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Hilary Swank: Pregnant at 52, Fighting for Our Kids + Why There Are No “Shoulds” · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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  Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer. Closer to truths.
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  Speaker 1: Closer to each other. Even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Robay, and each week my guests and I come
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  Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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  Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask, what if?
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 1: And who says? So come curious.
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  Speaker 2: Dig deep.
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  Speaker 1: And join the conversation. It's time to question everything. When
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  Speaker 1: Hilary Swank was eight years old, a teacher in a
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  Speaker 1: small town where she grew up asked her class to
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  Speaker 1: write a skit and perform it. Hilary says something came
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  Speaker 1: alive in her that day, and she still feels it
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  Speaker 1: every time she steps on set. Now that teacher pulled
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  Speaker 1: her mom aside and said, encourage this. One adult paid attention,
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  Speaker 1: and it changed everything. More than 30 years later, and
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  Speaker 1: two Oscars later, Hillary is now the one paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: When she was preparing to become a mother, she started
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  Speaker 1: reading the labels on products that we're told to trust.
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  Speaker 1: Prenatal vitamins, diapers, the things we put on our baby's
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  Speaker 1: skin every single day. And she didn't like what she found.
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  Speaker 1: So she did what so many of the characters that
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  Speaker 1: she's played have done. She refused to back down.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the outsider in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: And I love the outsiders and I love the underdogs
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  Speaker 3: and I love rooting for them.
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  Speaker 1: We recorded this conversation in front of a live audience
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  Speaker 1: in New York City just the day after Hillary announced
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  Speaker 1: she was expecting baby number three at 52 years old.
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  Speaker 1: This conversation is particularly meaningful to me because I'm a
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  Speaker 1: founding member of the Environmental Working Group's Leadership Council. And
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  Speaker 1: I joined because I believe that we all deserve so
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  Speaker 1: much better. The water that we drink, the food we eat,
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  Speaker 1: the products we put on our bodies and bring into
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  Speaker 1: our homes. These are some of the most basic everyday
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  Speaker 1: parts of being alive, right? And yet we're often left
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  Speaker 1: to figure it out for ourselves. What's actually in them,
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  Speaker 1: whether they're safe. And I don't think protecting our health
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  Speaker 1: should require becoming an expert in chemistry. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the burden should fall entirely on the consumer to
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  Speaker 1: ask the questions that companies ought to be answering. And
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  Speaker 1: it seems like Hillary feels the same way.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of companies that say that, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why they can't disclose 100%.
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  Speaker 2: Because if you take, as we know, like, let's just
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  Speaker 2: say you.
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  Speaker 3: Have a glass of water and you put one drop
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  Speaker 3: of arsenic in it, well, that makes the 99% to
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  Speaker 3: completely negate it.
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  Speaker 1: It only takes one drop to change everything. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: true of arsenic. But it's also true of people. One
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  Speaker 1: teacher in a small town told Hillary's mom to encourage this.
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  Speaker 1: And decades later, Hillary walked into a room of lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: and became that drop for millions of families that she
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  Speaker 1: will never meet. As she put it, you can't unknow
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  Speaker 1: what you learn. And after this conversation, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you'll want to. Now, today, Hillary opens up about her
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  Speaker 1: third pregnancy, how she kept it a secret in her hometown,
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  Speaker 1: how her twins took the news. And I really loved
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  Speaker 1: hearing her honest advice for women thinking about having kids
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  Speaker 1: later in life and why there are absolutely no shoulds
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  Speaker 1: in motherhood. She also shares the parenting lesson she lives
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  Speaker 1: by and the one role that she thinks she can
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  Speaker 1: never top. It's time to question everything with Hilary Swank. Hilary,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, a huge congratulations are in order. How
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  Speaker 1: are you feeling? Elated.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful. I'm so happy. I'm just so, I
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  Speaker 2: feel so blessed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling you off camera, I felt a little
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  Speaker 1: emotional when I saw you announce the news. You wrote
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  Speaker 1: probably the best thing on Instagram. You said a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have been asking what project I'm doing next.
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  Speaker 1: This one releases in December with a cute little glow
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  Speaker 1: stick announcement. How did your three-year-old twins react to the news?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: So excited. My daughter is not a very like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: kind of girl. She likes to growl and be like, oh.
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  Speaker 3: She really gets into her body.
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  Speaker 2: But I told her and she went, oh, in there?
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  Speaker 2: She was so excited.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, my son is too. And they asked when
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  Speaker 3: the baby's coming. And every time I leave the house,
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  Speaker 3: they come back and they're like, is the baby here?
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  Speaker 3: And I finally said, well, the baby's coming at Christmas time.
