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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Calim Marcus
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Speaker 2: billing in for Peter Kredlin. His What's coming up tonight?
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Speaker 2: The brother of one of the first victims in the
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Speaker 2: Bondy terror attack lasts the Prime Minister for visiting him,
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Speaker 2: for not visiting him in hospital or bothering to call.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister hasn't visited any of the families.
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Speaker 2: Good that exclusive interview coming up. A high school teacher
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Speaker 2: in the UK has been referred to a counter terrorism
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Speaker 2: program after suggestions he committed a hate crime by showing
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Speaker 2: students videos of Donald Trump. Will speak to Brendan O'Neill
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Speaker 2: about that extraordinary story and more. A new polling analysis
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Speaker 2: finds the Coalition is losing ground to one Nation among
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Speaker 2: older voters and those without a university degree. But first,
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Speaker 2: if we'd been hoping for any respite from the epidemic
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Speaker 2: of extremism and anti semitism this Christmas, even just a
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Speaker 2: small one in light of last week's massacre, While those
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Speaker 2: hopes were quickly dashed, A rabbi's family in Melbourne woke
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Speaker 2: to this scene in the early hours of Christmas Day yesterday,
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Speaker 2: their car set a light. A sign can be seen
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Speaker 2: on the car's roof wishing people happy Huneker. This attack
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Speaker 2: on a message intended to spread light says everything about
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Speaker 2: the darkness that has been allowed to fester on our
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Speaker 2: streets for more than two years. Now, just days after
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Speaker 2: the worst terror attack Australia has ever seen. That an
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Speaker 2: arsonist can set ablaze a car while young children were
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Speaker 2: sleeping meters away should make everyone sick. The rabbi's wife
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Speaker 2: and kids had to escape through a back door at
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Speaker 2: three am after being woken with a bang. Victorian police
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Speaker 2: today released this image of forty seven year old John Argento,
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Speaker 2: naming him as a person of interest over the attack.
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Speaker 2: They say Argento is known to them and has an
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Speaker 2: outstanding warrant for unrelated charges.
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Speaker 4: But bizarrely, a police.
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Speaker 2: Statement said there is no indication that Argento poses a
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Speaker 2: specific risk to the Jewish community. Police say another car
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Speaker 2: was broken into some twenty minutes earlier, but were any
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Speaker 2: other cars firebomb Were any of the cars attacked this
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Speaker 2: way that weren't so visibly belonging to someone Jewish?
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Speaker 4: Otherwise?
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Speaker 2: I don't understand how police could pop possibly be so
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Speaker 2: confident as to make such a claim there is no
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Speaker 2: risk to the wider Jewish community.
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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, a day earlier.
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Speaker 2: A thirty nine year old West Australian man, Martin Glynn,
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Speaker 2: appeared in court charged over social media messages allegedly pledging
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Speaker 2: support for the Bondai shooters and vilifying Jews. Officers had
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Speaker 2: allegedly found six rifles, four thousand rounds of ammunition, a
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Speaker 2: bomb making shopping list, and Hamas and Hezbollah flags in
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Speaker 2: the man's home. Now, while they have been touching scenes
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Speaker 2: of support from Australians after this attack, clearly there have
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Speaker 2: also been renewed threats to the very community targeted in
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Speaker 2: this massacre. Jewish celebrity chef ed Halmaji felt he had
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Speaker 2: no choice but to close his beloved Sydney bakery Avner's,
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Speaker 2: following two years of sustained anti Semitic threats, graffiti and slurs.
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Speaker 1: Ed.
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Speaker 4: This is such a sad decision. Everyone is heartbroken for you.
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Speaker 4: Why have you decided to shut your doors?
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Speaker 5: The simple fact is that I can't guarantee my family,
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Speaker 5: my staff, my customers, anyone is safe anymore.
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Speaker 2: And another Sydney Jewish eatery locks in a box was
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Speaker 2: flooded with one star and anti Semitic reviews after the shooting.
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Speaker 2: These responses to Bonnie sadly filled me with little hope
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Speaker 2: that we can repair from this pain anytime soon, and
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Speaker 2: certainly not without the drastic action and true introspection required
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Speaker 2: from this government. Here was the response to yesterday's arson
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Speaker 2: attack from the PM.
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Speaker 6: What sort of evil ideology and thoughts at a time
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Speaker 6: like this would motivate someone. We need to root out
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Speaker 6: any evil, that is, any Semitism across the board. My
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Speaker 6: government's committed to do that. I know that the Men's
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Speaker 6: government is committed to do that, and I think across
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Speaker 6: the board that's what Australians want to see.
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Speaker 2: Simply saying the words isn't enough. Prime Minister. The Jewish
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Speaker 2: community has spent the past week begging you for a
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Speaker 2: national royal commission into what happened. We've told you this
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Speaker 2: is the only way to get to the bottom of
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Speaker 2: how this could have taken place and to prevent it
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Speaker 2: from unfolding again. Our please have been echoed now by
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five former judges and senior barristers.
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Speaker 2: A Change dot Org petition is now close to having
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand signatures and the latest Resolve poll conducted for
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Speaker 2: the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age found most people
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Speaker 2: surveyed back a national Royal Commission on anti Semitism. Forty
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Speaker 2: eight percent of people polled said they support one, thirty
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Speaker 2: four percent of neutral, and only seventeen percent oppose it.
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Speaker 2: That poll also found more than three quarters of Australians
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Speaker 2: want tougher immigration screening to identify anti Semitic or extremist views,
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Speaker 2: seventy percent want tougher hate speech laws, and more than
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Speaker 2: half want pro Palestine marches banned.
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Speaker 4: Last night, an.
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Speaker 2: Open letter was also released from the Rabbinical Association of Australasia,
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Speaker 2: representing rabbis across the region. It too calls on Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanesi to establish a federal Royal Commission, saying it is
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Speaker 2: the only way to provide the independence, transparency and public
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Speaker 2: confidence that this moment requires. The rabbis also demand nothing
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Speaker 2: less than an outright ban on pro Palestinian hate marches
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Speaker 2: and the criminalization of the phrases death to the IDF,
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Speaker 2: globalize the Interfada, and from the river to the sea,
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Speaker 2: Palestine will be free, they write. Over the past two
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Speaker 2: years and with devastating clarity. In recent weeks, we have
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Speaker 2: witnessed a profound and dangerous escalation of anti Semitism masquerading
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Speaker 2: as anti Zionism in Australia. The latest attacks and threats
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Speaker 2: against the Jewish community and Australian values by extension show
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Speaker 2: we cannot afford to let the government off the hook
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Speaker 2: this festive season. Albanezi, please make your New Year's resolution
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Speaker 2: to show some humility and finally, finally call a royal commission.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this is Rabbi Daniel Rabin
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Speaker 2: from Callfield Shule in Melbourne. Rabbi, thank you for your
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Speaker 2: time and it's great to see you again. First of all,
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Speaker 2: this letter from Rabbi is from around Australasia demanding a
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Speaker 2: national royal commission. Why do you think this is such
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Speaker 2: a necessary step in your view?
