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Obedience Meets Motherhood with Felicia Latour · Just Heal with Dr Jay

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jesshill with Doctor j a production of The
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  Speaker 1: Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. So today I have
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  Speaker 1: an amazing friend. I love her work. I love what
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  Speaker 1: she does with her platform. She is a faith based entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. It's unique. It's also profound because she
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  Speaker 1: is very, very very intentional about you, knowing that the
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  Speaker 1: foundation of her business is built on her faith. I
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  Speaker 1: want to welcome to the Healing Community team, miss Felicia Latour.
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  Speaker 1: Some of you may know her as somebody's mama, because
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  Speaker 1: one thing Felicia gonna do is she gonna put that
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  Speaker 1: hat on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put that on.
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  Speaker 1: She's gonna put that hat on. Folks as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: say she put it on, or she put that ish on.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's that's not this type of podcast. So
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  Speaker 1: we don't say those type of things over here. But Felicia,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the Healing Community.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Now. You came in. Now talk about you got a
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  Speaker 1: big personality. Now come on, don't come in and there's
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  Speaker 1: all this, you know, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get there yet slowly, but sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, you gotta warm up. See when you
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  Speaker 1: get my age, you gotta warm up to warm up.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I tell people. They said, man, how is
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  Speaker 1: it in your forties when you go to the gym?
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  Speaker 1: I said, I gotta do a warm up to warm up,
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  Speaker 1: then I can get the work out started. So I
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  Speaker 1: definitely understand your method. Listen. So I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: have you and glad that you were available. C J
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  Speaker 1: and I we have such a unique chemistry of how
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  Speaker 1: we go about selecting people to interview on a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we get inundated with tons of requests. Can
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  Speaker 1: you interview by client? Can you interview this person? And
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  Speaker 1: I have a difficult time saying no, So I send
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  Speaker 1: them to Christy other people on our team, and I
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  Speaker 1: let them be the bad guy. That's idea. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta know because that has to be a buffer.
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  Speaker 1: But I've watched your journey over the years. You're very
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  Speaker 1: honest with your audience, and I want to open this
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  Speaker 1: up with the question that I often ask every guest
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  Speaker 1: before we just get into the crux of what we
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  Speaker 1: want to discuss. How are you feeling today in this moment?
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  Speaker 2: I feel at peace, I feel thankful, and I feel blessed.
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  Speaker 2: And I see those answers because I spent a lot
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  Speaker 2: of time not feeling like that and so being able
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  Speaker 2: to be in that and to be present and to
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  Speaker 2: actually say it and believe it and know it is
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  Speaker 2: a very very exciting feeling. And so I just feel excited,
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  Speaker 2: especially because I've been being real obedient, So I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what're we doing? Guy? So you know, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: would probably say those are like top three things that
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  Speaker 2: I feel today. Yeah, and it's been consistent, which is nice.
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  Speaker 1: I love that, and I love that you shared that
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  Speaker 1: at peace, thankful, and then bless Yeah, I love that
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  Speaker 1: all three of those have this variation of a part
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  Speaker 1: of us as humans that we can easily neglect because
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  Speaker 1: you can go through some things and you do not
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  Speaker 1: feel blessed. You can be going through some things that
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  Speaker 1: you're not feel that peace and you cannot be thankful
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  Speaker 1: because you can ask God why me? And I'm intentional
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  Speaker 1: with where I'm going with this because I've been watching
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  Speaker 1: your journey on sharing about obedience. What has that meant
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  Speaker 1: to you? To obey God? And as I love to
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  Speaker 1: share with people, it's learning to obey Him when you
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, because that's when obedient is best displayed when
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  Speaker 1: you don't understand. So what has that been like to
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  Speaker 1: enter into that space where you're like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to obey.
