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Old Hospital on College Hill - Tonya & Charlie · Trapped Souls Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, welcome TS Paranormal Productions.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: I am here with Tanya from Old Hospital on College Hill.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_04: Hello, everyone.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are kind of a new venue compared to most.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_04: We've been this is our well, we didn't open until 21.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: We bought it in 20.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_04: So we're going into our fifth year, kind of.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, we're still kind of considered the new kids on the blog in the paranormal world, I think.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I think, but in four years, you guys have gotten your name out pretty good.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_04: We we've tried.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: We've tried really hard.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what show it was a few years ago that went on there.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's what caught my eye.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, uh place kind of looks creepy.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go there.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm so glad that it caught your eye.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_04: It was probably destination fear most likely on the travel channel.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_04: Could have been the um they were the ones who gave us, well, they're project fear now, but they gave us our launch.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, they aired a show.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we were their season two finale in December of 2020, and then we opened up the doors to the old hospital in February of 21.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: So it kind of gave it was I couldn't have asked for a better opening, honestly.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: It kind of helped us.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but was not prepared for, you know, um, even though they warned me, um, I don't think I was quite prepared for all of the phone calls and uh the visitors and stuff, but I loved it, welcomed it with open arms, so much so that I ended up quitting my full-time job to run the hospital full-time.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: So oh, nice.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of weird because I've had a couple owners on already because I wanted my podcast, I just did one of the groups, like we got to respect the people, you that buy these places so we could go do it.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it kind of amazed me what was the reason behind you buying the hospital, you and Charlie.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, I get asked that quite a lot, and um honestly, if I if I'm if I'm being truthful with you, I think it was fate.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I was actually born in that hospital, as you probably already know.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_04: So um I'm familiar with that hospital and have been for all of my life.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, now if you'd have told me 10 years ago I was probably gonna be the owner of it, I would probably laugh at you then.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: But it always kind of, if it, if this makes any sense at all, I've always kind of been drawn to the hospital as well as the nurses college that sets beside of it.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but just I happened to be in the right place at the right time when I found out that it was coming up for sale.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: And um I, you know, I just had it in my heart to at least try because I know a lot of people in our area will buy a property and they will just let it either rot and just use it as a tax write-off, or they will uh purchase it and just either tear it down for a parking lot or you know, just on it not to do anything with it.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_04: And it's too beautiful of a building, both of them, honestly, and too much history there um to just see let go.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I wanted to be able not only preserve my history, but to preserve the city of Williamson and a lot of our area's history as well.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I kind of threw my name in the uh hat.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: There were several people bidding on it, and um lo and behold, I just said a little prayer and I was like, God, this is meant to be, you know, I guess it'll happen.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: And uh I got a phone call a couple of days later saying you're the highest bidder.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_04: So yay! I I was nervous and I was excited, and I'm like, what do I do now?
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_04: So you know, but I I truly believe everything happens for a reason, and I was um very thankful because it's really opened up a lot of doors for me.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_04: The hospital is a special building for me.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, like I said, I was born there, and then I also lost two of my grandparents who I never met in that building as well.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_04: So to be able to go back into the building that where your life started, it's uh it's a pretty amazing feeling, and knowing that you have loved ones that have been through there as well.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: So that's kind of it in a nutshell.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_04: So my mom thought I was crazy for doing it, but um, you know, uh I just I really felt like it was something that I needed to do.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, hospitals are you talking about like paranormal feel, like you said, is where life starts for a lot of people, is where life ends for a lot of people, too.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: And also a lot of people get saved there, too.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: So it's all in between.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: So hospitals are always intriguing when you look in the whole factor of it.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I didn't we didn't get the drive around Williamson.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: We were there in June.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: So was it was a coal mining town?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yes, pretty much for the most part.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_04: Most of West Virginia, not all of it, but especially on our end of West Virginia, are coal mining towns.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, that was our biggest.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: That and railroad um were probably our two biggest industries at the time, you know, to have a hospital built of that nature.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: And you're talking about the hospital opened in the 20s.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_04: So 1928, that was a massive hospital back in its day.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: And the two doctors, you know, that that led that charge to build that, um, because the first one originally burnt down, it was a huge undertaking.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: And they ended up spending, I think it was like 175,000 building that hospital in the 20s, which I think if I'm not good at math, but that would be like three million today, you know, and it played an important part because coal mines was what kind of led our area.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: And um, a lot of coal miners went through that hospital, um, treated there, um, amputated, they lost body parts.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, they walked through those halls um just like the railroaders did, and and other patients as well.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_04: So it was a big industry in our area.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: Sadly, we know we don't we have a few mines still open, but not anything like we did back in those days.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was just interested because when we're talking to Charlie, and I'm like, yeah, paranormal group, you know, the dream is to own a paranormal building.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what we want to do.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why in a coal mining town?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: But then, you know, he said he was born there too.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, he was.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: You guys have a history, and I think it's really uh unbelievable because you bought that, I guess, with your heart and trying to keep Williamson, I guess, kind of on the map, you know.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, I just the building itself to me and my my original goal, honestly, um, I was just gonna have it as a part-time job and just do tours and stuff.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I was really focused more on the history of it because the history behind the hospital is a really cool story.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's not very many 97-year-old hospitals still around, and if they are, they're not in as good a shape as the one we have.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: You know, uh my love for history and Charlie's love for history as well.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the paranormal we knew about, but I'll I'm not gonna say that that was our primary focus at the at the time, um, until destination fear kind of entered our lives and that opened the gates for that.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: But um preserving history is is a big thing for us.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_04: And and in my opinion, and I know a lot of uh paranormal investigators they may disagree with me, um, but I think you have to understand the place that you're at and the history of where you're at to understand what spirits are there, who's still there, and those kind of things.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_04: So um, to me, they kind of go hand in hand, and that was really important for us.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're a paranormal investigator and you're not a semi-history buff, I don't think you're a paranormal investigator.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's my opinion.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody I've talked to that does paranormal field loves history, so yeah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_04: Most I we talk to do.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there's a few that you know, they're they're they don't really care much about the history of it, they just love to come in there and kind of go into it blind, they don't want to know anything about it, and I totally respect that too.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we kind of cater to the teams, but um, to me, it's very fascinating because, like you were saying earlier, you know, with hospitals, uh, people were born there, people passed away there, people were saved there.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there's so much history trapped in those walls that you just you don't know who's there, how many people went through those doors, what you're looking for.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I think knowing some of the history of, you know, where the people came from, who were the doctors that were there, the nurses, and the age, you know, what it went through, and all those, you know, you know, from the Great Depression to the diseases that hit the area.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_04: And we get stories all the time from people that tell us a little bit about, you know, well, you know, when scarlet fever hit the area, this is what happened and how many people passed away.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_04: And that's very fascinating because then you kind of key it up to the paranormal, you know, world and then the spirits that you come in contact with, and it and it really helps me understand who's in there a little bit better.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm the one like when we went down there, my group, um I didn't do the walkthrough with Charlie, everybody else did.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't want to be influenced, you know, the first time, but 99.9% of the time when I go into a place, I go back now.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: After my first time, I get some names, I get some answers, then I dig into the history, then I come back.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I always tell owners you're getting a two for one with me.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I go in there, I get something coming back.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: So we want you to come back, we want everybody to come back.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that that was, you know, one of our main goals.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, we Charlie and I both we love meeting people and we love history and we love sharing the story of the old hospital.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, if nothing else, we just wanted our paranormal teams to feel like it was home away from home, and um, regardless of how much evidence you caught or didn't catch, you know, to feel like you'd want to come back and love the hospital as much as we do and investigate it more.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_04: So that was our number one goal from the beginning is just for to share the the history and the love that we have for and hope and hope people would want to come back and and feel the same, basically.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are keeping it real.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what are you guys' plans restoration-wise?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, we want to keep it as true to history as possible, so um really not much restoration other than um keeping, you know, keeping a roof on it and making sure no further damage um, you know, appears to it or happens to it.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um the only tweaking we may do to it, and if you remember when you first walked in the lobby area, and Charlie probably told you, um, we we would love to turn that into like a permanent gift shop slash museum.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because uh we have a lot of people that come in looking for souvenirs or you know, they want to see some artifacts from the 20s or you know, just old medical equipment or something like that.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: And we have that, but we have nowhere to safely display it right now.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: So we're hoping, you know, and and and every bit of money that we get goes back into the hospital somehow.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, we've got the nurses college, that beautiful building that sets right beside of it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_04: So much history there, but it's missing a roof.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: So I can't let anybody in it until we at least put a roof over it to make it a little bit more secure.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: So um, long-term goals, you know, gift shop and uh museum in that lobby area, you know, and just maintain it, clean it up a little bit more, um, and then focus on the nurses college.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we kind of got distracted um a couple of years ago by the only hotel we had in our small city closed.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: So um we ended up fixing up Dr.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: Conley's house, and then we purchased, you know, we wasn't looking to, but the house that's that's almost right beside of the hospital.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the gentleman that owned it came up to us and said, Hey, I don't want this anymore.