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Credlin | 5 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia. Hello and welcome
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Speaker 1: to the program. I'm James Morrow, filling in for Peter
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Speaker 1: Kredlin tonight and throughout the week. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 1: this evening, mounting talk that Parliament will go back Earl
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Speaker 1: Amid demands at nee Albanesi call that World Commission Australia
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Speaker 1: is demanding plus the childcare squeeze. Labor loves daycare, but
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Speaker 1: parents are crying out for more choice. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: talk to one of those parents a little bit later
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Speaker 1: on in the program, and Sophie Elswith joins me from London.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to want to miss this with the
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Speaker 1: latest on cair starmer and that Swiss nightclub disaster. But first,
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Speaker 1: events are moving fast in Venezuela and around the world
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Speaker 1: in the wake of US President Donald Trump's move to
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Speaker 1: unseat the dictator Nicholas Maduro from power in Caracas, not
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Speaker 1: only striking a blow for human rights and against the
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Speaker 1: drug trade, but reasserting America's long held right to tell
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Speaker 1: Russia and China that they have no business interfering in
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Speaker 1: the Western Hemisphere. Soon I'll be joined by a former
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Speaker 1: Columbian ambassador to the US, whose own country under new
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Speaker 1: left wing governance, I should make clear, is also now
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Speaker 1: in the White House's sites.
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Speaker 2: But before we.
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Speaker 1: Get to that, we also need to have a deep
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Speaker 1: dive into the reactions to Trump's strike and why so
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Speaker 1: many of the so called peace protesters who suddenly spontaneously
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Speaker 1: appeared on the streets with suspiciously pre printed placards are
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Speaker 1: not really on the side of peace or the Venezuelan
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Speaker 1: people at all. Instead, they are what the late Vladimir
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Speaker 1: Lenin famously called a century ago useful idiots. I mean,
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Speaker 1: just look at some of these people. Here are some
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Speaker 1: protesters in Portland, Oregon, just furious that Nicholas Duro has
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Speaker 1: been deposed straight out of Central casting. Meanwhile, in Mexico City,
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Speaker 1: this chap decided to take out his anger on Maduro's
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Speaker 1: behalf by chucking eggs at the American Embassy. You know,
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Speaker 1: thanks to Moduro's it probably would have taken your average
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Speaker 1: Venezuela in three weeks to buy that many eggs. Oh
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Speaker 1: and look at this from where else? Seattle, Washington and
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Speaker 1: Za that as well, Panza then as well, Glad President Madiu.
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Speaker 3: Leal.
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's your American left in a nutshell. Right there,
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Speaker 1: a dude in a skirt yelling in defense of an
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Speaker 1: anti American narco terrorist drug dealer. What did I say
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Speaker 1: about before about useful idiots? Anyway, for my money, I'd
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Speaker 1: much rather hear from actual Venezuelans, particularly the eight million, yes,
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Speaker 1: eight million, Venezuelans who have fled the regime of Nicholas Maduro,
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Speaker 1: successor to Hugo Chavez, and who never thought they would
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Speaker 1: see the day their oppressor was gone. Venezuelans like this
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Speaker 1: woman in Miami, Florida, home to a huge Venezuelan population.
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Speaker 1: Rus I also liked these Venezuelan exiles, who even saw
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Speaker 1: fit to fire up a little y m c A
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Speaker 1: in honor of Trump. These exiles aren't fans of the
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Speaker 1: communist sympathizers in the West who stick up for the
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Speaker 1: regime that brutalized them for so long. Check out the
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Speaker 1: reaction to this woman who tried to say a word
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Speaker 1: in favor of Maduro at a Venezuelan rally in Spain,
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Speaker 1: and back to the ustfel idiots. Well, this pro Maduro
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Speaker 1: type has no clue apparently what he's protesting about or
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Speaker 1: what to say, when confronted with evidence of Maduro's brutality,
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Speaker 1: why are they celebrated?
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Do you have a correspondent there who can ask I'm
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm demonstrating against I'm here demonstrating against US imperialism
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Speaker 4: and the.
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Speaker 2: Everybody.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: And you're the one showing me the video, so let
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Speaker 4: me know.
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Speaker 2: You're showing me the stores.
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: I don't think it's AI because it's being published by
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Speaker 7: multiple news organizations.
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Speaker 2: So just what are your thoughts on it?
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Speaker 4: A protests and escurialism and US capitalism.
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Speaker 1: God, you can almost smell them from here, thanks to
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Speaker 1: the Nate Friedman Show for that clip. But all right,
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Speaker 1: this is the moment of exaltation, and yes, let's enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: But of course, the big serious question, as always is
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Speaker 1: what comes next. Donald Trump and his Secretary of State
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio will quite rightly be judged swiftly on whether
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Speaker 1: they leave Venezuela an independent, prosperous democracy once again after
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Speaker 1: this strike, or if they see it swap one dictator
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Speaker 1: for another. Now, the Trump administration has taken a huge
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Speaker 1: gamble here, but you know what it is one that
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Speaker 1: I think is worthwhile, not just for the Venezuelan people,
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Speaker 1: but also for world peace. And that's why I think
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Speaker 1: it's important to note that as bad as Maduro's involvement
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Speaker 1: in the drug trade, which was the proximate excuse for
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Speaker 1: the raid, might be, the real key to what's happened
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Speaker 1: here is that Venezuela, which sits just on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the Caribbean Sea from the US, was becoming
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Speaker 1: increasingly tight with Iran, Russia, and China, as well as
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Speaker 1: the broader so called anti Western Bricks alliance of third
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Speaker 1: world countries. The real reason the US wanted Madua gone
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Speaker 1: was that he was increasingly tying Venezuela to dictatorships and
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Speaker 1: rivals like Iran, Russia, and China, which, despite sanctions, were
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Speaker 1: buying Venezuela's oil and providing military aid. In other words,
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Speaker 1: Maduro was giving all sorts of bad actors of base
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Speaker 1: on the US's doorstop. Trump finally said enough, as did
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Speaker 1: his Secretary of State Mark Rubio, shooting down claims that
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Speaker 1: all of this military action was just about oil. In
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Speaker 1: an interview with the American news program Meet the Press.
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Speaker 8: Need to take over the Venezuelan oil industry.
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Speaker 9: Well, we don't need to the first arm go back up.
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Speaker 9: We don't need Venezuela's oil. We have plenty of oil
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Speaker 9: in the United States. What we're not going to allow
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Speaker 9: is for the oil industry in Venezuela to be controlled
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Speaker 9: by adversaries.
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Speaker 5: Of the United States.
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Speaker 9: You have to understand, why does China need their oil,
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Speaker 9: Why does Russia need their oil, Why does Iron need
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Speaker 9: their oil. They're not even in this continent. This is
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Speaker 9: the Western Hemisphere. This is where we live, and we're
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Speaker 9: not going to allow the Western Hemisphere to be a
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Speaker 9: base of operation for adversaries, competitors and rivals of the
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Speaker 9: United States.
