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334. TURNING THE PAGE: Nikki Ogunnaike On Her First Year As The Editor in Chief Of ‘Marie Claire’, Owning Your ‘No’ & Letting Go Of Guilt · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: I will think one way to get better with change
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Speaker 1: is just embracing flexibility.
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Speaker 2: What's going on, Emily and Badi Here You are listening
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Speaker 2: to episode three thirty four, the newest installment in this
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Speaker 2: week's Turning the Page series on Hurdle, a wellness focused
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Speaker 2: podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything from
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Speaker 2: their highest ties and toughest moments to essential tips on
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Speaker 2: how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We
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Speaker 2: all go through our fair share of hurdles, and my
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Speaker 2: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better
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Speaker 2: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can
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Speaker 2: stride towards your own big potential and of course have
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Speaker 2: some fun along the way. For today's chat, I am
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Speaker 2: bringing in one of my favorite humans that Nicki Oginaki.
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Speaker 2: She is the editor in chief of Marie Claire as
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Speaker 2: well as a dear friend of mine, and it was
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Speaker 2: an absolute no brainer to have Niki join me for
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Speaker 2: this series, not only because her episodes was one of
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Speaker 2: the most listened to episodes of twenty twenty four, but
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Speaker 2: also because this woman's got wisdom that I want, need,
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Speaker 2: must distribute into the world. I really appreciate Nicky's openness
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Speaker 2: about the challenges that she braved over the past year,
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Speaker 2: the highs and lows of her first full year in
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Speaker 2: the hot seat as Marie Claire's editor in chief, and
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Speaker 2: the way that she really put a lot of thought
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Speaker 2: into what I asked her to come in and chat about.
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Speaker 2: We talk about what she wants to stop, start, and
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Speaker 2: keep doing in twenty twenty five, how stretching has actually
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Speaker 2: completely changed the game for her wellness routine, and why
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Speaker 2: is she's so strict about her wellness routine. What it
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Speaker 2: is about the practices that she incorporates into her every
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Speaker 2: week that make her feel like a better human. I'm
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Speaker 2: With that, let's get to it, let's get it to
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Speaker 2: a hurdling. Today, I'm setting back down with my dear friend,
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Speaker 2: editor in chief of Marie Claire Nikki Oganaki. How are
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Speaker 2: we doing next? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good, good,
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Speaker 2: and happy to be in the studio with you. I'm
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Speaker 2: happy to be here too. I can't believe we're at
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Speaker 2: the end of another year. Can you believe it?
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Speaker 1: No, twenty twenty four really flew by in such a
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Speaker 1: blur that I'm kind of like, when I was like
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Speaker 1: thinking about this podcast today, is kind of like.
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Speaker 2: What did I do this year? Yeah? It was really
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Speaker 2: it was really really crazy. Yeah, a wild one. Do
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Speaker 2: you feel as though this year was in particularly more
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Speaker 2: crazy than usual? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I do, because our like so at Marie Claire, I
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Speaker 1: started in August twenty twenty three, which means I had
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Speaker 1: like a bit of twenty twenty three, but like my
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Speaker 1: job really, in my eyes, like really kicked off there
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Speaker 1: in the new year. So in like top of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four, we like really hit the ground running. And
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Speaker 1: so in doing that, it was everything from like starting
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Speaker 1: a newsletter to in consistently doing that, starting a podcast
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Speaker 1: and consistently doing that, getting two print issues off the ground,
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Speaker 1: getting four digital issues off the ground, and just like
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Speaker 1: flying just like really really flying through twenty twenty four
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Speaker 1: live events, all all of the things, and then also
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Speaker 1: like you know, my personal life stuff and so having
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Speaker 1: a life outside of work and maintaining that. So Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a really sort of wild twenty twenty four that.
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Speaker 2: I did not expect, knowing that it was going to
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Speaker 2: ramp up, Like you went in to twenty four, knowing
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Speaker 2: after the holidays that things were about to get wild.
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Speaker 2: Was there anything that you did preliminarily to gear yourself
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Speaker 2: up for that undertaking?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I really just tried to rest, Like
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Speaker 1: this is one of the first years. Twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: like end of twenty twenty three to beginning of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four was probably one of the first times that
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Speaker 1: I've ever taken like a solid two weeks off at
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Speaker 1: the end of the year, you know, very little phone time,
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Speaker 1: very little screen time, just hanging out with friends, hanging
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Speaker 1: out with family, fitness, all of that stuff. Just really
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Speaker 1: trying to prioritize that, just knowing that like it could
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Speaker 1: go a little haywire going into January and February.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that feel? How did it feel? Taking
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Speaker 2: the rest? Loved it?
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Speaker 1: I'm glad it was amazing. Everyone. If you can, like,
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Speaker 1: I highly highly recommend it. Just is really I think
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Speaker 1: the one time of the year when most people shut down,
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Speaker 1: and so to be able to do that, to be
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Speaker 1: able to work at a place that like afforded me
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that was really was really great.
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Speaker 2: How would you say at this point right now, how
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Speaker 2: are you doing? Really? How am I doing? Really? I'm tired.
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Speaker 1: I am tired, but not in a like in a
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Speaker 1: tired way where it's like I couldn't possibly go on.
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Speaker 1: There's a bit of like a tiredness where it's like, damn,
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Speaker 1: we did a lot this year, like holy shit, like
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Speaker 1: we got through so many things this year and can't
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Speaker 1: wait to see what like twenty five and twenty six
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Speaker 1: bring us. Yeah, Like I'm not dreading going into twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and I'm not dreading closing out this year.
