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My Mutant Heart: the Promise! Featuring Josh Cornillon and Connor Goldsmith! · Graymalkin Lane the podcast

• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, welcome back to The Grey Mulk and Lane podcast where queer friends and allies gathered to review and discuss the original X-Men comics in continuity order.
• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am joined by my old friend Connor Goldsmith, old meaning we've known each other a while.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a lot older than cutters.
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: So true, thank you for clarifying.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, I got a decade on you.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Josh Cordillo is here for the first time.
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have met Josh in person a few times.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have celebrated Josh's work on the show, mostly whenever a Bradley Clayton comes on.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm so happy to have you both here.
• 0:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Josh and Josh is even younger than me.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's really important to just stress Because he reminds me on the regular basis.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I just you know Josh and Connor have a book coming out.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well already out still being released the incredible story about Mimi Green We're gonna be talking all about it today.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you're following the news
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I find it such a delicious kismet that we are both queer podcasters who have books coming out the same month weirdly We've been talking about wanting to write comics for ages and it's a it's a crazy coincidence to be that They both are coming out around the same time, but I I'm really excited about maybe green and for what this means for both of you professionally This is a big deal
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me begin by welcoming Josh to the show for the first time.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Josh, will you just tell everybody a little bit about your comics origin story?
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, Josh, putting on heat him.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, excited to be here.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, we've met a couple times at Flamcon, but I've listened to episodes of the show.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have fun to speak so highly of grandma from land.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm excited to be here.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I was a born-in friend.
• 1:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, that's kind of my initial comic.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: journey is in the like bone destiny kind of tint and asteriex realm of extremities, tint and yeah, it's so good.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it kind of informs how I like look at things.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a French style comics completely clear, which is basically like not a lot of shading, just fold lines, so that's kind of always my vibe as well.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I've always grown up reading comics, but getting into American
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: in comics and super hero comics.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really fell in love with the X-Men first and foremost.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I probably had something to do with the movies or picking up stuff from my local library.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was probably around 2018ish at this point.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: and that I started getting it to posting fan our online, kind of being part of the like X Twitter community, which was just so so nice to really be part of that during its heyday frankly, during the Krokoa kind of explosion and everything.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was just such a nice sense of community.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think really solidified my love of turning comic storytelling into something I was doing full time.
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's been a really nice journey to kind of,
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: see so many folks who were involved in celebrating that from a fan perspective now kind of make that full transition into making comics.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of why I love your energy and I love your art style.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so characteristically you.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love an original artist and anytime we see that in a comic book format is so fun.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've read your work in like young men and love in a few other places, but I'm a big fan.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really fun to have you on the show.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Connor, how did the two of you meet?
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: We met, I think, on Twitter, when Cerebro was new, and I was sort of re-entering comics fans after a long time away.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was, you know, in the scans daily minds and other live journal fandom spaces.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was on the uncanny X bin dot net forums when I was a teenager, you know, but.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: I had fallen off for a long time, particularly after the decimation and then sort of the back and forth of X them would get good again briefly and then would really not be my cup of tea for extended periods of time, which is, you know, we've been there before for people listening at home, but having that feeling right now, it is something that does happen with big two franchises.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but Krakow was what really brought me back.
• 3:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was so excited.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was so new.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was so new and different that I wasn't sure how I felt about it at first.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like I remember the house of acts moment.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: I remember debating Moira acts not debating but discussing like with over lunch with Kieran Gillan because we were at the Hugo Awards that week.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: And or it was like a couple months later maybe, but that was what we were still both like mind blown about that so it's just a really exciting time to get back in the the swing and the mood of it all and I think that ex twitter when it was really exploding helped me get back in like a fan headspace because I've been working as an agent for so long by that point that it was.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I was I needed to like kind of re orient myself and Joshua somebody who was, you know, had a similar kind of gay sense of humor and we liked a lot of the same characters, but then he liked certain he actually literally because we are micro generationally separate by a little bit he's like my sister's age it was different characters that actually like really
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: stuck out and he really liked certain characters like Pixie that I had been resistant to because they were like, I'm not my X man.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so when I was doing casting for like the, you know, cerebral head had taken off and it was weekly back then during COVID, which is still shocking to me to think about because it was so much.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a real back in my day quality to this conversation.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when Twitter was saying to you that we're good.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is haunted.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, that is now like six years ago that we are getting.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's an age that is over.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, that sometimes things do come and go.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, I made a lot of friends there that became really important parts of my life and Josh is one of those people.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: And he came on three birthday to do the Pixie episode because she was going, it was one way of X was announced.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I hadn't covered Pixie.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so I felt like it was the time to cover Pixie.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that episode was a hit.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: People really liked it.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: It came out right after the ladies mastermind episode about her half sisters.
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: So it was a good like two week period of win guard sister drama.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think after that, we just ended up in the DMs more or like in group chats more.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: And we just eventually started hanging out in real life.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it was, you know, just sort of off to the races because we had a lot in common.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: We were also both trying to break into comics at the same time.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, Josh got some professional work done faster than I did because, uh, well, I need someone to draw it and So we were pitching this project together for a really long time.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: We before we sold it and we both knew that we wanted to do a horror comic.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: We had bandied ideas back and forth.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: We ended up starting this game eventually where we would just send each other like one sentence log lines of like, here's a prompt.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was Josh actually who it was like round 20 or whatever of us just e-billing back before the female chain and he said freshly divorced.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: So and so it was a different name checks into rehab and find something there is wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's take a step back for just a moment.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get into the book specifically, I'd love to talk to you both a little bit about some of the horror movies or influences that you're growing up.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This book falls into, I've only read the first issue and loved it, the art is gorgeous.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait to see where the story goes.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I try to get myself into a mood whenever I'm reading a book.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how do I feel what is this?
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's giving a little bit of like psychological horror.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels a little bit hitch-conquey, a little bit expilesy.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's got sort of...
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a good whistling sound track in the background that's a little area on your neck, right?
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: What were some of your horror influences that that you loved growing up and maybe have influenced this book just a little bit?
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: This has a lot of for DNA from stuff that I love.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of it is his body for which is
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, historically not where I gravitate towards when it comes to horror movies, I like remember turning off the fly in college after like his ear fell off and I was like, this is too much.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: This has become crazy, but I do.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I love carnivore.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's where we're we'll get to that in a second, but it's not Josh's additional house.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've moved back and I find a lot of joy in it and I think even especially this isn't something growing up, but the substance was kind of catalyzed what that looks like through a very feminine lens.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a load bearing influence for us for sure.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But growing up my favorite was definitely it follows.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really love the atmosphere that is always going to be my kind of number one when it comes to what attracts me to something.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's one of my favorite movies of all time and he made it before he did that.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's okay.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Buria, the original Suspiria is a huge influence and I love the new Suspiria as well.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just for that like, pushing women into like bizarre places that always felt exciting and unique for me.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think even low horror psychological thriller or something like Stoker was a big influence
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: core line that kind of plays in just like how to keep someone light on their feet while also in a horse.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of different rivers flowing into this one, but it kind of ultimately becomes very the substance.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mother Mary just came out I just had last week and I'm
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is a coincidence, but Anna has character and that movie is extremely Mimi Core in a way that may be feel like, oh, we are in the zeitgeist, right?