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Speaker 1: Now, Antie Trump commentators and protesters may not get this fact,
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Speaker 1: but Rubio is simply saying what ordinary Venezuelans also have
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Speaker 1: been saying on the streets.
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Speaker 6: Lepiotaetam fore.
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Speaker 1: For petrolrigueza.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: They worth there for the recipes, and in the cold
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Speaker 1: real politique of power, you would rather be tied to
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Speaker 1: the US than Russia or China. So the main question now,
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Speaker 1: of course, is where does all of this go. Well,
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Speaker 1: what's happened here is of course bad for countries like China,
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Speaker 1: which loses a source of oil, as well as Iran
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Speaker 1: in Russia, who have lost a geostrategic partner on America's doorstep. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: Maduro's fall also comes amid a wave of freedom breaking
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Speaker 1: out in the Middle East, with the Ayatolas regime and
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Speaker 1: Iran said to be on the ropes, even reportedly now
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Speaker 1: mulling over a plan to fly the Mullas out to
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Speaker 1: Moscow if things get too hot. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 1: the Trump administration says they are going to control Venezuela,
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Speaker 1: but with Maduro's vice president Delsi Rodriguez technically at the helm. Now,
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Speaker 1: I am told that the plan right now is to
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Speaker 1: keep Rodriguez normally in control, to keep the country from
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Speaker 1: spiraling into chaos in preparation for later elections. That is
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Speaker 1: to say, Rodriguez is a tool of control, not the
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Speaker 1: center of power. Now this is a big bet. But
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Speaker 1: as the disastrous aftermath of the overthrow of Saddam Hushin showed,
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Speaker 1: not having a plan for day two after this sort
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Speaker 1: of military action is a recipe for failure. Yet there
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Speaker 1: is something else that I think is just as true.
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Speaker 2: Despite all the.
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Speaker 1: Catterwauling of those who claim that this was a violation
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Speaker 1: of international law, whatever that is, and that Maduro should
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Speaker 1: never have been touched. Well, I have to ask the question,
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Speaker 1: what is the alternative? I mean, this is the the
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Speaker 1: question I can never get a straight answer to for
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Speaker 1: any of these international law types unless their answer is
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Speaker 1: that we are to let the West continue to be
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Speaker 1: hamstrung by its own rules, which it forces itself to
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Speaker 1: obey at the same time losing power and influence and
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Speaker 1: control all the while when the only thing our enemies
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Speaker 1: and adversaries and rivals understand is force.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's kick things off.
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Speaker 1: Here a huge night of the news. Here we got
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Speaker 1: to bring on our first panel. Joining me now is
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Speaker 1: Sky News contributor Louise Roberts and former Speaker of the
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Speaker 1: House Brahmin Bishop. Great to have you both with me tonight, ladies,
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Speaker 1: and I want to have a look at how our
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Speaker 1: politicians have reacted to the capture of Nicholas Maduro. Prime
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Speaker 1: Mister Anthony Albanzi has, in typical fashion, called for dialogue
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Speaker 1: and diplomacy, and I guess we can both be glad
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Speaker 1: that Penny wongden call for restraint there, while the Greens
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Speaker 1: have demanded the Albanza government cut ties with the US,
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Speaker 1: describing Manuro's address arrest as a kidnapping by Trump and
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Speaker 1: a gross breach of international law. Here's what Korea's defense
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Speaker 1: spokesman David Shubridge had to say.
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Speaker 6: The United States attack on Venezuela, the kidnap meaning of
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Speaker 6: its president, is a gross breach of international law. Unless
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Speaker 6: Australia and like minded countries speak out, it emboldens these
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Speaker 6: kinds of actions.
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Speaker 1: Louis is putting aside the hilarious idea of the Greens
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Speaker 1: having a defense spokesperson, you know, because we know there
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Speaker 1: are real militaristic bunths there. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: this topsy turvy inverting of reality and the American relationship.
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Speaker 3: Well, I find that is something profoundly warped about the Greens,
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Speaker 3: who are aligning themselves with Russia, China and Iran against
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Speaker 3: the US. I mean, to them, the real danger is
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Speaker 3: America enforcing consequence is not what actually has been happening
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Speaker 3: in Venezuela, the electoral fraud, the murderous drug trade, the
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Speaker 3: eight million plus refugees that you referenced earlier. So they're
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Speaker 3: completely out of touch with what mainstream Australians are thinking
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Speaker 3: anyway on this issue, which is supportive of what Trump
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Speaker 3: has done to try and clean up what's happened in Venezuela.
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Speaker 3: So to sort of use it as an excuse to
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Speaker 3: try and get US bases out of Australia and be
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Speaker 3: very anti US, it's just fatuous in my ball.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's completely fatuous. But Prior and Bishop too. He
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Speaker 1: just talked about international law and we know that when
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Speaker 1: it comes to things that are fatuous, this whole concept
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Speaker 1: of international law is right up there. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: does this international law mean when it means that people
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Speaker 1: like Maduro and the Ayatollas can go about their tyranny unmolested.
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Speaker 10: Well, the bottom line is this. We've had a mealy
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Speaker 10: mouthed response from the government Malbournisi, as you'd expect because
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Speaker 10: this man is not a leader. And then you've got
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Speaker 10: the green to almost a fifth column, aren't they, So
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Speaker 10: you expect them to be anti Australian, anti the West,
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Speaker 10: anti United States. They never care about this country at all,
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Speaker 10: so they deserve to be sideline pushed away. But the
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Speaker 10: most important thing is this, the Munro Doctrine eighteen twenty
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Speaker 10: three President Munroe said, this is the Western hemisphere. Europe
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Speaker 10: get out and will stay out of European affairs. Theodore
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Speaker 10: Roosevelt nineteen oh five, he gives his corollary, which means
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Speaker 10: you can now use force to keep people out of
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Speaker 10: trying to colonize all set up influence in the Western Hemisphere,
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Speaker 10: which of course takes in Latin America. So then Trump
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Speaker 10: comes along and you can say this is his corollary.
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Speaker 10: He's saying, these people are committing against the United States
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Speaker 10: offensive acts by sending in drugs, by giving a base
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Speaker 10: to China and Russia and Iran, and we're not going
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Speaker 10: to have it. Therefore, we will use force, as Roosevelt
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Speaker 10: said back in ninety oh five, and we will go
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Speaker 10: in and we will make sure that the Western hemisphere,
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Speaker 10: which is our backyard, is going to be a safe
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Speaker 10: place to be. And that's what he's going to keep doing.
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Speaker 10: And if they knock up in Venezuela, we'll be back
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Speaker 10: in there again. Columbia will take Heed. Mexico, corrupt as
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Speaker 10: it is, will take Heed. So I think we're seeing
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Speaker 10: a very interesting time. Trump, in my view, is determined
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Speaker 10: to get everything around in two years before the midterms,
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Speaker 10: and we can.