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Would you guys be interested in buying it?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, I didn't want to go in debt anymore, and that I already was, but it was one of those things, like, how can you not?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's right there, and um, you know, we felt really bad for our paranormal teams because the closest hotel to us is a good 30 miles away, um, some even longer.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: So, depending on what you like to say in.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: So, because we we border the state of Kentucky and we don't, you know, we don't have any, we have some Airbnbs and things like that.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: So um it was really making us sad to see our paranormal teams leave at four, five, six o'clock in the morning and having to drive, you know, 40 minutes or so to a hotel and then, you know, just basically get to stay there for three hours before they had to leave.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: So we decided we took a chance and um have those two houses because you could literally walk down the steps and be at Dr.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Conley's or the cottage.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, even if you just want a nap for you know, four or five hours and take a quick shower before you hit the road, you won't have to drive and not be sleepy or just drain because the hospital can drain you, it can wear you out.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_04: So, um, you know, for the safety of the paranormal teams, um, we just we threw that in.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: So that kind of put a wrench in what we focused on the nurses college putting a roof on it.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I think it was worth it, and I think it's helped some of our teams, you know, um get some rest to be able to enjoy it.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're seeing that a little bit more.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Adam from Mass Seminary kind of buying a house because hotel prices just went through the roof.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: So he ended up buying a house, turned to like Airbnb for his guest.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can run it out.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's I mean, I've seen pictures of it, it looks beautiful.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: It looks beautiful, yeah.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, I mean, you guys are doing it right, those houses right there.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_04: So it just kind of made sense for us because Dr.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: Conley, you know, he was one of the original co-founders of the hospital, and we thought, well, how neat would it be to be able to stay in one of the original co-founders' home?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_04: And then what we were kind of seeing after we started written it, um, the houses had paranormal activity, so we're very um interested in getting more research uh on that.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Paranormal Quest just did an investigation strictly on Dr.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_04: Conley's house alone, and that uh they just released that on YouTube, and I watched it the other day, and um it was pretty you know wild just to think, you know, it is it's because it's so close to the hospital, you know, what what's causing it to be, you know, there.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_04: So both homes has had paranormal activity, so it's very um intriguing to us, and we're trying to get to the bottom of it as to why you know that little hill up there would have so much paranormal activity.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: Is it strictly related to the hospital or is there something more?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about your place a little bit.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Nursing college.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: That that building looks awesome, even though you know it's a little dismantled or whatever, you know.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: But it does look cool.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was look, we didn't know that was there until we pulled up.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what if this is part of it?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you're looking inside, like, yeah, you can't go in there.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: But when Charlie said that's your plan is to be able to get that up and running, yes, to be part of it.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's kind of cool.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: So then you go, you can give from the hospital to their nursing cops, can't you?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: From the basement.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, they have it, they you could at one time.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: There used to be an underground tunnel that connected it, but when they I guess they transformed the hospital into a clinic, they kind of cemented up, so there's cinder blocks and stuff like that.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: So you can't now.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you can go out the back door and go outside, but there's no like the tunnels not there anymore, which is really sad because I would have loved that.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's weird.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: They um the hospital stopped being a hospital, they converted it into a clinic, and it looked like before they stopped, they were in the process of changing all of that.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: If you remember in the basement, that back area uh used to be where the morgue was and the and the kitchen and all the cafeteria and all that stuff, but um we're not sure we don't have the floor plans, so we're not sure what they were gonna do with it, but they just you know blocked it all up, unfortunately.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you guys have any plans?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is just me being a paranormal investigator of like making a morgue type of a morgue again.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: We would love to.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I know you probably saw the body cooler that was on the first floor.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, that was actually shoved over into the nurse's college.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, that was in the basement, it was where the morgue was.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but when they were working on it as a clinic, they pushed everything over into the nurse's college.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: So Charlie and a couple of guys and his truck pulled that big sucker out.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's huge and got it, but couldn't get it back to the basement because I'm guessing maybe the tunnels were still there.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know how they got it over there.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but we've got it on the first floor right now.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: We're trying to figure out how in the world to get it to the basement because it's too big to put on that elevator and it's too heavy and too big to carry down those steps.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: So the only other way we have to be able to do it is to take it apart, dismantle it, and put it back together again, which is an option.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I would absolutely love to put it back the way that it was back in its time.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when we were there, it was kind of like not a closet, but just shoved in a room.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: We really couldn't get to it.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, but that's probably one of my the funniest parts of Project Fear is when Dakota got stuck in there.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And he dropped his radio.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: That, yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: He too, you know, we got to spend we got to spend more time with them when they came back as Project Fear.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so he was telling us about it.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I had, you know, of course, we hadn't seen the episode yet, but you know, Chelsea just he had she had to one-up him because you know, he's always doing stuff to her, so it was only fair.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, he was brave enough to get into that uh body cooler, and you you gotta remember that body cooler held a lot.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: It probably at one time it could probably hold up to four bodies.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: So to go in there alone and actually shut the door.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Now I've had people lay in it with the door open, you know, but they shut the door on him so he he couldn't get it open.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know if you tried to lift it or open it, those are heavy doors.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_04: So um I almost had like a panic attack watching him because you know that I was so nervous for him because everybody was gone, nobody dropped the walkie-talkie.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, Man, he's stuck there for a while.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: Chelsea ain't gonna come get him out.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was funny because we weren't in there, but I mean it was.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I I would probably after a few minutes, I'd probably be freaking out because you know, I I'm not claustrophobic, but I think I would start to be because you're I think your brain starts to play tricks with you, and um, you know, and then if you're picking up any paranormal activity at all on top of it, that's like a double Emmy.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, my heart went out to him.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that was a good episode.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love that episode.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_04: They did they did a great job.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_04: They um uh we were really um honored when they we knew that they um that their show had gone canceled, unfortunately.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_04: And they had called us, I think it was Alex that called us and um they let us know and they said, you know, we're gonna continue doing what we do because we love what we do and we love our fans and we love our fan base and we want to, but we're gonna continue it on YouTube.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: And I said, I think that's great.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_04: And they said, Well, we love the hospital so much, we would like to come back there and start as project fear.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I think they went to Sweet Springs first, and then we were their second episode, but what an honor it was for them to contact us again.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, because they gave us our launch.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_04: So we're very grateful for Dakota and Chelsea and Alex and all of them because um, you know, they're great.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: And and I love that they don't, they're just who they are, they don't try to fake anything, they don't put on.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it they're just great people.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, we'll have to get a drink of water.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm sorry.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um besides Project Fear, Destiny Sphere, have you had any other any other groups come through, like TV show wise?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, well, we've had if people are familiar with Nick Groff, Nick Groff's been up there twice.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, first time he came a couple years ago with his show Death Walker, and he was filming that that wasn't a very emotional episode for me because he came in contact with my grandmother.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: So that was uh pretty emotional.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it was a great episode for me.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if anybody else liked it, but and then um he surprised us by joining um, I think they're called a twins haunting, and he came back and did a really awesome investigation.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I can't wait for that one to come out.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_04: They had some crazy stuff happen to them, um, both of them, the twins, and I think he brought his wife with him uh this time, Tessa, and they're awesome.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: So we've had the fortune of meeting them, and um, we got one coming out.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't really know how much I can and can't say.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think it's gonna be in October, but I'm not sure.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: But it's gonna be streamed on uh a platform called Stream Beacon TV that has uh Dave Schroeder and Shane Pittman and Cindy, if you remember them from the holzerfiles.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_04: And um, yeah, they they were there not too long ago.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm letting you guys know.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh uh Shane and them will probably kill me, Josh will probably kill me, but um the old hospital will be one of the shows.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I think it's called Paranormal Mysteries, is what they're calling it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: But it's yeah, I like watching Cindy work.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she does a good job.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, this this one will blow you away.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: It it I I I probably look like a big goofball because you know they talk to you and stuff.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: And um what they found, I really honestly um had to really sit and think about it.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: And my mouth was kind of like the whole time they were talking.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: So they probably are thinking this chick don't know what she's doing, you know.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_04: So um it was it was amazing to watch all three of them work.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I didn't get to, you know, I wasn't there for the whole investigation, of course.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I actually didn't even get to meet Cindy until after their investigation.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_04: We did a zoo like a Zoom call, like we're doing, and um they kind of discussed their findings with me and things like that.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: So it was um it's pretty amazing.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: I can't wait for you guys to watch it, but it I think it's only on Stream Beacon TV.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll look it up.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh so let's talk about hauntings here.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's a big thing in a paranormal field.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for me, um, you guys started um when I was down there in June, it felt like something was there during a walkthrough.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: My whole group is like because I did a solo after that through the whole place, and they're like, Oh, you're gonna be like scared, you're gonna and I felt stuff there, but never really got scared, scared, you know.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: Guys, sorry, but you see somebody walk in there or freak out at all.