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S5 E10_ The Disappearance That Baffles Ireland_ Trevor Deely · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm mm hmmmm. You get a double dose tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this miss Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome everyone to uh to the second one of the night.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say we have never worked for you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to our our real show for Thursday. We're happy
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  Speaker 3: that you're here. We are talking about the disappearance of Trevor.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor. Oh my god, I'm blankly I said it wrong
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  Speaker 1: the last time, and.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, because I'll feel bad about it for quite
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  Speaker 3: some time. It's the old Irish Catholic in me. See
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  Speaker 3: what I did there? Anyways, So so yeah, we you know,
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  Speaker 3: we just had a wonderful conversation with Scott Hoover. And
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  Speaker 3: if you didn't get to check it out, go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and go back and not now later, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: and and watch as part of the replay crew. And
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  Speaker 3: hopefully you were redirected correctly. You didn't get stuck in
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  Speaker 3: the portal.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: I had to pull myself out of it. There was
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  Speaker 3: a little crisco involved, some astro blood and regret.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my any anal ease involved in that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it had a lot to do with my hat.
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  Speaker 3: I think the portal was just like no the hat
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  Speaker 3: needs to go. It just needs to go yet.
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  Speaker 5: And forty seconds then guys, minute and forty second in
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  Speaker 5: and here we are already but.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's what we do.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, yeah, so you're probably you're probably wondering,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm JT. I just assume people know who we
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  Speaker 3: are at this point, and I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't they try to forget Sorry, I'm gonna over here.
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  Speaker 3: You all are probably wondering what's up with producer Terra
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  Speaker 3: be in here? And I have to say, there was
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  Speaker 3: a thought and we.
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  Speaker 1: Were giving it a go, and that is.
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  Speaker 3: She's so good at at like being the ring leader
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  Speaker 3: of both of us.
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  Speaker 4: Iven just interrupt you here. She is here to make
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  Speaker 4: sure we don't f up and that we behave we
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  Speaker 4: do what we're supposed to. You're trying to make it all,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, let's just be on it.
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  Speaker 2: She's here to make her.
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  Speaker 1: Do our ship right a little bit in order to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 4: And she looks good on camera.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Terry.
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  Speaker 5: To match us soon I will, I will, But for
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  Speaker 5: now the rest of my house as a mess because
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  Speaker 4: You guys, Okay, I love that Captain knows you really
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  Speaker 4: until she finishes that.
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  Speaker 4: Marty.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so so yeah, so, so Tara's going to
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  Speaker 3: along with you, guys, and hopefully she's got some questions
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  Speaker 3: that you do, and hopefully I well, I'll never have
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  Speaker 3: the answers, but we'll certainly try. But yeah, so let's
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  Speaker 3: shall we.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tara and I are one percent in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent, I hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: Well let's get into what we're drinking tonight and why
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  Speaker 4: we're so excited to be here. Besides the fact I'm
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  Speaker 4: wearing green and it is so not my color, but
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  Speaker 4: it's double Ly's favorite color.
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  Speaker 2: I think you look great and green, So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I said. Yeah, you're great in Kelly Green.
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  Speaker 4: I paid years ago when I modeled back in the day,
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  Speaker 4: the color palette thing they always told me to stay
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  Speaker 4: away from. Now maybe it's because of the blonde highlights
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  Speaker 4: and my not my normal dark brown hair. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 4: why it looks.
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  Speaker 1: Good, because that's why they were away.
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  Speaker 4: From greens unless it's neon green.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so no, like white ghost. What is going on?
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  Speaker 4: So what's your drink in JT?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: You know before with Scott I was I was drinking
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  Speaker 3: basically a finger in gin. I thought about more and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, it's gonna be a long night.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, show changes, so the drink changes.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, So I have brought and and I did because
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  Speaker 3: you know, we always hear about the magistrate over in Europe,
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  Speaker 3: and so I brought a magistrate A Passo roblaz Roblaze.
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  Speaker 1: Red blend.
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  Speaker 3: It's a it's a twenty one red blend. I probably
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't flip this around too much because the cork is
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  Speaker 3: out of it. But it says I love reading these descriptions.
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  Speaker 3: Can I just say I.
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  Speaker 1: Love reading these descriptions. It's caddies deep aromas of chocolate,
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  Speaker 1: filter brew, doc roast coffee and ripe blackberries. It delivers
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  Speaker 1: a rich, mid palate, chewy tannins and a long finish
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  Speaker 1: lussh just with rabbit and juniper berry sauce or with
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  Speaker 1: any big red meat that's for Friday. It tastes like
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  Speaker 1: a red blend. Okay, okay, okay, I didn't write that ever.
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  Speaker 4: I heard the saying liquor. Wait, no, it's wine before liquor.
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  Speaker 4: Never been sicker, so you drank the liquor first, so
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  Speaker 4: you should be okay.
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  Speaker 3: I always heard that with beer. But well, that's why
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  Speaker 3: I had one finger of gin. I don't have that
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  Speaker 3: thick of finger berry.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I hope you guys are ready because I'm drinking
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  Speaker 4: something really special tonight. I am drinking a chi b
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  Speaker 4: unsweet and sparkling water, cranberry and raspberry flame bird water.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no wine for Terry tonight, but I will say
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  Speaker 4: I love this because I drink two or three of
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  Speaker 4: them a day. Nice so fun tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Well, don't worry, Terry, I got you covered. I'm finishing
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  Speaker 5: off the last of this crap Frenzia Crisp white I
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  Speaker 5: got last Thursday for the show.
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  Speaker 2: That was gross.
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  Speaker 4: Don't do the Frenzia. Don't do the Frenzia, go with
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  Speaker 4: black photo box.
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  Speaker 2: It was rough.
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  Speaker 5: So I asked Elbofy, Hey, I need you to pick
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  Speaker 5: me up some wine. Because I'm going to be on
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  Speaker 5: the show tonight. So what does he come back with
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  Speaker 5: a box of Frensia moscatto This time? I got a
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  Speaker 5: fool box. So after the crack wine, I do know
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  Speaker 5: that one's not.
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  Speaker 1: You can have some diabetes with your wine. It'll be fun.
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  Speaker 4: They say it's probably the moscato because their whites are
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  Speaker 4: not great. Their red plants are not bad. The red
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  Speaker 4: blinds are really good. If you hollow out a watermelon
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  Speaker 4: and put it in the watermelon and let it absorb
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  Speaker 4: some of the watermelon flavor. Yeah, what Lady and Gray
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  Speaker 2: I guess, so thank you, Lady and Gray. Great.
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  Speaker 4: Really you know us, and you wanted to become a member.
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  Speaker 4: That's what's shocking.
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  Speaker 2: It is too difficult in and then you end up
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I need to know why it's difficult to get
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  Speaker 4: into because you just a knife.
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  Speaker 1: She upgraded.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be worth it.
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  Speaker 1: So let's kind of talk about this a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Why we Yeah, let's talk about kind of why why
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  Speaker 3: this case kind of came through and I think that
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  Speaker 3: as I read through the case, the more I learned,
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  Speaker 3: the more I was kind of gripped by how ordinary
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  Speaker 3: it was. Like that sounds terrible, but let me kind
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  Speaker 3: of explain, Like Trevor wasn't doing anything dangerous or unusual.
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  Speaker 3: He was walking home after a Christmas party and he
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  Speaker 3: stopped by his office to check on something, talked with
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  Speaker 3: a coworker, and any of this could have any of
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  Speaker 3: us could have had that night. I mean, there there
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  Speaker 3: were no red flags, Like, there was no crazy behavior.
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  Speaker 3: It was just kind of late night walk through a
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  Speaker 3: well known part of Dublin and then nothing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's.
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  Speaker 3: Why it's so hunting, just the ordinariness of it all,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what makes it stick with me. Like he
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  Speaker 3: disappeared on familiar streets, he was close to safety, he
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  Speaker 3: was close to home, and he still slipped away or
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  Speaker 3: was taken away unnoticed. And he wasn't a mystery figure.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't quote unquote at risk. He was just a
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  Speaker 3: rake dude with a regular job, who've just gone Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Kapin. When I say get a knife, you
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  Speaker 4: have to be gentle. Don't act like you're stabbing a person.
