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- 0:00Host 1: Imagine, watching the referee of a World Cup match, reverse a red card.
- 0:03Host 1: Not because of like a VAR review,
- 0:05Host 1: but because a billionaire politician half a world away just demanded it.
- 0:09Host 2: I mean it sounds like absolute fiction honestly.
- 0:12Host 1: Right.
- 0:13Host 1: But today, we are looking at a stack of Portuguese front pages
- 0:16Host 1: from July 7, 2026.
- 0:18Host 1: And the lines between international sports, global superpowers,
- 0:22Host 1: and even, you know, the parking fines you get on your own street,
- 0:25Host 1: they have completely evaporated.
- 0:28Host 2: It is a really remarkable snapshot in time.
- 0:31Host 2: We are looking at reporting from Publico, Diario de Noticias,
- 0:34Host 2: Correio da Manhã and Jornal de Notícias.
- 0:37Host 2: And what you see across all of them is this, uh, this picture
- 0:40Host 2: of a world in a severe state of transition.
- 0:43Host 2: Really struggling to manage the mechanics of change.
- 0:47Host 1: And that transition is coming with an incredibly heavy price tags for the country.
- 0:51Host 1: So, today's deep dive is really a collision of endings.
- 0:54Host 1: We have deeply emotional exit from the World Cup,
- 0:57Host 1: geopolitical tugs of war happening on multiple continents,
- 1:00Host 1: and a staggering 17 billion euro bill coming due for the nation's future.
- 1:04Host 2: Yeah, that bill is definitely the anchor of today's news.
- 1:07Host 1: It is. And what's wild is how these massive global forces,
- 1:10Host 1: I'm talking demographics, international defense, artificial intelligence,
- 1:14Host 1: are directly trickling down to disrupt your daily life as a listener.
- 1:18Host 1: Right down to your local high school exams, and the ATM on your corner.
- 1:22Host 2: Which is exactly why we need to look at how these pieces fit together.
- 1:25Host 2: Because global events, they don't just happen in a vacuum, right?
- 1:29Host 2: They dictate local realities.
- 1:31Host 1: Okay, let's unpack this.
- 1:33Host 2: Yeah.
- 1:34Host 1: Because we have to start with the most visceral emotional news
- 1:37Host 1: dominating every single front page today.
- 1:39Host 1: Portugal's 2026 World Cup run is officially over.
- 1:43Host 2: Yeah.
- 1:44Host 2: A painful zero to one loss to Spain.
- 1:47Host 1: Decided right at the end too, in stoppage time.
- 1:50Host 1: The dreaded mata-mata.
- 1:51Host 2: It's the kind of loss that leaves a collective mark on a country, you know.
- 1:55Host 1: Yeah.
- 1:56Host 2: The coverage highlights an absolutely brilliant performance by the goalkeeper, Diogo Costa.
- 2:00Host 1: He was incredible.
- 2:02Host 2: He really was. But a decisive injury to Nuno Mendes
- 2:05Host 2: fundamentally shifted the momentum of the match.
- 2:08Host 2: And of course, this marks the departure of the coach, Roberto Martinez,
- 2:12Host 2: who is bidding his final farewell to the national team.
- 2:16Host 1: But the image plastered everywhere, on every paper,
- 2:19Host 1: is Cristiano Ronaldo leaving the pitch in tears, his last dance.
- 2:23Host 1: It is such a raw human moment.
- 2:26Host 1: But what I'm really struggling with is how,
- 2:29Host 1: right next to this deeply emotional sports coverage,
- 2:32Host 1: the papers are detailing a FIFA controversy
- 2:35Host 1: that reads like a geopolitical thriller.
- 2:38Host 2: Ah, the Balogun case.
- 2:40Host 1: Yes, the Balogun case.
- 2:42Host 2: It is a perfect example of how sports
- 2:45Host 2: are no longer insulated from hard power at all.
- 2:48Host 1: Okay, so according to the reports,
- 2:50Host 1: FIFA was under intense pressure to lift a suspension and a red card
- 2:54Host 1: for a US player.
- 2:56Host 1: And the papers state this request came directly from Donald Trump.
- 2:59Host 2: Right.
- 3:00Host 1: Now, FIFA president Gianni Infantino is officially denying that he yielded to that pressure,
- 3:04Host 1: but mysteriously, the punishment was removed.
