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Rising from the Dead and the fight for truth · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Many of you are familiar with the classic vaccine book, Dissolving Illusions, co-authored by Dr.
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  Suzanne Humphries.
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  But did you know she has another well-written book also?
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  Dr.
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  Suzanne Humphreys pulls back the curtain on medical education through her autobiography, telling the truth about medical training, what it takes to become a doctor, and what happens when you leave the club.
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  Sherry Tenpenny.
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  Today's conversation is with board certified medical doctor, vaccine activist, and my very dear friend, Dr.
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  Suzanne Humphreys, to talk about her autobiography, Rising from the Dead.
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  Suzanne, welcome to the 10 Penny Files, and thank you so much for joining me.
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  Yay!
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  Hi, Sherry, great to see you again.
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  Thank you.
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  You know, you're most often in interviewed about your phenomenal book, Dissolving Illusions.
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  And many people don't even know you have another very important book or haven't read aren't familiar with the fact that you wrote a book called Rising from the Dead that reveals the truth about medical training through your own personal experience.
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  Why did you feel compelled to write your story in such intimate detail?
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  Okay.
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  Well, first off, I found out that uh one we lose one medical school class to suicide every year, the equivalent of one medical school class, about 400 doctors kill themselves every year.
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  And I think you and I both can understand why that is.
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  Uh, it's it's a very um challenging profession to get into.
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  And then once you're in there, it is it's it's it can be really soul destroying, uh, actually.
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  And if you stay because you feel you have to, there are lots of reasons why you might not want to live anymore.
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  And so I found that out, and so that's where the title came from, because I consider, you know, look, the the the conventional medical system, by and large, we know this.
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  This is why you probably went into emergency medicine, because that's one of the places where you actually can really help people.
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  But the thinking patterns and and the paradigms within there are they're just for dead people, really.
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  They're just the walking dead.
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  And people that practice that medicine by numbers, they're they're the walking dead, and that's what that's the system that I left.
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  And that's where the title came from.
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  And why the detail?
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  Because, you know, we all have kind of uh scars and moles in our past.
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  And I I just thought, well, before somebody else comes out with it, I might as well.
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  So it was really just preemptive.
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  And um, you know, I had a friend who kept, you know, she was asking me always lots of questions about my life in medicine, because I think she always wanted to go to medical school and she got too sick and she couldn't go, uh even though she was accepted.
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  And I think she just really wanted the details of everything.
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  And in the process, she she's asking me all these questions as she says, you know, you should write a book.
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  And I was like, oh, cut me a break.
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  Like my life is not that exciting.
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  Nobody's ever going to want to read the book that you know about my life.
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  And she was like, Well, no, I think I think they will, and you should at least just start writing down an outline of it.
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  And so I started to write the outline, and and all the memories came back in vivid detail.
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  And the more I thought about it, the more like I wake up in the middle of the night remembering something else.
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  And so I think you just have to start with a framework, and then everything else kind of gets filled in.
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  And that's really what I found in in writing the book.
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  And in the end, I turned around and I was like, you know what?
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  That's actually a pretty good story.
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  Uh and it hasn't really sold very well.
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  And I don't really pump it or push it at all, but that's all right.
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  Because people don't know that you wrote it.
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  And so this is the book.
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  This is the cover of the book, Rising from the Dead, which I read it.
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  And I said to Suzanne, I've known Suzanne, I've known you for what, 20 years now, probably?
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  Probably close to that, yeah.
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  At least 15.
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  And I learned a lot about you that I didn't know.
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  And so, and I thought that I knew pretty well for us to be in friends.
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  And so your medical school and residency stories from the beginning, when you were talking about this, they just brought back so many memories.
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  So I understand what you say when you started writing down an outline that things just come back, things that you didn't really want to remember.
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  Things that and I just loved it that when you talked about during some of your clinical rotations, because um, for the for the for the listener, that you may, you know, um medical school training is pretty much the same across the board in that you go through, you sit in the classroom for two years and you do labs and stuff like that in your first and second year, and then you go out into your third and fourth year, what we call clinical rotations.
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  And that's where you uh just you kind of get a little taste of what each one of the subspecialties are about and hopefully kind of lead you in the direction of what is your interest and you think you want to go.
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  Then you graduate and you go through internship residency and fellowship.
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  So when she was talking about these stories and going through um doing the different rotations, I love this, and I have to take a uh quote it from your book.
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  When you said that during clinical rotations, some of the new chiefs were just blatant assholes, and you went on to tell some of the stories, and man, that just flooded my mind with memories of the people that had been like that in my life.
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  Blatant assholes.
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  And you went on to tell some of the stories.
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  And man, that just flooded my mind with memories of the people that had been like that in my life.
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  I'm sure we could share a lot of a lot of war stories.
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  I'm sure we could share a lot of a lot of war stories.
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  And then if the public really knew what medical training was about in the sleep deprivation and all of those different things.
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  And then if the public really knew what medical training was about in the sleep deprivation and all of those different things.
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  I mean, how how did you feel of, you know, all of these memories kept flooding back?
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  I mean, how how did you feel of, you know, all of these memories kept flooding back?
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  I'm sure there were many more of them that came back that didn't end up in the book.
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  I'm sure there were many more of them that came back that didn't end up in the book.
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  How did
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  How did you pick the pick and choose to add your stories to the book?
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  Oh, I don't know.
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  It was probably somewhat random.
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  And also just the more um colorful characters are the ones that I put in there, the stories that were, I think that would I thought would be more interesting.
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  And you're right, I forgot about that.
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  Like it literally every six weeks, you become a uh a pawn to somebody, somebody new, and and you're at their mercy.
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  Like they they can be salt to the earth wonderful people, and that also happened.
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  And I think I did talk about some of the good people, or they can be ruthless royal a-holes, and um, and then you just got a grin and bear it for six weeks, and then you get actually reviewed by them after that six weeks, and there's a whole hierarchy, you know.
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  So you have your attending physician at the top, who you don't really see all that much, and then you have the chief resident, and then you have the third year resident, the second year resident, and you are the first year resident, unless you're the medical student, which is the scum of the earth at the very, very, very bottom, which we've been we've been all of that, haven't we?
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  Absolutely for sure.
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  And it's and you know, I I I said to Suzanne before we started our conversation.
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  She refers to this book called The House of God that was written in 1978.