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  Speaker 3: And then we're in fall and they're like, and then
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  Speaker 3: Christmas time comes after. But they wake up every morning going,
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  Speaker 3: is it Christmas time yet?
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  Speaker 2: They're really excited.
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  Speaker 3: They see babies at restaurants and they go up to
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  Speaker 3: the baby and they're like, can I tell you something?
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  Speaker 3: My mama has a baby in her belly and she's
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  Speaker 3: due at Christmas time.
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  Speaker 1: That is so sweet.
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  Speaker 2: So cute.
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  Speaker 1: Was it hard to keep the secret from people? Because
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  Speaker 1: you're showing now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm showing now. I really am. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: live in a very small town.
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  Speaker 3: It's a town I grew up in and everyone there
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  Speaker 3: has been so just respectful of my privacy and it
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  Speaker 3: hasn't leaked.
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  Speaker 2: And clearly I don't stay at home all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And I just, I was working, but I was working
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  Speaker 3: up until about, I was 17 weeks pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: So like no one really knew on set either.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a pretty private person.
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  Speaker 2: And there was no reason to really, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: say anything.
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  Speaker 3: And then We passed this wonderful diaper bill, and I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to show up here.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was like, well, hello, everybody, and meet
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  Speaker 2: the baby in my belly.
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  Speaker 1: So most people know you as two-time Oscar winner. Fewer
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  Speaker 1: people know that you testified in front of California lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: about heavy metals in prenatal vitamins. And I heard that
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  Speaker 1: journey started with you having babies. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 3: It did, because I would have never gone down that
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  Speaker 3: road of understanding that there was toxic heavy metals in
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  Speaker 3: them had I not been pregnant. And the EWG is
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  Speaker 3: the one that brought me to Healthy Baby because I
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  Speaker 3: was looking up the best ways to find healthy products
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  Speaker 3: for my babies. Because part of also, I think, getting pregnant,
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  Speaker 3: if you're on that journey, is really detoxing your own body.
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  Speaker 2: And so I started that prior to actually.
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  Speaker 3: Becoming pregnant And then I thought, well, I want to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that baby in utero is healthy and then
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  Speaker 3: baby outside of utero in their most sensitive formative years
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  Speaker 3: from zero to three are also getting the most healthy
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  Speaker 3: stuff on them. And that's what led me to the
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  Speaker 3: diapers because they're not regulated. And so there's a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of stuff in diapers that you don't know about. And
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  Speaker 3: it's really bad stuff. It's very toxic. It's endocrine disruptors.
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  Speaker 2: It's VOCs. It's phthalates.
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  Speaker 3: It's just things that shouldn't be on a baby's most
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  Speaker 3: sensitive part for 24-7, three-plus years. And that was horrifying
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  Speaker 3: to me. So I started digging deeper and then, yes,
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  Speaker 3: learned about prenatal and all of the things. And it
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  Speaker 3: led me to Shazi Visram, who created Healthy Baby. And
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  Speaker 3: then we just thought, you know, what can we do?
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  Speaker 3: They were leading the charge and I wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: a part of it. And so, yes, we lobbied for
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  Speaker 3: the prenatals to be third party tested, all to like
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  Speaker 3: follow suit of what we were already doing to follow suit.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's a law. It's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I think your exact words were that motherhood was a
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  Speaker 1: wake up call.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What was that initial call? Like, do you remember how
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  Speaker 1: you found out?
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  Speaker 2: About all the toxins?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I started learning about them when I was trying
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  Speaker 3: to be healthier myself, like I said, just to.
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  Speaker 2: Carry a baby.
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  Speaker 3: And then I realized there's so much greenwashing. There's so
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  Speaker 3: many people who are also saying they're doing healthy things,
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  Speaker 3: but they're not. And that even scared me more because
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  Speaker 3: I was like, well, if that's supposed to be a
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  Speaker 3: healthy choice and it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Why would they do that?
