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The Courageous Six | The Journey from Fear to Faith with Deanna Sudom · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: The first thing I was thinking about the six actually is their loyalty.
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  SPEAKER_02: I believe that is uh the gift that God has given them for this world.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I would also say lamenting as prayer, like bringing the fear directly to God rather than managing it alone.
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  SPEAKER_02: We are all fallible, but God invites you into love and relationship with Him and others just as you are.
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  SPEAKER_02: You are worth the risk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast, the Enneagram for Real Life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here is where you'll find conversations where faith meets story and strategy for lasting transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Amy Wicks, here to help you find wisdom and wholehearted rhythms for moments that matter most.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're learning your type or deepening your spiritual formation, these conversations will remind you that the Enneagram shines a light, but Christ is the transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Deanna, I did not plan this, but not only is it the sixth month of the year, it is Enneagram sixth month.
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  SPEAKER_00: How fun is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: In 2026.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am really looking forward to unpack all the Enneagram six goodness.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of sixes are just needing to be celebrated because they get the rap of being these fearful, timid personality types.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you and I are going to be debunking those myths today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And throughout this month, the conversations we are going to have, they're going to be so stellar.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm just really excited to celebrate this type and really pack it to expose the goodness that's underneath some of the stereotypes or what we think we know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Deanna, thank you for being here again to share about the Enneagram 6.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just so much kudos to you for showing up every month this year so far and for the rest of the year.
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  SPEAKER_00: But let's dive into all about the six and some of the spiritual formation insights that are really going to help our friends who are looking through the Enneagram Six lens in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when you're thinking about the six, when the type six comes to mind, what is coming up first for you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or what do you think of?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, first of all, for continuing to have me, not firing me yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: No way, Jose.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm loving it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a fan of the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's good to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yay!
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  SPEAKER_02: So I the first thing I was thinking about the six actually is their loyalty.
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  SPEAKER_02: I believe that is uh the gift that God has given them for this world is to be loyal and uh, you know, a stand by your side kind of person.
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  SPEAKER_02: And once they completely know that they can walk with you and have your trust and just faithfulness, I suppose, they are genuinely showing up for us there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I really love that about them.
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  SPEAKER_02: We were just pre-talking before about how much we really love the type six when we have seen the gifts that they can offer people.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think they I think is recognized for they can see what could go wrong.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like they're just the safety, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: We used to tease one of my friends for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And until I kind of explained a little bit more about it, and she embraced that's actually a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need those kind of people in this world to protect us and do that type of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But even the courage in the sixes, absence of fear in in their willingness to act anyway, when they see it can arise their anxiety.
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  SPEAKER_02: But when they act anyway, it's pretty courageous thing that they do.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one other thing I know from personal experience, they are truth tellers, they tell you like it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think what's really interesting listening to you to reflect reflecting on some of the sixes that you know and your experience, there's a shade of eight in some of that.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what is just a tiny bit different is that the six is way more motivated by relationship and security in relationship, but then they're necessarily like an eight who's looking for justice, fairness, and agency for themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that looks just a little bit different, but it can look similar to uh even just if you go back and listen to what Deanna said, I was like, oh, that there's a shade of an eight there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But to understand that loyalty and even the security and safety that's driving them is really based on relationship and the physical safety, not as much as the vulnerability betrayal element like the eight would.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I think that's important, but the truth teller thing, when a six feels safe in a relationship, you can count on them to tell you what the truth is or how they perceive the cautions and the things that we need to be taking into consideration, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: True story, true story.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know there's been some different conversations out there, phobic versus counterphobic when it comes to the sixes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that they can sometimes be described as maybe two different versions of the type, but it has been my experience that each six has that phobic side to them and that counterphobic side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know that's always reflective of the work they've done.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just an element of how they lean in their environment or what freedom they've been given to walk into that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just curious for you, because that can lend itself to mistyping for different reasons.
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  SPEAKER_00: How have you seen that show up differently?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or do you see sixes be very clearly one or the other?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've seen it play out with a couple sixes that I know really clearly, actually, in they act like a phobic six, which tends to move away from your fear, that they seek reassurance, looks more visibly anxious, and refers to trusted authorities.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see that playing out a lot more in their relationships.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I've watched.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, the counterphobic six I've seen that moves toward the fear, appears bold and even aggressive, even assertive in that eight-type way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and testing limits looks more like the eight there from the outside.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see that in their work environment.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um so I don't know if that's I'm I mean everybody, there's nuances to everything, but see that very clearly in the in the couple that I know well.
