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Ep. 651: MeatEater Radio Live! Rare Guns, Best Camp Spots, and Gettysburg · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
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  Speaker 2: Time on Thursday, January sixteenth, and we're live for met
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  Speaker 2: Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Spencer new Arth,
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  Speaker 2: joined today by Seth Morrison Corey Halkins. On today's show,
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  Speaker 2: we'll interview Joel Collander from Rock Island Auction about some
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  Speaker 2: super rare guns that are for sale. Then we'll get
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  Speaker 2: a migration report from Matt McCormick, followed by one minute
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  Speaker 2: fishing with Chester in Wisconsin. After that, we're rank the
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  Speaker 2: three coolest places we've ever camped. And finally we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: to Phil Muskett about one of the most coveted public
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  Speaker 2: lands jobs in America. But before we do anything, Corey,
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  Speaker 2: I need to issue an apology to you. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know why? No, there's not a chance you know why.
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  Speaker 2: Corey and I were el Conning in October and it
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  Speaker 2: was a big full moon that night, and I was
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  Speaker 2: talking about how I am very entertained by doctors and
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  Speaker 2: school teachers and nurses who say that like the hospital
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  Speaker 2: is the worse place to work on a full moon.
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  Speaker 2: Kids are to deal with on a full moon. And
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  Speaker 2: I said, all these studies have shown that that's not true,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm glad that they think that that's true. But
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  Speaker 2: there's multiple studies they are like, that is not the case.
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  Speaker 2: Which Corey said that he sleeps worse on a full moon,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, Corey, you fool, there is no chance
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  Speaker 2: that's the case. Earlier this week, I was having a
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  Speaker 2: tough time falling asleep, looked out the window, full moon,
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  Speaker 2: and so I'm like, it was Corey, right, So I
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  Speaker 2: googled it. There were like six to ten studies saying
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  Speaker 2: that that is the case. People a harder time falling
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  Speaker 2: asleep on a full moon and they wake up sooner
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  Speaker 2: on a full moon. They conducted these studies in South America,
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  Speaker 2: in the United States, in rural areas, in urban areas,
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  Speaker 2: in laboratories where you didn't even know like what the
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  Speaker 2: moon was doing that night, and it's like pretty consistently
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  Speaker 2: agreed upon by science that you sleep worse on a
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  Speaker 2: full moon. So Cory, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, that's all right.
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  Speaker 4: I hate to say I told you so, but I
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  Speaker 4: mean that was just my own life, you know, things
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  Speaker 4: I noticed in my life. I mean, there's like, what
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  Speaker 4: three nights in a row where it's.
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  Speaker 2: Almost full happened this week? Did you notice that you sleeped?
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  Speaker 2: Slept any worse?
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  Speaker 4: You know, my house has been in shambles. We had
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  Speaker 4: a little water leak, so we got fans and dehumidifiers
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  Speaker 4: going nuts. So actually I slept great. But yeah, typically
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  Speaker 4: full moon, like my kid doesn't sleep well. My dog's
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  Speaker 4: up roaming around, needs to go outside and howl at
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  Speaker 4: the moon or something. So yeah, it's typically a rough
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  Speaker 4: night to sleep, especially out camping. You know, it's a
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  Speaker 4: little bright.
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  Speaker 2: See if you ever noticed that full moons they messed
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 3: Then, just the fact that it's light out, especially like
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  Speaker 3: right now when there's snow cover, I just like so,
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  Speaker 3: I like, yeah, I like darkness when I sleep. So
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  Speaker 3: but I can't say that I've noticed a difference because
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  Speaker 3: of the full moon failure.
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  Speaker 2: Are your boys rowdier on a full moon? You think?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I've never noticed any sort of pattern
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 5: I know a lot of a few days astology people
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  Speaker 5: would would beg to differ a few days ago.
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  Speaker 2: Were they a real pain in your butt?
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  Speaker 5: You know, actually, for the first time, they they they
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  Speaker 5: weren't a pain in my butt for a while. So
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  Speaker 5: maybe it's like my kids are just the opposite, which
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  Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So Corey, going back to our Elk Camp conversation in October,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's all right, thank you for the apology.
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  Speaker 4: I yes, I wonder why that's the case. Must be gravity.
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  Speaker 2: One of the studies I saw said it's actually more
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  Speaker 2: rare in children than it affects their sleep, and so
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  Speaker 2: it's something that's been baked into us by the time
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  Speaker 2: we're adults. That just messes with you.
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  Speaker 4: Wild Wild world.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go to our first interview. Joining
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  Speaker 2: us on the line now is Joel Callander from Rock
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  Speaker 2: Island Auction and he's here to show us some legendary
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  Speaker 2: guns that are coming up for sale. Joel, Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, pleasure to be here. Thanks for having us on.
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  Speaker 2: First thing, Joel tell us about what Rock Island Auction is.
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  Speaker 1: The short way to put it is Rock Island Auction
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  Speaker 1: House is the number one auction house in the world
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  Speaker 1: for final historic firearms. A lot of people associate us
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  Speaker 1: with six and seven figure firearms. Those are what we're
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  Speaker 1: most known for. But I love con on shows like
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  Speaker 1: this and saying but there's guns for everybody. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you just want to something to go out to the field,
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  Speaker 1: you need a pre sixty four Winchester Model seventy.
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  Speaker 6: You know we're gonna have that.
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  Speaker 1: We're really catering to collectors at all levels, not just collectors,
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  Speaker 1: but people use these things too.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned six, six and seven figure guns. What's the
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  Speaker 2: most expensive firearm you've ever sold?
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  Speaker 1: That would be a pair of firearms that was in
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  Speaker 1: May twenty two, a pair of Remington New Models Russian Revolvers,
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  Speaker 1: mint condition and graved by one of the finest engravers
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  Speaker 1: of the century, L. D. Nimshki, and they were presented
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  Speaker 1: to Ulysses S. Grant Uh That pre sold for five
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  Speaker 1: point one eight dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Five Is that what you expected those
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  Speaker 2: guns to yield?
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  Speaker 1: No, we had a I believe a pre auction estimate
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  Speaker 1: between between one and three, so we had a seven
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  Speaker 1: figure estimate on it.
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  Speaker 6: We knew those were special and above and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Once you start adding those historic figures, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times there's you know, there's no precedent for that.
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  Speaker 6: There's no precedent on you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what what should are ulysses as grant revolver self
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  Speaker 1: for So when it comes to auction time, it's sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you get some fireworks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's worth what somebody will pay for it.
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  Speaker 2: How many guns a year do you guys move.
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  Speaker 6: Anymore?
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  Speaker 1: So we're changing a lot of auction formats, trying to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of new things on with online platforms.
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  Speaker 1: UH currently just about just about underd fifty thousand guns annually.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fifty thousand guns moving through Rock Island auction. Now
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  Speaker 2: I see that you're wearing some gloves today. I assume
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  Speaker 2: that that's so you can delicately handle some of the firearms
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  Speaker 2: that you're about to show us. And you've got some
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  Speaker 2: guns that are coming up for auction in February, what
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  Speaker 2: do you have to share with us?
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  Speaker 6: Sure?
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  Speaker 1: Well, these are in our February twenty first through twenty
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  Speaker 1: third Sporting Collector Firearms Auction of the full catalogs on
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  Speaker 1: our website, so people can do that. You don't need
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  Speaker 1: to be present, although we certainly encourage people to come.
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  Speaker 1: If you're in that Dallas Fort Worth area, come see
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  Speaker 1: the new facility that's in Bedford.