- 3:07Host 1: UEFA is publicly claiming Infantino crossed a red line,
- 3:10Host 1: and the European Commission is stepping in, demanding fair play.
- 3:14Host 1: I mean, it feels surreal.
- 3:16Host 2: It really does.
- 3:18Host 2: It's like a referee changing a foul
- 3:20Host 2: because the stadium's billionaire landlord just glared at him from the VIP box.
- 3:24Host 2: Our international sports just a proxy for geopolitical bullying now?
- 3:28Host 1: Well, it's actually worse than just glaring from a VIP box.
- 3:31Host 1: It represents an erosion of institutional firewalls.
- 3:33Host 1: Historically, global sports bodies like FIFA, they fiercely guarded their political neutrality.
- 3:38Host 2: For at least the illusion of it.
- 3:40Host 1: Exactly, the illusion of it.
- 3:42Host 1: But what we are seeing now is the merging of soft power,
- 3:45Host 1: which is culture, sports, global appeal,
- 3:48Host 1: with hard power, meaning diplomatic and economic leverage.
- 3:51Host 1: When the European Commission feels compelled to formally intervene in a football dispute,
- 3:55Host 1: it tells you that the old rules governing institutional independence are just breaking down.
- 4:00Host 2: Here's where it gets really interesting though.
- 4:02Host 2: Because that gravitational pull from the United States,
- 4:05Host 2: it doesn't stop at the edge of the football pitch.
- 4:08Host 2: It is bleeding directly into today's geopolitical headlines.
- 4:11Host 1: Yeah, you see it everywhere.
- 4:13Host 2: At the NATO Summit in Ankara,
- 4:16Host 2: Publico is reporting that Mark Rutte is actively praising Trump
- 4:19Host 2: for driving the modernization of NATO.
- 4:22Host 2: Yet if you flip the page,
- 4:24Host 2: the very same papers outline how Europe is desperately seeking
- 4:28Host 2: to free itself from American defense dependence.
- 4:31Host 1: What's fascinating here is the sheer paradox of the transatlantic relationship.
- 4:34Host 1: We are looking at a Europe that is publicly acknowledging
- 4:38Host 1: it needs to stand on its own two feet militarily.
- 4:41Host 2: Right.
- 4:42Host 1: The narrative of strategic autonomy is the stated goal.
- 4:45Host 1: But the mechanics of achieving that are incredibly messy.
- 4:49Host 1: You have the leadership of the alliance specifically commending the US
- 4:52Host 1: for pushing that modernization forward,
- 4:55Host 1: acknowledging that European defense is still fundamentally tethered to American influence.
- 4:59Host 1: And while Europe is trying to untangle its military apparatus from Washington,
- 5:03Host 1: culturally, the entanglement is as strong as ever.
- 5:06Host 1: I noticed Publico running a massive feature celebrating 250 years of the United States.
- 5:10Host 2: Oh yeah, that huge spread.
- 5:12Host 1: Yeah, explicitly highlighting its grip on global pop culture.
- 5:15Host 1: They phrase it as, "from Reagan to Reggaeton".
- 5:18Host 1: And Diario de Noticias has a huge spread on Sam Shaw's memories of Marilyn Monroe.
- 5:23Host 1: We are simultaneously trying to push away their military umbrella
- 5:26Host 1: while completely immersing ourselves in their cultural history.
- 5:29Host 2: Well, because you can legislate defense treaties,
- 5:32Host 2: but you cannot legislate away a century of cultural dominance.
- 5:35Host 2: And the papers are actively juxtaposing this American influence
- 5:38Host 2: against severe unrest elsewhere.
- 5:40Host 1: It's a stark contrast.
- 5:42Host 2: Very stark.
- 5:44Host 2: You have millions in Tehran shouting for revenge at Ayatollah Khamenei's funeral.
- 5:47Host 2: Over in Brazil, the political theater is reaching a fever pitch.
- 5:51Host 2: The papers describe Michelle Bolsonaro acting as a "metaphorical suicide bomber",
- 5:55Host 2: a mulher-bomba, bringing massive disruption to Flavio Bolsonaro's political campaign.
- 5:59Host 2: It's a globe just vibrating with friction.
- 6:01Host 1: But trying to isolate yourself from that kind of superpower friction
- 6:05Host 1: isn't just a matter of changing your foreign policy, it requires hard cash.