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  Speaker 4: You just have to deently perforate the little perforations because
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  Speaker 4: if you do that, the wine's gonna go everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But did you bathe in it? Because you can't waste it?
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  Speaker 1: You got to at least absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of drank it a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I said, say, just get a straw, get in the tub,
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  Speaker 4: and drink that shift. Okay. Now, as we all know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: midday missing missing person cases, you know, they pull up
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  Speaker 4: my heartstrings. But this case is so interesting because guys,
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  Speaker 4: it truly could happen to any one of us, I
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  Speaker 4: mean including me. You know, when I was living in
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  Speaker 4: Chicago for a job for a while, I walked everywhere
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  Speaker 4: after dinner, after work, after shopping, after going out for
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  Speaker 4: a night, all innocent, normal things. And guys, with this case,
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  Speaker 4: I stop and think I could have just disappeared and
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  Speaker 4: never been seen again. I mean, how haunting is that
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't living a risky lifestyle. I wasn't in a
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  Speaker 4: bad area. I was in the Miracle Mile area in
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  Speaker 4: the Gold Coast. So guys, just think that thousands of
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  Speaker 4: people every day are just living their normal lives and
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden I've just never heard from again.
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  Speaker 4: And I used to say that burning to death haunted
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  Speaker 4: me more than anything. But after doing Midday Missing for
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  Speaker 4: over a year, going missing and my loved ones not
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  Speaker 4: knowing what happened to me is more haunting to me
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  Speaker 4: than burning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Hm, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not really familiar with this case at all, actually,
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  Speaker 5: so I'm really eager to learn more about it. I
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: think it's cool we're doing another international case because we
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: don't do those very often.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm let's get into it. Guys, have any questions,
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  Speaker 2: put them in there and we'll pull your questions out. Okay, JT.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to offer you a challenge, and if
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: you accept this challenge and you're successful with this challenge,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I will buy all of your alcohol when you arrive
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  Speaker 4: in Austin for the live show I'm in. You must
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  Speaker 4: deliver all of your parts in an Irish accent.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I did not approve this.
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  Speaker 1: I would do like maybe a couple of wine.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to give it all to me. If
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  Speaker 4: you can do it for a couple of lines, you
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  Speaker 4: can do it all you've been drinking tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, Terry, I'm going she made a decision. I told
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you she made a decision, was.
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  Speaker 2: Going to veto that decision.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I was literally about to say before that they're always
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  Speaker 3: after me, lucky Charms, and that's where it was going
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  Speaker 3: to stop.
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  Speaker 4: That's pretty good, that was cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you get into the rest of it
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  Speaker 3: and it just doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, then Terry gets to pronounce all the names.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I will sign up for that. I will do it,
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  Speaker 4: and I will slaughter them like a pig every time.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Oh about this, how about I'll do Irish in Texas.
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  Speaker 3: You know Irish in Texas.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll speak.
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  Speaker 2: We love, we love the we do.
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  Speaker 1: So let's hop in. Trevor Deely was born August fifteenth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy I'm just kidding, all right. He was born
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  Speaker 1: on August fifteenth, nineteen seventy eight. He was over six
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  Speaker 1: feet tall.
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  Speaker 3: He had reddish blonde hair. He had a distinctive gait.
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  Speaker 3: He walked with his arms straight down by his sides,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: which is actually a really distinctive gait, Like that's not
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  Speaker 3: something you typically do you see arms moving because arms
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: usually push you forward. His parents were Michael and Ann Deeley,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and he was the youngest of four siblings he had.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: He he had two brothers. The two brothers were Mark
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: and Trevor, and then two sisters, Michelle and Pamela. He
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: grew up in in nas County kill Dare in Ireland.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: He was an easy glow, easy, easy glowing, easygoing teenager,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: not particularly sporty or academic like his older siblings, but
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: he liked math.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Hey, we need those math types because we can't ever
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: have everyone like me and be math dumb.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Me too, girl, me too.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know how we're surviving on this channel because
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: we all can't do math.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: No, give me a calculator.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I just do it for me.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: See, I just say double h and he does it
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: in his head. That's what he does. So does monkey butt.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: And she's going to be thirteen this year. She doesn't
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: in her head and I just looked at her. I'm like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: where did you come from?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Little Bruce Crime loves math, and I have no idea
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: where it came from. I can't help him. However, Trevor
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: could have after finishing school or he studied business at
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: the Waterford Institute of Technology, which wow, that's pretty Also, yeah,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: it makes me want to yell Griffin. Aw Okay. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: he worked a part time in a supermarket, but he
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: dropped out when he was in his second year of school.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Not the supermarket. He then attended and completed a computer
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: course in Dublin. Uh Michael Dealey said he took it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Took to it like a duck to water. It was
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: like turning a key in a lock. His sister said,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: he finally found what he really enjoyed, and he seemed
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Really good at it as well.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: He had three job offers after finishing his course, which
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: is awesome. He asked his dad for advice as to
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: which he should take, which is sweet. His dad told
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: him right like, I probably would have done that, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: also I never had three job offers waiting for me,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: so yeah, you know, but but I think I would.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: So his dad told him to take the bank job
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: because they're safer than any of the others. And I'd
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: like to think he made a dad joke with that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: with it being safer than the others.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: But I get it, I get it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: But I'm also the sound effects guys.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I will anytime. Sorry, I'm going through withdrawal.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: So in in May of thank you, in May of
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: ninety nine, he began working at the Bank of Ireland
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: in the IT department of Asset Management on Leason Street.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: His dad said, quote, We've often been told he loved
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that work, and if he is around someplace and wre working,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: he's likely to be working in an IT situation. He
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: was part of a team of ten and they all
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: sat together in an open plan office. Probably not unlike
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Severance minus the wild. His manager was known as Dora
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Treacy and who said he was almost the perfect employee.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: He was reliable, nothing was too much trouble, he was
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: hungry to learn, he was ambitious, and he mingled well
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: with everyone in the company. Which can I just say
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: it is almost very it is It is the pinnacle
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: supervisor to say he was almost perfect then only describe
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: perfect things.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how was.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: This like your.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Forever? He was two in ninety a young kids.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Young almost twenty two, almost twenty two. Okay, yes, again,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: we're not great at math. I shouldn't even ask.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know if I was thinking it was not.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Not yeah, yeah, not not a thing obviously, y'all.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Okay, so he's about anyonelf?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: What ages in didn't know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: That I'm just I was wondering because that's an amazing
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: work ethic for somebody that age.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's like a dream employee, as somebody in
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the HR space. This is a dream employee. And he
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: has a good personality because look at the hatties wearing.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I know he's fun too, like a fun guy. He
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: does look like he's adorable.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we know you're pans for mushrooms, so
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: just kidding.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Ha ha ha ha ha Okay anyways, uh also, basically,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: the supervisor continued on, he was a very happy guy.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: He had this big happy face on him. He was
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: one of these nice guys to be around. He was
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: very positive. He never bitched about other people or gave
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: or gave out about them. He had a very good
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: work ethic. He was very trustworthy. I'm not just saying
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: this because of the situation, but Trevor was a good guy.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I like that he's like self aware enough to be
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: like this isn't just like they were so nice in
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: the situation. Like he's he's being very honest about this.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Was that like a que from a paper or something,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: or he's just like, yeah, he never bitched about anything.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, I mean what I what I really?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: You know, it tells me that if you asked him
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: about the wrong person, even in the same situation, he
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: was going to tell you how he felt this guy.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: He was going to tell you if he was an asshole,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: an arsehole, you know what I mean. So anyways, Trevor
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: was was seen as responsible and reliable as you can tell.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: And I think we all need friends like that, or
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: at least one. At least at least one that's that's her.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I know. I'm sitting here going my closest responsible friend, Tara,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: that would be you.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: We are all in trouble.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, Cheryl's an accountant. She's very responsible and good at
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: math and good at math double h. Just bought me
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: some strawberry banana orange juice.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Oh so good.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: She's either at or at her job.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: She's really good at math. So that's my responsible friend.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: And she's responsible of always making sure my wine glass
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: is full.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty good friend.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Carol. What's the deal? I got a.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Box of Frenzy if I mean.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: You need a Rube Goldberg from Ohio to here, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I just needed to all right, So when when we