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Speaker 1: Like I think end of twenty twenty three, I was
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Speaker 1: like wrap it up, like I'm done, Like let's go,
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Speaker 1: let's close things out. But now I'm just kind of like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four was really great and onward.
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Speaker 2: Was it what you expected or did it exceed your expectations?
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Speaker 1: I think that any expectations that I would have had
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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four, like life through so many curveballs
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Speaker 1: that I couldn't even predict half of the things, like
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Speaker 1: everything from you know, putting on live events from Marie
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Speaker 1: Claire to like running a relay race in Greece with Nike,
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Speaker 1: Like could not have predicted any of those things would
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Speaker 1: have popped up, really, And so I'm trying to not
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Speaker 1: put expectations or yeah, I'm just trying not to put
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Speaker 1: like expectations on what life will bring me in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five because it's kind of like I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to take things as they come.
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Speaker 2: I totally can relate to that, and I think that
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Speaker 2: we are set up in such a way that when
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Speaker 2: you have a reasonable expectation or maybe there are things
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Speaker 2: that are recurring, if you know that they're not going
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Speaker 2: to happen again, there's like that innate worry that comes up,
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Speaker 2: right because you know, well, this is what I you,
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Speaker 2: this is what I was used to. But I have
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Speaker 2: no reason to believe that I won't figure it out,
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Speaker 2: just because next year is going to look different than
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Speaker 2: it has in the previous years. And so for me,
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Speaker 2: like there are two big projects that I've done at
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the last two years and I'm not
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Speaker 2: doing them in twenty twenty five, and it's like okay, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's anxiety around that, but also I have no reason
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Speaker 2: to believe that it's not going to be okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like imagine what happening that having that open
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Speaker 1: space will bring you, Like things you may not even
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Speaker 1: know are on the horizon, Like you could get hit
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Speaker 1: jan one and somebody could be like, hey, do these
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Speaker 1: things instead and.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, my version of a Nike Grease Relay race. Wait,
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Speaker 2: we need to at least touch on the Nike Grease
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Speaker 2: Relay race. It was really crazy.
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Speaker 1: I got a text from Cheyenne and Aaron and they
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Speaker 1: were like, hey, what are you doing these dates? And
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, I think I'm going to be
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Speaker 1: in Europe for work actually, and they were like, do
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Speaker 1: you want to join Nike and be like, you know,
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Speaker 1: one of two people or one of like a handful
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Speaker 1: of people from the US to go run this relay
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Speaker 1: race in Greece for the it must have been the
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Speaker 1: PEG forty one, I want to say, for National Running Day.
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Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, sure, Like sure.
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Speaker 1: Why not?
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Speaker 2: Like how long do I have to run? Four miles? Okay? Cool?
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Speaker 1: And I'll go to Greece for a little bit, and
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Speaker 1: I'll have this new experience and meet new people from
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Speaker 1: all over the world. Like, I don't generally say no
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Speaker 1: to a lot of things, like especially those types of opportunities,
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Speaker 1: because I just never know where, like what they can
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Speaker 1: lead to in the future. So when those sorts of
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Speaker 1: wild things sort of pop up, I generally say yes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting though, because I also know you to
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Speaker 2: be someone who loves to own your now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, which is really funny. I say
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Speaker 1: no to things where I'm just sort of like MEH
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Speaker 1: on them. Yeah, Like I really do operate on a
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Speaker 1: sort of like if it's not a hell, yes, then
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Speaker 1: it's a yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's really empowering and also comes with
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Speaker 2: a lot of personal work, right, so much personal work.
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Speaker 1: One of my things, like we were talking about things
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Speaker 1: that we want to like keep what was it?
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Speaker 2: It was keep getting Nike things that we want to
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Speaker 2: stop start and keep doing in twenty twenty fives.
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Speaker 1: So stop for me is guilt, like feeling guilty about
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Speaker 1: saying no, feeling or like people pleasing tendencies, like in
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Speaker 1: a weird way, I had like I'm happy to own
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Speaker 1: my no. But with the no comes like a little
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Speaker 1: bit of guilt, a little bit of like how is
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Speaker 1: this going to affect me in the future? And I'm
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Speaker 1: really trying to get out of my head and stop
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Speaker 1: that sort of like guilt or the anxiety that comes
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Speaker 1: with saying no, and just like just own the no wholeheartedly.
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Speaker 2: How does someone stop feeling guilty about owning their no?
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Speaker 1: You tell me, I think it is just about being
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Speaker 1: fine with like sitting in the uncomfortability that may come
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Speaker 1: with a no, and then realizing that ultimately that no
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Speaker 1: is probably going to serve you more than saying yes would,
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Speaker 1: and like weighing like would you rather feel like shit
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Speaker 1: and kind of have done the thing that you didn't
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Speaker 1: want to do?
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Speaker 2: Or would you rather say no?
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Speaker 1: And then like, you know, a couple days later, be like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that was fine, right, That like sucked for maybe like
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Speaker 1: an hour of feeling the guilt, but okay, I'm over it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, stop feeling guilty in twenty twenty five for owning
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Speaker 2: your no. What do we want to start doing? Oh,
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Speaker 2: let me see, I want to start acupuncture. Oh I
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Speaker 2: love this journey for you. I want to start acupuncture.
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Speaker 1: That is the one thing like I feel like I've
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Speaker 1: like solidly sort of figured out my like wellness and
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Speaker 1: fitness routine as it stands, But I'd really like to
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Speaker 1: get into acupuncture because I think it would help with
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Speaker 1: stress levels.
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Speaker 2: It would help with me sort.
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Speaker 1: Of just like laying still for a period of time
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Speaker 1: and really not defaulting to like scrolling on my phone
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Speaker 1: when I want to sort of zone out and just
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Speaker 1: like sitting there, like laying still.