- 6:08Host 2: Absolutely. If you want to step out from under a global security umbrella,
- 6:12Host 2: you have to buy your own raincoat.
- 6:15Host 2: Yeah. According to a major report in Diario de Noticias,
- 6:18Host 2: Portugal's raincoat is going to cost an astonishing 17 billion euros.
- 6:22Host 1: If we connect this to the bigger picture,
- 6:24Host 1: this financial report is arguably the linchpin for everything else happening in the country today.
- 6:29Host 2: It really is.
- 6:31Host 1: It outlines a required budget adjustment of 17 billion euros by 2035.
- 6:34Host 1: To put that in perspective, we are talking about a 40% adjustment to public accounts.
- 6:39Host 1: The report explicitly cites Portugal as the country in the Eurozone
- 6:42Host 1: that will suffer the most pressure.
- 6:45Host 2: 40%. That is a terrifying leap for a national budget in less than a decade.
- 6:49Host 2: And when you look at the breakdown of where this money has to go,
- 6:53Host 2: the mechanics are just eye-opening.
- 6:55Host 2: First, there's 5.8 billion euros required purely for the aging population.
- 6:59Host 1: Right, demographic shift.
- 7:01Host 2: And the report notes this is after factoring in
- 7:03Host 2: the rejuvenating economic effect of immigration.
- 7:06Host 2: I think a lot of people assume an influx of younger, working-age immigrants
- 7:10Host 2: completely offsets an aging populace. Why isn't it enough?
- 7:13Host 1: It comes down to the math of the dependency ratio.
- 7:16Host 1: That's the number of retirees relying on the system
- 7:19Host 1: versus the number of active workers funding it.
- 7:22Host 1: While robust immigration certainly adds younger taxpayers to the base,
- 7:25Host 1: it simply cannot keep pace with the biological reality
- 7:28Host 1: of the baby boomer generation entering deep retirement.
- 7:31Host 2: So the costs just outweigh the new income.
- 7:34Host 1: Exponentially.
- 7:36Host 1: The surge in healthcare costs, chronic care, and pension payouts
- 7:39Host 1: vastly outstrips the new tax revenue.
- 7:41Host 1: The demographic math is unrelenting.
- 7:44Host 2: Okay, so 5.8 billion is just the biological reality.
- 7:47Host 2: Then comes the geopolitical reality we were just talking about.
- 7:50Host 2: The country's biggest creditor is demanding 6.4 billion euros
- 7:53Host 2: to meet NATO obligations.
- 7:55Host 1: The literal price tag for European defense independence.
- 7:58Host 2: Exactly.
- 7:59Host 2: But it was the third bucket of this 17 billion euro bill
- 8:03Host 2: that actually made me do a double take.
- 8:05Host 2: They need an additional 4.5 billion euro buffer
- 8:08Host 2: for potential future crises.
- 8:10Host 2: They specifically cite the risk of war,
- 8:13Host 2: and, uh, an AI-triggered stock market collapse.
- 8:16Host 1: It is a remarkable and very sobering inclusion for a national macroeconomic forecast.
- 8:19Host 2: I'm struggling to wrap my head around that. I mean,
- 8:22Host 2: I hear tech bloggers warning about AI bubbles all the time,
- 8:26Host 2: but the fact that a national government is actively setting aside billions of euros
- 8:30Host 2: because they expect an AI-induced market crash by 2035...
- 8:33Host 2: Wait, really, how does an algorithm writing code or generating text
- 8:36Host 2: cause a localized budget crisis in Portugal?
- 8:39Host 1: Well, think about how corporate valuations and tax revenues currently work.
- 8:43Host 1: Artificial intelligence is not just a software update.
- 8:46Host 1: It is a foundational disruption to the white-collar economy.
- 8:49Host 2: Right.
- 8:50Host 1: If AI rapidly automates vast sectors of knowledge work,
- 8:53Host 1: the companies structured around human capital
- 8:56Host 1: could see their valuations plummet almost overnight.
- 8:58Host 1: Algorithms panic sell, markets crash,
- 9:01Host 1: and suddenly, the state faces a massive drop in corporate tax revenue
- 9:05Host 1: precisely when unemployment claims surge.
- 9:07Host 2: Oh wow. So the government is essentially trying to build
- 9:10Host 2: a 4.5 billion euro financial seawall
- 9:13Host 2: against an entirely new category of technological disaster.