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do you guys see an uptick in like paranormal because you have more people coming in now than you have asking questions?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_04: You think the spirits are kind of gone or um I think they're I think they're definitely ramping it up, and it's funny that they are right before Halloween.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: So we're and we're gonna be open Halloween night.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm interested to see how that night goes.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but to answer your question, yes, I think it has.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um the funny thing is, um, you know, and I get asked this a lot, everybody wants to know what.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: Stop.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: My puppies are going crazy.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, everybody wants to know like which floor is the most active, and um it's hard to tell you that because there are certain times where you know the basement is the most active, and then there are times where fourth floor is the most active.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: So it you know, here lately it's been the basement, just to be honest, it's the basement, yes.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we we had some good activity on the fourth floor, um, nothing really freaky, but some good responses with stuff.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I did a solo on a second floor, and there's a couple rooms on a second floor that felt pretty off to me.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: The second floor, in my opinion, if you were to ask me which floor is probably the most consistent as far as getting activity, the second floor for sure.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's where I had my first experience was the second floor, and that's where I was born.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's the floor I was born on.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's it right there.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was that one room with all like people scraping on walls or something, like I don't know what they put, but there's like dolls and like mannequins in there on the ground, and I didn't see that because I usually don't carry a flashlight, you know.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I do carry a flashlight.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like I like the dark, so I went in there and I'm doing Facebook Live, and it I actually felt like something grabbed my leg.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I knew there was stuff in there.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, if this mannequin grabbed my leg, I'm gonna be pretty upset here.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I actually turned my flashlight on.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was still far away from me.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: So well, it's funny that you mentioned that because you do you remember the room with the CPR dummies in it, the one across the hall from it?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's where I had my first experience.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_04: I was just it was at 8 15 in the morning, and I was walking down that hallway, and I passed that door, and I was almost to where you were at, where the CPR dummy room was or is, and um as plain as day is a male's voice, and he just says, Hey, and it was so I mean, it startled me because I was the only one in the building, Charlie wasn't there.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: We'd had a team that stayed the night before, and they had two men in their group.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, my mind just reverted to, oh, the team's still here.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I picked, I had my phone and I dropped it because it startled me.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: So, and it wasn't an angry voice, it wasn't, I think he just wanted my attention.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I started texting with the group and I said, Hey, are you guys still in the building?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_04: And they said, No, Tanya, we left about an hour ago, but we need to tell you that while we were packing up our stuff on the second floor, because that's where Base Camp is, if you remember, and um they said we kept picking up a male's voice, and I was like, Oh, thank you.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: I wish you'd have like gave me the heads up before I came in here.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I, you know, again, my mind starts thinking, oh man, maybe somebody broke in here.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: I was not thinking paranormal because it's eight o'clock in the morning, and um, that was just me not being educated enough to know about the paranormal.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: And long story short, I searched the whole hospital, didn't find anyone, and then I go home and I start thinking, and I'm like, Tony, you're so silly.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's eight o'clock in the morning, eight fifteen.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_04: Winter hospitals usually more off active, probably, in my opinion.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: I would say morning time, because you know, you got doctors making their rounds, nurses doing shift changes, um, people are probably coming in to visit their loved ones.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, just so much going on, ER going on, you know, and I I just totally blew it.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I could have a do-over.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: Now I've heard him again.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_04: It sounds like the same voice on the fourth floor, but I can't say for sure that it was.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: But boy, if I had to do that all over again.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: But that second floor, there's something special about it.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_04: And if you remember um when Destination Fear first showed up, that's we had given them what history we knew of the hospital to help them with their show and their investigation.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: The one floor that I didn't have a lot on was the second floor, and that was the floor that was the most active for them all night long.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: And that's why I say it's probably the most consistent floor of all the floors in the hospital, because whether it's a door shutting or taps or a heavy feeling or something, there's something on that second floor that even I can't I can't explain.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: But um for me, it's a little emotional because the nursery is still there to know that I was in that nursery at one point in time in the 70s, long time ago.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it you know, it it's and maybe that's why it feels heavy for me, but I get a I get a lot of activity on that floor.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's a second floor.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's the more consistent feeling on the other floor.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um we were on the fourth floor, down one of the halls has like the two steps that goes to the outside.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so I was sitting on there doing Estes, and I never had this happen before.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: It sounded like 15 spirits trying to talk to me at the same time.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like I actually had to turn take my headphones off and today, like one at a time here.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can't take this.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was pretty ridiculous.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, felt like someone's walking around me the whole time, and my team was down at the end of the hallway asking questions.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, fourth floor, second floor, pretty active.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't get really anything in the basement, but again, I'll be back soon.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, um, the fourth floor, you know, is pretty interesting for me.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I've not had anything uh really heavy happen to me there, just little things.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_04: But when I go back and I I look at the history of the fourth floor, um, you know, of all the floors that you have to explore, it is the smallest one.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: Only because when they converted the hospital into a clinic, um, I believe it was around 88, um, we lost a couple of um, you know, the sides they had to put to bring it up to code, they had to put fire escapes, uh stairs and stuff on it.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_04: So we lost some of the operating rooms and things like that that would have been there.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: Now the observation rooms are still there.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you if you remember the rooms that had the two-way window, um, so like nurses would go in and watch it and the operations would be performed on the other side.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it could be because if you if you were getting so many sounds all at once, you know, usually in an operating room, and and if you were in or near the observation rooms, you probably had 10 to 12 nurses sitting there watching, and then you had people doing operations, you know, in the in the room.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: So there was probably a lot of people.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_04: Some of the best shadow figures have been captured on the fourth floor.
• 30:44
  unknown: Okay.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: So it makes sense because that's where the operating rooms were initially.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um, now that changed when it became a clinic, uh, so it doesn't really feel like that right now when you walk through it, but the observation rooms are very interesting for me because when I started looking at the history of it and talking to people that used to work there or that had loved ones that work there, not only would they let um nurses go in and watch through that window, but they would let loved ones, like certain close family members come in there.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, back in the 20s and 30s, they did things a lot different that you couldn't do nowadays.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: But I couldn't imagine being in there with nurses or just being in there and watching my mom or my daughter or somebody being operated on that has to be a heavy feeling because what if something bad really happened, or what if they passed away on that table and you witnessed it all?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, again, back then they they did all kinds of things that you couldn't do nowadays.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_04: So um I would love, I wish I could go back and talk to some of those people that witnessed that.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'd love to know what they felt.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: So it is kind of a heavy feeling, and it's really you know funny to us because the first two years we were open, we we always try to talk to our paranormal teams after they do their investigation.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: And um most of the ones that were getting activity, it was either basement, first floor, or second floor.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I have to say, second floor was probably the most consistent out of all of them.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_04: Third and fourth floor was so quiet the first two years we were open, you didn't get much at all, if anything.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: And then all of a sudden it was like bam, it flipped, and the third and fourth floor started becoming active, and the second uh or the basement and the first floor was really quiet.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_04: So, um, you know, you it's just one of those things with paranormal, you just never know which floors is gonna give you the most activity or or which ones are gonna come out and talk to you.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm a big believer in when you start to have a lot of investigates come through asking a lot of questions, you're gonna draw other spirits into from the outside.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you might have some over at the nursing college, like, uh, they're never gonna put this roof on.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going over to the hospital to talk to these people, you know.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, you might have coal miners that maybe died in a coal accident, you know, they want to hear their story out, so they're gonna come to the hospital because that's where people are asking questions.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: No one's going to the mine asking questions.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: So just in the history of Williamson itself, you're probably drawing more spirits up there.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And that's fine.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're a paranormal building, so and I don't nothing's evil there.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: They just want their they want to be heard, just like everybody else.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I can truthfully say, because I I get asked that a lot, I have never felt anything that a lot of people would say demonic or you know evil, but I have had um feelings of people being angry or not wanting you there.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, you know, it's a hospital, so I can understand that.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody loves hospitals.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you don't want to be there, so I can understand a spirit being angry and not wanting you there, or maybe they're tired of me, you know, being there.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the heaviest feeling I tend to get is usually in the basement.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I and my grant that's where my grandmother passed away, so that could be part of it too.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: But there are times that I know I'm not wanted down there, so like I know I'll go maybe a couple of steps in there, and then either a door will shut or I just get this really heavy feeling like girl, it's it's not, you know, go away.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: So I respect that.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I just turn it and I go back upstairs and I wait and you know, go back when I feel like it's it's okay.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: But um yeah, I think it draws and I think they kind of feed off you to see, you know, what you're gonna do.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think they're just as curious about us as we are about them.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean it's kind of neat that you know you feel something unwanted, you leave.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're there all the time, too.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yes.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some paranormal investigators like myself, if I feel unwanted or just a heavy feeling, I'm gonna go a little farther in.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I will ask, do you want me here?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't want me here, light this up.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: It lights up.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna respect yeah, not that I'm scared, but I'm gonna yeah, respect the spirits too.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, right, right.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I mean, there's it's kind of neat that because you're the I mean, thinking about your you're walking through there all the time.