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Truly too soon for it to be a proper reference.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think when when folks see what happens in issue two, issue three, some of those visual cues, it is it's a little uncanny.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So annihilation, I'm trying to just think of.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I love Alex Garland, X Machina, again, not a traditional horror, but just the way that characters move through a space.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: How particularly women move through horror spaces, I think is always the top of my mind.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're art in this book.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of an accepted reality that on the same page, you're going to see a beautiful image of someone.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the next panel, we're going to see what their insights look like.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was kind of gently woven in almost as a visual effect.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys mentioned Rosemary's baby.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love Ruth Gordon.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge stand.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: If it could be a war sooner, if no one has ever seen the 1969 horror film whatever happened to Ant Alice, let me recommend.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those champions.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know to look for, but it's great.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Connor, what were some of your influences?
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know you're a big buffy head.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: I am.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I wouldn't say that Bethany Angel are overall huge influence on this, what is definitely is the architecture of answers of the space.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: There are a few different sort of layers of reality that by the end of the first issue, you've kind of seen that it looks different at different times, right, and one of those.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: is sort of an art deco, older Hollywood vibe.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I did reference the Hyperion Hotel, the abandoned hotel from Angel in the script, because I, along with like Barton Fink and the Black Lodge from Twin Peaks, that a few other things.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: I would be David Lynch guy, Mahal and Drive is my favorite movie.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: I would consider it a horror movie, but it's more of a psychological drama, which is kind of the tension point between a lot of my favorite horror movies is like are they's psychological thrillers or are they horror movies?
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm more into that kind of, you know, thoughtful psychodrama horror as opposed to the slasher, which has never been like my favorite, though there are things about certain slasher movies that I like a lot.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was a media studies grad student.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I am big into a lot of feminist film theory about horror and exploitation film.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: My love Barbara Creed.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: I love Carol Clover.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: I love Kyla Janese.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of those thinkers definitely shape a little bit of how I approach this story.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I do think that there are many reasons why
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: women tend to be the protagonist of horror stories.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: And as we were developing this one, I drew on that to think about because the book becomes about the premise of the book is about a scandal, right?
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: And the way that getting so-called canceled affects female public figures very differently from the way that it affects male public figures is to me similar to the way that a woman's
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: suffering or pain or being under stress is usually the engine of a horror story because of whatever, you know, carol clover theorizes that it's in part because it forces the male audience to put themselves in a more physically vulnerable position if they are a woman or if they're identifying with the female character.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: So the lot of heart theory is is up top, but in terms of like my favorites, I did love this substance.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was stressed when they announced this substance
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I was really stressed that people were going to like think I had ripped it off, but it ended up, I loved it, but ended up being very different.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's also about Hollywood and body diswarfia and similar things, but they're in a very different context.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't think that I think it became more of a compliment.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: anything else which I would be thrilled to be viewed as public because I think Corly Farjah is brilliant.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think her film revenge that she made before the substance is really great.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: I love David Croninburg as you mentioned.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Even like crash is one of my favorites of his, which is not a horror movie, but definitely has a similar for the listeners that's crash about the sexy car accidents, not the bad crash that won best picture that's sort of about racism.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: Two different to very, very different movies.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like stuff like that that is not a horror movie, but there's something so destabilizing and describing about the vibe, you know, like there's still a body horror element to that movie because of the way they're fetishizing each other, even if it isn't one of his like.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: The fly style you're literally tear to get to a monster, the brood or whatever, but I love those two.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then I would say that a big big influence on everything about this project because it is just the time I grew up in is Jay Har.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: which was so, so huge when I was a teenager.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Genji Eto, I referenced a couple times in the script in notes to Josh, where I was like, I want a little bit of the vibe that you get from such in such a story or like the facial expressions that he does that are so specific that evokes such a mood, even if you don't know what's happening yet in something like Uzumaki or Tomeye or Gyo.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's such an atmosphere master because he is so slice of life.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and that's what he does so so well.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the manga style, it's so much more decompressed.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Mimi kind of serves as a slice of life until it really does them.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I think approaching her as a person who was living her life was kind of a central tenant for us.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that those those J4 stories really pick up on that piece.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and let's let's talk about atmosphere for just a moment when the first of all comics is not an easy industry to navigate it begins from a love of storytelling, but projects take years to complete and there's often very little tell us about it.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very high.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, both of us putting out books.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in my book, uh, one of the simple premises that I use for those that have read it is my book navigates between past and present and the past, my artist for me, Birkin, I use like a deep blues and in the present, we use a lot of like reds and purples and oranges and there's a visual effect shift.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think every comic book has to create that kind of atmosphere.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Josh, as you're drawing this book, I'm seeing this like messages of wellness and like the lettering choices that are happening there, the deep visceral reds and kind of those more horror spaces, the intimacy between characters interspersed by these like images of horror.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: How did you create the atmosphere for this book going in using things like words and color and visual effects?
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really impressive.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys did a good job building that world.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to give a huge head out to our letter Arianna Meyer.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love Arianna.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love her.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Personal friend.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So good.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So good.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a bit of a great person.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's also just been with this project since the beginning.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even as she's become like the biggest name in the industry.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's still stuck with little us because so so sweet.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: And our sample pages before she got detective comics and superband.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: And like has still stayed with us through this project, which we very much appreciate.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it has been an active piece of the puzzle.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, obviously, there's a lot of conversation about how do we kind of show letters their proper do?
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that she has just been such an active, like, creative participant in this team that this book would not look the same without her.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, huge shout out to her.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But,
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to kind of crafting atmosphere for myself, I think it's understanding what I want to get across as an artist as well as what's going to kind of best serve the story, but mostly I've been so appreciative that this project has allowed me to kind of.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: really take the weights off of my wrists and like get into the bigger picture understanding of storytelling that I've been wanting to do as a comic artist.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think especially in monthly comics, there's this total sense of like, okay, the script arrives, the artist draws it, it's like factory comics, like this just gets out to the world.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think because of the long gestation process of this project as well as me kind of personally turning a corner in terms of what I want out of my work, which is ultimately to be something that does not look like anything else on the stands and that that's not me trying to like height myself up too much it's more that.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're like, it's very unique style.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your style would fall into like Bailey Rosenland or Crollabaralee or Elly and Oregon, you need like, I love these like original art styles that feel almost like Sunday morning cartoon strips, but then they'll go really yeah, roll it into mid and sexual like I love it.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's so good.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love your art.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's that's totally my my I think journey is that I think a lot of folks have associated me with kind of the YA space, which is not unintentional I draw a lot of characters that are smiling, especially you know years ago I think my art was just a lot softer and rounder which is totally intentional.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then I think of how I've been trying to kind of push it in the last year, especially with this project, and thinking about just like what kind of pushes more maturity into that, well, not losing the essence of this still feeling soft and still feeling feminine, which are kind of overarching traits to my work, and that's something that Connor and I discussed a lot when going into this project and going into horror and
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: general.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what does horror look like through Josh's lens versus what does, you know, capital H horror look like in comics historically?