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  She was talking about it because it's a story of interns and residents, and they actually made it into a movie and all that stuff.
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  And I actually still had my original copy upstairs that was published in 1978.
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  And I I graduated, I went to I started college in 1980, and I read this at the beginning of college thinking, is that what medical training is like?
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  Then I did my internship and went, yeah, this is pretty much what medical training is like.
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  Then I read it after I was out in practice for a couple of years, and with like, yep, that was really what it was all about.
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  So for people that really want to know, uh, another story.
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  Um, you can find it probably in some used bookstore somewhere called The House of God.
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  It was published in 1978.
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  And so I just thought I'd surprise you with that.
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  It was really kind of fun.
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  You know, another thing that I found out about you that I didn't know uh until I read your book was about the time that you spent in Guatemala and Nicaragua.
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  I didn't spent time down there.
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  And how was that eye opening to you personally and professionally when you did those rotations?
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  Right.
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  So that was during my fourth year of medical school.
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  There was a new rotation where you could go down to Nicaragua to Managua.
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  And it was uh part of a it was some sort of church that we went through.
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  I I actually wrote the I actually wrote the exact name of it in the book.
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  Um, and I'm blanking on it now.
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  But anyway, they agreed with our medical school to have a rotation down there, and I was really wanted to learn Spanish because I was about to go up to the Bronx, New York, where if you don't speak Spanish, your nurses are just gonna hate you because they have to come into every visit with you and translate everything.
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  And so I was really motivated to learn.
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  And I plus I wanted to learn a second language.
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  Like I took French in um high school, and who uses French in America?
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  Nobody, unless you're up in Canada or close to there.
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  And so I thought, oh yeah, well, I'm gonna go learn Spanish.
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  So I went there and I showed up and I was basically sleeping in the living room of some woman's house who was also part of the church.
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  And um then I went to this clinic that was bare bones, and I came with two suitcases full of uh expired medications that a pharmacist was also part of this system, this church system sent with me.
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  And I knew almost nothing at that point.
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  I'm a fourth year medical student, and here I'm just seeing all these little kids coming in with all this snot and older people with lots of aches and pains.
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  It was kind of your typical thing.
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  And um, yeah, so pretty much winged it.
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  There was another doctor there, thank goodness, because once in a while, you know, she would pop in and I'd be able to ask her questions.
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  And the thing that sticks out in my mind the most was when she took me to a birthing hospital, it was actually a regular hospital, but all that really happened there were births and deaths because it was right after the revolution, and you had to walk over a big dirt pile to get from one place to the other because it had been bombed out.
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  I hear Nicaragua now is a vacation destination, and Americans are buying houses there in the very place that I was kind of walking over dirt piles and heaps and looking at some of the worst poverty I've ever seen.
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  I mean, it's probably not as bad as India, but it's it's it's on your way there as far as seeing little kids begging on the dirt roads by the side, you know, it was just heartbreaking.
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  Um so it was just it was just a really good experience because on the way down, I stopped in Guatemala and I took, I think I took like a one-month crash course in Spanish, and I went up into this the highlands of Guatemala because I knew no one would speak English up there.
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  And I just it was like go to a country where nobody speaks English.
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  I I literally just cried for two days.
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  It was so lonely and so weird.
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  Um, but then I was like, come on, girl, pull it together.
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  And I just started walking around the streets with um papers just full of um new words that I had to learn, and I would just go through them in my head until I got them down.
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  And by the time I left there, I had some basic Spanish under my belt, which I continued to build on because the lady I stayed with in Nicaragua didn't speak any Spanish.
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  So, you know, we just we did like Spanglish together.
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  And uh yeah, it was really so I get there and she goes, Está Sandinista, and I was like, Oh, I don't know.
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  She's like asking me like what political, you know, slant I had, and I said, how about you?
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  And she's like, she Sandinista.
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  And then those that was the rebel group, really.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, so anyway, it was it was really a strange experience that I I put in in great detail in there as well as the whole Guatemalan experience where you know, you go up into the high in in the regular cities, it's just like regular life.
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  When you get up into the highlands, you see the natives up there.
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  And I and I was like, Well, where are all the men?
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  And that's a whole other kind of strange story, because like the men were either murdered or taken into um the army.
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  There they were just the only males you would have seen were really old men or little children.
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  Um, but it was it was a beautiful kind of bittersweet experience in both places.
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  Yeah, you talk a lot in your book about the poverty and the lack of feeling safe and how you know we think we've got it so bad sometimes here in the States and we have no idea.
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  That's right.
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  That really, you know, you you talk about how that impacted you a lot in the book.
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  Lot in the book.
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  I thought that was really interesting.
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  I thought that was really interesting.
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  You know, you ever the learner, Suzanne?
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  You know, you ever the learner, Suzanne?
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  I mean, you're just so freaking brilliant, ever learner.
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  I mean, you're just so freaking brilliant, ever learner.
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  And um, that back in the 80s was about the time that the AIDS epidemic was coming up, and you got hold of Drewsberg's book, inventing AIDS, and seeing the response of your friends and colleagues, you realize that hypertension and cancer infections, kidney disease, heart diseases are all pathways to career success.
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  And um, that back in the 80s was about the time that the AIDS epidemic was coming up, and you got hold of Drewsberg's book, Inventing AIDS, and seeing the response of your friends and colleagues, you realize that hypertension and cancer infections, kidney disease, heart diseases are all pathways to career success, is uh that's a quote from your book.
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  Is uh that's a quote from your book.
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  And
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  And there's no one's incentive to explore alternative pathways or a cure that is lost because that means loss of revenue.
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  And when you were trying to get people to understand that and see people, you know, what was really happening with Drewsburg and the AIDS epidemic, and you just kind of got shunned and people thought you were crazy.
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  That was your first step into craziness.
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  How did it feel when you were coming to grips with all of that?
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  Well, I remember I was in a bookstore in New York City because I was on the D train and I could just take the D train down to like the Greenwich Village, and and so they had some great shops down there.
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  And I walked in, and there's this black, it's got a big, it's a big thick book with a black binder, and I think it had either red or white or probably both writing and said inventing the AIDS virus.
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  And I was like, Well, that's an interesting sometimes titles, titles are so important.
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  And I just picked it up based on the title, and I just read the back of it.
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  I thought I need to buy this.
