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Amy Bradley is Missing · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, twenty three year old Amy Lynn
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  Speaker 1: Bradley vanished without a trace while on the open water
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  Speaker 1: during a family cruise in the Caribbean. What should have
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  Speaker 1: been a relaxing vacation turned into one of the most
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  Speaker 1: baffling missing person cases in modern history, filled with suspicious sightings,
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  Speaker 1: bounched investigations, and a growing theory of human trafficking. Here
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  Speaker 1: we are decades later, an Amy has never been found,
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  Speaker 1: but the mystery around her disappearance only continues to deepen.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram,
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  Speaker 2: a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast and material intended more mature audience listeners. Us.
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  Speaker 2: One of our dogs is snoring. I don't think anyone's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be able to hear that, but I can hear it.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably loving it. You were just away for a
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  Speaker 1: few days. You're back home to hear the sounds of
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  Speaker 1: the home.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of funny because we recorded the
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  Speaker 2: last podcast and I literally hit the road and I've
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  Speaker 2: gotten home and we're recording a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It's working out great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem to be working out. So I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I am like a little tired, but uh, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, we're here to be fair, it is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit late tonight, We're recording a little bit later and
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  Speaker 1: normal I'm a bit tired too, but well, sorry, go ahead, no,
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  Speaker 1: you go ahead. I was gonna say, but we got
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  Speaker 1: quite the case to come up, we do.
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, yesterday I was at
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  Speaker 2: a hotel and at three in the morning, the fire
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  Speaker 2: alarm went off and we had to go be evacuated
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  Speaker 2: for like an hour in the middle of the.
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  Speaker 1: Night, which would suck hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I've never experienced something like that. It
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  Speaker 2: was wild, and I swear to god, not everyone even
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  Speaker 2: came out because there wasn't that many people out when
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  Speaker 2: the hotel was full. So that's also interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure the hotel was actually full?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the parking lot was like packed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really okay, yeah, then people were just like fuck
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  Speaker 1: it most likely guaranteed.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, which is not saved, not save at all.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a very jarring wake up at
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  Speaker 2: three in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine it's like, holy shit. Well, before we
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  Speaker 1: get into the case and before we talk too much
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  Speaker 1: about fire alarms middle of the night, that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I want to give a little shout out to our
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  Speaker 1: patrons who signed up this week.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: So we have Ashton Matchell. I hope I said your
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  Speaker 1: last name right, Rebecca Cloutsis. I hope I said your
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  Speaker 1: last name right. I'm gonna say that for everyone. I
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  Speaker 1: hope I say all your first and last names right.
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  Speaker 1: Cadence Davis, Leonardo Lozano, Kaylin Gwillin, Carol Ryan, and Marissa.
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  Speaker 2: Rash right on. That's a good list.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to you guys, Thank you for joining us
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  Speaker 1: on Patreon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to get a patron episode here only in
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  Speaker 1: a few.
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  Speaker 2: Days, so holy shit, yes they are.
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  Speaker 1: You just realize it's the end of July. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which means August, September, October, October. We got a plan
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  Speaker 1: er Halloween photo shoot.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got a lot to plan actually for that,
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  Speaker 2: we got to start getting our button gear.
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  Speaker 1: No kidding, but we have quite the show. This is
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  Speaker 1: like the third time I've said that, and it's true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is one I've actually had on my list for
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  Speaker 1: a little while. And uh well Netflix just dropped a
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  Speaker 1: big old three part docu series on it. So I
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  Speaker 1: was like, well, now's the time it's called Amy Bradley
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  Speaker 1: is Missing, which is probably what I'm going to title
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  Speaker 1: this episode as well, mostly for you know, seo reasons,
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  Speaker 1: but it's actually a really good title. Yeah, because that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what it is. So before we actually recorded this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I made sure that Nicole when she got home, we
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  Speaker 1: sat down, we watched the docuseries together. I watched it
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  Speaker 1: already during research, but I'm like, you know what, I
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  Speaker 1: think you should watch it before we do the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And I had heard of this case before, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I had that saved on my list because I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to watch this. It is a good it was
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  Speaker 2: a good documentary.
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  Speaker 1: It is, but like, typically you don't know the cases,
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  Speaker 1: I just throw you into the frame, right.
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  Speaker 2: Occasionally I do, but mostly not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this one's gonna be a little bit more fresh
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  Speaker 1: in your brain. Yeah, so you're prepared.
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  Speaker 2: To I'll call you out if shit's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Do it. Do it. But I will say I have
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  Speaker 1: some information that was not in the docuseries, and I
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  Speaker 1: have omitted some of the things not in the docuseries,
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  Speaker 1: just for time wise, because it's a three part.
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  Speaker 2: Omitted things that were in the docuceries.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, yes, because it's like you should totally watch it,
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  Speaker 1: get all the information, go check it out. This is
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  Speaker 1: just a single episode on a podcast. We can't cover
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  Speaker 1: a three part documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be like three episodes really exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So I got I got my own take. I've covered
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  Speaker 1: some of the stuff that's in the documentary and I've
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  Speaker 1: covered some other stuff after this. Make sure you go
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  Speaker 1: watch the document docuseries as well, because it's hella good.
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  Speaker 2: It was well done for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And there's one dude in the document docuseries. He's a
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  Speaker 1: complete asshole. I don't know why he's in it. He
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  Speaker 1: was actually part of the staff on the ship at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and here we are, like over twenty years later,
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  Speaker 1: is it over twenty years nineteen ninety eight? It happened
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  Speaker 1: in so do the math?
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  Speaker 2: Oh that is over?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, he's just so arrogant, so matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: and so cold in the way things were handled then
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  Speaker 1: in his opinion now. And I'm just like, dude, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get hate on the internet hard.
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  Speaker 2: I even said, while we're watching it, does he realize
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  Speaker 2: how he is going to be coming across.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he does.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's going to watch them and be like, oh gosh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: oh gosh.
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  Speaker 1: So actually I do quote him in this directly. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but let's dive into this, shall we. You ready?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to just say I didn't totally
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  Speaker 2: agree with you on everything. That's all him coming across
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  Speaker 2: as an asshole, but like later in it was evidence, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well I didn't at.
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  Speaker 1: That one part where we actually disagree. That's where I'm
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  Speaker 1: quoting them. So we'll talk about it then if you want. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So let's get going here. The Bradley family, they were
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  Speaker 1: the kind of people, the kind of close knit family
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  Speaker 1: that people envy. Ron and Iva had two kids together,
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  Speaker 1: Amy and Brad, and they were raised with a strong
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  Speaker 1: mix of love, independence, and no nonsense values in Chesterfield County, Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: Both Ron and Iva worked in insurance. Brad was the
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  Speaker 1: younger sibling of their two children, at twenty one years
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  Speaker 1: old in nineteen ninety eight and was away at college
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  Speaker 1: and Amy was twenty three. She was, you know, right
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  Speaker 1: in that in between stage of life, finishing off you know,
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  Speaker 1: post secondary school, and she was now getting done with
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  Speaker 1: basketball and standing on the edge of basically full adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: You could say. She had just graduated from Longwood University
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  Speaker 1: with a degree in sports psychology. She'd gotten through college
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  Speaker 1: on a basketball scholarship, and had a full time job
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  Speaker 1: lined up at a computer counsel or consulting firm. But
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  Speaker 1: for now she was working at Ruth Chris's Steakhouse. That's
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  Speaker 1: hard with the thhi, Yeah, Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. There we
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  Speaker 1: go to pay the bills. You know that intermediate type position, right.
