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This Podcast Has To Feel Like Play - EP017 · Freedom Flip

• 0:00
  They call it the news, they should call it the old. I know my brain can't handle that, a level of stress of all the problems, so I unsubscribed from the news because it's not new. It's the same stuff again and again. That is out of my life and I want it to stay out of my life. But what happened the last two weeks? I don't give a what happened the last two weeks. And maybe there is something that is attractive for us, but I don't want to be the regurgitating of the newspapers or anything like that. I like when we are just shooting this. The stuff we talk about is wisdom. I get really excited about
• 0:27
  influencing the young minds with a different perspective that is commonly put out there in news, movies, social media. Imagining young Pablo in Argentina and a young Peter in high school watching this and having this form is just an exciting perspective. It's not the only one, but it is one group that I get very excited about the influence of them being like, oh, wow.
• 0:47
  I feel like an alien in my school and class. This sounds more like what I imagine myself being in when I'm 40 years old. This is exciting. That is part of what gets me over the fear of being public or putting myself out there to get destroyed and emojis and criticized and attacked and blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh, man. Yeah, I'll take the hate if I could really help some kid accelerate his or her journey. You're saying someone that would blackmail us would be like, oh,
• 1:10
  you know, you said hated Bill and it's just crazy stuff. And the worst thing is I'm not that interesting. Like where I tell the world I am and where I am are relatively close. Like those things only really work when it's like, I'm the pastor of the mega church and I say I'm great. And you know, at home I'm touching little boys. Like they're doing crazy stuff. That's what gets the world's attention, right? Because there's such a difference in alignment from what they present to who they are. If it's like, yeah, we kind of knew Peter was blah. It's like, nobody cares. It's not news.
• 1:41
  It was a movie called Office Space. No. I haven't seen this movie in like 20 years. It came out probably when we were like high school, college age. The main character's name is Peter. And he's stuck in like your Argentine corporate life where like everyone hates their life. And that he has three bosses and they all come and always ask the same. They're like, you got that TPS report done? Yeah, is that done?
• 2:00
  Yeah. And there's a guy who's the IT support guy that his office is in the basement and they keep trying to fire him. But instead, they just keep moving his office to like a worse and worse place. OCD about his red stapler. And basically, the movie's hysterical. You probably aren't going to watch it, right? Should I just give you the best line or my favorite memory from it now?
• 2:19
  If you say that I have to watch it, I will watch it. You should watch it, but he becomes discreetly. What is the name? The Office Space? Office Space. He basically hates his whole life. Okay, got it. I see, with a guy with a lot of sticky notes. Yes, that's it. Comedy, dark comedy, 1999. All right, got it. How do you like the robe edition? This worked out really well. I didn't know if you'd have a... Open for business. Peter is open for eggplants, so... Drop the emojis. Drop the emojis there. Go for it.
• 2:50
  How do you feel so far with the podcast? Let's call it.
• 2:53
  The only negative, I'll start with negative and then flip to positive. The only negative I could have had is gone. Everything feels positive now. The only negatives were the first time I had to commit to something, like the only thing I had on my calendar committed to, other than our group kind of came same time later, but the group's not every week and yada yada. So it's the only weekly commitment I have. That was uncomfortable. And then the only negative was it created a level of tension in my life when it was before 10 a.m. or 9.30 or whatever.
• 3:22
  trying to balance those and those are gone so with those gone dude i love it i mean every single part of it more time with you love that more deep thoughts love that more upgrades whether it's my laptop or you know my whatever having free it support love that uh
• 3:41
  talking big ideas, whether or not we went forward together, you know, separately or didn't, I didn't do it at all. Love that. You know, I wanna be around people talking about ideas, not other people or events. And an excuse to bring the best minds or people into the mix, which like, like even just saying that, I'm like, oh, we should probably get Evan on the 16 year old who's like just raised a million bucks. And how's he doing this at 16 for both parents that get to see it, us thinking about our own kids and just what's he learning, growing, is he ready?
• 4:11
  Having an avenue that gets me excited about looping that in in a permanent way that we can hand to our kids or others. Amazing. Let's flip to the final piece of how do I feel about that publicly? I just don't really care. There is a lack of ability. This is the breakthrough I really...
