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Faith, Fame & Fighting Evil: Pastor Ben Graham’s Mission Beyond the Pulpit · None of Your Business Podcast

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  The real challenge is when you leave there just living your
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  faith and seeking God first. Not like my rabbi.
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  You're literally saying the same thing that my rabbi's been
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  talking before when you're in synagogue, when you were there.
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  Like you're you're playing the part, but what are you doing
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  when you're leaving? We we talked and he told me when
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  I was here to. Ganging up on me.
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  I have the rabbi yelling at me and the pastor?
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  Yeah, Michael, everybody's upset with me even.
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  If you're business oshi. None of your business, Michael.
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  It's the None of Your Business podcast hosted by Michael and
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  Oshi. Welcome back everybody to
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  I'm your host, Michael Greenfield joined with me is
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  I mean, it's we want to get people in the chair that are
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  filling that role and our objective.
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  And today we are certainly doing that to the very next level with
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  someone that I just started hearing about.
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  I mean, welcome to the program, Doctor Pastor Ben Graham.
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  What an honor it is to have you with us here.
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  Well, it's my pleasure. I'm glad to be here.
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  And you know, you guys did it right.
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  You started off with feeding me and so you know how to get to
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  the heart of a pastor. That's what I'm going to say
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  right there. I appreciate you saying that and
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  you tried trolling for the first time.
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  Did and it was amazing. As a matter of fact, I, I hope
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  that I can find how to get that in DC so that I can eat it.
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  It was I I actually really enjoyed it.
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  Amazing. I love that.
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  So we have this little segment that we like to do to get the
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  audience to get to know who you are real quick called Chat Chi
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  PT said. What about you?
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  So before I do that, did you ever Chat Chi PT yourself?
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  I never have. OK, we'll strap in.
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  Here it goes. So and I do this to myself
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  actually, just like 10 minutes before the guest gets here and
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  I'll be like, OK, the chat chi PT knows how I want it.
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  And I'm like, here's my guest. Just tell me a little bit about
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  him and you know, make it interesting and unique and just
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  say it in a one line punchy way. And so away we go.
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  While most teens are figuring out Snapchat, he has given his
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  life to faith at the age of 14. Wow, OK, I, I definitely want to
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  get into that. You know, I, I'm hearing the
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  word pastor. I myself am a chaplain.
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  So I understand the world of, you know, giving back to the
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  communities of and and representative of faith.
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  It took about 3 minutes into the podcast for him to throw in that
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  he's a chaplain. He's also already putting
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  himself at your level as a pastor.
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  He's making depressors. We're going to ignore that.
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  But what I was going to. Say is that it took me 40 years
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  to enter the world of saying, oh, let me help on an official
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  capacity. Really.
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  I got a badge out of it so it helps me when I get pulled over.
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  By the way, best I was chafing with Police Department and best
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  thing ever because I had my ID as well and I put it over the
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  driver's license. Probably shouldn't be professing
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  this right now, but you know, you get pulled over, you're like
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  oh, let me get my license. And they see the police ID first
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  anyhow, so it. Works.
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  Does it really work? Well, I plead the fifth.
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  I was. Going to say, what's the tactic?
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  Do you actually mention something or you just take it
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  out? No, it's on top.
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  They, the Police Department taught me that to put it on top.
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  So when you pull it out and then get your license, they see it.
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  And the, the two times it happened to me, they said, oh,
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  you're a cop. And I said, well, I'm, I, I was
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  a reserve officer. I went through the police
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  Academy in South South Carolina and I was like, you know, I am,
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  but I'm more a chap when they're like, Oh well, thought I had
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  somebody. God bless you.
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  And it worked so. Preached in all 50 States and 30
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  plus countries. Airlines call him Pastor
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  Platinum. Wow.
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  Is that right? All 50 states, All 50 states?
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  You've been to every single state and preached in each
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  state. Yeah, I've.
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  I've preached in all 50 states. I've golfed in 39, I'm trying to
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  get to all 50 and I've haunted in about 15.
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  So you know, those are the things I keep up with.
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  But. Best state that you golfed in
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  Best courts. Hawaii.
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  Hawaii, Al Tanabama, Mayor Arm, you heard it here first.
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  OK, Yeah, yeah, we have two very on the island of Hawaii golf.
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  They're big golfers. Yeah.
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  So Hawaii, that's the best place.
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  That's that's probably by far my favorite, but I have many, many
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  places I've enjoyed. What about best location of
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  hunting? Well, this is probably going to
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  get in somewhere to talk about, but it has to be Northwest
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  Missouri because when I was in my first year of college, I went
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  to seminary. I was struggling because I
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  wanted to play basketball and I had an opportunity, but I was
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  struggling with that. And I went to seminary and my
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  dad said go on this hunting trip with me and I was like I can't
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  go. And he said just go.
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  A farmer had invite him to go hunting on their property in
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  Northwest Missouri. So I went.
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  I ended up meeting the farmer's daughter.
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  She's been my wife for 27 years. So yeah.
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  So that's by far the best hunting hunting place ever.
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  Good answer, she's gonna appreciate.
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  That. That's a great story.
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  I can let her watch this one. By the way, you'll learn about
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  me on the podcast. I'm a pretty shallow person.
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  I'm working on myself. No, stop it.
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  Notice, notice how you said that you preached at 50 different
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  States and you golfed in 39. I asked right away about your
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  golfing experience, not where was the best state that you
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  preached in or what was the best outcome for this.
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  I didn't ask about that, but I'm working on myself, Pastor.
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  I'm working on myself. But she you've grown a lot over
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  the past 60 plus only. Reason I'm doing this positive
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  is I get to meet people like him, yeah.
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  I think you. Got to be the worst.
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  Place I spoke at and I could tell you a story there.
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  Let's wait, let's go. Go right into that.
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  By the way, you're talking my language when I was. 18 I was
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  speaking in a church in Texas and while I was speaking there
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  was this young couple in the back that was sticking their
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  tongue out at me the whole time, gesturing cuss words at me like
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  whispering, but I could tell what they were saying.
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  You can, you know, when somebody's saying that and my
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  brothers and I, we sang in a group, we sang there, then I
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  spoke and it was pretty distracting, you know.
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  But when IA year before that I spoke at a nursing home, I got
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  asked to come do this, maybe a Christmas service.
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  And in the middle of that, this, this elderly lady comes
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  streaking through. So that had prepared me for
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  that, that you can get through anything, you know what I mean?
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  So. She's living life, that Lady.
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  She hasn't stopped living. Good for her people.
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  Always wonder what goes on in nursing homes, right?
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  You know. She had no clue where she was
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  at, but she was. She was living life.
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  You hold a doctorate and temperament counseling, and you
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  can spot a mood swing before the coffee kicks in.
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  OK, what is temperament? Counseling I love this ChatGPT
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  temperament counseling. We, we, we do a evaluation to
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  find out what your temperaments are.
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  And then it really helps us evaluate why you struggle with
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  certain things and helps us evaluate things like, you know,
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  when my wife went through it, and she also has a degree in
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  this, you know, she learned certain things about herself
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  that, you know, we've been married for years.
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  But but now we tell people before they get married to do
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  this because going in, you understand, if, and I'll give
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  you an example of my wife. So often I'd get invited to go
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  to somebody's house, do a dinner, do something.
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  Well, we'd get there and there'd be 4050 people.
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  And she was so uncomfortable with that.
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  If I asked her, you know, like, hey, in a couple hours we're
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  going to go over here and we would go and she'd be so
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  uncomfortable because she didn't have time to prepare herself to
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  going into that kind of situation.
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  For me, I can go in anywhere, you know, I don't know anybody.
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  I'm fine. For her, it was panic to have to
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  eat in front of people and and socialize in front of people
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  that she hadn't had time to really think about it.
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  It was part of her temperament. And so when you learn these
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  things, helps you better understand how to prepare.
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  Like, you know, there's certain things.
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  I know that my wife needs time to process and there's certain
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  things that, you know, different temperaments different, you
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  know, involve different things. And so when you learn that about
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  yourself helps you understand a little more of why you react to
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  things certain ways. And, and in counseling, it was,
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  I've been counseling since I was 19 because that's when I went in
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  the full time ministry. But I really, and I learned a
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  lot of things growing up as a preacher's kid and all that.
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  You kind of learn to read people.
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  But I think that really helped me even further be able to test
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  people and verify things and then understand more how to help
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  them and help them understand why they struggle with certain
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  things. Love them.
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  Similar to chaplaincy right? Isn't that a function of what a
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  chaplain what a chaplain does? I only know about it because he
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  only mentioned it like 8000 times so I know all about
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  chaplaincy. Star of a movie?
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  Fearless Faith. Basically the Marvel crossover
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  of sermons and cinema. What is going on there?
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  I do love that. I love that.
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  That's not even the best movie I was a part of, but I'll take
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  that. It was a great movie that was
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  written by a a former cop, directed by a former LAPD
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  officer. My work in in the Police
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  Department. And I think there was two other
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  people involved in that film and it was based on actual events
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  from an officer. And I actually play a chaplain
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  in that movie. I'm a pastor in the beginning.
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  My wife gets taken hostage and that leads to me becoming a
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  chaplain. And, and it's a great, great
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  story. But I've been involved in a
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  plethora of films. My wife and I have got to star
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  in a couple movies together as the leads and more Christmas
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  Hallmark type films. But it's something I love to do.
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  I did my first movie when I was 11 and, and, you know, and just
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  kind of kind of, you know, got in my system and, and I
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  absolutely love doing that. So which one did you mention was
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  your more favorite one or that more popular one?
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  Well, I, I just, I think my favorite was the one that my
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  wife and I did recently called Christmas at Keystone.
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  The reason I love that so much is 1 her and I are the leads in
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  it. You know, it's Hallmark.
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  At the end, we kiss, you know, kind of thing.
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  It was funny when we did the scene, and I hate to give it
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  away, but I already said his hallmark.
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  So everybody knows how that goes.
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  But I at the end, I kiss. And then the director, I'll
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  never forget. He goes, you know, cut.
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  And he goes, hey, Ben, come here, let me show you something.
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  He takes me back, shows me monitor.
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  They replay it and he goes, what do you think?
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  I was like, yeah, it looks good. And he goes, what, are you
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  trying to gross this out? He's like, that's way too much.
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  Sorry. I got excited, you know, but I
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  also wrote a song called The Big Man's Coming to Town and they
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  put that in the film. And there's just a lot I got to
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  do in that film that made that kind of extra special for me in
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  that. But yeah, no, it's it's fun and
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  there's some, I'm signed to do a couple really big films coming
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  up for me. They're huge opportunities with
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  some A list actors and you know, I hopefully we'll get to do
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  those. We're trying to work it out to
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  film one at the end of next year with somebody.
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  I can't say, but he's super famous and I'm playing his
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  brother Co starring in it. So with my work I'm doing at the
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  White House, you know all that. We're hoping it works out, but
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  they've already give me the blessing to to be able to to do
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  that. So I'm loving it, yeah.
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  Wow, I'm loving it for you by the way.
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  I'm living through you right now.
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  I'm just imagining myself being able to be in a movie that's
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  like a dream come true for so many people.
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  You're speaking about it so nonchalantly, like.
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  You know what I'm thinking about that's that's blowing me away is
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  how he got excited to kiss his wife.
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  Yeah, after four kids and you know you're.
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  She's pretty hot. So no, it's 22 When I, I, I got
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  to be careful how I say this, but Corbin Bernsen, who is a
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  famous actor, he was in like Major League.
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  He was in the show's Psych and he's been in hundreds of movies.
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  He he was in the film and, and when he showed up and said, he
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  told the AD, the assistant director, he said, when I see
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  Ben, the way he looks at his wife, he goes, I see love in his
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  eyes. But you know, we've been married
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  a while, but you know still. What do you think that secret
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  is? Because ultimately, you know,
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  yeah. And all kidding aside, you know,
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  marriage for kids later, living life and working and just
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  speaking like that, this is what's catching my attention.
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  I think, you know, when you first get married, you think
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  love is probably the idea of marriage.