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I think that one of the like the best example I could give, like it was Halloween, I think last year, and um, well, it was the month of October.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure if it was Halloween night, but you know, if you were in the basement, so you know how it's laid out, you know, at the end of the hallway, you've got those two x-ray rooms.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: And over the course of the hospital's history, those were the only two rooms that never changed, and they were for they were always x-ray rooms.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, they might not have been utilized a lot, but they were x-ray rooms.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_04: So we did a thing for a Halloween and uh wasn't a walk-through haunted house like we're doing this year, but we did like escape floors and we had some props set up in one of the uh x-ray rooms.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: If you're going down the hallway, it was the one to your right.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so we were, it was like midnight, and we were walking the halls, making sure none of our volunteers were playing hide and go seek and staying in there, you know, and making sure none of the customers were, you know, or people that walk through there hiding and stuff.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: And as we get to the end and we're kind of facing that that little space in between the x-ray rooms, the door um of the x-ray room uh to your right, and you and you gotta remember it's on carpet, it's a heavy leaded door, and it has a door stop.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: And as many times as I have been in there, it has never opened.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's all I mean is never shut, it has always been open, so just slowly, just slow, it starts shutting, and I'm like, What?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a swinging door.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_04: So the first thing we thought, oh, it's one of our volunteers messing with this.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_04: So Charlie had a flashlight and he shined it behind the door to see if anybody was behind it messing around with it.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: There was nobody there, so we had um a really lifelike body prop in there.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, she looks so lifelike.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of people really thought she was real, but she's not.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_04: But um, she was laying on a gurney, and you know, we slowly opened it again, pushed it back on the doorstop.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_04: It stayed for about a second, and as soon as Charlie sat back to where I was, it started slowly shutting again.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: We did that, I'd say at least three times, and finally something just clicked with me, and I I I was like, you know, he it started shot, and he just looked at me, he's like, What do what do we do?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: And I said, you know, I think they think they're in there working on her, they're trying to help this because this prop, she looks like she her story was she was killed in a motorcycle accident, so she's she's missing a leg, she's she from here up, she looks completely normal, real life-like body.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, but the rest of her is beaten up pretty bad.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, if they were doing x-rays on her, what what do they usually tell you that you can't stay in a room with somebody that's doing an x-ray?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: I I've been with my loved ones that's had to go out of x-rays.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: They tell you to step out and wait on them, you know, because of the radiation.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: I really think and I feel that they were telling us, you know, not in a rude way, but just hey, we're busy working.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_04: You guys are gonna have to stay out here until we're done.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_04: So um I told Charlie, I said, let it go.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_04: Just let the door shut, and then we'll come back tomorrow and see if it's still shut.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: So we did.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: We left it there, uh, left that poor prop in there, and then we came back the next day.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: The door was open, completely open.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_04: Still back, it went back on its stop.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: And again, you'd have to see this door because it's not there's no excuse.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: I can't give any reason for it because and it's a heavy door, so it'd take a good amount of force to shut that door, and it just kept shutting.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_04: So I finally just backed away and I was like, okay, okay, we're gonna leave.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: You can continue working, we'll we'll come back.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: And we came back the next day and it was open.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_04: Never had that happen as long as I had owned that building and been down there so many times.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: That door has always been open.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: I've never seen it do that.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: What if I mean that what if that's just like residual energy?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wonder if that will happen again the same day that you guys found it though, you know, when it happened.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I always tell people that because they're like, Oh, I see a shadow walking down my hallway or whatever.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Well, write down the time, write down the day and the date, because it could be something that happens every day.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we do we need to do better with that because we're just I guess we're we're in there so much, we don't really we're so used to it now, we don't really think about it.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because I have a lot of people ask me, why don't you go live when you're in there?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: I you know, I don't even think about it sometimes.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_04: But um I I just I guess I I don't want to say I'm not immune to it at all, but I've gotten used to it.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't um scare me as much as it did in the beginning because I really where I didn't know a lot about the field, and I, you know, I had to lean on some other people to learn more about um spirits and the paranormal um field, I just I didn't want to mess anything up or make any of them angry because that's the last thing I wanted to do.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I, you know, like I said, as long as I've owned it, you know, like I said, there's been times, yes, I felt like there have been angry spirits, but nothing that I felt like was demonic or you know, truly evil or trying to take over me or the hospital or anything like that.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I do feel that there are times that the hospital will tell you, she stay away from me.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want you in here.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, out of respect for them, you know, and I'm also I also thank them, you know, because they um don't have to make themselves known.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: They don't have to talk to anybody, um, but they do.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it's um, you know, I I appreciate that as an owner and as a former person that was, you know, like my life started there.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_04: And to know that there are people, you know, wanting to communicate with you and spirits that are wanting to talk to you, um, I respect that.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like I have to give back to them.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: And I very much appreciate what they do and and how they try to communicate with us, even you know, even if it's as little as lighting up a REM pod or uh a tap on the wall or whatever, um, you know, to me it's it's something.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, sometimes I get overwhelmed when I'm and for me, I don't know how it was with you and your group, but certain floors bring certain uh feelings for me.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, some floors are heavier than others, like we talked about a little bit earlier.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, sometimes I I can go on the floor and I I can just feel the overwhelming sense of how many people passed away on this floor, and um knowing it's where my grandmother took her last breath or um where I took my first breath or whatever, and sometimes it's so overwhelming that I can't control my emotions, like it it totally takes over me.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, for example, one time if you get to watch the Nick Groff episode, he was interviewing me in the basement, and I've been interviewed quite a bit since we opened.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I didn't have any problems um, you know, being interviewed, and I don't even remember now what the gist of the interview was, but we were talking about the hospital, we were talking about the basement.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: I may have talked about my grandma, um, but he kept telling me that he was feeling something touching his neck, and um, you know, and it finally stopped with him, and then all of a sudden I was standing in that doorway that leads like to where the the morgue and the cafe kitchen and all that stuff was that that entryway.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_04: I kid you not, I was standing there and he was kind of standing on the other side of me.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_04: It was like something I don't I don't want to say go through me because that's not right, but it just um it's like something came over me and I could not control, I just started crying.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_04: And when I say crying, I mean like huge crocodile tears.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like I couldn't control it, it was uncontrollable solving.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I and I just I told him, I said, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to take a break.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I and and the only way I can describe it, and even to him, because Nick, I I think Nick and he only had like one camera guy with him, um, it was like I felt like a lot, and don't ask me why, but I felt like a lot of children that had passed away there had just came in and just set on my chest and was like, you know, please help us, or please I'm here.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I just start crying.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I bet I cried for 10 minutes.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I he probably cut 15 minutes of that conversation out because I couldn't, you probably couldn't understand a word I was saying.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: But I had never that was the first time I ever had that really, it was so heavy, I had a hard time breathing.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it was just one of them wanting me to know what they felt when they were down there or how much suffering they did.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_04: Because, you know, the basement when the hospital first opened, it was actually the emergency room.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_04: It was trauma.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_04: It was that's where the incinerator is.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the basement has a lot of dark history.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: And I would say, probably between that and the fourth floor, the basement's probably where most of the deaths probably occurred.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_04: And that's just a guess.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know for sure.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_04: I don't have any stats to back that up.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_04: But just knowing what was there, and you know, it was emergency room, it was huge.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, and then you had the incinerator, amputation, uh, all of that kind of stuff, surgery.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, I'm sure there were a lot of deaths there.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_04: So I I got overwhelmed and just with this sadness that I had to take about a 10-minute break before I could get myself together.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: Listen, I I know Nick probably thought it was the question that he asked me.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_04: I felt so stupid, you know, um, because I, you know, I'm I'm 52 years old.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: I need to get my act together.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I've done interviews before, I've been in the basement a hundred times.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: And for whatever reason, at that when he asked me whatever question it was at that exact moment, I I couldn't even talk.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like literally.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, he was patient and his camera guy was patient.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't stop non-stop crocodile tears, um, crying.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: And I just told him, I said, I'm gonna have to take him in.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_04: And I just went, you know, the basement steps.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: I just went and sat down on the steps and just had to cry it out, basically.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: You know, a lot of people say women are just oversensitive anyway, you know.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: I I get that too, but um, you know, I've been down there so many times, and I can truthfully say that was the first time that ever happened to me.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh touching.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_04: It I'll never forget it.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: I I can remember to this day exactly how I felt.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_04: You know, um, I always love it when children come and visit the hospital because I think the hospital enjoys having kids there.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I do worry at times what they feel, what they see, you know, because we do uh tours and we have a lot of schools and stuff that come there.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_04: Kids are always fascinated with um, of course, they have to focus on history for educational purpose, but we always like to throw in a spooky story or two in there, um, you know, true stories that you can read online in the newspapers.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_04: But um I can tell you, like I can tell when kids have been in the hospital and like a paranormal team will come in right behind them for an overnight investigation, the energy is a little bit different than if they haven't been in there.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_04: And that that fascinates me because it's almost like the ch the hospital, you know, the kids are just you know so excited to have more kids back in there again and to talk to them or let them be seen.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it's just um and then the paranormal group that comes in behind them gets to you know see that a little bit.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: So it's really interesting the way different um locations respond to children.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's very interesting to me.