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  Speaker 6: We can talk about that later.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the ones, when you ask about the
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  Speaker 1: most expensive guns, one that was on our list for
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  Speaker 1: a long time was a Cult Walker. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: the very very first revolver with the Cult name actually
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  Speaker 1: on it. And we have one of those coming up
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  Speaker 1: in February. So it's a model eighteen forty seven. That's
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  Speaker 1: when Colt would have started using the Walkers absolute just
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  Speaker 1: as you maybe you can tell just a unit, just
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  Speaker 1: a unit of a revolver. I mean, the cylinder is
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  Speaker 1: multiple inches in diameter. They saw hard use. To see
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  Speaker 1: them in any condition is absolutely phenomenal. They're only one
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  Speaker 1: thousand made for a military contract, one hundred made for
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  Speaker 1: the commercial, for the commercial market, and they really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: our President Kevin Hogan likes to say, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: really gave Samuel Colt the keys to the men.
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  Speaker 6: They opened up doors for him.
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  Speaker 1: It was just the start of military contracts as well
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  Speaker 1: as getting, you know, introducing people on a more powerful
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  Speaker 1: scale to the to the repeater or to a repeating pistol.
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  Speaker 2: For our audience members who are listening to this show,
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  Speaker 2: i'd suggest you go over to YouTube and watch this
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  Speaker 2: one because Joel is handling these guns on the camera here,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get to see all these expensive guns.
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  Speaker 2: What was the original price of that gun when it sold?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the thousand that were sold to the US government,
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  Speaker 6: they sold for twenty five dollars a piece and an
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  Speaker 6: extra three dollars per revolver for accessories in acouterments.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, And what do you guys expect it to
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  Speaker 2: sell for next month?
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  Speaker 1: The Colt Walkers do set the top of the market.
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  Speaker 1: We've sold examples commercially and otherwise we're right around one
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  Speaker 1: point eight million. Those are fine condition, all original, but
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  Speaker 1: there's still examples out there, and like I mentioned, a
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  Speaker 1: range of conditions. I believe we have the estimate of
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  Speaker 1: this one twenty five to fifty thousand. It's a really
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  Speaker 1: good way for someone who, you know, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to spend the moon on a Colt Walker, things
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  Speaker 1: like this provide a really easy way to do it,
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  Speaker 1: to get an original, authentic you know, Texas Ranger History
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  Speaker 1: cult walker and their collection.
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  Speaker 2: That is a beast of a gun. I see somebody
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  Speaker 2: in the comments of the live chat saying that they
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  Speaker 2: would be the unlucky person who would put a dent
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  Speaker 2: in one of these things. Out of the fifty thousand
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  Speaker 2: guns that you guys sell a year, I imagine some accident
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  Speaker 2: has happened along the way right where somebody has fumbled
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  Speaker 2: a gun, and uh, you guys had a little accident there.
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  Speaker 1: Have it happened here too much? But again, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the guns that come to us, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: have our premiere auctions, which are kind of the world class.
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  Speaker 1: Just the best guns in the world are gonna be
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  Speaker 1: at our premiere auctions. Those you don't see too many
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  Speaker 1: on with the Sporting collector auctions or some of our
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  Speaker 1: other arms and accessories auctions. You know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of really good history in those that aren't in pristine condition.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've been used, they've been there, they've done that,
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  Speaker 1: they've seen combat or they've seen the firing.
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  Speaker 6: Range, so you know, some of them have some marks
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  Speaker 6: on it already.
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  Speaker 1: And some people prefer that they'd like a gun that's
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  Speaker 1: been there and done that instead of a safe queen
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  Speaker 1: or one that missed all the battles. You know, they
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  Speaker 1: want they want something that a Texas Ranger might have
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  Speaker 1: had in their holsters.
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  Speaker 6: So it's like I said, we we cater at all.
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  Speaker 2: Levels, all right, Joel what else do you have to
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  Speaker 2: show us today?
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  Speaker 1: Well, this next one's gonna be two hands. One of
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  Speaker 1: our most popular videos of all time is me and
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  Speaker 1: another gentleman here firing some rifles by J. D.
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  Speaker 6: Jones. JD.
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  Speaker 1: Jones invented like the Whisper line of cartridges, which of
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  Speaker 1: course gave rise to three hundred blackout, Famous handgun Hunter,
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  Speaker 1: Famous Wildcatter also did some rifle cartridges and rifle rounds,
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  Speaker 1: and this is one of them.
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  Speaker 6: This guy's chambered in seven hundred JD.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus wall Oh, doesn't break like that's ambitious.
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  Speaker 1: Giant fluted cylinder makes these things out of phoenix and
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  Speaker 1: just no ATF or it's ATF exempt, so you don't need.
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  Speaker 6: An ATF letter on a gun like this.
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  Speaker 1: The host cartridges actually made from a fifty b mg
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  Speaker 1: brass that's been necked out to accept that seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: caliber cartridge.
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  Speaker 3: How much is that thing weighed, Joel?
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  Speaker 6: Too much? Now, I mean this has got to be
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  Speaker 6: like thirty five pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Joel can hold that for the whole interview, because that
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  Speaker 2: that is quite the workout, and he can't even fit
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing in the frame of his screen. This
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  Speaker 2: is another beast of a firearm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna want to wait, frankly with a with
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  Speaker 1: a round like that. I did some napkin math and
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  Speaker 1: it's about twenty eight thousand foot pounds of force. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: like a thirty got six is generating twenty nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: foot pounds of force.
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  Speaker 2: And what what was this gun used for back in
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  Speaker 2: the day when when people are tilting these things around?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody nobody was that's the good use, like it has
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  Speaker 1: sling swivels on it, But I don't know for what
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  Speaker 1: nobody's going to want to carry this. You can see
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  Speaker 1: it is in this heavy bench ress stock. So it's
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  Speaker 1: really just testing the boundaries of cartridge, which is what
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  Speaker 1: Jad Jones is doing with the wildcatting and the and
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  Speaker 1: the handgun hunting. He's testing the boundaries for things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So target shooting, it's also made for watching your friends.
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  Speaker 6: Shoot it, not you a whole bunch of times. That's
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  Speaker 6: probably more entertaining as well.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh. The kind of guy who would haul that
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  Speaker 2: around in their back, I think that's exclusive to someone
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  Speaker 2: like Dug Duran. What what was the original price on
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  Speaker 2: that gun?
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  Speaker 6: That?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the original price, but it's pretty modern.
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  Speaker 1: So these the seven hundred JDJ that's just developed as
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  Speaker 1: recently as nineteen ninety five. So I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: original price on Our estimate for that weekend for the
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  Speaker 1: February auction will.
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  Speaker 6: Be fourteen thousand to twenty two five.
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  Speaker 1: These big bords are becoming more desirable all the time,
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  Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised to see it float a
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  Speaker 1: little higher than that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and that thing you could shoot it if you
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  Speaker 2: bought that, right that that's one that you take out
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  Speaker 2: to the range.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it comes with a bunch of solids, so it
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  Speaker 1: comes with copper solids and soft points as well as
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  Speaker 1: the dies. And you you would laugh if you saw
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  Speaker 1: the reloading dies for this. They're just they're just comically large.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, and what's what's the last gun you
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  Speaker 2: have to show us today?
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  Speaker 1: Last gun? Kind of a classic got ourselves as sharpsck.
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  Speaker 1: I'll flip it around. You can see the good side.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful Sharpeen seventy four. And if you love
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  Speaker 1: you know nineteenth century a mare hunting or even Civil
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  Speaker 1: war history, boy of Sharps is the way to go,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, pre Civil War history, Civil War, and in
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  Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies like this one.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you're come into those American bison hunts and
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  Speaker 6: all the hunting that was going on there. The sharps
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  Speaker 6: were extremely popular for that.