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  And I I bought it, I went home, I read cover to cover, and my dearest friend, uh constant companion, I started to talk to him about it, and he was just like, Oh, stop.
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  Why do you all have to go along with every conspiracy theory that there is?
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  So I guess I already had somewhat of a slant to that because I had an open mind.
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  And I just thought, okay, well, that's not someone I'm going to talk about this with.
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  It turned out there was nobody I could talk about it with ever.
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  Um, because after I went back to Philadelphia and started doing my fellowship, any time I would bring it up, you know, people in the hospital would be like, Oh, yeah, I know about that guy.
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  I think most people just want him to shut up.
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  And I was like, Well, yeah, they probably do.
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  Like, despite the fact that he was a Nobel Prize winning geneticist at the top of his game.
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  I mean, it's a really interesting um phenomenon, what happened with Dewsburg.
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  I was just listening to an audio book recently where somebody was talking more in depth about what happened with Dewsburg.
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  Anyone that actually worked with Dewsburg pretty much disowned him during that time because he was talking about uh oh, I think it was in top Dr.
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  Thomas Cowan's book, maybe.
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  But he was talking about um the fact that there is no real AIDS virus, that there's this HIV phenomenon.
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  I'm not even going to go there in this podcast.
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  Uh, but he was saying that a lot of the the illnesses that we were seeing might be related to certain lifestyles, and and it was nitrous oxide in particular, the poppers that like the gay male community and the toxicity of that stuff is it's it's real.
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  There's no controversy about that, that it can really ruin an immune system.
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  And then there were other reasons in Africa that he would get into, and I thought, well, that's that's really interesting.
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  Like, why don't why wouldn't we at least want to look at that?
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  That's that was kind of my opinion because all we had was we were throwing these drugs at people, and yeah, we could get their T cell counts to come back up and the drugs had some impact, but there are a whole bunch of people out there that even back then I knew they were long-term survivors, and I was like, wait a minute, we've got people living with HIV who never develop AIDS.
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  I want to know more about that.
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  Like, why aren't we studying those people?
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  I was like, Oh, yeah, but there's just a few of them, and and yeah, we are studying them.
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  Well, it's it turns out that you know, you can have AIDS without HIV, and you can have HIV without AIDS.
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  And so why wouldn't we want to know more about that?
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  Because people I was seeing people being diagnosed with HIV and and just literally losing their minds over it.
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  And and now I know people who have been diagnosed who just kind of changed their lifestyle and their happiness.
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  I'm not saying everybody can do this, but there are lots of people out there who are living for 20, 30, now probably 40, 50 years, um, and doing perfectly fine with this HIV phenomenon diagnosed by PCR in their in their body.
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  So Deusburg, anybody that worked with him, if they publicly agreed with him, um, they would not get any more public funding.
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  They could not get grant money.
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  And so Deisburg really took it on the chin.
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  And that the devil basically went to him and said, you know, get on your knee.
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  And if you get on your knee, you can have your career back.
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  And he said, no.
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  I mean, he was like he was a really kind of strong man.
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  I think he's still alive, actually.
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  So I don't know.
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  I kind of have a lot of admirable, I admire him and have a lot of respect for what he did.
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  That he he believed he in something, he saw something, he talked about it, he saw his career get ruined by it, and he still didn't back down.
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  That's got to tell you something, doesn't it?
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  That's like you and me, Sherry.
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  It's like uh once you know what you know and you can identify it and stand on it, you have to stay with it.
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  You know, even if people try, unless people can convince you otherwise, which you know, in the work that you and I've done for 20 years now, nobody can convince us otherwise.
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  You know, in your in this book, Rising from the Dead, you tell lots of stories about abusive doctors.
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  And sadly, I could tell you equally as many because as I'm reading your book, you know, all these stories about people and situations, you know, so I would find myself gazing off into the the distance and having all these memories of all these different things that that I uh that I I had too, and I sure that you know a lot of people had, and you know, it's in uniquely, and you said something in the in the in the book that I had never given any consideration to before, and that you said that during uh medical school entrance exams, when you go from college and get accepted into medical school, and then when you get out of medical school and you're accepted into a residency program, that quote, the selection does not require psychological testing to ensure that doctors released on the unsuspecting public are what patients deserve.
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  And I thought that was such a well-written sentence.
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  I wanted to repeat that.
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  And that really hit me because not only you alluded to it that we get at the top of the of the conversation here about the suicide risk that doctors have, but you also talked about all the abusive doctors and the doctors that just really seemed to hate people.
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  And he wondered why they even went into medicine and they were abusive to their residents, they were abusive to their patients.
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  Um, and that they really there's no screening for that.
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  And I don't think there is to, you know, even to this very day.
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  What what are your thoughts about that?
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  Yeah, I think it's become even more ubiquitous.
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  I I really honestly don't understand what that's all about.
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  Um, but it's not just in medicine.
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  Like, I I don't know if you've flown the airlines recently, but I feel like the flight attendants are kind of the same way.
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  And I I even wrote a letter to United Airlines.
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  I'm like, why do your flight attendants hate us?
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  They're just so disdainful and nasty, they're just automatically ready to hate.
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  And uh, you know, I found even today, like I get patients coming to me and they tell me stories about how they were treating.
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  I mean, one of the most notable recently, a lady comes to me, she's she's supposed to be in a wheelchair and not walk, but she's very determined.
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  Notable recently.
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  A lady comes to me.
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  She's she's supposed to be in a wheelchair and not walk, but she's very determined.
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  So she kind of very slowly limps into my office and tells me her story, where she was a medical professional and she had a spinal problem and a neurosurgeon operated on her.
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  So she kind of very slowly limps into my office and tells me her story, where she was a medical professional and she had a spinal problem and a neurosurgeon operated on her.
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  And afterwards, she couldn't feel her legs.
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  And afterwards, she couldn't feel her legs.
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  And I believe she was ultimately diagnosed with caught aquina syndrome.
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  And um, I believe she was ultimately diagnosed with cardioquina syndrome, and she knew straight away.
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  And she knew straight away.
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  She said to him, I'm pretty sure that I've got caught aquina syndrome, like the day after the operation.
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  She said to him, I'm pretty sure that I've got caught Aquina syndrome, like the day after the operation.
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  He said, if this
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  He said, if this is caught equino syndrome, I'm going to give you one of my Porsches.
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  And I've got six of them.