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: are talking about Unfortunately, when we're talking about victims, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: think one of the best ways we can come to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: understand them is through the friends that they keep. His
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: closest friend through childhood into adulthood was Glenn Cullen. Glenn
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: was kind of kind of Trevor's like he was he
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: was he was Trevor's version of Rudy, like my Rudy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Glenn had said, I never had an argument with him
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: in any shape or form, not about girls, not about anything.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: We did practically everything together.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: It's right me and my Chaldea.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yes see, this is the thing.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I kept reading through this case and what was going
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: on with it, and the more that I read it
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: more I identified with Trevor and the worst that it
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: got for me.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to just let you know, please do
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: not take this the wrong way. But if somebody was
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: to take you, I promised you they would bring you back.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Same with me. They would bring me back because of
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: all the plink pink glitter.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: No, you can't know they would bring you.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Back, because they would be like, he is a smart out.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: We got to give him back.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Because they would They would be sitting in the van
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: going I didn't know somebody could sing I've got a
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: lovely bunch of coconuts through a gag, but I do it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I'm saying they would bring you and I back.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Not only would I sing it, but I'd sing it
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: in the voice of of Broan Atkinson as Da Zoo.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Or It's the Small World.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: We might do It's a small World, but I'm not
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: gonna do it here because I really don't want to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: have to pay them. Uh So Coniff was part of
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: their network as well. He said Trev was a jovial character.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: He was always in good form. He had a good
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: head on his shoulders as well. He was doing very
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: well at work, so he had a serious side to him.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: He took work seriously and they used to go to
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: pubs and clubs together. They enjoyed Thomas Fletcher's and Smithwick's.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: They were ale drinkers. I'm pretty sure I probably would
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: have hung out with yep. I definitely would have hung
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: out with all of them for sure.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I guess that leaves me out because the only beer
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: really I drink these days is micultra.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I can I.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I do want to say that the fella that's in
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: the background of this photo looks like he's had quite.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: The night.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's looking down at his phone.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Sure back in Sure.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Two thousand, give you a task, you need to help
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: me find an ale. I like the last l I
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: drank came from the copper tank in deep Ellam in Dallas,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: and it was a raspberry ale. That is the last
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: time I truly went and sought an ale.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Challenge accepted, Okay.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: It is important to know that even if they were
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: going out, they were never falling around the places, like
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: they weren't stumbling all over themselves.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: This this, this just wasn't that Green Street hooligan's situation
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that you may have seen in movies. Oh yeah, Well,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: did you want to add something?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, well, they're Irish.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, they're Irish, they know correct, I can't.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Drink reasons okay, and they're the reasons and drink the whiskey.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: So Trevor, Trevor was pretty routine, and his behavior is
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Keida understanding this disappearance.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It's what alerted people. It's very interesting for all of this.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: So while well that's the case in terms of him
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: being routine, there was a visit that seems a little
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: out of the ordinary, and I kind of wanted to
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: talk about it because just fascinating that it happened around
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: the same time. I don't really see much of a
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: problem with it, but it is very out of the
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: ordinary from what I understand. Trevor who Trevor was now
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: In late November of two thousand, weeks before his disappearance,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: he flew to Alaska. Glenn Cullen, who was his bestie,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: was a long haul flight attendant for air Lingus, which,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: by the way, they need to change their name.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Have you never heard of that? Have you never heard
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: of that airline? Lama Tara, No, No, I have not.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I've never heard of Lingus. It's and I'll say it's
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: a I thought it was a typo. When I started
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: researching in reading, I was like, are they isn't.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: That I started thinking they are still around?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I had to I can't say it is what they
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: think it is.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: But also that's the cunning up an airline, you know what,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I was gonna throw him up and have you hit
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: him out of the park. Yeah, so they're still around.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: It's an Irish airline company and it's the flag carrier
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: of Ireland. So you know if you're looking to date somebody. Obviously,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: if with a name like that, they gotta be good.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: That's not why I said that, anyways, I knew that
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: was going to bring up a question or comment or two.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: They really need to change that anyways. So he was
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a long haul flight attendant.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Glenn Cullen was good friend to have for sure, but
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: got him a discount and it must have been a
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: good one because his friend just grounded as as basically free. Anyways,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: he went over to see a girl that he had
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: met in Dublin during the summer while she was holidaying
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: in Ireland, m which oh jeez, oh good grief.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Is that it is that? The lingus in the air
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in the air.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not even drinking tonight.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I love it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Because I'm thinking, I want to go on this airline
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to get some of that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: All right. So the last time Glenn saw Trevor was
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: at Dublin Airport in late November of two thousand, going
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: through United States customs on his way to Alaska. Glenn
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: said he traveled from Dublin to l a X, Los Angeles, and.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: What I'm sorry I got really excited about the graphic. There.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, hold on, ready, do it again?
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Zoom cafin did that for me one more time.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You can continue on.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna Oh okay, okay, okay, all right, it's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: just listen.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of lingus. It's very distracting.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: The pilot's distracted.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: So he went from Dublin to lax, Los Angeles, and then,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: as far as I'm aware, you got a connecting flight,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: so which was straight up to Anchorage.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Hold on, wait for it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Hey, if you're listening to the podcast, you have no
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: idea what's happening right now, but.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: You should join us on YouTube. He went by. He
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: went by himself to see the girl up in Anchorage
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that he had met in Dublin that summer. I never
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: met her. She wasn't here for long. That was all
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: quote from Glenn. Glenn used his pass to.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Get Trevor a return flight almost fifteen thousand miles for
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: less than one hundred and five dollars.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: What that's the deal? Oh, how many miles are you
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: flying next month?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. Not that many.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And this is but this is also pre nine to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: eleven too, So.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: War it's really funny to like play movies like like
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Home Alone for my kids and they're like, where's the security,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, it was just a guy with a wound.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know you said that this seemed like
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: a weird thing that happened, but like it's one hundred
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: and why would you say hundred five dollars?
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: No, I'm like, I would have gone to Alaska for
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: that amount of money.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, holy crap.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: It was out of the ordinary. But but but but
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: ultimately I don't see a problem with it. I don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: see that there's I've I've I have tripped up to
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: New York for some random person that I met in
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: New I have too.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: We've all been there, not judging him. We've all traveled
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: for a booty call. Is all I've said.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Is a weird deal.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I had people to travel at me. I've traveled to them.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: It happens.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, So it seems like Trevor kind of persisted with
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the trip even after SOO. Michael Deely said that Trevor
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: met a couple of girls from Alaska who were at
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: a university and Anchorage and it does seem like Trevor
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: kind of persisted with that trip even after Michelle, one
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: of the gals, said that she was too busy, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: he was like, oh, let me bring my Lucky Charms
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: overtang Alaska, and she said, no, I don't want you
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to do that, and he said, oh, it's not that
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: far off a trip. I can get it for free,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: all right. I'm just really got in for the free alcohol,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: all right. So after Granfridge, Trevor's family saw him for
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the last time. The day he returned, that was a
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: really weird chapter switch, but emotional switch. It was Michael,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: his father, believed that he was en route to an
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: evening meeting outside Dublin when he he and Trevor passed
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: each other in the house. Michael said that this was
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: probably too day December fifth, two days before Trevor went missing,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Trevor let them know he wasn't going to come back
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the next week for a visit, and that happened to
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: be the weekend it all happened. Trevor stayed just a
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: few more hours before he left. He was due back
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: at work the next day, so at some point he
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: must have changed his plans about not coming home to
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Nas the weekend of December ninth, because according to his buds,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: they were supposed to meet at their watering hole Fletchers
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: that Saturday night, so he was kind of reswitched up
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: what his plans were. He was going to meet with
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: his friend. So there are some differences in what he
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: would typically do leading up to the day he disappeared,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: of course, not only that, but HM.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: When you're young, how many times did your plans change?