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  Speaker 1: They come in a variety of calibers and sizes and lengths,
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  Speaker 1: and they were going to configure them just about any
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  Speaker 1: way you wanted it. So they're popular for that reason,
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  Speaker 1: and you can great for collectors. So if you want
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  Speaker 1: to collect a variety of them, you can sure find them.
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  Speaker 2: And so when that gun was on the market in
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  Speaker 2: the eighteen seventies, do you know what the selling price was.
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  Speaker 6: A base model gun?
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  Speaker 1: So again, short barrel, short octagon barrel and no kind
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  Speaker 1: of extra features, right around thirty five bucks.
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  Speaker 2: And what do you think it's going to sell for
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  Speaker 2: next month?
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  Speaker 6: Let me check, yesterdait on that guy. We had at
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  Speaker 6: seventy five to ninety.
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  Speaker 2: Five hundred, okay, thirty five dollars.
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  Speaker 6: In the future.
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  Speaker 1: Not fancy stock, but we do have a half octagon
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  Speaker 1: half round barrel, not as many of those produced that
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  Speaker 1: the full round barrels or the rarest the least produced
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  Speaker 1: out of the model eighteen seventy four, But like I said,
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  Speaker 1: great model. It's you know, kind of got its fame
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  Speaker 1: with the Quickly Down Under movies. So that was in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy four. And in this same chambering as well.
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  Speaker 1: When the forty five to one to.
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  Speaker 2: Ten thirty five dollars gives me a little sticker shock
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  Speaker 2: for eighteen seventy four, I'd assume that thing would be
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  Speaker 2: half of that price. Yeah, Joel, if some listener is
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  Speaker 2: interested in one of these guns, how do they make
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  Speaker 2: a bid?
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  Speaker 6: Rock Island auction dot Com best way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: You can set it up where you just sat in
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  Speaker 1: a sealed bit, you tell us what your max is.
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  Speaker 1: You can also request just right on the website to
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  Speaker 1: get a phone call. You can bid live via phone
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  Speaker 1: in the auctions. Just click a button and one of
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  Speaker 1: our folks will call you, maybe five lots before the
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  Speaker 1: auction or before that lot comes up, and says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is Joel with Rock Island Auction Company.
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  Speaker 6: What the let's talk about this gun a little bit
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  Speaker 6: and what your plans are for it? So any number
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  Speaker 6: of ways a bit. I like to joke it just
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  Speaker 6: about We'll take bit anyway except for smoke signal.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's it is pretty painless. Rock Island Auction is
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  Speaker 2: actually where we bought our punt gun, and I've heard
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  Speaker 2: rumors in the office that it may get fired next month.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so if you're in the Gallatin Valley and you
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  Speaker 2: hear a big old boom, someday you'll know what was
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  Speaker 2: going on. Joel. I. I had saw on an email
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  Speaker 2: recently that there was a gun you were supposed to
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  Speaker 2: tell Phil about. That was once upon a time in
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  Speaker 2: your auction house.
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  Speaker 1: Phill we uh we set a Guinness Book World record
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  Speaker 1: for the most expensive movie prop firearm ever sold, and
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  Speaker 1: that was for a for the Han Solo DL forty
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  Speaker 1: four blaster.
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  Speaker 3: Oh nice. Over a couple of years, you beat me
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  Speaker 3: to the d L forty four.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna come in with that with that that
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  Speaker 5: that name. But no, yeah, that sounds that sounds great.
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  Speaker 5: Where where was I for this? How could I have
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  Speaker 5: gotten a notification?
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  Speaker 6: Question?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: We told a few people about it, but it went
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: for just over a million dollars.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: And you know what, I take it back, I take
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: it all back. You could have had that easy.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: A million dollars.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: Wow, biddings free. It's just the winning gets a little.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: That's a great point.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Joel. Uh, well, we're definitely gonna check
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: if you check in with you later this year to
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: see what other cool guns you guys have at the
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: auction house. Already looking forward to that next interview. Thanks
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: for joining us.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: Hey, pleasure be here. Thanks very much, Thanks Joel.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: All right, our next segment is the Migration Report.
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: When you can sun food and the tam sasso, then
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: you suffer, alright, Chrishan is the West.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: The Migration Report is where Matt McCormick gives it a
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: waterfowl hunting forecast for each flyway. Take it away, Matt.
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: Hey guys, I'm Matt McCormick was flying V and welcome
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: to the meat Eater Migration Report for January sixteenth, twenty
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: twenty five. It's been a little while since we've done
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: one of these, and for good reason. We've been hunting hard.
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: And as you can see here in the Pacific Flyway
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: of Montana, which is where I am right now, we
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: are all the way snowed in, iced up, and the
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: birds are pushing. We ended our season on January tenth,
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: and let me tell you it was a banger of
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: an ending. And those birds on the front ende of
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: this storm pushed all the way down into Utah down
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: to the Sack Valley. Everybody in the Pacific Flyway had
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: a hell of a season this year, So kudos to
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: everybody that was able to get out and do some
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: hunting in the Pacific Flyway. In the Central Flyway, some
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: seasons are starting to close, same with Mississippi. But as
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: we're pushing south, and if you've been paying attention, there
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: are birds pouring out to the north down to the
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: south on the front and back end of this recent storm.
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: I see you guys got some snow down there. Talk
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: to some guys. You guys are getting massive pushes of
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: birds as we dive into these last few weeks of
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: the season. So if you're looking to get out and
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: do some hunting, find a state that's open. Hit the
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: road with your buddies. If you're in one of those
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: states that's still open, good luck, have fun with these
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: last few weeks, because in about a month or so,
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: all of you, including myself, are gonna be wishing that
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: season was still open. We're gonna hit the road tomorrow,
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: go find some birds somewhere else because we just can't
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: handle it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And hey, it's hunting season.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: Boys, it's still here, So get in the truck, go
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: find birds and keep hunting.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Good luck and be safe. Now.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I believe that is the last migration report we'll have
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: for the year. But for more waterfalling content from Matt
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and Flying v be sure to go watch the show
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: on the Media YouTube channel. A new episode just dropped today,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Corey Seth. You boys take advantage of the final stretch
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: of the Montana season here.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: No, I did actually got out like for the first
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: time this year in the last week or so.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: How'd that go?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It was good, got a couple birds, not many. Weren't
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: taking it too serious, uh huh, but just something to
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: do on the weekend.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: What was the hunt like? You were just like waiting
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: down some stream.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Just local public stuff around here.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fancy, he's saving those ducks in for a special occasion.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: What are you going to do with them?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: We ate some of them already, Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: we usually don't let them things sit around too long.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: My wife loves them. So if we have ducks, were eating.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Them pretty fatty too, I'm sure.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're delicious.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback, Phil,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: what's the chat?
