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Career Pathing: How to Find Your Passion | Megan Rankin | Success | LHS Classic · Love, Happiness and Success with Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby

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Speaker 1: for this episode. Now let's get into it. This is
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Speaker 1: doctor Lisa, Marie Bobby and you're listening to the love,
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Speaker 1: That's so many things by Aurora Diamico. Beautiful song and
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Speaker 1: perfect for our topic today because today we're talking about
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Speaker 1: how to get clarity when you could literally go in
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Speaker 1: any direction, it seems like, and I think that's one
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Speaker 1: of the weird benefits almost of this experience that we've
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Speaker 1: just been through together of having it, you know, feel
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Speaker 1: like the world has basically just fallen apart and now
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Speaker 1: we all have to regroup and rebuild. But in the
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Speaker 1: kind of hidden opportunity there is that it disrupts things,
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Speaker 1: it creates space. It's harder, I think, to make major
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Speaker 1: life changes when you're already in this like really clear
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Speaker 1: entrenched path and everything is just moving in one direction,
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Speaker 1: Like it's hard to get off that train sometimes. But
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Speaker 1: when things feel a little iffy and when there's not
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Speaker 1: a ton of clarity about what exactly is going to
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Speaker 1: be happening next, it can create this space, this opportunity
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Speaker 1: to think about, you know, well, what do I want
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Speaker 1: to have happen next, and how can I potentially design it.
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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are in this
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Speaker 1: space right now, and you know, some people it's showing
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Speaker 1: up in their relationships, some in the sort of existential
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Speaker 1: what am I doing with.
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Speaker 3: My life thing?
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Speaker 1: And there can be many components of that, certainly, but
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Speaker 1: an important one of those is what am I doing
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Speaker 1: with my career? And I think that's why I mean
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Speaker 1: here at Growing Self, we've seen a ton of clients
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Speaker 1: showing up with an interest in talking about their careers.
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Speaker 1: So we do career counseling and career coaching, professional development coaching,
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Speaker 1: and that's a lot of what we're doing lately is
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Speaker 1: talking with people about how to either make a pivot
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Speaker 1: in their career or you know, go more deeply into
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Speaker 1: their chosen career path. But the most important thing that
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing over and over again from our clients is
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Speaker 1: I need, meaning I need this to be in alignment
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Speaker 1: with my passion and what I really want to be
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Speaker 1: doing with my life because and there's sort of this
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Speaker 1: renewed awareness that life is short and that we need
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Speaker 1: to make it count. So that's that's the theme. And
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Speaker 1: in addition to that part been seeing just a ton
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Speaker 1: of really like smart, resourceful, you know, successful people who
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Speaker 1: are in a decent place, but they're saying, I feel
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Speaker 1: like it could be more right. And they're also saying
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Speaker 1: that they feel like they have a lot of different
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Speaker 1: opportunities that they could go in many different directions, and
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Speaker 1: that in itself, while you know, it's a good thing,
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Speaker 1: can also feel really paralyzing because people get very anxious
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Speaker 1: about Okay, so I could do ten different things, but
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Speaker 1: which one is the right thing? Like, especially when they're all,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe kind of interesting or kind of good,
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Speaker 1: and they have to choose one in order to make
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Speaker 1: it happen. So then there's this stress and they wind
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Speaker 1: up getting stuck, you know, and indecision where they feel
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Speaker 1: like it's hard to make any choice at all, which
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Speaker 1: then just perpetuates more of the same. And as we
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Speaker 1: all know, we can can stay stuck in the same
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Speaker 1: place for quite a long time without that energy to
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Speaker 1: go in one direction or the other. So, so what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about today is how do we begin to
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Speaker 1: break out of that paralysis, especially with new opportunities on
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Speaker 1: the horizon, and pick not just a path but the
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Speaker 1: air quote right path. And to help us with this,
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Speaker 1: I have invited a colleague of mine. On today's episode,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be speaking with career counselor and professional
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Speaker 1: development coach. Megan is my colleague here at Growing Self,
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Speaker 1: and she is amazing and she is a legitimate expert
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Speaker 1: on this topic. She has a whole master's degree in
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Speaker 1: career development and I mean, so this is what she
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Speaker 1: specializes in. She's a certified career counselor, she's been doing
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Speaker 1: a while, and she is also has a background as
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Speaker 1: a therapist too, and she's here today to share her
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Speaker 1: perspective on what it takes to get clear about that
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Speaker 1: career path and start putting things into motion, especially when
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of options. So Megan, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Of course, yes, yeah, well absolutely no, thank you for
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Speaker 3: having me. This is definitely to kind of piggyback off
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Speaker 3: of what you shared. A lot of my clients come
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Speaker 3: to me at that point of you know, it's not
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Speaker 3: necessarily a crisis or I don't know what to do,
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Speaker 3: but they do have a lot of options in front
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Speaker 3: of them, and a lot of times it's I just
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Speaker 3: need someone to talk this through with and I would
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Speaker 3: love a little guidance on how do I take that
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Speaker 3: next step? How do I even know a next step
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Speaker 3: is warranted. Yeah. Absolutely, there's a lot of that going on.
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Speaker 3: I think COVID stirred a lot of that up for us,
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Speaker 3: and you know, I'm as a career counselor choosing to
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Speaker 3: see that as a great opportunity, right take inventory of
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Speaker 3: what's going on in our lives and make sure we
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Speaker 3: are using our time well when we're working from home
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Speaker 3: or maybe unemployed or whatever COVID brought for us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Well, I love your positive spin and that
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Speaker 1: idea that it's an opportunity, you know, and that I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know it sounds kind of trite, but that hidden
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Speaker 1: in difficult life experiences there usually is an opportunity of
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Speaker 1: some kind, but we just have to have to find it.