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  SPEAKER_02: This shows up that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think they're both still driven by the same anxiety, but the expression is just different depending where they are and who they're with.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think this is a reminder to dig deeper than the actions when it comes to Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of other typologies that help us understand our actions, but Enneagram, again, is why we do what we do and to understand is the fear driving you or motivating you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is the desire for security the theme behind the story to either push away or against?
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think also this thread phobic, counterphobic can be a little bit jarring for those who love them because they can see this play out in them at different times and maybe relationally even.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it can throw the people closest to them for a loop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, wait a minute, where's this coming from?
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  SPEAKER_00: They're loyal, they're steady, they desire the relationship, the security in it, but they can also be your bogus pushers in a way like an eight could at times.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it can be a little confusing sometimes, depending on the relationship and the context of it as you experience the six.
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  SPEAKER_00: So kind of important to know.
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  SPEAKER_00: You alluded to it earlier, and we were just talking about a little bit, but when six is afraid, what is underneath the scanning and the preparation in the what-of scenario thinking?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would say the core fear.
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  SPEAKER_02: So playing on the core fear, being without support, guidance, or trustworthy authority, uh, being abandoned in the moment they most need someone.
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  SPEAKER_02: So those would be the things they're running away from.
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  SPEAKER_02: The question under every six pattern is can I trust you really?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the fear of being betrayed by the very people or even the systems, like I spoke about with them at work or just in life in general.
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  SPEAKER_02: They've been given their loyalty to their fear in being betrayed in those places, would be part of their fears, how that shows up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Being left alone to face something that they don't feel equipped to handle.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've seen that play out often and really just love helping them get to a place where they can trust themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And being able to know that usually they are equipped to handle it because they've seen all the scenarios and made all the preparation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and making the wrong decision with no one to help them to discern is another fear, I think, that they have to yeah, because a six does uh not only naturally carry the inner committee, but different from the one and the inner critic, the six, it's a lot of different opinions rolling around on the inside, but they want it from the outside too.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is something I think we'll be coming back to in the themes of conversation over this month is the wanting to hear from everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Am I okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this the right decision?
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  SPEAKER_00: Will this decision lead me to be okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I see this play out even with some close relationships, even those who have a six-wing, and that is prevalent.
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  SPEAKER_00: I see it even in me.
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  SPEAKER_00: In some different arenas where I was saying, like, wow, this six wing is really flapping right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it was an indication of some wounding and things that I needed to tend to for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um I think that's that's a huge desire for a six, is to have that support, not to be left alone in that, whether, especially if it what if it's the wrong decision, or what if it was a decision that didn't lead to the safety of myself and others like I thought it would.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think that's a that plays into the fear.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think those who are an Enneagram six and a mom could probably relate very deeply to that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I believe so.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the reasons why we love having you every month is we, you know, we have all sorts of different titles for you in our circle here of coaches.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we love your formation, spiritual formation leadership in our group, and you use that gifting a lot in your coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, how is it that you've seen sixes experience God?
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  SPEAKER_00: And where does the core fear make that a little bit complicated or challenging, even?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that they often approach God as an authority figure and relationships with authority is complicated for them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I see a lot of wrestle in the relationship with God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, once they land there, though, they're pretty loyal to it for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if they grew up with a trusted spiritual authority, they may have a deep anchored faith.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if they've experienced betrayal in religious communities or leadership, even through work and seeing the authority in that, they may carry that wound into their experience with God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think too, they can loyalty test God, the way that they test people pushing to see if he'll stay pushing up against that and just seeing where that's gonna land if they're if they're maybe worthy enough for him to stay in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I see with the counterphobic sixes that they appear to rebel against faith even while they're deeply longing for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's this deep desire to have faith and to to really be able to release that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just spoke that to someone this morning who's a type six, actually, and just said, just take it all, release it to him, physically open your hands to him and allow him to take what you've been holding that's so tight.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so the invitation really is moving from faith as a system to trust in a person.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I was thinking about scripture for type six, and I think actually I would go with Isaiah 41, verses 10 and 11.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh is do not fear, for I'm with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will strengthen you and help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just think this is the promise of presence in the exact places where the six is maybe feeling the fear, to just be reminded that this is who he is for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in that, too, always this one I quote a lot when I'm talking to a type six, that God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think this is an invitation for them to, as a head type, especially, to speak this out loud and over themselves and their spirit to remind them that God has made them to be this way.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's not given you a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, those are perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm thinking of the rhythm or the spiritual practice of Lectio, because our society is really big into affirmations and declarations and mantras, and they're great ideas, but they've just been hijacked from the spiritual practices that a rhythm like Lectio does, which I think if if a friend listening to us for the first time hasn't heard the term Lektio, we're not talking something woo-woo, but simply the practice of reading the scripture, not only in your mind, but reading it aloud or listening to it and allowing it to be read over you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you meditate on it again and again.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just that one passage of scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can pair it with movement, you can pair it with being outside, you can pair it with sitting in stillness, silence, and solitude.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of different ways you can pair scripture for it to do the transforming work that isn't about doing more or even believing harder, but about allowing the truth to be first and foremost on your mind, but also to rewrite the narrative or to direct the narrative so that way the lies that are quickly slipping in and creating the fear can have truth spoken over them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the the word becomes then the first thing that comes to mind instead of always having to answer fear instead.