- 9:16Host 1: Precisely. When you combine the technological leap of AI
- 9:19Host 1: with the biological reality of aging,
- 9:21Host 1: and the geopolitical demands of NATO,
- 9:23Host 1: you have a perfect storm.
- 9:25Host 1: The state has to hoard capital just to ensure it doesn't default
- 9:29Host 1: when these forces hit.
- 9:31Host 2: So what does this all mean for you and me right now?
- 9:34Host 2: Because 2035 sounds like a distant problem.
- 9:36Host 2: But when you flip to the domestic news,
- 9:39Host 2: it is glaringly obvious that the national infrastructure
- 9:42Host 2: is already buckling under the pressure of today.
- 9:45Host 1: It really is.
- 9:47Host 2: We are supposedly bracing for an AI-era future.
- 9:50Host 2: But our digital systems look like they're running on a 1990s motherboard
- 9:54Host 2: that is literally overheating.
- 9:55Host 1: The contrast between the macro planning and the micro execution is jarring.
- 9:59Host 1: The domestic crises on today's front pages show a system in deep distress.
- 10:03Host 2: Let's look at the education system.
- 10:05Host 2: If you are a parent or a teacher listening to this,
- 10:08Host 2: your summer holiday is effectively being held hostage right now.
- 10:12Host 2: National high school exams are completely frozen.
- 10:14Host 1: And not because of a strike.
- 10:16Host 2: No. It's because of security fragilities in the state's brand new digitization platform.
- 10:20Host 2: It simply doesn't work.
- 10:22Host 2: Families and teachers have their holidays suspended in desperation.
- 10:25Host 2: And the Minister of Education, Fernando Alexandre,
- 10:27Host 2: is under heavy fire for allegedly hiding the name of the company responsible
- 10:31Host 2: for the chaos.
- 10:32Host 1: This raises an important question about institutional competence.
- 10:35Host 1: We just discussed the necessity of bracing for a complex AI revolution
- 10:39Host 1: over the next decade.
- 10:40Host 1: Yet the state apparatus is currently paralyzed
- 10:43Host 1: by the implementation of basic digital exam grading.
- 10:46Host 2: It's unbelievable.
- 10:47Host 1: If the infrastructure cannot secure a PDF of a high school test,
- 10:50Host 1: how on earth does it navigate the transition to an automated economy?
- 10:53Host 2: Exactly, it completely shatters your confidence.
- 10:56Host 2: And that system overload isn't just digital.
- 10:58Host 2: It's human.
- 10:59Host 2: Politically, the AD, the Democratic Alliance,
- 11:02Host 2: is alerting the country to a political crisis,
- 11:04Host 2: blaming the opposition's immaturity.
- 11:06Host 1: Right.
- 11:07Host 2: And on the ground, the healthcare system is stretched so thin
- 11:10Host 2: that at ULS Santo Antonio, medical interns are now being formally drafted
- 11:14Host 2: to work Saturdays, just to keep the wards functioning.
- 11:17Host 1: The human infrastructure is exhausted.
- 11:19Host 1: And when you look at the environmental reporting today,
- 11:22Host 1: it perfectly mirrors that institutional exhaustion.
- 11:24Host 2: It is incredibly grim.
- 11:26Host 2: The fires in Vouzela have just pushed Portugal
- 11:28Host 2: to a European record for burned area in 2026.
- 11:31Host 2: On top of that, a brutal heat wave with temperatures soaring over 40 degrees
- 11:35Host 2: tragically killed two sisters working in a greenhouse.
- 11:38Host 1: Just heartbreaking.
- 11:39Host 2: And in this bitter, almost absurd irony of economics clashing with climate,
- 11:43Host 2: a 6% VAT reduction has just ended.
- 11:45Host 2: Which immediately halted the consumer rush to buy air conditioners,
- 11:49Host 2: right when people need them most.
- 11:51Host 1: It is a cascading failure.
- 11:53Host 1: The physical environment is overheating, the state's digital systems are failing,
- 11:56Host 1: the medical staff are overworked.
- 11:58Host 1: And economic policy, like ending that VAT break,
- 12:01Host 1: is directly freezing the population's ability to adapt to the immediate climate reality.
- 12:05Host 2: And when national systems freeze up, the financial burden doesn't just disappear.
