we ride and I still take lessons. Well, when I was in, living in Tallahassee, I would take lessons every now and then just kind of, you know, stay on it.
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  But, not as regularly as I would like to. I didn't I never got quite into the formal showjumping, but I remember, going to a camp when I was in middle school and we had horses that could jump there. And so I grew up on a farm in Sumter, South Carolina. So I went back and we had these two, paint.
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  We had a paint and a Pinto. Yeah. And I was going to train my horse to jump. And so I built this homemade job, and I couldn't get the words to jump. And so I can vividly remember, I got the ride alone, and I'm running and I'm jumping first, you know, and then trying to get the horse that.
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  And it worked. Oh, I had, I had a but I had a, you know, a Western saddle. So it was not very, formal. I don't think I wore a whole lot of protective gear, along the way. And so we'll talk a little bit more about what sparked your interest in sport psychology. But if you go back and talk about, okay, your mental game.
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  Yeah. What? Like, how would you describe your mental game in your early sport or even riding horses? Gosh, my mental game when I was young was not where it needed to be. I would say that much. I had a lot of fear with jumping. And I think that honestly held me back a lot. I was I wanted to jump big and I wanted to go far with it, but at the same time, my horse, she was a little bit, she was hotheaded and would like to stop right before the jump, the full brakes and fly me forward.
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  So after a few experiences of that, my fear really started to heighten. And my, you know, resistance to it. So mental game wise, when I look back on it, you know, I do think that, I was strong in terms of my motivation. I was strong in terms of resilience. But when it came to not letting my fear hold me back, that was a bit of a struggle for me.
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  Yeah. We talk about intermittent reinforcement being the strong, strongest form of reinforcement. So every now and then that horse stopped. Yeah, I can only imagine that anticipation coming up on a big jump. And we I talk a lot as a cognitive psychologist. You know, you start asking those questions, right? Your brain answers them in a negative way. Is the horse going to jump?
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  Is the horse going to stop? Is is am I going to get thrown off? Yeah. And your brain's like, yeah, you're hard to build that anxiety. And so what do you remember about trying to battle through that, Guys? You know, you take me back a long time ago, but, honestly, battling through it, what helped me is I just got really intentional about counting my strides, and that kept my brain off of the fear.
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  That was one thing that worked well for me with as I'm approaching, I'm just really counting out the strides like four, 3 to 1 and telling myself jump! And that helped a lot. She did still start sometimes. And, you know, it was a struggle. But I think that that was the biggest thing that really helped me know how to deal without fear.
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  We we talked about it again, cognitive psychology. There's positive thoughts. There's negative thoughts which tend to dominate her mind but neutral thoughts. And so those are neutral much very instructional in nature. Yeah. I'm gonna count my strides and I'm gonna say jump. And hopefully, hopefully we're gonna jump. Yeah. How how'd you come up with that trick? Well, I think I just didn't really have the confidence at the time to believe that.
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  You know, if I tell myself I've got this. I knew in my gut I didn't fully trust that at the time. So, I just really thought, you know, all I can do is focus on what I need to focus on in this moment, which is how many strides and when I need to actually lean forward. So that's part of the job.
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  Yeah. So, it really was one of the best distraction methods that I honestly kind of just taught myself. And really have a coach or anyone who told me to do that. My coach did call out strides as we approach. Yeah. So I think that that maybe resonated with me. I was like, okay, she's calling him out.
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  I'm going to just count them in my head now, too. And it worked. And so you haven't been around me enough. But I love quotes. And so one of my favorite ones in success come to those who are too busy. Be looking for it. Yeah. And so that's what your coach is doing. We're calling out the cadence. We're calling out the staff.
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  And so, so focus on the moment, which is where performance takes place. And life happens. I'm not worried about the future. Yeah, exactly. When I can't control it into. I can't control this horse. Right. Yeah. And that's, that's a big part of that sport is, you know, your sense of control is way down. I mean, you're dealing with 1,000 pound animal, right?
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  That you, You can't they have complete control. You know, you can think you have control, but they can do what they want, if they want to. So it's really about building the trust, I think, between you and the horse. But then also managing your emotions. Because I always say, you know, whatever you're feeling, that horse is going to feel.