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  You know, you a lot of folks get to there's hurdles.
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  Year 4, year 9, I think year 9 was a tough year for us.
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  I became a senior pastor of a large ministry and there was
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  just a lot of things going through.
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  But all these were building. And you know, what happens in
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  life and anything you either get better, you get better.
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  And you know, for us, we were able to get I think better.
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  And then, you know, she's with 4C sections.
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  We lost a boy. We have 4 boys, but between our
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  second and third son, she was seven months pregnant.
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  We lost a boy. She's had 9 surgeries, you know,
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  four were C sections, but 9 surgeries.
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  Since we've been married, I've been through cancer three times.
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  I think going through those, there's a bond that that comes,
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  you know, and she had grandparents that were married,
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  I want to say I think 68 or 69 years, you know, And so the
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  great example and, you know, and our family, we were kind of
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  taught, you know, you know, divorces isn't an option.
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  So, you know, if that's true, you got one or two options.
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  You either, you know, you either work it loving each other or
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  you're miserable, you know, and you know, there's been difficult
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  days and we've been through our ups and downs like anybody and
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  every great marriage takes work. I do think not everybody can be
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  in a movie together, but I do think doing stuff that's a
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  little outside of the norm helps keep a a, a passion there.
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  Yeah. And fresh.
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  Yeah. I, I think it's interesting find
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  something like that. It might just be, you know,
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  taking up a a new sports and bowling.
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  I don't know. I saw a bowling trophy earlier.
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  I think that's what that was. You know I have no anyway a.
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  Little bit about Ushy any trophy he can pick up it'll be the.
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  I just got a trophy a couple of nights ago.
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  I won the softball tournament in my league.
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  In my league, yes, prime source. We sponsored a bowling team.
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  We won three years in a row. So that was a trophy you're
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  seeing there. Very proud of it.
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  Big shout out to myself. Yes, but I love that on this
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  topic. I I actually had a question.
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  I had one or two questions prepared and it's right on this
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  topic actually. So I think it's a perfect
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  segment. OK.
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  If I ask the question now, Michael, I know you're right in
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  the middle of your. Introduction.
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  This is the idea. This is perfect.
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  I love that. Yeah.
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  I'm actually very, very excited to learn a lot about the
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  Christian religion. And, you know, I think Jews and
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  Christians, we have a lot in common, obviously a lot of
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  shared history together. And I don't think the casual
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  Jewish person knows too much, you know, intricate details
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  about the Christian religion and vice versa.
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  We know the basics. You know, we have a basic
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  understanding. So I want to get a little
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  educated. We love to learn about it.
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  I understand that there's three different main segments in
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  Christianity, right? There's the Protestants,
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  Catholics, and I believe Eastern Orthodox, right?
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  Those are the three main ones. There's a difference between a
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  priest and a pastor, OK. And I think a priest is for all
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  those different factions, right? And then you can have a pastor.
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  And I think Protestants, I don't know if I'm saying that right.
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  Yeah, you, you are. There's such a variety in
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  Protestant. Not all Protestants have
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  priests, but there are some that do.
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  OK. So it's my understanding that a
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  priest is supposed to be celibate.
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  A priest is not supposed to get married, which is one of the
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  differences from Jews to Christians, Jews, let's say the
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  rabbis, which I believe correlates to what a, what a
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  priest is, does get married. And I think in both religions,
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  we believe that matrimony, the unity of a man and a woman is a
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  holy thing. It's a pure thing.
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  And it's something that's encouraged and it's, it's almost
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  the fundamental of, of our lives to get married, to bear children
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  and to raise children right under, you know, under God and
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  to serve God. I always wondered this.
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  I never really had an answer for this, but I always wondered, now
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  that you're here, I'd love to, you know, get educated on this.
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  If that is the case, then you'd think a priest who's at a even a
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  higher level than, you know, the, the average person getting
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  married setting that example would be something that even
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  they would do. Why is it that in the religion
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  priests do not get married? So this is where I'll give you a
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  little history. This is where Catholics would
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  disagree with us. But let's start back.
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  You know, you know, God created Adam and Eve said be fruit, be
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  fruitful and multiply. And then when God created the
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  priesthood, you know, we, we read even they had sons, you
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  know, they were married. And you, you go through all the
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  Old Testament, all the religious rulers, leaders, you know, they,
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  they were married, they had children going in.
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  Then you start seeing in in the early church, you see the the
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  leaders there, most of them were married.
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  The only one that we're unsure of was Paul.
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  But Paul at one time was a Sanhedrin.
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  So therefore he must have been married because that was a
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  requirement. We don't know if when he started
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  following Christ, if maybe his wife left them, which you know,
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  very much could have happened. We don't, we don't know.
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  Scripture doesn't say, but we see they were all married.
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  This is where us in the Catholic Church disagrees.
• 18:09
  Several 100 years in, in the three hundreds is when the
• 18:12
  Catholic Church was created. Years later, the Catholic
• 18:16
  Church, they get together and they make decisions on what they
• 18:19
  believe should be practiced. Somewhere along the way they
• 18:21
  said, you know, the Catholic Church is, is, you know, priests
• 18:24
  are not going to get married. But in Scripture it says that
• 18:28
  the Bishop, and that's actually what they call pastor, a Bishop.
• 18:32
  The requirements is he's to be the husband of one wife.
• 18:34
  So Scripture tells us we are to be married.
• 18:37
  Now, does that mean that somebody could be a pastor and,
• 18:41
  and, and not be married? I, I don't think it's so
• 18:44
  dogmatic that it's saying you have to be, but I think it's,
• 18:47
  there is a precedent that, you know, God is OK with you being
• 18:51
  married because the pastor is really an example of, of what
• 18:56
  the faith should be. And how do you live that out?
• 18:59
  How are you an example if you don't have a wife?
• 19:01
  How do you live that if you don't have a family?
• 19:03
  And we believe Jesus, you know, came for the bride of Christ and
• 19:08
  the Bible teachers of the church is the bride of Christ.
• 19:10
  And the Bible teachers were to love our wives as he loved the
• 19:14
  church and gave himself forward. And so there's this just this
• 19:17
  clear teaching of example of how husband should love his wife and
• 19:20
  that I think goes with that. And so that's where we would
• 19:23
  disagree with the Catholic Church.
• 19:26
  You know, Louis Schwartz, who you know, he, he's my, my new
• 19:30
  hero. I love him.
• 19:33
  And I better get that check after I say all this and I'm
• 19:35
  just getting I no, I'm joking. I love him.
• 19:37
  He's such a blessing. But we had these conversations
• 19:40
  today because, you know, they call a a priest father.
• 19:43
  And there's a scripture in New Testament says call the man
• 19:45
  father, but your heavenly father.
• 19:47
  And it's not saying I can't call my dad father.
• 19:50
  But there's a spiritual in, if you look at it in the Hebrew,
• 19:53
  there's a spiritual meaning of, you know, that reverence of
• 19:56
  Father is only to the heavenly Father.
• 19:59
  You know, no man gets that reverence.
• 20:02
  And in essence, a lot of people feel that the priest is trying
• 20:06
  to take some of that reverence. And, you know, we honor a rabbi,
• 20:10
  we honor a a pastor, you know, we, they call him reverend
• 20:14
  because there's a reverence. But at the end of the day,
• 20:17
  there's still people, yeah, who are flawed.
• 20:20
  And we know, we know rabbis who have messed up.
• 20:23
  We know pastors who have messed up, who've fallen into sin.
• 20:27
  And that's why ultimately our eyes must stay fixed on God.
• 20:30
  He is our ultimate, you know, because, you know, people can
• 20:34
  let us down. And so I think that's where we
• 20:36
  disagree a little bit. But Christianity certainly, you
• 20:40
  know, I know when I first started going to Israel and my
• 20:42
  family's been going since probably maybe late 60s, early
• 20:46
  70s. I'm not for sure when my
• 20:48
  grandfather started going. But, you know, there was this
• 20:52
  real hesitancy because certain Christianity persecuted the
• 20:56
  Jewish people, but it wasn't the Christianity that we come from.
• 20:59
  And there was some, you know, and, you know, we really wanted
• 21:03
  to let the people know. And I remember when I first
• 21:05
  started going to Israel and sometimes having those
• 21:06
  conversations and people are still a little hesitant.
• 21:09
  But I mean, there's a there's now it's growing people
• 21:12
  understanding that the, the Christian faith that we come
• 21:15
  from very much stands with Israel.
• 21:18
  Our, our, our buddy Charlie Kirk was a big fan of Israel, you
• 21:22
  know, and there are some Christians who, you know, really
• 21:26
  debate this, but we very much stand with the nation of Israel.
• 21:29
  We believe it's God's chosen people.
• 21:31
  God says, I'll bless those that bless Israel.
• 21:33
  And, you know, and that's one thing we stand for.
• 21:35
  And then we as Americans believe that God says, I'll bless the
• 21:39
  nation, that that blesses God and puts God first.
• 21:41
  And so, you know, that's what we strive for.
• 21:45
  And, and that's where we can come together, whether it's
• 21:48
  Catholic, you know, Vice President Vance talked about him
• 21:51
  and Charlie having some debates because, you know, Charlie was
• 21:55
  Protestant and, and, and Vance is Catholic.
• 21:59
  But we can get together and we can, we can disagree on some
• 22:02
  things and yet still, one, be civil.
• 22:06
  But then two, we can, we can talk about this and, and try to
• 22:08
  understand why. And I think that's so important.
• 22:11
  And, you know, this was this is what if you look in all society,
• 22:17
  this is always why people have been martyred because there
• 22:21
  there was leaders that were threatened by the thought of
• 22:25
  having conversation. You know, if we talk to them and
• 22:29
  people start believing, you know, we're going to lose what
• 22:31
  we have. And so, you know, most of the
• 22:33
  time as well, we just got to get rid of them.
• 22:35
  And but, but you'll find that that's, you know, a detriment to
• 22:41
  our society. You know, you mentioned Louis
• 22:43
  Schwartz. I'm not surprised that you had a
• 22:46
  very deep intellectual conversation already with him.
• 22:49
  He's probably one of the more cultural people that I know and
• 22:51
  has a vast knowledge and a wide range of things.
• 22:55
  You'll be surprised what else you know, he he knows.
• 22:57
  I always like engaging with him in these types of conversations.
• 22:59
  So you mentioned him. I had to had to say that.
• 23:02
  And you also mentioned Charlie Kirk, who recently was tragic,
• 23:06
  this event felt by millions of people around the world, not
• 23:10
  just in this country to kind of impact Michael that he had was
• 23:14
  just and young people especially, but on anybody.
• 23:18
  I just want to say my own sentiments, if I may, just for a
• 23:20
  moment about Charlie is a lot of people looked at him as someone
• 23:25
  who was able to take an argument or take a disagreement and
• 23:29
  unpack it and break it down in a way that was so articulate that
• 23:33
  so logical and and he made a lot of sense.
• 23:35
  And as if his function was to speak to the other side, people
• 23:40
  that disagree with him and to try to get them to see the ways
• 23:43
  that perhaps they can find common ground.
• 23:45
  Like that was how a lot of people viewed him.
• 23:47
  I viewed him and I think other people maybe share my sentiment
• 23:50
  is not even for the other side. It was for even people on the
• 23:54
  right for the conservatives, even where sometimes we
• 23:57
  struggle, we struggle as well with a lot of the things going
• 24:00
  on in the world and we struggle with a lot of the different
• 24:03
  ideas. And it was reinforcement for us.
• 24:06
  And I think that that is the biggest thing that we're all
• 24:11
  losing out on is on, you know, we're looking at who's going to
• 24:14
  be that voice of reason in the future.
• 24:17
  You know, who's going to take that?
• 24:18
  Because he filled that role immaculately.
• 24:21
  He filled it in in such a regal way.
• 24:24
  He filled it. And it's such a young age too,
• 24:26
  the amounts that he accomplished in such a short period of time.
• 24:29
  What I'm wondering is, Oh my God, what more could he have
• 24:31
  accomplished in the next 30 years?
• 24:33
  He did this all in about 10-11 years.