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  Speaker 2: I've I spent a lot of time trying to do
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  Speaker 2: it my way, and I've made the money, I've got
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  Speaker 2: in the car, I've all the things you can think of,
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  Speaker 2: but I still didn't feel peace within. And I knew
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  Speaker 2: it was because I wasn't opening my word and really
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  Speaker 2: being obedient, really trying to understand being a relationship with Christ.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the thing that really flipped it around.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't easy. You know, celibacy before marriage wasn't easy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, not smoking wasn't easy. But I knew that
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  Speaker 2: I had to do that to get to that place
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  Speaker 2: of peace. And so now when I stand in that piece,
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  Speaker 2: I stand in that thankfulness, I stand in that feeling
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  Speaker 2: of bless I'm like, oh, no, I know what I've done.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that temptation doesn't come. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that you don't have bad days. But I just
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  Speaker 2: look at it from a different perspective, and it really
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  Speaker 2: reminds me of the Scripture of like God will really
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  Speaker 2: give you the piece that surpasses all understanding and I'm
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  Speaker 2: in that and I'm like, oh no, I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: take up space right here. This is tight, this is fire.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm learning my identity in Christ and not just
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  Speaker 2: going through the world in trying to be who everybody
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  Speaker 2: is telling me that I should be. And that's a
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  Speaker 2: very liberating feeling, you know, and knowing that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a liberated feeling. In this season, you share on
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  Speaker 1: one of your posts years ago about your mental health
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  Speaker 1: and navigating trying to listen to God while also manage
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  Speaker 1: your mental health and out and for those because I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be oblivious to those who don't understand
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  Speaker 1: mental health, here's my thing. Mental health is life in motion.
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  Speaker 1: If you're alive, mental health is real for you. And
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  Speaker 1: when I say that, it's it's real for you. It's
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  Speaker 1: your emotional, social, and your physical well being and the
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  Speaker 1: states in which you function and how you engage with
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  Speaker 1: others based on how you engage with yourself. The reason
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  Speaker 1: I want to give that elaborate context is because often
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  Speaker 1: when people hear mental health, they immediately think about mental
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  Speaker 1: health issues. What are the issues? The depression the anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: the disorders, which would be schizophrenia, bipolar, personality disorder, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all of these different things. So I wanted to really
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  Speaker 1: provide context because for you, it was the mental health
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  Speaker 1: that you were speaking about. It was like, Man, why
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  Speaker 1: is life life in at this moment?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And I've seen it growing up my
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  Speaker 2: whole life. You know, my mom was really big on
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  Speaker 2: go outside and eat right and take vitamins, and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't understand what she was doing. You know, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: like okay. And it wasn't until I had my daughter,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when I went through really bad postpartum depression
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  Speaker 2: and I tried to commit suicide. It didn't work, Praise God.
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  Speaker 2: Throughout life, in my childhood, I saw so much mental
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  Speaker 2: health around me. I've seen a lot, and I've always
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  Speaker 2: been the person that wants to try to save. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't understand why my intermediate family, like everybody, was on drugs,
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  Speaker 2: but I saw that it was the mental health part
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  Speaker 2: was lacking. There was something deeper. And the way that
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  Speaker 2: guy works with me is he allows me to experience
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  Speaker 2: it to an extent so that I can minister and
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  Speaker 2: share my testimony through that. And when I went through
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  Speaker 2: my space. I didn't understand that at first. I just knew,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what is this. I have this brand new,
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  Speaker 2: beautiful baby, I have this life that from the outside
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  Speaker 2: people are like, oh, it's perfect, you have everything, But
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  Speaker 2: inside I was just like, what is going on?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times people don't, especially
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  Speaker 2: when you have a child, people don't understand that when
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  Speaker 2: you literally deliver your child's the placinsa comes out, the
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  Speaker 2: vitamins are too the baby, and so I didn't understand that.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't making sense to me, and I was overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 2: You also grieve the identity of who you are and
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  Speaker 2: who you thought where you were going to be. I
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  Speaker 2: was what twenty two, I was really young. My makeup
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  Speaker 2: career was like taking off, and it was like everything
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  Speaker 2: just came to a halt. Yeah, and so that was
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  Speaker 2: It's as much as my daughter is and will continue
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  Speaker 2: to be a blessing in that moment, that was a
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  Speaker 2: traumatic experience. And I think a lot of times when
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  Speaker 2: people think about pregnancy and having a baby, it's not
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it's beautiful and there's this and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: hold on, I don't really feel like that all the way.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't that I was ungrateful, but there was something
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  Speaker 2: internally that was happening. And when I started to recognize that,
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  Speaker 2: I really just jumped on my social media and was like,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I'm not the only one that feels like this.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like I needed to speak out the amounts
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  Speaker 2: of mothers that slit in my DMS emails. I was
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  Speaker 2: making youtubes about it, like this is how I feel,
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  Speaker 2: and so many moms were like, oh my god, I
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  Speaker 2: was going to commit suicide until randomly your video. It
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  Speaker 2: was like a lot of people and that's when I
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  Speaker 2: knew this is what my purpose is. My purpose is
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  Speaker 2: to help people to really see that first of all,
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  Speaker 2: there's a way out, and second of all, you're not
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  Speaker 2: the only one that's by yourself. That's why I share
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  Speaker 2: so much. I share it because I don't want people
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  Speaker 2: to fill alone. I don't feel like that's what God
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  Speaker 2: created us to do.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: And the same things that I'm going through you can
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  Speaker 2: easily be going through too. But I think I always
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  Speaker 2: say that vulnerability brings connection. It helps people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to really connect to that. So did you did you
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  Speaker 2: ask me a question?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: You just start going in.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, no, you're far and I like where you going.