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not that I think I'm I'm breaking new ground here, but I just knew that I wouldn't be able to deliver, you know, witches by a jock and Scott Snyder.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be able to deliver, you know, hero county by a Tyler Crickon and Colin Bunt,
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: just a specific kind of dark atmosphere that are done so so well, but are not my vision really having the opportunity and the freedom to kind of clarify what does or look like when I am so in control of the style, so in control of the delivery to the audience.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I found myself using lighting in ways that I hadn't used before.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I find myself exploring a linework as it relates to
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: see what happens in an issue 2 and 3 can get five years.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's straight this gently.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's one page of the comic book.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I had to pick a favorite, which is it's a good book.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's an image where Mimi has been intimate with her partner who's in her bed brushing her hair.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mimi gets up.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no words on the whole page.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a wall between them.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: She walks into the bathroom.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: She looks into the mirror.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: She pinches her stomach.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: She moves her body a little bit and then lowers to find scars that then open up to her insides just spilling out all over the place.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: This mix of like nutrient color and then that like visceral red that takes over.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really smartly done.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, that was one of the first pages I wrote of the whole book.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is a very, very personal story.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: The reason why I was getting into the the genesis of the concept at the beginning is because part of what's been so magic about this process is the collaboration with Josh and the fact that like Josh could send that one sentence prompt to me.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then I sat with it and was like, OK, I like this image that I have.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: what is wrong at the facility?
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: What is waiting for her there?
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: What is she running from?
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: What is her deal?
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Why did she get divorced?
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: What is all of this stuff going on in her head?
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Who is this woman?
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I felt like I could picture her immediately, but the more that I developed it, I think that to write the best horror you have to write about the things that scare you.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: And particularly as the success of Srebro enabled me to do more things like, oh, I don't know writing a comic book.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's, I think it's a good pitch.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think we're very good.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I think a lot of people have great ideas and good pitches.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that certain doors were opened by my success in other areas.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm appreciative of that.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: But there is a flip side to that, which is that when you build your brand on the internet as a public person and your personality is part of the package and all of that, especially if you have OCD, which I do, there is this profound fear that you're gonna blow it up somehow or that something is gonna really just go so wrong with it, you're gonna lose everything.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so I wanted to write from the premise initially, I thought about it and was like, okay,
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: that has happened to her to this character.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: And now what?
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like what?
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: So this thing that you get scared thinking about when you're like in an anxiety spiral, it happened to this woman.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: How does she react to it?
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: Then I started thinking about why she would be the sort of person who fears that.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: And
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: I sort of kept excavating my own life because obviously this story, a lot of it is about weight and body and dysmorphia and image and all of that, you know, over the last nine years, I've lost about 200 pounds, which is an extremely bizarre experience.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: psychologically.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I wanted to write something that got at the way different bodies are treated and the way that having resentments or shame about your own body can impact other people.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: Mimi and Ashley are both representing different facets of that dilemma in someone's personal life, but Mimi has scars on her body that are visible that I have on my body from certain medical
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: have done.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: So that's very personal and that specific image is an intrusive thought I've had probably 700 times.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I wanted to convey that feeling of like if you are uncomfortable in your body and you are an obsessive thinker and you have a scar on your body and you
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Every time you look at the mirror, you think, what if it split open and all my guts fell out?
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I wanted someone who has never had that thought to really get the thought.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think that when you're building atmosphere as you described it, a lot of it is about situating the reader in the emotional and sometimes physical position that the character is in while they're having
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: That moment, so like that's why she's in the mirror.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's an intimate thing.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, in a harmfully expect a mirror's jump scare because that's one of the oldest ones in the book.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: But this isn't someone hiding behind her.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: It isn't even something that actually happens.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's just the bad feeling she has looking at her own nakedness.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a, there's a few images in my own book, which let me tell you, having your, your own life drawn by someone using something like your life without the abstraction of a character that would just be out of it.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we worked really well together, and he's amazing, but.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few images in this book where I'm like, oh my god, this capture is perfectly this time in my life or this piece of myself that's very vulnerable.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a beautiful thing to have that on page.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kickstarter rewards got sent out and people got like original pages of art.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, does someone have this art of my life hanging on their walls?
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not feeling it.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: But the thing is that because Josh has been here with me from the very beginning of it and we built the visual language of the story together, I write full script, but I'm very flexible.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: And when it comes to paneling breakdown and things like that, I'm always like, if you think it would work better flowing a different way, let me know here, I just need to get all five panels onto the page, but we could figure out how they're shaped or whatever else if you're the visual artist, right?
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: had a lot of color notes, I had a lot of lighting notes, I had an, and what's so interesting about this experience in part of what's really made me fall in love with the process is it's so strange to be imagining a scene in my head and write it as a script and then have the pages come back and it doesn't look like what I imagined at all, but it is exactly right.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: that is a rare gift.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure that there are many times you would get the pages back and be like, oh, this isn't really.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: I've had very few might my notes are always so finicky.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, oh, this person's holding this object here.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: Can they not be holding that because XYZ or like, we need to be able to see this door because the sign on it matters or, you know, things like that.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I very rarely had a note ever about blocking or about I've never had a note about the clothes really because Josh is I described the character's vibes and Josh is like fashion conscious and just gave each of them a great little wardrobe that feels very nice.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: The inner Josh courtyard.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: We all feel very cosplayable, which for a cast of characters who are not in superhero costumes or anything like that and look like normal people in clothes that they bought at the mall, I think that that is impressive.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that part of building the atmosphere was just that Josh was really willing to play with me as we figured it out.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then once I had an idea of where he was going with it because we had done the sample pages,
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: before I started a completely over to write issue one.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then by the time I was writing issue two, I had seen the pencils for issue one.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I knew what the building looked like.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, things like that.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: It makes it much easier to imagine the space and like what's the spooky scene I can do with Mimi walking down this hallway because I now know what that hallway looks like.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I can think about like how that awning looks on this page.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Josh was saying that he loved that like by the time we got to the issue 3 script I'm like here I'd like you to do something like what you did in the when the panels got weird on page 3 of issue 2 and this is you know Because we've got I want you to do a scene like that one or let's push this thing You did last issue further here and it just becomes a very conversational thing
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: And part of that, I think, to loop back around to the influences, right, is like, we brought so many different things to the, to the table speaking of Rosemary's baby.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: Another one from you is the Stapford wives, which is also.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: the novel, uh, different directors on the films.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: But, uh, that, like, very, like, 70s-based, color palette is something we use a lot in, um, like, the answers level of the story, uh, and then, but then it was important to me that when we get outside of the answer space, it feels so much more, like, alive and vividly colored.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's that bit at the very beginning where you get the brief scene of Natalie at her job at the bar,
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: it's a much more diverse room.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's like a blue sky that you can see in the distance.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: The colors are very different.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you notice the orientation of the panels is different even.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: Josh does a lot of interesting work with landscape versus portrait paneling to make different scenes feel more open or more closed or more cluster phobic.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: I've just been very impressed.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that the second this book comes out right now has by this time you're hearing this.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is the first interview we've done that will release after issue one comes out.