• 4:26
  like, right? You've been a great influence on me of creating clarity of boundaries or expectations to where I don't overextend myself, which is historically something that I have done. Trying to help the other person end up frustrating the other person because I've extended beyond something that I'm capable to deliver on.
• 4:43
  And that was a great learning lesson for me and a reminder of, I need to be way better about just communicating, hey, I can't do this. I can do this. Because otherwise, I'm setting anything up, whether it's a business, a meeting, a relationship for failure with a, quote, good intention gone bad. It's me being, I'm thinking political applications of this, but I won't get into it right now. It's like, they've got great intent. It just screwed everything up. Like, that was me.
• 5:10
  I had an intent to be flexible for someone because of his time zone. And I just created problems. With those gone, right? And those took whatever, maybe six episodes, seven episodes, maybe even 10. I don't remember. I feel like I grew through that process. For you, maybe 100% play. For me, there's not 100% play because unless I put in some work, this doesn't happen. So it is what it is.
• 5:35
  Can you tell me more about that just on the background? So I had to put a lot of work. If I look at it in the past, I'm like, okay, the microphone, the this, the that, the camera, the positioning of the camera, the charger laptop, you close everything. So I'm still kind of like working for you in that sense, which is not ideal. And I hope that you grow to become an independent boy.
• 5:59
  And you can, you know, leave house and get a girlfriend or a boyfriend. You know, there is a lot of eggplants in the comments. So you can just go there, whatever you want. It's totally fine. No, we don't judge in this family.
• 6:13
  I did live in my grandparents' old 20s, Pablo. It may not happen. Exactly. But you know what? When they passed away, I had to move on. So that, yeah, it's a little bit of work on that sense. Is it getting better? Yeah. Was it very bad? Yeah. So is it in a place where it's total freedom from my side? No. I am thinking about the future of this. Now, that is not needed. This is just me thinking about the future.
• 6:39
  Everything else, I think that it is needed for this to be great, rather than great meaning that we can put this into the world for whoever we want. So it gets crystallized forever. I think that that is important. And yeah, that is a little bit of work. But I don't know, I would say it is 90, 85% play, 15% work. Let's call it like that. And it started much more similar. I don't know, I want to say 50-50, but then it's growing in the right direction.
• 7:05
  What could help that? Have you thought of anything that you don't like today that would help that? If you get a brain surgery, that would be great.
• 7:13
  If you learn how to put your pants on, you know, with the underwear on the inside, not the outside. One day you stop using diapers. That would be great. You know, that will never happen. I don't use that so often. So what would help? I think that is what would help us would be you taking the responsibility of like, OK, what are the things that I keep hearing Pablo repeating to me? OK, he told me how many times he told me to have the computer charged more than one, more than two, more than three.
• 7:40
  All right. This is great. This is great feedback. I'm being a baby on this side, right? So I have to, if it's a new thing, it's a new thing. Yeah. You know what I'm going to do? I got a great idea on this. Create a system. I love systems. Truly what you're doing right now with me is fun because I'm just going to create a little sheet next to the laptop that has the steps I'm screwing up or that I'm most likely to screw up.
• 8:01
  The other way of thinking about it would be, at least for me, if I was in your shoes, is more than one of the things that I would screw up is, what are the things that I don't want Pablo to repeat for the second time? Oh, he told me to charge the computer every time? Okay. I don't want that he tells me for the second time. Yeah. Oh, now he told me three times? Jesus. Okay. I don't think that is necessary to do that.
• 8:21
  The other thing that I would say, I love your kids. And also being mindful of, because I know that sometimes, you know, we had a couple of meetings that he interrupted like five times. And I don't know, maybe that was you were on vacation. But for example, I liked a lot today when you say, it's better if we do it now because later the kids are at home and we're going to get a lot of interruptions. That, it helps me understand what should I expect. There are going to be a lot of interruptions, then maybe we don't do it. Or maybe we just, we play Pac-Man with each other.
