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Carpetbagger Spanberger wages war against bipartisan fairness in Virginia · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Now, let you know for you guys that are outside the beltway and don't know about Virginia, and everybody knows about Virginia, what happened recently, um with the People's Republic, because now it's joining Maryland.
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  Sean Kenny uh used to be uh the chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia, if I'm correct.
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  And Sean, the last time I think we spoke was when I was on radio years ago.
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  You used to come on a radio show down in Southern Virginia when you were the leadership of the Republican Party.
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  And at that time, you still had people operating that knew how to operate a Republican Party.
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  And uh at that time it was really good back in the day of uh re of uh Virginia.
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  So Sean, welcome to the National Security Hour.
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  Colonel, thank you very much for that.
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  And yeah, I mean, that was gosh, 12 years ago.
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  And sure enough, we we still had a functioning state party back then, didn't we?
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  But uh yes, time has uh eroded away a great deal of our grassroots, unfortunately.
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  And uh, you know, let's be honest, we we have a lot of work to do in Virginia.
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  We have a lot of work to do.
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  Well, in 12 years, I mean, I remember, you know, Mike and I lived in the belt where we both lived in the McLean area.
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  And uh, you know, I seen oh gosh.
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  We moved I moved out to the Valley, Shenandoah Valley.
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  Mike moved out a few years after me, but you know, it just became like I want to, I don't want to say the third world, but the melting pot of the third world, because what's happened in Northern Virginia, and you know, we were in Fairfax County, which is like now they they got a shirt now.
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  Don't fairfax me.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So it's just and then remember Chantilly, Senneville, these were like uh going to Egypt, you know, bum bum Egypt, right?
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  And Loudon County, who who knew Loudon County was going to be the most prosperous county, right?
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  You know, you think about it.
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  There were cowtowns back in that time, but uh gosh, it's absolutely exploded since then.
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  So yeah, they brought in all these people, and now I mean, I think uh going towards Dulles Airport, you got the uh I call it data data central.
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  It's like rodeo drive, but for datas, you know, it's just both sides, 13 miles of data center.
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  Sean, let's talk about your article.
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  It's a very serious article.
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  I appreciate it.
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  It's on the Republican standard, which Sean writes with that I that's your that's your site, right?
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  The Republican.
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  That's correct.
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  That's correct.
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  And the senior editor for it.
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  Yeah, and we'll put that in the notes.
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  Okay, so the Republican standard, you wrote a scathing piece.
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  Tell us a little bit about it.
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  Tell the uh the audience on AmericaOutloud.news what you wrote.
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  Well, it's as most of your your listeners probably know by now, Virginia's just gone through a very difficult and tumultuous redistricting effort, one that's as we're speaking right now, is being argued in front of the Virginia Supreme Court.
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  That will go on for the better part of a week.
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  But um the the long and short of it is that the Democrats in Virginia um with their majority pretty much ran right over top of the Constitution and over the process outlined by the Constitution to force this amendment early to get it in front of the voters.
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  Um, Hakeem Jeffries and the Washington set um spent 80 million dollars trying to undo our nonpartisan redistricting uh method.
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  So um, for those who aren't aware, Virginia had what we would consider to be model redistricting, um, where it was effectively you know an even number from both parties would go in front of a special master.
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  Um, those lines would be drawn in compact nonpartisan ways.
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  And what it effectively gave us were six-five lines, six for the Democrats, five for the Republicans, which if you're familiar with Virginia is just about where Virginians are.
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  Um instead, what we had is after 80 million dollars of spend and a very prejudicial um uh amendment language, which said you know, the amendment was there to restore fairness.
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  Um half of Virginia voted to disenfranchise the other half, and the end result was we have 91-9 representation, effectively 10-1 Democratic to Republican, which doesn't strike anyone as fair.
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  Um so now what we have in Virginia, it's uh Virginia's martyrdom is uh America's example, right?
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  I mean, this is what happens when Democrats take power.
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  This is what happens when you give them an inch.
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  They take more than just a mile, they go the whole way.
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  Um, and when you have people overturning fairness, um, or in the sense of uh, you know, say they're just trying to get back at Trump.
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  Um, yeah, it kind of strikes one as a bit hypocritical.
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  And so uh, you know, I'll think a lot of Virginians here, a lot of Virginia Republicans.
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  I mean, first off, we now realize our strength after coming off of a November election where we lost by 15 points.
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  Um, to go down 4149 is is bittersweet, but it reminds us that there's more of us than there are of them.
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  Secondly, um, and I think most important for us is that uh even with these new lines, there's still a bit of fight in the dog.
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  We could come out 7-4 if we play our cards right.
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  Um, certainly Virginia Republicans are galvanized at this rate.
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  Democrats, on the other hand, I think are starting to realize their overreach.
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  And at the national climate, I think that this is where Republicans can point back to the chicanery of Virginia Democrats and say, this is what will happen if Republicans do not succeed in maintaining majorities or at least majority in one chamber, the U.S.
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  Congress.
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  Um, and the Democrats are effectively telegraphing their punches saying, yeah, this is exactly what they intend to do.
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  So uh difficult times in Virginia and a very clear warning for the rest of America.
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  Difficult times in Virginia and a very clear warning for the rest of America.
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  Well, you did see you did see what happened.
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  Well, you did see you did see what happened.
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  Tim Kane actually came out and says on the news, well, this is nothing about Jerry Manor, it's all about Trump.
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  Tim Kane actually came out and says on the news, well, this is nothing about Jerry Manor, it's all about Trump.
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  I mean, that's really ballsy, right?
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  I mean, that's really ballsy, right?
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  But he put it right on the line.
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  But he put it right on the line.
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  Yeah, I think it was that was it uh Don Byer, who's representative up in Northern Virginia, um, said, Well, we have to be unfair to Virginia in order to be fair to America.
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  Yeah, I think it was uh was it uh Don Byer, who's representative up in Northern Virginia, um said, Well, we have to be unfair to Virginia in order to be fair to America.
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  And what he means by unfairness, and this is the the dirty little secret of the whole thing.
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  And what he means by unfairness, and this is the the dirty little secret of the whole thing is that five of these gerrymandied lines run through Northern Virginia.