• 28:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: So that's
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: we keep trying to avoid talking about too much.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a visual, I think he looks.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think people are going to fill up his dance card really fast.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm, I'm calling dibs.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, random Hollywood frack for everybody.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you've seen Rosemary's baby, have you seen Rosemary's baby part two?
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: The made for television film in 1967's look what happened to Rosemary's baby.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only cast member that comes back is the one we previously referenced.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: The novel by our Lebanese fantastic, the movie by Roman Polanski for all of his fucked up arm that movie.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: If for his literal sex crimes, that's a great movie.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: I would say pretty much everything else has been made related to Rosemary's baby is pretty bad, including they did that prequel recently with Julia Garner, God lover.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's one that came out while we were writing this.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was a big influence.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, it was weapons.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: I love Zach Kriger.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's so good.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: And when we pitched this, it was five issues.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: That was my outline was five issues.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it ended up being four.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so I ended up having to restructure some things.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I lost a couple scenes that I had really wanted.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: But it was one of those things.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, there's no room for this.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: And what made me feel better about it was I read an interview with Zach Cregor about weapons.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: And he said, have you seen it?
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: Chad?
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, love to love.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: So Amy Madigan first to best supporting actress winners since Ruth Gordon in the horror genre.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: So that was a big big moment this year.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: He said that in his original screenplay, there was a chapter called Gladys that got way more into her deal and that when they were already running over two hours, he was like, this has to go.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: And the thing that I ended up having to really cut down when I went from four issues, from five issues to four, even though we got more pages, so it all has worked out, but structurally it's going to be a different story, was I wanted to do more about the motivation of
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: the bad guy.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I ended up cutting a lot of that.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it was because I read this interview in Zach Regger said, I think the movie's actually a lot better because I didn't over explain her.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that particularly for me in comics, you know, I grew up reading Chris Claremont comics.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: I definitely feel like I am supposed to explain myself, perhaps.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: A lot in the comic and maybe some ambiguity is is better.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to take some notes from from Lynch on that too, or it's like he would give a couple clues about each movie, but otherwise he's not going to tell you what they're about because that's not really he always said the movie is the talking right.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're going to transition here for a moment and then we'll come back to celebrate the book again at the end when we are breaking into comics usually there's a rule in Hollywood like you can't get a part in a movie unless you have a screen actors Guild card, but you can't get a screen actors Guild card unless you've had a speaking part in a movie.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a weird thing.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Comics can be a little bit like that.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's it's exactly like for many years ago, where you kind of have to be ushered into the industry by someone you know, but these days, it's never been easier to be noticed, but there's also been never been more competition out there, like more people putting their work out and forward.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Getting a book published, you have to kind of be independently well, you're like very well supported and then kind of get acclaimed and then they'll give you a chance.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you're working at one of the big two companies and a lot of our personal friends for all three of us are doing this kind of work.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Usually you're offered a spot in like an anthology book.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm remembering when Marvel Comics put out Marvel Comics 1000 or 100 or whatever.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every page was by a different creative team.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone literally only got one page.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking about two Wolverine stories today in two different books in two slightly different time periods.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: All of them kind of try out spaces.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen a lot of infinity comics these days.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: We see a lot of spots where like writers will be given just a couple of pages in the back of something to see where it goes.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to tell the Wolverine story, an easy way to keep it in continuity is by just putting it in his past somewhere.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now speaking as of the former handbook writer trying to line up Wolverine's prehistory, the only thing that exceeds my headache there is like trying to line up all of Captain America's adventures in World War II because every month there's like a new revelation of some adventure we've never heard about before.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now in Marvel Voices, which is a whole section run by like Sarah, a Brunstad and Angelique Roach and other people over the years, there's been different anthology titles giving diverse voices an opportunity to tell stories.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking initially about a story called Death from the Marvel Voices one shot in 2020.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is just one story in the mix and it's written by believe it or not,
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: which he also wrote a ghost writer in finity comic.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did a live part in the Luke Cage show.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He also voiced New York in the Marvel's podcast series.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know a lot about method man.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard some of the music, but I'm gonna guess that much like taboo from the Black eyed piece.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a big comic book fan who really enjoys putting works like this.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: out.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The art, or excuse me, the co-writer here is Daniel Dominguez.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: The art here is a lethal Martinez who I really love.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Amelia Lopez on Colors, Travis Lannamont Letters, and Chris Robinson is the editor on this story.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Josh, can I hear your thoughts on a lethal Martinez's pencils in this two-pager?
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like the Lisa's work a lot.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The folks who haven't checked her out, look up for work on the Nubia book.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we really did.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: She did a lot of Wonder Woman around that era as well.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I find it really impressive to communicate a full story in just two pages.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's first, first and foremost, was kind of coming across here.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It this feels like a style that her, a Wolverine past story really well.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like she took a lot of effort to make this feel like it is set in the past.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's that kind of frontier's men.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: heaviness to it that serves the narrative very well.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So she has kind of an interesting file that borders on realistic at point and it's always interesting to see in our just kind of navigate how much information or how little information they're going to show when they are kind of aiming for a more realism with their characters.
• 35:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly do not need to go very many stories drawn by a women of color that feature Wolverine.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a that's not that this is this is esteemed ground for Elizabeth of Artina's for sure.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's beautiful.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The color in this book is also really lovely.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: She has a certain timeless quality that I think really works for a historical story.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is also part of why she's good on Wonder Woman because Wonder Woman needs to feel like a historical character in a modern story whenever she appears, right?
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: brand jerk to to wonder woman and the Amazon's I had not read this and I you know I would say I'm I'm generally impressed by method man.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's a talented guy.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know about his comics fan and specifically, but he named himself method man after like a Hong Kong action movies.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: So he's definitely into genre.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: stuff.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I imagine if you're into Hong Kong action movies, the likelihood that you are a Wolverine fan if you're an American is high, right?
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I think this is a logical choice for him.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like that it's more of a quiet rumination like it's set in this landscape where there's all these corpses around, but they don't really spotlight
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: The corpse, like these first nations people have been murdered, but it's not lingering on these victims of a racist murder massacre, it's more oblique and it lingers more on the figure of death herself and on Wolverine and on the killer who's suffering the white guy who we feel good about the fact that he's suffering.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: But it's mostly about Wolverine and his suffering.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that a lot of Wolverine stories, particularly ones that involve women and people of color dying to make Wolverine feel upset.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of lingering on those bodies and on his anguish over these ravaged people.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think this feels
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Different, it reminds me actually when Larry Hama kills off Mariko in the 90s and he's like the first Asian person to write all of the Mariko and Sunfire crazy stuff when she dies it's off panel you don't see it the violence happened.