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  That's how sure I am that this is not because apparently it's a medical emergency that you have to be taken right back in.
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  Well, he went home for the weekend.
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  She developed paralysis and she still got it.
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  And she never got her Porsche.
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  And like just imagine the arrogance.
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  If this is caught at Aquinas syndrome, I'll give you one.
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  And then he doesn't even give it to her.
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  Um, but yeah, I just felt like there were a lot of psychos, like really sick people that um that like having the power over other people.
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  And I'm sure there are other um professions where this happens as well, but the compassion, well, I I think the younger doctors showed the most compassion, and the ones that have been around the longest were the ones that could evolve into just real monsters, really.
• 22:15
  And here we are again, either at one level in the hierarchy at their mercy, and then their patients are always at their mercy.
• 22:22
  And it was so it was really to me, it was more it really stood out when there was a compassionate person that really cared about their patients.
• 22:29
  That's really what stood out because the norm was pretty much just treating everybody like cattle.
• 22:34
  Yeah, and you know, I think that some of the younger medical school years, now I haven't heard this to be like across the board in all medical school trainings, and maybe it was just pilot programs where they had the medical students go into the hospital as though they were a patient, and they had to, you know, be subject to all the exposure things that people get exposed to with being around the troops of residents and fellows and and the abusiveness of the nurses and the fact that you're in a hospital bed and you're tired and you don't feel good, and that's the reason that you're there, and they wake you up two hours every two hours to take your blood pressure, and there's noise in the hallway and in the nurses' station.
• 23:11
  You know, I seriously, you know, I know that you and I have done this for years.
• 23:15
  I you know, I was an ER doc, so I admitted patients.
• 23:18
  I didn't take care of them in the hospital, but so much of the time you want to get them out as fast as they can.
• 23:24
  The food's terrible, the the lighting is terrible, the smells are bad, the people are abusive, and people think that they're going to go to the hospital to get get to get healed.
• 23:34
  They get sicker while they're there, they get exposed to MRSA and all these other really bad bugs, you know, pseudomonas and different things in the hospital situation.
• 23:43
  Um, it's it it seems as though that the that and the fact that the medical professions aren't screened and they aren't even trained in end-of-life care.
• 23:52
  I was at a conference in Washington, DC a few weeks ago, and and the there were panel discussions, and they were talking about um uh uh uh religious exemptions and religious uh uh religious abusive people got abused because they were Christian, the doctors that had gotten abused, and also the fact that they are are are told that they can't do these things and they're just being abused for all their for their beliefs, and these are all they were all doctors saying we need to have some other type of compassionate care.
• 24:23
  But I don't see anybody anything rising from the ashes anytime soon.
• 24:27
  I don't know what do you what do you think?
• 24:29
  Well, you know, funny enough, uh I think the most compassionate care and the nicest people I've ever met in in medicine is in hospice.
• 24:36
  How sick is that?
• 24:37
  They're so nice.
• 24:39
  The doctors, the nurses, everybody.
• 24:41
  It's like, why is that?
• 24:42
  I remember my mother was in hospice, and I thought, gosh, I think I even wrote about that.
• 24:45
  If every if all doctors could have that kind of an outlook, why is it that doctors and hospice can be compassionate and kind of is it because they know the relationship will be ended at some point?
• 24:56
  Uh they have problems with long-term relationships.
• 24:58
  I don't know.
• 25:00
  Um, but yeah.
• 25:03
  Well, that was what that was the point I was trying to make, and I kind of got off track there by going to that conference.
• 25:07
  They were talking about how doctors have no training in end-of-life care.
• 25:12
  That you know, the the idea is for being a physician, you got to keep people alive at all costs.
• 25:18
  But are you really keeping them alive?
• 25:20
  Are you prolonging death?
• 25:22
  You know, if you're if people are at that place and you're still doing all these things like putting them on a ventilator and doing this procedure and that procedure and all these things, because if someone dies, it's like a failure.
• 25:32
  You know, you failed to get to overcome death somehow.
• 25:35
  And then training and being able to sit down with a family and say, you know, we've done a lot, they've had a good life.
• 25:42
  There really isn't much else that we can do but make them comfortable.
• 25:46
  And physicians don't know how to have those conversations, and it's the patients that suffer for that.
• 25:52
  Definitely.
• 25:53
  Yeah, I mean, I but I did get a little bit of that up in my residency in the Bronx, New York, but definitely not during um during any of the other years of training, which is a funny word that I always think is funny that we use the word training, like we're a bunch of monkeys that have to get, you know, it is true though.
• 26:10
  It's actually true.
• 26:13
  It's true.
• 26:14
  And you know, and and then later on in your career, you say, Well, I don't know anything about that.
• 26:19
  I wasn't trained that way.
• 26:21
  It's like, well, no, I think you have a brain, think you could learn.
• 26:25
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• 26:27
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  Today's conversation is with board certified medical doctor, vaccine activists, and my dear friend of many, many years, Dr.
• 33:38
  Suzanne Humphries, talking about her autobiography Rising from the Dead.
• 33:43
  Let me tell you just a little bit more about our get our guest today.
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• 33:51
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• 33:52
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• 33:54
  Dr.
• 33:55
  Suzanne Humphreys is a medical doctor, board certified by the American Board of Internal Medicine in both internal medicine and nephrology, which is taking care of your kidneys.
• 34:04
  She worked in conventional medical system from 1989 till 2011 when she left her hospital position in good standing.
• 34:12
  And since that time, Dr.
• 34:14
  Humphreys has been furthering her medical research and education on vaccines, immunity history, and functional medicine.
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  Suzanne.net.
• 34:28
  Suzanne, I'm so grateful to have you here today and have this conversation.
• 34:31
  You know, in your book, one of the things that you talk about is there were three cases that you had that were unintentionally missed, they were given the wrong treatment.
• 34:42
  You know, you you got a lab review over the phone, and it will you were given incorrect numbers and started a therapy, and it really didn't apply.
• 34:51
  And there were like a couple of those.
• 34:53
  And what really impressed me about that was how you took ownership of that, and you called up those patients and said, I was wrong.
• 34:59
  You know, we're gonna discontinue this, we're gonna change that.
• 35:00
  Discontinue this, we're going to change that.
• 35:02
  And I and it's really such a uh a statement of the integrity of the person you are.
• 35:02
  And I and it's really such a uh a statement of the integrity of the person you are.