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: I have to say, Yeah, well, I see that doctor
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Randall and Steve and Ronella are both in the chat currently. Hey, gentlemen,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: if you have a question for the crew, feel free
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: to drop it in right now. Mitchell has a question
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: for Spencer. I mean, you can be as specific or
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: non specific as you like. But he says, this is
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: his first year hunting in South Dakota as a resident.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: What West River zone do you think I should try
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: putting in.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: For Well, if this is your first year, then I
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: assume that means you have zero points and you are
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: going to be quite limited, Mitchell, to draw like a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: pretty quality unit in western South Dakota as a resident,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you probably need three or four points. What I would
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: say is probably just avoid Gregory County. If this is
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: your first time going West River, you're probably going to
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: be drawn to that zone. When you look at a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: public landmap and see your draw odds that unit has
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: an incredibly low retention rate because people get fooled by
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the reasons I just said, and then they go there
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and they're super disappointed and they never go back again.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And you may think at that point, oh, that it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: what it's like to hunt western South Dakota. It's it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I would say, just plan on drawing some preference points,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: make a quality trip in like twenty twenty seven, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: for this first year in twenty twenty five, just don't
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: do Gregory County.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Sounds good.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I'm actually curious about this because I don't know how.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think any of you guys are much of
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: waterfowl people as far as I know. But Eric's asking,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: with duck season coming to a close and after that
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: migration report, does any of the gang have a good
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: waterfowl story from this season.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I hunted zero waterfowl.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: That's what I saw. Corey.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I'm too big of a skier to waterfowl hunt. When
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I get old al waterfowl hunt, that's all I always say.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I the best. Well. I photographed a waterfowl hunt this
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: year with Max Barta, and it was phenomenal. That dude
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is just a ducky dude, uh huh. And yeah, he
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: did a bunch of scouting and found this spot the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: spring pond. The ducks were flying flying two between there
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: and like a grain elevator that had some spilt grain
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: laying around. And yeah, Max knocked on some doors and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: it was just a phenomenal, Like, you know, a thousand
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: ducks over your head in the morning.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And you didn't have a gun in your hand.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: You had a Candra, I had a camera. Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: But they're amazing shots though.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh they're great as always.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see Jova and figure Roa.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Thoughts about passing off venison as something else when cooking
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: people like the joke that you can't tell the difference
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: between beef and venison. He says he's against it, but
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: his wife is not. Have you ever done this before?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't like openly misdirect someone and say it's beef,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But if I feel like someone would be hesitant to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: eat it, I maybe wouldn't volunteer. Yeah, it's venison. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's plenty of good ways to make venison
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: where it doesn't matter what kind of red meat it is,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: specifically with like a ground meat recipe, you can get
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: away with damn near or anything, and it doesn't matter
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that it came off of a white tail rather than
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: a cow.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I love having people over for dinner that like
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: are wishy washy about eating wild game and then just
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: like not telling them what it is, yeah, and then
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: then like them eating it and being like, oh, this
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: is delicious, and then I tell them yeah. Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: It blows my mind how folks would rather eat a
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Walmart cow steak versus a wild deer.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of them there are.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like the people who are against it, or
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: more so, they had a bad experience when they were
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a kid and like their dad cooked their venison steaks
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to a well done of course, no one's gonna like that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: If that's all the exposure you had for a while,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: just show them how dang good venison could be without
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: lying to them.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure why this is directed at you, Seth,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: but I'm curious, Seth. Can you eat the velvet from
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: deer antlers? Have you guys ever done that before?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know why that stretched towards me either, never
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: even thought about.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Deer eat it. I feel like there's some photos like
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: when they're shedding their velvet, Dey'll eat it. There was
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: also famously Ray Lewis, the linebacker Hall of Fame or
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: from the Baltimore Ravens. He got busted with I think
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: it was a banned substance at the time. If it
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't a bad banned substance, they were going to make
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it band. But it was a deer antler spray, which
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that was applied if it's oral
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: or if you'd like you have an inflame knee, so
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you spray it there. But interesting deer eat their own velvet. Yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: so I think I think you could do it too.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Didn't your wife kill a cactus buck covered in velvet?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah? She did.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: I wonder if that's what they're referring to.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: But you did, Maybe, No, we didn't. It's it's still
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: on the antlers.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: They always say you can't eat the antlers, but maybe.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Did you When you got that mounted? Did they strip
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: it off and reapply it or did they freeze drive?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I think they not freeze drive, but like flash freeze.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I I think they stripped it and reapplied it, huh,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: which I don't know how that works.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: But I also killed a velvet book. That one they
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: just like did a flash freeze on it, and it's
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: held real good. It doesn't smell at all. There was
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: one there was a couple of spots where it was
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: starting to peel a little bit, and I noticed that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: will peel like an extra eighth of an inch every
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: two years. Oh really without it ever being handled. So I imagine,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: you know, when I'm old and gray, that thing is
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: going to be peeling a little more. But right now
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's holding real well.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I one time in Pennsylvania was shed hunting and found
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: shed antler that was still in full velvet. It was
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: peeling off in places and it was cold outside. So
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I just like picked up was like, oh, this is cool,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and then I brought it in the house. Yeah, not
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: think like because I couldn't smell it. It was just like
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: frozen live flesh. Yeah, And it brought it in the
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: house and once it fell it out, it was just
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the most miserable smelling thing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine you handled the same way when Kelsey
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: killed her cactus buck. But when I killed my cactus buck,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: through the whole head in the freezer until I could
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: get it to the taxi permis.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we took it like right away.
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: So Steve says that question was directed at you, Seth,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: because it looks like he needs some help. I don't
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: know what that means.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, thanks is in the.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Chat today as well as Randall Williams. And I know
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Randall was saying something before our show today that the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Sharp's rifle plays a heavy role in their upcoming UH
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: mountain Man history project. Maybe Randall can tell you more
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: in the chat about that.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Oh sure, yeah, I'll do one more here, Doctor Randall
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Williams is asking about the stream athon. Great question, Randal.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: For those of you who didn't hear Phil Trivia, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: proposed a twenty four hour stream of red Dead Redemption
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: too to raise money for the Meat Eater Land Access
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: an initiative. Unfortunately, the person in charge of content is
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: on paternity leave right now, and I'm very disappointed he
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: didn't drop everything he was doing, including his baby, to
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: come tell me what the best idea that that was.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: But I'm still fighting for it. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: pitch it officially at the next round of pitches that
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: come through.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: So I've got faith. I have faith. Thank you for
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: that question, Randall.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Our next segment is one Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky?
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: We'll do you bunk, go ahead.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Make my cast.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: One minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Chester Floyd, who's on a frozen lake in Wisconsin and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: he's fishing for a donation to Muskie's Ink. Chester, Welcome
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: to the show.
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: Hello, it's windy as all heck out here.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It looks cold too, and I'm cold. Chester is the
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: first person in the history of one Minute Fishing to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: join us on the hard wall. Tell us about what
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you're after today, Chester.
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: Well, we're really after some bluegill, but they're not biting,
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: so we switched to baby little perch.
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: Okay, that's what I got here.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And how long have you been on the ice today?
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: About an hour?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: And how many fish have you caught? Uh?
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: Thirty?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so there's a chance. I thought the answer
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: was going to be three.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: How many beers have you drank?
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: Chest, none? It's a workday.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're in Wisconsin and you're fishing.
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: And Chester is a stake.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Ike famous from the eighteen inch wheel song Chester Stole
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Your Bike and the Sturgeon Spearing episode with Giannis's right.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he's a cookie guy.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, Chester has the camera very tight on
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: his face. You almost can't even see both of his ears.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's trying to hide his location. So nobody
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: goes out there and catches his baby little perch that
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: he's at.
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: When do you guys want to do this?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Chester's getting real cold. I imagine his fingers are getting frostben.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: First thing, Chester, tell us about what you're doing to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: try to catch one of these perch. What tactics we
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: use in looks.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Like it involves a live scope. Oh no, that's a camera.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's just down it two D sonar. Uh, we
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: don't really need it. Literally, we're just in weeds. And uh,
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: there's a little perch everywhere, so I hope they're there
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: right now.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And what were you dropping down there? A little waxy
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: worm or what waxworm?