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Speaker 1: Only hope that Cuba comes next to along with all
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Speaker 1: of that brand when now other news too, of course,
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Speaker 1: because we've got this massive controversy over this royal commission
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Speaker 1: that Anthony Albanzi seems to be the last Australian who
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to call this thing. We've seen everybody else,
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Speaker 1: from sporting leaders to business leaders to even people on
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Speaker 1: the labor side of politics, say it is time to
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Speaker 1: have a royal commission into antisemitism in what happened in Bondai.
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Speaker 1: At Bondai a few weeks ago. Now Parliament may be
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Speaker 1: recalled early, after Anthony Albanize had previously rebuffed demands to
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Speaker 1: sit in the immediate wake of the Bondai terror attack.
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Speaker 1: Bron I want to go to you first of all,
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Speaker 1: just on the ca this being a former Speaker of
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Speaker 1: the House. So some talk that January nineteenth might be
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Speaker 1: the date. There's definite talk. I'm told that Susan Lay
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Speaker 1: and Anthony Albernezi did meet today and speak about this.
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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly when, but that's firming as a date.
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Speaker 1: How hard is it to bring back parliament and does
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Speaker 1: it need to be done for this purpose?
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Speaker 10: Yes, it does need to be done. It's quite easy
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Speaker 10: to do and everybody can get down there and then
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Speaker 10: you can have the legislation they're proposing. But most importantly,
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Speaker 10: I think Alban Easy has been polling like mad.
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Speaker 8: He knows he is on the nose.
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Speaker 10: He knows that there is no support for him, and
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Speaker 10: he's anti Royal Commission at all. So he's trying to
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Speaker 10: find a strategy where he comes back to Parliament he
15:43
Speaker 10: can try and get it back on the gun issue,
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Speaker 10: which is a just side issue that is not the
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Speaker 10: cause of what happened. So what we have to see
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Speaker 10: is why this government allowed anti Semitism to grow when
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Speaker 10: their actions right at the beginning with that demonstration on
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Speaker 10: the of the Opera House could have set the tone
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Speaker 10: that it would not be tolerated in this country and failed,
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Speaker 10: and then you have to look at all the things
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Speaker 10: that went. Now, they don't want their ministers having to
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Speaker 10: give evidence. They don't they want to be able to
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Speaker 10: choose who might have to talk to their inquiries. A
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Speaker 10: Royal commission will override all the government's wishes, and I
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Speaker 10: think he's trying to find a way if it all
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Speaker 10: goes pair shape, that he might be able to get
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Speaker 10: the Richardson report to say I think you need another
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Speaker 10: inquiry which can deep dive, and he might then call.
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Speaker 1: It indeed, but louis it just the excuses seem more
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Speaker 1: and more flimsy, you know, saying, oh, royal commission, it's
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Speaker 1: just going to be led by an old retired judge.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's casting aspersions on the very process that
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Speaker 1: Labor has relied on so many times in the past
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Speaker 1: when it comes to banking royal commissions other sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: Robodet that they've tried to hammer the coalition on the
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Speaker 1: hypocrisy here is op smacking.
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Speaker 3: And one of the most hypocritical things. And the points
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Speaker 3: that I think he makes is that it will somehow
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Speaker 3: by having a Royal commission, we will platform anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: in this country when it's already here and clearly ignoring
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Speaker 3: it has done nothing to destroy it or help our
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Speaker 3: Jewish community. So the fact that we want a commission,
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Speaker 3: he's saying again and again he doesn't want it, he
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Speaker 3: wants the review instead, he's naming these so called anonymous experts.
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Speaker 3: He've told him that he shouldn't have a Royal commission.
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Speaker 3: So it's just blocking, blocking, blocking.
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Speaker 8: All the time.
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Speaker 3: When you go out to the street and talk to
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Speaker 3: the average Australian about a royal commission, everybody wants it,
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Speaker 3: apart from the PM apparently.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, you know, we have today Olympic
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Speaker 1: swimming legend Don Frazier becoming the latest help profile Australian
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Speaker 1: to call for this royal commission, delivering a powerful speech
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Speaker 1: scathing of the Prime Minister. Here's a little bit of that.
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Speaker 3: And to you, Anthony Alberneathy, Tony Burke, Penny Wong, come down.
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Speaker 2: Off your high horse and stop trying to run for cover.
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Speaker 5: If the deuce community.
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Speaker 3: Is calling for a Royal commissioner, then do the right
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Speaker 3: thing by this community.
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Speaker 2: And that has toughened enough, Bronwin.
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Speaker 1: When Labor has lost Don Frasier, they've lost the argument,
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Speaker 1: haven't they.
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Speaker 10: People loved Dawn. I know Dawn well and have for
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Speaker 10: a long long time, and that was a passionate speech
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Speaker 10: that came right from the heart, and she wants to
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Speaker 10: see the right thing done. But Albanezy and his henchmen
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Speaker 10: Burke and Wong, they will try and try very hard
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Speaker 10: to push it away. But I do think in the
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Speaker 10: end it's going to be inevitable.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think you're right too. Let's move on though, too,
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Speaker 1: because there's another story here, Louis want to ask you
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Speaker 1: about here, the Australian National University. This is your taxpayer
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Speaker 1: dollars at work here, Folks has won nearly one and
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Speaker 1: a half million dollars in taxpayer funding again, your money
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Speaker 1: to conduct a four year research project in two and
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Speaker 1: yes it is that time of year again. Change the
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Speaker 1: date Australian Day, reconciliation and the politics of division with
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Speaker 1: the aim of advancy, reconciliation and promoting truth telling. Louise
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Speaker 1: I have visited and lived in a number of countries
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Speaker 1: over the years. I don't know a single country that
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Speaker 1: takes its national day and turns it into this absolute
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Speaker 1: opportunity for self flagellation every single here. Why are taxpayer
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Speaker 1: dollars funding this?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think if you have to use taxpayer money
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Speaker 3: to convince us, the tax payer, that we're wrong about
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Speaker 3: when we want our own national day, you've already lost
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Speaker 3: the argument. We said no to the voice, we said
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Speaker 3: no in multiple polls. We don't want the date change
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Speaker 3: from January twenty six. So to use the money to
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Speaker 3: those means I think is absolutely disgraceful and just appealing
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Speaker 3: to an activist minority who won't listen to us. We've
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Speaker 3: said no, but they're like no, We're going to keep
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Speaker 3: at you and keep pushing and pushing until there's concession,
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Speaker 3: until we finally wake up one day and say, you
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Speaker 3: know what, let's go ahead with changing the date of
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Speaker 3: Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, brahmin doesn't this sort of this fight against Australia.