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I would tell my mom I was coming to see
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: her tomorrow, and I wake up the next day and
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't want to get out of
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: my pajamas.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was definitely, Yeah, totally, one hundred percent.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I changed my plans all the flip and time. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: considering up until this point, he wasn't somebody who did
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: that very much. It was very poignant to everybody.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was all from that flight he had too
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: much lingas.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: It looks like Nas isn't really that far from Dublin,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it's what maybe thirty minutes outside of that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: So but when your tongues tired, your tongue is tired,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: you don't want to talk.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm here to manage the show. Okay, okay,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: let's going out the window.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: It's it's like thirty minutes. You're right, it's a thirty
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: minute drive.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Wow, you are my map quest from here on out.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: No way, was it really? Did you really?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Just did it?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: So So not only that, but his routine kind of
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: keep people up to a missing quicker than most. In
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: the morning of Friday, de number eighth, he didn't turn
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: up for work, which which was odd, but obviously one.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Day, you know, let's not freak out everybody.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: It was on Monday, the eleventh that the manager established
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: that nobody had spoken to Trevor over the weekend. His
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: manager basically went to human resources as one does, and says,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: we have a problem here. This guy is not to
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: be found. What should we do? And speaking of Terry's
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: about to regale you with that in terms of what
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: that should be done.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, listen closely.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a lot of things you do when
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: somebody goes missing. The first thing you do is you
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: grab a photo, you call the police, and when the
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: police tell you they're an adult and they have to
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: write go miss and you say nuh uh, nope, you're
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: gonna listen and you're going to do it, and then
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: you get on all of the social media's basically become
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: a pain in the butt and get the word out there.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Now talking about going missing not funny. But December seventh
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: of two thousand was the night of the Christmas party.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: My first problem with this is who has a Christmas
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: party on Thursday night and you have alcohol and all
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: this and you want people to get up going to
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: work on Friday. As an HR person, I'm saying a
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: lot of employees aren't gonna make with the next day.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: But you're an HR person, they're it and they're irish.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I don't but you.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: On Thursday night. I think that's pretty.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Like in Texas week parties on Thursday night. We do
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: them on Friday or Saturday, Okay, but anyway.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Bigger andous in Texas, and we're a little more respectful
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that you're going to have a hangover.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: So he left the party around three twenty five in
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: the morning. See what I mean. If you're leaving the
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Christmas party at three twenty five, how are you gonna
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: get up and go to work at eight?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He's twenty two.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Wasn't about him that's true. I forget.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: He's wanting too too. I cannot believe the things I did.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Now that I think about it. It's crazy too.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you go on, do go on.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, oh, I did not wait for Marion
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Ohio into here, all of them almost forty Now, honey,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I'm older than you, and I still got the story.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Well no, I just I mean, I don't do that anymore.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not like.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But we can give you enough drink that you share
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: the stories.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that'll happen. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: So he left the party around three twenty five. Now
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: he decided to stop off and see a coworker who
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: was working at the bank that night on the night shift. Now,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: the office is on Leison Street. Now, guys, he went
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: there because it was raining. Okay, just remember that he
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: went there because it was raining. Now he this left,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: and the interesting thing was when they looked at the CCTV,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: there's was a mysterious man in black that was standing
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: by a tree outside of the bank. I mean, look
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: at the CCTV. I mean, it hasn't gotten much better
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: in some places. But the last conversed sighting was on
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Haddington Road at four fourteen in the morning. Guys, every
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: time I look at this, I want to know what
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: that big hole is in the ground, And what if
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: somebody stepped there and fell through it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: That's a shadow of a sign, I believe.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't think it's a hole either. I tell.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I saw Sarah trying to whether she was going to
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: say something or not, and I'm just gonna say it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Well, if you've been drinking, you would think that was
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: a hole.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, you can continue. I'm just let's
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: play for a while. So it's gonna loop for a while,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: so free.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: To you keep going. I'm gonna watch.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, what oh it's it's.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Oh hey, all right, cool. So here's the deal.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: He taking the lead one.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I do have this one set up a little bit.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So just okay Ireland.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Ireland's law enforcement is called something that's difficult but not
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to pronounce because once you hear it once it makes sense.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: But it's guard As shakona uh and this part of
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the investigation, you know. So I think they learned a lot,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I hope. So after Trevor's disappearance, the guarda's response was.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Sluggish.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: The assumption of the force was that Trevor chose to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: disappear voluntarily, leading to well a lack of urgency in
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the initial investigation.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: And if you watch Midday Missing, you all know, every
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: time I hear this, and I hear it often, it
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: really pisses me off each and every time, guys, because
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: stop and think about it. How many people decide to
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: just walk away from their life and leave it behind?
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I mean seriously, people, that's like looking at a glass
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: of wine and saying, oh, I'm going to pour it
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: and just leave it, sit here and not drink it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Have one job, Julie, stop, hello.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: You actually okay?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: See Jack, I'm so glad you.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, that was him right right there.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then also it's footage of the fella in black.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: It's not Johnny Cash no matter, no matter how much
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: we want it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: The thing that really bothered you know, Terry, what you
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: said to me when when law enforcement, after hearing about
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: the missing case, after hearing about the victim and the victimology,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: when they say, well, maybe they just wanted to go
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: missing or maybe they wanted to leave, that tells me
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: they're not listening at all at all. Like, you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: it's just like it's it's it's hard enough as a
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: as a parent, as a supervisor, as a friend, whoever
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to call the police and be like, hey, somebody is missing,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: because all of a sudden, you feel like you have
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: to jump through all these hoops in order to prove
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: the fact that they're missing.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: The burden of proof should not be on you. They
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: should take you at your word.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And I know that there's like they definitely don't have
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: all the time in the world and they can't go
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: chasing every single thing.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: However, well, I will.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Say I just had a lawns moment. Officer tell me
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: recently that they hate nothing more than a missing person case.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I deal with it, dude, Then fix the crime.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: And that's what I want to say to them. That
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: should make you want to figure it out even more.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: People people go missing because they don't solve them exact
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: People get away.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: With it exactly.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: So solve a couple and maybe you'll see it go down.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna totally get in trouble when I'm in Texas,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: gonna have it, okay, So listen. The perspective result because
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: of this, because of what we just talked about, it
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: resulted in a ten day delay, ten days before a
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: formal press release was issued on December twelfth, two thousand.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Now we know that the time after someone has found missing,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: or the time when someone goes missing, is.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: A very critical period.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Trevor's friends and family spirit headed efforts by distributing missing
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Pursing posters and engaging with the media to raise awareness.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: As you can see here Where's Trevor. They're doing everything
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the police should have been doing. The delay in quote
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: official action meant that early opportunities which were crucial to
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: gathering evidence were missed.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about some of those things.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I mean ten days is a long long ass time nowadays.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Like so like, for instance, this included securing CCTV footage.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: We know Europe is big for CCTV. It's unlike every
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: corner help ctera. It's why they have entire shows about this, folks.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: But securing CCTV footage from local businesses became difficult. I
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: think a lot's probably digital.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I know it's.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Digital in Europe, not as analog, but not in two thousands.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Many of the tapes because of this were overwritten and
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: they were lost to due to the delay.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: There's only there wasn't a cloud back then.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: None at all, and so this this made it a ton.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: More difficult, which is really sad because again the amount
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: of CCTVs that they usually have and have access to,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: it's just like.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, they were like a surveillance state before we
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: were hard like right, oh, you are on camera everywhere
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: there in Australia.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: But I feel like in a way, in a way
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: that folks were like, yeah, let's do this, you know
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Like here, I feel like here, I feel you know
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: what we're I'm not We're.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Not getting Yea, it's not the time for that, but.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Not the time. Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Despite their delay, as is the usual, there were multiple
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: hypotheses that were considered in the early stages.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk too too much about this
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: because Terry's.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Actually gonna talk a little bit about it, but I
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: will just hit on a couple of things. One volunteer.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Of course, they thought it was a voluntary disappearance. So
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: some thought that Trevor chose to leave his life behind
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: due to personal reasons, which makes absolutely no sense.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: It is implausible that he did that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: He had a stable job, he loved his work, he
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: had plenty of social connections. He was close to his family.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: He obviously was visiting them for more than laundry, so
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: I yeh.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean an islands like an island, so like yeah.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: And he had talked left the voicemail for a friend
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: that night saying he had talked to him tomorrow. You
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: don't do that if you're just gonna leave your life, right.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: And yeah. The other thing was an accidental death. Given
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the proximity of the river. This is the most irish
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: sounding river ever, the river daughter. Are you going down
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: to the river daughter?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: It's just wow?