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Speaker 1: So Okay, So if we go into this more more deeply,
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Speaker 1: you know, say that you have a career counseling client
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Speaker 1: who who showed up and is in that situation. They're
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Speaker 1: you know, stable, maybe it's not a bad situation, but
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Speaker 1: they're really having that sense of wanting more. They want
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Speaker 1: a career that is in alignment with their passion, you know,
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Speaker 1: and they're doing something that they kind of like, but
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Speaker 1: it's not as good as it could be. And I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering if you could just maybe we could start by
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Speaker 1: just taking us into what are some of the things
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Speaker 1: that you see these clients grappling with. I mean in
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Speaker 1: not so much specific choices, but like, how does it feel?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, it's interesting. It's a catch twenty two, right,
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Speaker 3: because if we do have a positive spin on it
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Speaker 3: and say, okay, this is a nice time to take
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Speaker 3: some inventory and look through some things, there's hope in that,
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Speaker 3: and we love hope. We want to see hope. It's
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Speaker 3: where I start a lot of time. Let's foster hope.
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Speaker 3: If that doesn't feel like it's kind of readily available
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Speaker 3: for us. But then, like you were mentioning it, it
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Speaker 3: almost creates paralysis. Sometimes would become so hopeful and so
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Speaker 3: excited about what could happen next, that clients start to
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Speaker 3: grapple with, oh my gosh, paralysis. Analysis. I put all
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Speaker 3: of these options in front of me, and I don't
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Speaker 3: I don't even know if half these options are viable,
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Speaker 3: if I should even be researching any of these options.
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Speaker 3: Do I even like half of these options? What about
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Speaker 3: all of the other people this might effect? I have
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Speaker 3: a lot of clients that kind of forget and it's
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Speaker 3: very normal. People are affected by your job, right, Yes,
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Speaker 3: it's a very personal experience your career because you're the
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Speaker 3: one showing up doing the work, advancing or not. But
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Speaker 3: what about the family who are you living with that's
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Speaker 3: impacted by this career choice? Do you have kids, do
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Speaker 3: you have a spouse? Do you live with roommates that
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Speaker 3: you know they're also working from home and if you
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Speaker 3: make a career pivot, now you're going to work from
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Speaker 3: home with them. So definitely grappling with just the context
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Speaker 3: of their career. That is something that I don't take
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Speaker 3: lightly as a career counselor my therapy background kick and says, hey,
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Speaker 3: what else is this spilling into, Yes, you've got a
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Speaker 3: nine to five self that we're going to explore, you know,
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Speaker 3: your career self. What about when you close your laptop,
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Speaker 3: or you hang up the phone, or you get back
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Speaker 3: in your car and drive home. So not only are
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Speaker 3: they grappling with just the options that are out there,
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Speaker 3: we're also grappling with what kind of transition are we
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Speaker 3: actually embarking on if we do choose to shake some
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Speaker 3: things up, and what's going to kind of be different
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Speaker 3: if we do take a step in the next direction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so important, and I could see how that's
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Speaker 1: a really necessary place to start. It's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: not even just what you want to do, but like
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Speaker 1: the context of everything and pretty that's a great point
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Speaker 1: because I mean I hear from people all the time
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Speaker 1: that like, their career can become so consuming and so
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Speaker 1: like much of their life that it's almost difficult to
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Speaker 1: have anything else. Like they get home at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day and they're so wiped out or exhausted.
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Speaker 1: Or you know, if your career pivot is going to
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Speaker 1: require graduate school and do you have to maintain your
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Speaker 1: job through that, how will that impact your personal life?
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Speaker 1: And so like having having that kind of conversation first
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Speaker 1: to map it all out, Yeah, can be necessary. Right.
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Speaker 3: Well, we hope it saves us from a little parting,
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Speaker 3: right because if we do have the beauty of you know,
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Speaker 3: we're not rushing into jobs that you know, sometimes that happens.
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Speaker 3: We do have timelines, we do have families to support,
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Speaker 3: but in exploring the context that helps us determine what
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Speaker 3: our timeline is. Often when people come and meet with
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Speaker 3: me and we start exploring the options One of my
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Speaker 3: very first questions is what kind of timeline are we
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Speaker 3: working on here? Are you looking to be working with
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Speaker 3: me for a long time? And we can take this,
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Speaker 3: you know, bit by bit because the salary that you're
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Speaker 3: working with or the paychecks you've got come in and
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Speaker 3: cover you or are you looking at me like, no,
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Speaker 3: my good, this change needed though, have happened yesterday. We're
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Speaker 3: trying to move the ball really, you know, really quickly here.
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Speaker 3: So in establishing a timeline, it does give us a
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Speaker 3: little wiggle room. It also helps us when we think
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Speaker 3: about that long term. I call it identifying the landmines.
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Speaker 3: Right when we're looking into our future and what's out there,
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Speaker 3: it could be really helpful to anticipate some things. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't take away, right, you know, land minds happen, big
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Speaker 3: transitions happen in our lives. I think we could all
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Speaker 3: agree with COVID. We all experienced probably one of the
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Speaker 3: biggest transitions that we could not anticipate. But even just
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Speaker 3: a little work around, you know, I might struggle with networking.
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Speaker 3: It tends to make me feel a little bit uncomfortable.
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Speaker 3: If we can anticipate that when it comes to the
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Speaker 3: networking piece, we've already known, Hey, that's going to be
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Speaker 3: a little scary. Maybe we take some of the scariness
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Speaker 3: out of it, and we know to spend a little
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Speaker 3: extra time in that field or in that arena of
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Speaker 3: job searching makes it a little easier moving forward. So
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Speaker 3: in looking at context, we can anticipate sort of.
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Speaker 1: And that makes sense because it's like there's a difference
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Speaker 1: between somebody who really just needs a different job, like
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Speaker 1: stat versus somebody that you're you're working with, and it's
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Speaker 1: conversations around and imagining, like do you want children, what
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Speaker 1: is your Yeah, where do you want to be living?