• 24:35
  He did this from the age of 19 till the when he came onto the
• 24:38
  scene and died at such a young age of 31.
• 24:41
  Give this man another, he could have taken over the world.
• 24:44
  And and it's not Even so much about, you know, there was so
• 24:47
  many people out there that are, you know, that need to, you
• 24:49
  know, hear logic and reason. It's for us, for the people that
• 24:53
  are under that are also. So everybody could have
• 24:55
  benefited from this. And to me, that is the biggest,
• 24:57
  you know, lost the kind of indelible mark that he left on
• 25:01
  this world and the accomplishments.
• 25:02
  I mean, anybody that knew him that even was in his
• 25:04
  stratosphere, that was in his orbit was lucky to even have a
• 25:08
  little piece of that in the short period of time that that
• 25:11
  he was on this world. So he'll be greatly, greatly
• 25:14
  missed, but not forgotten. And his word will, will, will
• 25:17
  carry on. And and he sent the message
• 25:19
  powerful enough that it will live on forever.
• 25:24
  Amen. He he was brilliant and could
• 25:26
  articulate well and you know, I think we were actually going to
• 25:31
  be together here in a few days and I was looking forward to
• 25:35
  that. I've been with them, I've, I've
• 25:39
  spoke at some of the turning point events and, you know,
• 25:42
  greatly missed. And I know our, the
• 25:45
  administration, I don't even know if we talked about this,
• 25:47
  but I, I, I work on the faith team at the administration.
• 25:50
  And, and, you know, President Trump thought highly of a matter
• 25:53
  of fact, I think he was very instrumental in helping
• 25:55
  President Trump get elected, especially with the, the, the
• 25:59
  younger votes. And, you know, and, and he'll be
• 26:02
  greatly missed. And I think it's, you know, it's
• 26:04
  one of those where, you know, what I pray comes out of this is
• 26:08
  that many will arise, you know, and maybe not just one voice,
• 26:12
  but many voices will arise and be emboldened.
• 26:15
  And so I'm thankful for that. And, and, you know, because of
• 26:19
  that, it's, it's brought a lot of prayer and contemplation in,
• 26:24
  in my life and in others. And I'm very thankful for that.
• 26:28
  You know, it's funny, you know, in life, you talked about awards
• 26:31
  earlier. I was, and this isn't even
• 26:35
  public knowledge, but about a week ago, I was in the hospital.
• 26:38
  Ended up, I had to go to the ER and I was there for a couple
• 26:40
  days and I was supposed to be given an award.
• 26:44
  And then I got asked to be in Canton, OH on Monday to get an
• 26:48
  award from the NFL alumni for my work on fighting human
• 26:51
  trafficking. And it didn't look like I was
• 26:54
  going to be there. And I was kind of bummed.
• 26:55
  And I'm I'm just sitting there and, you know, I'm seeing all
• 26:58
  these people that are thriving and I'm sitting here in the
• 27:00
  hospital kind of mad. And and this well known sports
• 27:03
  figure comes on. He goes, everybody wants awards.
• 27:06
  He goes, man gives awards, God gives the rewards.
• 27:08
  He said, let's go after the rewards.
• 27:10
  Now I am going Monday. I actually do get to get this.
• 27:14
  I'm excited. Mike Singletary, who played for
• 27:16
  the Bears, my favorite team, is the one giving me the award.
• 27:19
  On that. But the reality is, is, you
• 27:21
  know, I think often times we live this life for the
• 27:25
  temporary. And with Charlie, I think he
• 27:28
  captured and caught something that a lot of people struggle
• 27:30
  with, But he lived for the eternal, you know, and, and, and
• 27:34
  when you live that way, it gives you a boldness.
• 27:38
  He wasn't ugly about it. He wasn't unkind about it, but
• 27:41
  he never backed down. And that's why he could go have
• 27:43
  an interview with Gavin Newsom, who most people, if they said,
• 27:47
  hey, you want to interview, I'm not talking to Gavin Newsom.
• 27:49
  That's most people. That I watched the whole thing.
• 27:51
  But he did. He went on there.
• 27:52
  It was amazing. While he was friendly, while
• 27:54
  they had a great debate, he never changed who he was.
• 27:57
  You know, Charlie didn't, but and that's what I loved about
• 28:00
  him. And I think if we could all get
• 28:02
  to a place where we, we know who we are and, and, and we're truly
• 28:07
  grounded in our faith. We know who we are and God, you
• 28:10
  know, we can conquer a lot and it gives us a boldness.
• 28:14
  And you know, I think, you know, this, this Assassin's bullet.
• 28:20
  I, I, I, I think he, he thought he was going to stop this
• 28:24
  movement, but I think it's, it's going to do the exact opposite.
• 28:27
  He added fuel to the fire. He inflamed this moment.
• 28:31
  It's going to be bigger than ever.
• 28:33
  He thought he's going to silence him with a bullet.
• 28:35
  He actually just magnified this in one of the one of the biggest
• 28:39
  ways. It's a shame that it had to come
• 28:40
  at this cost and at a sacrifice of this young man who made such
• 28:43
  an impression. But the movement will, will,
• 28:46
  will live on. There's no question about it,
• 28:47
  Pastor. Is that what?
• 28:49
  Can I call you that? Yeah, yeah.
• 28:51
  Call me Ben. I'm OK with that.
• 28:53
  OK. Actually, Benjamin David.
• 28:55
  Benjamin David. OK name, right?
• 28:56
  I like Pastor. I think, you know, that's a it's
• 28:58
  a befitting title. You know, I think you've earned
• 29:00
  it. You know, you spoke at all 50
• 29:01
  states. Do you find the youth today is
• 29:06
  being drawn more towards the religious aspects as far as
• 29:11
  traditions, family values, things like that?
• 29:14
  Or do you find that, you know, the, it's a struggle and, and
• 29:17
  we, we have an uphill battle that, you know, we're, we're not
• 29:21
  necessarily winning right now. And it's going in the other
• 29:23
  direction from from your perspective, from what you're
• 29:26
  seeing out there in the world where, where is that trending?
• 29:29
  So about 10 years ago, people started realizing I got to get
• 29:33
  my kids, kids out of especially four or five years ago during
• 29:36
  COVID, I got to get my kids out of public education.
• 29:40
  That was a good move because our kids are being indoctrinated in
• 29:44
  most public education. There's just no doubt about it.
• 29:47
  Not all public schools are bad. Not all public teachers are bad,
• 29:50
  but there is an indoctrination going on.
• 29:52
  Started bringing them out universities, same thing that
• 29:55
  we've been dealing with this forever.
• 29:56
  There is a, a liberal woke mindset that's there.
• 30:01
  Well, what's happening now is we're seeing a movement,
• 30:05
  especially amongst young men that they are turning back to
• 30:09
  religion. They're turning back to a more
• 30:14
  traditional religion. But but not like 50 years ago,
• 30:16
  40 years ago, people went to church and maybe they heard the
• 30:19
  pastor speak and they just took that as truth.
• 30:23
  Now they're like, show me, I need to see it.
• 30:25
  Let me see from scripture. Let me see.
• 30:28
  People want to know, is this really true?
• 30:29
  You know, with ChatGPT, with Google, they can type it up and
• 30:33
  look and see, you know, tons of things on it.
• 30:37
  But there is a growing and the reason is, is because for so
• 30:39
  long young men have, I mean, Hollywood's been doing it.
• 30:42
  Disney's been doing it. They've been, they've been taken
• 30:45
  away this understanding of, of what a, a man should be.
• 30:50
  And these young men are looking for something that's real.
• 30:52
  They're looking for something that's legit.
• 30:54
  And thankfully they're finding it in religion, they're finding
• 30:57
  it in faith. And so there is, it is growing,
• 30:59
  but there's still a lot of people who are still into the
• 31:03
  woke ideology. They're, they're still the
• 31:05
  universities. And, you know, even with this
• 31:07
  Charlie thing, there's been quite a few professors and
• 31:10
  different ones that were fired because they were praising the
• 31:13
  fact that he was martyred. And, and I'm glad that some
• 31:16
  universities are stepping up and saying they're, you know, no
• 31:19
  place for that here, whether you agree or don't agree, you know,
• 31:22
  you can't celebrate the death of somebody being assassinated.
• 31:25
  So, you know, I, I, I think we're seeing a little shift.
• 31:29
  We need a lot more of it, but we're seeing a little shift.
• 31:31
  And I'm seeing a lot more young people who are looking at
• 31:36
  conservative moral values and saying I want more of that.
• 31:40
  And that's very encouraging. Yeah.
• 31:42
  Yeah, I must continue this because there's a couple of
• 31:44
  points here that like, you know, I'm reading here and I'm like,
• 31:47
  wow, this must be I. Actually want to know what it
• 31:49
  says 'cause I'm laughing at. No, but you know, also you know,
• 31:53
  you're asking great questions. Is she and you're?
• 31:56
  Answering, I got lots more. I got lots.
• 31:57
  More you're answering great. But you know, I think what the
• 32:00
  world needs to hear is the credibility of where the answers
• 32:02
  are coming from. And that's what I'm about to get
• 32:03
  to, which is the meat and potatoes of the ChatGPT, pun
• 32:07
  intended, for the challenge. By the way, newly crowned faith
• 32:11
  director for the Trump administration, America's
• 32:14
  official hotline to heaven, now has a direct extension.
• 32:19
  Hotline to heaven. Hotline to heaven.
• 32:21
  I mean, to me, this is like you. You were speaking about Louis
• 32:24
  Schwartz, by the way, Rabbi Louis Schwartz to us is known as
• 32:28
  just simply laser. He's just our laser guy.
• 32:30
  Can I just say too, if you want, if you want to grow in your
• 32:33
  faith, let laser drive you, maybe.
• 32:38
  I'm sorry. By the way, we need to end this
• 32:40
  podcast right now. That's a great that is how we
• 32:42
  drop the mic. He only went one time with him
• 32:45
  for three minutes and he already know.
• 32:47
  I said a Christian prayer, a Jewish prayer, a Catholic
• 32:49
  prayer. I did them all.
• 32:51
  Every insurance company has a bulletin board with a big face
• 32:55
  on it and they throw darts at it all the time.
• 32:57
  His face is on it. So I want to mention a big thank
• 32:59
  you and a shout out to our friend Laser, who literally
• 33:02
  brought you here. He didn't just recommend you
• 33:04
  here, he physically brought you here.
• 33:05
  He's the best. And so we really, I really
• 33:08
  appreciate that. And I know that on the way here,
• 33:10
  you stop by Yeshiva of Spring Valley and you know, I want to
• 33:13
  hear about that experience really quickly.
• 33:15
  But before I get into that, what happened here?
• 33:17
  What's going on I mean? Trump administration What is?
• 33:20
  Yeah, what? What?
• 33:21
  Tell us about that. So in the last go around we had
• 33:25
  some faith directors, but not in an official capacity.
• 33:31
  This time he decided to put the faith office in The West Wing
• 33:35
  and then put faith directors in every department.
• 33:37
  And it's been amazing. We've got an amazing Jewish
• 33:42
  director, Martin, who's just doing a phenomenal job.
• 33:47
  And the goal was under the Biden administration and under even
• 33:51
  Obama administration, a lot of religious organizations were
• 33:54
  being targeted by the IRS. They were being targeted by the
• 33:58
  administration. He wanted to make sure that
• 34:00
  every department had somebody in there working directly with the
• 34:03
  secretaries, making sure that religious organizations were not
• 34:06
  being discriminated. And that's for all faiths.
• 34:09
  And we actually have a a Commission who is outlining
• 34:13
  every religious discrimination done by the previous
• 34:16
  administration. I mean, it's massive.
• 34:18
  It's massive workers, federal workers to, you know, you know,
• 34:24
  many Jewish incidents that are public, some that aren't.
• 34:26
  I mean, it's unbelievable. So he was very bold in that.
• 34:30
  I've known the Trump's for a while.
• 34:31
  I was a liaison and the last go around I didn't take a position
• 34:34
  because I didn't want to. I was pastoring and everything
• 34:36
  else and doing the film company and, but I was there almost
• 34:40
  every week for 2 1/2 years, stayed busy this go around.