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  Speaker 1: But this cruise, this was meant to be her last
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  Speaker 1: little break before starting the next chapter in her life
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  Speaker 1: where she dove into those more adult quote unquote things. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Amy initially wasn't exactly thrilled about the idea of the cruise,
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  Speaker 1: so she had she had this thing about deep water
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  Speaker 1: and hated the idea of being far from land, and
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  Speaker 1: didn't love heights of massive ships like the one they'd
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  Speaker 1: be sailing on, the Rhapsody of the Sea. But her
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  Speaker 1: dad had won these tickets this trip through work. Brad
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  Speaker 1: was home from school and he was going to and
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  Speaker 1: in the end, Amy figured, you know what, why not?
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  Speaker 1: And she decided she was going to go. And that's
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  Speaker 1: when the anticipation of the excitement started to build from
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  Speaker 1: her when she made that decision.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, I just have to say, I get it there.
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  Speaker 2: I have about zero percent desire to go on a
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  Speaker 2: cruise ship.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was also that other docuseries on Netflix that
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  Speaker 1: you saw that the poop Cruise Cruise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, after watching that and then this one,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, thank you. But I already was
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  Speaker 2: very much so like that, I have no interest.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. So for her though, for Amy, it
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  Speaker 1: was a chance to chill with her family, soak up
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  Speaker 1: some son, maybe even enjoy herself before diving into this
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  Speaker 1: new job and whatever, you know, life was about to
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  Speaker 1: throw at her. So Amy she was very bold. She
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  Speaker 1: was funny and unafraid to speak her mind. A natural
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  Speaker 1: leader too. Friends described her as someone who could light
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  Speaker 1: up a room or shut down a jerk in one sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Flat you know, that's awesome. She had strong opinions, a
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  Speaker 1: sharp sense of humor, and a whole lot of love
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  Speaker 1: for the people she cared about.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Amy also had had had come out to her family
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  Speaker 1: not long before the trip. She told them that she
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  Speaker 1: was in fact gay, and it hadn't exactly gone over
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  Speaker 1: super smoothly. Her ex girlfriend later said Amy's parents were
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  Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed, quote unquote, and her dad even
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  Speaker 1: admitted in interviews that it wasn't what he would have
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  Speaker 1: chosen for her. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: that all didn't matter. They all agreed one thing. They
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  Speaker 1: loved her no matter what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very close family, which is nice. And the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they all went and took the time to
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  Speaker 2: spend together on this cruise was like lovely exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, they might have opinions, differing in opinions,
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  Speaker 1: you know, different ways of living their life, but that
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  Speaker 1: in the end, it didn't matter. They were family and
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  Speaker 1: they loved each other no matter Yeah. Now the cruise
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a celebration, It was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a memory maker, a one last family vacation before
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  Speaker 1: life starts officially pulling them all in different directions. So
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  Speaker 1: on March twenty first, nineteen ninety eight, the Bradleys boarded
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  Speaker 1: a massive Word Caribbean Cruise ship heading for Curisow Now.
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  Speaker 1: Curisau is a small island in the Southern Caribbean Sea,
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  Speaker 1: just off the coast of Venezuela, known for its colorful
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  Speaker 1: Dutch colonial buildings, crystal clear waters, and it's laid back,
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  Speaker 1: tropical vibe. Let's say it's a popular stop for vacationers
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  Speaker 1: looking to soak up the sun and the culture.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The cruise ship was named the Rhapsody of the Sea,
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  Speaker 1: and it was huge, sleek and luxurious, and it packed
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  Speaker 1: on over two thousand passengers. There were pool decks, nightclubs,
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  Speaker 1: dining rooms, live bands, the whole deal right, and for
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  Speaker 1: many it was the dream vacation. I mean for Amy,
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  Speaker 1: she was excited, but it was still quite overwhelming. The
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  Speaker 1: ship had thirteen decks, thirteen decks tall, was towering above
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  Speaker 1: the water. Amy had always been uneasy around that deep
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  Speaker 1: ocean and didn't love the idea being surrounded by it
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  Speaker 1: for days, but she pushed those nerves down and made
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  Speaker 1: sure that she was going to have fun. She was
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  Speaker 1: still excited, after all, she was there for her family
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  Speaker 1: and she was determined to make the most of it. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: her brother Brad was there, and the two of them
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  Speaker 1: they were pretty close and when they were together things
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  Speaker 1: usually felt a little bit lighter. Now, the first couple
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  Speaker 1: of days went as you'd expect, sunbathing, exploring the ship,
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  Speaker 1: meeting other passengers, making friends, checking out the night life.
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  Speaker 1: Amy wasn't the type to sit still for too long.
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  Speaker 1: She quickly found herself on the ninth floor disco, where
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  Speaker 1: a band called Blue Orchid played every night. She seemed
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  Speaker 1: to click with the band, especially one of the members,
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  Speaker 1: a guy named Alistair Yellow Douglas now Brad and Amy
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  Speaker 1: ended up spending the evening of March twenty third dancing
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  Speaker 1: and drinking at the ship's disco party. It was lively,
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  Speaker 1: packed with music and flashing lights, and for a moment,
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  Speaker 1: everything felt carefree. The cruise ship photographer even snapped a
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  Speaker 1: few photos of Amy on the dance floor with the
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  Speaker 1: band's bass player, Yellow. Video footage shows her laughing, dancing,
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  Speaker 1: blending in like any other twenty something year old on
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  Speaker 1: a vacation. Right. It was around one am when Yellow,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to continue calling him Yellow for the record
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  Speaker 1: said he called it a night, But Amy and Brad
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  Speaker 1: they stayed longer, riding up that vacation high and living
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  Speaker 1: that night life on the cruise, And it wasn't until
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  Speaker 1: about three thirty five am that Brad finally decided he
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  Speaker 1: was heading back to the family cabin. Amy followed only
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes later. Behind, and once she entered the room,
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  Speaker 1: she joined her brother out on the balcony for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, chatting quietly and enjoying a cigarette. The ocean
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  Speaker 1: stretched out endlessly beneath them, black and still in the
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  Speaker 1: early hours of the morning. Brad eventually went to bed
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  Speaker 1: and Amy stayed out just a little bit longer behind
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  Speaker 1: her brother. By five point fifteen am on March twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: the ship was quiet, most passengers were still asleep. In
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  Speaker 1: the Bradley family suite, Ron was just waking up, not
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  Speaker 1: for the morning, but he just kind of opened his
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  Speaker 1: eyes and glanced towards the balcony and through the glass
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  Speaker 1: door he could see his daughter. There were Amy's legs
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  Speaker 1: stretched out in the lounge chair, still and peaceful. She
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  Speaker 1: most likely had fallen asleep outside, and Brad had went
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  Speaker 1: to bed. So he dozed off once again, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: his kids were both in the room and safe. But
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  Speaker 1: then something woke come up just after six am. Whether
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  Speaker 1: it was his internal clock telling him it's time to
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  Speaker 1: get up, or something else that drove him to wake
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  Speaker 1: in that moment, we don't really know. Ron himself even
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  Speaker 1: said he's not sure what will come up, but something
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  Speaker 1: did and as he opened his eyes he saw that
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  Speaker 1: chair where Amy was sitting not more than maybe even
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes ago, but it was now empty. There was
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  Speaker 1: no sign of Amy on the balcony or in the
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  Speaker 1: small cruise ship room that they were in. She was
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  Speaker 1: just gone. Now. At first, Ron didn't panic. Maybe she'd
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  Speaker 1: gone to grab coffee or take a walk around the deck.