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Speaker 1: This has been decades in the making and this is
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Speaker 1: part of the reason why we're having so many debates
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Speaker 1: bent Australian culture and multiculturalism today, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: This is Fabianism in action, slow and gradually inculcate yourself
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Speaker 10: in Its symbol is the wolf in sheep's clothing, and
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Speaker 10: that's exactly what's happening. And I think maybe the time
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Speaker 10: is coming that we need some sort of oversight body
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Speaker 10: over these other bodies that doll out taxpayers money for
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Speaker 10: various types of research or doctrine inculcating programs. So I
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Speaker 10: think there's a serious argument to be had here, just
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Speaker 10: as there is with the multicultural argument, where we need
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Speaker 10: to have a strong policy position on assimilation. Indeed, if
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Speaker 10: we cannot go on wrecking this country and dividing this country.
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Speaker 10: We invite people here from many places to come and
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Speaker 10: have a wonderful country and a wonderful life, but you
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Speaker 10: assimilate into the values that are Australian.
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Speaker 1: Bronwin, Bishop Louise Robinson, thank you so much for your
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Speaker 1: time this evening. Welcome back, Kretelin. I'm James Morrow, filling
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Speaker 1: in all week. Great to be with you well. Ever
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Speaker 1: since Donald Trump's capture of Venezuelan strong man Nicholas Maduro,
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Speaker 1: we've heard a lot of talk about his actions being
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Speaker 1: against quote unquote international law, with the likes of say
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Speaker 1: celebrity barrister and darling of the tote bag set Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Robertson saying in the City Morning Herald that oh no,
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Speaker 1: the arrest violates all the norms that keep our world
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Speaker 1: so peaceful.
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Speaker 2: But is that really so?
21:37
Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this and more, as John Heinrager,
21:40
Speaker 1: a brilliant lawyer himself and president of the Center for
21:43
Speaker 1: the American Experiment in Minnesota. John, thanks so much for
21:46
Speaker 1: joining me here in Happy New Year. You've noted on
21:49
Speaker 1: your brilliant power Line blog that democrats have all adopted
21:53
Speaker 1: the same script about the seizure of Madua being quote
21:57
Speaker 1: unlawful and unwise. But John, tell me about this international
22:02
Speaker 1: law argument that they're running. I feel like this is
22:05
Speaker 1: more of a politics than the law.
22:07
Speaker 11: What do you reckon, James, It is one hundred percent politics.
22:11
Speaker 11: During the presidential campaign in twenty twenty, Joe Biden accused
22:16
Speaker 11: Donald Trump of being soft on Maduro, and Biden said
22:19
Speaker 11: he was going to be tough on maduam. Of course
22:21
Speaker 11: he did nothing at all. The democratic position on the
22:25
Speaker 11: use of military force depends entirely on who is in
22:29
Speaker 11: the White House. The overnight raid to pick up Nicholas
22:33
Speaker 11: Maduro was nothing compared to the bombing of Libya which
22:38
Speaker 11: led to the overthrown death of Marmar Kadaffi, which the
22:41
Speaker 11: Obama administration carried out, But nearly all the Democrats were
22:45
Speaker 11: fine with that. So it really is a political question
22:49
Speaker 11: of who is in the White House when it comes
22:51
Speaker 11: to approving of the use of force.
22:53
Speaker 1: And John I wanted to also just interrogate this point
22:56
Speaker 1: about international law a bit more as well, because there's
23:00
Speaker 1: idea that you know, somehow this is a violation of
23:02
Speaker 1: norms states shouldn't invade other states. But the Trump administration
23:06
Speaker 1: they have a case. They say that this was really
23:08
Speaker 1: a criminal indictment. That's why we saw Maduro frog marched
23:12
Speaker 1: by guys with DEA badges on their arms into the
23:16
Speaker 1: courthouse earlier today. Where does this whole international law argument
23:21
Speaker 1: stack up, Because as far as I'm concerned, the international
23:24
Speaker 1: law crowd has no answer about what to do about
23:26
Speaker 1: somebody like Maduro.
23:28
Speaker 5: Well, James, that's right.
23:29
Speaker 11: I mean, arguably, there's really no such thing as international
23:32
Speaker 11: law because there's no one there to enforce it. And
23:35
Speaker 11: there certainly is no principle of international law that says
23:38
Speaker 11: that a narco terrorist dictator is immune from any accountability
23:44
Speaker 11: as long as he stays in the country that he
23:46
Speaker 11: runs and among the people that he terrorizes. And Necholas
23:50
Speaker 11: Maduro was indicted in the United States and has now
23:54
Speaker 11: been arrested and has been brought to the US to
23:56
Speaker 11: stand trial.
23:58
Speaker 5: That is a legal proceeding.
23:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed.
24:00
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, though you know, talking about other Democrats reaction,
24:04
Speaker 1: I love this here. Kamala Harris, who could very well
24:08
Speaker 1: have been the President of the United States right now
24:11
Speaker 1: and presumably would have left Madua in Power has posted
24:14
Speaker 1: on x writing that the president is putting troops at risk,
24:18
Speaker 1: spending billions, destabilizing a region, and offering no legal authority,
24:22
Speaker 1: no exit plan, and no benefit at home. But I
24:26
Speaker 1: thought this was particularly hipocritical here, John, because, as you
24:30
Speaker 1: know you alluded to, before the Biden administration and with
24:33
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris as vice president, approved a twenty five million
24:37
Speaker 1: dollar bounty for Maduro's arrest just days before they left office.
24:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right.
24:45
Speaker 11: The Biden State Department increased the reward that was being
24:49
Speaker 11: offered for information leading to the capture and arrest of
24:53
Speaker 11: Nicholas Maduro to twenty five million dollars. That looks to
24:56
Speaker 11: me like Donald Trump maybe eligible to claim that rewards.
25:00
Speaker 11: So it's total hypocrisy. And you know, everything that Kamalajara
25:04
Speaker 11: said in that tweet was wrong.
25:06
Speaker 5: There were no.
25:06
Speaker 11: Troops harmed, there were no billions spent. The region is
25:10
Speaker 11: going to be more stable with Venezuela no longer an
25:14
Speaker 11: ally of Russia and China and Iran. The legal authority
25:18
Speaker 11: for the arrest is the federal indictment in the Southern
25:21
Speaker 11: District of New York. And far from not having an
25:25
Speaker 11: exit plan. The troops have already exited, so I think
25:28
Speaker 11: that this is a brilliantly executed operation. And I think
25:32
Speaker 11: that American security is going to be greatly enhanced by
25:35
Speaker 11: not having a hostile country collaborating with our enemies right
25:40
Speaker 11: across the Caribbean from US.
25:42
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing, John, I mean everybody who
25:44
Speaker 1: says international law and you can't use force. But as
25:48
Speaker 1: with the law, you know at a state level or
25:50
Speaker 1: a federal level, law needs force behind it to be enforced.
25:54
Speaker 1: Isn't there a very strong case to be made that
25:56
Speaker 1: if you do believe in a stable international order, taking
26:00
Speaker 1: out bad actors like Maduro when they need to go
26:04
Speaker 1: is actually a way to preserve peace, not undermine it.
26:09
Speaker 5: Well, I think that is exactly right, James.
