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Patriots Catch-22 8/29: 53-Man Roster Analysis, Jacoby Brissett News, Drake Mayes Progress · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. I remember when
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  Speaker 1: when they came here for joint practice last year, Like
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  Speaker 1: he did a scrump. Yes, but he was like he
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  Speaker 1: was kind of confused as to while the reporters were
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  Speaker 1: talking to him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. It was I think he always
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  Speaker 2: was confused. That's just Robbie Anderson's face. Did I ever
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  Speaker 2: tell you that I saw Robbie Anderson in Aruba one time?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was walking out of a hotel and uh
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I saw you Donnas HASLM and a Dunkin Donuts
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  Speaker 1: No, no, at the time, he was like this would
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  Speaker 1: just not old enough for the first, right one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we Joe Mizzoula at Patriots practice. Joe Mazola is here today.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have to get on the rails because
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  Speaker 2: we don't have as much time as we normally do.
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  Speaker 2: I we have to be an hour and thirty a
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  Speaker 2: little tighter today because it's my fault, Evan's responsibility for it. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it, because that was totally off topic
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  Speaker 2: and had nothing to do with what we were starting
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  Speaker 2: the show with today.
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  Speaker 1: Would you even mentioned we're using the other set.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that too, We're gonna use the other set. Today
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  Speaker 2: is just a busy day here, as you guys can
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  Speaker 2: imagine atcha led stadium. So this is our our for
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  Speaker 2: people that don't watch unfilter, which I doubt is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that don't watch both shows. But this
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  Speaker 2: is our usually our unfiltered setup, This lounge set up here,
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  Speaker 2: that's growing on me. I'm more comfortable in the chairs
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  Speaker 2: and everything and I than I was at first. So
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna use this set up today, just a little
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  Speaker 2: bit easier. And on that note, let's get to the
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  Speaker 2: news of the day.
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  Speaker 1: People in the chat think you have your own vacation
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  Speaker 1: house in Aruba.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I mooch off my parents and that's about it.
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  Speaker 2: Who mooched off their parents? And that's about it anyways.
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  Speaker 2: News of the day, uh gerd Mayo naming Jacoby Brissett
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots starting quarterback for the season. We'll get to
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  Speaker 2: that in the second. Yeah, obviously that's a loose term.
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  Speaker 2: I want to start by saying this. I know there's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of people out there today, probably
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  Speaker 2: on your station, that are going to be critical of
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  Speaker 2: how this whole situation was handled in terms of this
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  Speaker 2: a thirty am press conference. Obviously, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: local media here that weren't too pleased that the national
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  Speaker 2: guys broke the story twenty minutes before the press conference.
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  Speaker 2: I totally understand that there's an element to all of
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  Speaker 2: this public facing element to this that fans and media types,
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  Speaker 2: probably maybe more media types even than fans, are going
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  Speaker 2: to critique. And it was inefficient. It probably could have
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  Speaker 2: been handled a little bit better in terms of that.
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  Speaker 2: But I honestly I try not to be selfish about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this morning, I was fired up about it
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  Speaker 2: just as much as anybody that I had to come
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  Speaker 2: here at eight thirty this morning. And you always do
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  Speaker 2: a good job of not letting me get away with
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  Speaker 2: those types of things at work on it, right, you know, don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get bogged down by that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff on this show, because at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, the most important thing is is that this
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  Speaker 2: does feel like the right football decision for the team
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  Speaker 2: right now in week one. But it almost misses the
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  Speaker 2: mark to me to a criticize the press conference and
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  Speaker 2: how all that went down, like, who the heck cares like?
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  Speaker 2: Really and b The decision to start Jakobe were sent
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  Speaker 2: almost misses the mark to me as well a little
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  Speaker 2: bit if you're gonna be critical of that, and it's
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  Speaker 2: in a vacuum in itself, because the biggest thing, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to be critical and I want to be
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  Speaker 2: here for a second, is the reason why we're in
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  Speaker 2: this position that Jacoby Brissett is starting and Drake May
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  Speaker 2: isn't starting, is because Elliott Wolf and the Patriots front
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  Speaker 2: office did not do a good enough job in the
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  Speaker 2: offseason with this offensive line. Like that's why we're here.