• 34:43
  I was working with Eric Trump and just talked to him about
• 34:46
  some faith stuff and we were trying to work on some things.
• 34:49
  And I, I said, I look, I don't want to be there.
• 34:52
  I just I want to help. I have a my son and
• 34:55
  daughter-in-law, granddaughter live 1520 minutes from us.
• 34:57
  You know, I don't want to be in DC.
• 34:58
  And now we have 2 granddaughters, but you know, I
• 35:00
  don't want to be in DC. But then election night they
• 35:03
  invited us there. We went.
• 35:04
  My wife said look, I know you said you want to go there, but
• 35:08
  if you feel God's leading you, I'm OK with it.
• 35:10
  And I was like, you were my excuse not to go, you know, And
• 35:14
  I said, OK, So I said yes, they sent me the plum book.
• 35:17
  That's the 4000 jobs a president has to fill.
• 35:20
  Actually, they sent me the old one.
• 35:21
  They said we have the new one in two weeks.
• 35:22
  So I get the plum book. They're like the president said,
• 35:24
  what do you want to do? Plum book?
• 35:26
  That's what they call it. And he said, what do you want to
• 35:27
  do? And so I'm looking through
• 35:30
  there. I see CIA.
• 35:31
  I'm like badging gun. That sounds fun, you know.
• 35:34
  So I talked to him. I'm like, now look, if it comes
• 35:37
  to secrets and torture, you don't want me to know anything
• 35:39
  because if they torture me, I'll give up everything, you know?
• 35:41
  And but I said, you know, I really want to do something in
• 35:44
  faith. If we're going to fix our
• 35:45
  nation, we've got to return to God.
• 35:47
  That's what's going to bring greatness.
• 35:49
  So we went through a lot of things.
• 35:50
  They talked about the Religious Liberty Commission, which we
• 35:52
  just did Monday. I was there, Lewis was there
• 35:56
  with us, you know, I, I, I'm praying about it.
• 35:58
  I'm like, you know, just want to do that.
• 36:00
  And they couple times Sergio who is over the transition team said
• 36:04
  what about this? And he had another guy who was
• 36:06
  helping me and they said, what about this?
• 36:07
  And I said, look, I'm not doing this for a career.
• 36:09
  I don't plan on being in DC after this administration.
• 36:12
  I just want to try to fix our nation.
• 36:14
  I want to do faith. And so they finally said, you
• 36:16
  know, what about this position and brought me on and I'm
• 36:19
  actually involved in about 3 different things.
• 36:21
  But you know, one of the things they knew is I love, I love
• 36:24
  speaking, I love travelling, I love doing media.
• 36:27
  And so they put me in this position to be able to do this.
• 36:30
  And it's been amazing. So, you know, going to the
• 36:33
  school today, going by there and, and on behalf of the
• 36:36
  president, letting them know that this president stands with
• 36:40
  the Jewish people. We are proud of, of, of this
• 36:44
  school and the fact that they're raising up sharp young people
• 36:51
  who are a benefit to society, people with a great education
• 36:55
  and just be able to share that with them.
• 36:57
  And it was, it was beautiful to be there.
• 36:58
  And, and, you know, from going and seeing kids who are in the
• 37:05
  main classrooms to kids who are in special learning classrooms
• 37:08
  that get more of a one-on-one to being in the gymnasium and
• 37:12
  getting to shoot A and make a three pointer.
• 37:14
  You know, I'll tell you what I heard about that.
• 37:15
  All of it was, it was fun. And, you know, I'm just, I am
• 37:21
  grateful that we have a president that understands that
• 37:24
  our America was found upon Christian Judeo values.
• 37:28
  And, you know, we have to return to those roots.
• 37:30
  And most people don't know this, but there was a pastor in
• 37:33
  Revolutionary War time who got up and he preached out of
• 37:37
  Ecclesiastes, says there's time to live, time to die because
• 37:39
  there's time for war. He said that time has come.
• 37:41
  He took off his black robe, grabbed his musket, walked out
• 37:44
  and his men followed him and they started fighting in the
• 37:46
  Revolutionary War. His brother, who was a
• 37:50
  clergyman, wrote him a letter. His name, this guy's name is
• 37:53
  Frederick Muhlenberg. And he wrote him a letter and he
• 37:55
  said, how dare you, being a man of the cloth, engage in this
• 37:58
  war. Well, six months later, his
• 38:00
  house was burnt down, his church was burnt down, his family
• 38:03
  almost got killed. And he realized being neutral
• 38:06
  didn't work. You, you either have to be
• 38:08
  involved or, or, or you know, you're involved in one side or
• 38:11
  the other. It's, it's kind of like
• 38:12
  Scripture says, no man can serve 2 masters.
• 38:14
  You're either going to serve God or you're going to serve the the
• 38:16
  devil. So this guy gets involved and he
• 38:19
  would become the first speaker of the House.
• 38:22
  So the first speaker of the House was a pastor, was a
• 38:24
  clergyman. And I wrote a book last year
• 38:27
  called Ignorance and Apathy, 2 of America's Deadliest Sins.
• 38:30
  One of my close friends from New York, he was a professor, helped
• 38:34
  me and we, we put this book together because, you know,
• 38:38
  there's a time where people need to wake up.
• 38:39
  Most people are either they're ignorant to what's going on or
• 38:42
  they're apathetic. And the Bible says that God's
• 38:45
  people, they, they perish for lack of knowledge.
• 38:48
  And Old Testament Scripture teaches they this.
• 38:51
  And it's important that we understand that, you know, just
• 38:57
  because we're ignorant isn't a proper excuse.
• 39:01
  You know, especially today. We, we, we can get any
• 39:03
  information we want, but most people just, they're apathetic
• 39:06
  and they just don't care. And so trying to wake up people.
• 39:09
  And our president understands that.
• 39:10
  So that's been his mission, his goal, and I'm proud to be a part
• 39:14
  of it. Well, I must mention a big thank
• 39:16
  you to President Trump and the Trump administration on behalf
• 39:19
  of all the Jewish people and all the listeners and all the faiths
• 39:22
  are appointing someone so proper in this position and having this
• 39:27
  position and some someone to represent the faiths, it's
• 39:30
  amazing and it's just a great pick, you know.
• 39:33
  Well, I appreciate it and and we're blessed.
• 39:35
  We have multiple people, you know, we have multiple people in
• 39:40
  the White House leading the faith in every department.
• 39:42
  I mean, it's just, it's incredible.
• 39:44
  And what what else is really neat is, is that the president
• 39:47
  has emboldened all of the secretaries, everybody.
• 39:51
  There is nobody walking around any of the departments that are
• 39:56
  afraid or ashamed to talk about faith.
• 39:59
  Doesn't matter if they're Jewish.
• 40:00
  Doesn't matter if they're Christian.
• 40:02
  Whatever they are, they're, they're willing to talk about
• 40:04
  it. Orthodox.
• 40:06
  I mean, they're, it's just different attitude.
• 40:08
  Even the president recently come out and, and did an executive
• 40:10
  order saying you're allowed to talk about your faith and you
• 40:13
  can convince people why yours is the right one, You know, but
• 40:15
  what he was saying was this, quit walking on egg shells.
• 40:19
  Faith is, I mean, I, I know this is for you guys.
• 40:22
  Your religion is very important to you.
• 40:24
  It's very important to me. Why do I have to put it on the
• 40:26
  shelf when I go to work? Why do I have to put it on the
• 40:29
  shelf when I'm involved in something like government that
• 40:32
  literally the that changes life for everybody.
• 40:36
  We ought to be able to bring that in there with those ideas.
• 40:38
  And so I'm grateful we can do that.
• 40:40
  Yeah, there's so much synergy not just between Christians and
• 40:43
  Jews, but so many other religions as well, that it's a
• 40:46
  universal thing. Life just seems better.
• 40:49
  It's it's more of a quality of life when you have those
• 40:52
  religious fundamentals. And I'm not talking about people
• 40:54
  that are devout and very pious and and we all have work to do
• 40:58
  and and we're all trying to be better today than we were
• 41:00
  yesterday, but to be totally, like you said, ignorant and
• 41:03
  apathetic. And just like it's by design,
• 41:05
  it's it's really inexcusable. And it's not like that
• 41:09
  translates into, you know, I'm going to have a better outcome
• 41:12
  and I'm going to be happier for it.
• 41:14
  The day that shows that in the at the end, you're not.
• 41:17
  And we all know the line. There's no such thing as an
• 41:19
  atheist in a foxhole. We all know that.
• 41:21
  Why? Why is that?
• 41:22
  Because when things are going wrong, you only have really one
• 41:25
  place to to look up that you know you need the help, right?
• 41:27
  So it's a it's a shame that sometimes has to get to that
• 41:30
  point to open your eyes and to realize, you know what, there's
• 41:34
  got to be more to life than just, you know, all the
• 41:36
  materialistic things and everything else that we're
• 41:39
  chasing after. And we realize that that's not
• 41:41
  going to make us fulfilled. We're still going to feel empty.
• 41:44
  It's, you know, and to I think that is where there's a lot of
• 41:47
  more awareness coming where I am seeing in different religions,
• 41:50
  people are combining the the their country with the religion
• 41:55
  and bringing those two things together.
• 41:57
  I think there's so much to both of those that makes you better
• 42:01
  for it. And I think Trump is doing a
• 42:02
  phenomenal job and that effect that he has you in this position
• 42:05
  and that he just elaborated on this department and he's putting
• 42:09
  a lot of stock in it and he's investing in this shows that he
• 42:13
  knows what he's doing. I mean, he doesn't need my
• 42:15
  confirmation. I mean, we we all see it.
• 42:17
  And he's been a staunch supporter of Israel.
• 42:19
  He really has been the best by far from any president in
• 42:23
  history. I mean, ask Trump, he'll tell
• 42:24
  you the best by far more than any president in history.
• 42:28
  But he's right. At the end of the day, actions
• 42:31
  is what matters and you can't deny that.
• 42:33
  And if you look at what he's done, not just what he's said,
• 42:35
  but what he's done, he's proving that over and over and over
• 42:37
  again. I think because you look at past
• 42:39
  politicians, they said a lot, but they didn't, do they?
• 42:41
  Didn't do much exactly. And he really he came.
• 42:43
  Through I, you know, I'm in Israel a lot and there is a
• 42:47
  great appreciation. And I mean, let's just be
• 42:50
  honest, majority of, of, of Jews, especially a lot of folks
• 42:56
  in Israel tend to lean more towards Democrat side.
• 43:00
  Trump came in and delivered and it's changed our perspective.
• 43:04
  And I would say honestly, probably, you know,
• 43:08
  unfortunately, I don't know why we, Lewis and I talked about
• 43:10
  this a little bit today, but historically people, especially
• 43:15
  in Israel, Bobby Bondo, would learn more towards the Democrat
• 43:19
  side. Even here, even in the States.
• 43:21
  However, and here however, I would say they've had more
• 43:24
  support from the Republican side.
• 43:25
  Sure, I mean. And certainly now.
• 43:27
  The left side has gotten a little bit more extreme over the
• 43:31
  years, right. They used the, the, the moderate
• 43:34
  Democratic Party was a, a, a force to be reckoned with, you
• 43:37
  know, and even on the right side, you know, I, I don't like
• 43:41
  extremists on either side, but it's become way too extreme on
• 43:44
  the left side. And you just can't be a part of
• 43:47
  that anymore. The the ideology that's coming
• 43:50
  out of that side, the extremists is just it's it's out of
• 43:54
  control, man. It's so out of control.
• 43:56
  It's crazy that you just you can't support it anymore and and
• 43:59
  there's no remnants left of it anyway.
• 44:01
  And especially what's going on in New York City now with with
• 44:03
  Mamdani, we're leveling up now again, that's just getting a
• 44:06
  little bit more. So you think yesterday was
• 44:08
  crazy. Let me show you what's going to
• 44:09
  happen tomorrow. It's a scare we.