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  So Fairfax County, which is one-eighth of the Commonwealth, borders Washington, DC.
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  Um, it gets five seats in the House of Representatives from Virginia.
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  Two seats go down to to Richmond, which is not exactly a bastion of conservative anything, and two seats go to Norfolk, which means effectively that Virginia is being represented by its urban cores and the rural parts of Virginia um are effectively being ignored.
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  Now, probably stands to reason that the House of Representatives was established by our founders to be representative of the public will.
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  Um, the opposite body of that being the Senate.
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  If you get a hundred, you know, you get 5149 in the Senate, you get the whole whole seat.
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  But one would like to think that rural Virginia and the reason why the founders set it up that way so that a totality of voices are represented in Washington and not just the narrow opinion of a faction, certainly not the opinion of our urban corps.
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  Um, and this is really what the Democrats, this is what the Democrats wanted, it's what they said they were going to do.
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  Um, and it is effectively given the narrow 5149 nature of the vote.
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  I effectively disenfranchises half of the Commonwealth for the argument to say that we have to be unfair to fellow our neighbors so that we can somehow be more fair to the Democratic Party in Washington.
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  That doesn't strike me as fair.
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  It doesn't strike me as right.
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  And it sure as hell is in constitutional process.
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  Michael.
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  Yeah, it's it's it's not a constitutional process.
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  It's typical of a carpet bagger like uh Spanberger.
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  You know, she's a she's just a piece of um refuse out of that northern area of of uh of Virginia.
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  And uh, of course, coming from uh where New Jersey, I think.
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  Uh she's a bold liar and a bold deceptor, but uh it's it's a it's a it's it's it's criminal.
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  I hope that I hope the court handles it that way.
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  You know, she's got a reputation when she was at the agency.
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  I used I used to work there for about 25 years of being very negative about um uh uh Southern Virginia of a rural Virginia, let me say.
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  And she sure has played that out.
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  And uh apparently can it intends to continue to do that.
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  It it I just don't have a good feeling about the Supreme Court.
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  You know it much better than I do, sir, the Virginia Supreme Court.
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  But sure.
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  Even it's if it's uh, you know if they try to please both sides, uh the the conservatives will still be the losers.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Well, two things on that.
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  One, I mean, uh Spamberger's most certainly from New Jersey.
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  Um, believe it or not, most of the the uh a very thin majority of people who live in Virginia were not born in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
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  Um, we got a lot of refugees from New York and New Jersey and points north.
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  So um, you know, but but uh bear in mind Spamberger's rise to power um was effectively you had uh Eric Cantor, um, who had a district in the 7th district, um, a former House uh majority leader, uh 59% Republican, and the seat was so conservative that it enabled a conservative challenger by the name of Dave Brattum to effectively run against him and win in his primary.
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  Um Dave Bratt ran uh you know governed uh he represented the 7th District for about four years and then was challenged by uh a little known candidate by the name of Abigail Spanberger.
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  And Abigail Spanberger beat Dave Bratt.
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  Um she survived a very a very close challenge from Nick Fritis the following session.
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  The redistricting moved her seat.
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  Um she did not move with it, but she certainly represented the Fredericksburg area in Prince William County.
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  Um and it's from there that she made her springboard into statewide office.
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  So uh, you know, it it's it's interesting to me that um you know she doesn't have particular roots in Virginia.
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  She doesn't understand how state government works.
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  Richmond's a tight-knit place.
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  Um she doesn't have a lot of background.
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  And what we've seen so far is that the General Assembly, um, most notably uh State Senator Louise Lucas, um, has effectively boxed her in on just about every front.
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  There hasn't been a whole lot of governing from the governor.
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  There hasn't been a lot of pushback from the governor, and immediately going into office, she's the face of this redistricting effort, uh, the gerrymandering effort.
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  And so what happens then is that her her sort of persona as this moderate, as a centrist, is the one who famously yelled at uh Nancy Pelosi over defunding the police, um, now ends up championing one of the most divisive uh uh uh efforts in in in Virginia history with an end result, the Washington poll Shar School post uh poll um turned out and said it's she has the most negative numbers and the most divisive numbers of any Virginia governor in modern polling history.
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  Um so what what her what her virtues or vices are as uh as a as a as a governor are yet to be never to be demonstrated, but certainly in Richmond and in Virginia, the honeymoon's off.
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  Um Sanders made plenty of mistakes and doesn't at this point in time seem to be doing any course correction.
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  Yeah.
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  No, I think she's an ideologue, and that's that's the problem we have.
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  Also, as Sean, she's she's probably you know trying to tie for Wes Moore.
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  Wes Moore became the worst governor for Maryland, just a couple of years, you know.
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  In one year, he burned through a budget that he had a surplus with uh uh Larry Hogan, you know, and uh everything's upside down, you know, the fees.
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  Now I think you even have to have a fee to catch flies in Maryland, you know, and especially the fisheries.
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  And to make matters worse, uh Maryland had the option to do redistricting, and the People's Republic of Maryland declined to do so.
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  Um so when Wes Moore is to your right.
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  That tells you.
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  But also, Sean, being in this beltway, and you know being in Virginia for years, you know, it's a very rich area.
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  The GDP, both states, and you know, the the federal government feeds it.
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  You know, you look at Arlington, you look at Alexandria, you look at the the Pentagon, you look at Quantico, you look at the the agencies, you look at Tyson's Corner, which is basically uh Tyson's Corner is just defense contractor West.
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  Basically, uh Tyson's Corner is just defense contractor West.
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  You know, I mean, it's just it it there's a lot of federal money.
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  You know, I mean, it's just it there's a lot of federal money.
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  You know, and I I said in a show just recently after she was elected, I said, if Trump really wants to play hardball, start moving some jobs to uh states that need uh a little bit of work because Lois is only in power, and you know why she's in power down there, because you know, you got you got the Navy and you got a lot of Fed stuff going on down there.
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  You know, and I I said in a show just recently after she was elected, I said if Trump really wants to play hardball, start moving some jobs to uh states that need a little bit of work because Lois is only in power, and you know why she's in power down there because you know, you got you got the Navy and you got a lot of Fed stuff going on down there.