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: And a little tongusten jig yep.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, Chester, hand that phone over to Ike and your
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: one minute of fishing starts as soon as that waxy
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: wor hits the water. Okay, okay, he's he's picking up
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: his rod. Oh, he's showing the camera that that is
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: bait for a little itty bitty fish. And uh, we're
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: ready We're ready, go for it, all right, the worm
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: is in the water. Your sixty seconds starts. Now.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I'm on the edge of my seat already.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: We've only had a few successful anglers in the history
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: of one minute fishing. Pat Durkin, Oh seconds, and he
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: pulled off a perch that I would say if I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: described it as four inches long, that would be generous.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Show us that fish. Chester, Yes, wow, that was thirteen seconds.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: My gosh, thirteen seconds. Chester caught a little perch to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: make a donation to muskies Ink. Well done, Chester, Thank you, guys.
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: I appreciate it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna eat that thing?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: He's allergic?
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: Oh it's back back. That works kind of catching.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Oh he's running. Oh he's running another what are you
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: running to? Chester?
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: Where bluegill?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry on the Okay, he's gonna show us the hot
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: bluegill bite the whole show.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Like, apologies to whatever I'm coming up.
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, this is like the size you know.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Uh huh perfect, you're keeping those I'm cold. Okay, all right,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: we will see you later.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Chester.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us congrants on getting that five
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars donation for Muski's inch.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Nice job, good work.
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: See you guys.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Man, it looked like it could have been twenty or
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: dirty below zero with the wind chill.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Chester makes it look colder, and I trust
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that it was very cold out there.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Sound cold.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Incredible stuff. Wow, there you go.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I think our third successful angler for one minute fishing.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: We had Pat Dirkin, we had Yannie in Louisiana, and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: now Chester Floyd joins the hall of fame.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Our next segment is Top threes three.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry this one is so.
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: Long's the other way, Phil, you should apologize for the
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: ones that are short.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it's a real treat.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: That's not the right thing. All right.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: This week we are ranking the three coolest places we've
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: ever camped. Corey, you go first, what's the third coolest
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: place you've ever camped?
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: The third coolest place I've ever camped would have to
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: be in the Bob Marshall Wilderness. I used to guide
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: back in the Bob. We'd run fishing pack trips. There
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: were six day pack trips. We joked that we were
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: professional campers back there because we were helping other folks
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: get back there obviously and get out successfully without getting hurt.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: That was our biggest goal in and out. I did
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: the math over eight years of running those trips, I
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: did three hundred and forty to three hundred and sixty
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: days back in the wilderness, camping and sleeping on the
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: ground under a tart if it was threatening rain. But yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: that's a picture of me when I was a cook
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: back there, an old chef. I would have been twenty
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: years old probably in that photo years.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: It looked to be about thirteen in that photo.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Couldn't even enjoy a beer yet.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: In that photo there's a pile of baby back ribs
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: and some looks like baked beans, beans bushes, baked beans
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: of course.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a photo of me with the river in
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: the background. I'm probably shmegan dishes in the river, Megan.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Have never heard that TERMO, Yeah, just giving it a
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: quick shmeg, okay.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Want just to get the food off?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Do you do you shmeg your dishes at home? That
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: exclusively when you're outside?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: No, I shmeg before they go on the dishwasher. Helps
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: your dishwasher outgs.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean I think I do, but I don't say
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it that I.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Don't have a dishwasher.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So Seth is a washer.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a shmeg. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, by
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: far top three.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Third coolest place was right here in Montana then, yep. Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And if seeing those cool guns that Joel was showing
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: us earlier wasn't enough to get you to come over
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to YouTube and watch, we're going to be showing you
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: pictures of the coolest places that we've ever camped as
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: well and maybe in some cases video. All right, seth,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: what's the third coolest place that you've ever camped?
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: So my third coolest place is along the Missouri River,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: also in Montana. This was the view basically right outside
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: my tent, but there's you can kind of see there
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: in the background there's an old homestead. I don't know
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the history of it, but would love to know, but
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: it this was like one of the most peaceful. It
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: was like in the spring, everything's green. It was like
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: one of the most peaceful camp spots I've ever slept.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: That yeah, looks like it. And it wasn't like a
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: designated camp spots, just like off a two track. Turkeys
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: were gobbling, coyotes are running around just outside of camp there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: It was just a cool spot to be in after
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: like a long hard winter in Montana and It's cool
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to just lay there at night just thinking about like
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Lewis and Clark came, like saw that country, the exact
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: country that I was sleeping in.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And so much of the Missouri River today looks very
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: different how it looked one hundred years ago or two
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: hundred years ago. But that part of the river that
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: looks like it did when Lewis and Clark came floating.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so how are the skiers at night? They were
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: not great?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really Yeah, pretty green in that photo.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of stage all right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The third coolest place I've ever camped is Death Valley
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: in California. It was March of twenty twenty three. That's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the hottest place in North America. It's the biggest national
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: park in the lower forty eight. Went there on a weekday,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: so it felt like we had the whole place to ourselves,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Me and my wife. That picture you're seeing there, that's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the sailing stones, and that's at the racetrack. Ply those
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: are rocks that move on their own. No human is
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: helping them create that giant skid mark behind it. It's
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: all about ice and water and wind that pushes these
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: things around. This dried lake bed and you can see
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I'm in shorts and a T shirt there. It was
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: blazing hot at that time, but you got like the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: full effect of being in the desert because by that
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: night it was freezing cold and there were no moon.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: There's no moon that night. The stars were super bright.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And a good barometer when you're camping and when you're
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: stargazing is if you can see the Seven Sisters, if
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: it's a good stargazing that night, if it's a good
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: stargazing night, And the Seven Sisters that night were so vivid.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I'd never seen anything like it. It felt like every
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: other time I'd seen the Seven Sisters in my life
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: that was wrong. And in Death Valley that night that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that was the correct way to view the Seven Sisters.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And there was no moon out, which which makes for
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: better stargazing. So Phil's got some more photos there. Yeah,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: that was that was you know, only a few hours after,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I was in the shorts and a T shirt at
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the racetrack plaia On. We were camping in the national park,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: which you can't do a lot of in places in
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: national parks where you're dispersed camping. Dispersed camping would be
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: what we were just talking about where you're not in
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: a designated camping spot Death Valley, because it's so big
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and remote, they allow you to do some some disperse camping.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And that's what we did do. Younique thing about that
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: trip to we were on a road trip. We were
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: on a seven day road trip, me and my wife,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and the next day we were going to Phoenix.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: From there.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: We were camping in Death Valley. The night before the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: clocks changed for daylight Savings, but we didn't have cell
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: signal for like twenty four hours, so the clocks changed
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: that night. We come out of the park. We're heading
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to Arizona. We're going to Phoenix, who does not recognize
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: daylight savings. Oh yeah. They're also crossing a time zone
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: going into Arizona. So my brain was totally in a
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: pretzel trying to figure out what time I was going
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to get to Phoenix. I didn't know if it was
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: going to be five PM or ten pm, just because
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: again daylight savings happened, didn't have cell service, crossing a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: time zone, going into a state that doesn't even do
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: daylight savings. It felt like a mess. Yeah, but we get.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: There for sure, all right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: The second coolest place you've ever camped, Corey.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Second coolest place I've ever camped would have to be
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: on Cumberland Island, off the coast of Georgia. In twenty thirteen,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: my wife and I booked a reservation. Cumberland Island is
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: part of the National Seashore National Park System, so only
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: three hundred people are allowed on the island a day
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: and x amount of people I forget how many are
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: to camp.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Is that a gator or a croc in your photo?