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  Speaker 3: I was actually just confused by it all. And I
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  Speaker 3: thought they're just doing that to make a profit. And
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't think that that was the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: And I also don't think that it's fair that we
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  Speaker 3: feel like everything that's on our shelves are safe, because
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  Speaker 3: they should be, and they're not. And unfortunately, it's just
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  Speaker 3: the way that it is. And so instead of like,
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  Speaker 3: just being held back by it and being disappointed in it,
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  Speaker 3: I thought I want to just be a part of
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  Speaker 3: helping lead that charge. And I feel really grateful to
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  Speaker 3: have a platform to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: You've talked about how companies say they're 99% something and
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  Speaker 1: how you want to know what that other 1% is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you see that the most?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of people who say that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of companies that say that, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why they can't disclose 100%. Because if you take,
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  Speaker 3: as we know, like let's just say you have a
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  Speaker 3: glass of water and you put one drop of arsenic
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  Speaker 3: in it, that makes the 99% completely negated.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really good metaphor. You said companies too often
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  Speaker 1: put profit over people. What would it look like for
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  Speaker 1: companies to take that responsibility on themselves instead of putting
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  Speaker 1: it onto the consumer?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't, I mean, I don't actually
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  Speaker 3: make the product, so I don't know what goes into,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how much it costs or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: But I just don't think that, you know, there's also
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  Speaker 3: healthy brands that get bought by bigger companies and then
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  Speaker 3: become unhealthy that you have to then do some due
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  Speaker 3: diligence on and say, oh, is this still healthy? Because
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  Speaker 3: these bigger companies just want profit, profit, profit, profit. But
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  Speaker 3: at what point do you need to make more money?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. Like you have a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: You're a company. People want your product. So make it
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  Speaker 3: healthy and make it a product that's good for them.
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  Speaker 3: Or you actually don't actually really.
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  Speaker 2: Care about them. And so I just think, You know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't need all of the things.
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  Speaker 3: You don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need it. That's the bottom line. So why
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  Speaker 2: put it in there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's just particularly upsetting, too, in the
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  Speaker 1: prenatal and motherhood space because it's upsetting when it's in
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  Speaker 1: hair and makeup. It's upsetting when it's in your cleaning products.
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  Speaker 1: But you're so vulnerable and sensitive now. when you're having
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  Speaker 1: a baby, what did you even say to lawmakers when
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  Speaker 1: you testified?
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  Speaker 3: I just said I'm horrified to learn the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to do something healthy for yourself. You're told
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  Speaker 3: to take prenatal vitamins for the health of your baby,
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  Speaker 3: but then you're putting something in your body that's actually
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  Speaker 3: harming them, and it doesn't make any sense. Why would
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  Speaker 3: you allow a company to do that? You're saying be healthy,
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  Speaker 3: but then it's actually not. There's no There's no way
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  Speaker 3: to wiggle your way out of that.
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  Speaker 1: It worked because California's diaper bill, 1901, became law, which
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  Speaker 1: was very exciting. New York, where we are in Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: where I'm from, happened to have similar laws. Why do
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  Speaker 1: you think it's taken state laws to get an ingredient
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  Speaker 1: list on something that parents put in their babies every
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  Speaker 1: single day? What is stopping all of these other states?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that these companies are powerful and they
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of money and they have connections and
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  Speaker 3: so they are able to skirt around things that they
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't and i think now you know people are consumers
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  Speaker 3: are becoming more aware we're talking about it more and
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  Speaker 3: the more we talk about it the more we band
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  Speaker 3: together and you know for the better and for the
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  Speaker 3: good and we use our voices and we say i
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  Speaker 3: didn't know but now i know you can't unknow what
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  Speaker 3: you learn right and so we say we want better
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  Speaker 3: and they have to give us better. We're the ones
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  Speaker 3: that are spending the money that are supporting their companies.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help but think, you know, the law that
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  Speaker 1: you fought for passed and now you're pregnant again. Does
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  Speaker 1: this pregnancy feel different at all because of that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I had found Healthy Baby right upon becoming pregnant
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  Speaker 3: the first time. So It didn't change that for me.
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  Speaker 3: All that's changed for me is, look, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: it just for me. I want it for everybody. I
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  Speaker 3: want everybody to have the choice to have healthy products
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  Speaker 3: for their, I mean, this baby is, they're totally dependent
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  Speaker 3: on us. It's the choices that we make for them
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  Speaker 3: every day. And I want everyone to have that choice,
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  Speaker 3: not just people in positions like myself.
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  Speaker 1: We're also in a day and age where you can
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  Speaker 1: research absolutely everything, right? And it's almost overwhelming. Did you
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  Speaker 1: find yourself becoming the mom who was looking absolutely every
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  Speaker 1: product up and in the grocery store aisles Googling and
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  Speaker 1: chat GPT-ing?
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  Speaker 2: What's in this? And you know what?
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  Speaker 3: It's really time consuming. And I don't think it's where
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  Speaker 3: consumers should have to spend their time.
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  Speaker 2: And we do.
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  Speaker 3: And thankfully, like I said before, we have the EWG
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  Speaker 3: that can do a lot of that work for us
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  Speaker 3: because there's an app that I use. And if it's
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  Speaker 3: not in the app, you can take a photo of
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  Speaker 3: it and you can easily get, you know, the disclosure
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  Speaker 3: and the reel on it and you can make that
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  Speaker 3: decision yourself.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a godsend.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, again, it adds more time to your
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  Speaker 3: day and it just would be nice. It will be
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  Speaker 3: beautiful in the future that we can just trust what's
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  Speaker 3: on our shelves because companies are doing the right thing
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  Speaker 3: and we're, you know, as consumers able to say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I can now actually trust this.