• 44:12
  Get, we get one victory and then we, we have something else to
• 44:15
  face. And it's like right now, you
• 44:17
  know, Chicago, these other, they like DC could really get turned
• 44:22
  around. And most of the people want
• 44:23
  that. So I hope the people will, you
• 44:25
  know, through their voting will change things.
• 44:29
  I, I mean, I, you know, I have no proof of this is my own
• 44:33
  opinion, but who knows if they're getting an honest
• 44:35
  election there anyway, you know, but I think we're going to
• 44:38
  continue to see in places like that more and more people rise
• 44:41
  up and say we, we got to do something because they're not
• 44:45
  for the violence that's going on.
• 44:46
  By the way, he's put that paper up twice.
• 44:47
  I hope we haven't made him mad. Not at all.
• 44:51
  I was just gonna say. If you know Michael, Michael
• 44:53
  doesn't get mad by the way, It's one of my problems.
• 44:55
  I try to get a rise out of him sometimes and it just though
• 44:58
  he's the most patient person that I know.
• 45:00
  It's super annoying. You know, I'm full of emotions.
• 45:02
  Like I get really mad and I get, you know, a lot of highs, a lot
• 45:05
  of lows. He's just even keeled and even
• 45:08
  temperament the whole time. Little secret I worked on
• 45:10
  myself, but you know I. That was a zinger, by the way.
• 45:14
  I'll take it. There is a couple, you know,
• 45:16
  first of all, I just want to say we're so proud and happy to have
• 45:19
  you on our side on this mission of our life that we're going to
• 45:22
  be heading towards. And I didn't even finish with
• 45:26
  what I what I have to say about you, which is like, I'm dying to
• 45:28
  get to it because there's like a couple more things like what
• 45:30
  you're an author, an actor, it like, you know, faith director.
• 45:35
  It's just amazing. And I want to get to it, but
• 45:37
  we're talking about things and I'm just thinking to myself, you
• 45:40
  mentioned that, you know, you're you're going to serve this
• 45:41
  administration and you know, you hope to do a lot.
• 45:44
  What? What do you hope to be
• 45:45
  remembered by? Well, I mean, the most important
• 45:50
  thing is, you know, you know, good husband, good father, good
• 45:54
  grandfather. I think, you know, years ago I
• 45:59
  was, I did this sermon out of Psalms 78.
• 46:04
  You know, the, the nation of Israel was good at forgetting,
• 46:09
  you know, at times and, and the, the Bible says in it says, I
• 46:15
  believe it's in Judges too, but it says, you know, there arose
• 46:17
  another generation that knew not God or the works that he had
• 46:20
  done. They'd failed to teach the next
• 46:23
  generation the truths of God, the deliverance and all that.
• 46:26
  And you know, Israel had their it's like a roller coaster up
• 46:30
  and down. You know, one king followed God
• 46:32
  and observed God and the next king, you know, he sort of
• 46:35
  followed God, but, you know, allowed other Pagan worship to
• 46:39
  come in. And then this one was fully
• 46:40
  Pagan. And, you know, it was just this
• 46:41
  up and down. And I preached this message on
• 46:44
  the generation to come and talk about this.
• 46:47
  And my, my great grandfather, he was known, he lived during the
• 46:51
  days of depression. He was known as a guy who taught
• 46:53
  his family the importance of hard work, not just physically,
• 46:57
  but working hard for God, doing great things for God.
• 47:00
  My grandfather was known as a, a man who really taught the
• 47:03
  importance of prayer, taught people how to pray and why to
• 47:06
  pray. And, and that's what he's known
• 47:08
  for. My dad really still does
• 47:11
  preaches all over the country, but really did a lot on the
• 47:13
  family. And I'm the oldest of eight
• 47:15
  children. And you know, he just, he, he
• 47:19
  really did a lot teaching about that and the importance of, of
• 47:21
  putting God first in your family.
• 47:24
  And I always said, if I was known for anything, I just want
• 47:26
  to be known as the guy that did all he could to help reach the
• 47:28
  next generation. And I think in my position, I'm
• 47:31
  really trying to secure for the next generation of freedom that
• 47:36
  I knew when I was younger that we started seeing taken away
• 47:40
  over the last, you know, really 25 years, especially the last
• 47:43
  5-10 years. I, I want them to be able to
• 47:46
  experience that. I want them to know just how
• 47:48
  great this nation is. I've, I've travelled now to
• 47:51
  probably closer to 4550 countries.
• 47:54
  And you know, I, I went to Russia in 92 right after the
• 47:59
  Iron Curtain fell. My dad had already been there
• 48:01
  once a year. I went back with him and I
• 48:02
  remember going into the schools and, and kids just walking up
• 48:06
  and touching me. And I was 12, almost 13 at the
• 48:08
  time. And they would touch me just
• 48:09
  like, because I was from America.
• 48:11
  And I remember we gave out Bibles and we would give them
• 48:14
  out at midnight from our, from our H1 day.
• 48:18
  We were giving out Bibles. We give a Bible to the lady that
• 48:20
  was 93 years of age. And she said, I saw the Bible
• 48:24
  for the first time when I was 7. And she said I've been praying
• 48:27
  every day since I was 7 that I could have my own Bible because
• 48:30
  in Russia you couldn't. You couldn't have your own
• 48:32
  Bible. It wasn't allowed.
• 48:33
  The communists weren't allowed. They determine what you believed
• 48:36
  religion. And she this, she was telling us
• 48:38
  through an interpreter and she grabbed that Bible and she
• 48:41
  kissed it in a broken English. She said these words.
• 48:43
  She said God Bless America. And I.
• 48:45
  Remember as a kid, the impact that made like, like, we're so
• 48:48
  blessed to live in this country. We don't appreciate it.
• 48:50
  And the Bible says, to whom much is given, much is required.
• 48:53
  We have a responsibility now. I, I like President Trump, I
• 48:57
  believe we ought to be, I believe we ought to be careful
• 49:01
  of what we spend our money on. I, I think we ought to be
• 49:03
  physically conservative, all those things.
• 49:05
  But but we are blessed as a nation to be able to help guide
• 49:09
  other nations. And we have done that for years.
• 49:12
  Unfortunately, we started getting to the point where it
• 49:14
  was more like AI scratch your back, you scratch my next thing
• 49:17
  you know, America's paying for everything.
• 49:19
  I don't think we should do that, but I do think that we are that
• 49:22
  voice of reason when a country is slaughtering people that, you
• 49:29
  know, they don't like maybe a minority group or whatever.
• 49:31
  We're that. We're that country that goes,
• 49:33
  hey, no, no, no, you don't do that.
• 49:35
  That's why we have a new ambassador going in.
• 49:37
  He's an ambassador at large. His name is Mark Walker.
• 49:40
  He's working through getting his confirmation.
• 49:42
  Good friend. He was a former senator or
• 49:44
  congressman. He is working on religious
• 49:48
  liberty around the world. That's what he does.
• 49:51
  Because there are minority religious groups all over there
• 49:54
  being literally persecuted out. And I don't mean like they're
• 49:58
  making them leave the country. I mean, they're they're killing
• 50:00
  them. It's happening right now.
• 50:02
  In real ethnic cleansing. In, in in the Middle East.
• 50:05
  It's happening right now. And so, you know, I just want to
• 50:09
  be a person that got involved in that fight.
• 50:13
  At the end of the day, honestly, I, I don't care if anybody knows
• 50:16
  my name. I, I want them to know the
• 50:18
  person that's changed my life. And that's, that's my Lord and
• 50:21
  savior. And that's the most important
• 50:23
  thing. My faith is, is real.
• 50:25
  And, you know, in 2019, I had a heart attack and I sat on the
• 50:30
  corner of my bed at 11:00 at night and I thought I was, I
• 50:32
  thought I was dying. I mean, I literally did, I had
• 50:34
  to wake up my wife and, and she called 911 and she's on the
• 50:38
  phone and I remember staring at the corner.
• 50:40
  I mean, I'm sitting on the edge of the bed looking at the corner
• 50:42
  of my room and I'm like, God, I thought I was going to be here
• 50:44
  longer and I had a lot of plans. I said, but just take care of my
• 50:47
  wife and kids. And I remember thinking the I'm
• 50:49
  just glad I have no regrets. I have no regrets.
• 50:53
  There's nobody that I'm mad at. There's nobody that I owe an
• 50:57
  apology to. I, I've, I've done the best I
• 51:00
  can in my life, not I'm perfect. I'm sure I've hurt people on the
• 51:03
  way. I didn't mean to, but I, I just
• 51:05
  in that moment I was like, I'm glad I have no regrets.
• 51:07
  Then my wife was on hold for just a second and I told her, I
• 51:09
  said tell the kids I love them. I love you.
• 51:11
  If I don't make it, I love you. And I thought that was it.
• 51:13
  Well, you know, they get me on the ambulance, they, they keep
• 51:16
  me alive. 7:30 the next morning they said I didn't have a heart
• 51:20
  attack. They sent me home.
• 51:21
  I went home to church, preached a couple services. 2 days later
• 51:25
  we went on vacation to New England and I ended up going to
• 51:30
  see a doctor. Found out not only did I have a
• 51:31
  heart attack, I had a 98% blockage in my Widowmaker and
• 51:34
  thankfully while I was in New England I didn't die because I
• 51:37
  ate nothing but fried clamps while I was there.
• 51:39
  And anyhow, fried food y'all wouldn't know about it and but
• 51:43
  anyway, that's a. Crazy story.
• 51:45
  So you just like end it off over there through that air.
• 51:48
  So that's wild. But I had a little PTSD, a
• 51:51
  little bit. But you know, in that moment, it
• 51:53
  gave me a different perspective of life.
• 51:55
  And I don't live, I don't live life now thinking, you know,
• 51:59
  when I'm 7080 and I think about, I literally don't know how long
• 52:03
  I'm going to be here because after that I went through the
• 52:05
  cancer three times. I don't know how long I'll be
• 52:06
  here. But I know this every day I'm
• 52:08
  going to try to make it count. You know, every day I'm going to
• 52:12
  try to make a difference. And again, it's not about I have
• 52:15
  no agenda. I had somebody the other day
• 52:17
  that was mad at me and they were telling me, you know, I don't
• 52:20
  know what your agenda is, what you're trying to get.
• 52:21
  I'm like, I have no agenda. Like I literally if God let me
• 52:25
  just go live in the country, hunt and fish and be with my
• 52:27
  family, I would do that. But that's not what he put me
• 52:30
  here for, you know he. What was he mad at you for?
• 52:32
  Yeah, who knows? He put me here for a purpose.
• 52:34
  Well, I had, I've had people come up and go.
• 52:36
  I think the enemy's really trying to get you.
• 52:37
  And I was like, maybe, but I think God maybe has allowed me
• 52:40
  to go through this because, you know, it's like in the New
• 52:44
  Testament, there was somebody who was, you know, sick and, and
• 52:47
  they all asked when Jesus healed him.
• 52:49
  They all asked, you know, was he was this because of his parents
• 52:52
  sin or his sin? And they, and he said no.
• 52:54
  So God could get glory out of him being healed.
• 52:58
  Sometimes God allows us to go through things so that one, he
• 53:01
  can get glory because I'm rejoicing even in what I'm going
• 53:05
  through because God's good no matter what.
• 53:07
  But two, it's caused me to be able to help a lot of people who
• 53:11
  have went through things in their life who freak out.
• 53:14
  You know, I, I get to tell people all the time.
• 53:17
  You know, I've never wept over the fact I have cancer and I'm
• 53:20
  not, you know, people do that's OK.
• 53:22
  I mean, I had stage 4 cancer, you know, my right kidney all
• 53:26
  around it. They had to remove it wasn't
• 53:28
  looking good. I never wept over it.
• 53:30
  I said, but you know, I, I could get in my truck while I have
• 53:33
  cancer and I could be in a wreck.
• 53:34
  I definitely, if I'm with Lewis, I could be in a wreck and die,
• 53:38
  but I don't every time I get in the vehicle, I don't start
• 53:39
  crying because I could die. And I think it's a perspective,
• 53:43
  you know, yeah, I have cancer. I could die, but but who knows?