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Caroline's always wonderful to see you, and thank
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Speaker 7: you for your coverage and really being out there, you know,
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Speaker 7: standing up for the truth, and thank you what reporting
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Speaker 7: it as it is. Look, I think you know, obviously,
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Speaker 7: as rabbis is, this is certainly not a political statement whatsoever.
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Speaker 7: It's not a partisan statement. It's simply listening to our
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Speaker 7: community and being people who have experienced not only what
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Speaker 7: they are here about ourselves, you know, seeing the victory
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Speaker 7: or the hate, the abuse of so called social justice,
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Speaker 7: but really cloaking behind the scenes, you know, the hate
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Speaker 7: against the Jewish community and of course you know, using
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Speaker 7: this term Zionism, which if you look at the majority
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Speaker 7: of the Jewish community here in Melbourne, certainly in Sydney
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Speaker 7: as well, you know we're a zis shull a sign
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Speaker 7: as synagogue. And so if you allow people on the
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Speaker 7: street to say all Zionus are terrorists, I'd love to
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Speaker 7: ask these people at the pro palastin your anti Israel,
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Speaker 7: you know protests, was it okay? What happened, you know
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Speaker 7: at Bondai Beach, if these were Jews who subscribed as Zionists,
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Speaker 7: Because the way they are saying and the way they're
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Speaker 7: demonstrating at these rallies seems to suggest that it's okay,
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Speaker 7: and the hate has been building. We at our shore
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Speaker 7: have received for months and months phone calls saying Zionus pigs,
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Speaker 7: you're all terrorists, your baby killers, and so why are
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Speaker 7: we calling for royal commission? Because we need to track
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Speaker 7: the pattern, We need to see where it's spreading, and
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Speaker 7: I don't see any other way to find out the
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Speaker 7: truth and to see exactly how this is unfolded. And
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Speaker 7: primarily because it'll be quite nifish our great value in
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Speaker 7: life to ensure that this never happens again.
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Speaker 2: You asked the question here, do people think that it's
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Speaker 2: justified because the people there, many of them would have
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Speaker 2: been Zionists most of them, I would say, and certainly
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Speaker 2: the members of the Hubbad and.
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Speaker 4: The rabbis there.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, I've had messages from people, from activists and
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Speaker 2: protesters and people I know even who have tried to
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Speaker 2: justify this by saying, well, it happened to Zionists. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm sickened by those messages. But there's definitely that sentiment
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Speaker 2: out there with this. Later there are also calls to
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Speaker 2: ban these hate marches as they're referred to, and criminalize
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Speaker 2: slogans like death to the idf from the river to
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Speaker 2: the sea, Palestine will be free, and globalize the Interfata.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think that those slogans should be banned,
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Speaker 2: that the marches should be stopped.
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Speaker 7: I think the most obvious reason, and anyone who's paying
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Speaker 7: attention with a really objective viewpoint. Of course, people might
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Speaker 7: say I'm bias, I'm a rabbi of a synagogue, but
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Speaker 7: somebody really truly just listens to what he said at
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Speaker 7: these marches, and even the terrorists, you know, the who
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Speaker 7: you know one who is now facing trial, you know,
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Speaker 7: the media terrorists.
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Speaker 4: We have to obviously Ye judged.
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Speaker 7: Yea alleged terrorist. He was they saying that he was
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Speaker 7: saying it was because of Zionism. So if we're saying
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Speaker 7: death to the idea of if we're saying Zionism is terrorism,
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Speaker 7: we're saying globalize the into fighter. These are clear statements
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Speaker 7: that are being perceived and are being felt by the
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Speaker 7: wider public, as you know, the invitation to commit hate crimes,
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Speaker 7: to commit murder even and so it's a loud call
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Speaker 7: on behalf of the entire Jewish community. And that's why
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Speaker 7: the rabbis release the statement is please listen to us.
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Speaker 7: We're not looking to score any partisan points. I don't
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Speaker 7: know how much more clear we can be. This is
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Speaker 7: literally a cry from the height. This is a cry
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Speaker 7: from the community. We are so fortunate to live in Australia.
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Speaker 7: I'm an immigrant here. I love what it's allowed the
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Speaker 7: Jewish community to do. You know, we have a beautiful
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Speaker 7: synagogue here, people learn, they pray, and this is across
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Speaker 7: the board. But this is eroding and if we don't
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Speaker 7: do something drastically, I mean, we've already seen the devastation.
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Speaker 7: It's like it's not even a wake up call anymore
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Speaker 7: because the wake up calls happened. But if we want
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Speaker 7: to prevent this again, I don't understand why a Prime
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Speaker 7: minister would not do everything within his power to stop
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Speaker 7: this and to understand how this has continued for two years.
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Speaker 7: We can wink out. I mean, I hear people cry.
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Speaker 7: They call me, they're crying. People are scared, people don't
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Speaker 7: know where to turn. People are thinking leaving this country.
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Speaker 7: So we want to go back to the Australia that
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Speaker 7: we love and we care about, and we contribute towards
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Speaker 7: the Australia that allows us the freedom to practice our Judaism,
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Speaker 7: to be to spread. Like you saw that vigil on
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Speaker 7: Sunday night, I hope that the rest of the country,
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Speaker 7: the rest of the world saw what we're trying to do.
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Speaker 7: We just want to be active participants in this country,
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Speaker 7: to contribute to it, but also to be purveyors of light,
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Speaker 7: to spread goodness, to spread kindness.
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Speaker 2: Are you aware yet, Rabbi, of any response to this
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Speaker 2: open letter from the Prime Minister or his office?
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Speaker 7: Not as of yet it was sent I think late
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Speaker 7: last night. I'm not sure when we will get a response,
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Speaker 7: if we will get a response, but I have no
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Speaker 7: doubt he would have or he would have be shown
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Speaker 7: where the sentiments of the rabbis is at the moment,
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Speaker 7: because as I said, we're not coming from any other place.
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Speaker 7: Then we want to put an end to this. We
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Speaker 7: want to be able to give our communities and the
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Speaker 7: entire Australia the ability to say we living in a
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Speaker 7: society which promotes peace, love and kindness, not one which
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Speaker 7: allows and tolerates and even you know, becomes so fluent
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Speaker 7: where people can say these terms and people can look
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Speaker 7: at you with walking in the street and people can say, oh,
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Speaker 7: you're asign as you're a pig. And how is this acceptable?