• 35:07
  You didn't try to, you know, blame it on the nurses for reading you the wrong numbers or come up with some excuse for for this not happening, and that you took ownership of that.
• 35:07
  You didn't try to, you know, blame it on the nurses for reading you the wrong numbers or come up with some excuse for for this not happening, and that you took ownership of that.
• 35:16
  And we all have a real, you know, I think every doctor, if they're honest, they have one, two or three, or maybe even more patients that they have been that they gave the wrong therapy to, or they had a bad outcome, or they were misdiagnosed.
• 35:16
  And we all have a real, you know, I think every doctor, if they're honest, they have one, two or three, or maybe even more patients that they have been that they gave the wrong therapy to or they had a bad outcome, or they were misdiagnosed or something.
• 35:31
  And taking ownership of that is so it's a lot of responsibility.
• 35:37
  So I wanted to acknowledge that.
• 35:39
  And what and that was part of your book that you you talked about in a lot of detail.
• 35:44
  Right.
• 35:45
  Yes, you're bringing back all these memories now.
• 35:47
  Yes, I did.
• 35:47
  And I remember one, I I I wrote this prescription wrong for uh corticosteroid, a guy that had uh terrible um kidney disease.
• 35:57
  Um, and there was another one where uh my um my one of my office assistants phoned me to tell me that there was a positive result on an autoimmune um kidney disease, and I prescribed I think they think it was like cyclophosphamide, which is a really toxic drug.
• 36:15
  And then later on when I went back to look at the chart, I was like, oh no, she misinterpreted what this said.
• 36:20
  And yeah, so you just look when it first happens, and and you're you realize at least with me, my blood literally ran cold.
• 36:30
  I was like, oh MG, what am I gonna do now?
• 36:33
  And so you just sit there and you go through all your possible options.
• 36:37
  And the only one that I could live with was like, let me just talk about this with the person, see what they have to say and make the best of the situation, you know, because of course we're all tempted to lie about it, but you know that if you lie about it, it's gonna come back to get you, and you're not gonna be able to let go of it in your own heart and your own head.
• 36:55
  So that really wasn't an option when I went through the option list.
• 36:59
  So it really turns out that if you do wrong to somebody, just like you don't even have to be a doctor.
• 37:04
  If you do wrong to somebody, if you tell them that you've done wrong to them and apologize to them, most of the time, I'd say almost all the time, you're gonna be forgiven.
• 37:14
  And and I was, and it was like I was shockingly forgiven to the point of like I wanted to cry and couldn't believe how how nice these people were when I told them.
• 37:23
  And since then, I've actually learned of you know, there was there was another case of somebody I know who accidentally killed a child because they got the decimal point wrong.
• 37:33
  And he went and did the same thing and talked to the family, and the family was devastated, but the family said that they forgave him.
• 37:39
  And he actually quit his career in medicine.
• 37:41
  He couldn't even, he couldn't go on after that.
• 37:43
  But uh, yeah, so you know, like I know surgeons have this saying that if if you haven't dropped the lung, you haven't put in enough central lines.
• 37:51
  And it's true, like if you're doing this all the time, you're going to make mistakes.
• 37:56
  There's no doubt about it.
• 37:57
  We all are going to make mistakes.
• 37:58
  It's just a question of how bad the mistake will be.
• 38:02
  Yeah, and I think that you're right.
• 38:03
  I mean, we've all heard stories about when the this was a story from many years ago where the surgeon cut off the wrong foot, you know, genetic surgery and had to go explain it to the patient and was struggling, and what were they going to say?
• 38:15
  And they just finally in them self-centered themselves and said, I just have to tell the truth.
• 38:20
  And and I think that most people, not all people, but most people are are much more forgiving when you say, I made a mistake and I own it, rather than and that's in all areas of life, rather than trying to cover up or make excuses or make blame or something like that.
• 38:37
  I think that that's really true.
• 38:38
  You know, your transition out of being a by the book conventional nephrologist, which you did for a long time, I think it was 11, 12 years.
• 38:47
  Um, it was rather, you know, by reading your story, it wasn't like an overnight decision.
• 38:52
  It was slow and steady until suddenly it dawned on you one day, and you wrote this in your book.
• 38:58
  It dawned on me, I was a highly trained agent for the pharmaceutical industry.
• 39:02
  And I used to call it being a glorified drug rep, you know, that you just pull one pill from the other to the next.
• 39:08
  Looking back on that period of time in the transition, what is your perspective to where you are now?
• 39:17
  Hmm.
• 39:19
  Well, I remember waking up to that route right around the time when I got the Dewsburg book, because got getting back to that was, you know, cancer, cancer, the cancer industry was already well established.
• 39:31
  And so I didn't think twice about working in the oncology board.
• 39:34
  So AIDS was just kind of evolving in the 1980s when I was in my medical residency in an AIDS hub in Bronx, New York, right?
• 39:44
  And I remember thinking, it's after I finished the book, I thought, wait a minute, if we actually had a cure for AIDS, where would all these egos be?
• 39:54
  And I'm talking big time egos here, like I'm an HIV specialist.
• 39:58
  And I was like, oh gosh, that's okay.
• 40:00
  Um, yeah, like what would they do?
• 40:02
  They'd have to just go be GPs or they'd have to find some other niche that they could be the, you know, the king of the pile on.
• 40:09
  Um so sorry, get get me back to the original question again.
• 40:14
  I sometimes go get entangled.
• 40:16
  So when you look at your transition out of conventional medicine to where the glorified agent, right?
• 40:22
  Yeah.
• 40:23
  So I remembered at that point.
• 40:24
  So that so I thought to myself, wait a minute, let me look at myself.
• 40:27
  I'm pointing at somebody else.
• 40:29
  Well, let's look in the mirror here.
• 40:30
  What can I actually do for people?
• 40:32
  And I remember being envious of surgeons because they can actually do something physically with their hands that makes a huge difference to people.
• 40:39
  I remember being envious of chiropractors because they can do something with their hands and even osteopaths when they actually study osteopathy, which we know most of them don't.
• 40:48
  Um, but people that actually could give something that was lasting and meaningful that did not involve writing a prescription.
• 40:55
  All I actually knew how to do was examine a person, which is good because a lot of these young doctors today could honestly they don't even know how to do a proper physical examination.
• 41:05
  They can't tell you a heart murmur from Adam.