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Speaker 2: And through acupuncture aside from sitting still, what are you
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Speaker 2: helping to accomplish with it? Oh? I think it's a
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Speaker 2: reduction of stress levels. Okay, love that. Yeah, Okay, what
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Speaker 2: else are you doing aside from the inevitable acupuncture to
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Speaker 2: cope with your stress levels right now? Oh, that's a
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Speaker 2: great question.
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Speaker 1: It is a lot of just like movement, honestly, and
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Speaker 1: movement in a bunch of different ways. So that's training
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Speaker 1: with my trainer and go okafor that is running outside
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Speaker 1: with friends. I just recently one of my good girlfriends
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Speaker 1: just recently got into running, and so we meet, you know,
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Speaker 1: Saturday mornings and we do a loop in the park
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Speaker 1: and it's been really lovely for me to see her
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Speaker 1: growth in running. And so just like carving out that
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Speaker 1: you know, hour hour and a half space for us
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Speaker 1: to just sort of like run and talk has been
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Speaker 1: really fortifying.
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Speaker 2: And what else am I doing? I mean, I'm trying.
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Speaker 2: I'm always trying to get off my phone.
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Speaker 1: Like the internet is a weird dark place and a
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Speaker 1: lot of my job depends on it. But as much
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Speaker 1: as I cannot be on it, like I'm really trying.
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Speaker 2: Not to, Okay, I love the helping someone come up
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Speaker 2: in their own journey.
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Speaker 1: It's so for you, It's so great. It really is
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Speaker 1: like one of the most fulfilling things I've done.
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Speaker 2: It's fulfilling because you have the opportunity to help someone
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Speaker 2: be better in a way that they've expressed interest in doing.
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Speaker 2: It's not like you're saying to this person, oh, you
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Speaker 2: must come run with me, right, so you have this
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Speaker 2: time together. And then also the accountability of it all right,
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Speaker 2: to have someone that you know is going to be there,
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Speaker 2: that you have a like minded goal of moving your body,
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Speaker 2: working against stress and just enjoying the time. It's great.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was really nice and fulfilling for me
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Speaker 1: to see to It's the little things like I've been
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Speaker 1: running for you know ten years at this point, but
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Speaker 1: to see somebody who just go into running and see that,
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Speaker 1: like we built every weekend and we would you know,
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Speaker 1: she I think had run maybe a mile at most,
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Speaker 1: and then we did our first five k together like
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Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and just that growth to see it
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Speaker 1: really is like very cheesy and very like heartwarming, but
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Speaker 1: it's also like, wow, damn, she really put her mind
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Speaker 1: to something and I helped her put her mind to
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Speaker 1: that and we accomplished a goal together.
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Speaker 2: It's special. When would you say, is the last time
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Speaker 2: that the roles were reversed for you in a similar
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Speaker 2: way in that you were trying to acquire or learn
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Speaker 2: a new skill. It could even be professional a yeah,
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Speaker 2: and someone kind of took you under their wing to
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Speaker 2: help instill that within you. Yeah, I would.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think professionally this year, just being
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Speaker 1: an editor in chief and having Hillary Kerr, who is
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Speaker 1: my boss at Future and at Marie Claire just take
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Speaker 1: me under her wing and just like offer so much
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Speaker 1: guidance and support from you know, literally everything from the
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Speaker 1: stuff that I have to do in the day to
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Speaker 1: day to podcasting, like Hillary has the podcast Second Life,
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Speaker 1: and she was telling me the other day she thinks
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Speaker 1: she's done like almost five hundred interviews.
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Speaker 2: At this point, I was like, damn, Like, you need.
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Speaker 1: To come on my podcast and teach me the art
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Speaker 1: of podcasting, because that's crazy. Just having somebody like her
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Speaker 1: at you know, having access to somebody like Hillary and
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Speaker 1: being able to ask her any question has just been unexpected.
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Speaker 1: Like I didn't go into twenty twenty four, or I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess I went into twenty twenty four knowing that
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Speaker 1: I would be an editor in chief, but it was
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Speaker 1: still a new relationship with Hillary. So to watch that
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Speaker 1: sort of bloom has really been really so great for
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Speaker 1: me as well.
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Speaker 2: Mentorship, to that note, can be something that a lot
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Speaker 2: of people crave and seek for someone that is hoping
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Speaker 2: to mabe solidify a mentorship relationship in the new year.
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Speaker 2: Any advice on how to go about that in a
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Speaker 2: way that has a little bit more ease, Yeah, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think the thing about mentorship and when people want mentors,
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Speaker 1: they unfortunately, like sometimes maybe don't realize just how busy
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Speaker 1: their mentor is, and so to ask for a ton
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Speaker 1: of time for somebody may not be feasible on that
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Speaker 1: other person's end. So I would say, start setting up
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Speaker 1: like small bite size meetings, like hey, can I get
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of your time like once a month, and
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Speaker 1: then see how it grows from there. I also think
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Speaker 1: that people maybe underestimate that mentorship is a two way relationship,
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Speaker 1: and so people go into it and they say, I
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Speaker 1: want that person to be my mentor that person may
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Speaker 1: not be up for mentoring, you know, when really having
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Speaker 1: to to realize that it is sort of a reciprocal
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Speaker 1: relationship that takes time to build and may not sort
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Speaker 1: of like bloom initially, Like Hillary and I have been
16:50
Speaker 1: working together for a year now, and so it's a
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Speaker 1: much different relationship than we had.