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  SPEAKER_00: You lead with that thought and that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I just felt like that would be so powerful for our sixes, our our head types in particular.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's there's something really important there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: It will help them to center, to really listen deeply.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, to ground themselves in that.
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  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: I liked what I read about Lectia once.
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  SPEAKER_02: It says you read, you reflect, you respond, and then you rest.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's just an invitation for the sixes to rest in that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: So read, reflect, respond, and rest.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: There are sixes that we love have all experienced a moment of being stuck.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the deal we get stuck more than once in our lives, uh, unfortunately.
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  SPEAKER_00: What kind of courage does it actually require for a six to do the work or to move out from a place of being stuck?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really like the word courage for sixes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that they are chronically second-guessing themselves in making decisions and then immediately questioning it again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Was that the right one?
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  SPEAKER_02: Until it plays all the way out till the end.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think actually, I'll throw in here this space that the greatest gift I learned with my type six daughter in relationship is allowing her to talk through all the scenarios and eventually she gets to her own solution with all the release.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as I pray and ask the Lord to help her to show her and help her in that place.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been a game changer, really.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that I'm not because I think we always try and intercept and think it's okay, you don't have to worry about, but really it's part of their process.
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  SPEAKER_02: And to let them play it out, it really allows them to have more license, more agency in themselves to be able to speak the truth.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's really great.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it also plays out in seeking reassurance from multiple sources, still not feeling settled in that place, over-preparing for worst-case scenarios that rarely arrive.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: You can't tell them the statistics that you know 98% of the things you worry about don't happen.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: It just falls on closed ears.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um testing the loyalty of people who've already proven themselves trustworthy.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I've watched that play out too in relationships, especially how it is off-putting when they're continuing to test that when the person has felt like I thought I proved that to you, I thought I showed that to you.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yes.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: So that's just an encouragement, I think, for sixes, not as a negative or shaming thing, but just to be able to look and go, okay, I know this person in front of me has proved themselves.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: I know that they have been faithful, I know that they're standing here because they want to be just all the reminders of um having to prove it out in their minds, I suppose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's so good.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I would just go back to your first recommendation, even the gift of being a sounding board in a relationship with the six is so so beautiful because instead of trying to shut it down, give them a place to open up.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I again to be able to find the answers that's there or come to a conclusion that they feel solid about is the best gift that you can give.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, kind of to your point, the sixes are gonna say, no, just tell me, tell me what to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: But our job as a friend or a parent or a spouse is like, well, what do you think you want to do?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me all the different options or scenarios and you how you think it could go.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: So and that takes that takes growth for the partner in the conversation, because it's not always easy.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Our inclination is to, oh, stop worrying so much or whatever it is.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the worst thing you could say to a six.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So does that like and so yeah, and so for a six who's listening here today, I would go, hey, find those people, explain what you need.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you just need one or two where you can say, Hey, I don't, I need you to encourage me to talk about it, talk through it, and all of that, in instead of telling me to hush in just a sec already.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, that's where I've seen her become the most creative and really more confident in who she is and just the ability to go, oh, I can get to the end of this.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just spinning around in my head and and not gonna come to a resolution, you know?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, for sure.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, finding our people to help us through our fears or decision making, all of that is great.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes it's not available, or sometimes we've come to this moment where in our awareness and being awake, we're going, I am exhausted.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: I want to rest, but I don't know how.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think oftentimes that's when a six does intercept the world of coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they were realize or counseling and like, okay, I need someone else to help me.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I need a trusted guy by the side who can help me process this.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: But how would you direct a six?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Who comes to you or how who you've worked with and partnered with in moving from a place of exhaustion to a place of finding rest because our circumstances are going to probably change.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: The decisions are still going to be there, the things to worry about or fear.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: They just don't go away the side of heaven.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: So what do we do with that?