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  Speaker 2: If the pay Pots and the Bears switched quarterbacks and
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  Speaker 2: Caleb was here and Drake May was there still first
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  Speaker 2: and third overall, right, just switched quarterbacks. Drake May is
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  Speaker 2: starting in Chicago week one. Yes, he's starting in Chicago
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  Speaker 2: week one, and it'll be interesting to see. It's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a litmus test. The Commanders have a
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  Speaker 2: similar roster to the Patriots. They have Terry McLaurin, but
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line kind of stinks, and outside of Terry McLaurin,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: Goings have a much more mobile quarterback now that Drake
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  Speaker 1: May is not mobile.
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  Speaker 2: He's more mobile in a different way though he's like
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  Speaker 2: in structure mobile. Drake May I think is a better
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  Speaker 2: improviser than Jayden Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels better running away from people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I guess my criticism is not about
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  Speaker 2: the press conference or the fact that I had to
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  Speaker 2: wake up early to get here on time, because you're right,
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  Speaker 2: like that that stuff is selfish, like that stuff is
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  Speaker 2: not Yes, that stuff is not well, not really, because
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  Speaker 2: we don't really do nine to five.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: The one time you have to do ninth to five criticised,
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  Speaker 2: which is nine to four. And where I get angry
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  Speaker 2: about this whole situation is that they did not set
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  Speaker 2: up the roster in a position where rookie quarterback could succeed.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where I feel like we should be pointing
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  Speaker 2: our criticisms, not to the fact that they called a
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  Speaker 2: press conference at eight thirty in the morning, like, get
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  Speaker 2: over it. The fact of the matter is is that
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  Speaker 2: this offensive line and the weight was handled in the
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  Speaker 2: offseason was not good enough. Their big signing and I
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  Speaker 2: put that other than Mike on winning, which is a
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  Speaker 2: retained right. They're a big external addition, and I put
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  Speaker 2: that in air quotes because big is very subjective. Was
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  Speaker 2: Chuk Sakora for who was in the preseason game last
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  Speaker 2: week against the Commanders, probably their worst lineman in that game,
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  Speaker 2: didn't look like a Rosterbull player, not even just probably.
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  Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, and now we're at a point where
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  Speaker 2: Gerrodmeo is going up there on and he kind of
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  Speaker 2: reiterated the same sentiment today, what's best for the team
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  Speaker 2: and the short term might not necessarily be what's best
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  Speaker 2: for the team in the long term. And then he
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  Speaker 2: also said that prioritizing winning games in the short term
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  Speaker 2: is not necessarily what's best for the team in the
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  Speaker 2: long term, right, And so basically what he's telling you
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  Speaker 2: is is, I think Drake may is a better quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I know that Drake may is the future of the team,
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  Speaker 2: regardless if he's better today or tomorrow. But we're not
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  Speaker 2: ready for him. And the fact that they're not ready
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  Speaker 2: to play Drake made to me is a critique on
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  Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf in the personnel department.