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's a gator and a wild horse wild
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: horse in the background, but as a kid from Montana
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: used to seeing the horses obviously, but seeing the gaters
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: and the teeny tiny little ticks on there. The Spanish
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: moss covering all.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: The trees was really cool.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of amazing American history on that island.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: I don't need to bore everybody with that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: How'd you get to the island?
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: You have to take a ferry yep from Saint Mary's, Georgia.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And hauling your own camping gear there yep.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: So we just had everything in our backpacks. Water, like
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: drinking water is tricky, so you want to carry around
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: some water. There's a couple spicots of fresh water. But
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: obviously you're along the ocean, so you gotta be careful
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: what you drink. So yeah, I highly recommend it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna steal Seth's question. How are the mosquitoes.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Mosquitos non existent? Yeah, we were there in April, late April,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: I think. But the ticks, I mean, I'm used to
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the bigger ticks we have here in Montana. Teeny tiny
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: little ticks like if you left your zipper rope and
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: on your tent long enough, they just crawl right in there.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: And otherwise it was amazing, Seth.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Second, coolest place you've ever camped my.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Number two, also in Montana. It's wasn't so much the place,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: it was just kind of what we saw that night.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: One of the nights while we were out there, came
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: this is a deer camp in November. Wow in Montana.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: But actually Chester and his brother Ike were here at
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: this the moment this photo was shot. But we were
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: kind of just sitting around the campfire at night and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: someone like, I don't know, he got up to take
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: a leak or something, and because you can't really see
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the sky too well, like around the campfire, you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: with Someone got up and was like, hey, I think
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I can see the Northern lights, and we all like
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: jumped up and went away from the fire and you
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: could just it was just like a beautiful northern lights show.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: That night out on the plains in eastern Montana is
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: just like one of my favorite places.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And it looks like you were successful. I see some
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: see some Ana.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we we. I think almost everyone filled their
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: tag on that trip.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful photo Seth is showing us you can see
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the northern lights and every star in the sky.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Is that the Seven Sisters I can see above to
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: the right of the.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I think it is. If you
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: don't know what the Seven Sisters is, go take a
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: look online about the Seven Sisters. And one you've you've
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: certainly seen it before, but maybe you didn't know what
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: you were looking at. But but again, that's a good
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: way to judge just how good the stargazing is. Is
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: how good you can see the Seven Sisters? And I
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: think Seth was just showing it off in his photo there.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, all right.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: The second coolest place I've ever camped was the Valley
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: of the Gods in Utah, And this was just this
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: last September. That day, I visited Monument Valley in Arizona.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: And where I'm sitting there on this highway is where
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Forrest Gump famously stopped running. That was where he had
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: He had his whole posse behind him, and he stood
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: right where I'm sitting and he said, I'm I'm pretty
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: tired now, And so that's where he delivered that line.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And that is the Monument Valley behind me, which is
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: in Arizona. But the place that I had camped was
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: in the value of the Gods, and that's part of
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the Bears Eers National Monument that you hear a lot
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: of talk about when it goes from one presidency did
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the next based on what they do to that bit
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of public lands where we camped. You need four wheel
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: drive to get there and a high clearance vehicle and
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: that keeps out, you know, a whole lot of folks.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And value of the Gods was so cool. I would
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: rank it over the Grand Canyon as far as just
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: like pretty places that I've seen. So getting to camp
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: there and be among all that was real special. And
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: again that is that's more dispersed camping. You don't need
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a reservation somewhere you just pull off on a road.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And opposite of when I camped in Death Valley. It
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: was a full moon that night and it just really
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: lit up the value of the gods, and so you
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: could see every butte in every mesa long after the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: sun went down. I took that photo and it'll probably
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: around midnight. Wow. Yeah, you can see everything that's happening
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: miles off in the distance. Cool, all right, Corey. The
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: coolest place you've ever camped, The.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Coolest place I've ever camped. It had to have been
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: in Iceland underneath the auf fet Ya Yokiyo volcano.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, it was erupting. Sounded like you said that correctly.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I hope I didn't, butcher do do it again? A
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: fet yeah Yokio.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Wow wow.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: But I mean when you camp under it, you better
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: better know the damn name of it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Is it erupting all the time.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I don't believe it's always erupting. In twenty ten, if
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: anybody remembers it, it erupted from March to June, I believe,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: off and on, and it disrupted the entire globe, like
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: flights from Europe through Asia and I think almost all
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: the way into the US were disrupted from the ash
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: cloud that came from it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: But I circumnavigated the island it's called the Ring Road
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Highway one for four weeks spent on the road, hitchhiking
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: my way around Iceland. It was an amazing time. Highly
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: recommend just visiting if you can just get there for
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: a long weekend. But I spent a month there and
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I hitchhiked for half the way and then the second
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: half hitchhiked.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I had heard that it was one of the friendliest
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: places in the world, so hitchhiking is a very easy
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: way to get around. I mean, there's the locals are amazing,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: lots of farmers just moving from town to town. So
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: it was actually very easy to get on highway one,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: stick out your thumb and make it to the next town.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: And then there's hostels everywhere, so it was really easy.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: There's a photo of me with most people know Dorito's
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: or most Americans with no Dorito's as cool Ranch in
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: the blue bag. But in Europe, or at least in Iceland,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming Europe, they're called cool American.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Cool American, just like Cory yeahs holding the bag of
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: cool American doritos.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: And then this is this is me in front of
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: the Folological Museum. To the Laymans. That's the Penis Museum
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: in Iceland. I highly recommend if you make it to
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: the island.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Did you wind up in any sketchy situations hitchhiking around
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: for a month?
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: No, it was so easy. Huh, I would do it again.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Did it make you think about picking people up on
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the side of the road back here in the States?
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Not in the States. No, But I rented a car
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: on the second half and then was able to camp
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: in that scene right underneath the volcano. I woke up
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: to it erupting. There was lightning, and it sounded like
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: cannons going off underneath.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: Wha.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: It was wild.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I didn't pick up any hitchhikers because I never saw any,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: but I you were willing totally all.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Right, seth see if you can top that. The coolest
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: place you've ever camped.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: My number one is in Alaska on a doll sheep
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: hunt with Steve and his brother Danny. We camped up
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: on this like finger ridge coming down from the main
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Ridge the one night and below us that's just a
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: huge That whole valley is just a huge glacier. And
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the the cool thing about camping by that glacier, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: there was there was a couple of nights where we
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: camp closer to it than this.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: But so is that water behind you or that's the glacier, that's.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Just ice damn. Yeah, that glacier made the craziest noises
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: all night long. Oh really, just like big pieces sloughing off,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: smacking the valley floor and just hit like popping and
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: just making crazy like moaning noises. Is wild.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Anyone who's ice fish knows what Seth is talking about,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: or you know those sorts of noises that might wig
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you out if you're new to ice fishing. I can't
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: imagine what a glacier sounds like.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that it was cool. And then this photo Phil,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: if you zoom in, there's two white dots right behind Steve. There.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: We woke up the one morning there's some doll sheep
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: below us. Not legal, but it was cool to wake
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: up to that. And then the next photo there, Phil,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: is just the valley. This is from from where we camped,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: looking up valley.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, I don't think I can beat either
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: one of those. But the coolest place I've ever camped
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: was off Cape Flattery in Washington, and Cape Flattery is
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the northwesternmost part of the Lower forty eight. If you
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: look at a map and you see that little point
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that's way on the edge of Washington's that's Cap Flattery.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: And from there you're standing on a cliff that's like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: you know, a two hundred and seventy degree view around you.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: You were just on the edge of the United States.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So we visited that, and then we couldn't camp there
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: because that's a reservation. But we did camp down the road,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and on our way out of the reservation, stopped in
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: some small town and bought some smoked salmon from someone's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: smoke shed. And then this is where I pulled my
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: truck right onto the beach and camped there nice and
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: just listened to the waves all night. And I wish
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I could like bring that home with me. I've since
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: then like tried to listen to waves crashing on spot
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: or something just not the same yea. So that that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: was probably the coolest spot I've ever cammed. And then
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you could sit there and watch the ships come in
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: at night and try to figure out, Like, what does
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: that thing caring? Oh, that's a cruise ship, or like
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that one you know is three times as long as
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: any boat I've ever seen in my life. That that
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: was fun to watch. All Right, That is the end
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: of the top threes and we have one interview left
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: for today. Joining us on the line next is Phil Musket,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: the president of the Association of Licensed Battlefield Guides. Phil
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: is here to talk about being a guide at Gettysburg,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: which is one of the most competitive public lands jobs
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: in America. Phil, welcome to the show.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: Hey, how you doing.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: We're doing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: First thing, Phil, explain to us why being a guide
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: at Gettysburg is such a coveted job.