• 37:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's similarly, this feels more respectful.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: In that way, it also helps with the economy here because the biggest thing you learn the second you try to write comics is that it's all about how much real estate you have, how many pages you have, how many scenes you can fit into this story and the answer here is what make it beautiful, make it matter, but don't be too word done.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a pretty simple one.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you look up Wolverine chronology and we've been slowly working in Wolverine backstories into my show just a little bit at a time.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wolverine notes at the start of the story that the first time he saw death was when he lost his parents.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the second time.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a long period of time where he's living in the woods.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to presume that this is set before the Wolverine origin saber tooth book that we recently talked about.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: This isn't his, I just just believe that book didn't happen.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's fine.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: But it raises so many questions that can't be properly dealt with, but it's just kind of, I don't know, I hate all the origin stuff, but that's just.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Wolverine is living with the Wolfpack.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's wearing pants and like a fur coat.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's walking around shirtless.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he comes across an indigenous village that has been burned by settlers.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got his Wolfpack with him.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always fascinated by the way Marvel has chosen to depict death.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's a thing with Deadpool and Wolverine noted in multiple stories where they can sometimes see death.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a character that has a special relationship with death based on his healing factor.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a death is always drawn as literally a skeleton in these like flowing robes, almost like she's off in the distance somewhere, you know, beckoning the soldier home from war kind of energy.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But critically a woman always.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, like it's a little bit of an issue.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like that, that Dame, the Dame to kill for herself, like even though it's a skeleton.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's usually a skeleton with a snatched little waste and a tight top, showing off her
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Especially these days back in the day she would be more of a skeleton or more flowy.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I always say that I think I commend Elifa's restraint here just because there are and I think it's probably notable, you know, a woman drawing this versus the many many men who have depicted this version of death, but it is very tempting for many artists to draw her absolutely, you know, batty.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this, it feels like a very, but, you know, non-eroticized fake on that.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But interest first by like a tight close-up of the skull that I saw kids, right?
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This gives me, this is the, this is the Mimi Green Bives, when I read it.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, she has more interiority here than she often gets because when Death shows up, it's usually yes because she's, it's a joke for a Deadpool comic or Thanos is trying to fuck death or whatever, but what death is thinking, what she's up
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: too.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's something you're more likely to do with the character like Hela, for example, instead.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that what's interesting here, it actually kind of reminds me now that we're talking about it with how the character of death is used in Agatha all along, which is written by a woman.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: not very different because that's a sexual character but in a very different way from like the bazoom's Deadpool's wife thing that we're talking about.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that what's interesting here is that she Wolverine spends the whole story trying to get her to address him and she actually has no interest in speaking to him.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And she's focused on, she's focused on her task and she's not responding and we get moments where it's almost like she's here doing something doing her job, but all he can do is speculate on what her motivations are, but we get I feel in the art more of a sense of her as a person as opposed to a force, then you usually get in stories where she pops up like
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: a cosmic entity with a will.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but she's literally here in the form of the of the grim reaper.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So a nameless white man is the only survivor from whatever massacre just took place.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: He says some awful things about exploiting these people.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now death is here to claim his soul.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: She straddles the man and Wolverine is curious, but also jealous.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can you do this to me as well?
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you killed all these people, can you also kill me?
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: with a certain amount of intensity, right?
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to see people.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's bagging, not can you will you.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's bagging her to take him as well and she ignores them.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the interesting things here is the way that Alitha draws his claws.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wolverine's claws have a lot of different art styles.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're supposed to be what six or eight inches long.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're bone at this point because this is long before the adimantium, but some writers will draw his claws like two or three feet long.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: here they're doing very curved they're almost at like a curved angle where they're coming out uh what are your thoughts on the claw depiction Josh how do you like your Wolverine um you right but these are curved i think partially it's this angle that we're getting but they're very neat ok you
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I, as somebody who doesn't think much about the men of the X-Men, I don't know if I have a definitive Wolverine class style.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm more particular about like his costumes ears.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like to see like a nice herked up, um,
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: and a wing on his helmet, but these claws are very cool.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: They depict the bone claw style in a very visceral way.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can instantly tell that they're the bone claws and not the metal claws, and I think that that's always impressive for an artist.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they only feature in one panel, so it's you're just here.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot bang for that one.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So jumping to 2006, we're going to layer the stories together here.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover one more short story.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the I Heart Marvel February Valentine's Day specials from the year 2006.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another anthology title.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a four different books featuring some really truly crazy stories.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Baby NEC isn't does a Ruby Thursday story in one of these.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I Queen.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a Daniel Wei story with Art by Ken Knewtson.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Josevia Rubia is the colorist, Dave Lanford, the letter, Aubrey Sitterson, and Tom Brevort on edits.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wolverine does have a long established history obviously at this point, and he definitely served in multiple world wars.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the stories that during World War II with some modern takes as well.
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: The cover of this book is really crazy cartoony.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're bringing flaws, cannonball, like, turning around, like, flowers around them, and then do in a full, like baby smock showing his ass to the camera, truly a wild cover, but we just covered this issue, not this story, but this issue on cerebral for the fire star episode, because Fabian also does that story where fire star and justice break up in this anthology.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: I believe, unless it was a different year, but I believe it was 2006.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, different one shot, but same event.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was I heart marvel.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is the thing they did.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one has the Cannonball Lila Chini story and it though, this particular.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right, yes, but they did a bunch of these around this time.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, they had different themes.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was the mutant Valentine's Day one.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right, this was the one that was specifically about mutant characters, which I guess I mean Firestar and Justice R, but as we were discussing in the episode, are they right like that was sort of the whole, that's been their issue.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of, there were five books.
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were all, I hurt Marvel.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: One's Marvel AI.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's masked intentions outlaw love and web of romance.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then again, my immune heart.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, the masked intentions is the one with the Firestar story.
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The art on this particular story is a lot moodier.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more graze and blacks and blues.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the characters are very lively, drawn, very unique facial style and expressions.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We open with Wolverine in Zorgvlyd Cemetery in Amsterdam, which is a real place.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a real historic cemetery.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can look it up.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he is visiting the grave of someone and leaving a gold necklace there.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't have let this happen.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we flashback to Berlin of 1943.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wolverine has just finished fucking a woman named Katharina.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we are in Berlin directly.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just you want to describe this room that they are embedding the backgrounds on this or wild.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's very cool.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had never seen Ken's work before this and but there's there's a huge kind of inky moodiness to it.
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It reminds me a little bit of Danny who is currently during doing the Batwoman book with who's the right on that Greg rock, I think.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but she is known for her very kind of silhouettety in key style and this kind of reminds me of that.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: This also has just a touch of the like 70s doctor strange energy.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could easily see this as like a clear pin up the wall of this room are giving like RuPaul's drag race like the walls in the dressing room where the drag queens all are like hurts your eyes.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like purple circles on the back drop.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: It looks very, it looks very strange.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: It makes me think of like, God, what was that many series where with towpads was a beast of bones or something like that?
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a very Dr.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Strange color palette.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Wolverine here looks like he does inhabit and Wolverine meltdown.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like he's very ugly looking.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's an interesting, the whole style of this story is interesting for what is ostensibly
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Wolverine has just finished sleeping with Katharina.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: She is naked in bed.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: She says, it's not your fault, Logan.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I let it happen too.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's two panels where he's frowning and then smile again.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it so much somehow.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: She removes her gold necklace and hands it to him.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He says, oh no, she says it for luck.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Please, if if we are never to see one another again, we will Catherine, he says we will as he puts his pants on and then I promise you we jump back to the present where Wolverine is in full costume standing in front of Catherine is grave.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now we flash back to the man.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're time.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: Our grave.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's very notably not shown to us whose grave it is in all the art until the end.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Hope.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we go back to 1943, where there's a man, a Nazi scientist, presumably named Dr.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mom, who is being things in this town, and apparently he has threatened Katharina's sisters or family, unless she turns Wolverine over to him.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she leads him directly into a trap.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He ends up in a gas chamber.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no other really way to phrase this.