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  You're anxious, that horse is anxious. I'm thinking so much now around leaders and parents saying that you like, you think you're in control, but you're really not. Yeah. And and number one, you just said, how are you building that trust? How are you building that relationship? Yeah. And and Bill Walsh had a great quote around coaching. He said your enthusiasm becomes their enthusiasm, but your lukewarm interest becomes their lukewarm interest.
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  Your anxiety becomes their anxiety. And they're going to not only feel what you're feeling, they're going to exhibit and think what you're thinking. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So I appreciate you letting us take that past. Yeah. Of course. Graduate high school. We're back in Houston. Yes. And what are you thinking for the future? Where you want to go to school?
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  What are you thinking about majoring in? Yeah. So I was pretty, dead set on going the nursing route and being a nurse anesthetist. I applied to a few schools and Texas, but also applied to the University of Alabama. Ended up getting a full ride. Offered to go there for academics. So I went to UA, and I loved it.
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  Went in as pre-nursing,
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  shortly into that journey found out that that was not the path for me.
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  do you mind me asking, how did you figure that it was a path for you? Yeah, absolutely. So,
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  I'm a big believer that life is going to take you where life takes you. And I remember one day, my freshman year, I was in my dorm room.
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  I had gotten an email from the university saying, hey, we have this opportunity for, a student exchange program. And I was like, oh, that seems interesting. I'll click on it, clicked on it. There were some options. It was really, you know, within the US based, they had the option to do a semester in Hawaii. So I was like, well, that seems pretty cool.
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  I've never been to Hawaii. I think it would be awesome to do a semester out there and just kind of experience something new. So I just applied for it, and found out, you know, pretty quickly that I was accepted for it and that the next fall, so fall of my spring or fall of my sophomore year, I would be doing a semester.
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  And why? So, packed up, went out there and, and when I tell you is an entirely different world, you know, from south, you know, southern living, you guys didn't know it. All of it. All right. Tuscaloosa. Nonetheless, you know, going out to, Oahu and being at the University of Hawaii and, yes, the lifestyle there, it's just so active and, you know, I don't know if you've I'm sure you've heard, but the level of happiness and overall well-being out there is like the highest of any state.
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  And while I was out there, I got really into the active lifestyle, hiking, jogging, weightlifting, all of it, just because that's a part of life. And,
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  I started to realize, hey, hey, like, this is really altering my happiness, my well-being, you know, my overall quality of life. And I got really into this idea of figuring out how all of that is related, how is our physical health and our mental health and our well-being and the way that we think and experience emotions.
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  How is it all related? And the funny part is I just did a Google search. I said, what are some careers that integrate? Well, physical and mental health and found support, exercise psychology? Well, I went down a Google rabbit hole of exploring what that is and what it all entails. And, when I got back to, Tuscaloosa in the spring, I switched my major to kinesiology and said, you know, I know Alabama did not have any sports psychology classes or anything like that, but I knew that was the path I wanted to do.
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  So just went kinesiology and,
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  found some master's programs that I'd be interested in and kept my eye on those and reached out to a local, sports psychologist in the area, doctor Brant McCabe. Yeah, yeah. Asked if I could intern with them, you know, an unpaid. Just let me shadow, let me see what it's like. And, the summer after my sophomore year, I did that and turned with him and got to really see what it was like, being in this field.
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  And from that point on, the rest is history. Awesome. Yeah. And so I love that curiosity. Like the whole theory of career decision making is really based on interest inventories and, you know, strong interest inventory. Big in Florida State on the career decision making, vocational counseling. But, his whole theory was that what you're more naturally, you're more motivated or you're more motivated, you're going to find more success and happiness in what you do.
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  And so I think we put so much pressure on young people to follow a certain path, or certain dreams that are paying attention to what your interests are. Absolutely. And that was a big struggle for me. I, you know, I nobody in my family knew what sports psychology was. To this day, I think, you know, people like my grandmother.
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  Like, what do you. Yeah. What is it you do? And, you know, got a little bit of pushback from them on. Yeah, yeah. Are you sure this is what you want to do? I mean, that's a very big change you're making. And I was like, now I know the fit.
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  So, yeah, it took a lot of trust in myself that this knowing that this is something that I wanted.
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  And I think one of my traits is that when I decide something, I've decided and it's going to be really hard to change my mind. That's good for us to know who.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. That didn't come out on the interview. But yeah, I
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  appreciate you let this. No, no, the problem is I think it's you know, you'll see that in drew and I as well.