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: Well, this is the mecca of the American Civil War.
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: So we get thousands of visits. We get about nine
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: hundred thousand visitors a year, which is down from the
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: two million we used to get. But people come here
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: to learn, and people come here and they hear the
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: stories of the men who fought here, and it's works
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: of fire in them. And these people continue to come
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: back and they find out about guiding and they hey,
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: I can do that. So they want to aspire to
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: be a licensed battlefield guide and spend the rest of
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: their lives on the battlefield telling the stories of those
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: men who fought here.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: And to be a guide there, you have to pass
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: a very thorough test. I read a quote recently in
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: a Wall Street Journal article from a lawyer saying that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: the Gettysburg Guide test was harder than the Bar exam.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Will you walk us through what the testing process is?
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, sure, will so. I've also heard it as hard
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: as the Harvard entrance exam. But it's a four tier process,
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: four step process. The first step is a written exam,
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: which is fill in the blanks, recognizing pictures and describe,
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: you know, writing out what that is. That's the first
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: part of the test. That's three hours. In part two
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: is essays, and you've got five essay choices and you've
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: got to write three. You've got three hours to get
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: that done too. You're taking this exam this past when
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: we just did, we had one hundred and fifty three
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: fifty two people taking the test. As of today, which
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: is after the exam we have, we only advanced twenty
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: out of those one hundred and fifty yes.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: And how many of those twenty sorry, Phil, how many
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: of those twenty one? Maybe five five of them.
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: Because the second step is a panel interview, because yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: it's great, you know all that knowledge, but you got
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: to get it from here to here to where people
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: can understand it, so that weeds out a lot of
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: people as well. To Step three is what they call
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: the field practicum. They you spend three days working with
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: a mentor who is a guide, and you will write
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: up your two hour tet or your two hour tour
• 51:31
  Speaker 9: that you're going to give to people when they visit.
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: You give that to the mentor and practice that. They
• 51:38
  Speaker 9: also drop you on a place in the battlefield, i e.
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: Little roundtop and tell us what happened here. You got
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: five minutes and see how well you do. And if
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: you pass that, then you get into the oral examination,
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: which is you could go around with your mentor all
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: right until they fail you you're ready, and then you
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: schedule with the National Park Service superintendent and you get
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: two shots to go around the battlefield. It's twenty five
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: square miles and you got two hours and fifteen minutes
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: to tell the story. So all of that minutia you
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: learned past tier one is out the window because you
• 52:27
  Speaker 9: can't fit all that in. So you've got to tailor
• 52:29
  Speaker 9: it down to where it's still a story where you're
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: telling the basics. You get two shots at that. If
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: you pass that, you become a guide, and if you
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: fail that, you start all over again.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: And another important detail from that Wall Street Journal article
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: was it said that the test hadn't been offered in
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: seven years. So it's not like five people per year
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: past this thing. It's five people almost once a decade
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: past this like the test to be a guy to Gettysburg.
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: Now, back when I passed the exam back in twenty ten,
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: they were doing it every two years, and they were
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: on that schedule until twenty seventeen, and then for whatever reason,
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: the Park Service did not do the exam until we
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: got down. We're down to one hundred and thirty guides.
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: When I started out, we had one hundred and fifty six,
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: so we're losing numbers and we need new blood. So
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: we finally got this new exam, and we're hoping we
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: get more than five. And we're hoping the Association of
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: Bottleful Guys, we're hoping that this will start on another
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: regular two to three year cycle like it used to
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: be to replace the average dage of the guide force
• 53:48
  Speaker 9: right now is seventy two. WHOA, I'm keeping it down.
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: I'm fifty seven.
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: I'm keeping it that.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my part with. Soh yeah, it's go ahead
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: with the stakes being so high. Have you ever heard
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: of somebody cheating?
• 54:05
  Speaker 9: I have not heard of anybody physically cheating and being
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: escorted out. I'm I'm sure it's happened, but I'm not
• 54:14
  Speaker 9: familiar with it. What I have witnessed is, you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 9: sitting at the people sitting at the table and they're
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: looking over now if they're writing the same thing down
• 54:22
  Speaker 9: the person you know, I don't know, but that's the
• 54:27
  Speaker 9: limit of what I've seen as cheating. Because not only
• 54:31
  Speaker 9: are you you're trying to become a guide, but you
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: on this exam.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: So what are what are some examples feel of people
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: uprooting their lives for a chance to take this test.
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: Well, we've got people from all over the country that
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: are currently guides, and uh one of our guides sees
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: a lawyer out the same Forrancisco, and when he was
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: studying to be a guide, he would fly in, he'd
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: do his reading out there and his walking the battlefield.
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: When he'd come here here and hanging out with friends
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: and spending the days on the battlefield. And once he
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: passed the test and became a guide. He now he
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: still works in San Francisco and he'll fly out here
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: and spend a month or two out here doing tours,
• 55:24
  Speaker 9: then go back to San frian and work. We've got
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: other guides. We had an Ohio state trooper for a while.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: Basically he'd drive in on the weekends, do some tours,
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: go back do his job. So I you know, another
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: example I thought of yesterday was we used to have
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: a nurse who worked down in Tampa, Florida, and he
• 55:51
  Speaker 9: would come up here for a month straight. And at
• 55:54
  Speaker 9: that time, we had quotas, so we had to do
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: so many tours a year, and he would do his
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: ninety tours in thirty days. So he was doing cukoo
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: tours all at once. And then he goes back to
• 56:07
  Speaker 9: Florida and we're he used all of his vacation to
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: come here and give a tour.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Give those it must yeah, it must be a pretty
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: rewarding gig for how bad these people want to do.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: But what what's your favorite part of the job.
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: Well, my favorite part of the job is sharing the stories. Uh,
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: you know, taking people out on the field, spending two
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: hours with them, that's the bare minimum tour so uh.
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: And putting people in places where important events happened. Yeah.
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: I enjoy that. People with ancestors coming here and being
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: able to take those ancestry, those descendants to where their
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: ancestor was fought, where he might have been killed, where
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: he might have been capt sure, things like that, that
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: is what you know, I enjoy doing. And even with
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: our school groups, we have school groups come in. We
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: jokingly sometimes called March California Month because we get a
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: whole bunch of California kids coming in. We get to
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: tell these kids the stories and maybe that'll spark some
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: interest in their lives and that'll bring the next generation
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: into guiding and the Civil War and history of America.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And Gettysburg is like six thousand acres, all of which
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: is managed by the Park Service. What can you tell
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: us about the wildlife and conservation work that takes place there?