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, also think about like a lot of old people in hospitals who visits them, grandkids.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, probably makes them happy.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh kids with just different energy bringing I can't say this day and age, but back in the day, kids made people smile.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, yes, they did, and you know, back in those days, you know, you didn't have all the social media and the internet and stuff to to take their attention away.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, they would go to hospitals more and visit loved ones, or you know, it it was just you know, here you could sit on your front porch and walk to your neighbors or 10 houses down the road and you knew somebody and you didn't feel threatened or anything, and you did more interaction.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of sad in today's times because I feel like, and even with my own daughter, I feel like that one one-on-one connection is kind of slowly going away, you know, and and I hope that you know, families can kind of bring that back, and you know, but cell phones and internet and all that is kind of taken, and there's nothing wrong with it, but you have some that that don't even want to leave their homes at times because they want to stay on it, you know.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: So um it really makes me happy that that's why you know we do allow kids up to a certain age to investigate with their parents and stuff, because you know, not only are they getting into the field and learning more about it and carrying on, but it's bonding time for you all, you know.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um you said you and your daughter were there.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's something that you two can share and um you know she can enjoy and maybe go on later in life and and carry on and do as well.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: So it's really now my daughter, she don't really get into it that much.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: She's she was born in October and the child doesn't love Halloween.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, you know, I'm her mom.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_04: And she said she's in college right now, she'll be 21 in October, so she's not little anymore.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: But um, she, you know, she's like, Mom, everywhere I go, people are always asking me if you're the one that has that hospital.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: She's like, I don't want to talk about it.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, you don't have to, you don't have to.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_04: So some kids are totally different, you know.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_04: But I I love the way our hospital responds to them because I think they love having children, have they bring such a different energy than some adults do.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I truly believe that whatever location you're in, they respond to however you are.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_04: And um, if you come in there with the negativity or you're rude or you're mean or you're you know disrespectful, the hospital's gonna let you know that.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_04: But if you come in there and you're open-minded and children's hearts are always, you know, they're so pure and they're just so loving, and you know, they might be mean every now and then, but you know, for the most part, they're you know, they're just innocent kids.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: The hospital responds to that very uh very positively, and I and I love that.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_04: So um it's always I love watching, you know, how they are, and the kids, you know, they will probably tell you they don't like history, but when we do history tours with them, they listen because I think they find it fascinating.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, history in school nowadays, my daughter's telling me it's non-existent.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's that's pretty bad.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I always tell my kids history repeats itself.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know what happened, it's gonna happen again.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the way my daughter looks at it too.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, me and my daughter plan on doing next summer a lot more together.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's awesome.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: Just me and her.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if she wants to get into social media type of stuff, like start making little videos here and there, but she enjoys it a lot.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, with her being in school and sports, it's hard right now.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I try to get out as much as I can.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we did the big trip.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you're part of our big trip.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's awesome.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she she will remember that, and I I think that's what makes it really special.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: She's you know, she's 15 right now, going on 16, and you know she's not gonna want to hang out with you yet.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll try to make some memory with her right now.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's a tough age.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's a teenager years are tough.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_04: Mine's getting ready to be 21, and then she's she's been it's so funny because she called me the other night, and my daughter plays sports too.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: She plays softball for college, for a college, and um, she had set out a year because she thought you know she just needed to take some time off.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_04: She's been playing since she was like five, and um she went back to college and they talked her to coming back and playing.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_04: And um, she called me the other day and she was like, Mom, I'm so sorry, my puppies.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she called me the other night and she said, Um she said, Mom, now I understand why you take so much ibuprofen.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I said, What are you talking about?
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_04: And she said, I just got back from softball practice and she said my body don't move like it did, but it was 16, so it cracked me up.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, Welcome to adulthood, honey.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's not the same anymore.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just wait till the 40s, it's it gets worse.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I told her, like, I said, wait, it just keeps getting better and better.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_04: We always, you know, when we when um somebody calls or messages or emails or however they contact us, you know, I always spend time with them because I tell them, I'm like, listen, West Virginia is blessed with a lot of paranormal locations, and I give them because you know I I I've seen a lot of drama with paranormal locations and people, and I don't get into that.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we love everybody, we want everybody to re you know come and and visit us.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_04: So we we don't we try to stay out of that, but um, you know, we want everybody when you come, we share the love, we don't try to keep you, you know, oh don't go there, you don't want to go there.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_04: And we know people that have done that, and I I don't understand that, I really don't, because I think you know, there's enough room in this world for everybody, especially in the paranormal field.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but again, I'm a newbie, so I'm probably still learning.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, if they're coming, uh and I and I'll get calls like this from time to time.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, it's it's mine and my wife's anniversary, and she really wants to um visit all the spooky places in West Virginia, what do you recommend?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, or you know, we're doing a family vacation and we're hitting Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_04: What places do you recommend?
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: And without hesitation, you know, I will tell them, hey, if you're gonna be in the Louisville area, you need to go to Waverly.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_04: If you're gonna be in Weston, you need to see Trans Allegheny.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if you're gonna be close to Williamson, you need to come and see us.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and we're all within three to five hours of all these locations, you know, Lake Shawnee, um, Sweet Springs when it was open, Moundsville Penitentiary, you know, all these places um that I think have so much history and rich with history, um, that I think they would really enjoy spending time together and uh going and visiting these places.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_04: So we even have places here I recommend um that are not really what I would say well known, but if you're into like his history or spooky stories or just you know weird things, I guess.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, I don't know any other way to say.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, our county is full of that because Mingo County, West Virginia is one of our nicknames Bloody Mingo.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we didn't get that name for no reason, you know.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_04: So if you want to come here and see some like weird stuff, or maybe some off-the-wall stuff, or if you're into the paranormal or spooky, um, I can send you to some of the creepiest cemeteries around.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the Dignus Tunnel is a place I highly recommend paranormal teams to visit.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the history behind it's very sad, but it's very interesting.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I always recommend people do it.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, we don't mind at all to tell people and families, and and even we even get some like that does like guys' trips, girls' trips, you know, hey, while you're here, you know, uh just like the other day we had somebody come and they said, Well, can you tell us what what else is close by?
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I said, Well, if you're coming in this weekend, uh the Mothman uh museum is just about two hours from us and they're having a Mothman festival.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if you don't mind being in a huge crowd, like a 40,000 people, but um, we send them down there because you know there's so much to see, and if you're really into that, you know, it just it just adds more, you know, to your trip.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_04: So we love plugging other places.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, do you see that?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like that's a big topic right now, like paraunity in uh the groups.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, is there like a paraunity in the owners?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're always gonna have some, like you said.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I I don't know for sure on our end because like I said, we we try me and Charlie stay so busy, I really don't uh have time for it anyway.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_04: But I haven't really seen a whole lot as far as locations go.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: I know you're always gonna have a few that try to um, and I think Adam does this pretty well.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_04: You always have a few that try to bring you down or try to say you're you know, this, that, or one thing or another.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I you know I try to respect all locations, no matter how big or small, because in the end, you know, there's not just one place that's got paranormal activity, it's all over the world.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: So um, why would you not help each other out and recommend that they visit?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_04: So um I it just makes me sad when I see the drama and and some teams fighting with each other over this, that, and the things because it I mean to me it's just kind of silly.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_04: I think we should all get along.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_04: And as a location owner, I'm not I'm not gonna take anybody's side.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_04: I I want everybody to come, I want everybody to love the hospital.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_04: That's my main goal, and want to come back, you know.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but you guys all have pretty much I know Adam and you, Trans Allegheny, Cindy, trying to think the lady who owns Bel Air House.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: You guys all have kind of like the same goal is to keep history alive.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: So why wouldn't you do that?
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, helping each other out.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: I know Adam, you know, he makes money just like you guys do, and you guys put that money back in to keep the hospital way it is.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: It you know, when I first bought it, um, I'll be honest with you, some of our people here in the community, and I'm talking local community, um, it was not well received.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_04: And then when destination fear hit, I got a little bit of a backlash, not a huge backlash, but some because you know, and I really attribute it more toward to um just the lack of understanding the paranormal field.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, a lot of people, you know, were in the middle of the Bible belt, and a lot of people just associated paranormal with the devil, and um, they couldn't believe that I was gonna take a hospital where their loved one died and turn it into something like that.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_04: So I would sit down with them and I would talk to them and um whether it be on the phone or face to face, um, you know, there were even people talking about protesting us there at one time.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_04: So I I got in touch with them and I said, let's talk about this because I want you to understand why I'm doing what I'm doing.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, they were all upset and they just felt like it was disrespectful.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_04: They had a loved one, a parent, or somebody passed away.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_04: And and I I get that, I do, but my response was always back to them as as nice as I could be, but wouldn't it be more disrespectful if somebody came in and tore the building down or they let it rot and it just falls to pieces just because somebody wants it as a tax write-off?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_04: Don't you want to keep your loved one's memory alive?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_04: Don't you want to, you know, keep the building or the place that somebody was born in and all that stuff?
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_04: So it it took me probably a good year because here's the other aspect of it that a lot of people don't.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll tell you who's the best, and I don't know if you know her or not.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know Chris Sumner?