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  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I would say, though, like
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  Speaker 1: you should know as drawd Mayo coming in that that's
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  Speaker 1: the case. The offensive line should not have snuck up
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  Speaker 1: on anybody's surprise by how bad it is. Maybe it did,
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  Speaker 1: it shouldn't have. I still go back to and this
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  Speaker 1: is a question I get a lot. Why did Rod
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  Speaker 1: may keep calling it a competition if that clearly wasn't
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  Speaker 1: happening and we did this last year with Mac Jones
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  Speaker 1: and Bailey z Appy again, you want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: my station saying like, oh, it's a quarterback competition because
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  Speaker 1: Bill said they're both competing, but like that's coach speak
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  Speaker 1: for participating. Yeah, a quarterback competition is an actual, like
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  Speaker 1: tangible thing you can define where both or any position battle,
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  Speaker 1: but like at quarterback, both players are getting opportunities with
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  Speaker 1: the whatever unit you know, top unit in this case,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be equal fifty to fifty,
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  Speaker 1: but close things like that. There was never competition, And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like if Girod Mayo had just said that
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  Speaker 1: or not said that from the beginning, you wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: the circus. Maybe you don't even have this press conference
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  Speaker 1: today because outside of that one thing, I think we
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  Speaker 1: all pretty much knew Jacoby Brissette was starting. If they
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  Speaker 1: had just gone through without this press conference, we would
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  Speaker 1: have all assumed it was Jacoby Brissett and we won, right,
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  Speaker 1: So if if they just hadn't labeled it a competition,
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: and this is perfect for this show because half of
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: our arguments we're making the same point. We're just arguing
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  Speaker 1: the semantics of the argument, and it's a semantics thing.
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  Speaker 1: There never was a quarterback competition, so there was no
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  Speaker 1: competition for Drake Made to win, So naming Drake made
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  Speaker 1: the starter or sorry, there was no competition for Drake
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  Speaker 1: Made to win, so named Jacoby Brissett the starter, in
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  Speaker 1: some ways is redundant. I guess they're unnecessary. But they
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  Speaker 1: called it a competition, so you had to go through
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing. They could have avoided that by just
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  Speaker 1: not calling it a competition. That part I still don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I understand wanting Drake May to compete, and I think
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  Speaker 1: there was a competition in the sense that he would.
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  Speaker 1: It's Drake against time. He's competing to show the coaches
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  Speaker 1: and also the other guys on the roster that he
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  Speaker 1: can be the starter sooner rather than later, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's not week one, and I think he did that
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  Speaker 1: in that sense. I think he won the competition. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: I came in talking about Halloween. I came in talking
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  Speaker 1: about weeks eleven, twelve, thirteen. Now I'm sitting here telling
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  Speaker 1: you weeks five or six, because I think he showed
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  Speaker 1: tremendous growth over camp. But that's not what a competition is.
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  Speaker 1: In leaving the door open for week one as much
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  Speaker 1: as they did, I understand you want to have an
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: element of nothing's given, everything's earned. Every job is up
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  Speaker 1: for grabs. You're coming in here every day. We want
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: you earning that roster spot. Right, Success isn't success isn't given.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: It's whatever it is least and wrenches do every day.
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  Speaker 1: That's stupid cliche. Yeah right, I get that. But also
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point, now you've created a circus and
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  Speaker 1: a distraction around the team that you probably didn't need
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  Speaker 1: to create.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And I actually again, I'll probably
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: a little inside baseball, but I went up to Jacolebrisett
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  Speaker 2: in the locker room after we talked to him today
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  Speaker 2: in the scrum, and I was like, I guess congratulation,
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  Speaker 2: Like it was sort of awkward to even congratulate him
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  Speaker 2: because he had been running with the ones all summer,
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  Speaker 2: and like, to your point, the only way that it's
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: something were to change, would have been out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 2: like it would have been at a left field, And
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you. I feel like the press conference
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  Speaker 2: this morning was put in place because they didn't want
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  Speaker 2: it to look like Girod wasn't going to be accountable
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  Speaker 2: for the decision, right, and so they wanted he wanted
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: to be out there, he wanted to announce it, he
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to answer a few of the top questions about
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  Speaker 2: the situation, so it wasn't looking like he was kind
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: of running away from the media on the subject. But
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: would any of us have been all that bothered by
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: the fact that Ian and Adam Schefter tweeted it out, said,
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: you know this breaking news per sources, Jacoby Brissett Patriots
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: Week one starter maybe on Patriots dot com. At that point,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: we do some sort of release about it too, you know,
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: an article or just a tweet even just to say
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  Speaker 2: QB one Jacoby Brissett, and we all we didn't even
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  Speaker 2: need this press conference, right, like, we didn't even need
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  Speaker 2: to go through this. It felt like they were calling
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  Speaker 2: a press conference for a formality and that was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit awkward too. So I agree with that's sort
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  Speaker 2: of your point where like it was making something out
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  Speaker 2: of it, like out of thin air that it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: didn't really even it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was they created this whole saga. They
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  Speaker 1: created it, and so you needed an end to it.