• 47:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a seal.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's what it is.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're looking at him through a window.
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: She has betrayed him.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to do it, my love.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has my sisters.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The horrors that he would inflict on them.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to do it.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a sorry as you're going to be says Wolverine.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they turn on the gas as she cries.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Nazi doctor then of course kills Katharina.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: and Wolverine is screaming unable to escape the gas.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He, the, the, the scientist says a remarkable specimen a shame that he was born a mongrel as they watch Wolverine die.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, what do you think he's saying?
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he says no matter what, I will come back to kill you.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we come back to the grave once again and he leaves Katharina's gold necklace on the grave.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the implication, because it's in 2006 that we see the date, the date of death here.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Wolverine killed the scientist?
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he finally hunted down this, not seeing his 80s and killed him.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the promise, which is given to us finally as the title at the end is that he swore he would kill this guy for what he did.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: And now he finally has and he's left the lock that he kept all this time on the gravestone to signify that because Katharina presumably did not get a proper burial anywhere.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think she has a gravestone.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: eight-page story Wolverine World War II Wolverine Doxy Hunter.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Connor, what do we thought's on this one?
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like the story at all.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm ready to be so real.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, look, Daniel Waste Wolverine is not to my taste a lot of the time.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: I sort of intubated that earlier.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is kind of what I was saying when we were talking about the earlier story about the way that like women are always getting murdered to make Wolverine experience sadness.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, introducing a new one who just to kill her in an eight-page story is a little bit like, okay, whatever, to me, I find the gas chamber literal scene here kind of tacky honestly, it's just, it's a very edgy thing that isn't really my vibe.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think the way that the reveal is done is clever because it does make you think that he's at this woman's grave until the last page and then the twist is someone's like a killing joke sort of moment where it's like look back on what happened there.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think happened speaking of the story that I think is a little tacky in places, but you know that what I think is more effective.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: The throughling here being Wolverine's relationship with death in one story and then other people and die and he doesn't.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this one he's unable to die.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am often as a reader frustrated by Wolverine's healing factor and it's inconsistency, much like the claws, right?
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: In early stories Wolverine has like high metabolism and takes time to heal from a wound.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then we get stories in the early 2000s where he's like vaporized to a cell but still like regrows as a full
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Bad power creep, I would say the three X-Men characters have been most subject to power creep are Wolverine, Gene and Storm.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's been, I think, to the detriment of all three characters.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Even has Phoenix, if you go back to the 70s and to 1980, even as Phoenix, Gene has limitations.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: There are super villains who can knock Phoenix on her ass.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: She's just more powerful than almost anybody else.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that when you take a character so far into the,
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: it's an issue that like Superman and the Flash sometimes have where you have to come up with an excuse for why they can't solve the problem.
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that as with Superman or the Flash, you always can find a reason.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I think, you know, people will say now, like, why isn't Phoenix on the X-Men or why are Storm and Gene on the flagship?
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, well, because they do in the same way that Thor on the Avengers,
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: can cause plot problems.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: It does sometimes like raise the question of, well, this person could do everything that everybody else can do.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: And Wolverine, because you simply can't kill him, is also a character that sometimes it can be difficult to work into a story now that he is.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: So now that you can like he can regenerate from one drop of blood, which is very much not how the character was originally presented,
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think that that's tricky.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, with X men in particular, where I think the characters have limitations and that's part of the vibe.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: It can make it difficult to fit him logically into every story.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's part of why he's become much more frankly of a solo character.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Over the last, you know, 30 years.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he fits into a lot of genres because of a lot of the genres that have been explored with him.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like the emphasis on kind of what Wolverine's life cycle looks like and I think it's always interesting to kind of have another rock overturned.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think for the romance focus of this, you really don't get a lot of like why should we be specifically focusing on Catarina's
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: following up on this so many years later obviously there's the promise piece of things.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just it's an interesting story in that we just saw a two-page story that kind of very effectively got in got out with what I wanted to say and this is an eight-page story that I think takes a long time to get to what it wants to say and just as it's of the romance for me that being said I think I like that it not is action.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have the idea that it's really focusing
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: there's just so many shots of Wolverine kind of power he's processing this information.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like the it takes a lot of time up front to just linger on him but then it kind of leads to the point at the very end it becomes truncated this like okay he's in the gas chamber and we're just assuming he gets out of this one like there's just not a
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like the art more than a story, both stories on the backdrop, though, also of the slaughter of innocent and diverse groups of people, which is such a through-light in comics very consistently.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: And you started even mentioned in this one though, it's really just set dressing.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Holocaust here is very much set dressing in a way that's a little bit, okay, I don't know.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I just, it's not my, it's not my cup of.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let me ask you both two more questions and then we'll wrap up.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who is your favorite love interest for Wolverine and who is a least favorite?
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who's someone you ship him with?
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who's someone you hate him with?
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Great question.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: I've always enjoyed the Logan Narrow dynamic.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: I do think that they work best as friends who have a sexual for saw.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that they work for me as like a boyfriend and girlfriend or that they should like
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: get married, but I do think that they they they make sense to me in like a very profound way.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that his dynamic with Mariko is really really interesting and particularly now, especially after Peach Momoko and her version of Mariko made that character popular that in a way that she never had been before.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'd like to see that loop back around.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, there isn't usually, there's some really one where I'm like, I hate this, but there is some part of me that's just never quite going to buy him in a like really intense emotional situation that isn't with Marco Jean or Kurt, which they can't say, but that's always speaking of Greg Rackett, that one cover.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's just, you know,
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I, I, I feel like there's something that someone could do with silver fox that would make that character really work, but famously, nobody has.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know that there are many, very many people in comics who would be like, it's, I'm going to do this and nail it.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I, I certainly would be nervous to touch that character at all.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really, I really enjoy some of his relationships that are less explored.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like, Malita Garner, or even Sarah, like Tiger Tiger as a Roman.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: love tiger tiger.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think of them as like romantic, but I love them.
• 55:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course they weren't.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, but he but Wolverine is community dick.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: Wolverine fucks a lot of people.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think of that.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't ship him with everyone he's had sex with.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think of him as somebody who works best having hose in every area code, you know, in this kind of stage of his life, I do, I think I would like to see more in and down, you know, I think that was a fun like I like that.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: to her.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: That one obviously is essential, but yeah, it's not up.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, for sure, wake that up.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I mean, it's a question.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Wolverine fucking death.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, because she's not interested.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every time you die, it's just a little bit.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: that is I think that's what Gene is about to some extent though, right?
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like I think that Gene, the way that he reacts to Phoenix is very similar to the way he's reacting to death here.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: The the Phoenix is life, but also death, right?