26:11
Speaker 11: And who else is going to hold someone like Nicholas
26:14
Speaker 11: Maduro accountable? His own people would love to do it,
26:17
Speaker 11: but they can't. He's got them under his heel. The
26:20
Speaker 11: United Nations is great at making high sounding pronouncements, but
26:24
Speaker 11: they have absolutely no ability to do anything about an
26:29
Speaker 11: autocratic dictator like Maduro. He's not just a dictator but
26:32
Speaker 11: a narco terrorist, as he has officially been indicted in
26:37
Speaker 11: the Federal Court in the United States.
26:39
Speaker 1: Indeed, John Heinrich, we're gonna have to leave with you.
26:42
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. As always in
26:44
Speaker 1: a very happy New Year to you there in Minnesota.
26:47
Speaker 5: Happy New Year, James.
26:49
Speaker 1: Well, after the break Labour's new childcare plan is it
26:52
Speaker 1: all is pracked up to be? We'll be speaking to
26:54
Speaker 1: somebody who says maybe not after the break. Welcome back
27:02
Speaker 1: to Kreedlin. I'm James Morrow, filling in tonight and through
27:05
Speaker 1: the rest of the week. Let's return out to Australian politics.
27:08
Speaker 1: Today marks the start of Labor's brand new three day
27:12
Speaker 1: free childcare per week day per week guarantee. The government
27:16
Speaker 1: says it's going to further expand the program in the
27:18
Speaker 1: near future. But the question is does offering free daycare
27:22
Speaker 1: really make a big difference to families who might need
27:26
Speaker 1: much more flexible arrangements. Joining me now to discuss this
27:30
Speaker 1: is Childcare Choice spokesperson and parrot herself, Jen Fleming. Jen,
27:35
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me on the program tonight.
27:38
Speaker 1: Tell for people who maybe don't have kids, who aren't
27:41
Speaker 1: quite in the childcare world at this stage of their lives,
27:44
Speaker 1: what exactly Labor is promising and what they've revealed, what
27:48
Speaker 1: they have started today, and why this is deficient for
27:53
Speaker 1: so many parents out there who have busy, complicated lives
27:58
Speaker 1: where both parents work, where they're maybe other circumstances and
28:02
Speaker 1: maybe this guarantee of just three days uniform institutional daycare
28:07
Speaker 1: isn't the best thing for them.
28:10
Speaker 7: Hi, James, thank you for having me and for having
28:12
Speaker 7: this really important conversation. You are right, and I think
28:16
Speaker 7: the first point we really need to tackle here is
28:18
Speaker 7: that this doesn't actually guarantee care. What it guarantees is
28:22
Speaker 7: that if you can access a childcare center for an
28:25
Speaker 7: additional three days, or you want to use a childcare center,
28:29
Speaker 7: then you are eligible for this seventy two hours minimum
28:32
Speaker 7: of care. But for a lot of families, we know
28:36
Speaker 7: that the childcare system is broken, it is hard to access,
28:40
Speaker 7: it is expensive, and families are rightly losing trust in
28:44
Speaker 7: the quality and the safeguards that are in place. And
28:47
Speaker 7: what the government today has done is ultimately remove the
28:50
Speaker 7: activity test. So prior to today, families needed to be working, studying,
28:55
Speaker 7: or volunteering to be able to access subsidized childcare for
28:59
Speaker 7: their children. That has ultimately been removed, costing Australians around
29:03
Speaker 7: four hundred and thirty million dollars of taxpayer money over
29:07
Speaker 7: the next four years to an already multi billion dollar system.
29:12
Speaker 7: But it doesn't give families what they need, and that
29:14
Speaker 7: is the flexibility and the choice and the options to
29:17
Speaker 7: be able to pick the care that is best for
29:19
Speaker 7: their kids.
29:20
Speaker 1: And so what you're advocating then, if I'm understanding it right,
29:24
Speaker 1: is that instead of funding going to childcare space, is
29:26
Speaker 1: funding go to children for that for their parents to
29:30
Speaker 1: be able to use that in whatever sort of approved
29:33
Speaker 1: childcare setting, whether it's daycare or something else that works
29:37
Speaker 1: for them.
29:39
Speaker 7: Yeah. And I think speaking as a mum, we're told
29:42
Speaker 7: that the only place our children can learn is in
29:45
Speaker 7: an early education facility, which is a childcare center, a
29:49
Speaker 7: great marketing plot for childcare centers, but we know as
29:52
Speaker 7: parents that our kids also can learn adequately and really well.
29:57
Speaker 7: With us and us being told by the government the
29:59
Speaker 7: only place they can learn and the only place they'll
30:01
Speaker 7: develop is it a childcare center makes us feel like
30:04
Speaker 7: bad parents and like we're making the wrong decision and
30:07
Speaker 7: the government ultimately has no right to do that. What
30:10
Speaker 7: the government should be doing is seeing the benefit that
30:14
Speaker 7: kids have when they're seen as individuals. And anyone with
30:17
Speaker 7: children knows that, whether you had children forty fifty years
30:21
Speaker 7: ago or you've just had your first baby this week,
30:24
Speaker 7: that every child is different and what makes them special
30:27
Speaker 7: is the fact that they're different. Right now, the government
30:31
Speaker 7: is saying that the only care that they will see
30:34
Speaker 7: as being adequate and as approved is a childcare center,
30:38
Speaker 7: and anyone with children will know that that might not
30:40
Speaker 7: work for their kids. It doesn't work for fifoux workers,
30:43
Speaker 7: It doesn't work for shift workers, It doesn't work for
30:46
Speaker 7: people who live rurally or remotely. It doesn't work for
30:49
Speaker 7: families who have a child with a disability, or maybe
30:52
Speaker 7: are immunocompromised, or have a family member who's immunocompromised. It
30:57
Speaker 7: also doesn't work for mums who want to stay home
30:59
Speaker 7: for longer and can do need to breastfeed. So this
31:01
Speaker 7: system is ultimately letting families down because it is not
31:05
Speaker 7: recognizing that what makes Australian families great is that we
31:09
Speaker 7: are all different and we do need different care models
31:11
Speaker 7: for our kids.
31:12
Speaker 1: And Jen, I mean something you just said there really
31:14
Speaker 1: struck me there about that about you know, mothers who
31:17
Speaker 1: want to or fathers for that matter. You know, let's
31:20
Speaker 1: be let's be you know, open about that, and you know, bipartisan.
31:25
Speaker 1: But but you know, the point is there that this
31:29
Speaker 1: is something that gets kids away from their parents very
31:32
Speaker 1: early on, and it seems to treat parents, you know,
31:35
Speaker 1: less as parents and more as cogs in an economic
31:37
Speaker 1: machine and that you know, the most responsible thing that
31:40
Speaker 1: they can do. There's some text to it, seems to
31:42
Speaker 1: be to me to say, look, go back to work,
31:45
Speaker 1: you know, drive the GDP whatever that's doing these days,
31:48
Speaker 1: and put your kids in childcare. Well, they will be
31:51
Speaker 1: taught by people who, let's be frank, you know, we've
31:55
Speaker 1: had some issues with that in recent years.
31:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think you're right, and you've touched on
32:01
Speaker 7: so many issues. This conversation really could go so many ways.
32:04
Speaker 7: There are a couple of points to highlight there. Firstly,
32:07
Speaker 7: you are right, there is not evidence to suggest that
32:10
Speaker 7: an early education center is the best place for children,
32:13
Speaker 7: particularly in that first one thousand days of life zero
32:16
Speaker 7: to two and even arguably zero to three. We know
32:19
Speaker 7: what happens with brain development. Actually really makes a stronger
32:23
Speaker 7: argument that children should be in a one on one
32:25
Speaker 7: care situation. But the other side to that, James, That's
32:29
Speaker 7: really important is we shouldn't be guilty mums because they've
32:32
Speaker 7: been forced and dads, as you say, because we've been
32:35
Speaker 7: forced into this system. Families right now are bending themselves
32:39
Speaker 7: backwards trying to fit into this system because everything is
32:43
Speaker 7: so expensive, and we live in a time where seven
32:46
Speaker 7: in ten families have both parents working. So yes, we
32:50
Speaker 7: know that children are arguably, for the most part, better
32:54
Speaker 7: at home with their parents or with a one on
32:56
Speaker 7: one trusted caregiver. But for so many families that is,
33:01
Speaker 7: it's expensive and it's not possible to afford right now,
33:05
Speaker 7: and the only subsidized care model they have is a
33:07
Speaker 7: childcare center. So they use that option, probably not because
33:11
Speaker 7: they want to, but because it is the only way
33:13
Speaker 7: that they can pay their rent, pay their mortgage, keep
33:16
Speaker 7: food on the table, and continue living their lives.
33:19
Speaker 1: And yet you speak to so many young parents, I
33:21
Speaker 1: speak to them all the time, and they all see
33:23
Speaker 1: that they feel like they're going backwards, if only barely
33:26
Speaker 1: staying in place, being on their treadmill. Tell me, Jen,
33:29
Speaker 1: just quickly, why is labor so wedded to this one
33:33
Speaker 1: particular model.
33:37
Speaker 7: Well, I think it comes down to the fact that
33:39
Speaker 7: this model has been built to benefit businesses, and it's
33:43
Speaker 7: been built by unions, and it's been built to unionize
33:46
Speaker 7: and industrialize a workforce. And that obviously is something that
33:50
Speaker 7: the Labor Party are known to do. It is their
33:52
Speaker 7: bread and butter policy. Where it goes wrong and where
33:55
Speaker 7: the flaw in that is is that what this system
33:59
Speaker 7: as we're talking about childcare, it's about children. It's about
34:03
Speaker 7: our youngest, most vulnerable, most precious community members. And at
34:07
Speaker 7: the moment, they're being seen as dollar signs. They're not
34:10
Speaker 7: being seen as the individuals that they are, and they're
34:14
Speaker 7: not being able their parents are not being able to
34:16
Speaker 7: have the care that that individual child needs because we're
34:19
Speaker 7: being forced into this one size fits all system that
34:22
Speaker 7: doesn't fit us as families, and it doesn't fit such
34:25
Speaker 7: a large number of families across Australia, but the government
34:28
Speaker 7: is not giving us a choice.
34:30
Speaker 1: Jenn Fleming, we're gonna have to leave it there. Thank
34:32
Speaker 1: you so much for your time. But here's a little
34:33
Speaker 1: tip everybody and check out tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. She's got
34:37
Speaker 1: a fantastic up ed breaking down a lot more of
34:39
Speaker 1: these issues now stick around, though, because after the break, yes,
34:43
Speaker 1: more chaos as a Victorian Liberal Party. You wouldn't read
34:46
Speaker 1: about it, but you're going to hear about it here.
34:47
Speaker 1: Sam Gross shark resignation plus fresh data claims that renewables
34:54
Speaker 1: have driven power prices down. But really is that the
34:57
Speaker 1: full story?
34:58
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure.
35:00
Speaker 1: Chat about it after the break. Welcome back to the panel.
35:05
Speaker 1: Great to be with you, James Borrow here for sitting
35:08
Speaker 1: in for Kredelin tonight. Here we've got our second panel
35:11
Speaker 1: for the evening. Another great pair, Nick Cater and Terry Barnes,
35:14
Speaker 1: you know them both very well. I want to bring
35:17
Speaker 1: in the panel here gentlemen, talk about what's going on
35:20
Speaker 1: down in Victoria. Here a bit more chaos in the
35:24
Speaker 1: Victorian Liberal Party. Sam Growth, Victorio's deputy opposition leader, has
35:29
Speaker 1: decided that he's going to retire at the state election.
35:34
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly why that's going on, but it
35:37
Speaker 1: is more controversy. And he said that the public pressure
35:41
Speaker 1: placed on my family in recent months has been significant
35:44
Speaker 1: and realizing that someone came from within my own party
35:47
Speaker 1: has been difficult to ignore. Terry Barnes from the Menzies
35:51
Speaker 1: Research Intitute and sorry Mensi's Research Center, Senior fellow. Nick
35:55
Speaker 1: Cator and Terry Barnes from The Spectator. Great to have
35:57
Speaker 1: you here, Terry, what do we know here about Sam Groth?
36:01
Speaker 1: I have seen some social media from people within the
36:03
Speaker 1: Victorian Liberal Party basically clapping him out the door. That
36:07
Speaker 1: seems like a very odd bit of behavior so close
36:10
Speaker 1: to an election.
36:10
Speaker 12: Terry Barnes, Well, well, certainly, James, it's a pretty strange situation.
36:15
Speaker 12: We're talking about a first term MP as well as
36:18
Speaker 12: the deputy leader basically walking out the door. And he
36:21
Speaker 12: endured some very tough times in terms vllegations that were
36:24
Speaker 12: thrown about him his wife.
36:27
Speaker 5: There is a defamation action that was resolved in his favor.
36:32
Speaker 12: But certainly I think it shows that the Victorian Liberal Party,
36:35
Speaker 12: at the parliamentary Victorian Liberal Party.
36:37
Speaker 5: Just not hasn't sorted itself out.
36:40
Speaker 12: I mean, yes, Sam Groth is a record holding speed
36:45
Speaker 12: server when it comes to tennis.
36:46
Speaker 5: But he certainly asked his own team today.
36:48
Speaker 12: But really they were firing balls at him in all
36:51
Speaker 12: directions ever since he became elected. And look, it's the
36:55
Speaker 12: factional show that happens down here in the Victorian Liberals.
36:59
Speaker 12: The concern it is in the moderates at each other
37:02
Speaker 12: and sam growth, a growth as a new MP and
37:06
Speaker 12: a new to politics came in in twenty twenty two.
37:08
Speaker 5: I just don't think he was ready for that.