• 41:07
  And um, so at least I could do that, but but then I would order tests looking for disease, and I would write prescriptions.
• 41:16
  And I thought, this isn't what I signed up for.
• 41:18
  I mean, I thought I literally did.
• 41:19
  I was so dumb when I was young.
• 41:21
  I thought I was gonna be healer by going to medical school.
• 41:24
  And um, so yeah, that when I looked at that, I just thought this this isn't what I really wanted.
• 41:30
  And then I started looking in in other places and exploring, because I am an explorer.
• 41:34
  Like if if I'm not happy, like I'm like the wolf that will chew her leg off to get free.
• 41:38
  Like I'm not gonna stay somewhere I'm not happy.
• 41:41
  So I wasn't happy, so I did.
• 41:42
  I went to, I I I studied homeopathy for four years.
• 41:45
  And that was right around the time.
• 41:47
  So we met in 2008, by the way.
• 41:48
  We've known each other for 18 years, and that's a great story we can get into in a minute if you want to.
• 41:54
  Um, but so I studied homeopathy from it, it was partly a distance course and partly had to be in the indev in UK for.
• 42:00
  Devin UK for.
• 42:01
  And I loved that.
• 42:01
  And I loved that.
• 42:02
  I learned I learned more about potassium studying homeopathy than I did as a nephrologist.
• 42:02
  I learned I learned more about potassium studying homeopathy than I did as a nephrologist.
• 42:09
  And it really enhanced my nephrology.
• 42:09
  And it really enhanced my nephrology.
• 42:11
  Um, but what happened was I started looking because the homeopaths have this idea.
• 42:11
  Um, but what happened was I started looking because the homeopaths have this idea.
• 42:16
  There's a guy named Vithulkis who wrote a book on it, that um we have levels of disease, levels of pathology and sickness.
• 42:16
  There's a guy named Vithulkis who wrote a book on it, that um we have levels of disease, levels of pathology and sickness, and that in the beginning, you know, you know, back when Hahneman was writing uh doing his translation.
• 42:24
  And that in the beginning, you know, you know, back when Hahneman was writing uh doing his translations and getting his revelation is that you know, they're putting coal tar and things on people's skin, and he would see that, you know, and sulfur that skin rash would go away, but then something deeper in the body would happen, and then they would treat that, and then it would get even deeper.
• 42:43
  And then I started to think about it.
• 42:45
  And in my practice, while I'm still a nephrologist, I start asking people, like getting a really good history.
• 42:50
  Well, yeah, when I was younger, I had a skin rash.
• 42:52
  Well, of course that would happen after their vaccines, right?
• 42:54
  They would develop skin rash.
• 42:56
  Then they would be given a steroid for the skin rash.
• 42:58
  Then the child would develop asthma and allergies.
• 43:01
  And then by the time they're an adult, they've got coronary artery disease, hypertension evolving into kidney failure.
• 43:07
  And the path, like every single person had this path.
• 43:10
  The focus is 100% correct.
• 43:12
  I mean, there are some exceptions, obviously, but that is a very common pathway.
• 43:16
  And I thought, I've been contributing to this.
• 43:18
  I've been contributing, I've been die, I've been treating hypertension like it's a disease.
• 43:22
  You know, and nobody ever gets better from hypertension because you give them blood pressure pills for the rest of their lives.
• 43:28
  Um, so yeah, it was a bit of a moment where I had to look in the mirror and see that uh that I was actually not that different.
• 43:35
  So yeah, I was like, I was a glorified pharmaceutical technician.
• 43:38
  That was definitely not what I wanted to be.
• 43:40
  And that's what made me go into nephrology, because I thought, if this is all I know how to do, I'm gonna be the best at it, and I'm gonna give these drugs to people who would die without them.
• 43:50
  So that was how I came to terms with my own soul, uh, how I could stay in, pay off my loans until I could get out.
• 43:57
  So that's that's what I did.
• 43:58
  And that's as soon as I paid off my lens, I bolted.
• 44:01
  So I started to wake up.
• 44:02
  So because I knew, you know, I didn't have to bow down to anybody anymore.
• 44:08
  Can you hear that?
• 44:10
  I hear it's raining.
• 44:12
  It's raining on my roof here, so I don't know if that's gonna be a problem.
• 44:16
  Can't hear anything, though.
• 44:17
  Okay, good.
• 44:18
  So because of that, um, yeah, I was able to start looking, you know, from a distance, knowing that I had the option to leave.
• 44:25
  And I wasn't ready to leave when I met you in 2008.
• 44:29
  Uh, I had just started seeing problems with vaccines, and I started doing some research.
• 44:33
  And here I've come up with this lady named Dr.
• 44:35
  Sherry Tenpenny, and um and I started listening to everything you did, every podcast, everything you'd written.
• 44:40
  I read your book saying no to vaccines.
• 44:42
  I read foul, and and then I contacted you thinking you wouldn't contact me back, and you did.
• 44:49
  And and we started communicating, and you helped me because in 2008 I woke up.
• 44:55
  2009, I gave my notice.
• 44:57
  I didn't leave till 2011 because I didn't want my partners didn't want me to leave because they would have been stuck with all the work I had to do that they had to do, my work.
• 45:05
  And so in that time, that two years was not fun.
• 45:09
  And you were a really good friend to have at that time because I started writing, I started talking publicly, going on Gary Null, and um, yeah, so having you to kind of bounce things off of, and you were envious of me because you were already a fully developed anti-vaxxer at that point.
• 45:24
  You would have gone in that hospital and ripped it up.
• 45:26
  Well, I was still a baby kind of learning at that point and a bit timid.
• 45:29
  And every time I tried to say something, I was stopped, stomped and trounced on until I really did get my sea legs on, and then they had to get consultants to to uh argue with me, uh, who made no sense.
• 45:41
  And that's when I realized that we're dealing with a bunch of naked emperors and the um asylums being run by the lunatics, and I just was out of there.
• 45:48
  That was it.
• 45:49
  I never looked back.
• 45:50
  I have no regrets walking away in 2011, even though I had no plan, no job, had no idea where I was gonna go, was literally collecting aluminum cans to put gas in my car while I was working things out and writing my book.
• 46:03
  Um I'll never forget that day.
• 46:05
  I was sitting in my normal place at the the back in the day at that time.
• 46:10
  I had a uh I sat on the floor with my back against the couch and my coffee table was my desk.