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  Speaker 1: Because my work started off with single mothers, girls in
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  Speaker 1: group homes, and girls who were victims of sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: That's when my work started. And there I met Alicia Jarrett.
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  Speaker 1: Always say her name because she was puvotal for my
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  Speaker 1: journeys because she called me in an office and said,
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  Speaker 1: you have to go back to school. I was. I was.
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  Speaker 1: I had a it was called emotional Recovery for a mom,
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  Speaker 1: single moms girls and they were coming to drove to
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  Speaker 1: my program. I'm just doing what God's put in me.
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  Speaker 1: And didn't realize I was teaching some element of emotional
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  Speaker 1: intelligence because all of these girls, some of them Manhannan
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  Speaker 1: babies already, so it was they was dealing with so
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  Speaker 1: much trauma. The experiences that they've had with men had
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  Speaker 1: already been dysfunctional. It had always you know, it was toxic,
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  Speaker 1: it was abusive, it was harmful, and just the stories.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember a mom saying to me that I
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  Speaker 1: loved my daughters, but there's a part of me that
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  Speaker 1: at times, Jay, I don't like them. And here's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going with that because of something that you said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think, And this is where I love that
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  Speaker 1: I have this space to educate men. And one day
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  Speaker 1: I wish I want to talk to fathers because I've
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  Speaker 1: had to work and kind of, you know, reframe a
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  Speaker 1: lot for couples, and particularly when women have kids and
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  Speaker 1: its first child is there's a part of you that
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  Speaker 1: can be holding joy in one hand and sorrow in
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  Speaker 1: the other, and it can feel very oxymorratic. And it's
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  Speaker 1: an interesting paradox because how is it that, oh, the
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  Speaker 1: baby is so precious, look at it, and then on
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  Speaker 1: the other end, my life is over And not like
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  Speaker 1: my life is over, but the life that I had
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  Speaker 1: in mind, because now my life goes to this child.
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  Speaker 1: So I really love that you talked about that in
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  Speaker 1: detail because I watch my sisters go through postpartum depression
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  Speaker 1: and scientifically, people don't realize that it could last up
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  Speaker 1: to five years. And men are thinking that, man, she's
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  Speaker 1: just you know. On one It's like, brother, let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you this. I'm gonna look at a camera on
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  Speaker 1: this for brother, the amount of changes that a woman
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  Speaker 1: body goes through. My mother used to help deliver babies.
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  Speaker 1: This is all I know so much. She would often
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  Speaker 1: say when a woman is giving birth to a child,
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  Speaker 1: death walks around her bed seven times. I grew uprom Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: so that's like one of those things where the mothers
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  Speaker 1: will pray. When my mom, it was said to me
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  Speaker 1: when my mother was giving birth, the whole town was
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  Speaker 1: praying because she was giving birth to a boy. My
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  Speaker 1: mom is one of thirteen girls, and so she was
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  Speaker 1: bringing a sign in hearing this and hearing those mothers
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  Speaker 1: reach out to you. Did it make you? And this
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  Speaker 1: is a real this is I don't want you to
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  Speaker 1: be honest. Did it make you feel any better?
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  Speaker 2: Still? What make me feel any better?
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  Speaker 1: You were creating the space for them while sharing your experiences.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going somewhere with this because how often are
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  Speaker 1: we helping other people lives become better because we are
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  Speaker 1: sharing a part of our story, but nothing has changed
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  Speaker 1: for us.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm, that's a good question. I feel like fifty to
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  Speaker 2: fifty because slowly but surely I realized I was a
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  Speaker 2: leader of this pack and I had to find the
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  Speaker 2: answers not only for myself. And the way I think
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  Speaker 2: about it is, you know, I feel like I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it's Kendrick or knit, and they say like,
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  Speaker 2: once you get gained, you got to pass it back.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the way I thought about it, like here,
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  Speaker 2: take this vitamin. This has helped me. Here, take this,
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  Speaker 2: Like okay, y'all need to get your bible now and
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  Speaker 2: take this. And it's like everybody's passing it back. But
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  Speaker 2: there was still a part that I would find certain things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm still sad, but we're just gonna try everything,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So I really feel like it's fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 2: I will say the way that my community shows up,
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  Speaker 2: my community is predominantly black women. The way that they
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  Speaker 2: have my back and the way that I have their back,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's nothing like it. Nothing like it. I'm always
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  Speaker 2: be like, I love y'all.