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: And the Grand Canal to Trevor's last known location. There
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: were kind of concerns that he might have accidentally fallen
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: into the water now, which seems even almost even more
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: far fetched than his voluntary disappearance.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Well unless you're in Austin at Ladybird Lake, because if
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: you've fallen that lake, you're probably dead.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Did you fall?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but look that his path is along that canal.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: It is, but he could swim. He wasn't, So we
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: think of the Ladybird Lake thing. You don't just go
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: into the lake and drowned.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Right, hmm, okay, right?
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And trade trade.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean the river the river daughter is is?
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't imagine it is that deep, to
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: be honest with you.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, So it's not like.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: It's like only six No, it's not.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: It's not like a river.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: No, no, I mean it's long.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: It runs from Dublin to somewhere east of Kilbride, so
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: it's not We're talking like literally a canal pretty much.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: So this isn't like fast moving rushing water or.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: And it's only like five or six feet deep.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And he was a tall guy, okay, okay, okay, all right.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: So they thought he accidentally fell with the water.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: But they did do searches, but there was no evidence
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: found the support that theory either.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And then finally foul play.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: No, yeah, you're gonna love this as irish as everything is.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: This is called lad Lane.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Lane, the red Light District. That's fine.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: So the last thing was foul play, right, and that's
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: always in there, and we're gonna talk more about this.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: But the most alarming lead came from CCTV footage that
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: they were able to find the show an unidentified man
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: in black. Now we're gonna leave it at that. So
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Uh, the Guard a.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I already mispronounced it because it's not right in front
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: of me. But the Garda, it's GARDA initiated a comprehensive
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: cold case review of Trevor's disappearance. Now, this decision was
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: influenced by advanced and investigative technologies and persistent advocacy from
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: the Daily family because obviously a family that has been traumatized,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: traumatized by a son missing, is going to have to
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: advocate for themselves. Right, that makes sense. I'm glad this
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: is international. It's not just here, it's everywhere apparently.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Anyways, it basically they the renewed investigation aim to re
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: examine existing evidence.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Explore new avenues.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: A significant aspect of this review was the public release
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: of enhanced CCTV footage, and that reignited, as you can imagine,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, that reignited public interest, and that led
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: to fresh appeals for information. People wanted to see this stuff.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: People were looking at it trying to determine who that
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: little man in black.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Was, and that was an enhanced during the video.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know though, like this, here's the thing two
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: thousand or ninety nine enhanced, it's not much different than
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: what is today and what we see.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Really not really.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Somebody needs to talk to the CCTV people. Let's see
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: if they can fix it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: It's big CCTV. They won't. I don't know if that's
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Big CCTV.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: It took me a second. I literally thought just a
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: massive camera on apart. Sorry, it just it took a second.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: It's been a long night, yo, and to drinks. So
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: during the twenty seventeen review, they did find some information
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: informed a targeted search along the Grand Canal near Chappella Zod.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I want to say. It's called.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: So they can they can stand up in it, Yes, definitely,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: but it is enough for somebody to drown. But you right,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't look very like and if it's sixteen
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: miles long, that darkly that body is going to show us. Oh,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I thought you said sixty or sixteen. Still,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: that's sixteen miles is long?
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's sixteen. Well, I think that's what I read.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: I can't remember numbers. I mean, listen, here's what I think.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Let me let me put it in terms of Ohio,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: it's more a crick and less a river having spent
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: plenty of time in a crick in Niles, Ohio, which
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: is probably what's wrong with me, to be honest.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: In the foliage like chances are it would have right.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: But right, here's my whole thing about all of this. Guys,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: they waited seventeen years yep to do this search. Shake
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: about it now on the canal seventeen years later. Now
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: this canal does even whoa, but it does feed into
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: the Irish Sea, and so think about it. In seventeen years,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: he would have floated to the top, little fishies would
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: have eaten body parts, what was remained would have went
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: out to the Irish Sea. Seventeen years.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: People, I cannot believe it took them seventeen years.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: His walk was literally along the canal.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: No harder.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: We're looking for their finding nemo moment, and they just
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: couldn't get it.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, that's I mean.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Seventeen years now.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And Terry hits the nail on the head there.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Despite those exhaustive efforts, the search concluded without yielding any
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: significant discoveries. And this was super disappointing. It shouldn't really surprising,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: but it was disappointing to write right to investigators and
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Trevor's family. The hopes were high that something would emerge.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but truly, that's a lot of water
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that's moved through. Let's be honest.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Now, I told you I was gonna talk a little
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: more about the enhanced CCTV. The twenty seventeen investigation did
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: begin to leverage modern digital enhancement techniques to analyze. They
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: saw some previously unnoticed details. They were able to see
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: that the man in black appeared to be observing Trevor's movements,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: which I have a feeling was horrifying to watch and
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: notice for the first time. That sounds terrible to me.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: They got a little more detail what noo.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: Oh, I was just following the video of tracking because
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: this is the same guy, right, like it's Trevor, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: then it's there, yes the minute, like that's this okay, yes,
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: because there's Trevor there and there's that same guy that
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: was just in the last.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: One okay, right, So they got a little more detail
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: of that person and it kind of highlighted his presence
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: in your Trevor's workplace and kind of subsequent travels because
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: it wasn't just near his workplace and at that point
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: are breakingly in twenty seventeen of efforts to identify and locate.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: The person were unsuccessful.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: And actually there's a bit at the end in terms
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: of this person that you'll either believe or not believe.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: It'll either make you happy or sad, and Terry will
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: talk about it at the end. So as is the case, Yeah,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: as is the case, Yes, yes, definitely on the follow
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: which is interesting because it's like close enough where it's
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: not too suspicious, but it's far enough away where they
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: were trying not to be seen.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: But here's the guy in black right here. That's him,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: that's not Trevor. Trevor is about to walk right in here,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: mm hmm. And then this guy is going to around
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: the corner and there's Trevor. Wh Trevor just walked by.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Now this guy is gonna.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, I what Terry tells you later is going to
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: infuriate you probably, Okay, okay.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: So that's fine.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: So there were a few, All right, Well, it's several
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: oversights characterized by the initial handling of Trevor's disappearance. One
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: we've talked about already, delayed response the guard is initial
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: belief in voluntary disappearance, lack of an immediate action, which
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: were rest and lost time.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Then the ten day delay in issuing.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: You guys know how people are when they hear about
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: missing people. They're already critical as it is. Ten day
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: delay communicates to people, well maybe it's not that serious day,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: So that ten days, it's a lot. Yeah, So the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: public appeal limited the potential for eyewitnesses to come forward.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: We already know that, like, eyewitnesses are not exactly the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: most beneficial to a case.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: It's not always correct or accurate. But then you wait
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: ten days, that's a lot of time. That's a lot
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: of minutes. I'm not gonna do the math. You already
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: heard about it. We can't do it.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: But like if the police can't be timely, people aren't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: going to be timely either.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: They they literally set the tone, the law.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Law enforcement sets the tone in cases like this, absolutely,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: you know. And then finally, you know, you know, well,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: and we talked about CCTV footage management. You know, they
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: failed to collect and review those recordings from the area
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: in time, so things were lost. And then the man
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: in black, well that wasn't fully recognized until years later.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Years years later, they missed an opportunity for early identification
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: in questioning. Somebody knew about that guy and where he
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: was at the time, and really that's when they.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Should have hit on it. And now I'm going to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: pass it along to Terry. Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: I mean because that guy, the man, the menim man
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: in black, I mean it made people stop and think.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Was he followed? I mean to stop and think about it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: He was there, and many online think that the man
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: in black was following or waiting for Trevor because they
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: said he stood outside for like forty forty five minutes
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: waiting for Trevor or was he waiting for somewhere else?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: Now there has been some speculation that I saw in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Reddit because yes, I went down the Reddit rabbit hole