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a similar like cosmic cyclical force and Gene is this female representation of that.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think notably to the three men who chase after death, Deadpool, Thanos, Wolverine, I mean, Captain Marvel, I won't point to the genus celebration, but they're men who have obviously been denied death in their kind of day-to-day lives or in the entirety of their life and they're searching for that.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Wolverine is the most denied by death.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the most turned down by the literal
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Speak a good way she works more symbolically.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like death best.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's dating Marlo Chandler.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was so I was going to say speaking in other speaking of the the the the jealous street though is death still Marlo Chandler.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: You would know this Chad.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's like an aspect of death that will occasionally get brought up.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But death is her own character.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Marilla all your daily sense of really cool shit with the death of blithy in relationship and the recent storm comics that I think is really uh interesting and a conceptual level.
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, as we're wrapping up what can people look forward to when it comes to Mimi green and I'd love to hear a little bit about some of your aspirations as comic book professionals if you'd like to share by the time this is out folks will see Mimi green one
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: which is just the tip of the iceberg and I'm so excited for folks to get deeper into the story deeper into answers, both metaphorically and literally, issue two.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I keep telling folks has a escalation that I'm really, really excited for folks to start reacting to.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has not been sent out to our friends and
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And family yet.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I haven't quite gotten the responses yet, but I'm really excited for how folks are going to see that.
• 58:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm finishing up the issue three right now.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think it's it's some of the most excited that I have felt drawing anything ever so I just I'm excited for that to kind of keep reaching folks and keep getting folks reactions on that.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So all I'll say is that if you read issue one of did you hear about Mimi green that is just the beginning there is
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: the ball keeps rolling and increasingly insane ways.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: For myself, you know, Connor and I have talked a lot about our future plans and we've got a lot brewing in terms of what exists in the memeiverse as well as a lot of other characters and stories that we are interested in kind of tackling.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm always interested in writing and drawing my own work as well, so that will always be something that I'm kind of chipping away at.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also currently writing Spider-Man stories for Spider-Man magazine, which only publishes in Europe, so not exactly an easy thing to get your hands on, but it's for a younger reader, so I'm really excited about.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: continually having the opportunity to write more.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I do that with my friend Steve Fox.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was obviously written a lot for the X-Men universe.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think folks are going to be sick of me by the time I get all my plans out.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got my plans are met through the century with a lockdown then.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: For me, this was kind of an experiment.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to see if I would enjoy it, if I would, if it would be something that I wanted to do when I actually got my hands into it.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: And unfortunately, I'm hooked.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I say unfortunately because this is a difficult industry and it's a difficult time and a difficult industry.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I have loved this process so much.
• 1:00:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: I am so excited for you.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: It'll have come out by the time you hear this.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm so excited for the release.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: I can't believe it's so soon.
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I want to say once the book exists, this is the sad card thing you were talking about, then it's not just that the snowball rolls down the hill and grows from issue one to two to three to four, which is true.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: In this case some of the stuff that Josh is doing it issue three is going to blow people's heads at back open.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: It also means that what you can pitch and what opportunities exist.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: become real in a different way from how they are before you have something you could show editors or show, you know, people generally.
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: So we've been talking a lot about what's next for us, you know, obviously much depends on the success of this book, but the numbers for issue ones so far are pretty good.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: So we are feeling good about the future we have ideas for potential stories that could not necessarily be direct sequels, but could be in the same universe as did you hear about Mimi green, but part of what's really interesting for me is like,
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, if you asked me five years ago, what the goal would be of writing a comic, it would be like, well, I'd love to get in there and end up playing with all of these franchises and IPs and stuff that I care so much about as a fan and what I found is I actually love creating our own stuff.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: so so much and that is kind of where my attention is directed.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I think, but it would be so fun, obviously, to get to play around at DC or Marvel or any number of other places.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So on the fan, I can't wait for the next issue and it's been lovely to have this time with both of you today.
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for coming on the show.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna put this out in June, 2026.
• 1:01:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Pride Month on Grand Malkin' Lane.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next episode immediately after this is gonna feature the talents of Jordan Morris, who has never been on the show before, and we're jumping back to the world of Marvel team up 53, which is an X-Men story.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Focus around the character of Woodgod.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys are all big Woodgod, if we have many big Woodgod fans.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, no comment on my relationship with God, but he knows what he did.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, while we're on the subject of June and Pride Month and all of that, I wanted to congratulate you for, yeah, we've been talking around it, but congratulations, Chad, on the release of Game Warment Dad.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know you've been working, we've all three of us have talked about that in person for years as well.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know how long you've been working on that and I'm very proud of you.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that putting memoir is really hard, applaud people who can do it.
• 1:02:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can divide my creative life up into, like, chunks of years.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was the years I put the book out, and then there was the years I made the documentary having this version though feels like the most fully realized version of something.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really proud of how it turned out.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that was my next thing.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't read the book yet, I would super appreciate the support.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's available on Barnes & Noble and other places, graphic moodies, the publishing company.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in June, if you were going to be at the ALA conference,
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: In Chicago, I will be there at the latter part of this month, and maybe I just saw you in Toronto at TKF.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Follow the show at Grimmelken Understore, Lane Online, most easily, where can people find the two of you?
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anything you would like to plug in addition to the next issue of Mimi Green.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the big thing.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: is the next issue of Mimi Green issue 2 will be out very soon, but it is past final order cutoff now as you're listening to this.
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: So if you are new to the Mimi Green experience and you would like to check into answers, final order cutoff is soon for issue 3, which is my favorite of the 4, get your pre-orders in now if you haven't.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can check out any of my work.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: at Josh Corneal on all platforms.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: My last name is COR and I L-O-O, and I'm sure you'll see it in the show note, but you will also be able to see both of us at Flamcon in August.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exclusive reveal that we will be Flamcon special guests this year.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're planning some really fun stuff in terms of paneling and signings and checking in with folks, so there's going to be a little bit of a Mimi celebration there because it'll be our first conventions in
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be like, we're going to be really serious if she is despite herself.
• 1:04:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: She really is the queer horror girl of our lives.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: I will be there too.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to see both.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening.
• 1:04:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the ongoing support.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Take care of yourselves out there.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Living joyfully these days is the best way to live.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is a crazy world.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be safe.
• 1:04:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks Josh.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks Connor.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you all back here next week on Grimalkin Lane.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the second installment of the new feature on Grimalkin Lane, which we are calling X-Men X-Pose.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have three incredible friends joining me for this conversation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna have you each introduce yourselves and tell me very simply, well, you need to introduce yourselves.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remind of this, there's no, you guys.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: My initial question for each of you, very simply is, is Aurora Monroe fuckable.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the content warning and advance everybody.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna get a little saucy at this one.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is not for your children's listening ears.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me welcome, Dominic Vettel to back to the show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Dom is Aurora, fuckable.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was up everybody and absolutely.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was there.
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she is, especially I think the one moment that you asked that I think about is When she had dinner with Dr. Duma, she was in the, uh, she was in that dress.
• 1:05:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, damn whoever drew her to a really good job with that.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the green dressing recent.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so as your question and yes, a wrong row Monroe is very fuckable.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And on the page right before she's in that like sexy lingerie.
• 1:05:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Herm's Karen back.
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Herm is a rural Monroe fuckable.
