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The Deep Dive: How "The Nata'"s Obsession with Debt and Dependency Spiraled into a Calculated Murder in Minya · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep dive today. We're stepping away from
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  Speaker 1: our usual analysis to really dig into a well, a
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  Speaker 1: deeply unsettling personal story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a case study, really shocking too. It combines
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  Speaker 2: this cold calculation with sheer, greed and honestly desperation, and.
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  Speaker 1: It all unfolds in this small Egyptian village menu a
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  Speaker 1: very specific backdrop.
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  Speaker 2: We're focusing on a man the locals called the Nata.
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  Speaker 2: It's an Arabic term, quite derogatory, meaning what exactly it
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  Speaker 2: means a dependent man, someone who just refuses to pull
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  Speaker 2: their own weight, prefers to live off others entirely.
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  Speaker 1: And our mission our deep dive today is to understand
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  Speaker 1: what happens when someone like that, whose whole identity is
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  Speaker 1: built on.
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  Speaker 2: Dependency, sees that source, maybe a marriage, a deal vanish
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  Speaker 2: It led to something truly catastrophic.
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  Speaker 1: Here we want to trace how a calculated marriage, basically
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  Speaker 1: a transaction for wealth, spirals into murder just to escape debt.
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  Speaker 2: It's a chilling path.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's jump right into the critical moment. It's five
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  Speaker 1: point zero zero am. Picture this rental apart in Mina.
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  Speaker 1: It's quiet, early.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, very quiet, except for you know, the breathing. Two
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  Speaker 2: people sleeping, one wide awake. That's Ahmed, the.
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  Speaker 1: NATA, and he's waiting right listening for his wife Iman
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  Speaker 1: to fall properly asleep. She was drugged, wasn't she.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the fact suggest. His plan was incredibly precess,
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  Speaker 2: almost robotic.
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  Speaker 1: Get the knife at five am, kill her, cover.
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  Speaker 2: The body right, then leave for work at six am
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  Speaker 2: like nothing happened. He taught at a local school.
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  Speaker 1: And the plan was to discover her body later like
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  Speaker 1: four pm.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly established that perfect alibi, steer suspicion away, calculated.
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  Speaker 1: The act itself. It was brutal. The details are grim.
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  Speaker 2: They are multiple stab wounds, and her throat was fully slit,
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  Speaker 2: a complete slaughter, as the source described it. And then
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  Speaker 2: he just the plane covered her and their daughter, just
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  Speaker 2: two months old, was right there in the crib nearby.
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  Speaker 1: He executed the core plan.
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  Speaker 2: But then the unexpected, always the unexpected, isn't it six
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  Speaker 2: point am the doorbell Iman's mother, his mother in law, unannounced?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, talk about a wrench in the works. His
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  Speaker 1: perfect timing just.
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  Speaker 2: Shattered, instantly threatened. He had to think fast, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 2: cold reaction. What did he do He relied on two things,
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  Speaker 2: apparently her age and the fact her eyesight wasn't great,
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  Speaker 2: so he.
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  Speaker 1: Just made sure the body was covered properly.
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  Speaker 2: Quickly. Yes, met her at the door and delivered this
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  Speaker 2: huge lie, which was that Iman had gone out really
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  Speaker 2: early to buy breakfast. He said, left the baby.
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  Speaker 1: And she bought it for the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievably. Yes, she was concerned maybe, but maybe knew her
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  Speaker 2: daughter could be difficult sometimes. She took the baby to
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  Speaker 2: look for Imen and he just went to work as planned,
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  Speaker 2: walked out the door.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible nerve, but the clock was ticking faster than he thought.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely by noon twelve zero pm, the mother in law
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  Speaker 2: knew something was deeply wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, leaving a two month old for hours is
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  Speaker 1: just for breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't head up exactly. So she filed a missing
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  Speaker 2: person report and because of the infant, the police treated
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  Speaker 2: it with extreme urgency.
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  Speaker 1: So they started investigating immediately, long before his plan four
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  Speaker 1: pm discovery.
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  Speaker 2: Way ahead of schedule. His plan was already falling apart.
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  Speaker 1: The crime failed quickly, but the mindset behind it that
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  Speaker 1: goes way back. We need to understand this guy, the
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  Speaker 1: NATA right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's rewind back to around two thousand and four. Ahmed,
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  Speaker 2: he's a college graduate, darl ulum, a teacher.
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  Speaker 1: So educated, articulate, very much.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently quite eloquent, could easily fool people, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But his main goal in life wasn't teaching, was it
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  Speaker 1: not even close.