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  Speaker 1: It's about six am, after all, it wasn't like Amy
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  Speaker 1: to disappear without saying something. But it was early, and
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  Speaker 1: she was independent.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and she probably didn't want to wake him up exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been her leaving the door that even
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  Speaker 2: like woke up her dad or something.
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  Speaker 1: You all, it's possible. It's possible, now, I do you
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  Speaker 1: want to mention that the balcony door was left open
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  Speaker 1: approximately a foot and a foot and a half. Ron
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  Speaker 1: specifically mentions that. But still, as the minutes ticked by
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  Speaker 1: and there was no sign of Amy, Ron's concern began
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  Speaker 1: to grow. She started checking the common areas on the
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  Speaker 1: cruise ship, you know, the pools, the buffet, the lounges.
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  Speaker 1: But still there was nothing. By six point thirty, he'd
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  Speaker 1: woken up the rest of the family, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: things started to shift from concerned to a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more dread Amy wasn't the type to vanish. She was
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  Speaker 1: always careful, always aware of her surroundings, and she'd had
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  Speaker 1: no reason to go off on her own without saying word.
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  Speaker 1: She would have at least told someone where she was
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  Speaker 1: going if she was heading off for a while. It
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  Speaker 1: was unlike her not to leave a note or something.
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  Speaker 1: But something wasn't right. The ship was now already docking
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  Speaker 1: in Curasau and passengers were getting ready to disembark. The
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  Speaker 1: Bradleys raced to the pursuer's deck and begged the crew
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  Speaker 1: to make an announcement to keep everyone on board to
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  Speaker 1: search the ship before before it was too late, But
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  Speaker 1: they were told it was too early. The cruise ship
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  Speaker 1: workers didn't want to bother the rest of the passengers
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  Speaker 1: at seven am. In fact, in the documentary, one of
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  Speaker 1: the workers from the ship is quoted saying, quote, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to stop everybody's cruise because there's a missing girl.
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  Speaker 1: That's one family's unfortunate incident. But we still have twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hundred people who paid a lot of money, And
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  Speaker 1: as cold as that sounds, that's the reality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it does sound really cold, but she
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  Speaker 2: had hadn't been missing long, so I think everyone at
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  Speaker 2: that point was just assuming like they'd find her, you know,
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  Speaker 2: really quickly.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, But and I totally get it, because that's
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  Speaker 1: the thought that I had as well. But my counter
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  Speaker 1: argument to that is, how many times do we cover
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  Speaker 1: a case where someone reports a missing person and authorities
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  Speaker 1: don't take it seriously at first?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I was just going to say too, because
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  Speaker 2: any if she wasn't found, any evidence or whatever's also disembarking, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, exactly. And so of course with missing persons, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the longer things go by, the less chance of finding him.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, you are literally, if you let
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  Speaker 1: these passengers off, opening the floodgates for any potential person
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  Speaker 1: who did something to Amy, for Amy herself, for any evidence,
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  Speaker 1: all of it to just go away. Yeah, forever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And in all honesty, I'm willing to bet that that's
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  Speaker 1: what the ship wanted, to wash its hand clean of
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  Speaker 1: any incident or even potential incident.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if they didn't let people off, though,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they would have people would get very unhappy, true,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: But I mean, and at that point they didn't know
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: if a crime or whatever had been committed. So it's
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I find that part, that part's a little tough.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: But here's here's one thing. They're willing to like announce,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: we are parked, We are willing to disembark. You can
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: now like head off onto land. But they're not willing
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: to announce Could Amy Bradley please come to service task?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's too early.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Right, So now the crews began letting the passengers off
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the ship without securing anything and looking for Amy. In fact,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the announcement for Amy to finally contact the front desk
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: didn't go out until seven fifty am, well after hundreds
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of passengers had already left. By then, Amy and perhaps
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: whoever could have possibly taken her or known something was
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: long gone, because let's be honest, there's there's some countless
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: things that could have escaped in that hustle and bustle
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of people. Not even to say that someone else is
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: even responsible. Let's just say, for argument's sake, that Amy
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: slipped and hit her head and has amnesia and doesn't
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: know what's going on, and now she just walks off
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the ship forever, right, Yeah, So who knows what that floodgate.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Let go.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many things. She could have been captured
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: in something that was being taken off, or she could
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: have been drugged or something like There's.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: It could have even just been a witness who had
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: seen what had happened to her who left and departed
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and just stayed there and never got back in the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: ship and never got in contact with authorities. Yeah, but
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: let's continue now. Once the realization set in that Amy
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: was truly missing, the crew finally began to do something,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and they began a search. This search was initiated sometime
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: shortly after nine am, but the delay had already hurt
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the investigation. For hours, passengers had been allowed to walk
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: off the ship without being questioned, without bags being checked,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and without knowing a woman had been vanished or missing
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: at all. As the ship was scoured top to bottom, allegedly,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: witness accounts did begin to surface, but they didn't all
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: line up now. Three passengers later claimed that they'd seen
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Amy on an upper deck sometime between five thirty and
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: five forty five am, well after her father said he
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: last saw her. Now, according to them, she was with
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Alistair Yellow Douglas, the same band member she had been
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: hanging out with the night before. They said she had
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a camera and that Yellow handed her a drink and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: apparently with some kind of dark liquid in it. Moments later,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the pair were seen stepping into an elevator together, and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: then not long after, the same pair spotted Yellow once again,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and this time alone.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Not very long after, really not very long after.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And here's the caveat with this sight is the two
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: individuals who saw Yellow and Amy together they were on
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: their way to the room, but they don't they can't
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: confirm that it was somewhere between five point thirty and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: five forty five am, so it was the problem is
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: on the ship, there's key cards on the doors, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: those key cards they logged a time when someone opened
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the door with the key card right to enter. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: these two forgot their key card, knocked on the door,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: had someone in the cabin already let them in, So
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the key card was never used, and that timeline could
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: not be confirmed.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Right, And then when you're leaving it's not confirmed either.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: It's only when you're like swiping this.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Card exactly now. Yellow had claimed that the night before
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: he left the party around one am, well before any
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of that had happened, but the cruise ship's own video
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: footage contradicts that timeline. He was clearly seen dancing with
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Amy well after one am, smiling and quite close. Not
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: only that, but her brother Brad would later recall something unsettling.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Shortly after Amy disappeared, Yellow allegedly approached him and said, quote,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: sorry to hear about your sister, but here's the problem.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: No announcements had been made yet, so how did he
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: know that Amy was missing?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Holy shit? Really?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Huh okay.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: The FBI was contacted later that same day that Amy
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: went missing, and the agents flew down on March twenty fifth,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the day after. When the FBI boarded the Rhapsody of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the Seas after it docked in Curisow, they were walking
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: into a crime scene that had already been trampled. Hours
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: had passed since Amy was last seen, and most of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the passengers had already disembarked. Crucial surveillance footage could have
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: been lost or even overwritten, and any chance of sealing
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the ship off or controlled investigation it was long gone now.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: To make matters worse, the Royal Caribbean hadn't treated it
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like a case that was a possible crime, let's say,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: but instead of locking down like areas stopping traffic and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: chips routines and all this sort of stuff, people were
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just roaming freely and no serious action was taken.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I just have to say, too, so if they were
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: going to do like a search like they did around
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: nine or a little bit earlier or whatever, they should
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: have just done it right away. Really, yes, I agree,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: because you know, it wasn't that much longer that they
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: decided to do this search.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't make any sense though you have a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: missing person. So what you're going to do is get
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: rid of all the people to search for a person.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they were probably just maybe thinking she was
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like passed out somewhere or something. I bet you it's possible.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they probably weren't taking it quite seriously yet,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and then at one point they're like, okay, I guess