• 46:16
  And I I will never forget the minute that I got that first email from you.
• 46:20
  And because I said to Kevin, Kevin, you're never gonna believe this.
• 46:24
  I just got an email from an MD nephrologist who's asking me questions about vaccines.
• 46:29
  I can't believe it.
• 46:30
  And so that minute, like it was yesterday, seriously.
• 46:35
  It was so exciting.
• 46:37
  And of course I wrote to right back.
• 46:38
  I was like so excited that, you know, and you know, that sort of started our friendship and and our collaboration.
• 46:44
  And in I remember those early days when you were like, How do you put up with this?
• 46:49
  You know, and we all the brutality that they put you through, which included when you talked in your book about when you were leaving your group practice, that you'd been with those guys all that time and you had been the workhorse, you'd picked up more work than any of the rest of them, and that you even stayed two years just until they could find somebody.
• 47:06
  I think you told me at one point they had to they had to hire two people to replace the amount of work that you did.
• 47:12
  And and then on your goodbye party, they didn't even show up to say goodbye.
• 47:17
  And I had a similar circumstance, my very last day in the ER of my very last shift there.
• 47:23
  I'd been there for 12 years, and many of those guys I'd saved their butts more times than I could count, you know, of different things that happened.
• 47:30
  And the nurses throw me, threw me a little bit of a party back in the little in the little kitchen area.
• 47:35
  And two people in that entire hospital of like 170 doctors, and they all knew it.
• 47:40
  Uh, they all knew that that was my last day.
• 47:42
  Two doctors came down to say, you know, well, good luck in your future.
• 47:46
  And one of them was an orthopedic surgeon who had been pretty much my best friend in the hospital the whole time I'd been there.
• 47:52
  That was it.
• 47:53
  That was it.
• 47:54
  So when you decide to leave the club, you know, the doctor club, and you go off on your own and not continue to march good step to the propaganda.
• 48:05
  You're really on your own.
• 48:07
  Really absolutely.
• 48:08
  And and you know, hug a nurse today, people, because nurses are your best friend if you're a doctor.
• 48:14
  I mean, they they teach us when we're when we're young.
• 48:17
  They're our friends when we get older.
• 48:19
  And every nurse that stood by my side, every um dialysis unit chief nurse ended up getting fired within one year after I left, because I believe one of the reasons that they were scrutinized and looked at that way is because they supported me.
• 48:36
  Where very few, if a doctor supported me, it was always in private.
• 48:39
  Always like, oh, I I really agree with what you're doing, but I can't do it with you.
• 48:46
  Yeah.
• 48:47
  And you know, and all the things that some of the things that, you know, you and I talked about over the years, but some of the things were just um, please don't give my my patient vaccines as a standing order until so.
• 49:00
  So I mean they're coming in here, they're really sick, and then you inject them with this foreign matter.
• 49:00
  I mean, they're coming in here, they're really sick, and then you inject them with this foreign matter.
• 49:05
  Now, how do I decide if they're sick or if they got this or was a reaction to what you guys got injected into them?
• 49:05
  Now, how do I decide if they're sick or if they got this or was a reaction to what you guys got injected into them?
• 49:10
  And you weren't asking the medical staff and the hospital to never give vaccines.
• 49:10
  And you weren't asking the medical staff and the hospital to never give vaccines.
• 49:16
  You were just saying, don't give it to a very sick patient.
• 49:16
  You were just saying, don't give it to a very sick patient.
• 49:20
  Let us do our work first.
• 49:20
  Let us do our work first.
• 49:21
  Once they get better, they get their flu shot after the fact if you want them to do that, or their pneumonia shot.
• 49:21
  Once they get better, they get their flu shot after the fact if you want them to do that, or their pneumonia shot.
• 49:26
  Don't give it to them as they walk in the door.
• 49:26
  Don't give it to them as they walk in the door.
• 49:28
  And now I have.
• 49:28
  And now I have patients that tell me all the time, I'm so afraid to go to the hospital because I don't know what they're going to do to me.
• 49:35
  Maybe when I'm, you know, having surgery or having a colonoscopy or something like that.
• 49:39
  Are they going to give me a flu shot or a COVID shot as it was, you know, a couple of years ago?
• 49:44
  And so there's a lot of fear there.
• 49:46
  And I really believe that the medical profession has been so damaged in so many ways that I don't think it's ever going to come back to, you know, where you trust your doctor.
• 49:56
  I, you know, and and I guess that's probably a good thing.
• 50:00
  Yeah, the paradigm is just all wrong.
• 50:03
  And um, yeah, that if you have a patient that says that that says I'm afraid to go in, that's good.
• 50:08
  I mean, you should have some vigilance when you go into the hospital.
• 50:11
  The patient that the one that started everything, and this is literally how everything started, was uh just a an older woman who I had you I could admit from a distance, but then at the end of my office day, I had to go up into the ward and formally admit her and say hello to her and write a note.
• 50:26
  And she knew nothing about vaccines, nothing at all.
• 50:29
  And so a pharmacist went into her room and told her how safe and effective the both the H1N1 and the seasonal flu shot was.
• 50:37
  And she said, Oh, yes, definitely, I then I want it, got both of them, and then they put my name as the ordering physician.
• 50:43
  And so when you can imagine when I got up to the floor, I was like, WTF, like this has to be a mistake.
• 50:49
  And the nurse said, No, this is a new, um, this is a new policy.
• 50:52
  And and so when I complained, I was told by the chief of medicine that they would change the policy that they would put his name on it instead of mine.
• 51:00
  And so then I just said, okay, well, the gloves are off.
• 51:02
  So anyone that I admitted, anyone I consulted on, first thing I did was do not vaccinate.
• 51:07
  Do you know neurosurgeons have that same order?
• 51:10
  Do not vaccinate.
• 51:10
  Do you know why?
• 51:11
  Because they don't want to have to deal with a fever in a patient that they just operated on their brain.
• 51:17
  And so I and I would use that as the I would say, look, how come it's okay for them, but it's not okay for me?
• 51:23
  And then I was just told tough beans.
• 51:26
  Uh, and and it all went on from there for you know, three long years of uh of me learning and showing them, thinking, you know, this is how it is, Sherry.
• 51:35
  Then you can laugh about this now because back then I was all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and I thought, well, I just found all this stuff that's true, and I'm a doctor.