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  Yeah.
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  So that may be, characteristic of the way we make our minds up. Yeah. So, so this early vision, I'm. I don't know why. What, like early vision of what you saw your your work being. Yeah. Early vision is totally different from what I ended up doing. Early vision was I wanted to, really go the personal training route, and I was for a while, I went to personal training around with a personal trainer for a few years, and wanted to really be involved with helping people realize the link between being physically active, being, you know, fit and healthy and the effects that that that has on their mental well-being.
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  And just overall, like motivation to do life, you know, and do the things you want to do, and pursue. Right. And yes, I think that I got into the world of personal training. I loved it. And, you know, I still could see myself helping people in that way. But honestly, the way that life panned out is I went to Florida State, and they're a very sport driven program.
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  Not so much on the exercise side. I think when I was there, we had,
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  one other individual in the program who was really focused on the exercise side of things and, you know, we talked about it a bit, but all of my applied work became focused within sports, which was, you know, crazy twist for me because I was not usually involved in any of those sports that I was not working with.
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  So I had no really previous background knowledge on these sports. And I did question myself, oh my gosh, how are these people going to trust me? And am I the expert here? And that was a big battle early on, when I first started consulting. So how did you learn to navigate that? Yeah, well, I, had a great, great mentor supervisor at the time, doctor Greg Towel and Nicole Cabana, who are both, you know, still in the field and doing great work.
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  In the applied world. And they had mentioned to us, they said, you know, your athletes are the experts of their sport. Yes. We want you to go into sports where you have no knowledge of the sport. We want you to go in there and learn and take it as an opportunity to learn from your athletes. Go in there and tell them, hey, you know, you're the expert in your sport.
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  Teach me. I'm the expert when it comes to your mental game, your mental performance. I have the knowledge and the expertise on being able to help you develop these skills that will help you succeed in your sport. And that really stuck with me. And honestly, anytime I go to work with a team or an athlete whose sport I'm not super familiar with, I always tell them, you're the expert in your sport and, I want to learn about it.
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  So expressing that curiosity, and willingness to learn. And then I think there's a piece of it where I also had to do research outside on my own, too, and say, okay, if I'm going to be working with, you know, cheer and dance, I need to learn about what it is they're doing out there and understand the language they use.
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  The terminology they use. So yeah, I remember some of my early like, in the, in the, in the rowing boat at Clemson. And I'm like, I don't know anything about rowing. Yeah. We did a figure skating. You know, the thing here, drew. And a long time ago, I, I know nothing about figure skating. And what I realized is I know very little about even football or basketball, like, being around at such a high level.
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  But people kind of ask me, and our audience has heard this before, you know, who do you love working with the most? What opportunities? And there's three characteristics that I really look for that really get me excited to work with someone or an organization. It's, it's curiosity. Yeah. Humility and passion. Yeah. And Peter Drucker, the great business consultant, said all he did as a consultant that made him good at what he did was to be ignorant and ask a lot of questions.
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  Yeah, yeah. And and I think one of our core values here at AMP is you employees is humility. It is. Yeah. And to me it's a you're the expert on you. You're the expert on your sport. You're the expert on your life. How can we join resources. How can we partner with you to help you be better and pursue better?
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  And I love that your your mentors advise you to say, we don't want to ask our athletes or our leaders, to do things we aren't willing to do, right? Can we get uncomfortable, and really try to learn? Yeah. And vulnerability. I mean, you're not going to make an impact with any of your clients unless you're willing to be vulnerable with them and show them that that's okay.
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  It's okay to not know something. It's okay to be curious and to want to do better, but not quite know how. Yeah. So I think that that's it's huge. I knew how we wouldn't have a job. Exactly. So, so so the big question here that maybe our audience that I'm really interested as well and maybe I know this we've got you know, I've worked with Clinton now for 20 years.
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  Drew's been with Georgia forever. Corey's at Oregon. The big question are we Alabama or Florida State fans that that that's a big question being put on the spot here. My politically correct answer is that my SEC team is Alabama. My SEC.
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  That is not to say that is that is. But I will say
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  when the two played, I rooted for Florida State just recently.