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: we will. But if they have done that earlier might
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: have been helpful.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: It might have been helpful. Even what they could have
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: done has had people at the ramp on the docks
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: looking for her as she's going through. Yeah, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: asking people, have you seen this girl? She's somewhere around?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Her family's looking for you know, Amy can come to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the service desk. It would have been super easy, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: they chose not to do that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Now, back to the FBI, despite all of the run
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: around that they're receiving, all of the mess that they're
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: dealing with, the FBI still did their best and they
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: interviewed the ship's crews, passengers, and those who last saw Amy.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: But one of the biggest issues was without a crime scene,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: without forensic evidence, the FBI just hit a wall. The
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: ship's staff had even been allowed to clean the rooms,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: including the Bradley's family's room, and with it they wiped
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: away any potential evidence and contaminated a potential crime scene
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: because if someone entered the room while they were sleeping
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to come and get Amy, for example, fingerprints could have
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: been possible. Right, maybe let's say, because this theory does
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: come up that Amy went over the handrail, maybe fingerprints
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: on the handrail or down the side, things like that
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: could have potentially come up. But these were all wiped clean.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that people that the room got cleaned
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: just shocks me. It makes absolutely no sense.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand them cleaning the rooms, but it was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: as if and I said it once, and I'll say
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it again that this cruise liner was trying to wipe
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: their hands clean of this and just be done with
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it and not want to deal with it. Yeah, trying
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to get rid of it as fast as.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Possible, which is not good. Like someone is missing and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the fact, do you think that your job is to
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: keep people safe.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And their job is to make money?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It's not, though, That's just this terrible world that we
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: live in.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly now, the FBI were left with no signs of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: foul play. They had no body, no answers, and it
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was a frustrating start to say the least. Now back
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to Yellow. Yellow was also questioned with the FBI and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: even pasted a polygraph test and denied knowing anything about
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Amy's disappearance, but with his relaxed attitude afterwards, smiling giving
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: thumbs up to his bandmates, it didn't sit right with
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the Bradley family, especially not Ron, who's already convinced Yellow
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: knew more than he let on. Now, add that to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a strange incident involving a waiter who had asked multiple
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: times during the cruise if he could leave a note
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for Amy inviting her to go for drinks Once they hit.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Once they hit shore, he's invited, he's wanting to go
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for drinks at a bar on shore, and everything right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and then there's also the missing photo. See every cruise
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: photo taken by the ship's photographer was supposed to be
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: displayed for passengers to view and purchase, but none of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the ones that were taken of Amy's could be found.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: The staff even remembered seeing them. They're ready to go
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: for the family because they recognize Amy. She was like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the life of the party and stuff. So they're like, oh, yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you guys are here to pick up your photos. We
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: got like, Amy's right over here, here's the photos. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: then they go to grab them.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: They're missing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: They're missing. Someone had already taken the photos. And they're like, oh,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: did someone from your family already grabbed these? And they're like,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: uh no, that's creepy.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: This is so creepy.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Someone outside of the family came and purchased or stole
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: these photos of Amy specifically. Now, a lot of things
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: were happening all at once, and the early hours of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Amy's disappearance were critical, but instead of treating it like
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: an emergency, the ship's crew just seemed more concerned with
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: sticking to schedule and maintaining the happy atmosphere for the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: rest of the guests. The ship's internal search, conducted later
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that morning lasted less than an hour, not exactly thorough
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: for a vessel with eleven decks nearly sorry, I think
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it was like thirteen decks. My authorogies nearly nine hundred
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: crew members and more than two thousand passengers. And to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: make matters worse, surveillance footage wasn't reviewed right away, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: any window of time where Amy might have been spotted
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: leaving the ship or being taken was officially gone.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I just feel like you could
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: not search that big of a vessel in one hour thoroughly. Nope,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: there's just no way.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: No, Even with even if you had the exact every
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: member of the crew nine hundred, let's say you have
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: every single one of them searching, You wouldn't but you wouldn't,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but you would not be able to search it in
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that amount of time, especially the way it's described in
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: this documentary from this one guy. He's like, we're doing
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like checking every drawer, every closet of every room, every
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: nook and in an hour.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Fuck that, there's no way not even close.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Now. Outside help didn't arrive until later. The Dutch Caribbean
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Coast Guard launched a search for the surrounding waters. They
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: were desperately trying to find you know, potentially if she
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: went overboard, right, So they're using helicopters, radar equipment and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: planes and it lasted four days that search. In the water. Wow, okay, nobody,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: no clothing, no sign of falling overboard at all.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But they were pretty certain if she had fallen overboard
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that she would have appeared, yes, or something of her
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: what would have appeared for sure?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But before we okay, there's one thing I gotta say,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: just to put this in perspective to the timeframe she
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: would have gone overboard. If she did, they were almost
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: already at port. Like they could see the port right
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: at suore right, so it's not like they're in the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: middle of the ocean. Amy is a strong swimmer, was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: like a lifeguard. Even she hates the ocean.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Sure, m hm, but she's athletic, she's strong.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she unless got injured in the fall, would have
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: been able to swim to short no problem. But you're right,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: there was no like Like, they're pretty confident they would
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: see a body or something. I say that somewhere here
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: in my script, but yeah, one hundred percent. They're like, oh,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you know what, with the currents, the winds, something of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: her would have washed a short guaranteed. But they found nothing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So despite all of that, though early reports painted her
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: disappearance as a tragic incident, some even floated the idea
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that she had taken her own life, jumping overboard on purpose,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you know, self delete. But the Bradleys didn't buy it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And the more they looked into how little the crew
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: had done and how quickly those theories started floating around,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the more it felt like someone was trying to make
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the problem go away. This wasn't just a case of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: someone wandering off or taking their own life. That much.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: To her family was clear. Amy had been excited about
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: life back at home. She just graduated, had a job
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: lined up at a computer firm, was planning to move
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: into her own new apartment. She wasn't suicidal, she wasn't reckless.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: She just got a new dog.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Oh that okay, right, there is a flag that you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be doing something like that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a strong swimmer, former lifeguard, and this
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. Officials suggested that maybe she'd had,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you know, too much to drink. Maybe it was an accident,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: but this just didn't line up. She wasn't heavily intoxicated.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Her brother could corroborate that, and the family looked back
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: at their tab. She had seven light beer from I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: believe it was six pm onwards that evening, so it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: was six pm to three thirty am when she went
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: back to the room, and then her father seen her
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: again at about five thirty am. Now official suggested, maybe
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: she'd drank too much, right, but that kind of throws
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it out the window. She wasn't heavily intoxicated as far
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: as we know, and she told her family she didn't
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: even like going near the ship's railing. Plus Ron had
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: seen her lying on the balcony lounge chair just before
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: she vanished. Things are not adding up to whatever these
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: theories are being put out there. There were no signs
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: she slipped, jumped, or any sort of accident. To the Bradley's,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it was simple. The cruise lines slow response cost them
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: their best shot at finding Amy, and even though the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Coastguard search turned up nothing, Amy's family refused to believe
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: she was gone forever, and not long after they started
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: hearing from people who claimed they had seen her. The
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: first big tip came from a taxi driver in Curassau.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It was just a month after Amy went missing when
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: he approached the Bradleys during their visit to the island.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: The man said he'd seen someone matching Amy's description the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: morning the ship docked on March twenty fourth. He claimed
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that the young woman had been frantically running through a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: parking lot, clearly distressed and asking for a phone. What