• 53:46
  That's in the hands of God. All I got to do is just trust
• 53:49
  him with every day he gives me and, and do the best I can with
• 53:53
  that. And so I think that's important.
• 53:55
  And you know, I'm, I'm honored to be in this position, but
• 53:58
  going into it, I told him all my advisors said don't say this,
• 54:01
  but I'm like, if, if I can be a help, I'm glad to be a help.
• 54:04
  But if not, I won't be offended if if you say no, we can't use
• 54:07
  you 'cause it's really there is no I.
• 54:10
  I have no agenda at this point in my life.
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  Speaking of help, I got to read this next sentence 'cause you,
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  you dropped it here earlier and I'm, I'm looking at it and I'm
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  like, you're fighting human trafficking and addiction and
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  you're the only guy who treats evil like A to do list.
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  That's what Chachi Bativa sums it up.
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  Fighting human trafficking. I mean, you, you, you mentioned
• 54:30
  it earlier and you're talking about helping people and your
• 54:33
  mission. Tell me a story of how did you
• 54:36
  get into that? What is that like?
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  What have you seen? What, what's that world like?
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  You know, we, we travel through the airports a lot and you
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  always see signs. I, I've seen them all over by
• 54:44
  the bathrooms, even in fact, I was in a hotel in New York City,
• 54:47
  a really nice hotel in, in like midtown.
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  We're talking about $1000 a night hotel.
• 54:53
  And near the bathroom it, there's a sign that says, if you
• 54:56
  are experiencing human trafficking, please go.
• 54:58
  And I'm like, what is that? Is that really happening around
• 55:01
  us? I got to hear about this.
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  This is this. That was really one of the
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  things I really. Don't know.
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  But in America it's, it's a huge issue.
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  Unfortunately, a lot of our, a lot of wealthy businessmen, a
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  lot of political leaders have been involved in it.
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  That's why. And this has been a problem,
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  hotels, it's been a problem and This is why it hasn't been
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  ended. And most people are are
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  oblivious to what's going on. I started with an organization.
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  There was an organization called MASA Mothers Against Sexual
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  Abuse, which was the very first one.
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  They changed the name for a little while I was the president
• 55:40
  of that really helping them transition out and and they were
• 55:44
  merging with another organization.
• 55:46
  And then I started serving on the board of an organization
• 55:48
  called SWAT Sports World against trafficking Guys like Albert
• 55:51
  Pool host was on there, Ray Lewis, a lot of professional
• 55:54
  athletes, Kevin, Ernie Johnson, the TNT Love Ernie.
• 56:00
  I was probably the one of the few that was not a pro athlete.
• 56:05
  I have no idea how I got on there, but my buddy Doctor
• 56:07
  Matthew Dunaway that ran that and we were looking at one of
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  the biggest places that trafficking happens is at the
• 56:12
  Super Bowl. There is more sex selling going
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  on there than probably anything else in America.
• 56:19
  At the Super. Bowl at the Super Bowl it's huge
• 56:23
  and so they were having a sporting events and then I
• 56:25
  started serving on an organization called St.
• 56:27
  Grace, which created technology and then right now the
• 56:31
  Department of Interior is working with Tim Tebow's
• 56:35
  foundation. They have a a new technology
• 56:37
  that's helping find missing children because it's a huge
• 56:40
  problem in the tribal nations with the Indians.
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  And so we actually have just recently started using this at
• 56:47
  at different places in the tribes and we're finding these
• 56:50
  kids and it but it's a very huge problem.
• 56:53
  And I'll give you an example in Tennessee where I live
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  conservative, very much Bible Belt faith, you know is a huge
• 57:01
  thing. One of the largest human
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  traffickers of all the Southeast lives there not all the time
• 57:08
  he's extremely wealthy They couldn't touch him because there
• 57:11
  was so little evidence to pinpoint him to put him in jail
• 57:16
  for the rest of his life because they build these barriers.
• 57:19
  But they knew, and I know this because I know the people that
• 57:22
  were investigating him. I, I, you know, it's amazing in
• 57:26
  technology, you know, I know people that can find about
• 57:28
  anything on the dark web. And I've, I've requested before,
• 57:31
  I want to know about somebody and they'll tell me everything.
• 57:33
  And I found out, no, they're gay, but they're not, they're
• 57:36
  not doing anything with children.
• 57:37
  I mean, this is the kind of stuff they can find out about
• 57:39
  people. So, you know, for all the
• 57:42
  listeners, you know, it's just better to leave, live a clean
• 57:44
  life 'cause you know, if you don't want anybody to know,
• 57:46
  they'll find out. But I got asked to go on a, what
• 57:50
  they call a dive. That's a rescue and go get some
• 57:54
  children out. And I really prayed about it.
• 57:56
  These guys are all former special forces.
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  They said go with us. And sometimes they go to a
• 58:01
  country they have to get arrested in order to get out.
• 58:05
  That's the way they're able to get out through the process.
• 58:08
  And I told my buddy, I said, look, I, I, there's a part of me
• 58:13
  that says, yes, I want to go because I want to, I want to
• 58:16
  help rescue. I'm a hunter.
• 58:19
  I'm, you know, I'm, I've got guns, all that, you know, I, I
• 58:23
  didn't get to serve in the military, but I'm very
• 58:26
  patriotic. And there's a part of me my
• 58:28
  oldest son served. I'm like my grandfather served.
• 58:30
  I'm like, I want to say yes, you know, let me do this.
• 58:33
  This is a way I could serve. But I said I'm just old enough
• 58:37
  and clumsy enough now I'd end up shooting one of you or myself.
• 58:40
  I was like, let me do this. Let me pray for you.
• 58:43
  But I have been involved in a few things here stateside and
• 58:48
  with my own eyes. I've seen what's happened.
• 58:51
  I had somebody on my podcast who is in his late 50s.
• 58:57
  His dad was an All American football player's mom was a
• 59:00
  cheerleader. They had 12 children.
• 59:03
  They sold all 12 of them into sex slavery as kids.
• 59:09
  All 12 of them. They still have a brother that's
• 59:11
  been missing since the 90s. That's the only one they don't
• 59:15
  know now all 12 of them didn't even know about each other
• 59:19
  'cause their parents would have a couple, they would sell them,
• 59:24
  have more kids and it wasn't until somehow they all ended up
• 59:27
  finding out all 12 of them had the same parents that's.
• 59:31
  How is this possible? This is what I was saying as I
• 59:34
  was listening to. I'm blown away.
• 59:35
  It's on Real Talk with Pastor Ben Graham.
• 59:38
  You can listen to the episode. This is a real real story, real
• 59:42
  story, and you have to imagine there are other stories like
• 59:44
  this. We actually have the script to
• 59:45
  make this a a movie. It's a it's a tough movie to
• 59:49
  make, but it people need to know.
• 59:51
  I'm reading over here in 2024 the hotline got 32,000 signals,
• 59:55
  calls, texts online, reports about trafficking.
• 59:58
  I mean, that's mind blowing. Well, and, and, and the reality
• 1:00:02
  is, is for everyone they got, you know, you see those, but if
• 1:00:06
  somebody's being trafficked, it's very rare that they have
• 1:00:08
  access to a phone to be able to. That's what I was thinking.
• 1:00:10
  Like you were mentioning that there's a sign if you're being
• 1:00:12
  trafficked close. If I'm being trafficked right
• 1:00:14
  now, I'm probably under duress and probably under a tight
• 1:00:17
  leash. They don't give them the
• 1:00:19
  opportunity. If you're not, anyone's
• 1:00:20
  trafficking. I'm just saying is I'm not being
• 1:00:23
  trafficked. You're too old.
• 1:00:24
  They believe there's actually like a universal sign like, so
• 1:00:28
  like I think they, they have, they do have the help.
• 1:00:31
  They do have the help signs. That's true.
• 1:00:32
  And they've actually rescued some people.
• 1:00:34
  There's a recent video of a gal at a gas station who gives the
• 1:00:38
  sign out and somebody calls it in.
• 1:00:42
  Then there was another lady of the gas station.
• 1:00:43
  There was some police there. She opened up the door and ran
• 1:00:46
  out real quick and the guy chased after, but the police
• 1:00:49
  grabbed him and arrested him before it happened.
• 1:00:51
  But but again, I mean, you can't ask.
• 1:00:53
  Can I borrow the phone there? Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:00:55
  And when you hear, when you hear, I mean, look, you know,
• 1:00:58
  remember in Ohio a couple years ago, the, the, the people that
• 1:01:00
  were locked in a basement for years, There's been other
• 1:01:04
  stories of that. And who knows how many more of
• 1:01:07
  that's going on. Like I have some friends who are
• 1:01:10
  very involved in this. They scare me with the numbers.
• 1:01:12
  I hope that they're exaggerating because some of the stuff they
• 1:01:15
  thought it's so high, but they're living it every day.
• 1:01:18
  And and I'm and once you get in this world, it's very difficult.
• 1:01:23
  And this is where I come in. I get to counsel with a lot of
• 1:01:25
  these people because it's such a police officers struggle with
• 1:01:28
  what they see. These guys, it's a whole nother
• 1:01:30
  level, you know, these officers that have to go in and look at
• 1:01:34
  the evidence of people that are involved with child pornography
• 1:01:38
  and involved in these. I mean it's.
• 1:01:40
  Terrible pastor. Can you tell me from the
• 1:01:44
  perspective of, of a pastor and from, from your religion, from
• 1:01:48
  the Christianity religion? There's a lot of evil in this
• 1:01:51
  world. There's a lot of darkness all
• 1:01:54
  over the place, people doing insane things.
• 1:01:57
  I mean, I'm, you know, we're somewhat normal.
• 1:01:59
  So we're very naive even to a lot of the crazy stuff going on.
• 1:02:02
  From your perspective, how would you explain this if I'm a non
• 1:02:05
  believer, if I'm someone who's saying that this whole thing
• 1:02:08
  with God can't be real because look what's going on.
• 1:02:10
  How is he allowing this? How is he OK with this?
• 1:02:13
  If he's the almighty and the all powerful prevent these type of
• 1:02:16
  things from happening? Why are you just watching and
• 1:02:19
  and not right That's. Isn't, isn't it amazing that we
• 1:02:23
  love to be able to say, I'm own person, I can do whatever I
• 1:02:25
  want, free will. But then we're mad because God
• 1:02:28
  lets us do whatever we want. And it started when Adam and Eve
• 1:02:33
  sinned. Sin entered into this world and
• 1:02:36
  every person who's been born since then has been born into
• 1:02:39
  sin. There's immorality.
• 1:02:41
  This is why, you know, people say this about the school
• 1:02:44
  shootings. And why would God allow this to
• 1:02:47
  happen? Well, we asked God to leave our
• 1:02:48
  schools years ago. We kicked them out.
• 1:02:50
  No prayer, no scripture, No 10 commandments.
• 1:02:53
  We kicked them out. So why would God be somewhere
• 1:02:56
  where he's not invited? He's a gentleman, you know, and
• 1:02:59
  God gave us the right to choose. We have free will and
• 1:03:03
  unfortunately when man is raised without guidelines, without
• 1:03:08
  morality, I mean, there's been tests.
• 1:03:11
  That's been proven. They did a simple test.
• 1:03:13
  They did 30 at a time, did this three times.
• 1:03:16
  They did a test, random test, had the answers on the back so
• 1:03:21
  people could cheat, OK. Had cameras in the room.
• 1:03:24
  They did this out of the room, 78% cheated because the answers
• 1:03:30
  were there. OK, The third group, the second
• 1:03:33
  and third group, they did the exact same thing.
• 1:03:36
  I'm sorry. They did it four times because
• 1:03:37
  they did it twice with just like that.
• 1:03:39
  The third and fourth group, they hung the 10 commandments up,
• 1:03:42
  didn't say anything about it, but they're just in front of the
• 1:03:44
  room. They did the same thing, less
• 1:03:47
  than 30% cheated. And they said somehow
• 1:03:51
  subconsciously, even the commandments being there change
• 1:03:54
  the perspective of the people in the room.