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: Well, what we got here, We've got a big deer population,
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: which they do every year. They'll have a big deer
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: hunt here. Now, what they do is only federal employees
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: are authorized to participate so they come out here and
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: they then out the herd because it damages the vegetation
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: around here and the local farmers' crops. But then they
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: take all of the meat that they get and they
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: donate it to the shelters here in the south central
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: Pennsylvania area, so it goes to a good cause. Our
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: current controversy on the battlefield deals with beavers. We've got
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: some beaver dams in front of Little Round Top, which
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: was a marshy area during the battle on July first,
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: second third, eighteen sixty three. But now we got these
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: little ice skating ranks now this time of year, so
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: we're dealing with that and the park Service they can't
• 58:44
  Speaker 9: do anything to remove the beavers until they start to
• 58:48
  Speaker 9: damage the asset, and they've done some mitigations which have worked,
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: so the beavers are staying, much to the chagrin of
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: many historians. We've got a bald eagle that's seen around
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: here periodically. We got a whole bunch of hawks, which
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: they're fun to watch too. Watch them dive bomb onto
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: a field mouse or something that's really amazing. Occasionally we
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: get a black bear in here coming down off South Mountain,
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: which y'all would call a hill, but that type of thing.
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: The park maintains the tree lines as best they can
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: to what it was at the time of the battle,
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: so they're constantly working on keeping that and then the
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: landscape correct, even down to the fence rails and fence
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: lines that were here during the battle. So all of
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: that stuff they do.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Last question, Phil, is your last name
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: really Musket?
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: It really is. That's what my daddy gave me all
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: those years ago. And I have actually had a guy
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: on a bus argue with me and I had to
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: pull out military IV and show him. I mean, he
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: was just adamant. I had people that have made bets
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: and at the end of the tour they've settled their
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: bet by asking that question. Oh yeah, I get it
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: all the time. I get it all the time. We
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: got a Chris Army here. We got a Steve Slaughter
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: as well too.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, you used to have an Andy Custer, but
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: she got.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: Married, Oh Andy donaheo, okay, but we had a Custer
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: for a while as well too.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: There's some there's some desty involved, and maybe that helps
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: you pass the test at the end when your last
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: name is Musket or Custer or oh.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you know, at least you got to get
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: one question, right. Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Well, Phil, thank you for guiding us through what it
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: takes to be a guide, in joining us on media radio.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: Okay, and in anytime you're out, check out Gettysburg tours
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: Guide Gettysburg Tour Guides dot org.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: All right, well we're gonna do that.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: We'll get your tour guide and get you out on
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: the battlefields.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Phil Seth, you grew up I don't know how far
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: from Gettysburg, but in the same state you ever been.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I uh went when I started college. I started.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I got my forestery degree from penn State mont Alto,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: which is a branch campus to Penn State, which that's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: it used to be the Pennsvan Pennsylvania Forest Academy, which
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: was started by Gifford Pinchot. But anyway, that college is
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: not far from Gettysburg. And like he mentioned South Mountain,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: the mayor coming off coming down from South Mountain. We
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: used to do all sorts of like forestry classes and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: stuff on South Mountain. So I know the area well.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: And I've only actually been to Gettysburg, like a handful
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: of times, like I think three, three or four times
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: something like that. But when I was younger in elementary school,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: my grandparents took me down there and we did like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: a like a motor tour like we bought uh it
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: was at the time. It was a cassette TAPA and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: we put that in the in the cassette player in
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: the car and drive around the park and it kind
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: of like told you, like all the history.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I assumed you were there every weekend. You
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: took a field trip there every year.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, did not, but it's I recommend it.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: It's like it's a really cool place. You can still
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: see like bullet holes and walls and cannon ball holes
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: in buildings and stuff. It's really cool.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I grew up in South Dakota.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I've only been in Mount Rushmore once, so same thing.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, same thing.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of this week's show, Phil,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: let's get some final feedback from the chat.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: I think people were just asking Steven Randall questions live
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: in the chat, so we don't have a lot, but
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: we've got a few. Jude says that he shot his
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: first deer while listening to Media Radio Live. Hell yeah, thanks,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: we learned a lot. I don't think it was today,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: but I would guess recently.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, So congrats Jude, Jude.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Let's see wapity Woods, says Spencer. Is it?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: Is it specifically Hams Special Light that you love so much?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: I had a six pack of original Hams up in Rogers, Minnesota.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: Curious your thoughts of Ham's Original Ham's Heavy.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: My origin story with Ham Special Light. It was the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: cheapest beer that you could buy at High V. It
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: was eleven ninety nine for a thirty pack. So when I'm,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: you know, an underage high schooler and I got to send, like,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the college kids I know there
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: to buy me. I got a Summon twelve dollars bill
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: and that'll get me a whole thirty pack of Ham
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Special Light. The other thing is Hams has a reputation
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: of just not tasting good. Ham Special Light was like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: a classic American light log or like a like a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Bush light or a Coors Light's tasting thing. But because
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: it said Ham's on the can, nobody would touch it.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: When you go to a party, like I didn't have
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: to worry about my thirty rack of Ham Special Light
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: walking Away Nice. So it was it was the cheapest beer.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: It was the beer that was least likely to be stolen.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: So that that was my origin story of Ham Special Light.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: It's not really about the taste. It's just like the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: nostalgia of it that it's it's just what I've always tried.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: And the light is discontinued now right, discontinued.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and I'm hoarding my I'm into my third
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: to last case.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Colin asked what you're switching to when your Special Light
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: is all gone?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not loyal to anybody. So I might
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: be sitting at the bar one time and attentions light.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Hit him up on a slide into his DM Miller.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Light does not matter.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: A question for Seth from Eric, what is your favorite
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: kind of hunt to film photograph?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of my favorite photographs come from Southeast Alaska,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: which oh we got when it comes out. You can
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: go sit next to Seth and you want to.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Seth was just talking about his favorite hunts to capture
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: through a camera.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was saying some of my favorite one
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: of my favorite places photographs Southeast Alaska because everything about
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: it's cool and pretty, but the big Alaska hunts like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: that dull sheep hunt. The photos I showed earlier and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: then the move stuff is always cool to photograph.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Steve, you have any live feedback from today's show.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: It seems like it's going great.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, boys are running over time? Yeah, yeah, Phil. Phil
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: had mentioned that Steve and Randall were in the chat.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: If you go back and watch this when it's not live,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: you'll get to see the whole chat replay. So if
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: you're curious what Randal and Steve were talking about for
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: the last hour, you'll just get to read their comments
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: there on YouTube.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Cool. Well, just we are over time.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: So last question, because now that Steve walked into the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: room as well, Henry's asking, how's that beaver season coming along?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Seth and Steve, you can I haven't said a beaver
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: trap yet, all right, I've got.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: A couple, but I haven't gotten it really. I haven't
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: gotten real hardcore into it yet.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: And I mean I got a few.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: I got a few.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: I like trapping beaver in the spring when they're realactive. Yeah,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of fun. I'll get out there in
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: the spring.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing, before we get out of here. The
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Me Theater Movie Club returns next week. Randall and Crewe
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: will be reviewing the nineteen eighty eight movie The Bear,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: which you can stream on Amazon to be oor Pluto.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Make sure you watch it before the next episode if
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: you want to join in on the discussion. All right,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: thanks for listen, Thanks for watching. We'll see you guys
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: back here next week.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: By Suckers