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  So I was actually at the game. Oh wow. Incredible game. That's big. Yeah. It seemed to have different responses after that game to both of those teams. Yeah. One that lost use it as motivation. The one, that one. I'm not quite sure what what happened there. Yeah. No. Yeah. That's a yeah. Sensitive topic. But no, honestly, you know, it's been a struggle for me because, you know, all of my family, I was raised in Alabama, and my mom went to law school at UVA.
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  From a young age, I was going to Alabama football games, you know, and being on that campus. And then I went there. And so it was a big part of my childhood experience. And honestly, I think if Nick Saban were still there, I would still be a diehard Alabama fan. So you're a front runner is what you're saying.
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  So if we so so when they're when they're really good, they're like really good. It's not that. It's not even that. No I know you know it's that pool. It's why you pull for a team is you feel a connection to them. Right. And I think that when I graduated and then it became out of touch with the team, more so.
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  And then Nick Saban left, I was like, I don't really feel a pool to this school anymore. It kind of feels foreign to me in a way now, which is so strange how that happens. And I feel more connected to Florida State. Yeah, because I just graduated there, and I spent six years there, and I was heavily ingrained in the athletics world there.
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  well, we have a pretty big matchup coming up in a few weeks then. So I know that'll be interesting. I know I'm actually hoping I can go to that that game. Yeah. Have you been a game at Clemson I have not oh that'll be fun. We'll work on that. Yeah we'll work on that. So so as you kind of look at this career journey, this career path, what made you choose and plus what made you say, hey, I want to continue my career here.
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  Yeah. You know, this last year for me has been one of a lot of insight and a lot of reflection on what I want my career to look like going forward. I was honestly quite torn between going the more applied consulting route versus academia, and I spent quite a few years teaching at FSU. The undergrad classes and helping out with some of the grad classes as well.
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  And I loved it. I found out I had a real passion for teaching while I was doing that. And so I really was quite torn between the two. And so I thought out opportunities in both realms and went through the interview process, is really trying to get an idea of what the two looks like. And, oh, you know, when I interviewed with Amplats and, there was just so many connections to this company that, felt like it was just too good to be true.
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  You know, all of the connections to that Corey had to FSU and then knowing similar people and just hearing every everybody spoke so highly of the team here. Everybody at FSU. And, it was it was really reassuring to hear that the work that was being done here with up to a certain standard and really making an impact,
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  and that was really my goal, is to with my career, I want to make an impact.
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  I want to help people become the best versions of themselves and learn how to perform at their highest level. And with teaching, you know, you you do that with students.
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  I really was taught I was like, I love doing that developing students. But then I came here and really heard about the work you were doing in the interview process and, saw it really firsthand.
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  And, the impact is widespread. It's not only in sports. It's not only with one population, it's it's with so many. And there's, you know, the medical professional as there is the businesses, there's sports. Yeah. Youth sports all the way up to professional sports. And I was like, that's that's what I want to do. I want to make as big of an impact as possible and as many people lives as possible.
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  Awesome. Well, we're glad you're here. And that's one of the reasons why, you know, we wanted you to be a part of it that help people be the best version of themselves. Why helping them perform at the highest level? You can't. You know, we talking about how do you find harmony between the well-being and performance beast. Guys, I quit using the word balance because to me, when I think about work life balance, it's always a reminder that I'm out of balance.
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  Right? But the harmony? How do I integrate it to love? You know, we're, you know, I graduated with my PhD over 20 years ago, so I'm excited to kind of get some of the latest research and see the latest ideas and integrate and bring your true self and your authentic self and your passion and your curiosity and your interest, and marry it to amp lives here.
• 26:32
  So we're thankful that you're here. So why don't you tell our audience, you know, I love this making an impact. It's why we do what we do. You know, we want people to be inspired. We want people to be encouraged. We want people to learn. We want them to grow. We want to make a difference in their lives.
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  And so we're thankful for that chance to be relevant. Getting started here. What is going to be your primary focus areas as you kind of your own day to hear? Yeah, yeah, I mean, a couple big focus areas for sure, are going to be really expanding with the youth population around the Greenville area and surrounding areas as well.
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  I have a lot of my background is with youth athletes. I love working with them. Oddly enough, I never thought I would say that, because I spent a lot of my time working with college athletes and with dead set that my population got involved with, youth athletes and have loved it. So I'm really excited to help expand into, some of the youth sports here and, start consulting.