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  Speaker 2: His sole ambition, and he was open about this, was
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  Speaker 2: to marry rich, find a woman who'd support him completely,
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  Speaker 2: no work needed.
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  Speaker 1: Where did he even get that idea?
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  Speaker 2: He was inspired, apparently by a friend who'd done something similar.
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  Speaker 2: Married wealthy, defrauded her, took her property.
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  Speaker 1: He saw that as success as a goal.
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  Speaker 2: It seems so. He saw that frauster as a role model,
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  Speaker 2: a path to follow.
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  Speaker 1: Us that's worped. So this ruled his decisions, even in
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  Speaker 1: relationships completely.
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  Speaker 2: When he was twenty seven, he had a chance to
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  Speaker 2: marry a doctor, educated, beautiful, good family. Sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: great match objectively, yes, but he rejected her.
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  Speaker 1: Why let me guess, not rich enough exactly?
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  Speaker 2: She was financially stable like him, but not wealthy enough
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  Speaker 2: to support him entirely. Mutual effort wasn't the dream?
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  Speaker 1: Dependency was wow, rejecting stability for a fantasy. Even though
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  Speaker 1: he was educated, had.
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  Speaker 2: A job, That's the core of the Nada idea, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about earning, it's about receiving what you feel
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  Speaker 2: entitled to.
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  Speaker 1: So when the local rich wife didn't materialize, he shifted.
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  Speaker 2: Gears around age twenty eight to twenty nine. Plan b
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  Speaker 2: get a high paying job abroad, maybe Kuwait, find the
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  Speaker 2: rich wife there.
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  Speaker 1: But he needed a way in right, a connection, and.
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  Speaker 2: That's how he targeted Mahmood, a guy working in Kuwait.
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  Speaker 2: Ahmed befriended him specifically for a job referral.
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  Speaker 1: And Mahmoud had a sister he did Iman.
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  Speaker 2: She was twenty eight, considered a bit older for marriage
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  Speaker 2: in their community. Crucially, though, their deceased father left them
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  Speaker 2: a lot land money inheritance.
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  Speaker 1: So Amand became the target a wealthy woman, and the
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  Speaker 1: Kuwait job was the lure for Ahmed precisely.
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  Speaker 2: But here's where it gets interesting. Amand's family, especially her
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  Speaker 2: brother Mahmoud, they weren't blind to Ahmed's motives.
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  Speaker 1: They knew he was desperate for money.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they knew, but they stood engaged. They had their
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  Speaker 2: own angle. Mahmood proposed the deal.
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  Speaker 1: What were the terms sounds transactional.
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  Speaker 2: Already brutally so Ahmed Mary's imen. He signs a mar
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  Speaker 2: a dowry debt for sixty thousand Egyptian.
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  Speaker 1: Pounds okay, fifty thousand EGP, and in return he gets
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  Speaker 1: the promise of the Kuwait job referral and importantly, a
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  Speaker 1: share in one of Iimand's three plots of land.
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  Speaker 2: And Ahmed jumped at it.
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  Speaker 1: Instantly, didn't hesitate, ignored his own parents, who strongly advised
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  Speaker 1: against it.
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  Speaker 2: Why did they object?
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  Speaker 1: They warned him about Aiman's family, said they had a
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  Speaker 1: terrible reputation for constant fighting. Problem. Yeah, just chaos, but.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't listen, blinded by the prospect of wealth completely.
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  Speaker 1: But the deal started souring almost immediately. How So Mamood
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  Speaker 1: goes off to Kuwait and cuts contact. No job referral materializes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and I'men.
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  Speaker 1: She moves in temporarily with Ahmed's parents, but almost right
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  Speaker 1: away she starts picking fights, not with them but with
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  Speaker 1: their neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: When the name seemed like a tactic to create tension,
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  Speaker 2: force a move, it worked. Ahmed had to separate from
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  Speaker 2: his parents and then second month, I'man gets pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: So things are moving fast, but not the way Ahmed planned,
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  Speaker 1: not at all.
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  Speaker 2: He starts demanding the land transfer he was promised. That's
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  Speaker 2: when Eman seemed to realize, Okay, this is what he's
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  Speaker 2: really after. And her reaction she escalates the conflict, more fighting,
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  Speaker 2: this time, maybe more directly, involving his parents too, forcing
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  Speaker 2: him to find that rental apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Then she makes her move big time.