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  But gosh, how old is she?
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  But gosh, how old is she now?
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  About 90.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Yeah, it's close, very close.
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  Yeah.
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  And she's running a business, and she's she seems to me like uh Minnesota light.
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  If you had to take a drink, you know what I'm saying?
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  They're running all kinds of scams.
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  Yeah, all intents and purposes.
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  I think uh Louise Lucas was asked if she was going to run again.
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  And she, I mean, she hasn't committed one way or the other, but all indications are that she intends to do so.
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  So she's definitely in her late 80s at this rate, but uh um still uh mentally as sharp as ever.
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  Uh oh, she's a power player for sure.
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  Now let me ask you a question.
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  Are we legally allowed in Virginia to look at somebody's will?
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  Because she may have in her will that when she dies, she'll run from the grave.
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  Perhaps there's a there's a Chicago clause in there.
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  All right, welcome back.
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  We're on segment two of Sean Kenny live in Virginia.
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  We're discussing Abigail Spamberger and the Virginia gerrymandarine.
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  And again, look, she's trying to catch up.
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  Everybody wants to be on the Democratic side, they want to be to Gavin Newsom, but not Spamberger.
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  She wants to be West Moore, which is right across the river, and it's called Maryland.
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  And even Maryland turned down this thing.
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  So uh Sean, let's continue on your article on the Republican standard.
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  Go ahead, sir.
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  Sure.
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  So a couple of things out of the gate.
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  Um, one, after the the redistricting amendment passed in Virginia, one of the things you immediately saw the Democrats do nationally was sort of extend the olive branch and say, well, why don't we do nonpartisan redistricting nationwide, and that'll solve the problem, to which I think most Virginians um reacted with little more than contempt.
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  I mean, it's like we had nonpartisan redistricting.
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  You spent 80 million dollars uh on doing it, so spare us the condescension condescension without really mentioning that you know it's it's the duty and responsibility of the states to do apportionment and redistricting, not the federal government.
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  Do apportionment and redistricting, not the federal government.
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  There's good 10th amendment reasons why we don't allow the federal government to draw the lines.
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  There's good 10th Amendment reasons why we don't allow the federal government to draw the lines.
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  And so it's almost as if the Democrats having having won, realized they stepped in it and then proceeded to try to shake their shoe.
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  And so it's almost as if the Democrats, having having won, realized they stepped in it and then proceeded to try to shake their shoe.
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  And no, I I I think that the at least in Virginia anyway, you know, it just it's just very thin.
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  And no, I I think that the at least in Virginia anyway, you know, it just it's just very thin.
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  This is a very thin veneer.
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  This is a very thin veneer.
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  We're uh we're not interested in that.
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  We're uh we're not interested in that.
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  So yeah, I think that's
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  So yeah, I think that was sort of our our most immediate reaction to it.
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  And then the the broader effect, I really can't emphasize this one enough.
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  Uh too many people that I talked to, um, but both Democrats and Republicans, by the way, um, and some Democrats who actually voted for the amendment, I think woke up the next morning and realized what had happened is that half of Virginia had effectively chosen to disenfranchise the other half.
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  That to me is sort of the real sticking point of all of it, and the net result of what they've done, and this is something I believe it was uh you gov who went ahead and uh did the analysis on this one, but as a end result, you know, for a referendum that was touted to restore fairness, Virginia now comes out with the most unfair lines in the nation.
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  It's a D.74.5.
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  So 74.5% the expected share of congressional seats after the midterms that exceeded the statewide election results.
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  I think uh, you know, Democrats will point back to say, well, Missouri and Florida, they're also in the top three, California is uh number four, then it goes to North Carolina and Texas.
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  But the problem here is that Virginia went from having the most fair lines to now having the most unfair lines.
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  Uh and again, when half of your half of your half of your friends and neighbors choose to disenfranchise the other half to produce 91 nine seats, um, that sends a message.
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  And when they trample over the constitution to do it, Virginia's got a very detailed, lengthy process on how to amend its constitution.
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  All of that was abrogated.
• 23:10
  All of that was set aside in order to cram this through now and not wait for an intervening election.
• 23:16
  So yeah, the Democrats have a lot to answer for here.
• 23:19
  Right now, the Supreme Court of Virginia is reviewing whether or not the process actually was fair based on those procedural grounds.
• 23:26
  Whether or not the Supreme Court's willing to overturn a referenda is anyone's guess.
• 23:32
  However, all of that having been said, we're in unprecedented territory where the rule of law and the constitution mean nothing in the pursuit of power.
• 23:43
  And when you get to that point, you tend to activate people who were not previously political.
• 23:48
  And I think that right there is the crux of the whole thing, regardless of whether you're Democrat or Republican, most of us expect fair play.
• 23:56
  Most of us expect the rule of law.
• 23:59
  Most of us agree that the Constitution are the ground rules we use, whether it's the Virginia Constitution, your state constitution, or the United States Constitution.
• 24:08
  Those are the ground rules we all commonly agree to so that we can have the political in the public sphere.
• 24:14
  And when we run over top of that, we start wandering into very deep and murky water waters.
• 24:21
  And uh that's not a good place for any, you know, whether you democracy, representative government, uh a polity, what what you call it, it's just not a good grounding for for what we're trying to achieve here.
• 24:33
  That we play by the same set of rules we don't.
• 24:36
  Um the Democrats have chosen not to play by the rules.
• 24:38
  And so what's the thing?
• 24:39
  Are there any house seats up, Sean?
• 24:41
  Any house seats up in Virginia coming over?
• 24:44
  All of them.
• 24:44
  So in the well, well, so bear in mind, so all of them to for the congressional side, all of them are up and everything's jumbled.
• 24:54
  In the the House of Delegates and the state senate in Virginia at least, we do odd year elections.
• 25:00
  So Louise Lucas and the 40 members of the Senate will be up in 2027.
• 25:05
  Um, all 100 members of the House will be up.
• 25:08
  But uh, I mean, that's that's 18 months from now.
• 25:11
  That's it, that's an eternity in politics.
• 25:14
  I thought it was this year, so we got 18 months, Mike.
• 25:17
  18 months.
• 25:18
  Yeah.