- 12:09Host 2: It falls downward.
- 12:11Host 2: It lands squarely on local communities and individual wallets.
- 12:14Host 1: Mmhmm.
- 12:15Host 2: If you follow the money down to the granular street level today,
- 12:18Host 2: the frictions are everywhere.
- 12:20Host 1: Absolutely everywhere.
- 12:22Host 2: Look at the political party accounts for 2025 that just dropped.
- 12:25Host 2: While the country is bracing for a 17 billion euro bill,
- 12:29Host 2: the PSD almost doubled its profit to 2.4 million euros.
- 12:32Host 1: Wow.
- 12:33Host 2: Yeah, and the Chega party quadrupled its results.
- 12:36Host 2: Meanwhile, the PS, despite improving, and the Bloco de Esquerda, registered losses.
- 12:40Host 1: It highlights a stark disconnect, you know.
- 12:42Host 1: The political entities managing these cascading crises
- 12:45Host 1: are, in many cases, financially thriving,
- 12:48Host 1: while local institutions are scrambling to consolidate.
- 12:50Host 1: In the banking sector, for example,
- 12:53Host 1: we see Credito Agricola resolving rescues of local banks through mergers,
- 12:56Host 1: consolidating power as smaller entities struggle to survive.
- 12:59Host 2: And then there's the story of the Multibanco ATMs,
- 13:02Host 2: which I find fascinating because it sounds like a positive innovation on the surface.
- 13:06Host 1: Yeah.
- 13:07Host 2: There's this pilot project called PRRado,
- 13:10Host 2: bringing ATMs directly into smaller rural communities.
- 13:13Host 1: Right, increasing access.
- 13:15Host 2: But the papers report this project is actively draining funds
- 13:18Host 2: from the local parish councils.
- 13:20Host 2: How does giving people a cash machine bankrupt a local council?
- 13:23Host 1: Well, because of how the implementation costs are structured.
- 13:26Host 1: The technology solves a consumer problem, access to cash in banking deserts,
- 13:30Host 1: but the financial architecture of the PRRado program
- 13:33Host 1: shifts the burden of installation, security, internet connectivity, and maintenance
- 13:36Host 1: directly onto the parish councils.
- 13:38Host 2: Oh, I see.
- 13:40Host 1: Yeah. So the state and the banks get the credit for modernization,
- 13:43Host 1: but the smallest units of local government are the ones footing the bill,
- 13:47Host 1: essentially turning a banking service into a local taxpayer expense.
- 13:50Host 2: That shifting of financial burdens downwards isn't just happening to local governments though.
- 13:54Host 2: It is happening directly to citizens through highly aggressive, automated enforcement.
- 13:57Host 2: Take the e-parking situation in Porto.
- 13:59Host 1: Oh, the fines.
- 14:01Host 2: Fines have doubled since 2024.
- 14:03Host 2: They are handing out nearly 300 fines every single day,
- 14:06Host 2: mostly for cars parked on sidewalks or in double lines.
- 14:09Host 2: The digitization of revenue collection is incredibly efficient,
- 14:12Host 2: even if the digitization of school exams is a complete disaster.
- 14:15Host 1: That asymmetry is a hallmark of this transitional era.
- 14:18Host 1: The state struggles immensely to innovate in ways that serve the public,
- 14:22Host 1: like the education platforms,
- 14:23Host 1: but it is remarkably agile when adopting technologies
- 14:26Host 1: that optimize revenue collection and enforcement.
- 14:29Host 2: Which makes this next story almost painfully ironic.
- 14:32Host 2: While the Ministry of Education can't even secure an exam platform,
- 14:35Host 2: an emigrant living in Belgium successfully used a front company
- 14:38Host 2: in the small Portuguese town of Ermesinde
- 14:40Host 2: to launder one million euros in a highly sophisticated cybercrime ring.
- 14:44Host 1: It perfectly encapsulates why the state is struggling.
- 14:47Host 1: Criminal networks are unburdened by bureaucracy.
- 14:49Host 1: They are often far more agile and technologically adept
- 14:52Host 1: than the state institutions designed to regulate them.
- 14:55Host 2: And that friction, that breakdown of order,
- 14:57Host 2: trickles all the way down to the beach.