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  Speaker 2: Three months into the marriage, she leaves him, moves out,
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  Speaker 2: then demands he provide that separate rental apartment, and if
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  Speaker 2: he refuses, she threatens to sue him for the sixty
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  Speaker 2: thousand EGP mar he signed, which he couldn't pay, so
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  Speaker 2: jail time loomed.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, she knew how to use leverage. The teacher was outplayed.
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  Speaker 2: Cornered, and his reaction to being cornered was well, it
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  Speaker 2: was bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: What did he do?
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  Speaker 2: He tried to flip the scripts legally. He bought poison.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, don't tell me.
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  Speaker 2: He took it himself, then filed a police report accusing
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  Speaker 2: Imen of trying to murder him.
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  Speaker 1: He poisoned himself to frame her. That's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Oh ah, it sounds crazy, right, but it was tactical.
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  Speaker 2: He was trying to gain positional strength as they say,
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  Speaker 2: meaning he figured a serious criminal charge attempted murder against
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  Speaker 2: her would force her to drop her civil suit for
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  Speaker 2: the sixty thousand EGP debt. He thought it would paralyze her.
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  Speaker 1: Did it work?
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  Speaker 2: Not a chance. Iman was apparently used to legal fights.
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  Speaker 2: She calmly provided an ironclad alibi, and then somehow, maybe
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  Speaker 2: through lawyers or contacts, showed the police it was obvious
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  Speaker 2: he'd poisoned.
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  Speaker 1: Himself, so the charge was dropped.
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  Speaker 2: He had to drop it, gained nothing, Actually he lost.
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  Speaker 1: And Aimen didn't stop there, did she.
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  Speaker 2: No, she pressed her advantage before she'd even consider returning.
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  Speaker 2: She forced him to sign another promissory note, this time
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  Speaker 2: for one hundred thousand EGP.
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  Speaker 1: On top of the sixty thousand. So now he has
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly one hundred and sixty thousand EGP and debt and
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  Speaker 2: Ahmed still somehow clinging to this fantasy about the land
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  Speaker 2: about Kuwait. He signed it, got the rental near her family.
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  Speaker 1: So he's isolated massively in debt, has a trial on
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  Speaker 1: the way, or just born. This is bad.
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  Speaker 2: It gets worse. The final nail in the coffin for
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  Speaker 2: his dependency dream after their daughter was born, Iman dropped
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  Speaker 2: the bomb. She told him she'd already transferred all three
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  Speaker 2: plots of land to her brother, Mahmood, all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Why she said it plainly, she didn't trust Ahmed. And furthermore,
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  Speaker 2: he was now responsible for all their living expenses.
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  Speaker 1: The deal was completely dead. No land, no kuwait job,
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  Speaker 1: just debt and responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: The absolute opposite of his lifelong goal. The transactional marriage
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  Speaker 2: had failed him utterly.
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  Speaker 1: So he looked at the situation. Divorce wasn't an option.
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  Speaker 2: Divorce meant immediate payment of one hundred and sixty thousand EGP,
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  Speaker 2: which meant prison. His identity as the NATA, the dependent one,
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  Speaker 2: was facing total obliteration.
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  Speaker 1: And his solution was murder.
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  Speaker 2: In his twisted logic, it seemed the only way out.
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  Speaker 2: Eliminate the debtholder, eliminate the problem.
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  Speaker 1: But he needed it to look like something else. He
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  Speaker 1: needed an alibi and escapegoat.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and this is where the planning becomes truly dark.
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  Speaker 2: He identified the perfect fall guy, his neighbour's son, the.
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  Speaker 1: Young man with mental disability.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, defenseless, easy to frame. He figured, if people thought
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  Speaker 2: the sun did it, the legal consequences wouldn't be severe,
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  Speaker 2: the community might just handle it.
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  Speaker 1: How did he try to set this up? It sounds complicated,
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  Speaker 1: the thoughtical cruel.
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  Speaker 2: Step one involved Diamond's chickens on the roof.
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  Speaker 1: What about them?
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  Speaker 2: He poisoned them then immediately blamed the neighbor and the
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  Speaker 2: disabled Sun tried to start a big fight.
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  Speaker 1: Did Imond believe him? Did she report it?
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  Speaker 2: She was ready to, but the community stepped in smooth
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  Speaker 2: things over, prevented a formal police report. So plan A failed.
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  Speaker 2: So he escalated Step two, the goat much more serious.
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  Speaker 2: He went up to the roof with a knife and
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  Speaker 2: slaughtered Iamond's.
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  Speaker 1: Goat and blamed the neighbor again.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, convinced Imen he heard the neighbor and the Sun
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  Speaker 2: doing it. This time it was too serious for the community.