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  Speaker 1: I love you here, listen, we brothers got to catch
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  Speaker 1: up because y'all have community so well. Y'all do community
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  Speaker 1: so well. How important was your community or did you
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  Speaker 1: realize the importance of a community when you were navigating that.
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  Speaker 2: So I grew up in a single parent household, and
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't that my mom didn't want to help, she
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  Speaker 2: just didn't have the capacity. There's three of us, so
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  Speaker 2: asking for help felt like I felt like I was
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  Speaker 2: a burden. So I always say my daughter was the
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  Speaker 2: reason why I had to learn I had to ask
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  Speaker 2: for help because you can't do it by yourself. I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe that that's how we're designed. You need aunties,
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  Speaker 2: you need a grandma, you need uncle, you need everybody.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was probably one of the most uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: things I had to learn, was ask for help and
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  Speaker 2: lean on community, because I'm like, oh, maybe they're busy,
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  Speaker 2: but now I'm like, girl, go ask your auntie, go
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  Speaker 2: ask your grandma. You know. But and it's so liberating,
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  Speaker 2: it's so liberating. But I really thought that asking for
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  Speaker 2: help was a weakness. So a lot of times when
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  Speaker 2: women are like, what's your advice, I'm like, ask for help,
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  Speaker 2: leaning to your community, and if you don't have it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm always like, pray for it. Go different place, go
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  Speaker 2: to the park, like it's there. You just have to
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  Speaker 2: open yourself to it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was Do you feel most women are
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  Speaker 1: closed off from building community? And if so, why?
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of times women have trauma with
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  Speaker 2: their mom. I think that is something that happens a lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's something that that happens a lot, and
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  Speaker 2: so you have this guardup of like, well, you're my
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  Speaker 2: your mom is the example of how other women are,
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  Speaker 2: so we think and to trust. I would always be like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you want from me? I would always be
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  Speaker 2: on guard. But I'm also the same person that is
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  Speaker 2: constantly pouring out, so I wouldn't even allow. I'm like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't come over here. You know, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: you want. You being too nice to me. It was
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  Speaker 2: so challenging. When I first had my daughter, the children's
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  Speaker 2: grandmother on their father's side, she was so helpful. She
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  Speaker 2: still is amazing. I love her. I had a nanny,
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  Speaker 2: I had all of it, and I was like, can
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  Speaker 2: you guys please leave? I was so overwhelmed. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: please leave me alone, like because I wasn't used to it.
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  Speaker 2: My daughter had to force me. That's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: And so looking back, I can see the blessing and
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  Speaker 2: I'm so thankful that I went through that. But I
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  Speaker 2: really feel like it's rooted in. Maybe somebody screwed you over,
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  Speaker 2: like throughout life. You know, maybe your experiences is you
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  Speaker 2: were bullied by other women. You know, you never know,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't allow that to now that I'm older,
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  Speaker 2: I don't allow that to like determine how I move,
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  Speaker 2: especially the community that I have, And when I needed
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  Speaker 2: to be healed, it was women that were around me.
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  Speaker 2: That's who was around me. It was woman you know.
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  Speaker 2: There was my therapist, my neurologists, my psychiatrist is all
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  Speaker 2: black women that were all around my community, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And when I would say something, they would show up
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  Speaker 2: to an event and rally around me like thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much. And so the way I see it, especially
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  Speaker 2: when women are like I can't trust women, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're cutting yourself short. You need them, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm sitting here. My heart is leaping for joy
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  Speaker 1: because I'm the oldest, I have two sisters with three with.
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  Speaker 2: Two your firstborn, first art, oldest, firstborn, and you're a man.
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  Speaker 2: The Bible talks a lot about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was really quick. My mother said
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  Speaker 1: when I was born, the whole town was like celebrating.