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  Speaker 2: But for now, we can't.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I found EWG for the first time
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  Speaker 1: and I just felt like a sense of relief because
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  Speaker 1: I was spending so much time.
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  Speaker 2: Researching.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Every beauty product, every fragrance.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, when you're becoming a new parent,
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  Speaker 3: you want to spend your time learning how to take
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  Speaker 3: care of an infant, not like researching what you're going
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  Speaker 3: to be putting on their bodies.
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  Speaker 2: You want to be using that time So you can
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  Speaker 2: be prepared when the child comes into the world of
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  Speaker 2: like what to do because there's no instructions for that.
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  Speaker 1: Well said. There are currently 279 brands with EWG verified
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  Speaker 1: products and just under 2,800 products in the program. Is
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  Speaker 1: that enough?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: How many products?
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  Speaker 3: 2,800.
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  Speaker 2: No. I mean, we're scratching the surface, but we're getting there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, now other diaper companies are following suit
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  Speaker 3: and there's other EWG verified diapers.
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  Speaker 2: Which is so wonderful. Yeah. You know, I mean, you just,
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  Speaker 2: you start it and, you know, build it, they will come.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing I learned to get rid of was fragrance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that was important to you too?
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  Speaker 2: Very, very important.
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  Speaker 3: We know that's one of the biggest nervous system disruptors
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  Speaker 3: and endocrine receptors.
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  Speaker 2: That are out there. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And they're so full of toxicity that it blows your mind. And,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think about how much I had candles. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you get into even like a, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: a taxi or something, and they have one of those
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  Speaker 3: trees in there. And you're like, I'm the obnoxious, crunchy
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  Speaker 3: mama now. I have one of my group members here
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  Speaker 3: from the obnoxiously crunchy mama group.
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  Speaker 2: And they like send these things around.
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  Speaker 3: Like I roll down the window and I like get
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  Speaker 3: my head out the taxi window. It's like a dog
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  Speaker 3: or something just to get away from the fragrance.
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  Speaker 1: And I do that too. And I sort of hope
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  Speaker 1: that they take the hint because I don't want to ask.
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  Speaker 1: But there can be up to 3,000 chemicals used in
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  Speaker 1: fragrance without listing it. That was an astounding number to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's like 2,300 in diapers. Why do you need that
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  Speaker 3: many ingredients in diapers anyway?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Great point. 2,300.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: What products do you think parents tend to assume are
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  Speaker 1: most carefully regulated that would surprise them most?
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  Speaker 3: Baby stuff. I think all the baby stuff. And then
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  Speaker 3: you also learn, like I'm continuing to learn. I always
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  Speaker 3: feel like 100% cotton is definitely better than polyester, but
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  Speaker 3: now we're learning that pesticides are sprayed on cotton crops.
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  Speaker 3: And so they can be again, greenwashing organic, but they're
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily in there unless they're like got certified. And
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  Speaker 3: so there's like now all these like organic used to
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  Speaker 3: be the thing, but then people were abusing it.
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  Speaker 2: Now it has to be got certified.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, it's just like how far you
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  Speaker 3: have to go to make sure you're actually getting it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: And then someone that somewhere I read it, they were like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: actually polyester is better than some hundred percent cotton because
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: it's It's like children's socks. They did some tests on
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: children's socks and it was, they were so toxic. It was,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and that goes right through to your feet with all
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: those nerve endings.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It's just like, it's never ending.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: It feels like. I feel that way too. And, um,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons that I continuously go back
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to EWG and all the sources and resources they have
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: because it's all science-based. Okay. I really want to talk
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: about your advocacy, um, In the sense that it almost
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: feels like it had been bubbling in you all this time,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: even though you started as an actor. So many of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the roles that you've played have really been fighting for
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: people to be seen and to be heard. Brandon Tina
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: in Boys Don't Cry, Maggie Fitzgerald in Million Dollar Baby.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And I know that acting is not real life. I'm
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: not going.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: To be crazy. Well, one of those was a true story. Yeah.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: So it is kind of real life. I've told a
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: lot of real life stories.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: You're getting a little emotional.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I just am because I feel like I'm an underdog.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm the outsider in a lot of ways.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: And I love the outsiders and I love the underdogs
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: and I love rooting for them. And nothing inspires me
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: more than people who persevere through adversity. And I feel
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: like a lot of those characters do. And I love
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: people who nothing can hold them down. Like nothing's going
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: to hold them back. And I feel like, you know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: that's like the EWG. That's like Healthy Baby. That's like yourself.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: It's people who won't settle. And that just inspires me greatly.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And so to be a part of that, even in
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: my own little way, you know, just feels like an
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: honor and a privilege. And so it does make me
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: emotional because I feel like if everyone can just step
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: up and do something, then that's how we create a
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: lot of change together.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's been little. I think a lot
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of people have found inspiration through those films that you've made.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah. I certainly have.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I find inspiration from the characters, not my performance,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, by the characters that I've portrayed. Because,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: you know, being a storyteller I feel like is the
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: greatest gift in the world because I get to walk
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: in so many different people's shoes. And so I get