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Speaker 2: You know, end of twenty twenty three, totally. And I
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Speaker 2: appreciate that fifteen minute bite size recommendation for the person
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Speaker 2: that's seeking that mentorship to go into that fifteen minutes
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Speaker 2: with thoughts, questions, ideas, et cetera, because it's not the
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Speaker 2: mentor's job to just spell all of this random wisdom
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Speaker 2: on you and be like cool, go off now, right.
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Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people when they are
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Speaker 1: looking for mentors, they are looking for somebody to just
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Speaker 1: like pour a whole bunch into them. But I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: as somebody who I think mentors people and I wholeheartedly
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Speaker 1: believe in like peer mentorship too. It's really like what
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Speaker 1: do you need? Like my question is always like, okay,
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Speaker 1: what do you want? And not in a bad way,
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Speaker 1: but like what do you actually want? And have you,
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Speaker 1: as the mentee taken the time to think about like
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Speaker 1: what you want and what you're hoping this mentorship relationship
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Speaker 1: will give you?
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Speaker 2: But how important is that in all of our relationships? Really?
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Speaker 2: Exactly if you're asking yourself what is it that I
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Speaker 2: want from this relationship and also having those realistic expectations
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Speaker 2: so that you know what relationship takes, what of you,
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Speaker 2: or demands what of you or what you can give
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Speaker 2: to each of these relationships. Knowing that you have a
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Speaker 2: reasonable expectation, that is critical, so critical. Nikki Yoganagi, what
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Speaker 2: are we keeping in twenty twenty five? Oh? Interesting? What
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Speaker 2: am I keeping? Let's see stretching immobility practice. Wow, do
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Speaker 2: you actually have a stretching.
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Speaker 1: I stretch every Sunday, I go to stretch class every
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Speaker 1: Sunday at the fit in, and then I do pilates
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Speaker 1: every Monday morning. And that has really that has actually tested.
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Speaker 2: Me in ways I mean I could.
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Speaker 1: Not have imagined like pilates is consistently hard, it's humbling,
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Speaker 1: but I keep going back for more because that is
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Speaker 1: one place it's a new sort of practice for me.
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Speaker 1: I've never done plates consistently. I've never done string journey
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Speaker 1: or I've never done stretching consistently, and so having both
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Speaker 1: of those, incorporating both of those into my life, I
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Speaker 1: think really having that sort of weakly humbling really sort
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Speaker 1: of keeps me on my toes. And also it is
19:07
Speaker 1: just like super helpful again in stress reduction for me.
19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, stretching is impressive. To go to a stretching class
19:14
Speaker 2: is very impressive. Forty five minutes every Sunday morning. Wow,
19:18
Speaker 2: talk about an investment in self. Do you feel differently
19:21
Speaker 2: incorporating the stretching into your routine? I do, Yeah, I
19:24
Speaker 2: really do.
19:24
Speaker 1: Actually, I think it makes a huge difference in terms
19:26
Speaker 1: of because I've like up to my strength training more,
19:30
Speaker 1: having the stretching and the mobility just practice in general,
19:34
Speaker 1: it just helps me like not be as stiff as sore,
19:37
Speaker 1: Like the sort of fluidity of my body I think
19:41
Speaker 1: is really helping me like move with ease throughout life.
19:45
Speaker 2: A little more. Isn't that the goal though? Isn't that
19:48
Speaker 2: the goal though? Yeah? If someone could tell me that
19:50
Speaker 2: forty five minutes a week would lessen the amount of
19:52
Speaker 2: lower back pain that I have or alleviate my stress,
19:55
Speaker 2: I would be like, it's an absolute no brainer, which
19:57
Speaker 2: is why I have been personally leaning into Yogalla. Yeah.
20:00
Speaker 1: I just did my first Y seven class the other day.
20:02
Speaker 1: The first one second I did why seven like when
20:05
Speaker 1: it first launched, but I haven't done it in so
20:08
Speaker 1: so long.
20:08
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I get it. Okay, Yeah, I
20:11
Speaker 2: get it, and I understand what we're doing in here.
20:13
Speaker 2: They've actually recently opened a new core power in Park
20:16
Speaker 2: Slope that I've been checking out. Oh really yeah, okay, okay,
20:19
Speaker 2: stretching and mobility. Keeping that in twenty twenty five, I'm
20:22
Speaker 2: really proud of you. Thank you, welcome.
20:24
Speaker 1: All of the stuff that I'm trying to do fitness wise,
20:26
Speaker 1: like really informs the way that I move through life, right,
20:30
Speaker 1: and so like the running, the strength training, you know, stretching, mobility,
20:35
Speaker 1: all of that really strengthens I think the way that
20:38
Speaker 1: I manage as an editor in chief, the way that
20:41
Speaker 1: I'm moving through life.
20:42
Speaker 2: I'm trying to just.
20:44
Speaker 1: Lean into continuing to give myself these like pockets of
20:49
Speaker 1: rest in these or active rest, however you want to
20:52
Speaker 1: call it, for myself so I can then pour into
20:57
Speaker 1: my team.
20:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I'm hearing you say is that this
21:00
Speaker 2: isn't just like, oh, I stumble into a class on Sunday.
21:03
Speaker 2: You have a schedule.
21:05
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're scheduled out to the point where my
21:07
Speaker 1: friends are like, what is happening? And I'm like, if
21:09
Speaker 1: you're not hoping on, like I told.
21:10
Speaker 2: You, guys, this is it.
21:12
Speaker 1: I would love to like figure it out. And my
21:15
Speaker 1: word for twenty twenty five is actually flexibility. So I'm
21:18
Speaker 1: trying to be a little more flexible in the scheduling
21:21
Speaker 1: of my life. But scheduling out fitness ensures that it
21:28
Speaker 1: is a priority.
21:29
Speaker 2: In my life and it doesn't fall by the wayside.