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  Speaker 1: And what I love about now that my mom used
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  Speaker 1: to see me in this is her friends get to
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  Speaker 1: celebrate with her. It's like, girl, we told you that
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  Speaker 1: boy was gonna be something. Man. It is like I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: tell him I always asked my mom. I said, Mom,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: how does that feel? And she was just break down.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: She's just like she said, I don't know, Son, because
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I remember a little Jay running through the house and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I can you know, I'm gonna try not to cry.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: But my mom, man, she's just such an amazing lady
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and watching her age has really changed me. She says, Jay.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I know you're forty three, but she says, Son, there's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: times I'm sitting in the house and I can hear
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: your footsteps as a little baby. So she said, just
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: to see you as a man, and it blesses me
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: because I think to myself, what great joy is it
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: for a parent to watch your seed do something great,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: to do something transformative. And as I'm as I'm listening
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to you, I see that same joy in you as
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you're watching your kids, because I watch everything you do
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: with you, especially with your son, and it's just so
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: unique to watch you have joy about him kind of
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: exploring and finding his own independency. My question for you,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to something you said about
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: your mom not having capacity and your first job being
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: your daughter. Did your having your daughter help you understand
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: your mom better?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yes? And there's still moments where I have to pull
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: forward compassion because I have to constantly remind myself. I
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: have to constantly ask God. This morning, something happened and
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I said, oh, I feel so triggered. Lord, I said,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: but I don't want to be triggered. I want you
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to help me get through this because I know that
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: she's also a mother and she goes through a lot.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: So it's constant, you know, but I know it's for
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a reason. But yeah, having my children, I look at
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: my mom, like, girl, you had three y'all. Oh yeah,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you're a real one. You solid And you know too.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I think about the resources that my mom, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: like she was at the county. She was YMCA for
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: free y'all go swim. She really used her resources, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, you really kept us like busy, you know.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And so I'm always very thankful for that, which is
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: also why I'm always outside kicking the ball, throwing the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: football to my son, you know, like helping my daughter
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: with her acting and going on nature walks. It's like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: that's what that's what life is about to me, at least,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Did having children help in your healing? Journey.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, they're the reason why I've healed one hundred thousand percent.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: When I look at my kids, I see parts of
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: myself that I abandon. I see parts of myself that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I stopped living and stopped pouring into. My son taught
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: me to understand men because I'm like, oh, this is
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: what's inside of you guys's body. I didn't understand men
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: before having a son.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I talked to God about that. I was like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I don't get them. I said, I don't get it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Come one, so let's go deeper down because.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. And I didn't grow up with
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: my father, wasn't in home, you know.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: So I was like, so, okay, give me something because
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I like little man. He's so smooth. Man, he's so smooth.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Like how what? What? What did you learn and what
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: stood out to you from your son that gave you
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a greater understanding about men.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing is how emotional you guys really are.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Because CJ card time, Because what.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Does that mean? That means gang yang?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: No, that when we do that, that means it's a bar.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It's a moment of just profoundness. Yeah. So you had
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a car tear moment.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Amazing, how many cars I got?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Oh? We have two more like that? Fee Yeah, yeah,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with my sister.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Wait, can I tell you my philosophy? Yes, and I
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: could be wrong. I could be wrong. Okay. So my
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: philosophy is this. When I look at my son, I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: able to see the inner child that is in men.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I'm able to see the rawness of a man. I'm
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: able to see the gentleness. I'm able to see the sensitivity.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And sometimes I do feel like men are more emotional
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: than women. But I feel like the world has told you,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: guys that this is not okay, that you have to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: hide it, you have to shelter it. But sometimes I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: look at my son, like, Loki, you're more emotional than
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: your sister. And so I don't know. That's just that's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: my philosophy. Tell me if I'm wrong or not, I'm
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: just making I don't know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So I love the philosophy a few tweaks, but you're
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: not far off. I would say we are just as
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: emotional as you guys are. It's just expressed differently. I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: don't think either or are more. I think it's equal.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You guys innately have a dynamic maternally, because whether a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: woman has kids or not, she has a maternal instinct.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And because you have that, naturally, there's a part of
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you that get to express that without thinking. We have
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to be developed and rear and constructed in a way
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: on how you express that. The only way that we
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: get to express it where it is either celebrated or
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it's very punitive. It's anger. And because anger is such
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a low hanging fruit, most boys never develop beyond the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: understanding of I'm mad rather than I'm disappointed, I'm mad
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: rather than I'm really sad. And because we don't have
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the language, how we feel is often not communicated, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: when it is expressed, it's usually physical. Because when a man,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and I tell women is a man who can't talk
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: is dangerous because if he can't talk, he's going to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: do this. A man who can express himself comprehensively intelligently