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to see through different eyes. And that to me has
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: blown open the blinders of how I walk through the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: world today. I think someone said, and it's so true,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: your perception is your reality, but that's your perception.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And it's not really reality, right?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And so when you get to see through other people's eyes,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: you get the opportunity to say, oh, I see a
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: different reality.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And that has just shaped me in so many ways,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: beautiful ways.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I do think that when you play a character for
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: three or four months when you're filming, they become a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: part of you in some way. And I've heard you
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: talk about carrying those people with you. Was acting your
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: way to advocate for them or did playing those characters
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: teach you how to advocate in your own way?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of both.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I think I'm definitely from the belief of live and
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: let live, love and let love. I don't think people's
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: way should be my way. And I think that's what
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: really makes life so colorful and so beautiful. And I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: think that when I read a story where Like I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: was talking about earlier, it's a very different way than
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I live my life.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I just find such beauty in it. So I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it's a two-hander.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Well said. My friends often that have kids tell me
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that parenting is like reparenting yourself.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: In many ways. Have you found that to be true?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And I think for me,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: being a parent who chose later in life has definitely... Yeah.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And so I can choose my children right now and
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I can give them and totally devote to them selflessly.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: But I also was able to do a lot of
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: work on myself. And I'm a very different parent now
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: than I would have been in my 20s and especially
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: my 30s. I mean, especially my 20s and also my
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: 30s because the amount of.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: When people say to me, what's the best parenting advice
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you can give me? I just say, do your work. Because.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: if I can have a calm nervous system, it, you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: they borrow from yours. And I also, they learn from you,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: not from your words, but from your actions. And I
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: would just want to break any, you know, past trauma
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and like, not like, let that be the past and
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: not carry that into my children. Of course, that's easier
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: said than done, but it's a lot, I think, easier
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: for me later in life than earlier.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Did someone have to validate you as a mom, so
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to speak? before you became one? Or did you do
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that yourself as you went?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that ties into your other question that
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you just asked, which I didn't fully answer, but it
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: was doing the work.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, doing the work.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And I think now, I think there was a lot
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of times in my 20s and my 30s when people
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: would say something like, oh, you should, you should, you shouldn't,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you should. And it becomes a part of what your
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: thought process is. And then you hit your 40s and
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you're like, no, I shouldn't.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Not really. I don't feel right for me. No. But
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's not just something you say. You really feel it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And you say, that's not right for me. I know
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: what's right for me. I've been with myself a long
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: time now. I've sat with myself.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I've done a lot of work.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Not to say I'm not still doing work. There's lots
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: of work to always be done.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: We're evolving. We're humans. We make mistakes. We grow.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, now people will say things and, you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I like constructive criticism, don't get me wrong, but then
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: there's other things that I'm like, oh, I don't need
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that to be a part of.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: My thought process.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. One of my favorite quotes is from Hillary Clinton,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and she said, take criticism seriously, not personally.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I think about that all the time.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That's really good. Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Because if you don't, you're also not willing to grow. Like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it's important to be able to hear different aspects and
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: points of views.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: So.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about EWG verified because the idea of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: being verified holds so much weight on the internet nowadays.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: That blue check means you're like approved, your credentials are
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: checked out-ish. And we pay so much attention to the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: labels on people, but we don't pay a lot of
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: attention to the labels on the products that we bring home.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Well pointed out.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You've had a lot of beautiful labels. actress, Oscar winner, mother, advocate,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: change maker, environmental champion. Do you want to add any?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Those are a lot.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Thank you for, I didn't know all that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: So thank you.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: What label do you think only shares a tiny part
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of your story?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Which one of those labels? Yeah. Share only a tiny part?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because you seem like such a full person. Like
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the fact that you live in the town you grew
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: up in. It was just so wonderful.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a pretty town. It's nature forward, and I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: all about nature.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel things strongly.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I'm very passionate. I lead with passion. I get fiery
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: for things I believe in. I believe in people. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: love people. I love what makes us similar. I love
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: what makes us different. And I just try and lead
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: with that every day. And if it comes with, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: hopefully a positive label.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Then that's wonderful.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: But it's definitely not, you know, I'm just, I just
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: want to be an advocate for good. So wherever I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: can do it, I just, I try.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Can we give her a round of applause? I just
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: want to honor that. I do.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Um, I feel like you're fighting for future generations and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: there's a few generations in this room today. What did