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  Speaker 1: To just mediate, so she filed the police report.
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  Speaker 2: She did, accusing the neighbor and her son of trespassing
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  Speaker 2: and you know, slaughtering the animal.
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  Speaker 1: Ah So now the Sun is officially implicated in something
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  Speaker 1: violent on their property in police records.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, the timing was key. The police questioned the neighbors
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  Speaker 2: that evening from about eight pm to ten pm. Ahmed
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  Speaker 2: made sure he had an alibi confirmed his story.
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  Speaker 1: So the scapegoat was primed. Now he could proceed with
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  Speaker 1: the murder plan for five am the next.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, knowing the neighbor and son were already flagged. It
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  Speaker 2: was all set.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's fast forward. The murder happens at five am.
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  Speaker 1: Mother in law arrives at six am, missing person reported
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  Speaker 1: at twelve pm.
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  Speaker 2: Police arrive when around two pm at the house. Ahmed
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  Speaker 2: gets back from work at four pm, his planned discovery time.
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  Speaker 1: And what does he do when he arrives.
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  Speaker 2: He immediately, apparently without prompting, suggests the neighbor and the
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  Speaker 2: sun must have been involved planting the seed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and then they go inside.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, The officers enter the apartment. It's dark inside, coming
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  Speaker 2: in from the afternoon sun, and Ahmed immediately declares, I
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  Speaker 2: see the body on the bed.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, how could he see that instantly in the dark
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  Speaker 1: under a blanket.
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  Speaker 2: That was the slip up, the fatal error in his
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  Speaker 2: otherwise detailed plan. The officers picked up on it immediately.
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  Speaker 2: How could he know that so quickly, so confidently?
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  Speaker 1: That raised suspicion. What happened next?
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  Speaker 2: The police, now looking closer, talked to aaman's mother. They
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  Speaker 2: quickly learned about the huge debt one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 2: thousand EGP lawsuit and that bizarre fake poisoning charge Ahmed
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  Speaker 2: had filed earlier.
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  Speaker 1: The pieces started falling into place for them exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Ahmed was calculated, yes, but he wasn't a hard and
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  Speaker 2: criminal used to pressure. When they pushed him even slightly,
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  Speaker 2: he cracked. He crumbled, confessed everything, the whole story, the
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  Speaker 2: obsession with wealth, the transactional marriage, the self poisoning attempt,
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  Speaker 2: framing the neighbor's son, the murder, all of it. Just
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  Speaker 2: laid it all out, the whole sordid tale.
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  Speaker 1: And the forensic report confirmed the brutality.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, matched his confession, multiple stab wounds, throat fully slit.
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  Speaker 1: And the aftermath for Ahmed, Yeah, he left everything he
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  Speaker 1: schemed for, didn't he?
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  Speaker 2: Wealth? Freedom, respect, his own family disown him completely over
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  Speaker 2: his actions, total ruin.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a shocking story. The length someone will go
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  Speaker 1: to poisoning himself, planning to frame a disabled.
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  Speaker 2: Person, all to avoid debt, and cling to this warped
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  Speaker 2: fanity of dependency. It really shows the toxic power of
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  Speaker 2: that kind of obsession.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at the bigger picture, too, It's not
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  Speaker 1: just about Ahmed's greed, is it.
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  Speaker 2: No, it really isn't. You also have to consider Amend's
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  Speaker 2: family's role. They knew his character, his motives, but they
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  Speaker 2: went ahead with the marriage anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Because she was considered older. They were leveraging her assets
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  Speaker 1: in a way.
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  Speaker 2: The sources imply that, Yes, it suggests the whole arrangement
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  Speaker 2: from both sides was deeply transactional from the start, built
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  Speaker 2: on self interest not connection, like a ticking time bomb.
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  Speaker 1: Knowledge is valuable, we always say that, but this, this
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  Speaker 1: seems like a dark example of how self interest can
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  Speaker 1: just destroy everything.
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  Speaker 2: It really does, and it leaves you thinking, doesn't it
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  Speaker 2: beyond the crime itself? Think about the total cost here.
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  Speaker 1: The financial ruin, the disowned family, Iaman's life lost, the
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  Speaker 1: child left without parents.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly what does this whole tragic story tell us really
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  Speaker 2: about the true, often hidden price of living a life
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  Speaker 2: based purely on dependency and unchecked obsession.
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  Speaker 1: A devastating price, something to definitely think about. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: you next time on the Deep Dive.