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Speaker 7: How is this become acceptable? That we need to find
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Speaker 7: out and we need to put stops to anywhere that
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Speaker 7: this is filtering in every part, in every aspect of
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Speaker 7: our society.
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of unacceptable, the police have now released this
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Speaker 2: image of a person of interest in the fire bombing
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Speaker 2: of a car in Melbourne in the early hours of
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Speaker 2: Christmas Day. I thought it was curious, Rabbi that Victoria
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Speaker 2: Police say they don't think this man poses a specific
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Speaker 2: risk to the Jewish community when there's clearly been a
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Speaker 2: fire bombing of a car with a Hunnaca message on it.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they can be so sure of
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Speaker 2: that they haven't enlightened us. But how is the Melbourne
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Speaker 2: Jewish community feeling after this latest attack?
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Speaker 4: Just you know, some days after the Bono terror attack.
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Speaker 7: Honestly, my phone was blowing up yesterday the entire day
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Speaker 7: after the news came out. We actually had a beautiful
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Speaker 7: initiative at our shool yesterday Snegog where we took beautiful
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Speaker 7: gifts on Christmas Day two first responders, to police stations,
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Speaker 7: to fire stations, to hospitals from the Jewish community to
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Speaker 7: show them that we're grateful, we have gratitude for all
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Speaker 7: they do. And then, of course the news was coming
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Speaker 7: out and I was receiving phone calls all day. I'm
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Speaker 7: not just you know, exaggerating all day from concerned community members.
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Speaker 7: After everything we've just been through over the past week.
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Speaker 7: People are just coming out of the seven days of
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Speaker 7: mourning for some of the families, and yet again another
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Speaker 7: hate crime, alleged hate crime, and so I'm not sure
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Speaker 7: what Victoria Police is saying. I don't understand if this
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Speaker 7: person because I've seen conflicting reports. I'm saying he's homeless,
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Speaker 7: some saying he's known to them. I don't understand how
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Speaker 7: homeless car gets access to a molotov cocktail, if that's
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Speaker 7: what is being alleged was thrown at this car. So
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Speaker 7: I think we need to wait, and I'm curious and
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Speaker 7: eager to find out what it is. But I don't
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Speaker 7: think people are arresting, assured and sleeping well knowing that
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Speaker 7: this happened in their backyard. Of course, we do appreciate
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Speaker 7: Victoria Police, and I'm hoping they're out there doing their
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Speaker 7: job and we'll catch this person and give us more
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Speaker 7: clarity as to what exactly went on.
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Speaker 2: Yep, let's hope they get to the them of that
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Speaker 2: and that the community doesn't have to live in fear.
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Speaker 4: For too much longer.
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Speaker 2: Rabbi Daniel Rabin, thank you so much for your time
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Speaker 2: and for your leadership in your community as well. Let's
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Speaker 2: return now to the new polling with my panel, former
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott and One Nation
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Speaker 2: Chief of Staff James Ashby. Great to see you both. David,
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Speaker 2: you're here with me on set. I'll start with you.
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Speaker 2: Most of Australian's polls, as I mentioned to be as before,
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Speaker 2: do support a federal Royal Commission into Anti Semitism, and
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Speaker 2: the vas majority wants stronger immigration and stricter hate speech laws.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree, especially as a form of police minister,
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Speaker 2: that that is what is needed now?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: And what we're seeing with all of.
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Speaker 8: These slogans and these chants is the incitement of violence.
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Speaker 8: And Australians don't like that. They don't get it, they
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Speaker 8: don't understand it. I mean, all religious extremism is bad,
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Speaker 8: whether you're in Belfast or in Southern India where you're
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Speaker 8: but I think what we've got see now is a
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Speaker 8: very much better targeted approach to making sure that immigrants
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Speaker 8: that do come in here don't have extremist views. We
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Speaker 8: do it for our police force, we do it for
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Speaker 8: our military, we do it for our parliamentarians when they
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Speaker 8: go through the pre selection process, or most political parties do.
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Speaker 8: And I think it's about time we said, if you
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Speaker 8: want to be part of our community, you're going to
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Speaker 8: need to make sure that you indicate what sort of
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Speaker 8: religious extremism you may be you would bring to us
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Speaker 8: if indeed you become Australian citizen. So these polls do
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Speaker 8: not surprise me at all. I suspect they say in politics,
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Speaker 8: the trend is your friend. I expect you're going to
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Speaker 8: see these continue.
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Speaker 2: To go well, James, I don't think this would be
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Speaker 2: a surprise at all to one nation which has been
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Speaker 2: warning about immigration in the context of extremism and anti
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Speaker 2: semitism for a long time and hasn't been afraid to
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Speaker 2: speak out about it.
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Speaker 5: Into Pauline Hanson's credit, you know, she's been called every
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Speaker 5: name under the sun, from journalists to those within the
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Speaker 5: political realms as well. She stood firm because she's believed
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Speaker 5: in the evidence. The evidence is there, not just within
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Speaker 5: here in Australia now, but also right across the globe.
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Speaker 5: We're seeing this anti semitism, radical Islam seep into Western
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Speaker 5: countries like Europe. Certainly London's having its fair share of
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Speaker 5: issues at the moment.
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Speaker 1: America has had its problems.
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Speaker 5: They've got a sensible president there at the moment that
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Speaker 5: has said we're going to take action. We're going to
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Speaker 5: bran ban people coming from certain countries.
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Speaker 1: We know the UAE is also equally.
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Speaker 5: Critical of some of those countries as well, and they
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Speaker 5: too have taken action against other Muslim nations, not all,
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Speaker 5: but those they know represent a risk to their own
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Speaker 5: people and to their own country. And it's been long overdue.
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Speaker 5: That's all one nation I've ever called for. We've got
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Speaker 5: to take a very critical look at those countries that
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Speaker 5: incite this problem within Australia and globally against Western countries
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Speaker 5: the stand for just different values.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think one example is the fact
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Speaker 2: that we took almost we agreed to take almost three
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Speaker 2: thousand people from a terror enclave in Gaza. And yes,
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Speaker 2: many are innocent civilians, but a lot of them would
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Speaker 2: support the policies of her mask. Perhaps we don't know
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Speaker 2: unless they're as proper thorough screening, which doesn't seem to
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Speaker 2: have taken place. Look, let's talk about more polling now,
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Speaker 2: and a news poll quarterly analysis for The Australian has
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Speaker 2: found the Coalition is losing ground to one nation among
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Speaker 2: older voters and those without a university education, while younger
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Speaker 2: voters and those with university degrees continue to lurch further
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Speaker 2: to the left. James, I'll start with you this time,
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Speaker 2: yet more polling showing conservative voters are deserting the coalition
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Speaker 2: for your party.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've been doing it for some time now because
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Speaker 5: there's no leadership within the so called Conservative opposition, it
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Speaker 5: doesn't exist. Susan Lee has been a great disappointment and
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Speaker 5: a failure, and unfortunately she has nobody else qualified to
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Speaker 5: take that role either. Their front bench has been very
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Speaker 5: absent of talent, and so people turn to other reputable
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Speaker 5: parties that have got true leadership.