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: your mom teach you about the products that you brought home? Um,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: does your parents ever read labels?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: No, no. I mean that, no.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And you know, that's just a journey. I think we've
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: all started in my family, not, not that long ago.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: You know, my mom is very open-minded, thankfully. And I'll say, hey, mom,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, I don't know if you should be
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: using that. And I'll give her a lot of products
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: that I think that she should be using. And then
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: she's like, great, yeah, thank you. But, you know, it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: still not something that's totally top of mind for her
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: because it's just such a different generation. But when she
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: learns those things from me, she's definitely excited and wants
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: to do better. But, no, that wasn't something we did
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: when I was a kid. But I think there are
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: also a lot less bad things in products when I
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: was a kid. They were bad, but now there's like
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: exponentially worse.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I can imagine that becoming a mom has made you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: more intentional with your time and the projects you take on.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a big Yellow Jackets fan, so I was really
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: excited about your latest character. She may be a tougher
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: case for advocacy, but she must be fun to play.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Well, you know where she's an advocacy and where they
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: got me to get on the show is was talking
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: about trauma and how trauma informs us. And that is
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: an interesting topic to me because trauma, especially in your
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: really formative years, our brains don't develop fully till we're 25.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And so if you have severe trauma then, how does
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: that shape the rest of your world, the rest of
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: your life? And where do you find comfort? So if
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: you've found comfort in trauma, then you keep searching for trauma.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's an interesting conversation. And I think,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you know, we're in a kind of a real crisis
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: right now, a mental health crisis. And I feel like
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: those are definitely subjects to explore.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I do too.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Um, I think that yellow jackets has assembled sort of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like the nineties Avengers for women. When you walk into
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a cast with that much history and star power, what
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: does it bring out in you as an actor?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Um, gratitude because I'm like, you guys, I'm stepping into
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: something that's, you guys have done so great.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Like, thank you for, for paving, paving the way here.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: You know, it's already like well-loved and I just hope
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I don't mess it up.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: What does a project have to offer you now to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: make it worth your time?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that was, um, perfect for me.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Kind of the first thing back because it was in Vancouver,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: which is like my back door. And because it was
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: such a big cast, I didn't have to be on
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: set every single day. And I didn't want to go
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: back to work until my kids were a certain age.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: And so I did two episodes of the third season,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: and then it took a year off. My kids turned three,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and I went.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Back to work for the.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: No, this is not rapid fire.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So I told you I'm turning 36 in January, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I think about my own fertility all the time. I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: kind of look at the— ceiling blank at night at
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like 10 or 11 p.m. and start doing fertility math.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And a friend who's also a producer on the podcast
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: is the same. And when you announced yesterday, she said,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I wonder what her words would be to women who
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: want to have kids a little bit later in life.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Are you willing to share?
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I I think everyone's fertility journey is unique.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And I think, again, like I said earlier, people can
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: tell you, you know, this, that or the other. But
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: it's really important to go within and say, what does
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: it take for me to have a baby? Does it
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: mean you have to wait for a partner? Does it mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you know, you have to save money to freeze eggs?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Does it mean.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Adoption?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that what happens is we have
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: kind of, we can have a rigid idea of what
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: it looks like. And that could be based on, what
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: we've seen other people do or what we think.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Should be done.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: But oftentimes we're not actually looking within and saying, what
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: would be okay for me? What would that look like?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: And I think that that is very specific and it's,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: it's a very personal journey. And I think, um, it's
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: a very stressful and can be a very, hard.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It can be beautiful.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: It can be exhilarating, but it's, you know, both sides
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: are stressful. And so I think any way you can
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: mitigate stress, you hear it all the time, balance, balance, balance,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: but it's really true. You know, you can't, I mean,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: the drive that I had in my twenties and my
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: thirties and even in my forties, I mean, look, I'm
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: never going to give up. like my career, I love
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: my career, but just drive and whatever it is, just
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: like really looking at things and thinking intentionally about what your.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Future, what you want your future to look like. And
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: then making a choice to make that happen. Do you know?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: It's all I can really say because I don't want
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to say something like.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, you should do this. Oh, you should do that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You should do that because that might not be that
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: person's journey. And then they're like, oh, I got to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: do that. And then later like, oh, why did I
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: listen to that person?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: No shoulds.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: We'll try rapid fire.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I've never heard that before, but no shiz.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to use that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I've heard, I think Tony Robbins says you'll shiz all