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Speaker 1: What does your partner think about? You know, and like
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Speaker 1: kind of like the phrase it's coming up, is the
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Speaker 1: designing a life type conversations compared to the getting getting
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Speaker 1: a different job, because those two things are really different.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, and you're kind of actually speaking to
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Speaker 3: you some really big paradigm shifts that we did see
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Speaker 3: in the career world for a long time moving forward.
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Speaker 3: It was kind of that traite factor approach, right where
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Speaker 3: if you have these skills, these aptitudes, well, here's a
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Speaker 3: job that you can do. You know, we've seen success
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Speaker 3: for people like you in this field go for it,
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Speaker 3: and there's still some really great knowledge we can glean
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Speaker 3: from that. And as we're getting, you know, more complex
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Speaker 3: as human beings, our society is getting more complex, so
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Speaker 3: is our context. Right, And you're kind of pointing out
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Speaker 3: kind of this life design paradigm that career counseling is
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Speaker 3: really shifting into, and that takes in consideration what are
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Speaker 3: the roles I hold? What are my long term goals?
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Speaker 3: What are my values? It takes the employee and makes
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Speaker 3: them into a human rather than just an employee, because
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Speaker 3: good career counseling acknowledges the human in you and says, hey,
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Speaker 3: where are we getting this information from? You know, what
14:29
Speaker 3: information is important to you when we are looking for jobs.
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Speaker 3: So absolutely, life design is that's where I feel most
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Speaker 3: comfortable operating. And that's actually how I'm able to act
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Speaker 3: as someone who honors her therapy past while being a
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Speaker 3: really good career counselor. I kind of blend the two
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Speaker 3: in that way.
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Speaker 1: That's perfect And I like the you know, because I
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Speaker 1: think sometimes that's what people think is going to happen
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Speaker 1: when they show up for career counseling. It's like you're
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Speaker 1: going to give them a couple of tests and then
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Speaker 1: you're going to like compute their scores and then say, okay,
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Speaker 1: you should be a forest ranger and here are three
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Speaker 1: and and but you're so you when we're doing that,
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Speaker 1: and there's that like school mentality. But what you're saying
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Speaker 1: is that there's so much more to it. That it's
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Speaker 1: not just what you could do or that you would
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Speaker 1: a human and what's like what's your why? Like why
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Speaker 3: All of us? Yeah, the why is huge. That's what
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Speaker 3: we focus on a lot of times, and especially you
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Speaker 3: know when that word passion comes up. I have a
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Speaker 3: lot of clients, Magan, I want to do something I'm
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Speaker 3: passionate about. I'm passionate about it. In kind of determining passion, first,
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Speaker 3: we're starting with defining passion because my passion is going
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Speaker 3: to look a lot different than your passion versus the
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Speaker 3: guy you know walking down the street. He has a
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Speaker 3: different passion than you do. So we're really spending some
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Speaker 3: time defining what does passion even look like? Because if
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Speaker 3: we don't know. We're just shooting in the dark, right,
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Speaker 3: So we start with that, and then as we're kind
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Speaker 3: human says, hey, let's check out the messaging around this,
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Speaker 3: Those pieces. That's part of understanding your passion and getting
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm hearing you say. The first step
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Speaker 1: is like to do some exploration almost around how how
20:09
Speaker 1: you got to where you are right now almost is
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Speaker 1: it like, did you create this or were you sort
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Absolutely? Yeah, definitely, And that can actually
20:41
Speaker 3: be really surprising for people when I do ask questions
20:43
Speaker 3: around their past, They're like, what do you mean we're
20:46
Speaker 3: preparing for you know, my future five years? Yeah, we are,
20:49
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20:51
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20:54
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20:57
Speaker 3: you trust me just a little bit and allow us
21:00
Speaker 3: to kind of pivot and turn back and say what
21:02
Speaker 3: brought you here? How did that go for you? Do
21:05
Speaker 3: you have some thoughts about your career? I also a
21:08
Speaker 3: lot of times in job searching, maybe when we are
21:11
Speaker 3: kind of getting into the more tough kind of what
21:14
Speaker 3: we will call hard skills, right, are you interviewing? Well?
21:17
Speaker 3: Is your resume in line? Does your cover letter look good?
21:20
Speaker 3: When I kind of explore a lot of that. Sometimes
21:23
Speaker 3: there's parts of our job past that we actually haven't
21:25
Speaker 3: made peace with and we need to spend some time
21:27
Speaker 3: around that. Right. So, let's say you were in a
21:29
Speaker 3: job you had a really negative experience, maybe management that
21:34
Speaker 3: you didn't enjoy, management kind of thing, yeah, toxic, absolutely, yep,
21:39
Speaker 3: something that maybe dragged you down. Maybe you got fired
21:42
Speaker 3: or you got let go, and you haven't done any
21:44
Speaker 3: healing around that experience. When we kind of move forward
21:48
Speaker 3: and work on those hard skills that actually might come
21:50
Speaker 3: up a little bit. If we can do some work
21:53
Speaker 3: on it before we get to that resume and cover letter,
21:56
Speaker 3: it's going to make that resume and cover letter work
21:58
Speaker 3: really fruitful, so that that be a surprise for people
22:01
Speaker 3: when I say, hey, tell me about what brought you here.
22:03
Speaker 3: How did you get to sitting in front of me
22:06
Speaker 3: from the start to the end, And let's pull some
22:09
Speaker 3: of that apart, and the trust piece comes in because
22:13
Speaker 3: I asked you can you trust me? This is going
22:16
Speaker 3: to be effective because sometimes people are like, this is dumb,
22:19
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about it, and I honor
22:21
Speaker 3: that it can be hard, right. That typically indicates to me,
22:24
Speaker 3: though we do need to do a little work around
22:27
Speaker 3: what brought you here and make sure we kind of
22:29
Speaker 3: make sense and meaning right the life design. When we're
22:32
Speaker 3: thinking about you as a human and how you've designed
22:35
Speaker 3: your life, I got to know what artistry and craftsmanship
22:39
Speaker 3: you do to get us.