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: because it is Easter time, and they saw that that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: Fuck well, it's okay. I can go down a Reddit
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: rabbit hole when it's easter. It gives me justification. But
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: that man took a phone call right before Trevor walked up,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: and so the thought is with someone telling him that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Trevor was getting ready to come out. And the reason
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: I find that interesting because if the man was waiting
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: for Trevor.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Why didn't talk to each other right there?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: We do They say that they but he didn't attack,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: he didn't jump, he didn't do any of that, So
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know. So then the theory is, of course,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: did he meet with foul play? Okay? Or was it
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: a voluntary disappearance? And guys, I rolled my eyes with that,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: because did he meet with foul play? Well, I'm gonna
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: say obviously yes, because you don't just walk outside in
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: an alien beam you up? Okay, you don't just flip
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: and disappear off the face of the earth.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I mean it happens a lot. No, Ohio.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Wait, that aliens in Ohio?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: The aliens?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I know, my people?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: What part of Ohio?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, the answer is yes, Okay.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Great now I'm excited to come there.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: But alien puffed went off, But that's far away. We're
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: not going there this time.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, keep talking and I'll be canceling. Keep talking, keep
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: talking now.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I won't cancel on you, Marian. I won't cancel on you.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: You're my people.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: We're going to be But I will have to investigate
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: if I'm allowed to carry concealed with me because but
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: then again, the way the world's going right now, I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: might appreciate an alien taking me somewhere. So as long
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: as I got wat them good, I'm like, it kind
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: of seems like a plus now that I think about it.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: But I can't help but think that he was abducted
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: or something off the street. But also he walked around
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: the corner to walk home. Maybe he got hit by
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: a car because it's four in the morning, right, they're
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: out drinking. It's a Thursday night, and they hit him
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: and they decided to throw him in the back of
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: the car and get rid of me because they don't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: want to get in trouble.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So for the entirety of the length of the CCTV,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I see not one car on.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: The But he walks around the corner.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow. I mean maybe he.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Maybe he met a girl that was standing on the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: corner and maybe Aska. But I mean, obviously something nefarious happened. Okay,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: he didn't leave on his own. Now we know that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: Trevor chatted with his coworker in the office because they
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: had a spot of tea, and he grabbed an umbrella
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: so that he could have head home because it was raining,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: and that was a bank that was at the bank
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: when he went in, he went.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: To the bank was to talk different, not to take
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: out like.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Money, Yes, to get an umbrella and talk to a friend.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's how you know. It wasn't that drunk that
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: he got an umbrella, because if you're that drug.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Like right now, I would have just walked through the rain.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: See that's what I mean. He wasn't overly intoxicated.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't look like he was overly intoxicated.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Workers said he did not seem to be intoxicated. Now,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: another CCTV picked up Trevor walking alone, but there was
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: a man dressed in dark clothing walking behind him. Okay,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: that man has never come forward even though they've asked
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: him to and they've never you know, found him. The
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: guys some say that maybe Trevor got caught up in
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: a scam. I mean, he worked at a bank and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: the IT department. Was he doing fraudulent stuff? But all
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: of his family and friends say there is absolutely no
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: no theory in that because there had been no evidence
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: of that. And guys, he was an entry level IT guy.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: He didn't have access to the good ship.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: Right like, so somebody couldn't of like tried to get
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: him to pull money out.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: Like he didn't have access.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: He didn't have that power.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: He did not. He was an entry level kind of guy.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: Now another theory, but is a slim one, is that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: he committed suicide. I say slim because while walking home,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: like I mentioned earlier, he called a friend. His friend
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: didn't answer because most people are asleep at that time
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: of the morning, but left a voice smell when the
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: guy didn't answer and said, hey, I'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't sound to me like somebody who's gonna
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: go commit suicide. And also why didn't they find his body?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Because because this is in Dublin, this is not a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: this is a very high populated exactly.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, so something nefarious happened, guys right.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Now. The Irish, the Irish, the Irish Republic, the Irish
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: public kind of responded, it's listen. It's really hard to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: say about the early days since law enforcement waited so long,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: but let's just say day zeros. When they decided to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: mention it, the response from family, friends in the wider
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: community was heartfelt and determined.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Friends and family started moving quickly. They printed and handed
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: out missing posters. It was important to them that they
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: keep Trevor's face in the public eye because well, somebody
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: had to do it right, and that is that it's
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Trevor's sister.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Correct, yes, yes, yes, okay.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Young professionals felt for Trevor too because he had the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: same routine and he just wanted a night out and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: the fact that someone just wanting a night out after
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: a day really struck a chord with them because I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: think we've all been there. It's been a day, or
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: it's around to holidays and we're like, old's cool, you know,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: when you're in your twenties, because afterwards you just had
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: up paying for it. Uh So people people didn't believe it.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Once became pretty clear that Trevor didn't just walk away
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: from everything. The unease, the unease in du Dublin grew
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: and it's time past. Public engagement kind of shifted from
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: and this kind of happens in every case. After a while,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: people kind of shift from concern to remembrance and kind
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: of remembering the memory of and I think it's a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: way to just make sure that everybody feels okay as
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: bad as does as they can. But anyways, despite media
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: coverage dropping off, his family marked anniversaries and kept his
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: story alive. And honestly it kind of reminds me of
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Chase and his family and what they're doing to keep
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: his name in the papers with the anniversaries and birthdays
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: and things, and Terry what you do specifically on the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: ground there to try to keep that focused. So Trevor
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: became a symbol. Unfortunately, Trevor became a symbol of heartbreak
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: and kind of what remains unresolved as a disappearance as
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: far as those go.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Media did hit during anniversaries.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Man, while media didn't really wane, it just kind of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: definitely was left up to the family. But with that said,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: the Irish Times, the RTE, the Irish Independent, which it's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: something like the Irish Independent, I feel like I want
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: to be a subscriber to no matter how much it costs.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: Marked anniversaries of his disappearance. With interviews with his family,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Trevor unfortunately became a reference point and broader discussions, which
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: you never want to happen. But if anything happens or
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: comes out of it, a conversation and serious action from
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: it is is good. But they were talking about, you know,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Carolyn's missing person's protocols and how cold cases were handled.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Mmmm, well, I just have to say, I know you
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: want to go work with that media. I just want
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: to know why are they only covering it on anniversaries?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Why? Oh I don't want to work for it, just subscribing.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like though, that the police have done such a.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: Shitty joke exactly.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: So that's their deal if you will, you know.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: I get it, but I almost wish that the media.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: If the police aren't going to do their job and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: the family is calling you and the public needs to know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: to your job, it's news, report the news. Okay, there's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: my lant for today.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: So, there was a major search during the twenty seventeen
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: cold case review, and Terry's gonna talk about that in
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: a bit. Well, while social media wasn't really a thing
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: when Trevor was missing, not as much. I mean he
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: had MySpace, nope, nope, nope, didn't have my Space yet
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: it was coming though.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: It was on his way.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: I don't even think he had friends her. But anyways,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: that's not the point. Trevor I went missing on social
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: media wasn't really you like how I talk myself out
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: of that conversation. It became so social media did become
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: prevalent and true crime grew into a global genre. Now,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Reddit communities like Unresolved Mysteries and international forums began to
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: begame began discussing the case. The digital sleuths combed through
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: the footage that existed, and they did what we typically do.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: We dissected the timelines. We discussed the theories because we
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: have so much time on our hands, obviously, but overall,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: online users shared thoughts about Trevor's body language, the shadowy
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: figure trailing him, the environmental factors like weather and street
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: lighting on that night, and of course true crime podcasts
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: also played a role in reviving the case.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Now we don't ten into.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Stay quiet if there's an injustice or something remains unsolved.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: We have an entire sub show of that called Midday Missing.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: This is what happens.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: But it is really sad that we have to do