• 25:18
  Sean, I'm I've got just a question that's there's no answer for, but it just seems odd to me that the Democrats spent 80 million dollars and only one by two points.
• 25:32
  Did they did they buy votes?
• 25:35
  I you know, it just seems uh I don't know what the Republicans do.
• 25:40
  You mean outside, outside Virginia money.
• 25:43
  Or inside outside.
• 25:44
  Listen, where I live here, South E Stanton, there are enough creeps in this town, and it's a wealthy town who fly the Ukrainian flag, uh, all but call for Trump's death, the the rich people here at least.
• 25:59
  And um it just seems to me on an amazing amount of money to spend just on advertising.
• 26:07
  Yeah, and and and look, I mean, the they they certainly have the money to do it now now.
• 26:11
  If you go back and you look at some of the the national markers, you look at MAGA Incorporated, RNC, Detroit, you know, DCC, NRCC, the Republicans effectively right now have twice as much money as the Democrats do nationwide.
• 26:25
  So when you're looking at the map for for November and you're considering the resources that can be brought to bear, um, the Republicans are actually in a really good spot.
• 26:32
  I think that the economist or the New York Times this morning was going over, it's like, well, well, Democrats believe that they have the edge.
• 26:39
  They just narrowly squeaked out a win in Virginia at the cost of 80 million dollars.
• 26:43
  And oh, by the way, the Democratic Party is far more unpopular than Donald Trump ever was or will be.
• 26:50
  So the Democrats have their own problems too.
• 26:53
  The the question is is that you know, even if the lines had not changed, bear this in mind.
• 26:58
  Um, you know, the Republicans were a little bit behind the ball.
• 27:00
  I mean, Rob Whitman's going to have a strong challenge in the first district, uh, John McGuire was going to have a challenge in this in the in the fifth, Jen Kiggins in the second district in Virginia Beach.
• 27:09
  She had a strong challenger, Elaine Lurie has already won that seat before.
• 27:12
  Um, there was a high probability that we were looking at nine two seats in Virginia without redistricting.
• 27:19
  And the Democrats spent 80 million dollars to get one seat.
• 27:25
  Now, if if that's a reflection on their profligacy, then I think that that's probably where it goes.
• 27:30
  But do they have the money to spend it?
• 27:32
  Or do they have the wherewithal to spend 80 million dollars in in three months?
• 27:36
  Sure, you could burn through a lot of cash that way.
• 27:39
  Um, does it buy votes?
• 27:40
  No, let's not let's not go down that rabbit hole.
• 27:43
  Um, but I think what it effectively does is for 22 million posted up against it.
• 27:48
  Like, look, I mean, we didn't get any support from from RNC, we didn't get any support from the White House.
• 27:54
  Um, we got very late support from former Governor Youncan after a Wall Street Journal article effectively bullied him into it.
• 28:00
  Him into it.
• 28:01
  Um, you know, at the end of the day, it was grassroots conservatives who bought their own signs, did their own work, knocked their own doors.
• 28:01
  You know, at the end of the day, it was grassroots conservatives who bought their own signs, did their own work, knocked their own doors.
• 28:09
  And we discovered, despite you know, the the failures of of our party apparatus and the weakness of everything else, that there's more strength in our friends and neighbors and our churches, the places we work, and the people we talk to than we realized.
• 28:09
  And we discovered, despite you know, the failures of of our party apparatus and the weakness of everything else, that there's more strength in our friends and neighbors and our churches, the places we work, and the people we talk to than we realized.
• 28:21
  So I think we can take a little bit of courage from the sake that Virginia is by no means a blue state.
• 28:21
  So I think we can take a little bit of courage for the sake that Virginia is by no means a blue state.
• 28:27
  It is a purple state.
• 28:27
  It is a purple state.
• 28:28
  And it's a state Republicans can.
• 28:28
  And it's a state Republicans can win when we work hard and when the grassroots are invited to the table.
• 28:34
  But when we go in for the air attack, as the Democrats did, um, you got to spend a lot of money to make it work.
• 28:40
  And they burned through a lot of cash to get to where they are today.
• 28:43
  I guess so.
• 28:45
  Well, you know, Sean, I drive a lot through uh the wine country in Loudoun County, and there was very few signs, but the ones that were there were the size of Chevy Suburbans.
• 28:58
  When you say wine country, is it W H I N E or is it W I N through the vineyards, the vineyards?
• 29:09
  Western Loudoon.
• 29:10
  I mean, it's still I think it's pretty much red there.
• 29:13
  It's you know, it's it's coming into the purple zone.
• 29:16
  But really, I mean, the the signs, there was very few, and I guess it's because of business too, you know, it depends on who's visiting the wineries.
• 29:24
  But the ones that were there with the size of suburbs, Chevy Suburbans, they would like you among, and they're still up there, by the way.
• 29:31
  I went through that a couple of days ago.
• 29:33
  They're not going anywhere.
• 29:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 29:35
  I mean, I tell you what, in uh, I mean, I live out towards Charlottesville, um, people's republic.
• 29:39
  Um, but I mean, in Albemarle County, which surrounds it, which is not exactly a Republican stronghold, the no signs are still up.
• 29:47
  Um, you know, I mean, it the the rural Virginia hasn't forgotten or forgiven any time soon.
• 29:52
  And again, there is a lot of resentment.
• 29:54
  I doubt those no signs are coming down in November.
• 29:57
  Um, you know, they're probably going to stick around another 18 months.
• 30:00
  But uh, yeah, I mean, the people who have opinions on this, they are sharp, they are heartfelt.
• 30:06
  Um, and to anger is probably too strong a word, but resolve, I think is what you're seeing from rural Virginians, um, and especially from Republicans.
• 30:14
  I mean, they know they were cheated, um, and they're going to have an opinion about it in November.
• 30:20
  That's a great thing, isn't it, Mike?
• 30:22
  Yeah, and I I would say I don't know if it's been passed or not, but they did they pass the increase in the hotel taxes.
• 30:30
  I I'm I'm you can go down the list, Sean.
• 30:33
  Go down the list of what they passed.
• 30:34
  Well, my gosh.
• 30:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:36
  They there's there's hotel taxes.