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  Speaker 1: You needed to put a cap on it. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it got to the point where, like I said before,
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  Speaker 1: if they hadn't said anything, I think you could have
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  Speaker 1: just gone on. We all would have assumed. Ninety percent
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: of us would have assumed Jacob sets a starter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it would have gone in a week one and
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: we would have been like, hey, starting, Okay, that's what
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  Speaker 1: it looks like all along. But I think when they
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: opened the door a little bit, they then felt they
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: need to close the door because game week, do you
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: want it lingering over the team? You know? Do they
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: want Wednesday, Thursday, Friday us coming in? So who's the starter?
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  Speaker 1: What's it looked like?
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  Speaker 2: And they also can this is something that Bill did
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  Speaker 2: towards the end that I disagreed with as well. They
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  Speaker 2: can't force the players to speak on behalf of the coach.
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  Speaker 2: So like what happens is if you don't do a
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  Speaker 2: significant if you don't tell people Dutch Koe pursays, the
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  Speaker 2: starting you just kind of you know, Mosey. Then every
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  Speaker 2: single time we talk to the players, it's that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be wherever. Do you know who's starting? Do you know
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  Speaker 2: who's starting? And that's sort of what happened with Mac
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  Speaker 2: Jones and Bailey Zappy. So I get wanting to have
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  Speaker 2: like kind of a united front and having Gerard Mayo
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  Speaker 2: be the one that is actually all really fitting. I
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk too much about all this politics
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: stuff though, because that that's not this show. Like this
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: show is about the about the football minutia. But the
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  Speaker 2: last thing I'll just say about it and then we can,
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  Speaker 2: I you know, want to make a different point, but
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  Speaker 2: it's unrelated to this whole all this stuff. I just
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: want to hammer home the fact that to me, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is Elliot Wolfe's fault. This is Elliot Wolf's
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  Speaker 2: fault that we're at this point because if you ask me,
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  Speaker 2: you went, you said that this is sort of the
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: plan all along and that sort of thing. Totally agree
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  Speaker 2: with you. I actually think Drake may exceeded expectations internally.
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  Speaker 1: I did externally also, Frankly, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that they were prepared to red shirt him
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  Speaker 2: for the entire season. They knew the roster probably wasn't
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: gonna be close enough to compete anyways, and he had
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  Speaker 2: all these issues that they were gonna have to work
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  Speaker 2: through and they were gonna have to build them up
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  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And then he got
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: they got into camp, and at the beginning of camp
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  Speaker 2: it actually looked like we were trending towards that. Then
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Eagles preseason game happens. The
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  Speaker 2: light switch flips on, and he's like a different guy
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  Speaker 2: after that, and all in Girodmeo turned into a believer,
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  Speaker 2: Like he convinced grod Mayo that this was a true competition.
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  Speaker 2: I really do believe that. And at that point it
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: was kind of like, all right, it's too you know,
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  Speaker 2: we got to be a little bit more open minded
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  Speaker 2: about potentially playing Drake made sooner than we expected, and
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: maybe that took them a little bit by surprise. But
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: the main thing I really feel, and this is what,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of my big take on this, This
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  Speaker 2: to me is is Elliot Wolf in the personnel Department's fault,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: because if they had properly equipped this off defensive line
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: to support a rookie quarterback. Then Drake May's ascension happens
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: exactly the same way, and he's and he's in their
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Week one against the Bengals because you feel like you
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: can adequately support him on the field. And they can't
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: tell us that they feel that way anymore, because then
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: there's no reason for the guy that per the head
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  Speaker 2: coach outplayed the other guy in the summer, and clearly
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: to all of us that are watching him can see
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  Speaker 2: that he's the more talented guy, at least at the
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  Speaker 2: very least. I don't know about all the mental stuff,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, all that kind of thing, but he's
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: easily the most talented guy. And now you're telling us
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  Speaker 2: that he's not starting, Well, he's not starting because of
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: your roster like that, that's why he's not starting.