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: struck him were her green eyes. He said that they
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: matched the poster the family had been handing out, but
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: something about the account it didn't quite add up. He
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: never mentioned her being barefoot, which she likely would have
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: been when she left the ship that morning because her
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: sandals were still sitting on the deck. Vanished, but still
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: his memory felt sincere. Authorities, however, were unable to ever
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: confirm this incident or sighting, and then came the Canadian divers.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: In August nineteen ninety eight, two tourists, David Carmichael and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: his diving partner spotted a woman on play a Mortal
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Marie a beach in Curroseu. She was with two men
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: who seemed controlling and aggressive. The woman looked tense and uneasy,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and when Carmichael called to his buddy in English as
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they were washing up their diving equipment ashore, she whipped
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: her head around and started moving towards them, almost as
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: if she heard English and was going towards that. But
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: one of the men who allegedly resembled yellow or alistair
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Douglass from the cruise ship, as Carmichael said he believes
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it was him, stepped in and redirected her towards the bar.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Carmichael said, he kept glaring back, sorry, she kept glancing
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: at him, while the man kept glaring at him, making
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: eyed contact.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Just like stared him down exactly, sort of trying to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: intimidate him by the sounds of it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: The thing is, though, what really struck him was the tattoos.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Carmichael later saw Amy's photo in America's Most Wanted and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: instantly felt sick the tattoos. Amy had a Tasmanian devil
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: on her shoulder, a gecko on her navel, and barbed
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: wire on her ankle, and he remembered seeing these tattoos,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the exact tattoos on this girl. They matched, Oh man.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He ended up calling Ron Bradley, flying out to Virginia, Virginia,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: sorry and giving a full statement to the FBI. But
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: unfortunately the sighting, just like the others, could not be verified.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Because yeah, her tattoos are pretty unique.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Definitely, Well, any tattoo generally does get to be unique
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: because it can be placement size. You know what, we
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: all have an infinity symbol? Say yeah, but where's yours? Oh,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: mine's on my wrist, where's yours? Oh? Minds on my shoulder?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Where's yours? Oh I've got a tramp stamp like you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it varies.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, what do you have an infinity symbol?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe I did have an infinity civil tramp.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Stand Okay, maybe you do.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: If there's anyone who's gonna know, it would be you, do,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I say, okay, I my need to check the mirror. No, don't. Anyways, Still,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the Bradleys, they weren't ready to give up on the search.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: They weren't. These weren't random tips coming in. It seemed
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like they were very consistent. A young woman, green eyes,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: distinct tattoos, all spotted in curisou, all looking anxious, all
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: seeming to try and reach out and if Amy was
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in fact still alive, that meant that she hadn't drowned,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: she hadn't jumped, and she had been in fact taken.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: In January nineteen ninety nine, nearly a year after Amy
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: had vanished, a new tip surfaced, one that felt impossible
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to ignore. A US Navy petty officer named William Hefner
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: was stationed in curisout when he visited a local brothel,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a place he wasn't supposed to be. In fact, he
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: reportedly wasn't there for nefarious reasons, but rather just looking
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to find a place to have a fucking beer.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: A beer, yeah, that's what he said.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's what he said. So while he approached the bar,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: there were two guys that questioned him outside with guns,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: like what are you doing? What do you want? He's like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I just want a beer. They're like, okay, go ahead.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: So he goes inside and while he sits in the bar,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: he struck up conversation with two different women. Now these
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: two women were accompanied by again two men. Now they
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: were having a casual conversation when one of the women
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: left the table for a moment, leaving him alone with
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the second girl and that's when she began to talk.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: She told him her name was Amy and that she
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: needed help. She claimed that she'd been taken. She's stuck
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: there and unable to leave because she owes these guys
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: two hundred bucks and she can't do anything about it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: She said that she'd been on a cruise and that
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: things went wrong and now she's being held against her will,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and apparently she left that cruise to go buy some
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: drugs in here she is now. According to Hefner, the
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: woman spoke quickly and seemed terrified, but just as quickly
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: as the conversation started, it ended once the other girl returned,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: she shut down. Hefner said that he had heard it
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: all before, though reasons why sex workers or someone would
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: need money to get out of situations. He thought it
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: was all just a tall tale at the time, a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: way to try and get some money out of him,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And he didn't report the interaction right away because of that,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: also because he was at a place he shouldn't have
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: been because career wise, right h So, he was in
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the military and worried that admitting he was inside a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: brothel could have some serious consequences. So you have a
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: military guy in a brothel in a rough situation with
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a potential sex worker who's potentially most likely just spinning
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a story trying to get free two hundred bucks and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: armed guys outside the door. So he kind of like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: just finishes his beer and wants to put this story
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: behind him.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but can you imagine if that like was her
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and here she is pleading for help and just like
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that can't get it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, because it wasn't until years later,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: in May of twenty twenty, sorry, two thousand and two
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to be exact, that Hefner saw Amy's face in a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: magazine and he felt the weight of not talking because
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: he said, that was her, That was the girl who
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: he talked to that night, that was the one who
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was asking him for help, and he realized what his
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: silence meant. Yeah, So from there he quickly came forward,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: contacted the Bradleys and shared everything he remembered. The FBI
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: looked into it, but by then that brothel, it had
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: supposedly burnt down. There were no records, no physical evidence,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: there was nothing to follow up on, of course not Yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Hefner has never wavered in his report, adamant that was Amy,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Whether you believe him or not. For her parents, this
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: was a gut punch. The possibility that Amy might be alive,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that she was asking for help, and that it never
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: came was unbearable.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like as them as a parent, you just couldn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: imagine hearing that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So this was starting to feel less like a mystery
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and more like a nightmare for them. And by late
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, the Bradleys they were desperate. They had
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: followed every lead, scoured the Caribbean, worked with private investigators,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: pleaded for help through the media, and then finally, a
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: man named Frank Jones reached out and he claimed to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: be a former Navy seal with a tactical team who
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: was ready to go and rescue Amy. See this, Frank
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Jones said that he had a team with actual eyes
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: on her. They were watching who had her. So, according
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to him, Amy was alive and being held in a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: heavily guarded house, surrounded by armed Colombian men and barbed wire.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: He even described her tattoos perfectly small, unique in the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: right spots. He said he heard her humming a lullaby,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and that lullaby happened to be the same one that
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: her mom had sung to her. He kept the family
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in the loop with updates, photos, surveillance details, reports as
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: they were getting close. But the rescue, he said it
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: was expensive and needed funding. Over time, The Bradley sent
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Jones over two hundred thousand dollars to support the mission,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: who they were told a rescue attempt was imminent, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: then nothing. The phone stopped bringing, email stopped coming. There
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: was no raid or no Amy.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Seriously, Okay, was this in the documentary? No it wasn't,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: And so this was they just like conned. This was
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: his person conned the family. This was a con No,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: people are so disgusting.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Frank Jones wasn't a Navy seal. He he had
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: no team, no mission, no contact with Amy. He made
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it all up to scam grieving parents out of their savings.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're literally scum of the earth to be able
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to do something like that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Now, there's not a whole lot reported on who this
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Frank Jones is, or the piece of shit or the situation. However,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the FBI did catch up with him, and in two
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: thousand and two he pled guilty to mail fraud and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to five years in federal prison.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not enough.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: No. So I'm not sure if the family got money
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: back or what, but he was he was arrested for
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: his crimes brutal. Yeah, way to pray on them, Like,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: holy fuck yeah that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: To just like hear a story like this and then
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: come up with some sort of plan to just try
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to get money from a grieving family, right, I just like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: how awful are you?