• 8:51
  I think what it was, was they had fall break that week. So we had our normal times, but they didn't have school. That don't matter to me. Yeah, no, for sure. I don't need the explanation. I'm not asking you for the explanation. And I also don't say that that's an excuse. Like what happened, happened. It's more me thinking, what are the things that gave me friction or gave me a sense of work? And I'm like, oh, okay. I think that that a little bit.
• 9:12
  Okay, the situation is unexpected. We're having a call. So today's another example. We unexpectedly decided to do a call on a weekend. We haven't done this before. I woke up and I'm awake at, you know, 5.30 in the morning. And I'm like, oh, this is really quiet. This is probably a good time. Now I can spend more time with my kids. I can have fewer distractions on the call. Let's see if Pablo is available. I'll add that note. I'll think, inform Pablo or mention, yeah, that makes sense. Mention kids and interruptions as much as possible.
• 9:40
  And I think that that's it. That's something that will help me a lot go from, let's say, 85% play, 15% work, even though the 15%, maybe it's more cognitive load than that. But that will help me a lot for me to get closer to 99% play, which is where you are and which is where I want to be.
• 10:01
  Amazing. These are very achievable and this makes it very clear and I'm going to put it along the notes that say put your pants on. Don't forget underwear. You can forget underwear and all the other reminders I use. Well, thank you for asking and for taking notes about that brother. Appreciate it.
• 10:19
  Let's flip it. Let's go to why we wouldn't and why we would. I think it could add a level of expectation or, you know, and not that let's assume nobody watches, right? Just we're like, oh, you got to produce every two weeks and, you know, or every week. And it just could feel more like a job. This is a problem that doesn't exist. So I'm just throwing out there. It's not currently the case.
• 10:41
  And what I would say is I feel like that without publishing it, not from we need to record this, we need to get this done. But it's more like, hey, this is amazing. We have a very good. Let's just keep let's not become lazy. I know because I had a couple of weeks of excuses because I was out. No, no, no, no. Let's just come back. Come on. Let's go. Maripaula, I'm landing. OK, let's put it. So that's that's what it is.
• 11:05
  And we're feeling good energy and growth internally from it, which we want to continue. And so let's flip to what I think is I would like. And maybe this is an ego thing that doesn't really matter. Did you think about, do you remember that we talked about vaccines, right? This topic nobody wants to touch or that's supposed to be controversial. And like two weeks later, it all was all over the national headlines.
• 11:25
  Maybe it was a month later. One thing that I think is cool is that if we do have friends or people or whoever that find this interesting, putting it out timely, right, is cool because I think we're usually right at or ahead of this curve of what's being interesting to discuss. And it's like, it's cool to have it publicly in a domain as a little bit of a
• 11:42
  Whether it's a timestamp for our own egos or just like if we can influence anyone's opinion in a positive way, having it out there as it comes versus an archive that's just sitting, you know, collecting dust. And by the time, you know, we publish something on vaccines six months now after people like, oh, yeah, we all figured out, you know, these things are being reviewed now or what, you know, or certain ones. Right. Or whatever we talked about during the call.
• 12:06
  I don't know why, but that keeps popping in my head. It's interesting what you're saying. I have kind of like a very different view on that. So let me share my thought about it. When I see podcasts that are not, what is it, the opposite of evergreen? Timely. Timely. Let's just say the podcast. If you go and you listen to the podcast this week, podcast is talking about what happened in the last seven days. This week? Which thoughts? And it's...
• 12:33
  puts basically the show together. Yeah. It really serves him to bring his popularity up, which is great for his business and whatever he wants to achieve. Yeah. He's put in the work. He's been an employee. Yeah. He's been a little bit.
• 12:49
  sucks with the big dong he just shows up whatever the right but so i don't really want to run an agenda you're spot on that would stress me out i'm like peter the last two weeks we didn't do anything okay we need to put something what happened the last two weeks i don't give
• 13:06
  what happened the last two weeks and maybe there is something that is attractive for us and we could talk about it but i i don't want to be the regurgitating of the newspapers or or anything like that i like much more when we are just shooting this i know my brain can't handle that a level of stress of all that i dislike a problem that i just happened or something that we want to talk about
• 13:27
  That is out of my life and I want it to stay out of my life. Charlie Kirk happened when they killed him and we want to talk about that. We want to talk about that. Of course, because it's something in our minds and it's something even bigger than Charlie that we want to discuss. So that is the main reason why I love the idea of evergreen conversation, which I think that if I'm just going to throw a random number here based on my intuition, if I look at what percentage of the minutes that we spent talking...