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she has uh she runs the I think it's called Historic, is it Scott County Jail in Tennessee?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she's awesome, and she she does she does a lot of I met Chris at a uh convention and she was speaking and she does studies on how the paranormal, um, you know, not only, you know, it is a business for us as well, but how it affects towns and like the tourism and does it give your local economy a boost and stuff, you know, uh we kind of knew that it would help, never dreamed it would help as much as it has.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know, I went to her seminar and I listened to that, and it was the statistics on that were very fascinating.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: And then I started thinking about our own little town.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you've been here, you know, a lot of people have left the area.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_04: We used to be a city of 25,000 and now we're down to three.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, when jobs leave, people leave.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_04: And it's just it's hard to keep things going when you don't have a lot of people there.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_04: So you have to kind of think out of the box sometimes.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_04: So when some of those people that were giving me a hard time initially at first started seeing, well, you know, these people are coming in sometimes for a night or two, sometimes longer.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_04: They're buying gas here, they're eating here, they're visiting our local shops or historical places like the coal house.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it they started seeing, you know, a little bit of how we could help the whole community.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't just about us.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_04: So some of that died down, but it it was a it was a little rough there first when we first got started.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_04: So thankfully, and I think even Adam had to deal with that to some extent on some of his locations, but um, you know, we tried to we want to help everybody.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, if I if I can bring in people that's that's gonna stay here and and buy food here and gas here, that all goes back to help your area, you know, not just us.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why we appreciate all of you coming in.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you guys didn't, other than the Hatfield McCoy Feud Trail, which is like an ATV off-road riding trail, um, we're probably the second biggest tourist location in in our county.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, I don't know why they don't really talk about the Hatfield McCoy Feud more because when they came out with that movie, oh, it was a mini-series with Kevin Costner and Bill Pullman.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there was a fluctuation of people that came to the area wanting to see where that took place.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_04: I said, it's all happened here, but they don't really talk about it that much.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, they the trail's named after them.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it you got Kentucky right across, I can throw a stone and hit Kentucky, you know, right over there.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you just, you know, they don't really, I don't know, push it as much as you do, but as I would, you know, I would probably, you know, bring some people in because it helps all of it, it helps the economy.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_04: And if you and if people are leaving and there's no jobs here, why not try something different or think outside the box?
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you think it's that you know they're I guess comfortable, which is having a small town now and don't want the people from the outside coming in?
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, I don't I don't really know.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_04: I I think um, you know, a lot of us that have been here for most of our lives, and I moved away.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_04: I was away for about 10 years between uh college, and then I I lived in Lexington, Kentucky for a while, and then I moved to California for a little while before I moved back home.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um I think it's hard for people that have lived here all of their life to know that it was once a booming town and uh a city and so many businesses, so many restaurants, so many things to do.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, to now we don't even have a movie locate, we don't even have a movie theater for kids.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_04: Very uh we don't even really have parks.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_04: The ones that we have are not very good, so there's literally nothing for children to do here, and that hurts my heart because the kids gotta have something to do, you know.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_04: We have to drive 30 miles to the nearest um movie theater if we want to go see a movie, and it's just it's really sad, it shouldn't be that way.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_04: But unfortunately, you know, a lot of people have left the area, and the ones that are here either don't have the time to do it, maybe might not have the financial means to do it, um, or just don't want to, one of the three.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_04: So I I would love to see it build back, and you know, we love it when when you guys come in to see us because we know you know there's a chance you're gonna, you know, eat and support some of our local people.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_04: So um, but it it's a funny thing, it just you just never know how it's gonna work, but yeah.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you and Charlie are doing it right.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, keeping history alive, giving people like me the opportunity to come see that history.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, again, I would have never even heard of Williamson if it wasn't for you.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um never gone there.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: I might have driven through it, going somewhere else, but no, it's cool that what you guys are doing.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you get that like at Bel Air, Ohio too.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: You got the Bel Air House, you got Roth's house there, and old coal mining town on Ohio River.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you say Bel Air, Ohio, they're thinking those two houses.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is associated with now is paranormal.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: So they're they're keeping it on the map, yeah.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of history in that town again.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, I get to come back sooner than later.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's my yes.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_04: We would love to have you, and we appreciate all of you so much.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we can't thank our paranormal community enough.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, without you guys, we wouldn't exist.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we we couldn't keep it going because even though Charlie and I both, and he just walked in by the way, he might pop in here in just a second.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: But uh ghostly figure behind us, yeah.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it wasn't a ghost, it was Charlie.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_04: He was behind me.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_04: But um we, you know, we really appreciate our paranormal community because even though, you know, as much as we both love history, there's not very many people standing in line to hear about just the history of the building, you know, 90% of the people want to know about the spooky as well, so um, or the paranormal activity, but we couldn't do it without you guys, and you know, that's why you know, doing podcasts or whatever.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_04: we can do to help or give back.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_04: We try our best to do that because we know if it weren't for you, we wouldn't be here, be able to do anything.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_04: So we have to thank you and and all the other teams for just you know allowing us um you know for for you guys for even wanting to come to Williamson and and be in the hospital.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_04: He's Charlie just walked in I'll make him come over here Ryan's over here.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: Hey Ryan Yeah so anybody out there that's gonna watch us um yeah if you're in West Virginia again like she said there's many places to go I think old hospital has to be one of those places you have to go see I mean I'm gonna let him pop in here too can you come up because part of me can pop in I'm tired.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: She's down here doing all the nice PR work and I'm up there working at the old hospital you see now you see now who really does the work.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: So how's uh hot at house going up there?
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_04: There's the Westie that was barking the whole time.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: How's it going up there?
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well thank you for asking it's going real good I believe we're gonna have a great uh I believe it's gonna be great uh I'm sure Tanya's already told you I don't want to cut me off I'm talking too long.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh for the last four years or so we did the uh skate floor uh theme if you will it's worked extremely well but we thought it's time for a change and some of our clients did too so we're doing a little more jump scare and stuff uh a little little change on it but I'm I'm very optimistic I think everybody's gonna have a good time that's good yeah I know it has nothing to do with paranormal but it's it's our way of kind of shaking things up a little bit and give a little bit back to the community and make the building and the property uh interesting it has a lot of different purposes and this would just be another one and tool another tool in a toolbox I call it yeah I mean it'll be fine I'm not really big into hot houses um I'm a weird paranormal type of guy I'm not big in a Halloween I'm not big into hot of houses and I don't watch horror movies so yeah I'm a little different paranormal investigator um I'm more of a I guess true you want to get into the true stuff don't you want to do stuff so yeah that's me but no I mean I've seen like Mansfield house down there in October um years ago they they were setting up their paranormal like the haunted house and it was interesting it'd be fun to do I mean if I didn't live four hours away from you I'd probably come down and check it out.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_04: We'd love to have you well you know we're gonna tell them you know we do have volunteers that are you know they do play characters and stuff and they are gonna try to wreak havoc on them but some of the spirits are there.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know you're talking a couple things your town like you said there's not movie theater than 30 miles.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah the haunted house is going to be their movie theater next month so something to do.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah that's one of the reasons honestly we agreed to do it because you know Charlie and I we were a little nervous because we we didn't really want to do a haunted house but our volunteers were begging us to do it and the fact that our kids here really have nothing to do and and I know they you know a lot of them love haunted houses as much as we did when we were kids so we bit the bullet and told them okay let's give this a try see how it goes so we open up Saturday.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see how it goes get off your phone and go to haunted house.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_04: That's it thank you for plugging thank you for the podcast yeah we appreciate it obviously if you can't get down there for the haunted house book out I mean where do they find you just Facebook it's the best way to find us up on Facebook or on all social media sites TikTok Instagram um we're either the old hospital on College Hill or College Hill Hospital uh they can also text us or call us um it's usually me and Charlie that answer the phone you'll get one of us and um you know when we go back to November or when we get to November um it'll go back to tours and overnight investigations.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_04: And we do them year round.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_04: We don't we don't take a month off.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_04: You know there might be a couple of weeks if the weather's really really cold.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well we had some extreme heat this summer that it was just too hot for people.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_04: Not for us yeah not for us we just didn't want our customers yeah we always we if we know that it's going to be really bad we'll text the team ahead of time and go hey y'all want to reschedule and we find another day that works better for you it's going to be 100 degrees or minus 20.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_04: So um it's been unusual weather this year but we you know we try to accommodate our teams because we have some that like to investigate when it's cold and we like we've got some that like to investigate when it's hot.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I plug in we have a base camp as you know on the second floor where we keep it air conditioned in the summer or heated in the uh winter.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Not the whole hospital just that just a good sized room on the second floor which is I call it the middle of the building you got two floors above you and two floors below you below you and the one you're on it gives you a place to I call recruit regoop and go at it again but warm up or cool off whichever the case may be so how far do you guys book out I mean I know places are different.