• 30:38
  There was a mattress tax that was uh that was proposed.
• 30:41
  I don't know if that one actually flew.
• 30:43
  Um there's second amendment restrictions.
• 30:45
  I mean, they've effectively got restrictions that are so broad that it's any semi-automatic uh or any firearm that can take a magazine over 15 rounds, um, is no longer you're no longer allowed to either open carry it or uh yeah, I mean it it's you can't, I mean, there are serious restrictions on open carry right now.
• 31:03
  Um, most of them are unconstitutional, but they're gonna they're gonna play the dice, you're gonna roll those dice anyway.
• 31:08
  Um, you know, it it runs the gamut on things that they've proposed and not proposed.
• 31:13
  I mean, the the biggest one, the one that's the most uh serious is uh is um collective bargaining.
• 31:21
  So Spamberger is, you know, again from New Jersey, her parents were were pro-union, and she's most certainly a product of that household.
• 31:30
  The uh the the collective bargaining would uh would allow uh localities to opt in to unionize their workforce.
• 31:36
  You're talking something, I mean Chesterville County is 200 million dollars to comply with that.
• 31:40
  Stafford and Spotsylvania are another 200 million each, and you're talking about localities that do not have access to an income tax.
• 31:47
  In Virginia, because of the antiquated way that we do taxation, it's all land and personal property.
• 31:54
  Yeah.
• 31:54
  So effectively what you have to do is you have to raise the personal property tax on fixed income retirees, on farmers, on people who can't afford the higher taxes.
• 32:04
  Um and and what happens?
• 32:07
  They end up selling the family farm, they end up selling the family home.
• 32:10
  Um, you know, it it it that the burden is just outrageous.
• 32:14
  I mean, you've got some localities right now that are looking at uh um something upward of 30, 40, 50 cents um in property tax uh hikes where you know typically the the property taxes themselves are somewhere in the 70 to 80 range.
• 32:26
  Um that the the the impact is absolutely ludicrous.
• 32:30
  And to make matters worse, localities across Virginia are having to set their budgets now.
• 32:36
  The Commonwealth of Virginia still hasn't set its budget.
• 32:38
  The House and Senate are two billion dollars apart, the governor's still trying to get her in and things in.
• 32:44
  So localities are having to set their budget because the because Richmond couldn't set its budget, and why couldn't they set their budget?
• 32:51
  Because they were all out campaigning for gerrymandering.
• 32:54
  And that's the tragedy of it all.
• 32:56
  You know, there is a long list of things she's going to do, but the reason I asked about the hotels is that struck me as a very strong sign that the governor really didn't give a damn about the people of Virginia.
• 33:10
  And that in the on the 250th anniversary of our country, Virginia is is kind of the home of America and has so many uh um, you know, not just battlefields, but homes and all the the uh leftover parts of the revolution are here.
• 33:30
  And it just seemed to me that was just a kick in the face to to the all the people who work in the tourism industry.
• 33:37
  And particularly the Colonial Williamsburg.
• 33:42
  So Tommy Norman, who is the state senator there for for years and years and years, uh, did his absolute utmost to protect Colonial Williamsburg from that sort of impact.
• 33:51
  I mean, as most people may or may not realize, uh Colonial Williamsburg's actually since COVID, it's had the same impact that every business has had.
• 33:57
  It's become more and more expensive to do business.
• 33:59
  There, they did a bit of restructuring that's enabled them to survive, but it's not the same experience that it was.
• 34:05
  And for for Richmond to come in there and make it a little bit more expensive, a little bit more difficult for working families to come and spend a weekend, um, only impacts the tourism industry there, and it impacts arguably what's a national gem.
• 34:18
  Uh, I think it's definitely a national gem.
• 34:21
  We go there either in January or February every year when it's a little bit quiet, but we've noticed this year included that it's uh they are having a lot of uh increases in in uh prices and restaurants and in the park itself.
• 34:36
  Uh and you'll notice too, it's like I mean, I I mean I wasn't around in 1976, but you kind of see the after effects.
• 34:43
  Uh I don't know about you guys.
• 34:44
  I'm not seeing a whole lot of celebration of America's 250.
• 34:48
  No, no, Sean, I saw Operation Sale underneath the Verizon Bridge.
• 34:53
  We camped out six in the morning.
• 34:55
  We we got our spots, we didn't move.
• 34:58
  I mean, it was wall-to-wall people watching operations of sale, the greatest thing you could ever see, all the saleships of around the world.
• 35:00
  People watching operations of sale, the greatest thing you could ever see, all the saleships of around the world.
• 35:06
  I mean, it was just fantastic.
• 35:06
  I mean, it was just fantastic.
• 35:08
  And it was a super celebration in the pull out sections, you know, in the newspapers or the magazines at the time.
• 35:08
  And it was a super celebration in the pull-out sections, you know, in the newspapers and the magazines at the time.
• 35:14
  Yeah, I still have a copy of one of them.
• 35:14
  Yeah, I still have a copy of one of them.
• 35:16
  I don't remember the newspaper, but I have a copy somewhere.
• 35:16
  I don't remember the newspaper, but I have a copy somewhere.
• 35:18
  I mean, we don't have that.
• 35:18
  I mean, we don't have that.
• 35:20
  And also, did you see with all the talented people you have in the schools that do artwork?
• 35:20
  And also, did you see with all the talented people you have in the schools that do artwork?
• 35:26
  What a tacky license plate.
• 35:26
  What a tacky license plate.
• 35:29
  Yeah.
• 35:29
  Yeah, they could.
• 35:30
  Oh, the VA250.
• 35:31
  I wrote about that somewhere on a blog, and I said, why can't you go to the high schools and let these kids do the artwork?
• 35:38
  We have the the drum and the the Fife one, you know, the Virginia one where it looks revolutionary war.
• 35:43
  You know, what one thing great about Virginia?
• 35:46
  They know how to do license plates.
• 35:47
  They're doing 21 million dollars a year.
• 35:50
  Pick your plate, you know, whatever you want.
• 35:52
  I mean, they have the best plates of all the 50 states.
• 35:55
  You can't get this much of a selection, but they couldn't do the Virginia 250 correct.