22:41
Speaker 1: You know, I have never actually thought about it in
22:43
Speaker 1: that way before, But it's almost like shifting from a
22:47
Speaker 1: career or a job. I mean, I am such a
22:50
Speaker 1: relationship person. I'm kind of running it through my relationship
22:53
Speaker 1: filter right now. But it's like, you know, it would
22:56
Speaker 1: be impossible and not not wise to jump into a
23:01
Speaker 1: new relationship without doing a little bit of an autoxy on.
23:04
Speaker 3: The last one.
23:05
Speaker 1: And how did that impact Like even you know, the
23:09
Speaker 1: dating coaching client around talking about relationship history, where have
23:14
Speaker 1: you been? And certainly for couples, because these these life
23:17
Speaker 1: experiences are so impactful. And so what I'm hearing you
23:21
Speaker 1: say is that you're kind of slowing people down sometimes
23:24
Speaker 1: to like kind of like mine the growth experiences out
23:31
Speaker 1: of Like what did you learn about yourself and your
23:34
Speaker 1: values in that situation with this toxic, narcissistic boss?
23:39
Speaker 3: Like what what do we need to like take from
23:42
Speaker 3: everyone's Yeah, and additionally, kind of a nice add on
23:48
Speaker 3: to this. Not only do we kind of understand our
23:50
Speaker 3: past a little more and make the meaning out of it.
23:53
Speaker 3: There's some you said the word kind of mining, right,
23:55
Speaker 3: and I think of hidden gems. So when people talk
23:58
Speaker 3: to me about, hey, to do something I'm passionate about,
24:01
Speaker 3: and you kind of stare at the abyss that is
24:03
Speaker 3: your future? How hard is it to define passion? Oh
24:08
Speaker 3: my gosh, I you know, you could spend forty five
24:10
Speaker 3: minutes sitting in silence and never fully defined passion. So
24:13
Speaker 3: when I have clients that give me that blank stare
24:16
Speaker 3: of I don't really know, I say, hey, let's take
24:19
Speaker 3: an easier approach. Let's start with your past. What went well,
24:22
Speaker 3: what didn't go well? What would you like to replicate?
24:26
Speaker 3: What could you do without never occurring again in your
24:29
Speaker 3: in your future? Looking to those past experiences can be
24:32
Speaker 3: a very very comfortable place to start. It's already happened.
24:36
Speaker 3: You're not having to create new answers. You're just reflecting
24:40
Speaker 3: what you know, what occurred, and it raised the self awareness.
24:44
Speaker 3: It kind of flexes. I use the kind of gym
24:47
Speaker 3: analogy a lot with clients. We're flexing muscles together. And
24:50
Speaker 3: the big muscle we work with in the beginning is reflection.
24:53
Speaker 3: Can you reflect on what's occurred in the past and
24:56
Speaker 3: make meaning out of it? First, like we just chatted about,
24:59
Speaker 3: but can we also gleaned from really cool gems from it?
25:02
Speaker 3: Did you really like working with kiddos in that last place?
25:07
Speaker 3: Really you did? How are we going to fit that
25:09
Speaker 3: into our definition of passion? What does that mean for
25:12
Speaker 3: your future when we plan and kind of strategize and
25:15
Speaker 3: brainstorm together, look to the past to see if that
25:18
Speaker 3: can give you kind of a roadmap.
25:20
Speaker 1: To that's great. It's really that exploration and the mining
25:24
Speaker 1: to figure out what you are and what is important. Okay,
25:29
Speaker 1: can I ask you a question? And this is this
25:32
Speaker 1: is somewhat random, and I'm sure it's probably different for
25:35
Speaker 1: every person that I know, I mean, Aaron, our practice,
25:39
Speaker 1: what we I think see a lot of the types
25:41
Speaker 1: of clients are people who you know are sometimes fairly
25:48
Speaker 1: well established, even in careers in which they are objectively successful,
25:54
Speaker 1: and you know, they're okay, nothing terrible is happening, but
25:57
Speaker 1: they're just like not feel in it. They're they're bored
26:02
Speaker 1: sometimes or they're like, eh, is this all? And so
26:05
Speaker 1: question one related to that, how do you think that
26:10
Speaker 1: happens that someone, because you know, I mean usually it
26:15
Speaker 1: requires at least some intention to get on a trajectory,
26:20
Speaker 1: and and a lot of times, you know, it happens
26:21
Speaker 1: when we're so young. I mean, we need to choose
26:23
Speaker 1: college majors when we're eighteen. I don't know about you.
26:26
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I was coming or going when
26:28
Speaker 1: I was eighteen. I mean, but I got a lot
26:31
Speaker 1: about college majors.
26:33
Speaker 3: Well, it starts.
26:35
Speaker 1: I mean, do people just like get on this trajectory
26:37
Speaker 1: before they even truly know themselves? Is that how the
26:40
Speaker 1: situation is created? Or do you see other things kind
26:43
Speaker 1: of play there when you have a twenty nine year
26:45
Speaker 1: old who's like dreading going to work on Monday, Like,
26:49
Speaker 1: how does that happen?
26:51
Speaker 3: YEA a couple of different things. And you kind of
26:53
Speaker 3: you touched on it right with the choice, and it
26:55
Speaker 3: is a little different. But college absolutely if someone does
26:58
Speaker 3: go the kind of quote unquot traditional route where they
27:01
Speaker 3: finish up their you know, secondary schooling, they finished high
27:05
Speaker 3: school and they are going to move into a university setting. Yeah,
27:08
Speaker 3: there's a lot of pressure in those four years if
27:10
Speaker 3: you do a four year degree. If you do a
27:12
Speaker 3: two year degree to kind of make a stamp, right
27:16
Speaker 3: and say this is what I'm doing. I picked this major.