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: that in order to get in the attention on these cases.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: But here we are.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: So the difference public pressure makes in cold cases, it's
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: really important, and Terry's mentioned some of this, but public
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: pressure keeps the story alive, It pushes law enforcement to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: act and encourages policy change. It humanizes the victim. There
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: are more than just words on a page. It fuels
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: community sourced intelligence, and it puts public pressure on law
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: enforcement to add hope.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: It's hope with a megaphone.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: And between hope with a megaphone and humanizing the victim,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like those are two very very important things.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: The most important, yes, me, those are the most important
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: things because what we'll learn, Like in August of twenty seventeen,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: police got a tip. Okay, that's what keeping attention helps
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: come in tips. Yeah, So the police began a search
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: of a three acre area in a Dublin suburb. Now,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: the informant alleged that Dealey was murdered the night he
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: went missing by a Krumlin based criminal known to the police.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: Now the saying that the criminal was supposedly part of
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: was involved in the drugs and prostitution trade in the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: area where Deeley disappeared. Now, the informant did say, okay,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: that Dealey and this alleged murder did not know each other.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: Deey was not out trying to buy drugs. He wasn't,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: you know, looking for a sex worker. He was in
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: the wrong place at the wrong time. Now, police did
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: find a gun in some drugs during the search. But
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: the police have said they don't believe it has anything
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: to do with Trevor and that the location was most
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: likely a stash place somebody to hide their stuff. Okay,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: now the guardier, how did that do with that?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: It's just Garda.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: It's just Garda, like Guardia.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Come on, listen, it's one consonant off of shampoo. And
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: When they do their damn job and find Trevor, we'll
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: call them what then, we'll.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Call them the right thing?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: So have they earned it?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Guardy yea, they still have an eighty eight percent approval.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: They'll get to us in ten days. It's fine, Yeah,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: it's fine, it's yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: If they would have done their job, maybe within the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: first twenty four hours of being told, they could have
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: gotten a lot more video footage. So we're going to
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: go on to the GUARDI guardier, how's that? So they
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: did identify a man that was seen on CCTV that
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: was walking closely behind Trevor, but they said that the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: the guy wasn't anybody important. Okay, he wasn't any big deal.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: Now that came from Mark Dealey, Trevor's brother had to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: announce that to everybody, Okay, so he is the one
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: who had to say that the investigators had spoken with
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Man and that they are confident there was no suspicious intent.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: Now my first question on that is why do we
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: trust them? Why do we trust them to say that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: the guy wasn't involved when they didn't even do anything
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: for ten days.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: In twenty three freaking years.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: I know, I'm like, why would you trust Guardier.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: It's like they.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: Said, hey, you were on a video years ago, so
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: I want to know are you are you?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Are you suspicious? No? Nah?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: So this guy is like, oh, I was just in there.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: I just do nothing.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Follows back in the morning at.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: Four and o'clock in the morning, which nothing good happens.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: After two at his and in his pocket.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: He follows them around the corner, he waits outside of building,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: wait outside the gate. But nothing.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, they publicly said that they were satisfied he
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: wasn't following Trevor or tracking him in any way.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: He was literally doing that on the camp.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: He was literally minister about it, and they completely ruled
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: him out.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: You know, So.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: Why should we trust these people?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: I So this is the thing, Like at that point,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: like even now, I feel like Dublin is a very
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: community based environment, a very community city. It's you know
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean, So so people people tend to notice
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: things that change outside.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Like if you ask me something changing my neighbors on,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you because we're very individualistic as a culture.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: But like the fact that this person, whoever it might be,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: made Trevor disappear.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Tells you this person somebody's done this a lot. You
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: don't just make somebody disappear. It's not that easy, everybody.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: It's just not.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Well, how are they even going to identify who the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: hell that is?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: And how do you know.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: You can't even see a freaking face to conf whatever?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: What that looks like JT? To me from this view
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: that could be JT.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: I don't believe it at all. I mean what you
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: don't let me at least know when he stopped?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: What do you say it's a little tall. I'm gonna
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: say it looks more like my son Jeff, because he's tall.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Kelly.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Wait, listen, in two thousand, I might have been in
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: eighth grade and I was very short at that point,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: It wasn't How do you know for sure the guy
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: you talk to is the guys, what I'm getting at.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, I'm not You're gonna ask how do I
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: know it wasn't me? Because I was in Kansas?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Eactly? How do they know was the guy? I mean,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: what can they have to confirm it is? What could
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: they possibly have to be There's nothing. Apparently there's nothing.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: So either they have something better or they're just covering
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: their own ass.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: They are they are doing c y A because they
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: needed to put Yeah, I say, I'm not gone.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it is that guy. It could
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely not be that guy. But I have questions and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: the answers I just got don't satisfy me.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: They do not satisfy either they should. I mean, I
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: was more satisfied on my flight to Alaska than that satisfied.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Me that er Lincoln's flight. Oh my, nice call, that character.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Nice callback.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Weence.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I am enraged. You're right.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: I can't go into rant night. But Trevor is still
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: missing today, and his family, friends and loved ones are
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: as any of us would be desperate for answers. They
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: want to bring him home, and guys, they continue to
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: hold on to hope that someone will do the right thing.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: And say what they say, what they know. And as
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: we say over on midday missing, someone has to know.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Those people just need to speak up. A damn alien
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: didn't just show up and beam him up, Scottie, Okay,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: they didn't. I want to remind you that by keeping silent,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: you're protecting the perpetrator. You are basically their accomplice. Oh
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: my god, Kelly, I thought that too. When I saw
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: the picture the first time. It looked like Buster Brdle.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: Trying to say that every red haired light like.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: No, they don't, but he does. I'm a ginger fan.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, why do you think I like Prince Harry.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: I'm a ginger girl.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry my hair, but I'm actually a redhead.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, but so I'm sorry. This whole case makes me mad.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: And trust me, there would have been a ten minute
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: rant if we were doing this on midday missing, because
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: I am not satisfied with ship that the police did.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: And the sad thing is so many times in missing
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: person cases, this is the ship that happens.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: And I find that to be criminal, and I think
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: law enforcement should be held accountable.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's wow.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna drink my juice.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Drink your juice, Shelby drank your juice.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, No, So I'm going to ask exactly, and I
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: know this isn't Midday Missing, but I am gonna say, guys,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: we will post the missing person flyers on our site.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Please share them and, like I say, on Midday, if
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: you are from the area or you know groups in
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: that area on Facebook, the Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, share them
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: there because guys, I can guarantee you one thousand percent,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: he did not disappear and nobody see anything. Somebody saw something,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: somebody knows something.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, Well I spent I spent one hundred and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: twenty episodes of Actimputer saying if you see something, say something,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: and there's a reason why that is the case.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: So this case isn't.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not as flashy as some of the things
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: we've done in the past, it's not full of twists.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: But what makes it stick here? I said this in
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: the beginning. It was just a regular night. There was
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: no dramatic exit, there was no clear villain. It was
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: just a mystery wrapped up in something that's so personal.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: It almost feels personal really, And you know what, maybe
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: that's what makes it so it's unsettling. I mean, I've
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: had nights exactly like that, minus the suit and getting
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: an umbrella.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: I never remember to carry an umbrella. Sorry, mom, uh
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: but I got home just fine, So why the hell
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: didn't Trevor?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Mm? Hm?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: You know is his is the kind of story that
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: gets under your skin, not with shock, but kind of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: with subtlety, like ed Gean will get under your skin
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: with shock. It's all shocked.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: Literally, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't think about that before