21:31
Speaker 2: Why do you think you're a scheduler? I think that
21:37
Speaker 2: life sort of demands it.
21:38
Speaker 1: I think my job sort of demands it, and so
21:41
Speaker 1: there's like kind of no way around it. But knowing
21:44
Speaker 1: that outside of work, I can schedule these pockets for
21:47
Speaker 1: myself ensures that I actually give back to myself.
21:50
Speaker 2: And also ensures that at times you can give back
21:53
Speaker 2: to your relationships, right, because I'm sure that your workouts
21:57
Speaker 2: are not the only thing that you're scheduling out weeks
22:00
Speaker 2: at a time. No, not at all.
22:01
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the like, Okay, are we going
22:04
Speaker 1: to go to dinner at Pullarbar? Like me and Philip,
22:06
Speaker 1: are we going to dinner Pullar? Okay, that's like two
22:08
Speaker 1: weeks out, So scheduling that like just making sure that
22:10
Speaker 1: there are moments for dates or moments for you know,
22:13
Speaker 1: hanging out with my sister when she's in town, brother,
22:16
Speaker 1: my niece's nephews, all of those people, just to make
22:18
Speaker 1: sure that they are a part of you know, like
22:22
Speaker 1: take priority in my life as well, because work is
22:24
Speaker 1: so all consuming.
22:25
Speaker 2: If I wanted it to be, right, if you wanted
22:27
Speaker 2: it to be And I love that approach to it.
22:29
Speaker 2: It's that it's not that by not allowing it to
22:32
Speaker 2: be all consuming, you're any less or more all in.
22:35
Speaker 2: It's just being able to put up these boundaries so
22:37
Speaker 2: that you know how to handle the responsibilities in a
22:40
Speaker 2: way that feels sustainable. Yeah, and I think that is
22:42
Speaker 2: super important articulate one hundred percent.
22:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that work can take over it could
22:49
Speaker 1: be everything, it could be anything. But we've seen continuously
22:53
Speaker 1: how work, how corporations can sort of just turn on you. Yeah,
22:57
Speaker 1: and so you have to have a sense of self.
23:01
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly believe you have to have a sense of
23:03
Speaker 1: self outside of work. Being able to run these races
23:06
Speaker 1: or porn to friends, peorn to family is helpful in
23:10
Speaker 1: me having a sense of self outside of work.
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Speaker 2: com today. Okay, so you mentioned that your word for
24:33
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is flexibility. I'll double click on that
24:35
Speaker 2: in a second, but first let's talk about your word
24:38
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four.
24:39
Speaker 1: My word for twenty twenty four was growth, and then
24:45
Speaker 1: I sort of changed it to growing because I wanted
24:49
Speaker 1: it to be active. I wanted to be able to
24:53
Speaker 1: think about continuously growing as the year goes on, as
24:56
Speaker 1: the days go on, minutes, all of that stuff, and
24:59
Speaker 1: so just being open to the act of continuously growing
25:03
Speaker 1: was really important for me.
25:04
Speaker 2: Okay, growing twenty twenty four. What would you say the
25:08
Speaker 2: hardest challenge was that you had to grow through in
25:11
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four?
25:12
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean work was intense. It's the
25:16
Speaker 1: first full year that I was an editor in chief,
25:18
Speaker 1: so that took a lot of growing through managing people.
25:23
Speaker 1: I feel like we've discussed this before, but managing people
25:26
Speaker 1: is a special set of skills that I think is
25:31
Speaker 1: somewhat inherent. But you can continue to you know, harness
25:35
Speaker 1: and tinker and grow and really sort of like learn people.
25:39
Speaker 1: So I did a lot of that in twenty twenty
25:41
Speaker 1: four and a lot of you know, I did some
25:43
Speaker 1: things I did really well. Some things that I look
25:45
Speaker 1: back on, I'm like, was wasn't my best performance. I
25:47
Speaker 1: probably could have done better there, But just like acknowledging
25:51
Speaker 1: that and growing from those things has been really important
25:53
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four.
25:54
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't acknowledge it, then you can't grow
25:56
Speaker 2: from it exactly. And I think that that whether we're
25:59
Speaker 2: talking person like, professionally, and whatever aspect it is that
26:02
Speaker 2: we're looking at here, that acknowledgement and meeting yourself with
26:05
Speaker 2: where you're at is the first step into getting anywhere else.
26:09
Speaker 2: And for those that have trouble then meeting themselves with
26:14
Speaker 2: where they're at or getting honest about it. I do
26:16
Speaker 2: think that there are a few tools that you can
26:18
Speaker 2: implement so that you can kind of break through those walls.
26:21
Speaker 2: For me, a really big practice is journaling and writing
26:24
Speaker 2: things down. Sometimes when you have these thoughts and you
26:27
Speaker 2: don't consolidate them into one place, they just kind of
26:30
Speaker 2: float around and allow you to kind of maybe stretch
26:33
Speaker 2: your own version of the truth. So journaling for me
26:36
Speaker 2: is really helpful. Also talking to other people about where
26:38
Speaker 2: I'm at. Do you have any tools that you use
26:40
Speaker 2: to kind of come to terms with what is?
26:43
Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a good question. I wish I could
26:47
Speaker 1: say journaling. I'm honestly not the best. I'm really not
26:50
Speaker 1: a good journaler. But I do think that talking to
26:53
Speaker 1: friends has been really helpful. I think, you know, I
26:57
Speaker 1: was talking to one of my really good friends and
26:59
Speaker 1: she told me something that she had learned in therapy
27:02
Speaker 1: was this concept of keeping your shirt on and so
27:04
Speaker 1: not overextending yourself, not rushing to solve other people's problems,
27:08
Speaker 1: which in learning that, I was like, oh, I actually
27:10
Speaker 1: do that often. And so taking those moments to really
27:13
Speaker 1: ask my friends what's going like what they have learned
27:16
Speaker 1: through their own sort of either therapy practices or check
27:21
Speaker 1: ins with themselves and trying to apply those learnings.