27:19
Speaker 3: If you're one of the really great people and you
27:21
Speaker 3: go to your career center, awesome, maybe you've done a
27:24
Speaker 3: little work around that fun fact. I'm a career counselor
27:26
Speaker 3: and I never once went to my career center. So no,
27:29
Speaker 3: it happened. Yeh, we're the Oh my gosh, we're bad.
27:33
Speaker 3: Were the bulk of us are like this? We didn't
27:34
Speaker 3: even know this field existed until we got into it ourselves.
27:38
Speaker 3: But what happens a lot of times there's nothing wrong
27:41
Speaker 3: with picking that trajectory, sticking to it, moving forward. That
27:45
Speaker 3: shows dedication, It shows commitment. I think that's great. What
27:48
Speaker 3: I noticed when that happens is a lot of times
27:50
Speaker 3: there's just a lack of self awareness because when you
27:53
Speaker 3: think about that, there was really no pause that was
27:57
Speaker 3: required of you to take inventory. Right. So you let's say,
28:00
Speaker 3: do pick that major, and let's say I'm going to
28:03
Speaker 3: pick on human development because that's what I majored in, Right,
28:06
Speaker 3: So I pick that trajectory, I get into that very
28:08
Speaker 3: first job, I keep moving, I keep moving, I keep
28:10
Speaker 3: moving when I'm motivated by just getting the next job.
28:14
Speaker 3: Never am I required to pause and say, why the
28:17
Speaker 3: heck that I pick human development in the first place?
28:20
Speaker 3: Why am I even enjoying this anymore? Am I enjoying
28:22
Speaker 3: this anymore? When my self awareness and my reflection muscle,
28:26
Speaker 3: like I was talking about that exercise analogy, when that
28:29
Speaker 3: gets weak, when I'm not working out reflecting, it's not
28:33
Speaker 3: going to be my go to exercise. I'm not going
28:36
Speaker 3: to reflect on what's happening. I'm not going to kind
28:38
Speaker 3: of initiate my own pause and say, am I actually
28:42
Speaker 3: enjoying it? So that sometimes happens. That's one of the
28:44
Speaker 3: first things I see. The second thing that I see
28:46
Speaker 3: for people when they are let's take that twenty nine
28:49
Speaker 3: year old, Oh just don't even want to get up
28:50
Speaker 3: and go to work today. Outside factors can influence that
28:55
Speaker 3: some people get married earlier than they had anticipated, They
28:57
Speaker 3: have children earlier than anticipated. They experience a cross country
29:02
Speaker 3: move that they had never thought was going to happen.
29:05
Speaker 3: They have a parent who gets sick that they now
29:06
Speaker 3: have to be the caretaker For a lot of times,
29:10
Speaker 3: what I just say, life happens, and it was by
29:12
Speaker 3: necessity that you just had to keep moving from job
29:15
Speaker 3: to job because that paycheck was really important to you.
29:19
Speaker 3: That's just as valid of an experience as someone who
29:23
Speaker 3: picked a major and stuck with it all the way
29:24
Speaker 3: till the end. That's why when I'm with my clients,
29:28
Speaker 3: I'm taking time to figure out how you got there.
29:31
Speaker 3: We can make meaning around that. I want to know
29:34
Speaker 3: when you tell me you had kids earlier than you expected,
29:37
Speaker 3: tell me how important they are to you though, And
29:40
Speaker 3: what did you still use that time really well? Because
29:43
Speaker 3: I'm sure you did, even if you were moving paycheck
29:45
Speaker 3: to paycheck. Let's make some meaning around it. Maybe take
29:48
Speaker 3: some of I find when people are at that spot,
29:51
Speaker 3: there's shame, right they're looking at themselves at twenty nine,
29:55
Speaker 3: thinking how did I get I really envisioned something different exactly.
30:00
Speaker 3: It can be very there's a lot of despair actually
30:04
Speaker 3: that comes in of like, man, I don't really know
30:07
Speaker 3: how this even happened. When I mentioned hope, right, we
30:10
Speaker 3: it's really hard to do any kind of career work
30:12
Speaker 3: without hope. We're going to kind of figure out at that,
30:15
Speaker 3: you know, age twenty nine. I hate this spot, Okay,
30:20
Speaker 3: what's makes the meaning of how you got here though
30:22
Speaker 3: first that Foster's hope it's going to be a little
30:25
Speaker 3: easier to look forward. So those are kind of the
30:27
Speaker 3: two big I would say processes that I see of
30:31
Speaker 3: people that makes its depends on it makes so much sense.
30:35
Speaker 1: But I could almost see how, you know, like having
30:38
Speaker 1: it makes sense to your clients too, Like you brought
30:42
Speaker 1: up words, I mean big words like shame and despair,
30:44
Speaker 1: but to be able to tell the story about yeah,
30:47
Speaker 1: here's what was actually going on in my life when
30:50
Speaker 1: I made this decision, and this is why it made
30:53
Speaker 1: sense at the time, and I could see how you know,
30:55
Speaker 1: many times these decisions are like it's, you know, the
31:00
Speaker 1: path of least resistance in some ways, and then and
31:02
Speaker 1: then over time it kind of snowballs because your your
31:06
Speaker 1: work experience and work history qualifies you for more of
31:10
Speaker 1: this situation, and so you like it's like you keep
31:12
Speaker 1: growing and developing in a field that you are sort
31:15
Speaker 1: of ambivalent about to begin with. And then at a
31:18
Speaker 1: certain point, you know, like you have a great income,
31:20
Speaker 1: you have all the things, and it's hard to let
31:22
Speaker 1: go of because you know, there's there's almost like a
31:27
Speaker 1: lot to lose with that idea of sure. I mean
31:31
Speaker 1: it's not always starting over, certainly, but like I think,
31:34
Speaker 1: it can be scary.
31:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it can feel that way. Yeah, it can
31:37
Speaker 3: feel even if it's not fully starting over, you're still
31:41
Speaker 3: probably for one of the first times in your life
31:44
Speaker 3: out loud saying I'm not happy where that and that
31:47
Speaker 3: alone can really be it's jarring to kind of admit that. They'll,
31:52
Speaker 3: you know, sticking with this twenty nine. I'm sure people
31:56
Speaker 3: are doing well.
31:57
Speaker 1: It's a it's a crossroads that that age.
32:00
Speaker 3: Yeah two and we love them, we love them. That
32:05
Speaker 3: can be Imagine having to reflect on your whole life
32:10
Speaker 3: and say, wow, my choice has got me here. Okay,
32:15
Speaker 3: but I'm doing all right, I'm gonna make some changes.
32:18
Speaker 3: It's a really scary part to be in. That's why
32:20
Speaker 3: career counseling can be so wonderful. You finally have somebody
32:23
Speaker 3: to have that feeling with. If despair comes up, if
32:26
Speaker 3: shame comes up. A lot of people know it's excitement
32:29
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, I'm ready to do it. I
32:31
Speaker 3: can't believe we're finally you know, we get past that panic.
32:34
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, everything's shifting. The excitement kicks in the
32:38
Speaker 3: hope kicks in the what's next. A lot of people
32:42
Speaker 3: get really ambitious. They're like, Okay, I've been I've been
32:44
Speaker 3: waiting all this time, right, there's this energy in them
32:47
Speaker 3: that comes up. We just got to make a little
32:50
Speaker 3: meaning of it first, and something that I really enjoy
32:53
Speaker 3: kind of letting people in on when we do start
32:55
Speaker 3: talking about, Okay, what's next and how can we do this?
32:58
Speaker 3: When we're making meaning of that past, when we're naming
33:01
Speaker 3: some of the feelings that we're having and we're just
33:03
Speaker 3: getting language around it, we're actually kind of using a
33:06
Speaker 3: double edged sword. Not only are you going to feel
33:09
Speaker 3: a lot better about it and find some hope, you
33:11
Speaker 3: also just practiced articulating that to an employer. So let's
33:15
Speaker 3: say we are in an instance where twenty nine years
33:18
Speaker 3: in the making, you've been working on this career. Your
33:21
Speaker 3: resume shows that. And now let's say I'm in human
33:25
Speaker 3: development and I'm shifting to business. Oh my gosh, my
33:28
Speaker 3: resume doesn't look at all like what it should look
33:30
Speaker 3: like to get me into business. So when I'm in
33:32
Speaker 3: that interview and they're asking me, hey, Meg, there's a
33:35
Speaker 3: pretty big gap between the direction you're headed and where
33:38
Speaker 3: you've been help us understand. You've already spent time working
33:43
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33:48
Speaker 3: taking the shame out of it, taking the fear out
33:50
Speaker 3: of it. It's a really, really kind of hidden skill
33:55
Speaker 3: that I try to get my clients to enjoy with
33:57
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34:00
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34:03
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34:06
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34:09
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37:10
Speaker 1: So now I don't know if this has come up
37:14
Speaker 1: in your career counseling conversations, but I have talked to
37:19
Speaker 1: clients who sometimes struggle with this situation because I think
37:27
Speaker 1: it can be difficult to figure out how bad is
37:32
Speaker 1: bad enough for me to want to, like, you know, burn,
37:36
Speaker 1: burn this all down and go do a different thing.
37:39
Speaker 1: But it's like almost like let's see what are the words,
37:43
Speaker 1: like how how can people get clear as to whether
37:48
Speaker 1: or not they are really unhappy with this job specifically
37:54
Speaker 1: versus what is kind of normal and expected when it
37:58
Speaker 1: comes to any career your path, Because I mean, like personally,
38:02
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm quite passionate about the work that
38:05
Speaker 1: I do and I had to have a couple career
38:07
Speaker 1: iterations before I figured that out. But you know, and
38:11
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel the same, Like there are some
38:12
Speaker 1: days where you're like, oh, can.
38:14
Speaker 3: I do this today? Yes, I can, I can do it.
38:16
Speaker 1: I'm drinking my coffee. I'm gonna do it, you know,
38:18
Speaker 1: like there's always ebb and flow, and I think that
38:21
Speaker 1: it can be difficult for people to sometimes be okay.
38:25
Speaker 1: So if I feel this way sometimes, does this mean
38:28
Speaker 1: that I'm in the wrong career because there something that
38:30
Speaker 1: I could be more passionate about? Or is this just
38:32
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be in a long term
38:35
Speaker 1: like a long term relationship. Do you know, like there
38:38
Speaker 1: are times when your partner, like the rest of us,
38:41
Speaker 1: is a mixed bag. It's not always fun and like
38:44
Speaker 1: just sorting through Does this mean I need a different
38:47
Speaker 1: career or is this me needing to work on myself?
38:50
Speaker 1: How bad is bad enough.
38:51
Speaker 3: To make sure?
38:53
Speaker 1: Like, and I know that this is a big I'm
38:55
Speaker 1: so complicated, probably incoherent to.
38:57
Speaker 3: Question that I've just asked of you.
38:59
Speaker 1: But I'm sure your clients probably with some kind of
39:03
Speaker 1: download that's similar around them that I.
39:05
Speaker 3: Said, I am so used to right making sense of
39:08
Speaker 3: the I get a lot of.
39:09
Speaker 1: I'm sorry exactly this podcast is like I just word vomit.
39:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, And and you know what, that can
39:19
Speaker 3: be a really hard I kind of define that the threshold.
39:21
Speaker 3: That's a really challenging threshold to define, and it is
39:24
Speaker 3: a lot of times it's clients to client, it's circunstance. Circumstances, yeah,
39:28
Speaker 3: you know. And and first thing we're looking at, how
39:33
Speaker 3: secure is that job making you? Before we do any craziness.
39:37
Speaker 3: Is this a job that paycheck to paycheck? If that
39:39
Speaker 3: paycheck were to go away, we would be, you know,
39:42
Speaker 3: kind of things would not be looking good. So we
39:44
Speaker 3: have to take in the reality of the situation first
39:47
Speaker 3: when we think about that. Once we've done some work
39:49
Speaker 3: around that, and for some clients, that's a really quick
39:51
Speaker 3: answer of like, I'm good, it's time. For other clients,
39:55
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to kind of reach that threshold, get
39:58
Speaker 3: some skills around hanging in that threat threshold because we
40:01
Speaker 3: need to stay in this job for a little bit longer.
40:03
Speaker 3: That's okay, but let's take you know, the great scenario
40:06
Speaker 3: of I'm ready, my savings is set, I'm good to go.
40:09
Speaker 3: When we think about ebbs and flows and kind of
40:12
Speaker 3: how we tackle them in a day to day situation,
40:15
Speaker 3: the first thing you're going to look at, and this
40:17
Speaker 3: is actually a really fun activity you can do with
40:19
Speaker 3: somebody or on your own, envision your life at a
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Speaker 3: ten year mark and a five year mark, but start
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Speaker 3: as far out as possible. For some people, that far
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Speaker 3: out mark may only be two years, and that's okay.
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Speaker 3: Some of my younger clients, when you're just getting out
40:32
Speaker 3: of school, it's going to be that. You know, you're like,
40:35
Speaker 3: I don't really know this field just yet, so we're
40:36
Speaker 3: only looking at two years, that's okay. Pick your time frame.
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Speaker 3: So let's do. I'll do ten years, and we'll use
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Speaker 3: my personal life example. So in ten years, I've got
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Speaker 3: a really you know, I've got a lot of goals
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Speaker 3: around it. When I reflect on where I'm at currently,
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Speaker 3: I ask myself the question of does this job align
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Speaker 3: with my ten year goal? And typically, thankfully, right now,
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Speaker 3: my answer is yes. So when I'm pouring that cup
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Speaker 3: of coffee with like a sleepy man in my eye
41:02
Speaker 3: because it's Monday and I don't want to go to work,
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Speaker 3: I say to myself, And in ten years you're going
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Speaker 3: to have done so much work to get here, it's
41:09
Speaker 3: going to be worth it. Now, let's say you have
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Speaker 3: your ten year vision, and when you think about that
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Speaker 3: ten year mark, I challenge you to think about where
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Speaker 3: are you living, who are you living with, what car
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Speaker 3: are you driving, what groceries do you have in your fridge?
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Speaker 3: Think about the lifestyle you want when you think about
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Speaker 3: that ten year goal, not just I want to have
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Speaker 3: this job title. You've got to get more specific. So
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Speaker 3: when you think about and you detail out that vision,
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Speaker 3: let's say the answer actually is wow, in ten years, No,
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Speaker 3: my life looks a lot different than the current role
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Speaker 3: I'm in now. Is not getting me there? That's maybe
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Speaker 3: how we're to trade.
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Speaker 1: So that kind of difference there is. Is this a
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Speaker 1: vehicle to get me to where I want to go?
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Speaker 1: But first you really have to be clear about that
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Speaker 1: where do I actually want to go as opposed to
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Speaker 1: just waking up every day and doing same thing over
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Speaker 1: and over again. Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Right, Well, because we don't want to make any crazy
42:08
Speaker 3: decisions just because we're not feeling happy at work, right,
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Speaker 3: and you know, I think the word burnout has been
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Speaker 3: tossed around so much with COVID and I work a
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Speaker 3: lot with the symptoms of burnout, and it can be
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Speaker 3: really challenging to kind of define it and look at it.
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Speaker 3: When we have where we're experiencing symptoms of burnout, it
42:25
Speaker 3: could be really easy to want to just pull the
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Speaker 3: plug and say, forget it. I'm going on to Indeed,
42:30
Speaker 3: I'm going on to LinkedIn, I'm finding a new job.
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Speaker 3: I don't care, I don't want to do this anymore.
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Speaker 3: It's okay to have those feelings, bring those feelings on in,
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Speaker 3: sit with those feelings, journal them out, cry them out,
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Speaker 3: scream about do what you gotta do. Don't make a
42:43
Speaker 3: decision when you're in that that can endoma, right, because
42:46
Speaker 3: that's when we see kind of the ooh, maybe we
42:50
Speaker 3: could have avoided some of this toss up that's happening,
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Speaker 3: some of this uncertainty now that we just quit a
42:56
Speaker 3: job that was actually really stable and maybe did a
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Speaker 3: lot with our ten your plan, right, having that ten
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Speaker 3: year plan and goal and vision already designed for you, though,
43:06
Speaker 3: sometimes it could be nice just to escape to that
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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes a day, enjoy your vision, enjoy it,
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Speaker 3: remind yourself why you're doing the work you're doing right now.
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Speaker 3: So those crazy kind of quick, quick knee jerk reactions
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Speaker 3: aren't aren't dictating.