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: because he have the intellect and have the ability to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: understand not only his emotions, but to understand how his
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: emotions impacts someone else, which allows him to have the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: ability to say, I need to slow down.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: When do you feel like that clicks?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: At what age it does it only clicks if it
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is developed. So because we are socially underdeveloped by the time, scientifically,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you guys are eleven years ahead of us. Most men
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: don't really develop emotionally until like mid forties, early fifties.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Sad because how many men actually go to therapy, how
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: many men actually allow themselves to feel seen, because being
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: seen has a lot to do with understanding your vulnerability.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Listen to what you're saying, right, you're saying that I'm
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: understanding through my son, the little boy that is in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: most men. And if that little boy is not hell
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: as Glenn was just talking about, if you're not hugged properly,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: if you're not love, if you're not giving the space
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to say, hey, tell me what's wrong and what are
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you feeling, you are now living a life where you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: conceal and everything. And the reason most men are depressed
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: because depression is really anger and turned inside. It's anger
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: turned outside in. So I can't change what happened, so
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go tear up everything. I can't do
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: anything about it, so I'm gonna just go rob them.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go shoot them. All of these things
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that you were sharing destructive. And this is why I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: often tell school district when i'm speaking, is that you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: cannot heal black men until you start repairing black boys.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Frederick Duglass said this right. It's easier to build strong
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: with children than it is to heal rogan men.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: One hundred thousand percent.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And that's why my heart for men is what it is.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And I know that this ministry and that this annoying
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: thing that God is putting me for men because I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: know what it's like to be a son who's a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: full grown man but still long to be fathered, you know.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm also understanding what it's like to now father
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: my father because my healing has allowed me to see
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the little boy in a sixty six year old man.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So when he's on the phone and he's just hey,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: where you at today? All I'm at the airport. Okay
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: where you're attitude? He is such and such? Okay, Okay,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: what's the weather like? Da da da dah? All right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: all right, man, have a safe trip. And he gets
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: off the phone. I have an understanding that he can't
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: have an extensive conversation because my grandfather never spoke to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: him in a way to extend his range of words
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: beyond whether how you doing, man, what you ate? My
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: healing allowed me to wow, Man, I get it doesn't
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: change what I experienced, what I felt, but the grace
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and the compassion that I had. So and I'm loving
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that your son gets to experience a full range of
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: emotion because I was an angry kid. I talked about
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: this in one episode. Almost killed my stepdad fifteen while
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he was sleep on the couch, and I talked about
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this in one of the episodes. I don't know what
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: we're gonna release it because it is raw, and I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: just I don't know if my family will be able
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to take it. And I was getting ready to kill him,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and I just remember the anger. I had to follow
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: through with it, and the only thing that stopped me
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: was always spirit. We have a lot of boys that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: are grown men that are angry because no one never
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: asked them what was wrong, and now they become suicidal
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and homicidal. So I love. I didn't mean to go
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: on that rent, but I love what you're doing with
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: your son. It's gonna be life changing because he's going
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to be a better husband.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I tell him that all the time. I'm like, and
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: you know, what he tells me, Mammy, calmed down, I'm
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: still sick. I'm like, okay, my.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Bad, So we gotta start early. Tell young King, we
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: gotta start early.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I And he loves to be independent
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and he's such a helper. He loves to help. He mom,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do my laundry. But I also know that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I need you to understand this, you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I need you to He's very independent. But then when
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that son comes down, he's like, Mom, can I come
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: lay with you? I'm like come on. I'm like come on,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: because I never want him to feel like he can't
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: be affectionate. Now, when I drop him of fast school,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: he's like, I'll need you to walk me in. Mom,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: don't give me a kiss. I'm like, my bad. That
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: was hard. That was very hard. But I have to learn,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: That's how I'll be with my mama. Man, like is
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: she come and hear me speak King, I'd be like, Mama, Mama,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: just like like, come on, man.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the thing. I don't feel bad
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: for me. Like as a mom, sometimes I was like, damn,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I doing something wrong. No yeah, so okay, no, no,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It's a part of us that is expanding in a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: way that man, I don't want to I don't want
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: them to see this because it's also you know, it's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: attached your identity. That mom's still kissing you.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: She man, listen, Oh, I think it's so beautiful to y'all.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: To listen at your journey and to listen at your process.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Refreshing. I don't know your age. You look young, very young.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: How old do I look?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: It's you can guess you look thirty four.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thirty four. I turned thirty five in a month.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm so good. Like look thirty four, But I
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: mean you can go for twenty eight, but thirty four
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, all right, I always associate age with
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: level of maturity conversation. Yeah, you know, kids. But to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: hear you know I'm in my forties and to hear
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you as a young black woman, the way you talk
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: about God, the way you share your journey, the way
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you're talking about your son, the way that you're talking