27:23
Speaker 2: Has been really helpful for me.
27:24
Speaker 1: And then I think like doing these sorts of not
27:28
Speaker 1: end of your wrap ups, but like really asking your
27:31
Speaker 1: self pointed questions and then responding to them is really key.
27:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've never done like any set, like any level
27:39
Speaker 2: of personal reflection had been like what a waste of time?
27:41
Speaker 2: That was?
27:42
Speaker 1: No, not at all, actually, no, no way. Yeah, it's
27:44
Speaker 1: just it's always such an opportunity to really stop and say, Okay,
27:49
Speaker 1: how did that make me feel? I feel like people
27:51
Speaker 1: really rush through life. I know I'm one of those
27:53
Speaker 1: people who like really rush through life. So stopping and
27:57
Speaker 1: thinking about questions like these is a is a weird exercise.
28:01
Speaker 2: And to your point you said sitting down with different friends,
28:04
Speaker 2: I think taking a look at your board of directors,
28:06
Speaker 2: knowing that the people that you surround yourself with they
28:09
Speaker 2: all bring different things to that boardroom table, right, So
28:12
Speaker 2: to be able to have conversations like this with different
28:15
Speaker 2: individuals is also super critical because it's not really like, oh,
28:19
Speaker 2: I've had one conversation about how the year went with
28:22
Speaker 2: one person, I can move forward now. It's like no, like,
28:25
Speaker 2: other people can really help you dial in on the
28:29
Speaker 2: different parts of your story, and that's super valuable. Totally.
28:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that for me as well,
28:35
Speaker 1: like hosting nice talk over this last year my podcast,
28:40
Speaker 1: I ask a lot of the same questions to all
28:42
Speaker 1: of the women that come on, so like when do
28:45
Speaker 1: you feel your most powerful?
28:46
Speaker 2: When do you feel powerless? Like how do you harness
28:49
Speaker 2: your power?
28:50
Speaker 1: How do you say no? How do you learn to
28:51
Speaker 1: advocate for yourself? Asking all of these different types of
28:55
Speaker 1: people from like Leno Waith and Asia Wilson to like
28:58
Speaker 1: Page Disorbo and you know Brinn from Real Housewives of
29:01
Speaker 1: New York. Like talking to all of these different types
29:03
Speaker 1: of women and asking them the same pointed questions has
29:07
Speaker 1: really been interesting for me because I get to take
29:09
Speaker 1: a little bit of advice, like slice of life from
29:12
Speaker 1: each person that I get to talk to.
29:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, how hard was it for you not to fan
29:16
Speaker 2: girl over Brynn? Because I listened to this episode and
29:19
Speaker 2: I was just giggling on my little run and listening
29:22
Speaker 2: to the two of you talk. I was like, Nikki
29:24
Speaker 2: is loving every ounce of this.
29:25
Speaker 1: I truly like every person that I get to speak
29:28
Speaker 1: with on the podcast is like hand chosen, hand selected
29:31
Speaker 1: for a reason for one reason or the other.
29:34
Speaker 2: Brinn, I think, is like actually just hysterical. I really
29:38
Speaker 2: like her.
29:38
Speaker 1: I know she's having a tough season on Real Housewives
29:40
Speaker 1: of New York this season, but like, I have a
29:42
Speaker 1: soft spot for her and there and I think that
29:45
Speaker 1: she is when I think of like women in New
29:49
Speaker 1: York who are trying to make it on their own,
29:50
Speaker 1: trying to do their own thing, have their own businesses,
29:53
Speaker 1: I really do think she embodies that, and so it
29:55
Speaker 1: was so fun to talk to her.
29:56
Speaker 2: I love that you mentioned twenty twenty five the word
29:59
Speaker 2: is flexibilit Why is flexibility important to you in twenty
30:02
Speaker 2: twenty five?
30:03
Speaker 1: Flexibility manifests itself in a couple of different ways, or
30:06
Speaker 1: I see it manifesting itself in a couple of different
30:08
Speaker 1: ways over twenty twenty five.
30:10
Speaker 2: So literally physically, so.
30:12
Speaker 1: Like being able to like continuing to stretch a mobility
30:16
Speaker 1: and yoga and all of those things, but also just
30:18
Speaker 1: flexibility in work and in life. Like if there's one
30:22
Speaker 1: thing that being an editor in chief at Marie Claras
30:25
Speaker 1: taught me is that I never know what the day
30:27
Speaker 1: will bring, and just being able to roll with the punches,
30:31
Speaker 1: or if I do get punched, then getting back up
30:34
Speaker 1: in good time is I think inherent to longevity in
30:38
Speaker 1: this business.
30:39
Speaker 2: So that's really important to me.
30:40
Speaker 1: And then flexibility with friends and with you know, relationships
30:45
Speaker 1: and family, Like I don't know where I will be personally,
30:50
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to plan. I may have to
30:52
Speaker 1: pop up and fly to Paris in three weeks, like
30:55
Speaker 1: who knows, And so just being able to be comfortable
30:58
Speaker 1: a bit in that flexibility is really important. So I
31:01
Speaker 1: don't like snap when something just like goes slightly off course.
31:05
Speaker 2: It's just so challenging, understandably rely tough, right because also,
31:11
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, you are someone who loves a schedule.