- 15:00Host 2: We've got reports today of dozens of mobile phones being stolen
- 15:03Host 2: right off the sand at Praia da Rocha in Portimão.
- 15:06Host 2: You've got internet stars like Tiago Ginga currently on trial for a hit-and-run.
- 15:09Host 2: And there's this palpable anxiety in the society,
- 15:12Host 2: parents of victims expressing profound fear
- 15:14Host 2: because the notorious killer Pedro Dias is reportedly at large.
- 15:18Host 1: When you synthesize all these local stories,
- 15:20Host 1: the sophisticated cyber laundering, the petty phone thefts, the parking fines,
- 15:24Host 1: the drained parish funds,
- 15:25Host 1: they are all symptoms of a society in rapid, uneven transition.
- 15:29Host 1: The old rules and safety nets are breaking down much faster
- 15:32Host 1: than new, secure systems can be built to replace them.
- 15:35Host 2: It's a lot to process for one Tuesday in July.
- 15:38Host 2: Oh, and just to add a tiny dash of historical surrealism to the day,
- 15:42Host 2: amidst all the cybercrime and AI budget collapsing,
- 15:45Host 2: the historical bride of D. Dinis is apparently visiting Portugal.
- 15:48Host 2: A little nod to a past that felt,
- 15:50Host 2: at least in retrospect, a bit more structured.
- 15:53Host 1: A brief reminder that history is long,
- 15:56Host 1: even when the present feels completely overwhelming.
- 15:58Host 2: Very true.
- 15:59Host 2: Let's take a breath and recap the massive journey we've just been on
- 16:03Host 2: through these July 7th front pages.
- 16:05Host 2: We started with the raw human heartbreak of Ronaldo's tears
- 16:09Host 2: and a World Cup exit.
- 16:11Host 1: Which immediately pulled us into a bizarre geopolitical drama,
- 16:14Host 1: where international football is allegedly being refereed by politicians.
- 16:17Host 2: From there, we examined the paradox of Europe,
- 16:19Host 2: praising American military might while desperately trying to detangle itself from it,
- 16:23Host 2: even as it celebrates 250 years of American cultural dominance.
- 16:26Host 1: Right. And that desire for independence comes with a staggering 17 billion euro reality check.
- 16:30Host 2: A massive bill driven by our aging demographics, our NATO obligations,
- 16:34Host 2: and the terrifying need to financially brace for an AI-induced stock market collapse.
- 16:37Host 1: All of which is happening while the current infrastructure,
- 16:40Host 1: from melting digital exam platforms to exhausted medical interns
- 16:43Host 1: to burning forests and heat waves, is already buckling under today's immediate pressures.
- 16:47Host 2: Right down to your local street,
- 16:50Host 2: where digital convenience drains parish funds and cybercriminals easily outpace the state.
- 16:53Host 2: It is all incredibly interconnected.
- 16:56Host 2: So the next time you scroll past a headline about artificial intelligence
- 16:59Host 2: or a NATO summit or even a FIFA ruling,
- 17:02Host 2: remember this deep dive.
- 17:03Host 1: Remember that those massive, abstract forces do not stay in the clouds.
- 17:07Host 2: Exactly.
- 17:08Host 1: Or in diplomatic conference rooms.
- 17:10Host 1: They eventually trickle down.
- 17:11Host 1: They show up in your tax bill, they dictate the cost of your air conditioning,
- 17:15Host 1: they delay your high school exams,
- 17:17Host 1: and they might even be the reason
- 17:20Host 1: you got that automated e-parking fine in Porto today.
- 17:23Host 2: The macro always becomes the micro eventually.
- 17:25Host 1: It really does.
- 17:27Host 1: And it leaves us with one final, lingering question for you to mull over.
- 17:31Host 1: If we are already living in an era where global sports sanctions
- 17:34Host 1: are allegedly dictated by superpower politics,
- 17:37Host 1: and our national budgets are actively hoarding billions
- 17:40Host 1: just to survive an AI-induced market collapse,
- 17:42Host 1: are we still actually in control of our own modernization?
- 17:45Host 1: Or are we just frantically reacting to it,
- 17:48Host 1: trying to pay the bill before the system crashes?
- 17:51Host 1: Something to think about the next time you tap your card at a Multibanco.
- 17:55Host 2: Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into the sources,
- 17:58Host 2: and we will see you on the next one.
- 18:00Host 1: Until next time.