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: about your father and how you got to hear an
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: apology from him. My sister and the reason I'm coming
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: here because my sister said to me all that. She's like, Jay,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: do you think we're ever getting apology from Dad? And
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: we have conversations about this all the time. But I'm
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: filled with joy because you got it. And that's what
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: real healing does for the people that watching. Though I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: didn't get it, but I got it because you got free,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and because you got free, free something in me. This
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: is why healing conversations are life giving to those who
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: will receive it. Like when you think about and I
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: know you have not reached your pinnacle of success, even
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: though you've done a lot of things, but what are
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you most proud about.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: The woman of God that I am? That I think
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm definitely most proud about, because the Woman
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: of God is and the God and Me is the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: anchor of everything. It feeds my children, it feeds my community,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it feeds my endeavors, it feeds the way that I
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: am with people. But I would probably say that in
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the Obedience, but yeah, I would probably say just like
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the heart that I have and the heart posture that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I have is I think it's very beautiful, you know, and.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: It's very rare it is, and I love that you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: chose that because there's much substance in what you just said.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: You didn't say anything about work. You say anything about
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: your brand, Somebody's Mama, which is a dope brand. Go
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: out there and buy all of our merchs. Somebody's Mama.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm somebody's son, you know. But you didn't say anything
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: about your work. It was who you become. How do
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you want to be remembered when your kids are of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: age and they're discussing they experience with you, how do
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you want to be remembered.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I think about this question often.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I felt it. That's why I accident.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to be remembered by my heart, you know.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I want to be remembered by the way that I
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: made people feel, the way that I made people feel seen,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the way that I interact with people. I want people
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: like there's this thing where it's like, if somebody was
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: going to go or people go to your funeral and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: they spoke, what would they say? And I know for
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a fact people would say that, and they would be like,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: we know for sure she's in heaven because she was
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: such a woman of God, you know. And so I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: think that, yeah, yeah, and that I was a super
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: dope mom, you know, And I always think about certain
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: experiences that I have with my children. I'm always like,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: when they get older, I know they're going to remember
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: this because there's so many things I remember with my mom,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, I think I feel like that's it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: CJ. You hear what she just said. She said there
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: are so many things that they will remember. Before you
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: came on, I had a guess who talked about fatherhood
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and this is a statement that I often make. Mothers
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: determine what a child will remember. Father determines what a
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: child will believe.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Mmmm, that's a bar.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So when you said that, it confirmed what that statement
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: is when I release it. But you just said, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: know they're going to remember. For the moms that are watching,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you have such an important role. And this is not
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to diminish dad, but you have such an important role
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: as a mother because that role allows you to pour
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: something that would take them so much further than they
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: ever imagine. Because I often say to myself, man, I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: didn't give me Jesus, I don't know where I'll be
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Because my mom would also say, you know, I don't
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: have degrees like y'all said, But Mama, you have the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: most important degree of all the degree of understanding that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: you got Jesus, and you gave that to us, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you're giving your children Jesus because that would take them
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: fee further than you can ever take them.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm so big on My daughter asked a
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: question the other day, she said, what does heaven look like?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And I said, open up Revelation and read it. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: want you to read it so that you can understand.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And I was just telling my friend this the other day.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I said, the greatest gift that my mom ever gave
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: to me was introducing me to God, introducing me to Christ.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so thankful. I tell her all the I just
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: told her the other day. I was like, thank you
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: so much for introducing me to Christ. One hundred thousand percent.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like you did what you needed.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: To do, you know.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: In closing, there's a woman that is watching that has
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: been divorced, single, single mom, She's lost her job, She's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: trying to figure it out on her own. What will
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you say to her?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Don't try to do it on your own. You gotta
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: do it with God. That's the biggest thing is you
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: have to do it with Christ. I believe that is
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the way to get over the hump. That is the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: way to be able to see yourself. And I think
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of times we see ourselves and we get
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: people's projections and we start to overthink, and we just
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: we don't fully understand ourselves. But I think when we
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: understand ourselves in Christ, it makes me so much easier.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: So don't try to do it on your own, girl,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to do it on your own. There's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: this little voice inside of us that is telling us
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: what to do. I always say that that voice comes
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to me at night and I feel like that is
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: God talking to me. That's the Holy Spirit talking to me.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Listen to that voice. Trust that voice. It's trying to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: guide you. Especially as women. There's so many times where
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: we ignore it and we allow emotions or experiences to
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  Speaker 2: overtake us. But silence the noise when it's too loud.