• 36:01
  Even Maryland did the 1812 the best when they had the war of 1812.
• 36:05
  Maryland did that.
• 36:06
  And I was surprised it passed through Maryland, you know, the War of 1812.
• 36:10
  People still have them on their car.
• 36:11
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• 39:06
  Go ahead.
• 39:07
  Well, we're gonna we were going to talk about something else in this, and I can't remember what it was.
• 39:13
  In this segment?
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  Yeah, I thought Sean had another article.
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• 39:18
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• 39:19
  Sure.
• 39:19
  So obviously, um, I mean, I think I think everybody saw what happened over the weekend with the White House correspondence dinner.
• 39:25
  Um, you know, the the whether you you you believe it was an assassination attempt, which is what the shooter uh wrote down and published in a manifesto, or whether you believe it was a hoax, um, which is the current line being peddled on Reddit and uh uh blue sky and other places.
• 39:44
  I I mean, like like it's it's uh look.
• 39:46
  I mean uh this is the third assassination attempt against President Trump in two years.
• 39:52
  Um this whole thing that we have to somehow devolve this into an abstraction of violence and say that, well, violence is really the problem, and both sides are somehow equally culpable.
• 40:02
  Um I think for most folks that's that's getting tired and worn down.
• 40:07
  At some point in time, we have to recognize that it's not the Republican Party that cheers the actions of the Luigi Mangi only.
• 40:14
  It's not the Republican Party that makes excuses for the near assassination of Steve Scalise.
• 40:19
  It's not the Republican Party um that offers you know, you know, free beer in the event that President Trump is assassinated.
• 40:27
  Umbrewery uh that uh Milwaukee, yes, Milwaukee.
• 40:31
  Yeah.
• 40:32
  I mean, I mean, look, I mean, it it's not it's not Republicans that burn down the the downtown districts of three dozen cities in 2017 and 2020, causing billions of dollars of property damage and harming dozens of of law enforcement professionals.
• 40:45
  They don't have time, Sean, they go to work.
• 40:47
  Well, you know, it's and and it's the and it's the it's that kind of work that's gonna rebuild those those places.
• 40:53
  Um I can tell you for a fact in Richmond, I mean, Richmond's just simply never recovered.
• 40:57
  I mean, that's like two out of every three storefronts is in downtown is just closed.
• 41:01
  There's just no because why would you invest a half million dollars into a place to get it up and running, only for a mob of teenagers to come in there and and and burn it down?
• 41:10
  So the uh you know, look, I mean, it's it this this thing about violence being both sides.
• 41:16
  This is not a case of whataboutism anymore.
• 41:18
  I think the political left needs to do a lot more introspection.
• 41:21
  When you get poll numbers saying that that half of Gen Z uh approves of what Luigi Mangion did.
• 41:28
  Um, when you get poll numbers showing that one out of four liberals believe that violence in the pursuit of political ends is acceptable, when only six percent of conservatives believe likewise, uh, that's a problem.
• 41:40
  When you have three assassination attempts in two years, that's a problem.
• 41:44
  When you have three dozen cities burnt down, uh, causing billions of dollars of property damage, that's a problem.
• 41:50
  If Republicans were doing likewise, we would be hearing about it non-stop, case in point, January 6th, which I I certainly don't approve of.
• 41:59
  That is not the way we should do things in America.
• 42:00
  The way we should do things in America.
• 42:02
  Um, the accelerationists work both sides.
• 42:02
  The accelerationists work both sides.
• 42:04
  I think we can all be adults and see that with clear eyes.
• 42:04
  I think we can all be adults and see that with clear eyes.
• 42:07
  But the bottom bottom line here is that uh, you know, the the the left has a violence problem.
• 42:07
  But the bottom line here is that the left has a violence problem.
• 42:13
  And so long as they continue to have that problem and they continue to refuse to address it, this does not get better.
• 42:13
  And so long as they continue to have that problem and they continue to refuse to address it, this does not get better.
• 42:20
  In fact, it gets worse.
• 42:20
  In fact, it gets worse.
• 42:22
  And so the real tension for Republicans, and I I know there's folks that that over a cup of coffee are saying this to the others, is like, well, if they can.
• 42:22
  And so the real tension for Republicans, and I know there's folks that over a cup of coffee are saying this to the others, is like, well, if they can do it, why don't we?
• 42:31
  My caution for those individuals and my hope is like, look, I mean, conservatives were the ones that ended the Soviet empire.
• 42:39
  Conservatives are the ones who who championed free markets, free minds and a free society and lifted billions of people out of poverty.
• 42:47
  Conservatives are the ones who would advance the second amendment in this country.
• 42:51
  Conservatives are the ones who trust their neighbors to uphold their own rights and the rights of those next to them to succumb to the temptation to match fire with fire, which is what the Democrats said that they were doing with redistricting in Virginia, right?
• 43:06
  They had to fight fire with fire.
• 43:07
  They had to beat Trump by being Trump somehow.
• 43:11
  Look where it's got them.
• 43:12
  We don't have to fight fire with fire.
• 43:14
  You know, good things drive out bad things.
• 43:17
  Good ideas drive out bad ideas.
• 43:19
  Good arguments drive out bad arguments.
• 43:22
  And so the solution to this is not to behave as the left.
• 43:25
  I think the RSUs is the double down on the things good, beautiful, and true.
• 43:29
  And if we do that, then I think we got a chance of restoring what's been lost over the last 20 years.
• 43:34
  And I know that we have the people to do that, and we have the voices to do that.
• 43:37
  So that's my bit of encouragement.
• 43:39
  Um the fighting fire with fire does not fix a thing.
• 43:43
  All it does is reduce the world to ashes.
• 43:45
  And I think our children and our grandchildren deserve better than that.
• 43:50
  Well, no matter where the left was, it in any part of history, it was always violence.
• 43:56
  You take the Bolsheviks, you take the Marxist who came into Columbia University after World War II, right?
• 44:03
  But he sounds like Bastiat today.
• 44:05
  He sounds like Murray Rothbard.
• 44:08
  Yeah.
• 44:09
  Which nobody reads anymore.
• 44:10
  I mean, I wish, I mean, that's the you know, for like political stuff.