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: I picked it, But I picked what I picked, and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with it, but listen until until we
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: get some answers.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep following this case. I'm going to keep
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: asking questions.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: I hope you do too, and I'm hoping we finally
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: find out what happened and if someone can fan it
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: vanish doing everything right, Well, we've got some serious plot
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: holes to fill.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Agreed. And the disappearance of Trevor is like so many
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: of the missing person cases that just linger in your
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: mind long after we think about this. Guys, there are
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: so many nights I find myself laying in bed, trying
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: to go to sleep, thinking about where these people are Okay.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a twenty two year old walking through
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: the quiet streets of Dublin after a Christmas party and
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: guess what, He's just gone. And I'm sorry it's not
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: only the family's nightmare, but I think it should be
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: a nightmare for every single human because it could happen
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: to any one of us. Okay, And what makes his
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: case even more haunting is the fact he wasn't an
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: at risk person. He wasn't leading a risky lifestyle. But
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: what's frustrating the police didn't give a shit enough to
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: do their job. They waited ten days. Ten days is
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: too long, Okay, it's too long. Now his family still
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: wants closure. And I'm going to just say this story
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: is haunting and one of the reasons over a mid
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: day missing we keep telling these stories and digging into
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: these and refusing to let the silence win. It's got
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: to stop. If police would start helping find more people,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: people wouldn't go missing as much. Okay, So guys, tonight,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: let's all keep Trevor and his family and our thoughts
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: because someone knows something. And I'm going to tell you
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: you're a piece of shit for keeping your mouth shut. Okay,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: you're a piece of shit. If you know, and you're
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: not saying anything, you're a piece of shit. So because
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: justice delayed doesn't have to mean justice denied. Like I
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: said earlier, remembering to stay silent, you are protecting the
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: criminal and you are humming the victim and their loved
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: ones every day with your silence.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: So I know that we want to get into the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: next thing, but I do want to say this. And
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: I was very interested to see what the hell was
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: going on around December seventh, two thousand in Ireland because
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: maybe something distracted there, you know, took their attention away.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's yeah.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: So he went he went missing December seventh, two thousand
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: on December twelfth, thirteenth, and I don't know, I don't
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: know how long the trip was, but that it was
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: the same time that Bill Clinton, who was president at
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: the time, arrived in Dublin, which was his last international
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: trip as president. And I wonder, do you see where
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going with this? Ye?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Because they.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Or a week, Yeah, I can say more a fact,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: the forward happens weeks ahead of time, because yeah, so.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: Like but you would think that makes me but you
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: would think they would want to clear it up and
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: work the job, because you don't want the US President's there,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: you don't want Shane coming on you. So they just
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: swept it under the road till he left. They left. Oh,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: thank you for pissing me off.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Further good call on. I'm thinking about thinking about that.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: That's I mean, that.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Would I was listen when I was looking forward, I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: was really hoping for context that would help me, like
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: defend the fact that they there's no there's there's no
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: excuse for waiting ten days at all. But I'm wondering.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if there was something that I could
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: have attributed to. But this doesn't help at all.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: No, you didn't do anything to make me feel better.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: No, that that makes a hundred. It does make sense.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, Dublin's big, but it's really.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Not that it's not that big.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: Population wise, like it's it's there like major city, but
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: it's like, I mean, I think my city is bigger
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: than Dublin. Like, so I don't know if they really
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: need the force to do that, because like they come
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: out for weeks to prepare.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: It's crazy opportunity to do a crime if you know
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: the police aren't watching perfect time.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you are terror You are literally four hundred thousand
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: less than Dublin.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: We are really yeah.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Oh double one's bigger than I thought, but not by much.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: You guys, like five million, one p.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Five million people live in Dublin.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, I twenty twenty three, but.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: Like, I know what happens here. Okay, we're at near
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: a million people.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: And when president comes in or even you know, candidates
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: come in, like what happens. I live by my airport,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: so the highways get shut down, Like I.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Just it's a whole thing.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: That's why it's very calculated where he goes when or she. Yeah,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: thinking in the future, like it is not an easy
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: thing to do. And it's called a forward.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: For a reason. They're literally ahead a week or two
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: because they have.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: To establish not only that strategy, but where's the nearest
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: hospital everywhere they're going. You know, all of that's you know, communication, ETCeteras.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: It's phenomenal process that folks. It'd be really cool to
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: bring my dad on to talk about it with you.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: Never well, you guys, thanks for sharing that story tonight.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: I know I'm probably gonna go look further into into
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: this for sure. I mean obviously there probably isn't much
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: more to know because we covered so much. But you know,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: my brain's will work in over here, like what could
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: have happened to this guy?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: Do we believe the police when they say, oh, this
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: stranger that we didn't even can't even actually identify.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: It took us twenty three years and that, like, should
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: we really believe that?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: I understand the family has his brother has said that,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: but like doesn't mean we have to believe it, and
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: I don't. Again, I'm not saying it is that guy,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: but like so we don't even know if it's the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: right guy.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: So if any of you go and do further research
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: and go down the rabbit hole, like Terry D and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: I probably will after the show, leave some comments of
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: what you may find that maybe we didn't include in
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: our show tonight. You know, let's help find Trevor Trevor
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Daley because his family after twenty five years, oh this
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: year will be twenty five years yep, twenty five years.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: He would be almost fifty years old right now. I
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: think they deserve some answers. For sure.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: You're gonna make me cry, no, sorry.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: But like that's a lot, you know, So Yeah, if
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: you guys come up and find new things, put them.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: In our comments. Let's do what we can.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: On that note, if you guys want to wrap up
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: the show for tonight, does sounds deal? That's okay, all right, Well,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: before we go, I just want to promo a.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Few things to you guys, if we may. Let's talk
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: about if you enjoyed our our coverage tonight of missing persons. Okay, Terry,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: she's spoken a lot about Midday Missing tonight. She has
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: a show every Monday and Wednesday called Midday Missing. It's
• 1:34:11
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• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: missing person's cases a week. Sometimes we have family members on. Like.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: It's one of the hardest shows to do, but it's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: so it's so important, Okay, it's so important. A lot
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: of people don't like to talk about missing persons cases
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: because they're not solved and there's not a lot of detail,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: or maybe they're not the perfect victim. Well guess what,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: we don't apply that here. Doesn't matter who they are.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: They deserve to be found and their family deserves answers.
• 1:34:48
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• 1:34:51
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• 1:34:57
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• 1:35:01
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• 1:35:05
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• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: I know a little bit about this case.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: What I do know it is wild, you guys, it
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: is wild.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: You do you not want to miss it? Again? I
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: don't know that much. I only briefly know a little bit,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: and I'm.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Gonna get it way too close to me. We'll just
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: put that out there too close.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna not look into it for next week. I'm
• 1:35:24
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• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to dive deep in more with us
• 1:35:27
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• 1:35:29
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• 1:35:33
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• 1:35:36
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• 1:35:47
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• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: added a couple actually. And then.
• 1:35:55
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• 1:35:59
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• 1:36:01
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• 1:36:05
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  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, why do you have to be lonely to.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Fly it I'll tell you what with the hosts like me,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: they better sponsor us a wink wink not you know
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, like you don't have to be lonely. You're right,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: you don't have to be you know what. Let me
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: just go back to my original, loving, caring situation. No
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: we didn't, all right, Thank you so much.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Please please take care of yourselves, your friends, your family
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: and community. You're important to me, Terry, Tara and everybody else.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Please don't let anybody doll your sparkle and shine on,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: shine on you crazy diamonds.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: We will see you soon. Have a happy Easter or whatever. Celebrate.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: Watch out for the brown eggs in the yard.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, everybody,