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  Speaker 1: How much of that do you think was just the
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: default defaulting to the Packer way and you know, we
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: don't play quarterbacks right away and just assuming they were
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: gonna redshirt him. Look, I'm with you. Everybody knows where
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I am, and I'm sick of hearing them. What would
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Joan Williams have done that These guys don't line up
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: literally line up on sides. Yeah, that's what he would
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  Speaker 1: have done. That's where the bar is right now for
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  Speaker 1: this offensive line coming off of Sunday Night. I know
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you don't think it was maybe as bad as some
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: people are making it out to be because they were
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  Speaker 1: setting some blocks and they were making some plays on tape.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with that. But if you can't
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: get the ball snapped and you can't line up correctly,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: nothing you do after that matters. Right, Yeah, the microphone
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: could be over here, Evan. We can do a great podcast,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna sound like crap because we're not lined
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: up correctly. So hopefully people could hear that. I try
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: to project a little more to make my point, but
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: that is my point, Like you see what I'm doing.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: That came through. We're good. Yeah, all right, perfect, So
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: people get my point. So yeah, it would have been
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: nice if they invested more in this. It would have
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: been nice. And look, I like Jalen Polk. I think
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: he's a good player. I still go back to tackles.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Should have been the second pick and especially there, or
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: be more aggressive moving up. You know, It's like Caden
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Walls too. There are other tackles like more or not
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: even more, just left tackles the guys who had played
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the left side, and then you can put Chucks o
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: core four he's comfortable, and put Mike and WNDU over
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: there or something like it's a lot more clear cut
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: and he might play over there anyway. But that puts
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: puts Chukes on the left side, you lose that third
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: round pack or he's not like a factor in it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: So no, they was Sodo this offseason or last off season.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: That was last off okay, which is when I also
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: want to for those who remember that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Sodo meant signed one draft win and when it came
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: to the plan.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad you brought that up because I wanted
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to bring that back to that for a second as well,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: because as much as I am not trying to I
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: have said its Elliott Wolf's fault, like I'm not trying
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: to make excuses for anybody, but really this started with
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: tackle years ago, and just to kind of hone him
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: on recent it really started last off season because the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: last off season in the draft, they didn't draft to tackle.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: They drafted a two guards in the center.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Well remember City so was supposed to play tackle.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: That was the That was their full crap with that
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: took Jake Andrews is on injured reserve. Antonio Maffi's gone. Yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Chad Ryland, your fourth round pick gone, who's drafted just
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: ahead of Duwan Jones. Yeah, so Bill didn't kick the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: can down.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: We did this a couple of weeks ago. This all
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: goes back to when Solder left in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and they basically used Trent Brown as a stopgap for
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: years and years and years so they could fill other
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: positions which they didn't need to fill. But the eventually
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they ran out of stopgap years on Trent Brown.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: So when we I believe it was the show after
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the joint practice, Yeah, and I was pretty upset, right,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I was pretty upset with appalled, I guess this is
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a better word of what I saw in that practice.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And I remember saying to you something along the lines of,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: we are at this point now that they can't play
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Drake Made, even if he's the best quarterback because of
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: how terrible they are up front. And when when Alex
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Van Pelt says that Jacoby Brisset is better equipped to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: handle pressure because he knows the tools and the offense
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to get them in and out of things, or to
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: read hots or whatever the case may be. And this
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: is so much better. You know, he's so much better
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: at all of that. It's like, well, that's also just
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: a big factor because he can't block anybody, or to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: your point, you can't even line up right. So like
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it just that's the frustrating part that I have right
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: now as a Patriots fan. It's not the press conference,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: it's not how the announcement was handled. It was the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: fact that they never were put Drake May in a
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: position to actually win this job, and they never gave
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Drake May a chance to play early on in a
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: play week one because the roster's not ready for him.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So to kind of put a cap on that point,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: because I don't think either one of us has said