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: That is the low of the low. Yeah, you are
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: right down there.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't get much worse really.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Now, for the Bradleys, the emotional damage was worse than
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the financial loss. They weren't just scammed, they were emotionally
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: gutted over this. They had let themselves believe Amy was
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: finally coming home and just for a moment they felt
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: like they had her back, only for her to basically
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: slip away again. Now, even after the scam, though, the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: sightings of Amy didn't stop, and each one kept the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Bradleys hoping. In two thousand and three, in San Francisco,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a couple reported seeing a woman who looked like Amy
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: in a crowd watching a street performer. She wasn't alone,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: two men flanked her. The couple claimed that once the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: woman noticed she was being watched the men grabbed her
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and disappeared down the street. Now she was pulled away,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: she supposedly locked eyes with the witness, giving them a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: described as pleading look. The FBI released composite sketches based
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: on descriptions, but that was it. No follow up or
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: confirmation of identity was ever done. Then, in two thousand
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and five, a woman named Judy Maherer said to have
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: had a disturb being encounter in Barbados in a department
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: store restroom. She was in a stall when a woman
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: walked in surrounded by four men. They were talking business,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: something shady, something sketchy sounding, let's put it that way. Now,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Judy heard the woman ask softly, can we stop and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: see the children? And the men are like, well, will
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you behave will you listen? And then she's like yes.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So after the men stepped out, Judy came out of
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the bathroom stall and was then face to face with
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: this woman in the bathroom and she said her name
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: was Amy, and she's pretty sure she said she was
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: from West Virginia. She looked anxious, scared, and she couldn't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: say anymore. And when Judy saw Amy's photo later, she
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: was convinced This was the same Amy. Composite sketches were
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: made once again, but still, just like the other times,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: nothing came of it again. In two thousand and five,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a chilling tip surfaced, one that brought a new wave
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of hope, also horror and heartbreak, one that really made
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: those closes to Amy have both hope and heartbreak. It
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: started with an email that was sent to Amy's parents.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Attached were two images. These images were pulled from an
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: adult website by a member of an organization that tracks
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: victims of human trafficking. In the photos was a woman.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: She has these vacant eyes and a blank expression, sitting
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: stiffly on a bed what looks kind of like a
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: dingy hotel room. She has a smile, but it's a
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: half hearted one, and she's wearing heavy makeup. Her posture's tents,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: and everything about the image feels wrong. The woman calls
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: herself jos Jas. But it wasn't the nickname or the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: setting that made the Bradley family's blood run cold. It
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: was the resemblance. The woman in the photo looked exactly
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like Amy, the same bone structure, the same green eyes,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: but not the same tattoos. And I say that because
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the photos were taken with woman posed in ways that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: seemed to specifically avoid showing the areas where her tattoos
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: were located. So you can't even see if the tattoos
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: are there or not.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: No, you can't.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Now. Amy's parents took the photos seriously. They handed them
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: over to the FBI, hoping that advanced facial recognition might
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: give them an answer. Now, at the time, technology was limited,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: but one former FBI consultant who reviewed the images said,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: without hesitation he believed the woman was in fact Amy Bradley.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Now the agency investigated, but nothing could be definitively proven
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: with the photos, though Special Agent Aaron Sheridan told the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: media that one of the biggest issues was verifying whether
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the photos had been doctored or altered. Oh okay, see
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the images had been circulated online and they weren't in
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: their original form.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see, so.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Has shared and put it. The difficult part is back
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: then information such as that or pictures such as that,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you can't tell when they're altered. Direct quote.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like those wouldn't have been altered, though.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say because you have someone who already
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: tried to scam true, right, And so you have someone
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: else who's just trying to fuck with the families for
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: whatever reason.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I know, but would they've been able to do
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: that good of a job, because I've seen I sell
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: those photos and they looked like they wouldn't have been altered.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I'm not a professional, Like
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not a professional like analyst of bone structures and stuff,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: or to say if a photo has been altered, like
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I can do a bit of photoshop work, but that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just mean, like it was quite a few
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: years ago. I'm like, would anyone be able to do
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that good of a job or have the means of
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: doing that good of a job?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Well, it's possible. Put it this place.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: It's possible if you.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Do doctor an image and you upload it to the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: internet and then it's downloaded by someone else they uploaded
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and someone else downloads it, and you have this image
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it's been uploaded and downloaded like three four times, and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the resolutions all mismashed and fucked up, and it's a
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: terrible image. Yeah, it hides those things, right, But that was.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: One part of the documentary I feel was pretty convincing
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: showing you know how closely these two people, like comparing
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: photos that the parents had and then this photo how
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: closely these two women looked.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: That's true. But the one thing the documentary didn't say
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was that the FBI never said for certain. They said,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: un FBI agent believes it was her, okay, but they
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: do not say that they weren't sure.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: They can't know for sure.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: They can't know for sure, But they also don't say
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: that they can't be sure the photos aren't doctored. They
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: don't even touch on the doctor part. So there's something
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I got they don't. Oh my god, Now this is seriously,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: this is why you should listen to this episode and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: watch that, because they're talking about stuff and I'm I'm
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: talking about stuff there not.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And well, yeah, there's been a few times I'm just like,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: was I notping attention? But yeah, it's just new stuff
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: that you have.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're probably thinking, oh, you cut out a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: little bit of that part because it's just, hey, this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: is one episode.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Ryeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Now, the idea that she may be alive out there
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: somewhere against her will is becoming a strong possibility at
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: this point, and in twenty eighteen, a man named Anthony
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Willis may have helped lend a lot of credibility to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: this theory when he took his obsession with Amy's case
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and turned it into something very tangible. See, he's a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: true crime person like you and I, and he spent
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of time looking into Amy's case. So much though,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: that he thought he would create a place for all
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the information and tips to be located at once. So
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: he launched a website. And that website is available. You
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: can go visit it. It's called Amy Bradley is Missing
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: dot com, a dedicated space to collect everything tied to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: her disappearance, photos, known sightings, timeline, old newspaper clippings, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: even theories. His goal was simple but important, make sure
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: that Amy's story wasn't lost to time. But you know
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it's remembered because when stories like this fade from the headlines,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: tip stopped coming in, and that's when hope really dies.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: But what started as an awareness tool turned into something
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: else entirely. Anthony began noticing something strange in the site's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: analytics dashboard, a pattern in the IP traffic. Using standard tools,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: he tracked visitors and their general locations. He realized that
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the site was getting repeated hits from very specific places Bridgetown, Barbados,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and Curasou, the same areas tied to Amy's last known
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: location and later alleged sightings. Even more chilling were the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: timing and behavior of those visits. These weren't random one
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: time clicks. It was the same IP addresses that would
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: show up over and over again. This person with this
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: IP address would visit the website on holidays, birthdays, anniversaries,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: dates that matter deeply to Amy and her family, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: those visitors weren't just skimming the homepage. They were dwelling
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: for long stretches of time on these pages and photos,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: sometimes up to forty five minutes, and often focused on
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: very personal content family photos, memories, pictures of Amy's old