31:14
Speaker 2: You already know what you're doing two to three weeks
31:17
Speaker 2: from now, should a trip to Paris pop up, and
31:20
Speaker 2: then having to go back and pivot and move and
31:24
Speaker 2: shake from that can understandably feel a little bit frustrating.
31:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it can feel unnerving a little bit too,
31:30
Speaker 1: Like I realize over the pandemic and then just over
31:34
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, like I am not good
31:36
Speaker 1: with change, and that was very illuminating for me, and
31:42
Speaker 1: I just sort of have to get better with change.
31:44
Speaker 1: I would think one way to get better with change
31:46
Speaker 1: is just embracing flexibility.
31:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable though the difficulty that comes with navigating change
31:54
Speaker 2: and also the importance of having grace with yourself knowing
31:58
Speaker 2: that so much of the change that we experienced over
32:01
Speaker 2: the last handful of years was not only unforeseen but
32:05
Speaker 2: also hate this word, but unprecedented.
32:08
Speaker 1: Right, and so we're knowing as well that we're heading
32:12
Speaker 1: into another four years of uncharted, unprecedented territory. Like flexibility
32:17
Speaker 1: is going to be the only thing that gets me through.
32:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, like full stop, and good people and good movement
32:22
Speaker 2: and perhaps good wine, definitely good wine, absolutely Okay, Looking
32:27
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty five, what would you say you're most
32:30
Speaker 2: excited about, Nikki.
32:32
Speaker 1: Oh, what am I most excited about in twenty twenty five?
32:35
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's like settling into.
32:39
Speaker 1: Who I was able to grow into in twenty twenty four. Honestly,
32:42
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what life and twenty twenty
32:46
Speaker 1: five will bring me. In terms of work, Like, I
32:49
Speaker 1: think I'm honestly just getting started at Marie Clair. So
32:53
Speaker 1: this last year was like definitely a growing year, So
32:55
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what that brings me.
32:57
Speaker 2: And then for friends and relationships, I'm.
32:59
Speaker 1: Really excited to continue to grow them. Honestly, I think
33:03
Speaker 1: I've really sort of settled into who I am, and
33:08
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of myself and I'm really just excited
33:10
Speaker 1: to continue to grow in that way.
33:13
Speaker 2: This word growing is really resonant for us here today.
33:15
Speaker 2: I think so it is it should be. When you
33:18
Speaker 2: think about who it is that you are at your core,
33:20
Speaker 2: what comes to mind, I'm kind of silly.
33:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a silly side in here, and I think
33:29
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm an optimist honestly, Like, yeah, i
33:33
Speaker 1: think I'm an optimist. I'm really excited to knowing that
33:37
Speaker 1: these next years will be possibly tough. I still am
33:41
Speaker 1: a half I'm still a glass half full kind of go.
33:44
Speaker 2: Yeah you are. Then we know that energy that tracks
33:47
Speaker 2: like energy. So by being an optimist and choosing to
33:51
Speaker 2: view things with this glass half full perspective, you are
33:54
Speaker 2: then met with situations and people that also treat you
33:57
Speaker 2: with that good energy percent.
34:00
Speaker 1: Another word I would add is pragmatic, Like I'm very
34:04
Speaker 1: sort of I don't have my heads in the clouds,
34:08
Speaker 1: Like I know very clearly what is happening, and I
34:11
Speaker 1: can accept it and I may not like it, but
34:13
Speaker 1: I can't accept it and understand it and say okay,
34:16
Speaker 1: like it's not great but maybe the positive way of
34:19
Speaker 1: looking at this is this, or maybe there's not a
34:23
Speaker 1: positive way of looking at and you just got to
34:24
Speaker 1: sit in it for a little bit and then you
34:26
Speaker 1: can move on.
34:26
Speaker 2: Have you always been pragmatic? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Well I
34:30
Speaker 2: think some people that like hear you explain that, they're like, wow,
34:32
Speaker 2: that attitude or that approach sounds very pleasant, and maybe
34:35
Speaker 2: I don't know how to harness that approach. So that's
34:37
Speaker 2: why I A.
34:38
Speaker 1: I know, I have always been pragmatic, and I think
34:42
Speaker 1: it's mostly because like working in the in the fashion industry,
34:45
Speaker 1: like you can get spun out and spun in dizzying
34:49
Speaker 1: ways all the time.
34:52
Speaker 2: If you allow yourself to.
34:53
Speaker 1: And so I really just try to stay rooted and
34:56
Speaker 1: pragmatic in my daily life so I don't get like
35:00
Speaker 1: spun away in a tornado.
35:01
Speaker 2: You know, it's.
35:02
Speaker 1: Catastrophizing, like this industry, the news, like people love to catastrophize,
35:06
Speaker 1: and I really really try to not fall for.
35:09
Speaker 2: That, Wow, catastrophizing. We don't want to do that. In
35:13
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
35:14
Speaker 1: You will find yourself catastrophizing, will be like damn, how
35:16
Speaker 1: did that happen?
35:17
Speaker 2: Literally how did I get there? But The thing is
35:19
Speaker 2: is that once you start catastrophizing one thing again. I
35:22
Speaker 2: know I just said this, but energy attracts like energy, right,
35:24
Speaker 2: So if you are sitting there thinking about the worst
35:27
Speaker 2: possible case scenario in one aspect of your life, then
35:30
Speaker 2: I guarantee you that it's gonna feel like the dominoes
35:32
Speaker 2: are starting to fall everywhere around.
35:34
Speaker 1: And everything is just like I can't catch a break,
35:37
Speaker 1: or this is so shitty, your life is so horrible,
35:39
Speaker 1: and it's like, gotta break yourself of that.
35:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about the word for twenty four being growing.
35:45
Speaker 2: Would you say that that growth is what you're actually
35:47
Speaker 2: most proud of?
35:50
Speaker 1: I am really proud of the growth of twenty twenty four. Yeah,
35:53
Speaker 1: I am very, very proud of the growth of twenty
35:55
Speaker 1: twenty four. And I'm also proud of the sort of
36:00
Speaker 1: residual growth that I think I've been able to impart
36:03
Speaker 1: on people around me, from colleagues to friends to a family.
36:09
Speaker 2: We love growth, We love growth for all. As you
36:11
Speaker 2: start to wind down here, Nikki, tell me, what is
36:13
Speaker 2: one thing that you're doing now that you never really
36:17
Speaker 2: envisioned yourself doing, either personally or professionally.
36:22
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like a handful of things. Number one
36:26
Speaker 1: is being daitor in chief. If you had asked me
36:28
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven if I was going to
36:32
Speaker 1: do this job, I don't know that I well, I
36:35
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't have said yes. It just wasn't even
36:38
Speaker 1: on a vision board for me. So that's really really exciting.
36:41
Speaker 2: What was on a vision board? Oh in two thousand
36:43
Speaker 2: and seven, Yeah, it was small.
36:45
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a market director and that job
36:48
Speaker 1: barely even exists anymore. So it was I think for
36:52
Speaker 1: me in two thousand and seven, graduating from college, I
36:56
Speaker 1: didn't even know what like this world could afford me,
36:59
Speaker 1: and so just dreaming big, embracing the expansiveness of life
37:06
Speaker 1: has been key. In continuing to embrace that has been integral,
37:11
Speaker 1: I think to my success.
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny because I always think about and
37:16
Speaker 2: love by this. Remember when you wanted what you have
37:18
Speaker 2: now concept and I too can relate to that. I
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Speaker 2: didn't even know that I could be doing what I'm doing,
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Speaker 2: and I never envisioned some of the things that are
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Speaker 2: now on my vision board. And I think that that's
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Speaker 2: a really powerful place to be in, to be in
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Speaker 2: this place where you realize and have an appreciation for
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Speaker 2: where you're at, and then now are empowered and not
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Speaker 2: so scared to dream even bigger. Yeah, that's some pretty
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Speaker 2: awesome Stuffred percent, what facets of the job are you? Like?
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Speaker 2: This is exactly where I'm supposed to be right now.
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Speaker 2: I really love the big ideation. I like the idea of.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say, pushing people, but really encouraging
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Speaker 1: people to be better. I've always said that I know
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Speaker 1: I have high standards, but I'm not unfair.
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Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, delusional. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not unfair.
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Speaker 1: And so just knowing that having high standards can bring
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Speaker 1: a product, can bring a brand, can bring myself to
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Speaker 1: new heights is really inspiring.
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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. All right. The last
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Speaker 2: thing we're going to do here today is we're going
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Speaker 2: to set a smart goal for twenty twenty five. Oh interesting? Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 2: so do you have one off the top of your head? No,
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Speaker 2: how do smart goals work? I shall know this? No,
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Speaker 2: I love I love being this person for you. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Smart goals specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, and time bound. So
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Speaker 2: an example of a smart goal that would be like
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Speaker 2: a habit based goal would be I'm going to drink
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Speaker 2: three thirty two ounce bottles of water a day right now.
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Speaker 2: I probably drink too if I'm lucky. This is me
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Speaker 2: confessing my weakest area of wellness. So it's specific in
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Speaker 2: that it's three bottles, it's measurable, it's three bottles. It's
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Speaker 2: attainable because I'm at too, so like one more bottle
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Speaker 2: is it's doable. It's relevant because I care about it,
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Speaker 2: because I'm active, because I know the benefits of hydration,
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Speaker 2: and it's time bound in that I want to do
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Speaker 2: it over the course of one day. Now, you could
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Speaker 2: have like a milestone goal, which is in November, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to run the New York City Marathon. That if
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Speaker 2: you are someone that cares passionately about running already has
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Speaker 2: some sort of a base, that could be a realistic
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Speaker 2: smart goal for you. Okay, that's good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think then my smart goal. I
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Speaker 1: know you guys are tired of me hearing saying this,
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Speaker 1: but it really would revolve around stretching. So I want
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Speaker 1: to stretch like twenty minutes a day, and that could
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Speaker 1: be broken up. I would see myself doing it in
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Speaker 1: small chunks, so like ten minutes in the morning, ten
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Speaker 1: minutes in the evening and doing it, you know, five
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Speaker 1: days a week.
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Speaker 2: How many days a week are you doing that right now? Three? Oh? Okay, okay,
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Speaker 2: then that is a smart goal. So it would be
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Speaker 2: unsmart if you told me you were doing it one
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Speaker 2: day a week right now, and then you wanted to
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Speaker 2: do it five days a week. So a smart goal
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Speaker 2: for someone who's currently stretching for twenty minutes three days
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Speaker 2: a week could be I want to stretch for twenty
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Speaker 2: minutes five days a week. Yeah, Okay, there it is.
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Speaker 2: There's your smart gorole for twenty check in at the
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Speaker 2: end of the year. You know that we will thank you.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad always to have the opportunity to sit
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Speaker 2: down with you. It brings me so much joy and
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Speaker 2: you're all of your optimistic awesomeness. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: For those that don't follow along with you, just yet
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Speaker 2: give us the lowdown.
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Speaker 1: Okay, socials, you can find me nikki Ogoon on any
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Speaker 1: Talk is the name of the podcast wherever you get
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Speaker 2: And that's it. I'm over at Emily Body and at
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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.
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