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Speaker 1: And that's what one nation offer.
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Speaker 5: It's not just the leadership, it's the common sense policies
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Speaker 5: that we've been putting forward much stronger ahead of this
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Speaker 5: more recent election than what the coalition had. And it's
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Speaker 5: those policies that people can find on our website if
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Speaker 5: they go and have a look. If you go to
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Speaker 5: the other two major parties websites, they don't have policies.
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Speaker 5: They certainly don't have policies that tick the box of
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Speaker 5: families and our retirees. Those who go to universities tend
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Speaker 5: to be indoctrinated more to the left, and we're seeing
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Speaker 5: that with the votes for the Greens and Labor. But
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Speaker 5: those people who have got out there and worked hard,
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Speaker 5: done their apprenticeships, gone and worked for our defense force,
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Speaker 5: working frontline as ambulance, police and nurses, and our retirees.
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Speaker 5: They recognize the value in one nation policies and that's
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Speaker 5: why there is a swath of people coming our way.
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Speaker 5: They're dumping the Coalition and Paula and Hanson. I hope
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Speaker 5: we've got two years, not just to be at twenty percent.
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Speaker 5: In two years time, I want to see this in
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Speaker 5: the mid thirties to high thirties, so that we can
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Speaker 5: take government and we're forced to see the back end
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Speaker 5: of this Labor Party with good, sensible, sound policy from
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Speaker 5: one Nation.
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Speaker 2: Well, David, I should point out this analysis was done
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Speaker 2: a period before the Bono attack. I found the opposition's
21:41
Speaker 2: response to it quite strong, including Susan Lees. Do you
21:46
Speaker 2: think what has happened since this polling, which ran until
21:51
Speaker 2: the end of November, do you think that could change
21:53
Speaker 2: things in the polls for the opposition.
21:55
Speaker 8: I think it will because the Liberal Party has true
22:00
Speaker 8: additionally had a very strong standing when it comes to
22:03
Speaker 8: defense and security and law and order in the electric
22:07
Speaker 8: right across the country. And John Howard was able to,
22:11
Speaker 8: I think, capture the concerns and respond and reflect on
22:15
Speaker 8: the concerns of the Australian people after nine to eleven
22:18
Speaker 8: and after the Barley bombings, and I think they will
22:20
Speaker 8: I think the vote will come back. The concern, of course,
22:23
Speaker 8: is in Australian politics, their two major political parties vote
22:27
Speaker 8: base was always weakening. It's been weakening for a decade now.
22:32
Speaker 8: And of course I always took the view that net
22:34
Speaker 8: zero was going to be our DLP, it was going
22:36
Speaker 8: to split the Liberal Party and what we're seeing at
22:38
Speaker 8: the moment is that vote that is concerned about net
22:41
Speaker 8: zero go to one nation. There's no denying that, but
22:45
Speaker 8: we need to articulate that our policy better probably removed
22:49
Speaker 8: the term net zero. But I think after BONDI there
22:53
Speaker 8: will be a wave of return to the Liberal Party
22:57
Speaker 8: as I think they are's the electorate to all or
23:00
Speaker 8: the voters come back to what they know is are
23:02
Speaker 8: tried and trusted political force when it comes to security defense.
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Speaker 4: I can just see James shaking his head back there.
23:09
Speaker 4: You don't agree James on.
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Speaker 1: Busins it won't happen.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't agree, because they're abandoning the membership as well.
23:16
Speaker 5: They're not just saying during these snappoles that they're going
23:19
Speaker 5: to come and vote one nation. They're actually joining a
23:21
Speaker 5: party like one Nation, and that is critical to when
23:25
Speaker 5: it comes to handing out on piling boots. The people
23:27
Speaker 5: who have traditionally backed the Liberal or National Party are
23:31
Speaker 5: leaving in drives and they're joining with their money and
23:34
Speaker 5: their donations and coming to one Nation.
23:36
Speaker 1: So I don't see this happening.
23:38
Speaker 5: And now I don't see the strong leadership that once
23:40
Speaker 5: would have been there if the likes of Tony Abbott
23:43
Speaker 5: or John Howard was still within the party. The leadership
23:46
Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party is its greatest failings, and they've
23:49
Speaker 5: got too many people on the progressive left side now
23:53
Speaker 5: within the party holding the majority of seats within it.
23:56
Speaker 8: Well, James, with respect, your party doesn't have a great
23:58
Speaker 8: reputation when it comes to maintaining candidates in the parliament.
24:02
Speaker 8: The coins then one Nation after you had that surge
24:06
Speaker 8: in the nineteen nineties left You had three for a
24:09
Speaker 8: while there in New South Wales Parliament. They've all left, So.
24:13
Speaker 5: You can't even hold on to Barnaby Joyce, the strongest
24:16
Speaker 5: retail politician.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry some.
24:20
Speaker 5: Would say you were to abandoning the Liberal and National
24:23
Speaker 5: Party all compare them to us because you've lost your
24:26
Speaker 5: fair share as well. Cory Bernardi was another one who
24:29
Speaker 5: had great common sense to get the hell out of
24:31
Speaker 5: there when you could see the party turning left. So
24:33
Speaker 5: do not tell me about people abandoning political parties.
24:36
Speaker 1: It's happening right, Just stay in a fact.
24:38
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.
24:39
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce were very popular when I
24:42
Speaker 2: was at the Bonno vigil last week, but so worked
24:45
Speaker 2: John Howard and Josh Fridenberger's wife, Barnaby and Pauline's reception.
24:49
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen anything like it. Look, let's move on quickly.
24:52
Speaker 2: Hero Bonny cop probationary Constable Jack Hibbert has been pictured
24:57
Speaker 2: for the first time since leaving hospital after the twenty
25:00
Speaker 2: two year old was shot in the eye and shoulder
25:02
Speaker 2: whilst saving a member of the public. David, I'll just
25:05
Speaker 2: get your opinion on this quickly. As a former police minister,
25:10
Speaker 2: how do events like these impact the cops involved and
25:13
Speaker 2: their colleagues? What this man did in trying to save
25:16
Speaker 2: people even after he'd been shot, I understand was heroic.
25:21
Speaker 8: This is the sort of stuff that keeps police ministers
25:23
Speaker 8: and police commissioners awake at night. And I suppose the
25:26
Speaker 8: next person that says defund the police needs to have
25:28
Speaker 8: a look at the photo of this young constable.
25:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do.
25:32
Speaker 2: And James, I want to get your view on this.