• 1:05:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: As Dracula would probably tell you as Loki would probably tell you as Dr.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dune probably tell you, a rural Monroe actually is fuckable.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: As well as we would absolutely fucking tell you, a
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the reason they cast Halle Berry as a Roman Robe, set symbol of the 90s into the early ought.
• 1:06:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's so many reasons why a Roman is fuckable, so yeah.
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: As Yukio would tell you, and let me welcome, let me welcome no one back.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And no one, given that you are a Roman Robe, argue fuckable.
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not in real life.
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would say, yes, I always think back to there's a panel and extreme X men where like her and gambler are like having this really like it's kind of spicy conversation and she's swimming naked.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then the police show up and she comes like flying out of the water.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: And basically using him to cover herself.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always like hot.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, love it.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the first thing she joined the X men when she and Angel are like flying in the air.
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you're so pretty and she's like, no, you're so pretty.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is the category we call there's the person you fuck the person you date and the person you bring home to mom numb, who's the person that Aurora would choose to fuck?
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like you only get one person.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was her best leg.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm going to go with, I don't know.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I have to give it to Charlie just because I love him so much.
• 1:07:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and Dom, who is the person Aurora would date, seriously?
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who's uh, who would she answer?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We should date, seriously.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know why I want to say Wolverine.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would probably go Wolverine for a person she would seriously date.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I will go with him.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can see that answer, and Haram, who is the person Aurora would bring home to mom?
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it can't be to Charlotte now.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: She already divorced that S. I am like oscillating between you, Kyo, and forage right now.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's mostly because I have any of you read the um, oh my god, we'll see the one kind of five step I will.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where she kind of see the orange as both of Aurora.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's what you talk about.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly the two.
• 1:08:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 1:08:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that forge has what it takes to be like a consistent man for a row.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He likes to be the most important person in that relationship.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a rural, if you're going to date a rural, I'm in a little like dating Beyonce.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to just understand that there's a certain status involved.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do we have other shoutouts in these categories who are people that you love a rural with?
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Craig from Mars.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because he's just like, I feel like he's very grounding for her.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, he's absolutely phenomenal.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure not.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that he's just like, is just so chill.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: And like he also is like, I recognize like, she's dope.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm cool with it.
• 1:08:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's very like cool.
• 1:08:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Copesthetic over here.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's no like kind of like combat for line light or spotlight with him.
• 1:08:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Usually like, I'm just here.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: How to get to him.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's cool.
• 1:08:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Herum, what are a Roman rose turnons?
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: First off, I really do think that she likes and rugged people.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you come up and you are like, first of all, like, fully bearded out or you're in any way, like, kind of, oh, you do, you fight for, like, fun.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: You fight people for fun.
• 1:09:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: You like to get rough with it.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It likes to spar a little bit.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think she definitely likes a man with a lot of confidence and like self possession.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what she into.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is hard because like I'm thinking of potential paints that Earl might have.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely think that she is more of a dominant in the bedroom for one thing.
• 1:09:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to put that out there.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: For two, I think that she would be into the electro stim play if you have the right partner with her.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it is receiving or giving.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it would only be receiving if she's with Thor.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely think a Roro likes to receive more than give when it comes to that exchange, right?
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: No more a Roro Monroe's turn off.
• 1:10:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think arrogance.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cyclops.
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I clap except for that one time in the like second edition of extreme x moon where they were together we're not going to get into that.
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think a lack of confidence is a turn off for her because like if you, you know, don't have what it takes like why are you over here with the rest of us.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you better let you do it.
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm going to say.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: You really have to know what's going on.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then a dumb, what do you think some of the auroro's kinks might be?
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jimmy already probably say he said it with, uh, the Electro STEM play and it just made me think dormant door will be good.
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck, buddy.
• 1:10:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably.
• 1:10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: God, you don't want to be in a prison mile radius of that, though, God.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because now I bring back to you a question that you asked earlier today.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I've used another good shout-out door.
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is another good shout-out.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody can say we can see it up being plugged buddies.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also I can possibly see a potential relationship between the two as well.
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can see that happening.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have one more section here.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just call this what those powers do.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Sharon, you already started this one, but what could a RORO do with some thunder and lightning?
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So as you already know, like she can probably condense the lightning electric whatever down just enough in order to kind of go over the skin and give that stimulation by the woods would be a very interesting experience.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: But also, I think that she might be a little bit into breath play, listening to me when I say, remember how in that one episode of Avatar, Chora as a matter of fact.
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you see the one do kind of take the air out of that one person's lungs.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think she would do that, but like on a lesser scale, you know, not trying to kill them, just trying to, you know, give them a little breath play.
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be something that she can do with her powers.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which she can.
• 1:12:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which leads us in what could a rural Monroe do with a tornado like my brain goes to like, oh, we do it in the air Like it's fine in the bedroom.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's very vanilla.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get exciting.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's spin around wind rider.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hardly know her
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the dumb, what could she do with a full blizzard and or rainstorm?
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking of trying to come up with something good with like rain and water with some dish you can do.
• 1:12:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dan, she can make a waterfall herself.
• 1:12:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: She wanted to.
• 1:12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had Annie to send you on my show once and this is wild to me because Annie is a very nice person, but we're talking about strong powers and how they're connected to her emotions.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I really want to write the scene one day where you do see like a little moon and then a lightning bolt strikes the entire house and like the roof blows off and she comes flying out naked.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, we sent out a text in advance.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So kind of leaning into the parody of, uh, archetype a little bit here.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a fukmaric hill game and let me have Haram take this one first.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a fukmaric hill and you're answering for a rural Monroe here.
• 1:13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have the storm king from my little pony, the fog, from the movie, the fog and the night king from the game of thrones.
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Haram's gonna answer first, but we all have to agree on the correct answer.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a little hard, but it's how it works.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that she would fuck the storm king because there's something of the look of him in general, something a reminder of Wolverine for her.
• 1:13:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe you have been like a consistent on an off again pair for fucking.
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think she would kill the fog.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that there's anything there that she would like, I'm like, oh, so attracted to that I can either fuck or marry.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the fog would just be completely like, no, let's get this off the planet here.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then marrying the night king is such a weird thing.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It depends on which night king that we're talking about.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're either going to talk about the actual like the TV series night king or we're talking the book night night.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think we're going off the TV series.
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think primarily is what most people are going to be familiar with.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's the leader of that like Frozen zombie army.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: She likes a position of power.
• 1:14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Larry, absolutely.
• 1:14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did Haram get it right now?
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come, that's literally what I think you want.
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're going to agree more.
• 1:14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alright everybody, well there is our ex Jose on the sex life of Aurora Monroe.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks all for tuning in.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: All my guests are smiling.
• 1:14:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Literally none of you had any idea what you were coming into.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: How are we feeling about this conversation?
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're really good.
• 1:14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing it.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well let's take care of yourselves out there, everyone.
• 1:14:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you back here next week on a Greymonkin Lane.
• 1:14:54
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Grimalk and Lane is produced and recorded in Salt Lake City, Utah, with music and editing done by my husband, Michael Bell, and promo art done by the incredible Seth Martell.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you back your next time on Grimmulkin Lane.