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: this yet definitively, and I do think it needs to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: be said. Starting Jacoby Brissett week one is the right call.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I thought it said off at the time.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Say okay, I'm not. I'm glad you just bring it
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: back up. If I didn't, it's the right football like
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: just just.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And because I think some people are losing track of
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: this point, you can be disappoint I did. Yeah, that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you don't get to see Drake May. You can absolutely
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: be disappointed and upset by that. And you know some
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of the points we're making and look at why this happened,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and also acknowledge here's where they are. We can't change
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: any of that. We can't They can't go back and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: redo the moves in the offseason and add offensive linemen.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: But this is the right move. The team's not ready
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: for May yet. I also do think it helps me
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit to see things behind the scenes. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Matt Dahl, if my call off at ninety eight, my call,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you get ninety eight five to the sportsub dot Com
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: has made this point a couple times. It's a very
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: good point. What can so People say, Oh, you're not
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: gonna ruin May by putting him into early. You can't
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: ruin a quarterback by playing him to early, which I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: don't think is true, but people make that point, Okay,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: can you ruin a quarterback by sitting him? Like? What
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: detrimental could happen to Drake May from him sitting? There's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: one sort of answer that I think is legitimate to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that question, which is, well, does he become frustrated with
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the coaching after the franchise. Yeah, Drake May does not
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: seem like that kind of guy, if anything else, so
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: far the other way.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Four or five years, regardless of if he's frustrated or not,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Like he's under contract, we don't want.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Him to check out. But like, no, I hear what
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you're saying, and he does not remotely seem like that
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: kind of guy at all. If anything, he seems that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: kind of guy maybe likes a fire under him in
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a good way. So you're not losing anything, Like none
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of us are into the illusion that they're contending this
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: year even with him, you're not losing anything by not
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: playing him. There really is no downside. There's no not
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a ton of upsides to not playing him, but there's
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: no downside to it. You just make sure he stays
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: healthy and you allow him to develop a little bit
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: more well. And this is another one I tweeted out
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this morning that Okay, well, you know this gives them
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: time to figure things out on the offense. People world,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: what are they figuring out? You know, I can figure
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: out the line. It sucks, you know, he could figure
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: out the receivers. It sucks. Oh, to an extent. We talked,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: We talked about this A lot has to be a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: best five. Yeah, I don't know that the best five.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I want to get to that in a second. But
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: so I don't know what the.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Best five is. Good? Yeah, but there has like there
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: has to by definition be a best five. R Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It at least gives you time to find that. It
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: gives Jalen Polk and maybe Jamon Baker some time to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: develop and become a little bit better as weapons. It
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: gives you time for City So to get healthy, for
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry to get healthy, for Darian Low to get healthy. Like,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: thinking they'll make no progress regardless of the quarterback from
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: week one to week eighteen is crazy, will it. It
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: might not be monumental progress. It still might not put
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: them in a spot where they're going to be a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: top ten offense in the NFL. It won't, but they'll
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: start to figure a few things out and that can
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: only help Drake May once he does become the starter.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: So there's two ways I want to go about this.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: The first one, I think is what you just said,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: So I'll just go there directly. Now it's twofold one.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: They need to figure out how they're going to move
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the ball offensively. And I know that sounds so rudimentary
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and like or elementary, baby, the better tear before it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: But they literally need to figure out what are they
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: good at on offense. That take away Drake May is
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: like you know the kJ Osborne touchdown that never was
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: like take away the off script.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Oh they took that away. We don't need to take
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that away for him. Mavin Jukes took that away.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Do you think out of all people who I have
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: been waiting since April, since April to see Drake May
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: roll to his left throw back across the field fifty
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: yards down the field for a touchdown. I've been waiting
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: since January to see that play. And as it's unfolding,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I see the flag going the air, and I see
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Drake May hunch over in disgust and just be like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I know what the flag is for already. I know
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: this doesn't count. It still counts in my in our eyes. Okay,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: we all still saw it happen.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: You know what I kept thinking of immediately after that play.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Remember the clip of Matt Ryan, like late in his