• 44:13
  There's I'm Nicomuche and Ethics by Aristotle, but like that's the one book at Thorston Everybody's hands.
• 44:17
  But Bastiat would be right there, the law.
• 44:19
  Read that it's it's a it takes you an hour, and it will completely change your viewpoints on that on world and government and how things should go.
• 44:27
  Um you imagine, can you imagine if like a social studies, I don't know what they call it today, middle school or high school, or even let's say first year college, community college, you you had to do a report on Bastia.
• 44:41
  I mean, it's it's probably insane thinking.
• 44:43
  But you would think George Mason might even pull it off, George Mason University, right?
• 44:47
  But you know, I remember when George Mason, Sean was like in Nova, sure George Mason was like, it looked like a giant high school.
• 44:55
  Yeah, now it's one of the largest schools in the commonwealth.
• 44:58
  Uh but here's the thing, Colonel, and and this is the sad fact of the matter.
• 45:02
  Most of your college undergraduates nowadays are going to feed it through chat GPT and ask AI to write the paper.
• 45:08
  Oh, yeah.
• 45:09
  Nobody wants to engage with big ideas anymore.
• 45:12
  And think about it.
• 45:13
  We have George Mason who came from Northern Virginia.
• 45:16
  We have George Mason University.
• 45:18
  We had all these founders.
• 45:20
  Yeah, I mean, we had great people in this state, you know, going back to the uh post-constitution time and in and even during the constitution.
• 45:29
  And you say to yourself, like, how did they get so wacky?
• 45:32
  Well, you know, you just import all the wackiness.
• 45:34
  But again, it's all education.
• 45:36
  Mike talks about it all the time.
• 45:38
  And it's all education.
• 45:39
  And if it means you're going to have to take kids out of school out of public uh education, well, that's what it means.
• 45:45
  You look at these immigrants who come here, Sean, into Northern Virginia, or even now they're down at Richmond, Chesterfield, whatnot.
• 45:52
  Okay, what do they do?
• 45:54
  After school, it's not just sports.
• 45:56
  They go to math tutors, they're going to uh computer tutors, and then these kids become the spelly bee geniuses, you know, around around the globe.
• 46:05
  I mean, it's just they the Chinese and the Indian communities in America invest in after school more than they do in sports.
• 46:14
  And that's where they excel.
• 46:16
  And that's what happens.
• 46:17
  And we have to do that as American people.
• 46:20
  We have to push that.
• 46:22
  Yeah, I mean, I'm uh look, I'm a huge believer of education.
• 46:25
  I don't think an education consists of credentials.
• 46:28
  Um, the truly educated never graduate.
• 46:32
  Um, you know, continuing to improve your mind, continue to, I mean, that's what the Greeks um consider to be the highest form of freedom.
• 46:39
  So um, and we've lost a bit of that.
• 46:41
  I mean, the other parts of the world, I mean, I think that the you know, education is the one thing they can never steal from you, right?
• 46:46
  They can take your house, they can take your car, they can take everything else away, but they can never steal your education.
• 46:51
  Um, and we've gotten away from that.
• 46:52
  And uh, whether you can point the finger at public education, whether you point the finger at modern-day commercialism, the disease is all has the same cure, right?
• 47:01
  It's it's it's to improve one's mind uh and uh to improve the discourse around you.
• 47:07
  And failing that, um, you know, I mean, Thucydides teaches this very clearly, right?
• 47:12
  I mean, the the with without democracy, democracies are always prone to demagogues, and we seem to be surrounded by a great many demagogues today.
• 47:21
  Um, and they do us no service, and they do our children no service, quite frankly.
• 47:27
  Go ahead, Mike.
• 47:28
  Yeah, well, it's it just goes on forever, you know.
• 47:31
  When you you see what the schools are doing, we had uh somebody last fall, I think, come on the program and say that uh there's a number of states who have forbidden critical um thinking, the teaching of critical thinking in high schools and and in grammar schools now.
• 47:50
  Uh it it's an amazing uh lack of common sense in this country.
• 47:55
  That's that's it's been generations long.
• 47:59
  One of the problems we have is that there's probably families where the uh even the parents aren't competent to help the children because they've been educated in this system that is clearly broken.
• 48:12
  And uh whether whether Virginia can do something about that in the long run, or or anybody in this uh in this country can do that in the long run.
• 48:21
  Uh is a question.
• 48:23
  Yeah, it's interesting.
• 48:24
  I mean, Colonel Mike mentioned earlier, it's like you have these great schools like George Mason and um certainly, you know, George Mason, uh, you know, I mean, his name is still on the wall, but we've got other schools in Virginia, Patrick Henry, for instance, uh community college, there is no Patrick Henry Community College anymore.
• 48:39
  John Tyler Community College, there is no John Tyler Community College anymore.
• 48:44
  Even Thomas Jefferson at the University of Virginia, it's still a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not his statue will remain in front of the rotunda um at his own university, right?
• 48:55
  Um and when you start whitewashing the public square of our heroes uh and our examples, um, it's very difficult to instill excellence in a young man or a young woman's mind.
• 49:00
  Um it's very difficult to instill excellence in a young man or a young woman's mind.
• 49:04
  And that right there, um, you know, I'm a big big fan of Roger Scruton and beautiful spaces and architecture and the things that they sort of um connote to to to the rest of us.
• 49:04
  And that right there, um, you know, I'm a big big fan of Roger Scruton and beautiful spaces and architecture and the things that they sort of um connote to to to the rest of us, but um, you know, the the critical thinking portion that you mentioned, when logic becomes a tool of quote unquote white supremacy, unquote, um, and uh other methods of reasoning, such as getting around and sharing our feelings.
• 49:16
  But um, you know, the the critical thinking portion that you mentioned when logic becomes a tool of quote unquote white supremacy, unquote, um, and uh other methods of reasoning, such as getting around and sharing our feelings becomes the uh the antidote to logic.
• 49:33
  Um you see feel see and feel the age of reason um slipping into the age of of feelings, and that's I mean, I'm sorry, your your cars, modern technology, all the advances of modern science, your healthcare industry doesn't run on feelings, they run on facts.
• 49:53
  By the way, we still have Lord Fairfax Community College out near Middletown, I think Virginia right now.