• 13:55
  How many of those minutes are evergreen or timely? I would say 80, 20 or 90, 10, I would guess. So why would I want to change it? I don't want to change it. When I mentioned about, hey, let's prepare, it's not about, hey, check the headlines in the news, make sure that you know what CNN said, so then we can have a proper discussion about the missile attacking, whatever. Like, I don't want to do that. Yeah. There's a lot of shows for that. I prefer to talk about that we are interested in life because that's when it doesn't feel like work.
• 14:23
  I mean, back to what you said, right? We want that this feels like play. I agree with you. Yes, that's exactly what I want. Just keeping up with the headlines. For me, it's going to feel like work. For you, I believe that it's going to feel terrible, even more than work. I unsubscribed from that in college news and that stuff.
• 14:40
  If you agree with what I'm saying, try to bridge with your previous thought to see. My previous thought goes in the trash. It's purely an ego thing. Truly. What you described is knowledge of being timely. What we're discussing is wisdom, which is forever. I don't care about knowledge.
• 14:56
  I don't care about the score of the game last night. I don't care about the star who got divorced. I don't care about, you know, I do, I have empathy and sadness for some missile thing or some stabbing across the globe somewhere in the world. I know my brain can't handle that, a level of stress of all the problems. So I unsubscribed from the news because it's not new. It's the same stuff again and again. That is out of my life and I want it to stay out of my life. They call it the news. They should call it the olds. The olds.
• 15:24
  No, that's the old. It's just a replay. Same as last week. Spot on. The stuff we talk about is wisdom. The only reason I think it kept coming to my head is there's like a confirmation of the intuition of what is important and how it comes up. And the fact we're talking about something and a month later it's all over, you know, and we view it more as wisdom as it's an example of, you know,
• 15:45
  challenging things or thinking through this this hairy topic that people have strong opinions on and a month later it's like what everyone's talking about but that's pure ego it doesn't matter so every single part of it trash like delete drag to the trash folder 1990s it's in the trash okay cool so what do we do then
• 16:04
  I think right now we're throwing everything in the closet. It's time for us to come out of the closet. And I'm saying that to be funny, but I mean, also, you know, it's all stacking up and it just creates more of a like, ah, you know, going through that. I don't think we should ever go through it. We need to hire someone. You know, the executive producer role is a little bit different for us because we don't really want someone telling us what to do or what to cover or like that stuff. Like that's going to be like, hi, Bill. Thanks. Okay. You done now?
• 16:28
  But having someone that's doing the more 80% of the prep and giving us final products to like do a final check or like see or taking the long ones and making short clips, that's fun. Like that feels like a very helpful, supportive. We're going to get energy by seeing their like awesome clips and cuts and all that. And I've been blown away by the guy that Hunter with High School Hustle hired and what he's been pumping out.
• 16:50
  That I've watched, I've watched that work well for us in the nonprofit. I'd be very interested to see how that would work for us in this. The approach that I have seen people like Anastasia or Justin Donald is that they take, they don't take this approach. They take the approach of they just do one thing and then do a little bit of the other things. And then they post in a couple of places. I disagree with that approach. My belief is if we're going to do it. Let's really do it.
• 17:16
  We buy a microphone and we have good sound. We have a good camera. Yeah. We do it properly. X also to put the clips, the shorts, the everything. And then the shorts, of course, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube shorts, Facebook reels, that's basically everything. And my thought is like, well, if you're going to do it, let's go.
• 17:43
  Let's go. The part that I am struggling is like, how do we go? What is the process from? Okay, what I want is the best of the best. Okay, go get it done. Thank you. Bye bye.