• 1:03:56
  And So what it tells us is morality changes the way we do
• 1:04:01
  things. And we live in a society now
• 1:04:03
  where people say there is no God.
• 1:04:05
  So if there is no God and there's nobody that sets a
• 1:04:08
  standard, we can do whatever we want.
• 1:04:09
  Why wouldn't all these things be happening?
• 1:04:12
  You and I don't understand it because we're, we're a, a moral
• 1:04:16
  base people. We believe in God.
• 1:04:17
  We fear God in the sense not like, oh, I'm afraid God's going
• 1:04:21
  to shrive me dead. But like God, I reverence you.
• 1:04:23
  I, I, I want to please you. I would never do something like
• 1:04:26
  this. This is so unholy, but you know,
• 1:04:30
  the enemy is very real and he works in people's lives.
• 1:04:33
  And so I, I think that's the answer.
• 1:04:35
  And we blame God for a lot of things, you know, you know, but
• 1:04:41
  this, it's amazing. I wish we had more time.
• 1:04:42
  There's so many things I could say, especially about with God
• 1:04:44
  and Israel. You know, I don't know if you've
• 1:04:46
  ever seen the book where somebody showed every time
• 1:04:49
  America turns their back on God from a political leader, we have
• 1:04:52
  a natural disaster. It's.
• 1:04:54
  Happened. You can read the book every time
• 1:04:56
  they've documented it. It's amazing when when President
• 1:05:03
  President Bush, the older President Bush spoke against
• 1:05:06
  Israel, that's when the Hurricanes swept and hit their
• 1:05:09
  vacation home in Kennebunkport and it's just amazing.
• 1:05:13
  I always think of the words, you know, God is not mocked and
• 1:05:17
  whatsoever man shows that will he read the Bible says, you
• 1:05:20
  know, so you can find that. I really believe God said we're
• 1:05:25
  to stand with the nation of Israel.
• 1:05:27
  Doesn't mean we follow them blindly.
• 1:05:29
  If leaders say stupid things that don't line up with God, we
• 1:05:33
  have to call them out and say, you know, this isn't right.
• 1:05:36
  You know, not every leader that's come out of Israel has
• 1:05:38
  has LED with, you know, let me please God.
• 1:05:42
  We've had secular leaders and all that, but I still think we,
• 1:05:45
  there's a way we stand with, you know, with the nation of Israel
• 1:05:48
  without saying, Hey, do whatever you want, you know, within
• 1:05:51
  reason and, you know, because at the end of the day, it's all
• 1:05:54
  about morality. Yeah, and morality it's not.
• 1:05:57
  By the way, Pastor, I love everything that you're saying
• 1:05:59
  and I appreciate that answer. That's very thought me.
• 1:06:01
  Too, by the way. As soon as you said it, I'm
• 1:06:03
  like, wait a second, he's right because you can't have it both
• 1:06:05
  ways. You want to have free will or
• 1:06:07
  you want God to just do make the whole setup for you.
• 1:06:10
  So it makes a lot of sense what you're what you're saying.
• 1:06:13
  I have another question about the the the difference between
• 1:06:17
  Judaism and Christianity. And this part I do know because
• 1:06:20
  I've seen it a ton in movies. I've seen it all over.
• 1:06:23
  So I. Hollywood, I know it never lies
• 1:06:25
  and. I've always wondered how this
• 1:06:27
  works. I've I'm sure a lot of listeners
• 1:06:28
  right now are probably gonna like jump on his bandwagon.
• 1:06:30
  I would love to hear this, this answer, but have you ever heard
• 1:06:33
  of Jewish guilt? You ever heard of that?
• 1:06:36
  It's a real thing. Jewish guilt is if we do like a
• 1:06:38
  sin, good Lord, it sits with us for a long time and it's not
• 1:06:43
  worth it for the guilt afterwards.
• 1:06:45
  So that also prevents us from doing a lot of different things
• 1:06:48
  because we also believe that it's going to be a day of
• 1:06:50
  reckoning. There's going to come a time
• 1:06:52
  when you're going to have to answer for all your sins.
• 1:06:55
  And there's a, a concept of repentance, of course, and, and,
• 1:06:58
  and today's a new day and you could do better.
• 1:07:00
  You should do better. The new year, the rest of start
• 1:07:03
  of which, you know, you could start over and all that, but at
• 1:07:06
  the end of the day, you know, it's in your mind always that,
• 1:07:09
  oh God, I had the, the day's going to come and it's just, and
• 1:07:11
  you feel guilt like I did something wrong.
• 1:07:13
  And I that's how it works. You know, for the most part what
• 1:07:16
  I understand in Christianity, you go through the father, you
• 1:07:21
  go to a priest, you sit with him in the confession room and you
• 1:07:24
  tell him all your sins of the day or the week of the month,
• 1:07:27
  whatever it is. And he tells you whatever he
• 1:07:29
  says, you know, blessed be you, it's all good, you're forgiven.
• 1:07:32
  Go drink some holy water. And they walk out of there like
• 1:07:36
  that's they're, they're clean, they're cleansed.
• 1:07:39
  And a part of me envies that because there was, it's a much
• 1:07:41
  happier way to live and you could probably be better off for
• 1:07:44
  it. But like what?
• 1:07:45
  Where does that come? From so First off, we differ
• 1:07:48
  from Catholic because we believe Jesus is the Messiah.
• 1:07:52
  So, you know, after he died and was buried, rose again, he says,
• 1:07:56
  to the throne of God. The Bible says in the New
• 1:07:58
  Testament we now have an advocate with the Father, so we
• 1:08:01
  can go directly to him. I don't have to go to a priest.
• 1:08:03
  I don't have to go confess my sins.
• 1:08:04
  Anybody confess to him? When we make him Lord and Savior
• 1:08:08
  of our life, He forgives us. The Bible says we confess our
• 1:08:12
  sin, He's faithful and justice. Forgive us for our sins, cleanse
• 1:08:14
  us from all unrighteousness, so he forgives us.
• 1:08:17
  So then people go, well, you believe you're saved so you can
• 1:08:19
  just do whatever you want. Like a free pass.
• 1:08:22
  The Bible says this. You're not your own.
• 1:08:24
  You've been bought with a price. When I give my life to Christ,
• 1:08:27
  I'm not my own anymore. I now belong to him.
• 1:08:29
  I belong to God, so therefore I don't just live my life however
• 1:08:32
  I please. Does God still give me a free
• 1:08:34
  will? Yes.
• 1:08:35
  Could I still go do certain things?
• 1:08:36
  Yes, I could, but I don't because my desire is now to
• 1:08:40
  please him. So there is that.
• 1:08:42
  And we know what sin is. I mean, preachers preach on sin.
• 1:08:47
  The you know, you don't do these things.
• 1:08:49
  You, you don't commit adultery. You don't whatever it might be,
• 1:08:51
  these are the things you don't do.
• 1:08:52
  We, we know what it is. We, you know, I think God puts
• 1:08:55
  inside of all of us a sense of right and wrong.
• 1:08:59
  There's just certain things that we've been able to justify.
• 1:09:01
  Well, you know, I'm not as bad as this person.
• 1:09:03
  So, you know, it's, you know, I mean, I haven't murdered
• 1:09:06
  anybody. But, you know, if you understand
• 1:09:08
  all the New Testament, Jesus goes on to say, if you hate your
• 1:09:11
  brother, you're guilty of murder.
• 1:09:12
  If you think about, if you think, look on a woman with
• 1:09:15
  lush, you're guilty of adultery. So he took it even further than
• 1:09:18
  what the law says. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
• 1:09:22
  And you know, all these things. So so you know, there is the
• 1:09:26
  same sense that we can live in that, but we're able to go and
• 1:09:30
  this is what we teach. When you recognize I've sinned
• 1:09:33
  against God, I go to him in prayer and say, you know,
• 1:09:36
  Father, forgive me, I'm sorry. And this is what first John one
• 1:09:39
  night says, if we confess our sins, he's faithful.
• 1:09:42
  He's just forgives our sins, cleanse us from all
• 1:09:44
  righteousness and we get that forgiveness.
• 1:09:47
  And it's just like when I wrong my wife, I go to her and I say,
• 1:09:51
  you know what? You know, maybe I said something
• 1:09:54
  I shouldn't. Whatever it might be, I'm sorry
• 1:09:56
  and I love you. And she says it's OK, I forgive
• 1:09:58
  you, I love you, it's over. Yeah, you're a smart man and.
• 1:10:01
  The Bible says you do it right, that when God Forgives, he
• 1:10:04
  forgives our sins and it and he remembers them no more.
• 1:10:07
  It's forgotten as far as the East is from the West.
• 1:10:10
  There's one thing that God cannot do, OK, and God can do
• 1:10:15
  anything, but God cannot. This is what Scripture says.
• 1:10:18
  He, he cannot bring up something that he's forgiven.
• 1:10:22
  Now we are able to do that because we forgive.
• 1:10:24
  You know, sometimes we're like, we forgive, but we don't forget,
• 1:10:27
  but God does because, and that's what's amazing about God.
• 1:10:30
  He's so holy. He's so just, he's able to do
• 1:10:33
  that forgive us. So that's how we believe, but
• 1:10:35
  it's not an open path to sin. There's certainly times we feel
• 1:10:38
  guilty. And that's why typically in our
• 1:10:41
  services, it's changed a little bit in the contemporary
• 1:10:43
  services, but typically in our service, we have an altar time
• 1:10:45
  where people can come and they can spend time in prayer,
• 1:10:47
  praying, You know, in the Catholic Church, they go to the
• 1:10:50
  priests and they ask for forgiveness, like you said.
• 1:10:52
  But but yeah, we don't have to live all that time and guilt.
• 1:10:58
  Yeah, it's a hard way to live, by the way.
• 1:11:00
  You know, it's it's not conducive.
• 1:11:01
  One more question, Michael, and then I'm going to pass it back
• 1:11:03
  to you. I promise.
• 1:11:04
  My my my last question for you, Pastor.
• 1:11:08
  What is one thing that stands out about the Jewish people that
• 1:11:14
  not just Christians, but anybody else, any other religion,
• 1:11:16
  whether you're not even religious, can learn from, that
• 1:11:19
  you would look at and you respect and say, wow, that's
• 1:11:21
  something very unique to the Jewish people and that's
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  something that we can admire, we can emulate, and we should
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  incorporate in our side as well. And vice versa.
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  What would be something that you think from the Christian
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  religion that you excel at and that the community does very,
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  very well? That is something that others
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  should. I mean, like, if you're taking
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  one thing away, this is the part that you should take away from
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  the Jewish people and then from the Christian people.
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  Yeah, So I mean, I think, you know, two things with with the
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  Jewish people. I mean, there's many things, but
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  I'll say too, you know, I think business, most Jewish people I
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  know are brilliant in business education.
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  Yeah, they do a great job in that.
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  I I think Shabbat, you know, for whatever reason and you know,
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  the Bible says Amanda and working on eat.
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  We've taken it to extreme like we are proud that we work seven
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  days a week and we, you know, are busy, busy, busy, busy.
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  And I think this is something that the Jewish people
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  understand. God taught us from the
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  beginning. He created heaven and earth 6
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  days and 7th day he rested. Rest is important.
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  Shabbat is important that time. I love it when I did my first
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  Shabbat in in Israel and watched as, you know, the father saying
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  or the husband saying to his wife and just watched the whole
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  ceremony of it and the dinner and just the sense of
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  unplugging. And I think more people are
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  catching on to that and seeing that even in the Christian
• 1:12:50
  faith, more people are going, you know, Shabbat is so
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  important. I think one thing that that and
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  Christians is such a huge, such a huge statement of people, but
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  the ones I come from, we're good at really trying to help and
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  work with the Jewish people. And I can tell you many things
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  we're doing in Israel and I think they're Jewish people that
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  starting to do this. But I think for them to let down
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  their guard a little bit and say, how can I work with
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  Christians and help and encourage because they have a
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  lot of wisdom, especially in business and other things.