25:34
Speaker 2: We only have about a minute left. But ABC Managing
25:37
Speaker 2: director Hugh Marx, he's been accused of undermining the ABC
25:41
Speaker 2: ombudsman's investigation into the broadcaster's Bondai coverage. After he released
25:45
Speaker 2: his statement clearing Laura Tingle and Sarah Ferguson are wrongdoing
25:50
Speaker 2: very quickly, the Tingle had a podcast she said the
25:52
Speaker 2: attack had nothing to do with religion. Ferguson suggested Josh
25:56
Speaker 2: Freidenberg was just visiting the Bonai memorial and picking out
26:00
Speaker 2: against the government to be political. It's pretty remarkable that
26:04
Speaker 2: he marks would preempt this investigation and come to such
26:07
Speaker 2: a finding. It should be obvious that that was biased.
26:11
Speaker 5: There well, especially when it was the ABC who introduced
26:16
Speaker 5: the on budsmen themselves. This wasn't this wasn't a government
26:19
Speaker 5: implemented ABC on budsmen. This was called for by the
26:23
Speaker 5: Board of Directors from the ABC and here they are
26:25
Speaker 5: undermining it once again.
26:26
Speaker 1: Though.
26:27
Speaker 5: We're just seeing the ABC more or less seen as
26:30
Speaker 5: the untouchables.
26:31
Speaker 1: And it's why one nation of take a.
26:32
Speaker 5: Strong stance here and said we should be defunding or
26:36
Speaker 5: making it a subscription service to the ABC, especially their
26:40
Speaker 5: TV network. I'm not saying we defund the regional radio networks.
26:43
Speaker 5: I think they're of great value to Australia. But as
26:46
Speaker 5: for the TV networks, look, they've proven time and time
26:48
Speaker 5: again that they're only undermining their own credibility. I might
26:52
Speaker 5: just add by doing this, because the Australian public no
26:56
Speaker 5: longer trusts the ABC and with actions like this, it
26:59
Speaker 5: just further roags that trust.
27:01
Speaker 2: You know, it was only three days before the attacks
27:03
Speaker 2: that mister Mark said accuracy and impartiality are fundamental principles
27:08
Speaker 2: for journalists at the ABC, and he's already gone against
27:12
Speaker 2: what he said himself. David Elliott James Ashby, thank you
27:14
Speaker 2: both so much for your time still to come. The
27:17
Speaker 2: Jewish paramedic shot during the Bondlid terror attack is finally
27:22
Speaker 2: out of hospital and his brother lashes Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi,
27:27
Speaker 2: but not bothering to visit that explosive interview. Next, welcome
27:36
Speaker 2: back paramedic Yakov Yankee Super was among the first people
27:41
Speaker 2: shot during the Bondlid terror attack. The twenty four year
27:45
Speaker 2: old Hutsola medical volunteer recounted his terrifying experience in an
27:50
Speaker 2: interview with my colleague Shari Markson last week.
27:54
Speaker 9: All I I just felt like a zap in my
27:56
Speaker 9: body and I felt to the ground and then did
27:59
Speaker 9: you real Yeah, pretty much straight away. Then blood's been
28:02
Speaker 9: coming out of my mouth, and those I thought shot
28:05
Speaker 9: in the head probably felt around was shot in the head,
28:08
Speaker 9: and I could feel blocking in my back, and then
28:10
Speaker 9: then I could already see just shots flying over me
28:13
Speaker 9: in the entire park on the ground. I from the
28:16
Speaker 9: ground looked at my left, people lying to my right,
28:18
Speaker 9: people lying on the ground.
28:21
Speaker 2: Yankee was shot in the back, the bullet missing his
28:24
Speaker 2: spine by two centimeters and the shrapnel collapsing his right lung.
28:30
Speaker 2: He's required multiple surgeries, but I'm happy to share some
28:34
Speaker 2: good news tonight. Yankee is finally out of hospital. I
28:38
Speaker 2: spoke to Yankee's brother, Rabbi Penny Souper a little earlier
28:43
Speaker 2: and he gave us the latest update.
28:45
Speaker 3: Oh thank god, Yankee left hospital twelfth today, plus some
28:51
Speaker 3: Roger recoverys were happy enough mentally hospital and return. So
28:57
Speaker 3: we're very very, very.
28:58
Speaker 2: Very grateful for the last time we spoke with your
29:02
Speaker 2: brother Yankee. From my colleague Shari Markson, he'd had three surgeries,
29:07
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if he would need more at that stage,
29:09
Speaker 2: and his right lung was only at half capacity. Did
29:13
Speaker 2: he end up needing more procedures? And what is the
29:15
Speaker 2: full extent of his injuries and the impact on him now?
29:19
Speaker 3: So right now, his lungs have already improved nothing, he's
29:23
Speaker 3: breathing on his own. The wound still needs a lot
29:28
Speaker 3: of time to heal, to perform a lot of surgeries
29:31
Speaker 3: on him as well, so he has some healing still
29:35
Speaker 3: to go. But he's able to walk now and breathe
29:37
Speaker 3: on his own, and he has he's not expected, he
29:41
Speaker 3: expected to helpful recovery, which is really, really, really, he's
29:45
Speaker 3: a miracle.
29:46
Speaker 2: It is such a miracle when you consider what happened
29:49
Speaker 2: on that day. I know he said he's very keen
29:52
Speaker 2: on getting back to being a paramedic, and helping to
29:55
Speaker 2: save other lives, which is so honorable. But as you say,
29:59
Speaker 2: he has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Still,
30:01
Speaker 2: do doctors know how long it will take for him
30:04
Speaker 2: to get back to work and doing what he loves.
30:07
Speaker 2: What do you think the next few months will look
30:09
Speaker 2: like for him.
30:11
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how long it'll take him to recover.
30:15
Speaker 3: It all really depends on how his body recovers and heels,
30:19
Speaker 3: but I expect that in a couple of weeks he'll
30:22
Speaker 3: be back in his solo event and just taking calls
30:26
Speaker 3: and depending emergencies. He's so connected to his work with
30:29
Speaker 3: ATOLA that he wanted to be taken home out of
30:32
Speaker 3: the hospital with the director of Otsala by Mandy Litzman,
30:37
Speaker 3: who actually came in a Hatzalo vent picked him up
30:40
Speaker 3: from the hospital looking back home, and he was so
30:43
Speaker 3: so happy that in the la event once.
30:46
Speaker 2: Again, that would have been a very special moment. Now
30:50
Speaker 2: he's had more time to reflect on what's happened to him,
30:53
Speaker 2: Has Yankee told you any more about what his latest
30:56
Speaker 2: feelings are about this attack and what the response has
30:58
Speaker 2: been from the community, the government.