• 17:53
  I like this stuff. And I mean, you've done plenty of good IT support and technical stuff. I'm happy to take a shot at it. And you can just, hey, this, after a week, whatever, 10 days, this didn't work well. A mix of kind of playbooks I've used to hire, whatever we use to hire the guy that we're using for High School Hustle, the nonprofit,
• 18:13
  And I'll take a shot with my assistant to just see if that works great. If it doesn't, come back to the drawing board. But my question is not about how do we hire a person. Imagine that we have a person, person X. How do we go about, okay, sir, here it is. These are all the passwords. Here is like 30 hours of videos. I want that you have a very beautiful 90-minute podcast. And then you create as many clips as you can from that. And as many shorts as you can from that.
• 18:41
  My answer is to flip it. We hire two people. We say we want to see who's best at doing what you just said. You got a month to figure it out. And we pick the one that we like most. We filter it down to two. I'm not explaining correctly. My question is more about are we going to review every single episode to make sure that they blipped everything, that everything got done properly, that they blur the face of your kids, etc., etc., etc.? My own view is most likely...
• 19:09
  you know, the 25 hours I would enjoy, and maybe this would change, but if it were finalized and it was awesome and it was clean and he did it. And then, you know, the guy who works with me does a final check, a check. And then I I'm, I'm the rubber stamp. That seems fun. Explain rubber stamps, like a term. I don't even know where it comes from, but it basically means it should all be already good to go. I'm just checking it as a final final.
• 19:36
  So you mean you would check, you would watch the whole thing? 20 hours of polished videos? Yeah. Let's just think how this goes terribly wrong. Yeah? Yeah. The guy creates a great 90 minutes. He blips everything that he needed to blip. He blurs the face when we are saying something that we wanted blipped. He cut out whatever we said that we wanted to cut out in the 90 minutes.
• 19:59
  You check that, everything is okay. Then in the shorts, he forgets to do that. And somehow the shorts go with all the shit that we don't want to go out. So you are talking about 30 hours, but the 30 hours multiplied by a million. So that's my question. How do we do that? I like this stuff. This is just creating a system. My system would be, he doesn't do anything except with...
• 20:22
  The first step is take the raw content, cut it down to approved. Okay, two and a half hours becomes an hour and a half. Everything that gets produced from the full hour and a half that goes live to the shorts are from that approved hour and a half. Okay, so that way you verify only the podcast and then everything else just goes from there.
• 20:44
  Yeah, and then he's playing with it. But the same way we set up a system of how we do calls, that's just playing. And this actually is played to me. Creating systems of that structure is fun. Hear you. Good. Perfect. You can take care of that. You are going to watch that. Of course, that I'm going to watch at the beginning because I have an idea of what I want or what I don't want. The other question that I have is...
• 21:06
  How do you make sure, what system do you put in place to prevent the person to go rogue and grab that piece of material that you said, don't publish that, and the person cut it, but somehow they save it into their vault and then et cetera, et cetera.
• 21:22
  I think, you know, that's like the edge case of, I haven't had anything like that happen in my life because, you know, luck, God, who knows. But I think I treat people as I want to be treated with respect. And I have people around me that help me filter out those, you know, one of them, to read this person. You have more than one? Yeah. Huh, you're never sure of that. Sneaky. Yeah, I have. Sneaky, sneaky. You naughty, naughty boy.
• 21:53
  I look at that as just realistically about a 1% edge case risk and anything I'm going to do in my life, I want to minimize the likelihood down to as low in the 1% below 1% range, but there's no way to fully extricate that. I feel very confident on my systems to basically filter out those people early on. And then I want to lean on as much trust after they get through the filter, lean on them where I just get over it and move on.
• 22:19
  Because basically you're saying someone that would blackmail us would be like, oh, you know, you said you hated Bill and it's just crazy stuff. And the worst thing is I'm not that interesting. Like where I tell the world I am and where I am are relatively close.
• 22:37
  Like those things only really work when it's like, I'm the pastor of the megachurch and I say I'm great. And, you know, at home I'm touching little boys like or, you know, have like they're doing crazy stuff. That's what gets the world's attention. Right. Because there's such a difference in alignment from what they present to who they are.