37:11
Speaker 12: And I just think that it's showing that no matter
37:15
Speaker 12: what Jess Wilson, the new leader, has done, at a
37:17
Speaker 12: time when Victorians actually paying attention and listening to her
37:21
Speaker 12: and saying, oh, look there may be a chance of
37:23
Speaker 12: a change of government November, they go and shoot themselves
37:26
Speaker 12: and put again, and don't forget this is the second
37:28
Speaker 12: resignation day because the senior backbencher, former Minister Wendy.
37:31
Speaker 5: Lovell, has also pulled the bug.
37:33
Speaker 12: So all of a sudden the Liberals are starting to
37:35
Speaker 12: look chaotic, just business as usual as far as they're concerned.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Nick Cator, I mean, this isn't just a
37:41
Speaker 1: Victorian problem. Let's be frank here. There's problems in the
37:44
Speaker 1: New South Wales Parliamentary Party. There's problems federally with this
37:48
Speaker 1: whole fate between the moderates and the Conservatives, and particularly
37:51
Speaker 1: the moderates who sometimes seem I think frankly, much more
37:55
Speaker 1: interested in taking out Conservatives from their own rank than
37:59
Speaker 1: taking lear were governments out of power.
38:03
Speaker 2: I don't get it, James.
38:04
Speaker 13: I mean, I would have thought both the sides of
38:07
Speaker 13: the moderates and the conservatives or center right people in
38:11
Speaker 13: the party would both be united on one point.
38:14
Speaker 2: We have to get into government. And less than a
38:16
Speaker 2: year out now from an elector, you've.
38:19
Speaker 13: Got Jess Wilson there, who seems to be a pretty
38:21
Speaker 13: solid person, particularly on economics.
38:23
Speaker 2: She presents well, wouldn't you.
38:25
Speaker 13: Just say, okay, urier differences, let's just get behind Jess.
38:29
Speaker 13: Let's just bite our lips for the next year, and
38:32
Speaker 13: then we're going to get into government, because they should
38:33
Speaker 13: win government on paper, but of course it's very possible
38:37
Speaker 13: that they won't.
38:39
Speaker 1: Indeed, hey, gentlemen, also want to move on. I spoke
38:42
Speaker 1: earlier in the program about the useful idiots who are
38:45
Speaker 1: out there protesting in favor of Venezuela dictator or former
38:49
Speaker 1: dictator Nicholas Maduro, and we've had some action here in Sydney.
38:54
Speaker 1: Emergency protests have been mobilized across Australia in response to
39:00
Speaker 1: romp's action, and around two hundred and fifty protesters gathered
39:03
Speaker 1: in Sydney despite warnings from the police that the gathering
39:05
Speaker 1: was not authorized under the new police powers. Authorized following
39:09
Speaker 1: the Bondi attack. They were waving placards and said down
39:13
Speaker 1: with imperialism and US out of Latin America. Terry Barnes,
39:19
Speaker 1: This really feels almost like a back to the future
39:21
Speaker 1: kind of moment here, you know, with the Yankee go
39:22
Speaker 1: home sort of thing. But is there no dictator that
39:27
Speaker 1: the left will stooped to not stoop to supporting if
39:30
Speaker 1: they're anti American.
39:32
Speaker 5: Well, yes, you took words right out of my mouth.
39:35
Speaker 12: Actually, James, it's very back to the future, very nineteen sixties,
39:38
Speaker 12: isn't it. I mean you could see them sort of
39:40
Speaker 12: marching with their long hair and the hippie beads and everything. Certainly,
39:44
Speaker 12: certainly it's interesting it's the left here. I noticed Jeremy
39:49
Speaker 12: Corbyn in the UK. They're all rallying behind Madeiro, the Pennans,
39:53
Speaker 12: Violins themselves, the people of Venness Wuala.
39:55
Speaker 5: They seem absolutely delighted.
39:57
Speaker 12: He's been decapitated in a political sense. And certainly, I
40:01
Speaker 12: think whatever you think about the way that the Trump
40:04
Speaker 12: administration is handling this, and I think I've got questions
40:06
Speaker 12: about what happens now, and I think these are very
40:09
Speaker 12: important questions. The fact that he decided to act decisively
40:13
Speaker 12: against an all but communist dictator with ties to Cubea,
40:17
Speaker 12: ties to Russia, ties to China, and certainly very very
40:22
Speaker 12: anti American, and not not to mention those all those
40:25
Speaker 12: drugs that he's been running allegedly because he's now been charged.
40:30
Speaker 5: Really, I mean, what does the left have to do?
40:33
Speaker 12: I mean, they've got nothing to do in their holidays
40:35
Speaker 12: off well, except to actually do these protests.
40:38
Speaker 1: Well, nic I mean, it's pretty funny to me here too,
40:40
Speaker 1: because it feels like they've just, you know, shamelessly and
40:43
Speaker 1: very quickly pirouetted and pivoted. You know, first it was
40:46
Speaker 1: climate several years ago, and then it became Hamas and
40:50
Speaker 1: Palestine and free Gaza and all of that stuff. And now,
40:53
Speaker 1: oh hey, the new memos come down, we're all Probaduro.
40:57
Speaker 13: It's weird, James. I mean, of course, the left of
40:59
Speaker 13: all always got it completely wrong about Venezuela. You remember
41:03
Speaker 13: how the left were absolutely in love with Maduro's dictator, predecessor,
41:09
Speaker 13: Hugo Chavez. I mean they loved him till the last minute,
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Speaker 13: you know, and yet he was a terrible man who
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Speaker 13: drove his own people into poverty and just run down
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Speaker 13: the oil industry.
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Speaker 2: They're just terrible judges of character.
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Speaker 13: I mean, you could go through the people they backed
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Speaker 13: over the years, Paul Pott, Cuba, the whole Cuba thing.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they still love Cuba.
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Speaker 13: It's just a strange knee jert reaction from them because
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Speaker 13: they basically can't bring themselves to support their own country America.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, hey, Nigga, I wanted to stick with you for
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Speaker 1: a second year because you've done so much great writing
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Speaker 1: about the energy debate. And there was a story today
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Speaker 1: in The Australian that reported that data from the Austrian
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Speaker 1: Energy Market Operator or EMO, has revealed that wholesale power
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Speaker 1: prices fell over the last three months, they claim due
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Speaker 1: to milder weather and get a lift in renewable energy generation.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I buy this, Nick, what are your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on these clips.
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Speaker 13: Nobody pays wholesale prices for electricity.
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Speaker 2: Nobody.
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Speaker 13: Everybody pays the retail price, which is the wholesale price
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Speaker 13: plus the system's costs. That's the transmission, that's the firming,
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Speaker 13: that's all everything else that you go is into. And
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Speaker 13: as we know, those system costs rise the more renewable
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Speaker 13: energy you put into it. I'm not surprised that the
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Speaker 13: wholesale price has gone down because if you look in
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Speaker 13: the middle of the day, almost every day now in
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Speaker 13: one state or another, the price is less than zero.