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: car or the dog. It was as if someone, or
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: maybe even Amy herself, was watching from afar, silently checking in.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, that's like wild that part of the story
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's one of the ones that gets me the most.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah now, Iva, Amy's mother was moved by the possibility
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: that it could potentially be Amy. But why do they
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: keep coming back? She wondered this aloud in the documentary,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: right like why on Christmas? Why? Thing giving why stare
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: at a picture of our dog. It opened up a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: new haunting theory that maybe it was in fact Amy.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe if she was alive, somewhere hidden, trapped, or otherwise
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: cut off, this was her only way of contact, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a virtual lifeline window into the family that she left
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: behind or could no longer contact, or a family that's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: still looking for her now. The FBI was aware of
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the site and its analytics, but once again without jurisdiction
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: in these countries and no clear way to trace the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: exact person behind the IP addresses, the trail stayed frustratingly cold. Still,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: it left the family and many online sleuths with the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: same nagging feeling somebody is in fact watching. The only
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: question is who, I guess and why?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Ah. I just hate that because there's it seems like
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a I don't like, what
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: would be like a light right at the end of
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the tunnel or something, but then you just you can't
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: reach it. Yeah, exactly, You're just running and it's just
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: not getting any closer.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Now. The flip side of that coin of it's Amy
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: looking at the site is maybe it's the people responsible
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: for Amy disappearing, and they're keeping up with the site
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: as you know, a means of seeing how close authorities
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: are to catching them more updates, right, Yeah, now, I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: mean that being said, maybe it's just very dedicated internet
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: sleuths out there who are really attached to the case, right,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: like you or I or Anthony who set up the site. Yeah,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and she did go missing there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: It's weird that it's on such important dates.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: That is very weird.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then I feel like the people if someone
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: did this to her, that they wouldn't be It's also
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be going on specific dates, and like would they
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: be looking and staying on there that long and like
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: really paying that much attention.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I firmly believe it is Amy. But the uestion is, Okay,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: if she's looking at these photos, if she's going on
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: the website looking at these, she clearly has internet access
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: in some capability, So why isn't she sending an email
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to someone her family authorities asking for help reaching out.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Well, she could be having permission to look at the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: site though too right.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: She could be, But if she has the site open
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: in front of her, all it takes is for a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: moment for someone to look away, and she, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: types quick emails.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know, she don't need a freaking email account
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and shit and that stuff takes time to create.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: It's true, but there are other theories with it too,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: and I kind of touched on it with I believe
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it was the woman named Judy who had the encounter
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: in the bathroom where she ran into someone named Amy,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: and she was talking to those guys who were like,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you better behave right, and she's like, well, can we
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: go see the kids? What if Amy does have kids
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: now and whoever had captured her also has her kids
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and are using her kids as leverage. So it's like
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: she can't say anything because if she does, how can
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: she save her kids?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and she's not She probably doesn't want to
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: leave her kids exactly. If she runs away, like gosh
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: knows what they're going to do to the kids, or
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: she'll never see them again.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Right, she might be able to get herself saved, But
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: what if she doesn't have control over her kids. Sounds
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like she doesn't get to see your kids all the time. Yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: So it's either she saves herself or she stays and
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: saves her kids or tries to save her kids, you.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Know, or make sure that they're at least safe.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Right, So she's I mean, this is only one theory.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: There's so many of them, but it's as if she's like,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you know, it's very much lord of the rings. You
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: stray but a little and it shall fail. Right, you're
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: running on the edge of this knife, and it's yeah,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: it's a fine line that you're walking. Now. More than
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: two decades have passed since Amy vanished, and the mystery
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: still haunts her family and the world alike, especially with
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: this new documentary that has come out. With no physical evidence,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: no confirmation, confirmation on any of these sightings rests her
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: disappearance remains a frustratingly open case. The theories haven't stopped spinning,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: but some do believe that she was murdered on the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: ship and thrown overboard, but there's no proof of that.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: There's no body or struggle, nothing to support the idea
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: beyond speculation. Even local law enforcement and search and rescue
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: say that with the tides, here's the tide thing, the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: tide and the waters, they would have brought in a
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: body or at least remains of one to the shores,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: but nothing has ever washed ashore. Nothing's been found.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, but if she was weighted down, that could be
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: a different story too, Right if the body was thrown
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: overboard and weight like it was weighted.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily because a body will decompose, right I guess.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: And as a body decomposes, it falls apart. So we
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: covered this in the shoe the shoes that wash ashore
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: in Vancouver in British Columbia here with the feet in them. Yeah,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: it's because people are being like ugh, weighted down in
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the waters and their feet with the shoes pop off
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: their bodies and the shoes float and wash ashore.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, but what about like if you were in a
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: garbage bag or something, I mean potentially that I don't know.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: If you were in something and was weighted, I feel
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: like it could stay down there. That's sometime that's true,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: like Dexter. So I bring up Dexter so often I feel.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: So it was like a fifteen thirty minute window where
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: she was seen in the bedroom on the balcony to
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: when she was gone. So you're suggesting someone killed her,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: stuffed her in a garbage bag, weighed her down, thrown
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: her overboard, and cleaned up the crime scene in that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: amount of time.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Well they probably they would have had more time to
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: clean up the scene for sure, But sometimes depending on
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: where it was down or not, they don't have to
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: be like, really gross, that's true. It could just be
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: someone strangling someone, that's true. Especially what kind of messes
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that clean up really.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Especially because housekeeping dead the cleaning forum later.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm not saying that out of experience, but I'm
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: just saying that wouldn't create a huge mess.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: WHOA, I got to watch out.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Now. Other people cling to the early theories that she
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: did fall overboard on her and took her own life,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: potentially one or the other. But for anyone who knows Amy,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: these never made me sense. She disliked the ocean, the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: unknown nature of the heights and the railings. Yeah, sure,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: but she was a strong swimmer, she was cautious by nature,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and she was excited about her future just days before
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: she even landed a new job and had big plans.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: What's more plausible to many and most terrifying, is the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: theory that Amy was indeed trafficked, that she was targeted
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: while on board, lured or forced off the ship, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: sold into a life that she never chose. The witness accounts,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the brothel claims, the desperate eyes, and the online photos,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: they all point to that possibility. This is a theory
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: her family never stopped believing. Now, one thing that I
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: do think they really needed to have in this documentary,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: but they omitted for one reason or another, is the
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: fact that in twenty ten, twelve years to the day
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: since Amy disappeared, she was officially declared deceased.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, Oh I didn't know that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Her case remains open, but she has officially been declared deceased.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: There is no body, no trace of her, no information,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: no nothing, but she is officially declared deceased.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: The family doesn't want that. They want to be They
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: want this hope because she could still be alive.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: They do not believe she's dead. It's not to say
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: that people aren't hunting for her. They just believe they're
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: hunting for remains in what happened.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: You know. I do want to say one thing too,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: because at one point it was someone said she left
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the cruise ship to go get drugs or something. So