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  And then also, like you mentioned, just bringing in a fresh take to some of the content we're putting out and the programs we're putting out and delivering and bringing in new research, new ideas and revamping some things I think will be really, a fun part of this job. Yeah. We're excited to get that going. That's a part of the population we haven't really been able to, service here.
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  Yeah. And so we appreciate your energy and passion and we look forward to the ideas, and inspiration. You're going to help provide. What's one thing that surprised you? You just moved to Greenville three weeks ago. What's one thing that surprised you about Greenville? Just about our community here. Honestly, how nice everyone is. I mean, my boyfriend and I have talked about this.
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  We've said, you know, when we were even planning to move up here, we would we had known some people that lived here and asked them their opinion of the area. And they're like, oh, we love it. Many people about Greenville and everybody loved it there. We have nothing bad to say. You and we're looking at each other sideways for, like, nothing bad to say.
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  I've never heard of any place where the people there say. There's nothing bad to say about it. That we get out here and you know, we're just going about the city, you know, either, going to the grocery store or going out to eat. And I kid you not, every single person we've encountered has been so nice. I'll be in the store or something, and a lady will come up to me like, oh, I love this thing you're wearing.
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  What is that? And then we'll just start chatting.
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  I don't know that I've ever live somewhere where people are so friendly and, just the community sense seems to be really strong. And so I hope that continues. You know, like, I was like, hey, we're growing too much. I heard that. So that would be my only complaint right now.
• 29:20
  I have heard that. But this time of year is a beautiful year. Okay, before I enter in with some rapid questions for you, any anything you haven't said or wanted to kind of communicate today, I think they've gone pretty in-depth there. Yeah, I pretty it's been fun for me to kind of get to just continue to learn more about you.
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  So, so okay, you heard me talk about quotes. What's one of your favorite quotes? One of my favorite quotes. And, you know, I use it all the time is, if you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. And it's something that I adopted. It's kind of like a guiding principle of my life, probably about six years ago, starting grad school.
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  And, you know, it it really was something that changed the way that I approach life. I'm big on preparation now. I'm very Type-A. So it's it's had a that small quote has had a big impact on me. Yeah, I love it. You know, Peyton Manning said preparation reduces anxiety. Yeah it does. Yeah, yeah. And it allows you to perform in that present moment.
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  Okay. Favorite book? It could be fiction or nonfiction. What's your favorite book? Favorite book? I so I really feel like I'm on the floor right now. Intangibles is really good. Yeah. It's baseball related. All about kind of the mental side of, you know, sports and baseball mostly, but, I mean, to have a full to life.
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  And, I think it's all about the things you can't see that make a real difference in your performance. Yeah, I love that. It's trying to. How do we bring those to our conscious mind and how do we try to recreate those, which is like the hardest part of our job because you guys, we're not out here. Strength and conditioning coaches where, you know, we can see your strength increasing.
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  We can see your muscle building. You know, this is all intangible things that we're working on and developing. So awesome. Yeah. One of the benefits of our job is as we grow personally, we grow professionally. As we grow professionally, grow personally. In what way is your professional journey? How is it helped you grow personally? It's it's helped me to not fear just pursuing what I want to pursue.
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  I think growing up, I really felt not necessarily entrapped, but I felt like I had a path and I had to stay on that path. And like I said, the first was to veer off of that was a big decision in my life. And I think ever since then I've had this confidence to not fear doing what I want to do.
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  Or at least trying for the things I want to try for. And, yeah. So I think that that's been huge for me. Yeah. Well, we look forward to being a part of that journey. Yeah. And and we hope we are modeling that as well as a company in terms of how are we pursuing better and how are we having the courage, to take risk and pursue our dreams to me, find meaning in our suffering and do it in community?
• 32:24
  Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, that's again, something that really drew me to this is the core values here are exactly what I like to align my life with. You know, your purpose and pursuing that purpose of pursuing better and just being better every day, life and purpose. Do I like to pursue purpose in pursuit? But we
• 32:43
  we may.
• 32:43
  We may change. There you go. No. Yeah.
• 32:46
  You know already sprinkling in some. Yeah. Some adjustments. Yeah. No, I love it. Yeah. Well, this is, fun for me. We look forward to I as I said, being a part of your journey, we look forward to your insight on the podcast, and we look forward to your contributions to our life and our work, as well as our clients.
• 33:04
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