31:01
Speaker 3: I mean, Yankee's friend is going off the hook. He's
31:03
Speaker 3: getting calls from people all over the world. This is
31:07
Speaker 3: a real huge moment for our community and for Andre
31:11
Speaker 3: and and he's kind of been at the center of it.
31:14
Speaker 3: Everyone is inquiring how he is, getting constant messages or
31:19
Speaker 3: paramedics who know him through his work reaching out to him.
31:22
Speaker 3: People who is met through his work are reaching out
31:24
Speaker 3: to him. This one's going off and unstopped that. This morning,
31:28
Speaker 3: while I was at the hospital with him getting ready
31:30
Speaker 3: to leave the hospital, he was on the phone with
31:34
Speaker 3: a young man from the community, and I heard him
31:37
Speaker 3: saying thank you, thank you so much for everything you did.
31:39
Speaker 3: You did for me on that day. And I asked
31:41
Speaker 3: him afterwards, like whoozzy and what we're thanking him for?
31:45
Speaker 3: He said, when he initially got shot, he went down
31:49
Speaker 3: to the floor and all the people around went down
31:52
Speaker 3: to the floor. So Yankee was on the floor that's
31:54
Speaker 3: shot leaving, wasn't able to breathe, and he this morning,
31:58
Speaker 3: Yankee was on the phone with there was a guy
32:01
Speaker 3: laying down with him on the floor who was okay,
32:04
Speaker 3: who wasn't shot. He was laying down it's for safety
32:08
Speaker 3: next to Yankee, and he was just talking to Yankie
32:10
Speaker 3: telling him to just keep on talking to me, keep
32:12
Speaker 3: on talking to me, stay alive, stay alive, keep on breathing.
32:16
Speaker 3: I'm here for you. And this guy lay down with
32:19
Speaker 3: Yankee the whole time until the eating ended, and Yankee
32:24
Speaker 3: was just so grateful to him for really helping him.
32:29
Speaker 3: So it's Yankees coming to terms with the fact that
32:33
Speaker 3: he was shot. I mean that reality is very, very
32:36
Speaker 3: difficult to process, the fact that you were shot. He's
32:40
Speaker 3: coming to terms with it, kind of brokes around about
32:43
Speaker 3: it a little bit. That's Yunky with the super and
32:46
Speaker 3: he likes to make life of things, but he's coming
32:50
Speaker 3: to terms with the gravity of the situation. Because FAM's
32:53
Speaker 3: physical is still recovery.
32:56
Speaker 2: It must have been so amazing for him to reconnect
32:59
Speaker 2: with that person who gave him support during those moments.
33:03
Speaker 2: Has Yankee or the family heard from the PM during
33:06
Speaker 2: his time in hospital? Does he want to hear from
33:09
Speaker 2: the PM? I understand from previous media reports that he
33:12
Speaker 2: was angry at the government's lack of action on anti
33:14
Speaker 2: Semitism in the past couple of years.
33:18
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, we'll been. I mean everyone in the
33:21
Speaker 3: community has been very alarmed at the inaction of the government,
33:26
Speaker 3: but Yankie himself doesn't like to be involved in anything politically.
33:30
Speaker 3: You know, as a paramedic, his role really is to
33:33
Speaker 3: save lives and to help people and all people, no
33:37
Speaker 3: matter if the Jewish, if they're not Jewish, through the
33:39
Speaker 3: work of Hattala. So he Yankee doesn't really comment much
33:43
Speaker 3: on politics. But as a family, I mean, I mean,
33:49
Speaker 3: we have a lot to say at least about the government.
33:55
Speaker 3: The moment, we haven't heard from Albans at all, but
33:59
Speaker 3: we're not surprised. I mean, the one the one thing
34:03
Speaker 3: that was coming to my mind really early early on,
34:06
Speaker 3: like in the few days following Sunday with the Prime
34:10
Speaker 3: Minister is prime Minister of all Australians. He's a Prime
34:14
Speaker 3: Minister or Indigenous Australians, prem Minister for Immigrant Australians, is
34:20
Speaker 3: a Prime Minister for Jewish Australians who are the Prime
34:22
Speaker 3: Minister's role. Role is to keep Australians safe and all
34:27
Speaker 3: Australians safe. Some day as pamful failure in the government,
34:32
Speaker 3: So the.
34:34
Speaker 2: Jewish people pretty remarkable that the PM hasn't reached out
34:39
Speaker 2: to the family but has met with other people like
34:42
Speaker 2: the hero Ahmed Ala Ahmed and the PM says he's
34:47
Speaker 2: met with other families.
34:48
Speaker 4: I know Yankee isn't political, as you.
34:51
Speaker 2: Say, but what is your feeling about what needs to
34:54
Speaker 2: happen next?
34:56
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister hasn't visited any of the families the
35:01
Speaker 3: disease of the severely wounded. I would just say to
35:05
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, I understand that the Prime Minister feels
35:10
Speaker 3: or thinks that he may be confronted. We saw how
35:14
Speaker 3: he was confronted the memorial on Sunday. But I would
35:17
Speaker 3: like to remind the Prime Minister that as Prime Minister,
35:21
Speaker 3: your job is to be Prime Minister of all Australians,
35:25
Speaker 3: not as Australians who like you, also Autrillians who may
35:28
Speaker 3: have some criticism to share with you.
35:30
Speaker 2: And tell us how Yankee intends to spend his first
35:33
Speaker 2: few days out of hospital. Is there something he's looking
35:36
Speaker 2: forward to doing.
35:37
Speaker 3: The Yankee is very very happy to be out of hospital,
35:40
Speaker 3: although he does enjoy certain elements of hospital. He's a paramedic,
35:44
Speaker 3: so he likes the you know, the different machines and
35:46
Speaker 3: what are doing and he's he's very very involved in
35:49
Speaker 3: all of that. A bit of a pile than a
35:52
Speaker 3: candy shop for him, but he's very happy to be
35:55
Speaker 3: out back with family. Calm is looking for having a
36:00
Speaker 3: beautiful Sabbat with the family starting tonight. It's just really
36:05
Speaker 3: really grateful for the miracle and for everyone's prayers. I
36:08
Speaker 3: mean thousands and thousands of people have been praying and
36:10
Speaker 3: doing a mintla the New South Wales government that the
36:16
Speaker 3: initiative of who were Mintlah and all people who's and
36:20
Speaker 3: andrews are like an act of goodness and kindness towards
36:25
Speaker 3: their fellow Australians in the merit of the Speedio recovery
36:29
Speaker 3: for all this interest and in memory of those who
36:32
Speaker 3: have fallen.
36:33
Speaker 2: Very strong words, Rabbi Rabbi Penny Super, thank you so
36:37
Speaker 2: much for your time and giving us this positive news
36:40
Speaker 2: about Yankee.
36:41
Speaker 4: Please give him our very best.