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  Speaker 2: I personally feel like that's not of God. Open your word,
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  Speaker 2: be around other women that also believe in the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: You are the company that you keep, and just trust.
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  Speaker 2: You have to stress and stay prayed up. We are
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  Speaker 2: a direct channel to Christ. We are the ones that
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  Speaker 2: were chosen to deliver children, and so don't sell yourself short,
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  Speaker 2: like really do it in partnership with.
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  Speaker 1: Christ And what she's saying is clinically, theoretically, you can't
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  Speaker 1: do this thing without community. I often have counsel and
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  Speaker 1: provided there before a lot of women that are in
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  Speaker 1: C suitees. They're successful women who have made great professional decisions,
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  Speaker 1: but have failed in their personal decisions. What I want
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  Speaker 1: to say that you is stop beating yourself up. You
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  Speaker 1: have to allow yourself to start again. I'm in the
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  Speaker 1: process of watching roof in bo As, the film, because
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  Speaker 1: we got an early release to watch it, and the
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  Speaker 1: thing that is standing out to me is how many
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  Speaker 1: women miss their bowass. And when I say bo ass,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a man missed their moment to
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  Speaker 1: be seeing. Whether it's by God, is by the job
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  Speaker 1: of this moment to make a difference a moment, it's
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  Speaker 1: because you have not allowed yourself to let go of
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  Speaker 1: what was. And I'm sharing this in the context of
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  Speaker 1: the film and the biblical story of Boas, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sharing it in the context that Boaz is a man,
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  Speaker 1: but in the context that Boas is actually an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: for you to see your true value and world and
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  Speaker 1: if you don't allow yourself to gree what was, you
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  Speaker 1: would never move into your future. And so many women
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  Speaker 1: that I've talked to in therapy, they are harassed daily
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  Speaker 1: on the stories that they keep telling themselves. And what
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  Speaker 1: fear is saying is that you can't do it with
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  Speaker 1: our community. You can't do it without the source being God,
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  Speaker 1: Christ Lord. However you see him, you need him to
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  Speaker 1: show you you. I often tell people, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to see more of who you really are, pursue God.
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  Speaker 1: Healing happens in many different forms and fast as the
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  Speaker 1: men are different, there as many different modalities. As I'm
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  Speaker 1: a huge proponent of healing, but a bigger proponent of
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  Speaker 1: laying it down at the feet of God, because man
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  Speaker 1: is always going to bring it back up, and because
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  Speaker 1: of who you are as a human being, you don't
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  Speaker 1: keep back up. You know in the book the Four
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  Speaker 1: Agreements that talk about how humans are the only species
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  Speaker 1: that punish themselves over and over and over and over.
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  Speaker 1: Stop punishing yourself. That's how I'm gonna end this. Stop
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  Speaker 1: punishing yourself and go and become the woman that you
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  Speaker 1: desire to be. And you have a great example here
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  Speaker 1: and follow this woman because I don't follow a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, but to watch your journey and to watch
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  Speaker 1: your growth, to watch your evolution and your transparency, it's
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  Speaker 1: something that has encouraged me as a man. So I
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  Speaker 1: want to say I'm prouding black women for what you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: are leading across the platform. Because there's a whole bunch
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of folks out here throwing a whole bunch of stuff
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  Speaker 1: on their social media. That's their business. But you're choosing
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  Speaker 1: to lead in a very transformative way. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: for sharing this time with me today. In the healing community.
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  Speaker 1: Follow her Felicia Latour on instant go support her brand,
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  Speaker 1: Somebody's Mama. You need to come out with some of
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  Speaker 1: somebody's son. Come up with somebody. If you come out
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  Speaker 1: with that, I'll be your spokesperson.
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  Speaker 2: That perfect boom boom.
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  Speaker 1: Don't hold you to it. It's it. I just said it.
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  Speaker 1: Befory about it, So it's done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we got it on camera.
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  Speaker 1: We got it on camera. Yes, So again, guys, what
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  Speaker 1: we do here in the healing community is always transformative
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  Speaker 1: for me. Every conversation heals a part of me, Every
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  Speaker 1: conversation enlights me, every conversation expands my thoughts. About life
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  Speaker 1: and this has been great. This, this conversation had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of depth. He said, we had to take a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: little break. She said, I didn't feel like we were
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: recording because of the profoundness in this and she's so
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: eloquently and poignantly just I mean, oh gosh, I just
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  Speaker 1: I love these things. I wish it wasn't recorded because
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: we keep talking, but we got another episode, so we
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