• 1:13:24
  You know, there's so much wisdom in, you know, and I think we're
• 1:13:29
  continuing to see that grow in our relationships and working
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  together in business health. You know, we all went for years,
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  we've military, we've, we've done a lot together, but I think
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  that's important. And you know, at the end of the
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  day, we are blessed, you know, beyond what I think we realized,
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  we are so blessed to live in this great country.
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  And God is just, he's, he's given us this opportunity.
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  And I, I just say, whether you're Jewish or Christian,
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  don't waste the day, you know, quit, quit living in despair,
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  depression, quit living in discouragement, you know, get up
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  and do something with your life. And I found that people don't
• 1:14:12
  get depressed if they're, if they're busy doing what they've
• 1:14:15
  been called to do. So, you know, if you're
• 1:14:17
  miserable in what you're doing, maybe you're supposed to be
• 1:14:19
  doing something different, but find that passion.
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  And at the end of the day, what really helps, no matter what
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  you're doing, if you're helping people, if you care about
• 1:14:27
  others, that I think that changes everybody's perspective.
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  And so that'd be my. Wow, wow.
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  I I don't think there's anything more to say after that.
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  Yeah, to be honest with that, I mean, that's a beautiful way to
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  wrap up. Pastor, have you preached
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  before, perhaps? By the way, have you done this
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  once or twice? I'm just curious.
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  Time or two, I know somebody asked me yesterday when I was
• 1:14:46
  going to speak, They're like, do you?
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  It was a he's a Jewish man, Ellie Ishkoff, who was he was
• 1:14:53
  the president of the World Diamond Council for years and
• 1:14:56
  he's in his 80s lives in New York City and he we rode
• 1:14:59
  together and and he heard me speak.
• 1:15:00
  He's like, do you, what do you do?
• 1:15:01
  Prepare, what do you do? And I was like, I, I have no
• 1:15:03
  idea. I want to speak tonight, You
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  know, I'll see the room, the crowd, what we're doing.
• 1:15:07
  I'll, I'll, I'll do that. But honestly, you know, and
• 1:15:11
  that's even going to here. I had no idea what we're going
• 1:15:13
  to talk about, But I, I just really think, you know, I've
• 1:15:17
  lived a few lessons. I've learned a few lessons in my
• 1:15:19
  life. I've lived a little bit.
• 1:15:21
  I'm still young, but I've lived a little bit to know the older I
• 1:15:25
  get, the less I know and the more I have to rely on God for
• 1:15:29
  his help. And, and, and you know, his word
• 1:15:32
  is what really guides me. I, I read scripture every day.
• 1:15:36
  I'm, I'm very adamant about that.
• 1:15:38
  You know, and, and in the New Testament says seek first the
• 1:15:41
  Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these
• 1:15:43
  things will be added to you. And then he goes on about how
• 1:15:46
  he'll feed you, he'll clothe you and all those things.
• 1:15:49
  And I would say most people in life are pursuing how they get
• 1:15:52
  all those things. And then God is an afterthought.
• 1:15:55
  And I used to tell our church we meet on Sundays.
• 1:15:58
  Sunday morning was the pep rally.
• 1:15:59
  The real game was when you left. Most people think I went to
• 1:16:03
  church, OK, I did my business with God.
• 1:16:05
  Now the rest of it's my life. But it's the opposite.
• 1:16:08
  You know, Sunday's at pep rally to be with other people that
• 1:16:10
  believe like you. You encourage one another.
• 1:16:12
  Then you go out in the week and that's when you actually live
• 1:16:14
  for God. And I would say, you know,
• 1:16:16
  Shabbat is this time. Everybody comes together and in
• 1:16:20
  the times of celebration that's coming up, that's great.
• 1:16:24
  But but the real challenge is when you leave there every day
• 1:16:28
  just living your faith and and seeking God first.
• 1:16:33
  Putting sound like my rabbi. You're literally saying the same
• 1:16:36
  thing that my rabbi's been telling me.
• 1:16:37
  Talked before when you were in synagogue, when you were there
• 1:16:40
  like you, you're you're playing the part.
• 1:16:41
  But what are you doing when you're leaving?
• 1:16:43
  We we talked and he told me when I was here today to let you know
• 1:16:45
  that. You're ganging up on me.
• 1:16:47
  I have the rabbi yelling at me and the pastor.
• 1:16:49
  Yeah, Michael, everybody's upset with me.
• 1:16:52
  That's crazy. This has been a lot of fun.
• 1:16:54
  I mean, besides that, it's it's so eye opening to us to learn
• 1:16:58
  about your position and who you are and your story and just just
• 1:17:02
  mumbling words like, oh, you know, yeah, I survived cancer
• 1:17:06
  and I wrote a book and I'm an actor.
• 1:17:08
  And we caught we caught all of it.
• 1:17:10
  And honestly, I mean, I can go on for hours also.
• 1:17:13
  And I, I really want to continue this conversation just more
• 1:17:15
  personally than you know, just like, you know, just on this.
• 1:17:18
  And I invite you to our Shabbat table anytime you're up here in
• 1:17:22
  Rockland County. You know, Charlie Kirk said the
• 1:17:24
  same thing. They asked him what are some
• 1:17:26
  things you could learn from the Jews.
• 1:17:27
  Somebody asked him that question, and this is what he
• 1:17:29
  answered also. Yeah.
• 1:17:30
  He said the Shabbat. He said he turned off his phone.
• 1:17:32
  He said he from Friday night to Saturday night, he turned his
• 1:17:35
  phone off course. Later on in his life, he started
• 1:17:37
  turning his phone off. And that's just one variable of
• 1:17:40
  what we do on the. Shabbat was a big influence on
• 1:17:42
  that. She grew up in New York City.
• 1:17:43
  Oh, so she was familiar. With she was a big influence on
• 1:17:46
  that and she talked about it changed his life.
• 1:17:50
  And I mean, all of this. I mean, if we're, we live busy
• 1:17:52
  lives and I'm, I'm involved in ministry, business, everything
• 1:17:55
  else, you need that time just to unwind.
• 1:17:58
  It's a gift. It's a really a gift.
• 1:17:59
  We have a couple of things that we like to do before we wrap up.
• 1:18:02
  So first of all, do you have any questions for us?
• 1:18:04
  It's an opportunity for you to ask us any questions.
• 1:18:06
  Well, no, just thank you for letting me be on here.
• 1:18:08
  I'm honoured. I, I hope to get back and you
• 1:18:11
  know, it's an interesting conversation for me as well.
• 1:18:15
  I'm, you know, I'm just honored to be here today.
• 1:18:18
  We really appreciate that. And another thing we always ask
• 1:18:20
  our guest is if you can pick someone to be a future guest on
• 1:18:24
  our podcast that can fill that seat.
• 1:18:27
  Who would you recommend? Someone in your phone book?
• 1:18:30
  Someone in your black book? Preferably a celebrity.
• 1:18:34
  Well then, I thought, Rob Schneider.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider, stop it.
• 1:18:39
  Rob Schneider I I missed my Rob Schneider story.
• 1:18:41
  I my son was getting married and I mentioned Corbin Bernsen
• 1:18:45
  earlier. He was in a show called Psych,
• 1:18:46
  which was my son. It was his favorite.
• 1:18:48
  Show. I know the show.
• 1:18:49
  So I was telling Corbin about it, He said he said I'll send.
• 1:18:53
  He said I will send a video, congratulate him.
• 1:18:56
  So he did. Well then Governor Huckabee was
• 1:18:58
  Jordan was born in Arkansas and so Governor Huckabee sent a
• 1:19:01
  video. So I was like, what's Jordan's
• 1:19:03
  favorite movie? It's Home Alone 2.
• 1:19:05
  It's always been his favorite movie.
• 1:19:06
  I was like who do I know in that?
• 1:19:07
  And I was like, well I got Rob Snyder's number.
• 1:19:08
  So I text Rob and I don't know if he's going to respond or not.
• 1:19:11
  You know, I've never asked something like this for my I
• 1:19:14
  sent it to him. 4 minutes later, I get boom, I get a video back
• 1:19:18
  and it's Rob. And he's like, congratulations,
• 1:19:21
  Jordan, man, I'm so proud of you.
• 1:19:23
  You can do it. Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  Who does that? Why?
• 1:19:26
  Look, and he's in a Raising Cane's.
• 1:19:28
  That's a fast food restaurant. Hat and apron and I'm like,
• 1:19:31
  don't tell me Rob is so broke he's having to work at a fast
• 1:19:34
  food restaurant. What's going on?
• 1:19:35
  So I go on his Instagram or on his Twitter handle and I look it
• 1:19:39
  up on X and he was there doing some promo, a new movie he did.
• 1:19:42
  The guy that funded the movie owns all these raising cane.
• 1:19:45
  So he was doing a promo. He literally stepped out, did
• 1:19:48
  the video for me and stepped back in.
• 1:19:49
  I couldn't believe it. And what a guy.
• 1:19:51
  But I'll show you when we go off here, I'll show you the video.
• 1:19:53
  It's it's the greatest thing. But yeah, I don't know why he
• 1:19:57
  was the first person before he even said famous.
• 1:19:59
  He's the first person popped in my mind.
• 1:20:01
  That's the guy that can't say no to you so.
• 1:20:03
  Doctor, Pastor, if you get him to come onto this show, Rob
• 1:20:07
  Graham, I will be internally grateful to you.
• 1:20:10
  He happens to be one of the, I think, funnier actors of our
• 1:20:14
  time. And he hasn't done movies
• 1:20:15
  lately, but back in the day. There's a Jewish friend of mine
• 1:20:19
  that doesn't know. That line that you just said and
• 1:20:21
  learned, all the movies that he's done and by the way he
• 1:20:23
  started doing stand up comedy more recently and he in comedy,
• 1:20:26
  his bits are out of this world. He's very funny.
• 1:20:29
  He's good at standing. A lot of political, but not
• 1:20:32
  political, but exactly he's. Doing it just enough, just
• 1:20:35
  right. And, and he's, he's phenomenal
• 1:20:37
  with love, love, love. The tradition that we have is
• 1:20:39
  that you call him and that you ask him on the podcast.
• 1:20:42
  Give it a shot, I. Don't know you want to give it a
• 1:20:44
  shot? No, no, no, no.
• 1:20:45
  OK. This is what we do, no?
• 1:20:47
  No, no, this is. What we do?
• 1:20:48
  Lewis is nodding his head. I don't know man, this.
• 1:20:50
  Is better I. Would put you up to the test.
• 1:20:52
  Well, I tell you what, I I will reach out to him.
• 1:20:54
  OK, I will reach out. Done.
• 1:20:56
  We'll settle for that. You know, we really appreciate
• 1:20:59
  you being here and really, you know the oh, she, by the way,
• 1:21:02
  great questions. Thank you.
• 1:21:04
  Really great questions. And what even better than the
• 1:21:06
  questions were the answers? Yeah, it was fantastic.
• 1:21:09
  Love, love the dialogue. So I we got to do Round 2 or
• 1:21:11
  even round 3 when you when you're back to.
• 1:21:13
  Drivers, thank you to all our listeners.
• 1:21:15
  Thank you to all of our growth, to all of our fans, to the Prime
• 1:21:19
  Source production team, to Twillery.
• 1:21:21
  We love the feedback, we love the growth, we love what we're
• 1:21:24
  doing here. And on behalf of all of us,
• 1:21:28
  happy New Year because our Jewish New Year is coming up.
• 1:21:30
  So you know, any message that you have to, to people
• 1:21:34
  listening, you know, it's our Jewish New Year.
• 1:21:36
  It's just. No, I wish you a happy new year.
• 1:21:38
  And you know, every new year is a chance.
• 1:21:41
  It really is kind of a restart. And so as you're getting ready
• 1:21:45
  to go into it, reflect, ask God to show you what needs to be
• 1:21:49
  better to change and and then started off the new year and
• 1:21:55
  take a day at a time. And if you do something 30 days,
• 1:21:58
  it becomes a habit. Love it.
• 1:21:59
  Thank you so much, Pastor. It's a wrap.
• 1:22:02
  Thank you, Pastor.