• 49:59
  Uh much longer.
• 50:03
  No, but seriously, we still have a lot of the Lord Fairfax and so on.
• 50:08
  This this state just has a you know, it's like Pennsylvania, it's got great history, you know, all the uh the famous people, somewhere or another, there's a sign for somebody somewhere, you know.
• 50:18
  These uh these road signs, these national signs.
• 50:21
  And I and I like them.
• 50:22
  I kind of like them.
• 50:22
  I pull over sometimes just to read them.
• 50:25
  But I think uh, you know, you have believe it or not, Sean up in Washington County, Maryland, which is it's still blue.
• 50:33
  It's going to there's the last two, it's Allegheny and Car and Garrett County on the western side of Maryland, which is red.
• 50:39
  You still have Civil War signs where people travel through, you know, the uh the Confederates, and I'm amazed that they would still have them there.
• 50:47
  But I guess you know, they look at it as at a viewpoint of like, oh, it makes us money, somebody's gonna stop for ice cream.
• 50:54
  I mean, I look, I'm a Fredericksburg native, so I uh I actually went to school on Marie Heights, and so when they're talking about the Civil War, the Battle of Fredericksburg, it's always like, well, when you walk home today, you'll go over the sunken road, um, and you'll see exactly what uh what the battle was like.
• 51:09
  And you walk past the Kirkland Monument and all that.
• 51:12
  I mean, Virginia and Fredericksburg were just soaked in history.
• 51:14
  So yeah.
• 51:18
  You know, for for the for the state to turn its ire against Robert E.
• 51:23
  Lee, easily one of the best, the most heroic or most important uh top 10 of American history.
• 51:31
  These people make themselves look like asses, uh stupid people, the way they do things.
• 51:37
  They tie everything to race, and uh it's just you know, the destroying the uh uh the road in the I'm sorry, the avenue in uh in Richmond, where they took down all those beautiful statues and and not only beautiful, but for very lucrative in the sense of tourism.
• 51:58
  Sure.
• 51:59
  These are not serious people, these these are foolish ideologues.
• 52:05
  It's funny you mentioned that.
• 52:06
  I mean, we we joke now in Richmond is that's just the avenue.
• 52:10
  Um but there it is.
• 52:13
  Is Christopher Caldwell um wrote in the pages of the Claremont Review a few years back?
• 52:18
  Um, and he actually went through all that as like the what those those monuments meant.
• 52:22
  I mean, when when you're it's it's you say Confederate statues.
• 52:25
  I mean, Jefferson Davis, okay, you know, take or leave.
• 52:28
  When you're tearing down the statues that Matthew Fontaine Maury, yeah, Pathfinder of the Seas.
• 52:34
  When you're when you're you're you're you're eyeballing the George Washington monument uh on Capitol Square, when um the Dr.
• 52:41
  McGuire, for instance, who founded uh the medical college of Virginia, um, his sin was that he was unfortunately uh Snow Mall Jackson's uh uh doctor.
• 52:51
  Um when you're going after men like that, um, that just strikes me as a sort.
• 52:56
  And and the interesting thing that Caldwell brings up in this article um uh in the Claremont Review is is that at the time it was really these these monuments, whether it was the silent Sam or whether it's to to Robert E.
• 53:07
  Lee, which the his statue was built well before uh uh Jim Crow.
• 53:12
  Um but uh you know, these were the the monuments to civility.
• 53:17
  These were the monuments that allowed the North and the South to speak again.
• 53:20
  These are the monuments that um sort of uh you know settled the the questions you know regarding uh what the war was actually about and what the sacrifice meant.
• 53:30
  Um those monuments to civility are gone.
• 53:33
  Yep.
• 53:34
  The Democrats really since the 60s, the Democrats have waged war in the South.
• 53:40
  Yeah, and and to bring matters more to a point.
• 53:42
  I mean, we we we sent people like Charlie Kirk to college campuses to have conversations, civil conversations.
• 53:48
  Yes, and they shot him.
• 53:50
  Um so the the we've sent our emissaries and they've been shot at.
• 53:54
  We've sent uh we had our monuments to civility, they're gone.
• 53:58
  Um we've eradicated the great men from society.
• 54:00
  And by the way, these monuments to civility do not stop with Civil War monuments, as we've already seen.
• 54:05
  Right.
• 54:05
  Um they do indeed extend to our founding fathers.
• 54:08
  I mean, Patrick Henry's name is gone, John Tyler's name, the last of the founders, is gone.
• 54:13
  Um, you know, you know, it's and and and they've made it very clear that they find Jefferson and Washington problematic.
• 54:20
  So this was not necessarily, I mean, the the the angle that uh, you know, the the the this is about race and slavery and things of this nature, uh, you know, sure, persuade me with argument, but do not persuade me with force.
• 54:33
  Well, they're not gonna do that to Stonewall down in Winchester, Virginia, Sean, because that's a big brown sign, national sign, and everybody loves it.
• 54:42
  Mike, we got two minutes, so go for it.
• 54:43
  Every up.
• 54:44
  You know, I all I was gonna say really is that uh it's it's it's really hard to ever imagine a full reconciliation now between North and South, because the the way they treat the Civil War as a war against slavery is such a bold lie.
• 55:02
  You know, Lincoln could not have gotten a core of infantry, let alone later 12 or 13th Corps of Infantry if if he had said we're gonna free the slaves at the at the at the start of the war.
• 55:13
  But now everything attached to the Civil War, it's not seen as a human struggle.
• 55:20
  It's it's a it's seen it's seen as uh something to protect slavery.
• 55:27
  And no one teaches the fact that we had numerable times where we had so much money that we could have ended slavery by purchase of the slaves and and re restored to them to their homes.
• 55:40
  But it the poisonousness of history taught in universities in high schools, in probably in grammar schools, is so thorough.
• 55:51
  And now we're in a situation where parents are educated the same way and grandparents, and it becomes ingrained over over generations that this is true.
• 56:03
  All right, Michael, thank you so much.
• 56:03
  All right, Michael, thank you so much.
• 56:05
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• 56:05
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• 56:40
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• 56:41
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• 56:42
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• 56:42
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