36:43
Speaker 3: Fell us so well. Thank you.
36:46
Speaker 2: I just find that extraordinary. But we did reach out
36:50
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister's office for comment about whether he
36:53
Speaker 2: had made any attempts to contact Yankee or other families
36:58
Speaker 2: of victims like his brother's said, but the Prime Minister's
37:01
Speaker 2: people did not get back to us. Still to come,
37:05
Speaker 2: we look back on the deadly two thousand and four
37:08
Speaker 2: Indian Ocean tsunami, an Australian policeman who was sent to
37:12
Speaker 2: help joins me next.
37:19
Speaker 4: Well, it's been twenty one.
37:20
Speaker 2: Years since a massive earthquake in the Indian Ocean triggered
37:24
Speaker 2: the horrific Boxing Day tsunami, causing the deaths of at
37:28
Speaker 2: least two hundred and twenty five thousand people, mostly in Indonesia, Thailand,
37:34
Speaker 2: India and Sri Lanka. Joining me now is former New
37:37
Speaker 2: South Wales Police forensic investigator Peter Bains, who was deployed
37:42
Speaker 2: to Thailand as part of an international team to assist
37:46
Speaker 2: with recovery efforts. Peter, good to see you again. It's
37:50
Speaker 2: been two decades now, can you believe it? Since the tsunami,
37:53
Speaker 2: But no doubt the memories are still strong for you.
37:58
Speaker 4: What was it like?
37:59
Speaker 2: Do you remember confronting the scene when you got got there?
38:04
Speaker 10: Yes, good evening. It's something that no matter how much
38:08
Speaker 10: time passes, I doubt that I'll ever forget walking through
38:12
Speaker 10: the gates of the temple at wat Yanyoo, to be
38:15
Speaker 10: confronted with the scene of three and a half thousand
38:19
Speaker 10: decomposing bodies in that one temple alone, and I think
38:24
Speaker 10: of the four hundred and fifty forensic practitioners who would
38:27
Speaker 10: travel there from thirty six different countries. I think it's
38:31
Speaker 10: safe to say that no one had ever seen what
38:34
Speaker 10: we were confronted with in those early days.
38:38
Speaker 2: Just unimaginable, those sorts of scenes, and no wonder that
38:42
Speaker 2: they stick with you for so long. And to add
38:46
Speaker 2: to that, you've also been going back to Thailand, returning
38:49
Speaker 2: to the scene of the crime, if you will, for
38:51
Speaker 2: the past twenty one years. You've continued to go back
38:54
Speaker 2: support local communities. Last year when we spoke last you
38:59
Speaker 2: even ran fourteen hundred kilometers across the country in twenty
39:02
Speaker 2: six days to raise money. How much did you end
39:05
Speaker 2: up raising and have you got any other big fundraising
39:08
Speaker 2: drives planned?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was quite a different Christmas and Boxing Day
39:14
Speaker 10: this year to last year. As you said, Christmas last
39:20
Speaker 10: year and the month of December was spent running fourteen
39:23
Speaker 10: hundred kilometers sixty kilometers a day for twenty six days
39:27
Speaker 10: from the northeast of Thailand down to that tsunami affected area.
39:33
Speaker 10: And I actually finished at the temple that I've just described,
39:37
Speaker 10: where there was three and a half thousand bodies. Was
39:40
Speaker 10: an incredible experience. It's hard to hard to comprehend as
39:45
Speaker 10: we sit around here at home tonight and reflect on
39:48
Speaker 10: the last twelve months, and it was hugely successful. We
39:52
Speaker 10: raised six hundred and seventy thousand dollars, which was an outstanding,
39:58
Speaker 10: outstanding effort, and it's just whilst it was a pinnacle
40:03
Speaker 10: of the work that we've done in Thailand from a
40:06
Speaker 10: personal journey, our work continues and I'll be back there
40:10
Speaker 10: in in just over a week's time to lead our
40:13
Speaker 10: next eight hundred kilometer bike ride through Thailand, which we
40:17
Speaker 10: repeat on several occasions throughout the year, and very much
40:22
Speaker 10: looking forward to getting back there and getting on the bike.
40:26
Speaker 2: It always seems to involve some kind of extreme sport
40:29
Speaker 2: with you, you know, Peter, it's incredible what you do.
40:33
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of the times when you have
40:34
Speaker 2: a major disaster like this, people spend a lot of
40:38
Speaker 2: time talking about it, thinking about it, reporting about it,
40:41
Speaker 2: and then they move on. But it's a tribute to
40:43
Speaker 2: you that we're still talking about it twenty one years later.
40:46
Speaker 2: How is the community, how are the communities they are
40:49
Speaker 2: still affected? And how can people support your work at home?
40:53
Speaker 11: Yeah?
40:54
Speaker 10: Thank you, and I think that there's a whole range
40:57
Speaker 10: of services that are provided by some wonderful charity. Some
41:00
Speaker 10: of them arrive within hours, if not or days and
41:06
Speaker 10: provide that immediate care and support and that's their remit
41:10
Speaker 10: and they do an amazing job.
41:12
Speaker 11: Ours is different.
41:13
Speaker 10: I started Hands Across the Water as a result of
41:17
Speaker 10: that tragedy, and we've grown to different operations and different
41:23
Speaker 10: locations throughout Thailand. We've raised over forty million dollars. We've
41:27
Speaker 10: provided access to scholarships for fifty six kids who have
41:32
Speaker 10: graduated from university. This year, will work on the building
41:36
Speaker 10: and opening of an agriculture center, a hospitality center, and
41:42
Speaker 10: our work for a long time has been supporting though
41:46
Speaker 10: it is not affected in any way by the tsunami,
41:49
Speaker 10: but that first home that we built, it still has
41:53
Speaker 10: one hundred odd kids and there's still the demands and
41:55
Speaker 10: the requests that come from the local government and local
41:59
Speaker 10: hospital and police agencies for us to support the children,
42:03
Speaker 10: and that need I will see will continue for a
42:06
Speaker 10: long time and we will continue to do that. And
42:10
Speaker 10: your question, how do people become aware or support It's
42:14
Speaker 10: obviously through our charity, which is Hands across the Water,
42:17
Speaker 10: but on the run that I did when we spoke
42:21
Speaker 10: last year, there was a book that came out of it,
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Speaker 10: and it's called Together We Can, which was released and
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Speaker 10: captures the captures the story and the journey, and it's
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Speaker 10: the fourth of the books that I've wrote, and that
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Speaker 10: one that was up there is the first, but the
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Speaker 10: latest one, Together we Can, is out now and talks
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Speaker 10: about the last twenty years and also talks about the
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Speaker 10: incredible experience of the run and how we couldn't have
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Speaker 10: done it without the team that was there.
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Speaker 11: To support well.