• 22:53
  If it's like, yeah, we kind of knew Peter was blah, it's like nobody cares. It's not news. Okay, so we are game then. Would you make the person sign an NDA, a contract, something like that, I guess? Okay, perfect. So what do we do? How do we go about this? One is, you know, hiring someone. I could take the lead. I think that what we are doing, which is we just need to meet every week. Should the...
• 23:19
  And we just drop a lot of gems and hot takes. And like, we do us, basically. We just do whatever we do all the time. We just need now someone that is capable of grabbing that and translating it in a way, not translated, but just make it look amazing. Even with the robe, I mean, it's gonna make it look amazing.
• 23:43
  I love it. So here's what I'd say. I'm happy to take lead. Let's break it down. There's a task of just getting a big group of potential candidates, running them through a filter, aligning kind of what we want. That's one. There's a task of NDA paperwork, what I'll call it like a legal task of like, do we feel comfortable with this? There's a task of when it's done, raw file is converted into a final format of approved information. Yeah.
• 24:10
  You know, that's a third task and reviewing that. I feel like one is like something I relatively enjoy. I'm happy to take lead on that. And, you know, maybe the 30 to 40 candidates can filter down to three. You know, I would love to have your, you know, Argentinian chainsaw. I'm like, hey, here's three people I think seem pretty good. Let's convince them to not do this. Of course, I'm going to meet with them too also.
• 24:33
  The legal, we can use kind of chat GPT, a lawyer after, but that doesn't feel as exciting to me. And it's definitely a lower we can talk about. It's not a lot of work, right? It's just more of, hey, here's an NDA we feel comfortable or here's what we're going to define. The third one, reviewing the final hours, I'm happy to do them. I think it'll end up being probably two-thirds of the raw. So it'd be like...
• 24:56
  whatever, 10 two-hour videos. Maybe I'm wrong on this. Maybe I'm going to be kicking myself. I'm happy to do part of that. I still think it's a good idea. You're probably a little bit more particular about what does and doesn't get bleeped or included. I think it's probably a good idea for both of us to do. And it's also a chance to hear ourselves and be like, man, Peter, you talk too much. You got to start handing it off to Pablo. Or you're watching something like, man, why do I, my angle's off? Or I don't like, I noticed 10 of these, this looks great. And 10 of these, this looks bad for me.
• 25:26
  And just the visual, you're so much better at this aesthetic stuff. I think I'm good at hearing the 20 hours and kind of thinking more trends and, you know, I can put myself in the shoes of young Peter, young Pablo. So I think it's a good thing for both of us to do. I don't know why you keep saying young Peter, young Pablo. I mean, people are going to be, 60 years old are going to be listening to this. Basically, my goal would be to have two candidates of a group of 10 to 20 by...
• 25:56
  the end of two weeks. Amazing. Yeah. I mean, I've been hired for something like this. I've hired a lot of people, so I feel confident enough to try that. Amazing. Pablo, I actually love even an episode like this because...
• 26:14
  It's cool to have, both for us and both for someone who's like, oh, how do they think about projects? And how do they approach this stuff? And how do they go through building something? And this is what's interesting, right, about do we want it or not? I don't know. When I watch it and someone's tried to cut it to clean it, I'll have a very good, clear opinion. Yes.
• 26:34
  When I say little Pablo and little Peter, it's not that I don't think we'll have older audience. I'm saying I get really excited about influencing the young minds with a different perspective that is commonly put out there in news, movies, social media. And, you know, imagining a young Pablo in Argentina and a young Peter in...
• 26:55
  in high school, watching this and having this form is just an exciting perspective. It's not the only one, but it is one group that I get very excited about the influence of them being like, oh, wow, I feel like an alien in my school and class. This sounds more like what I imagine myself being in when I'm 40 years old. This is exciting. That is part of what gets me over the fear of being public.
• 27:17
  or putting myself out there to get destroyed and emojis and criticized and attacked and blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh man, yeah, I'll take the hate if I can really help some kid accelerate in his or her journey. Perfect, brother. Okay, I am going to go to sleep now. Go to bed. Love you, man. Love you. Peace.