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean do you guys have like all next year's calendar up or well we don't have an online calendar so we do it pretty much all ourselves um but we will start taking bookings for 2026 in November of this year.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_04: So in just a matter of a little over a month uh we'll open up the doors for people to reserve and unless we have an event or something planned on a specific day um we do paranormal we do overnight investigations seven days a week uh we love our paranormal groups we want to work with them we want them to keep coming back and we want new ones to to come and discover the hospital as well so um start in November if they want to call us or contact us through social media we'll we'll get them booked and tell them you know how we do it we're very easy to work with um very proud to say we haven't upped our rates since we started we don't want to uh we know how hard it is for everybody right now so um it's hard for us yeah unless we just have to down the road um but Charlie and I really want to make it affordable for um paranormal teams to be able to come um we even set up monthly plans if you have to uh just the initial thing that's that's only required up front is just the deposit to secure your date uh that's the only thing we ask up front and then we work with you from there on we're very liberal on the hours too you can once you book your date whatever date that is weekday or weekend uh you can come as early as four or five in the evening and we'll let you go ahead and set up and then it's yours until 8 30 the next morning.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah we we want you we when we talked about this and oh a lot of hours we wanted you know like when I was telling you about my experience at eight o'clock in the morning um we wanted you to have enough hours in the hospital um to where you feel like you know okay I've been here in the evening I've been here in the afternoon and now morning so because you know you know in the paranormal it may be silent until about two or three o'clock in the morning or it could be silent all night and then start going at it at 5 a.m so we wanted you to be able to get enough time and then some of our paranormal teams bless their hearts they look like uh CSI crews coming in they have so much equipment um it takes them at least an hour or so to set it all up so I don't want them to feel rushed when they're in there and and we don't rent it to anybody else so you get the whole hospital just for you all and I want you all to have that one-on-one time with the hospital um so you have time to set up your equipment or to change it or to meet with your group and and go through it and you know those kind of things and there's nothing wrong with having multiple groups and especially if you got a huge place like Transalleghenia or Waverly you could put you know four or five groups in there you probably never see each other but our hospital is not as big so um we try to keep it just to one team and let you guys have it and it can be one person or it can be 20 people we we don't mind um but we try to make it affordable for the teams um even with our lodging if they decide to take one of the houses along with it um it's honestly better than getting a hotel because in a hotel you're shoved in one room with everything right there at least these you got a house and you're not right on top of each other you know you can go and come as you need to yeah and you can go and come and then and then it's literally right out the back door of the hospital.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So you you don't it's adjacent properties it's not like you're off site.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah you don't have to get in a car and drive no you don't drive so we we want you guys to feel comfortable and stay with us and and we let the teams investigate the houses for free right now we don't we don't charge extra for that um although they're starting a lot of it's starting yeah I was gonna say if it starts picking up a lot more um like I said Paranormal Quest just did one on on Dr.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_04: Conley's house and put it on uh YouTube and it's interesting and that cottage is really interesting too the cottage is we knew the cottage had a little bit going on yeah they they had warned us about the cottage that's why we bought it we were beforehand we were interested in that yeah they uh one of my friends that used to live there she kind of gave me a heads up and said hey if you ever get the opportunity to buy that house over there make sure you buy it and I was like why and she said I'll tell you later and you know we never really thought we were going to get it we wasn't looking to buy anymore um and then that guy came to us and said you know here I don't want this anymore do y'all want it and we were like oh okay so we bit the bullet and we took it and uh that's when she came back and told us about some of the paranormal activity that happened when she was there and uh when she lived there and she's a lawyer she's very straight laced you know very and then she said you know there she said I could see things happening in the hospital when I lived there she said but the house is and and even then the only neighbor that lives I don't know if you met him when you were here uh the only neighbor that lives on the hill right behind the hospital is a meal and um he will tell you he used to live in that little house and he says um before he moved over to the house that he's in now he tells the teams he said you need to investigate that house because it's haunted as well so it's pretty neat to hear the stories of people that lived in there um you know so we don't charge extra for that so you get you know while you're sleeping we can't help but if if a spirit wants to come in there and say hi to you but um it's pretty cool but we let we let teams know that so that way if you want to set up equipment or something while you're in the hospital you can and they do many of them do they've captured some interesting things.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_01: All my southern Ohio southern Pennsylvania groups out there if you haven't been old hospital get the old hospital i mean you're not gonna be disappointed um it's cool like I didn't have a huge amount of activity there but I had enough that I want to go back as owners that's what you want you want me to keep coming back to get more so absolutely but um just to enjoy your company and have you guys come back we love we love it when you visit oh have Charlie give you a tour I didn't get to take the tour I didn't want to but I heard it was great.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes he's really good my teammates talk my teammates talked about for like two days Charlie Charlie Charlie so really yeah they didn't tip me that was I didn't take the tour I didn't have to tip you that's on them uh I'll send them a bill I didn't know I was that good I'll send them an invoice I'm tickled that I I'm very honored and pleased that they had a great time that's what I want them to do.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Hospitality like you guys didn't have any shirts set up but you brought a box of shirts and you're like I don't know what's in here but if you want to buy some shirts buy some shirts you know what I think yeah we we're working on the gift shop it's a thing in progress uh it shouldn't be so hard but we've had a leak in a rough area there where that gift shop is supposed to be everybody's been so patient understanding but believe me we miss the gift shop too because that money helps us work on the nurses college next door and I'm sure you all already talked about that yeah that's that's our next big move is to get that open for you guys.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah I've been keeping track and I know you guys haven't started yet because you have other stuff going on I'm like as soon as that opens up I'm coming down like that that building just intrigued me when I saw it.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had to get in there.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well you're gonna have a good time there and many are saying the same thing.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well I think it's gonna look like an unemployment line every one of you guys are going to be out there to get a photo everybody's gonna have their equipment you all you paranormals are together and these long line for about a half a block waiting to get in there.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's really a big building it doesn't look that large but it's almost 5,000 square feet per floor and it's six six floors plus it's really almost seven but um I I tell people a little bit about it because I've dared to go into it.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Down in the laundry room you wouldn't think much about it but it's it's kind of looking like at a it's excuse me I didn't say that right it's like watching an old movie apocalyptic where you had people at workstations and now they're all gone and it's dust and it's just like they left it.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know almost like there's a cup of coffee nearby and here's the well one of the one of the floors is this huge laundry room and it has those large and I know you've seen them the iron I call them presses.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that's what they call them they're like five feet long presses you know you can put a person you can press a guy into one of them and and when you see that and uh I know it seems funny talk about it but the the drying machines and the washing machines the big ones they're industrial these aren't like you go buy for your household and it's just like they walked away.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's like taking a step back in time.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and it's and there's like a generator in there it's about the size of a Mac truck.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you know you just don't see those things.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I I get into buildings so forgive me I'm in real estate a lot of these old buildings and I know you know what terracotta pipe is and usually terracotta pipe is used for drains drainage.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: They put a terracotta round pipe inside the chimney flue that I know is like three three feet in diameter.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: And when you think they built this stuff back in the period that they did it without the benefits of everything from a cordless drill to the hydraulics that we take advantage of today it's such amazing thing to think about and it's still standing this nurses college is still square and plum.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was their fault and I'm not trying to blame but they just let the roof go and in real estate we call it deferred maintenance and it was the worst case of deferred maintenance you ever seen.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: But despite despite that negligence if you will or that oversight or whatever you want to call it the building has weathered it and stayed true to itself and I think the building almost speaks to me every day I walk by they're like hey let's get this roof done and let me have another hundred years.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's a and it's a beautiful building too I I'm proud of it for our town to have it I'm sure I'm probably coming in being redundant there's there's only the state built 13 of those back in the early 30s for nurses to go to school to for the vocation of nursing Williamson was one of them and um they cranked out nurses there not just for that hospital but for the whole region.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_00: They started in the 30s they they recruited the young girls and I'm not being sexist but that's where they went to get the seniors of the local high schools if you had good grades or good marks you were asked and if that's the vocation you wanted you went right there.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_00: The dorm was up on the top floor where they're that's where they were their rooms were the dormitory.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's why the street was renamed College Hill.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_00: The college was the classes were in the next two floors down and then as I said the rest of the floors down were maintenance and uh they multipurpose I'm sure but they use them for a lot of things.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_00: But uh they were there opened uh up into the early 50s after World War II and they shut them down because by that time universities and colleges took over the job of teaching nursing and uh we have to our knowledge we've checked but we're gonna double check we have the only ones still standing out of those 13 that they originally built back in the 30s.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we're proud of that little thing too and we feel it's our duty to make sure it goes another 100 years if we can't but it's been there 80 years so hopefully another another 100 hopefully another 80.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_00: No but again I can't wait for it and we talked about before you know history yeah um thinking about old buildings here history yeah paranormal and you got the architecture part of it so just because you're not in the paranormal there's still history there you can go check it out for the history I think they go hand in hand run I mean you can't really talk about you can't talk about something paranormal because it ties back to some historical like our Moes Blackburn the event in 1962 when you start talking that's history uh sadly a police officer shot in the line of duty uh today it's too common but back then that was horrific and national news uh it doesn't take much to research that one because uh they gave the town I'm sure a black eye uh they made it to the New York Times yeah yeah in the hospital yeah if you want to read about the most vibrant case just pick up a newspaper anything that was on the AP UPI wire system they covered it it was big news and here a little town tucked away in Appalachia became a news story sadly a not a favorable one or one you're proud of but nevertheless it was a news story but um yeah you can't you gotta have them both and that's why it's fun I enjoy this so much I think that's why maybe people like me doing it because you know if you do things you enjoy you usually you do do them well you know and I hope I'm doing them well but I uh I just uh I enjoy I enjoy sharing the story uh and I see them and delighted by the story they find it interesting and I feed on that too but uh I do know back to paranormal there's been a lot of good captures from the outside looking at that old nurse's college building a lot of good apparitions yeah so it's primed and ready uh for you Ron so get get your she's waiting get your equipment ready we're gonna hopefully I'm waiting I know don't Tanya you guys are doing it right you're doing it I mean you're doing it for yourselves but you're doing it for the community just not Williamson but the paranormal community the history community you're keeping stuff alive as a paranormal vest care that's what I love about the owners I mean there's I think 80% of the owners out there are doing it for the right reason.