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: over yourself.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's so good. Okay.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Is there a role that you would revisit?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Well, Million Dollar Baby, because it was just like, I was,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: can I? With Rapid Fire, can I expand?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'd love that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: We'd all love that.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: So I read the script and it was the most
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: perfect script I ever read. Paul Haggis just wrote such
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: a beautiful script. I remember I was living in New
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: York City and I was sitting in my office and
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I don't usually sit in like a chair like this.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I like get really comfortable and I don't sit all upright.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I started it and I just
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: kept going and I was like, oh my gosh, it
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: was such a page turner and it was word perfect.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And then I was 29. I was turning 30 the
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: day that it wrapped. Clint turned 74 the day we started.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: And I remember it being so bittersweet because I was like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it's never going to be this great again. And I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: don't ever say nevers. How'd you know that it was
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: never going to be that great again? Well, I don't
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: really know because I still hopefully have a long career
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: ahead of me and I will hopefully get other opportunities.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: But let me just say it's really rare when it
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: comes together that differently. like Clint and Morgan and that
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: script and the opportunity to challenge myself in that way.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Like, it's like, you know, it's just rare.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Push myself, like learn more about myself physically and like
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: what we're capable of and all of that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Like it was all, it was so many things.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: You changed physically too.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's just, and that's a passion of mine.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I really like that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Sometimes when I have like a battle to fight in
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: my mind or my heart, I try and do it
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in the gym first. It clicks.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It clicks.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: They always say to solve a problem, go into nature
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: and walk or just walk, like move your body because
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: then like energy clears.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should do rapid fire walking.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe we'd both be better at it. Okay, a former
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: character you'd let babysit your kids.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Wait, a former what? Character. That I'd let babysit my kids?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Not the Yellow Jackets one.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: You know what? Mary B. Cuddy. It's a movie that
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I did that a lot of people didn't see, The Homesman,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: because she was just like, she's the person.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: You want to know because she's like honest and does
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: it right. And you want your kids to be around
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: her because she's like good morals and ethics.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, the one item you don't read the label for.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I wish I could say I don't.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I craved Cheetos like crazy in my pregnancy. And I
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: was in that store and I saw those Cheetos looking
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: right at me. And I was like, I'm going to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: eat every single one of you.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: And I looked at that label and I went, no,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I didn't do it. And I had the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: total get out of jail free card. But I just couldn't.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: What willpower. It was. But then I found hippies. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I wasn't disappointed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So, um, I don't know. What do I not read?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: You know, well, we're in New York city and there's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this cookie place that has this vegan gluten-free cookie. I don't,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I don't, maybe someone in here knows it. Does anyone
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: know this cookie place I'm talking about? They're all over.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's a chain. I eat it and I, and I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: don't look.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Insomnia.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I don't look, but there's also, I don't think I'll
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: be able to look at the good thing.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Because I might not eat it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got you with the Cheetos, you could see.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Which could you pull off right now? A Karate Kid
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: kick or a Million Dollar Baby punch?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Punch.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think my legs are that flexible right now.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: That would be interesting, this pregnant.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You have always come off as just the most down-to-earth
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and grounded. If we could throw all of it out
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the window for a second, is there one thing you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: are high-maintenance about?
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: My labels.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Very. Oh, my gosh.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: You should hear people.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Like, I came out of the bathroom, there was no
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: drying things, and I came out with dripping hands. They're like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: there's a dryer in there.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, no.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Those dryers, they, like, put spores all over the place. Like, I'm...
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It's bad. I mean, people, my friends are like, Hillary. Like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: it's bad. I'm... Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It's rare that someone... shared something about toxins that I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: don't know. I did not know about the spores.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, spores everywhere.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: So they go up and then they open and they
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: get on your clothes. You go home, you sit on
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: your chair and it's on your chair.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: You breathe it in. It goes like deeper. Yeah. Does
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: everyone know about those dryers? You guys knew? Not everyone.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: It looks like maybe 50-50.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I usually shock people when I tell them don't touch receipts.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's bad.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: But the spores are really good.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But you know, Costco doesn't have those receipts. So if
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Costco doesn't have them, can't everyone else get the healthy paper?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: For real. I mean, how about that?
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Every time some kind person is checking me out and
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: they hand me the receipt, I'm like, oh, please don't
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: touch that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And they look at me like I'm crazy.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Just get some gloves.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It's a good thing to be high maintenance about.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I'm very high maintenance about it. But to the point
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: where really people are like, Hillary, you're killing me.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's harder to handle, an Oscar-winning director or three kids?