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Speaker 13: You're having to pay to give your electricity away and
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Speaker 13: it's only worthwhile because of the government subsidies.
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Speaker 2: So it's nuts.
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Speaker 13: It means absolutely nothing except EMOS just wishing to keep
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Speaker 13: its courage up.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, gentlemen, we're gonna have to leave it, dear,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. The sevening go on, Credlin,
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Speaker 1: Terry Barnes, Nick Cator, appreciate your time as always. Now
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Speaker 1: stick around because we've got Sophie Eellsworth from London with
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Speaker 1: more on that devastating fire in Switzerland and news about
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Speaker 1: Keir Starmer after the break Well, going back to Kredelin,
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Speaker 1: I'm James Borrow Now. Arrests have been made after a
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Speaker 1: deadly fire swept through bar in the Swiss Alps on
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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, claiming the lives of forty people, with
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Speaker 1: authorities now saying that inadequate fire safety at the venue
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Speaker 1: was to blame for the blaze. Talking about this in
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Speaker 1: a lot more, let's bring in news Corp Australia's Europe
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Speaker 1: correspondent and Sky News contributor Sophie Elsworth, who joins us
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Speaker 1: live from London. Sophie, what's the latest. You visited the
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Speaker 1: site of this disaster and spoke with Australians who lost
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Speaker 1: friends in the fire.
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Speaker 5: What was that like?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, great to be with you, James.
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Speaker 14: Look, I've just spent three days in Switzerland at cran
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Speaker 14: Montana where this faithful fire unfolded. It was incredibly distressing
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Speaker 14: for the people in the town and many tourists who
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Speaker 14: were holidaying at this popular ski resort when this tragedy
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Speaker 14: took place. There were some Australians I spoke to James
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Speaker 14: who lost friends in this fire tragedy. But the owners
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Speaker 14: of the bar, they have been interviewed by police. They
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Speaker 14: have not been charged with any offenses yet, but there
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Speaker 14: is concern that they may be negligent in terms of
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Speaker 14: providing sufficient emergency safety measures there, and also that enough
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Speaker 14: was done to ensure that a tragedy like this wouldn't happen.
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Speaker 14: But it is a presumption of innocence to prove and guilty,
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Speaker 14: and I stress that there are no charges or no
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Speaker 14: arrests at this stage, but they are.
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Speaker 8: Under watched by police. So this is an.
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Speaker 14: Incredibly distressing situation James, because many of these revelers were
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Speaker 14: young teenagers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah no, that's absolutely horrifying, just horrifying to think about
44:51
Speaker 1: that on Newears either of all of all notes too. Also,
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Speaker 1: just while you're in London, I also want to talk
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Speaker 1: about UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer. He has made the
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Speaker 1: extraordinary claim that he will still be Prime Minister in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, which is pretty amazing given the polling numbers.
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Speaker 1: He's dismissed concerns about his leadership and as party's collapse.
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Speaker 1: Here's what he told the BBC.
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Speaker 12: I'll be sitting in the seat by twenty twenty seven
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Speaker 12: and if this long form interview works, we can try
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Speaker 12: it again in January of next year as well.
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Speaker 1: Now I've heard the phrase the coach has the full
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Speaker 1: support of the board. But has he just said that
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Speaker 1: to himself here? Because I don't know how he goes
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Speaker 1: on without a challenge.
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Speaker 14: Well, you're dead right, James, kirs Stamer is in an
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Speaker 14: awful lot of trouble. He's got many issues as Prime minister.
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Speaker 14: His popularity is falling rapidly he's losing polls repeatedly here.
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Speaker 8: Now he's come out and done this extensive interview with
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Speaker 8: the BBC to start the new year. Of course he's
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Speaker 8: going to be upbeaten.
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Speaker 14: Of course he's going to say he'll be in office
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Speaker 14: up until the next general election in twenty two nine.
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Speaker 8: But there are no doubt that. There is no doubt
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Speaker 8: there are.
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Speaker 14: Moves of foot to dispose of him, and I don't
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Speaker 14: think he'll be there in twelve months. But he has
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Speaker 14: said his line much in that interview was if the
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Speaker 14: labor operatives move on him, this will be a repeat
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Speaker 14: of the Tories where they disposed of many of their
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Speaker 14: leaders and it will cause upheaval within the government and
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Speaker 14: he doesn't want to see that, so he's saying stability
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Speaker 14: is key.
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Speaker 8: But I think James he won't be there before the
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Speaker 8: next general election.
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Speaker 1: So Sophie, give us a little inside tip. If there
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Speaker 1: was to be a challenge for those of us who
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Speaker 1: watch UK politics from afar, who would be the challengers
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Speaker 1: who'll be coming for him?
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Speaker 14: Well, there's a lot of talk that Andy Burnham, who
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Speaker 14: is the Manchester Man now he's not in the House
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Speaker 14: of Commons, so he would need to be moved to
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Speaker 14: run for Prime Minister, he'd have to be a member
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Speaker 14: of the House of Commons, which he.
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Speaker 8: Isn't, but he's extremely popular.
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Speaker 14: There's also talk of a return of Angela Rayner, who
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Speaker 14: was disposed of after issues here in the UK with
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Speaker 14: various personal affairs, and also the Health Secretary Wears Streeting,
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Speaker 14: so there's a few of them, their names being bandied around.
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Speaker 14: But he would be a very nervous prime minister.
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Speaker 1: And finally, Sophie, before I let you go, everybody here
47:23
Speaker 1: always loves a been a Royal family news. What do
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Speaker 1: we have in store for the Royal family this year
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Speaker 1: as they safe look to save face following the horror
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Speaker 1: year involving, among other things, Prince Andrew being scripped of
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Speaker 1: his royal titles.
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Speaker 14: So I spoke to many royal experts here in the UK,
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Speaker 14: James who said to me that basically, if you think
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty five was bad for the Royals, it will
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Speaker 14: get worse. More will come out on Andrew. We know
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Speaker 14: that he is moving from Royal Lodge in sometime this year.
47:52
Speaker 14: It's expected he will move to Sandringham Estate. Whether or
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Speaker 14: not criminal charges are laid against him remains to be seen,
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Speaker 14: but he's always has declared his innocence in relation to
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Speaker 14: his close associations with Jeffrey Epstein. We've also got the
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Speaker 14: King's health which is very much in the spotlight. He's
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Speaker 14: whining Bucky's cancer treatment. But there's no doubt the Royals
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Speaker 14: have got a tough year ahead because they had a
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Speaker 14: shocker in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: They certainly did. Sophie Ellsworth, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: your time tonight, News corpus Ray correspondent in London. Hope
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Speaker 1: you and I both have a better twenty twenty six
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Speaker 1: and those guys had in twenty twenty five. Thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for your company tonight. I'm James Mary. I'll
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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow night on Kredlin. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 1: here is the Bolt Report with James McPherson up next