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Speaker 1: And what a good point. And we could talk so
43:23
Speaker 1: much more deeply about about this topic, and our time
43:26
Speaker 1: is limited, but that that's a wonderful resting point and
43:29
Speaker 1: a reminder that you know, when when we're not really well,
43:34
Speaker 1: like in burnout. I mean, there are a lot of
43:36
Speaker 1: symptoms of burnout that really do mimic depression, and like
43:41
Speaker 1: it changes the way you think, it changes the way
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Speaker 1: you feel. And what you're saying is when you're in
43:46
Speaker 1: that sort of mental and emotional space, it is not
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Speaker 1: the best time to make major life decisions with major consequences.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like slow down, take some time, get real clear. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thank you for saying that, and especially I think right
44:04
Speaker 1: now in this day and age, people probably need to
44:07
Speaker 1: hear that because who is at their best right now
44:10
Speaker 1: in this particular moment and just to like give time
44:14
Speaker 1: and space and thank you right well.
44:18
Speaker 3: And and also it kind of touches on another word
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Speaker 3: that even prior to COVID got tossed around a lot
44:23
Speaker 3: of self care, Right, how are you taking care of yourself? Now?
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Speaker 3: If we think about maybe you are kind of reaching
44:29
Speaker 3: close to that crisis point if I'm ready to throw
44:32
Speaker 3: out my hands and then just quit. Yeah, what happens
44:36
Speaker 3: if those symptoms of burnout that you're feeling are because
44:39
Speaker 3: of a lack of self care. If you just move
44:42
Speaker 3: into that next job and don't really address kind of
44:44
Speaker 3: the root of what's going on, we're just going to
44:47
Speaker 3: replicate that almost crisis moment again, right, And so taking
44:51
Speaker 3: pause and reflecting and allowing kind of the dust to settle,
44:56
Speaker 3: we're able to more clearly define what's going and get
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Speaker 3: to the root of that concern so that when you
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Speaker 3: do move into this next position again, we're not repeating
45:06
Speaker 3: old habits coming right back to me of like, well, Megan,
45:09
Speaker 3: I'm still just as bummed. Well, the reality was you
45:12
Speaker 3: weren't sleeping, okay, and we didn't fix the sleeping concern.
45:17
Speaker 3: So no matter what job you take, you're not going
45:19
Speaker 3: to show up healthy and rested because you're not taking
45:21
Speaker 3: care or that.
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Speaker 1: Idea like that that if you don't work on yourself,
45:26
Speaker 1: you will even subconsciously wind up replicating the same sorts
45:31
Speaker 1: of patterns again, I'm thinking of relationships right now, like
45:35
Speaker 1: that people have an influence on their environments and a
45:38
Speaker 1: lot of times without even realizing it. And you're saying
45:40
Speaker 1: that people could do that in their career and you
45:43
Speaker 1: were talking about self care, but I'm sure there's ways
45:45
Speaker 1: of thinking, and there's a feeling and ways of communicating
45:49
Speaker 1: and ways of suating and productivity stuff.
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Speaker 4: Well, And when I'm talking about that exercise metaphor, right
45:55
Speaker 4: of are we flexing and exercising self reflection, self awareness,
46:02
Speaker 4: the ability to just name where we're at if we're
46:04
Speaker 4: not kind of checking in on some of those core
46:07
Speaker 4: I would call them soft skills that are really important
46:10
Speaker 4: for being a successful employee or being a successful human being.
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Speaker 3: Shoot, we're going to jump the gun if we don't
46:17
Speaker 3: really spend some time working on those things and getting
46:20
Speaker 3: those muscles strong, because inevitably, and I tell a lot
46:23
Speaker 3: of my clients this, you're going to end up right
46:25
Speaker 3: back with me. And that's okay. I love spending time
46:28
Speaker 3: with you, and I want to make you a self sufficient,
46:31
Speaker 3: self sustaining human being. Who if and we're like, when
46:36
Speaker 3: you reach these career transitions again, you kind of pull
46:39
Speaker 3: your tool belt back on. You've got your strong muscles,
46:42
Speaker 3: and you get to do the work yourself because you
46:44
Speaker 3: already know how to do this, instead of kind of
46:47
Speaker 3: letting it get to that negative, almost crisis point where
46:50
Speaker 3: self care has gone out the window and burnout symptoms
46:53
Speaker 3: are happening everywhere, and we want to kind of prevent
46:56
Speaker 3: that preemptively if it all.
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Speaker 1: Comes wonderful reminders. Megan, this was such a fabulous conversation.
47:04
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to meet
47:06
Speaker 1: with me today.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is my You're passionate all day long. I
47:11
Speaker 3: talked about it, how big a passion let me And
47:15
Speaker 3: that's the best part is And people are like, well,
47:16
Speaker 3: how'd you get to where you're at? And I'm like,
47:18
Speaker 3: if only you know, there's been a lot of work
47:20
Speaker 3: to get here. So thank you so much for letting
47:22
Speaker 3: me kind of chat your ear off and just share
47:25
Speaker 3: the world. But I feel so comfortable and I really
47:27
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Fun Thank you again, Megan. Ooh you guys, I don't
47:30
Speaker 1: know about you, but I am feeling so inspired now
47:33
Speaker 1: after talking with Megan, And if you are too, and
47:36
Speaker 1: if you would like to talk to Megan, you can
47:38
Speaker 1: cruise on over to Growing self dot com to learn
47:40
Speaker 1: more about her. I know that she has a couple
47:43
Speaker 1: of wonderful articles upon our blog right now at growing
47:48
Speaker 1: self dot com. You can take advantage of those and
47:51
Speaker 1: our other online career resources that are all there just
47:55
Speaker 1: for you. And of course, if you would like to
47:58
Speaker 1: speak with Megan, you can always request of first reconsultation
48:02
Speaker 1: and get that party started. So thank you again for
48:06
Speaker 1: visiting with us today, and I'll be back in touch
48:08
Speaker 1: next week with another episode of the podcast.
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Speaker 5: So many things I like to say that could even
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Speaker 5: say your name, so many things I like to say.
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Speaker 5: So many times I like to stop sitting quiet on
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Speaker 5: the floor, so many times
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Speaker 3: I like to stop