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Ty? Ty?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding. I don't have three kids, so I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Every woman that I have interviewed who has won an
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Oscar will behind the scenes look at me and be like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you have no idea what directors are like.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: You know, they're very specific. They're just specific.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: But I like specificity, so it works for me. I'm like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: why didn't you tell me that, that I look like
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: that when I did that scene?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, who would last longer in yellow jackets in the wilderness,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you or your husband?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, my husband. Yeah, my husband. No, like I am
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: good until I get.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Hungry and then I'm not good anymore. And that's even
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: when I'm not pregnant.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: What is the least Hollywood thing about you?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That I mostly wear my dad's sweatpants and flannels.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: That's so cute. Does he know that?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It's like he's hugging me. My dad's not here anymore.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so special that you wear him on you.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love him.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I get a hug from my dad
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: all the time wearing his clothes.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: What motherhood move of yours deserves an Oscar?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: That I found a healthy diaper.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: That's a big one.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Right? That's a big one.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And then advocated and made it more popular.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: For all the other babies.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Your on-set trailer must have, besides Cheetos maybe.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where I annoy people too. Because I'm like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: is that organic oat milk? You know, is that? I'd
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: have all the things.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Do you have to clean my trailer with vinegar water
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: and hypochloric acid, please?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: They're like, wait, what? I'm like, yeah, no, no, throw that. Oh,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that has scent in it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: That's pretty. That falls into the labels.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: When I find a clean product, an EWG verified clean
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: product that I love, I shout it from the rooftop.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Because I get really excited when something works well.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Is there a verified lotion or soap or scent or
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: anything that you love to share with people?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, for reasons. It's my new favorite. All different types
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: of shampoos for all different hair types. None of the
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: bad things in it. And they just, I don't know
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: if they've had it all the time, but they also
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: have a body wash and a cream that I just found.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, a book that changed your life. Something you think
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: everybody should read.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I'm really bad with titles, but.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: It was, it was a parenting book. Um, how to
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: deal with your shit. So your kids don't have to
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Eli Harwood.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like a big saying person. And my mom always
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: says lessons are caught, not taught.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Since they're caught, not taught. Yeah. You have to experience
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: it in order to learn.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Kids will look at you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: They learn from what you do. No, you know what?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I actually just shared this with someone. I just read
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: something that was so beautiful.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Um, And it's where in life do we stop thinking
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that like saying kind things to ourself are egotistical? Like where,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: when do we say, oh, if I say I'm beautiful,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: like that's arrogant.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Yet to our kids,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: we're like, you know, you say, I am strong. I
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: am beautiful. I'm clever.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: And you want them to instill that in them. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: there was this mom that said, because your kids don't
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: learn from your words, they learn from your actions. I
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: started saying things like when I solve something, I am
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: so clever.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I did that. And they look in the mirror and
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, so beautiful. Or, you know, I love myself.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: And just, but she said she felt so awkward. Like
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: she felt like, I can't believe I'm doing but then
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: her she saw her kids start being like going I'm
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: clever I solved that you know and looking in the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: mirror going I'm beautiful I love you and I just
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: thought you know Where do we stop doing that and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: thinking that that's not okay?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: What great advice. Thank you for sharing.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't come from me. It came from that
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: other great mom. But that's the other thing. Like the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: more we share, right?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, two left. One thing every woman should try once.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: The first thing that came to your head.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that came to my head was like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: quieting other people's voices it did and then I was
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: like I've already said that a million times but it
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: just it is yeah you know I just think we're
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: so trivialized and objectified from such a young age that
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you have to quiet other people's voices in order to
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: find your authentic self.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Amazing okay if you will grab the question everything card
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: game pick whichever one calls to you.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Okay you guys want to do this too do we
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: should we all pick a card yeah Okay. This, this, this, this,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: this one. Okay. Oh, what's your all-time most memorable meal? Hippies? No,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Last night in the hotel room.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. When you're pregnant, like every meal.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: No, I just actually took a last little.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Adventure with my kids before having this baby, like a
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: last as the four of us.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And we went on a train ride and it was
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: an overnight train ride. And the meal was so glorious.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I was like, how?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: On the train?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: It was exquisite. I was going, mmm, every bite, which
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: now I know why my son does that. He's so good.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Mmm.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where'd he get that? And then I was
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: on the train going, mmm, so good. I was like, oh, me.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Well, the longer the mmms, the more delicious it is.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Mmm.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: My son also dances. He starts eating and he goes,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: when he feels sated, it's so adorable.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: That's how you know the meal is really good.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Hilary, thank you for your heart and for your advocacy
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and for putting good things into the world. Thank you.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's a domino effect, and we all really
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: appreciate you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Ditto. So thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks, everyone,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: for being here. Thank you. Really appreciate it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And thank you to EWG.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: day to have a good day. I'll see you next
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: week