• 51:42
  And so if I say it, like people are going to pay attention because I'm a doctor and I've done all this training and I know more about vaccines than any of these idiots in the administration that are telling me all this crap.
• 51:54
  And uh turned out that no, that that doesn't matter at all.
• 51:56
  Knowledge doesn't matter, integrity doesn't matter, policy matters and how policy is made has nothing to do with me, and I wouldn't have agreed to any of it.
• 52:04
  And I remember this Nigerian doctor coming up to me because word got out about Humphreys the anti-vax at some point, and he said, I know why you cancel.
• 52:12
  No, he said, he said, I know why they do it like that, meaning that the um the pharmacist and goes and does it, he goes, because I would not do it because he wouldn't put gives give a he was he didn't want to give his patients vaccines either.
• 52:24
  He was a hospitalist at the time.
• 52:26
  And uh, yeah, those days, oh, I'm so glad they're over.
• 52:30
  But that was what launched everything.
• 52:32
  Those were those, you know, it's so funny, you know, you have these moments that you don't realize at the time are going to change your life forever, or gonna change the world forever in some ways, because look, they they turned me into the monster I became because if they'd have just said, hello, doctor, yes, oh right, geez, we never thought about that.
• 52:47
  You're absolutely right.
• 52:48
  We shouldn't be putting inflammatory substances into patients who have inflammatory kidney disease, and you're about to put a needle into their kidney and you could we could cause a coagulopathy and make them bleed, which actually happened.
• 53:00
  Um, I wouldn't have become who I am today.
• 53:02
  But because they fought me and denied the truth that I had sitting in front of me while they had nothing.
• 53:08
  They didn't actually know anything in order to be able to argue with me.
• 53:11
  That's what really lit me and set me on fire.
• 53:13
  And then the more I found the more, you know, back in those days, we would get a medical article.
• 53:18
  We could we'd order it from the library and we'd have to wait for it.
• 53:20
  When it finally came, it was like, oh, more evidence.
• 53:22
  This is great.
• 53:23
  Well, I mean, I think we have influenced a lot of people, and that's that's why I left because uh they tried to convince me to stay and do my own research on the vaccines with kidney fair.
• 53:32
  I'm like, oh, right, you want me to do the job of the pharmaceutical company, def off.
• 53:35
  No, that's not gonna happen.
• 53:37
  So I left and um and I decided to take my message directly to parents to the public.
• 53:42
  And I am so glad I did that.
• 53:44
  And and the best thing I can hear from parents is that they weren't sure what to do.
• 53:48
  They listened to convention, they listened to what I said, and they made their decision.
• 53:52
  That's all we want.
• 53:54
  Yeah, the thing that I've been, you know, we, you know, you and I are such similar paths in so many ways.
• 53:59
  And after reading through your book and, you know, your book Rising from the Dead, um, and I thought I knew you pretty well, but I learned a lot of things.
• 54:07
  And I think everybody should it's really as a telltale about uh medical education and a little bit of a telltale about Dr.
• 54:14
  Suzanne Humphreys.
• 54:15
  But you know, uh what I uh what you've been saying is like do your own research, and I've been trying to get people to say, you know, for 26 years, I've been saying, just ask what's coming through that needle.
• 54:28
  Just ask, you know, do you you know, just ask because if the if they don't know what's in it, that shouldn't, they shouldn't be injecting it in your body or in your child's body.
• 54:37
  If they can't do what it is, and if you say, well, it's it's uh DPT uh and polio and hepatitis B, and then you can say, well, when is my baby gonna be exposed to all those things at the same time that we have to do that?
• 54:51
  You know, just ask some simple questions.
• 54:54
  You don't need to know this material to the level that Suzanne knows it or that I know it, or you haven't spent 25 years studying it.
• 55:01
  It's just that just ask simple questions.
• 55:05
  What's coming through that needle?
• 55:07
  And do I need to get that?
• 55:08
  You know, that's all you need to.
• 55:10
  Well, Suzanne, one last question, and you know, as we close up our time here together today, um, we've done a kind of a brief overview of what your book's about.
• 55:18
  It is so written from the heart.
• 55:20
  I mean, it's just so you the way that it's written.
• 55:23
  Why do you think people should buy this book and have it read it and have it in their personal library?
• 55:28
  Well, you just reminded me that one of the reasons I wrote it is because the medical profession really tried to intimidate me and from from the CDC downwards.
• 55:39
  And my peers tried to intimidate me.
• 55:41
  The chief of medicine tried to intimidate me.
• 55:44
  And I observed how people, how doctors treat their own patients.
• 55:48
  And I thought, I'm writing this for the patient, you know, for people who might go into the medical system because I want them to understand if they could have intimidated me, that of course they're gonna feel intimidated.
• 56:00
  Intimidated and I wanted to give them some knowledge.
• 56:00
  And I wanted to give them some knowledge.
• 56:02
  There's also a lot about childbirth in there.
• 56:02
  There's also a lot about childbirth in there.
• 56:04
  Um I wanted that to give them some information that they could stand on that was written in in layman's terms, which you know, dissolving illusions necessarily isn't.
• 56:04
  Um I wanted that to give them some information that they could stand on that was written in in layman's terms, which you know, dissolving illusions necessarily isn't.
• 56:14
  I always say that you know you have to be crazy to to um to read dissolving illusions cover to cover within a couple of days.
• 56:14
  I always say that you know, you have to be crazy to um to read dissolving illusions cover to cover within a couple of days, although I do know one person that did it.
• 56:21
  Although I do know one person that did it.
• 56:23
  Um, but to turn to read rising from the dead page to page in a couple of days, it's a piece of cake because it's a real page turner.
• 56:23
  Um, but to turn to read rising from the dead page to page in a couple of days, it's a piece of cake because it's a real page turner, and and it'll give you a lot of information that you can use later.
• 56:33
  And I hate to cut you off, but we're out of time for today.
• 56:36
  And I because I could talk to you, as you know, for more and more hours.
• 56:39
  So I want to thank you for coming on the show today.
• 56:42
  I want to thank all of our listeners who've been here today or listening to us today or in the future.
• 56:46
  So have a great rest of your day.
• 56:48
  We will see you here tomorrow or the next time on the Ten Penny Files.
• 56:52
  Have a good evening, everybody.
• 56:53
  Goodbye, and God bless.