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Speaker 2: Peter Bain's congratulations on all your efforts and no doubt
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Speaker 2: we'll speak again next year and for many years to come.
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Speaker 2: That organization www dot Hands Across the Water, dot org
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Speaker 2: dot au. People can find that website address on your
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Speaker 2: screens now. Thanks again, Peter.
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Speaker 4: Still to come.
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Speaker 2: The Royals celebrate Christmas and Donald Trump strikes ICE's forces
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Speaker 2: in Nigeria after terrorists continue to massacre Christians. Brendan O'Neil
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Speaker 2: is up next. Welcome back to the show. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: in Spiked Onlines chief political writer Brendan O'Neill. Brendan, Merry
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Speaker 2: Christmas to you, Thank you for coming on. Let's start
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Speaker 2: tonight with the Royal families. Christmas celebrations. Princess Beatrice and
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Speaker 2: Eugenie were there, but noticeably absent their disgraced parents, the
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Speaker 2: former Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.
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Speaker 4: But it was Prince Louis who stole the show.
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Speaker 2: Just a boy with a very big Lynch chocolate ball.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully we can show you as a bit of footage
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Speaker 2: of that in a little while. Also conspicuous in their
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Speaker 2: non attendance were Prince Harry, Megan Markle and their two
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Speaker 2: children Brendan. I suppose, like many families over Christmas, there
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Speaker 2: are fallouts and splits. But what were your observations about
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Speaker 2: the royal celebrations this year.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's right that Beatrice and Eugenie were
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Speaker 11: there because you know, you shouldn't visit the sins of
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Speaker 11: the father on too the children of course, and they
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Speaker 11: have every right to be there. But the thing about
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Speaker 11: the royal families Christmas morning is that it's a very
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Speaker 11: public event. People take photographs, people go to see them.
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Speaker 11: So it wasn't possible for them to have Andrew Mountbatten
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Speaker 11: windsor there as we now must call him, because they
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Speaker 11: can't have him in public because he has disgraced himself
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Speaker 11: and just last week there were further revelations from the
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Speaker 11: Epstein files and it seems allegedly that Andrew wrote a
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Speaker 11: note to Gilain Maxwell a few years ago asking her
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Speaker 11: to introduce him to some new inappropriate friends. So you know,
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Speaker 11: his involvement in this scandal might be even worse than
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Speaker 11: some of us thought. So he really has cast a
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Speaker 11: shadow over the royal family. I'm glad all of this
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Speaker 11: is happening when his mother passed away, because it would
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Speaker 11: have been incredibly stressful for her. I mean these latest
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Speaker 11: developments of course, but you know he has kind of
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Speaker 11: caused a rift in that family and it's very difficult
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Speaker 11: for King Charles, I think, to try and hold all
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Speaker 11: of this together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like the right move to take away
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Speaker 2: those titles and just increase the distance when they knew
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Speaker 2: a lot worse is going to come out, and that
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Speaker 2: inappropriate girl's comment was shocking, shocking. I'll show people now
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Speaker 2: that chocolate bull I mentioned because it was a bit
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Speaker 2: strange without people giving the context. It was a large
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Speaker 2: Lynch chocolate bull that a member of the public game
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Speaker 2: to Lewis and he immediately seized upon.
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Speaker 4: So you can see that on your screen.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, Brendan, let's move on to this very powerful piece,
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Speaker 2: another one that you've written for the Australian newspaper this
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Speaker 2: week about the terror attack in Bonli and imploring Australia
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Speaker 2: not to repeat Britain's blunders by ignoring the scourge of
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Speaker 2: Islamic extremism. You say you're one piece of advice for
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Speaker 2: Australia after bonni Is. Don't do what the UK did,
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Speaker 2: don't frustrate discussion, don't bury the truth out of a
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Speaker 2: squeamish dread of social instability. Name the ideology that threatens you,
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Speaker 2: shout it from the rooftops and do something about it.
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Speaker 2: You reference also the ABC's Laura Tingle, who I told
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Speaker 2: viewers earlier claimed the attack had nothing to do with religion,
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Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanese's visible bristling whenever he's asked about radical Islam.
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Speaker 4: How dangerous, in your view would it be to.
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Speaker 2: Continue going down the path that this country currently seems
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Speaker 2: to be on.
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Speaker 11: Very dangerous indeed, and we've had a problem of Islamic
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Speaker 11: extremism and Islamic terrorism in the UK for a long time,
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Speaker 11: right back to two thousand and five, of course, with
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Speaker 11: a seven seven bombings. But a really bad year for
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Speaker 11: us was twenty seventeen. That's when we had the Manchester
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Speaker 11: Arena bombing, and there was also the London Bridge attack
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Speaker 11: and the Westminster Bridge attack. Scores of people were killed,
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Speaker 11: including children, by radical extreme Islamists, and the terrible thing
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Speaker 11: is we were just not allowed to talk about it.
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Speaker 11: That really is not an exaggeration. We were told to grieve,
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Speaker 11: to lay a flower, to sing that great Oasis song,
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Speaker 11: don't look back in anger, and then just move on
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Speaker 11: with our lives. We were discouraged from talking about it,
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Speaker 11: even from naming the ideology. It actually became a risky
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Speaker 11: business in this country. To say the word Islamist or
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Speaker 11: Islamic extremism, or anything that seemed to suggest that these
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Speaker 11: were religiously motivated attacks was completely disallowed. You would really
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Speaker 11: get in trouble if you did that in public, you'd
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Speaker 11: be accused of Islamophobia. That term Islamophobia was used to
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Speaker 11: very strictly control what we were allowed to say and
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Speaker 11: what we were allowed to think. The consequence of that
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Speaker 11: is that Islamic extremism continued to grow, it continued to
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Speaker 11: spread because we didn't get a handle on it, and
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Speaker 11: we didn't even talk about it. Honestly. You know, there
47:57
Speaker 11: was a point about ten years ago when there were
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Speaker 11: more young British Muslim Men in Isis than there were
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Speaker 11: in the British Army. That's a real problem for a
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Speaker 11: country like us, that's a problem for any country. That
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Speaker 11: really speaks to the savage fraying of our social bonds.
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Speaker 11: And I think we have to be able to have
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Speaker 11: an honest discussion about the ideologies that threaten us. And
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Speaker 11: if Australia doesn't do that after BONDI I think it
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Speaker 11: will be in big trouble.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're dangerously heading down a very similar
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Speaker 2: road to our cousins over in the UK. I wanted
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Speaker 2: to chat to about a few other things, but it
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Speaker 2: was just too important to get your messages out there
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Speaker 2: about that. Brendan O'Neill, thanks for your time. That's all
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Speaker 2: the time we have for tonight. Up next, Josh Fridenberg's
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Speaker 2: documentary Never Again, The Fight against Anti Semitism