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's a big question.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: All the problems for the six.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: How about let's say give the two-minute answer that takes um a good 12 months to work through sometimes.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think actually I was just talking to a type five who has a six-wing as well.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: She usually pulls four, but lots of time.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: She just discovered somatic um movement.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: And she said it's been the greatest gift for her.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe that is one of the greatest things for type six as well, to do the body check to notice where your anxiety is living physically and breathing into it rather than thinking through it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think lots of times they'll think that they have to figure that out and why is this happening and all of that kind of stuff.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: So a daily question to anchor themselves with could be what do I actually know to be true right now when things seem to be spinning out of control or they can't come to a decision, not what might happen or but what is right this moment.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I think practicing trust in small decisions without seeking reassurance.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: I often have practices for each type where I say, okay, this is this is where you start in a small place.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Pick one thing that you can do with someone that you trust, that you can make these small decisions or make your boundaries or say the things.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I think this builds the muscle in that place of these moments that aren't quite high stake kind of things where you can practice trust with people.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then I would also say lamenting as prayer, like bringing the fear directly to God rather than managing it alone.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: I just have um gone through a group that I'm leading, and we talked about holy lament a whole lot, and and a lot of them weren't even aware of the practice, and it's really brought some clarity to their lives.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: I believe this will be a great place for a type six.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: And then also, as we talked about with loyalty, that they do a loyalty inventory, naming the people and the relationships that have proven trustworthy and letting that evidence ground them, just saying, Yes, I see you.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: You are well-intentioned, you are for me and not against me, like they can do with the Lord too.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think those things would be helpful for them.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it speaks to the fear of abandonment or being left to themselves without the support, trust, care.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times we tend to hyperfocus on what's related to our fears, hype hyper-focus on this idea or this concept, or the enemy even maybe plays it up sometimes and does a good job of distracting us or discouraging us.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think a six could easily get to this point of like, no one's gonna help me.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have to do this all on my own, and I'm left to figure it out.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: I have no support.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, ultimately, you and I would say, only God will never leave you, abandon you, forsake you.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: He is the most trustworthy one.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: He will be there for everything from beginning to end, from big to small, the minutiae to the macro.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: But you have likely been given amazing people to support you and encourage you and guide you.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that idea.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Naming people and relationships that you do have that probably aren't perfect.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I might even have the wisdom and the guidance that you are looking for in each and its unique realm of life.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe someone who for work can be that person, someone as a friend, someone regarding spiritual direction or mentorship.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: So all of those things are probably there if you take some time to scan for that, instead of scanning uh what's to be worried about, or who isn't maybe for you, or who you feel is against you, even, which sometimes that what if scenario thinking can go.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: As we wrap up another conversation here for this year and this month, what's one of the most important things that you want a six to hear as they finish this conversation and look ahead or what's ahead?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it almost ties into what you're saying there.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: But type six friends, I think you're totally not off base in being careful with your trust.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I think it was Joyce Meyer that said, in God we trust and everybody else we check out thoroughly.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: Even Jesus knew not to give all of him to humans, you know.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: We give our all to God.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Then this is just wisdom, but human nature doesn't need to hold us captive either.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I encourage you, friends, don't circumvent relationships, waiting for the other shoe to drop where you where they have especially proved their loyalty or their trust to you.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: Don't let suspicion take you out there.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: We are all fallible, but God invites you into love and relationship with Him and others just as you are.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: You are worth the risk.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Amen and amen.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Dina, thank you once again for joining me and doing this.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: I am so excited for our friend to hear this and feel encouraged and excited to live out their best Enneagram six life or to love those who are a six in their lives.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's great.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for joining me for the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: If this conversation spoke to you, please share it with a friend.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can also visit simply wholehearted.com to take the free Enneagram quiz and also get your personalized podcast playlist specific for your Enneagram type.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, friend, your starting point doesn't have to be your stuck point.