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Without you guys there wouldn't be us I'd be in my woods with a little recorder running around trying to find a Sasquatch or something I don't know but but you guys keep the history alive for us to be able to go do this and again like Charlie it's your passion that drives it and you can tell that when you who talk to you I mean even if you know five ten minutes you've been on you can tell with a passion uh Tanya has the passion from the heart of when you guys bought this place.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's it's a great story.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I can't plug you guys enough go down there see it I'll be back down there probably before the nursing is done I'll be before that but thank you yeah we appreciate that I'll have to go back again when the nursing college is done so oh yeah yeah it is a goal within the next year to at least put a roof on it if we can the build the building floors are safe structurally speaking it's it's really safe it's just without the roof and there's a lot to clean up but uh we can it it's gonna be great it's really gonna be great I can't wait so we have a donate button on our website if anybody feels free to donate we put everything back into it's tough when you have one building but then when you try to focus on another you know it it it's it's hard.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah you guys own a paranormal hospital you guys aren't millionaires from it I mean that's very thing just joking I wish we were that was the plan I I was told in six months we'd be you know selling moving to the Caribbean and doing something there but no I haven't seen that yet but I it wasn't everybody always thinks that oh you own a paranormal house you must no there's so much work that goes into it overhead maintenance well well just add just add two houses to it where you got housekeeping and maintenance and taxes and insurance and changing light bulbs and beds and garbage it's more work but we have we love it we love it we love it but you truly have to run it like a business and um I think some people don't understand the behind the scenes of you know fighting to get your taxes lowered.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure Adam probably could tell you all about that but um you know and like we were talking earlier just having the community accept you and um just the stuff that goes behind and you know when you've got a 97 year old building you know the roof is falling apart we need to fix some of it um some things that we need to do it you know we're doing them but it it takes time and it's gonna you know and and we got the nurses college we love it but you know putting a roof on that thing ain't gonna be cheap so you know no it's gonna be a a huge project it'll be yeah yeah but we'll get there one day and thanks to people like you and your team that's what I was gonna say that's why we do it as long as you guys keep coming and plugging us we'll keep going as the as long as we got breath in us because uh I wanted to add something to it again I'm not sure how long a wind of time you got here and I apologize for my appearance I'm about 30 minutes over it's okay.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I'm sorry happens when I show my talk I was gonna say it's probably three hours over Tanya talking uh I want to say this and I hope you your your listeners appreciate it.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we Tanya and I talk about all the time um Like yourself and others that's in the paranormal community, you you investigators per se, or strictly you.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you guys are wonderful people.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I have to confess, five years ago, I didn't even know there was a paranormal community.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I wasn't totally in the dark, but uh I didn't know it was an industry like it was.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I just never had the opportunity.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I always try to be open-minded, and I won't tell my whole life story about this, but I wasn't sure how it'd go.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I've been in real estate for a long time, and I thought, so we're turning people loose in a building to do what they do, which I was okay with what they did, but I was worried about you know how you get as you get older, you go, well, why if they start stealing stuff or doing things or vandalizing it?
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't know these people.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, and I wasn't trying to mischaracterize them, but it was just a legit after all we've seen, and and truthfully, too, between air ownership and the prior ownership, there was a gap there.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: The building was broke into, and you know that copper thieves did if there's anything I could prevent, I wish it was the copper theft that does the most damage where people just ruin a structure pulling out the wires for the copper and all that stuff.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, not knowing that, not and I knew the the people that would come aren't there for the copper, you guys wouldn't pay to do, you know, it just doesn't make sense.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I guess I want to say in a in a very I want to drag it out too much here, but I am just so impressed and so appreciative.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I know there's a side to it that it's it's bad to remove something uh from a haunted place, you don't want to do that.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know there's that factor, that variable, but even with that, it's just so nice that people care so much.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um we identify with it.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_00: I and I know you like you just said, you appreciate what the owners do, but um to just have and I say this total strangers from everywhere to come there and to respect the property, um offer to come back and volunteer to help us on doing things, or call us and say, Charlie, I think there was somebody suspicious walking around.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm worried not for themselves, but for our property and things like that.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it we're we feel like we're not in it alone.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you that's what keeps us going, is that we know that the next team that comes cares as much about us the team that just left, and uh that's why we bought the houses uh because it wasn't for additional revenue stream, because when you run the numbers, it yeah, it's no it is what it is.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we cared for the safety of the teams.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh we don't throw you out at two or three in the morning, but we know sometimes a team will get tired and they're ready to go.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're eight hours away from home because we've we've had people here from 48, 49 of our states in eight countries.
• 1:30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we wanted them to, you know.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, we're probably not the best hospitality people, but if we could put a mint on the pillow, we we'd do it, you know.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if we had had the mints and the time, but we want it to be a great experience, but we also want to show that appreciation back that they're giving us by respecting the property so much.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is our fifth year, yeah.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I've never had to go in and say, Oh, look here, they broke this, or look here, they trashed this, or nothing.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Emma, right?
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that's a rare think about that.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_00: And and you guys out there and the paranormal investigators that's been with us, and those that you haven't come yet, uh, I'm sure you're like-minded.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_00: That really just speaks volumes of your character, your respect, uh, your professionalism.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I could go on and on.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, kudos to you guys for that.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because that that someone wrote, you know, there's no business plan for this stuff.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_00: We owners, and I speak for them, and I don't even know they want me to, you know, there's no there's no book on going how to run a paranormal place, you know, because there's some of them so different, and uh there's no classes I know of being taught on it out there, but uh to have that kind of universal hundred percent, just it's it's it like it's written and unwritten code.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is the way it's done.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_00: That just speaks so much for the whole I'll call it the industry for lack of a better word.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Kudos to you and yours.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's like you must become family, and that's what we love.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got some of these guys.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I've known all my life.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, really.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_04: We love it when they keep coming back and reminisce.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes we go out to dinner with them, we do we love hanging with them.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, we couldn't, like I said before, we couldn't do it without you guys, so it means the world to us.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_04: So hats off to you all.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean just a it's a big circle.
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, without you, it wouldn't be us, without us, it wouldn't be you.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, you know, I know it's this is a hard word in this day and age.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Respect each other, everything will work out.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you said a lot there in that one sentence.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_00: If we all had more of that in this world, it'd be a much more civil and better world, a lot brighter and friendlier.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the paranormal world 90 is respecting each other's opinions and respecting each other's evidence, and yeah, again, it goes all the way down to the owners or up to the owners, but you have a higher pedestal than us, but um no, because without you guys, it wouldn't be us.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean that's the way I look at it.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can agree, disagree, agree, Charlie, but whatever.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_01: We can argue that all of we can argue that the whole time.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying, if you guys weren't out there to come, we wouldn't have been able to keep it going.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, our goal really was uh if I can say that Tanya says it all the time, uh, to save a little bit of history of our town, and yeah, you're providing the economic means to it.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_00: We may have the vision and the desire and the hope, but you know, we all have to re accept the reality it takes money to to make things happen, and you guys are the source for it, and you've already had that built into it, and you know, we're just feel like we're just stepping on the train with you guys to ride it to wherever it takes us.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're just proud to be part of it in our small way.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody out in the paranormal paranormal world, appreciate you guys.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you appreciate us again.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Plug you guys, check them out, get down there, not that far, a couple switchbacks, and you're there.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, not too hard to get down there.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: West Virginia, just a great state called God's country, it's what I call it.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So um, once you hit West Virginia border, you feel better.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Feels like fresh air down there more.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's a beautiful state.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_01: It is a beautiful state.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: So get down there if you get down there, you know, starting Saturday, hot at the house.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, check it out if you're into that.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let Freddie chase you off.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, again, thank you.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, thank all your volunteers that help you because I know there's a lot of volunteers and all this stuff that happens.
• 1:34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Again, about an hour 50 minutes into this.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_01: So uh sorry.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_04: We need to let you go, don't we?
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm gonna get in trouble here, but it's fine.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Again, in the future, you guys have uh other big plans coming up next year.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, send me a text, whatever, come on, I'll get away, talk if something else cools happen um and get the nursing college open.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_01: I expect a little private text before you open that.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um schedule myself before everybody else.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thank you for having us on, and I'm glad we finally got to get the scheduled together.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got together finally after a couple tries.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_01: But again, always a pleasure talking to you, Charlie and Tanya.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, we'll see you soon.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having us on.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Take care.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Be good, Ron.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_01: You too.