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: is it like possible that she could have taken drugs
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: on the balcony or something. That made her go a
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: little mad or something, and then she jumped off like
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know maybe, but then again like yeah, her
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: body would have most likely been found.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: So now accounts of her family were to say that
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: she doesn't do drugs or anything. Yeah, And also with
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: that waiter who was like leaving a note like let's
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: go on shore or in party, Amy was like, no,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: we're not going ashore. That's not happening.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: She wasn't interested.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: So according to her family, no, she wasn't going ashore.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And know she wasn't into drugs.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, why would she be out on the deck, like,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you know, doing drugs alone like that.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: So now, even now, the FBI still lists Amy as
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: a missing person, offering up twenty five thousand dollars in
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: reward for information. Her family offers up even more, up
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for her safe return.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Her name is etched in every missing person's database. Her
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: face has been shared on shows like Unsolved Mysteries, Doctor Phil,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: America's Most Wanted and Disappeared, and even as just of
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: recently with the new three part Netflix documentary that came
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: out just like a week ago. It brought a lot
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: of attention back to her and her story, and social
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: media has helped with the renewed interest. Good people are
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: sharing their stories, dissecting the the evidence, they're they're talking
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: about theories, they're posting clips of the documentary. There's even
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a YouTuber Ethan Klein. He's quite a big, big name
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: out there. He's jumped in and just a few days
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: ago he offered a staggering one million dollars for information
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: that leads to Amy, or the possibility of leads to
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: finding her children.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Curiously, Yeah, okay, that is like so amazing for the family.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Hey yeah, oh man, that I hope that makes them, like,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: you know, feel good and like maybe there's there's a
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: chance there's still Yeah.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Regardless of all this, one thing is certain. Amy Lynn
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Bradley's story is far from forgotten. Her memory is still
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: quite lingers, especially right now with this renewed interest on
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: that cruise ship on the beaches of Curassow and in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the first hand accounts of photos that surface online. Her
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: name is still there. I'm confident that someone out there
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: does know the truth and maybe, just maybe, if we
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: keep talking about Amy's story, she can be brought back
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: home to her family and say from whatever horrors that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: may have stolen her. But for now, this is an
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: unsolved story, and that is the story that we know
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: of of amy Lyn Bradley.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I just have to say, it's such a piss off
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: because she was just like a gem, like a light
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: in this world and got noticed right for just being
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: freakin amazing. Yeah, and someone just decided that they needed
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: that for themselves for whatever reason. I guess that's what
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: it seems like, yeah, which is oh, just so maddening,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: so disgusting. I have a feeling, I do have a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: feeling that one day it will be known what happened
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: with this case.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I really hope so.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: But we are like approaching thirty years here. Soon we
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: are what it would be in twenty twenty eight, yeah,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: which is wild that that is like soon.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: But it is well in all honesty though, with like
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the money that's being put out there, the renewed interest, yeah,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the publicity it's getting nowadays, I think it's a high
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: possibility that there will be some new developments in the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: next year, maybe even the next couple months. I do
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: think there will be some new information coming out on this.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So I do want to keep my own eye on this,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: and I think you guys should do the same.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Kine really quickly. I was gonna call him Lemon Frick.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: But his name yellow or what the hell ever?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Well, apparently he dyed his hair yellow or something, and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: so we got a nickname yellow and it just stuck,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: which is the dumbest way to get a nickname.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, call me Beard Beard Ben. In the documentary,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: his daughter actually is on there speaking, which is like wild,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: and they're at one point even like calls her dad.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think he knew that it
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: was like being recorded.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but yeah, you know, I'm going to
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: assume that he did know, just because the fact it's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: released on like Netflix. I they, well, no, because he's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: another citizen of another country, they could probably just get
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: away with not asking for permission. Just do it anyways,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: because what's he going to do?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: But like right there, even his own like flesh flesh,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: whoa flesh and blood? Flesh and I can't speak right now,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: lesh and flesh and blood questions him.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, Well, reportedly he came home with like off this
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: cruise with like a bunch of photos of women. Yeah,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and we know that there was photos of Amy missing.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: We know that there is human trafficking. There is some
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: human trafficking in the area of this world, it is reported,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: but he claims to have nothing to do with it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: See. I go back and forth big time with this
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: case of whether I think that you know, she's alive
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: or not, and this sad thing is gosh, if she's alive, like, well,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: either way, it's sad, but I just think that her
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: life has probably not been very easy. No, definitely, it's
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: really sad. And yeah, the poor family, like, yeah, the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: family's in this dock and they just talk about it,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: just the effects of this of their life, right, you know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: for the last almost thirty years.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: So they her parents still keep Amy's car polished and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: ready to go in the garage when she gets home.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, oh my god, I forgot about that. It
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: just like breaks your fucking heart.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Anyway, on that note, I guess.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: On that note, you guys should definitely watch this documentary.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, I believe it's Amy Bradley is Missing.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I close Netflix. I got to open up again just
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: to confirm that that's what it's called. But yeah, check
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: it out. It is really good. They talk about a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: couple different angles that I decided to not dissect on
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: my own. So it's it's worth the watch for sure.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: And then after that you can watch Poop Cruise and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: then you can just never go on another cruise in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: your whole entire life.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you like it, you like it, but
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I just ah. Yeah. Also, the ocean terrifies me. I'm
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: sure I've talked about that before. I love the freaking ocean,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: but from a shore.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Really I want to look at it. I want to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I want to hear it, but we have.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: No idea some of the stuff in there. I am
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: certain it's like some terrify.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: It's like over eighty percent of the ocean is like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: discovered or explored or something like that. Most of it's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: just unexplored.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, one day I do want to live by
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the ocean, and I like love paddle boarding, but I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: would have trouble. I think paddleboarding and the freaking ocean, Yeah,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I think you'd probably get used to it until you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: were like come across a freaking whale or shark, and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: you'd never do it again.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: You see those videos where people think that's awesome. And
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I would literally be shitting myself on the paddle board.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I showed you a video of today. If someone just
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: fishing in the ocean in a whale shark just swims
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: up by the boat, I mean, they're completely harmless, but
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: they're gying enormous key.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: But on a boat, I feel like I'd be a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: little more better. Imagine that, and you were on a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: paddle board.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, the ocean would be a little
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: more brown.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: The ocean. I don't know, I think I would. I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: would probably end up doing something stupid and fall in
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: and just okay, that's it, I'm done.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Just accept your fate and just sink. Just take me world.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, this freaking shark literally wanted nothing to do
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: with you, But you were just by.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: The shark's talking to his buddies later that just this bitch.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: You should have seen her.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so scary.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Ocean is terrifying. But anyways, thank for being here. Go
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: watch that documentary you know the drill. There's a whole
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: description of stuff down below. We're an independent podcast and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: with your support we can keep doing this. So thank
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you very much. We appreciate you and until next time,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: stay wicked,