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: career at the Falcons when they're trying to motion and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: get things he has. He yelled that time, whine. Uh yeah,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I just kept thinking in my head in that exact case.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Wine the oh god, it was. That was the play
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that we've all been waiting for because it's it's his
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it's his superpower. He's it's Alan Mahomes esque, like he
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: has that off platform arm talent is just silly like
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: guys on that play, and I didn't want to go
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: down this road, but I have to for a second.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: On that play, the deep safety, it's it splits field right,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like Tampa two. The deep safety on
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the left hand side of the field. He latches onto
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the intermediate route and not the clear the clear out
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: route by kJ Osborne's just a vertical to clear out
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the sideline on the flood concept. And he latches on
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to the to the number two receiver the intermediate route
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: because he says, there's no effing way that this guy
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: is gonna throw this ball rolling to his left forty
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: yards down the field. He can't. Nobody can make that throw.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: This kid can make that throw right, and he just.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: As long as he's healthy and upright, which this safety
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: turns around and it is like no freaking way, just
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, like that, that's that's what we've
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: all been waiting for.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: So you go back to the offensive line for a second.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I want to start there. But the big point is
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: what the offense as a whole, Alex van Pelt needs
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to use this next five month, six weeks, eight weeks,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, because if they even think about red
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: shirting Drake May at this point, I am going to
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: freaking riot on this show. I can promise you that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So they whatever it is, whatever their timeline is for
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Drake May being ready to play, five weeks, eight weeks, whatever.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: This is a information gathering expedition. This is Yes, it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: about winning football games, and you want to try to win.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to say that it's bigger than winning,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: but you need to figure out what's your core offensively,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: just your skill talent, your line, who's your best five,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: who is your best five in the skill group? How
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: are you gonna move the football? How are you gonna
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: run it? You gotta be able to run the ball
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: with this offense. So is it gonna be outside zone?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Is it gonna be more gap, is it gonna be
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: what is it gonna be How are you gonna run
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the football? How are you gonna move the ball? In general?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Who's gonna play the five guys on the offensive line?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: What do you have in Jalen Polk and Javon Baker.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's big if one of those guys, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it's trending more towards Polk at this point. If Polk
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: ends up being like a really good player, I'm not
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: ready to put a ceiling on him yet or a floor,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: but let's just call him a good player, Like you
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: hit yeah on that pick, then that's something that you
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: can find out. Still, Jacoby Present is not a total
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a total bum. They can fit find out if Jalen
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Polk can play or not a little bit with him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: He's good enough for them to be able to develop
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the rest of the offense.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Round right, So that's just a big part of it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Then I want to talk about the five line on
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. Now. Injuries always play a role in
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: these kinds of things, so I can't they can't control injuries.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: So if they if Darien Lowe and Cities aren't healthy
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and they can't play Week one, then I can't get
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: my best five on the field.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: But it goes back to your point from earlier of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: there's no secret offensive lineman get hurt. And I've been
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: saying this at the beginning. It's not just the starters
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that are a question marker. You don't know Whinny the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: backups are either they are bringing a center today, they
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: have a backup center, right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So I want to go down with what I believe
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is their best five And it's two things. And I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: know I always bring up Dante's scarnecia, but I think
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: he's the best guy that's ever done it, so.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: As you should whenever you talk about offensive.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: His word is probably better than most, if not probably
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: better than all, You'll be honest. One of the big
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: things that he always used to say, and what he's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: told me before, is that you want everybody as best
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: as you possibly can to be in their natural positions.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: You want everybody to be comfortable in their natural spots.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And then you roll with that and you try to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: build the continuity right and the line that they've been
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: working with might be out of necessity that they're working
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: with the line combination that they are right now, which
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: is from left to right, Chukes Nick Leverett today, but
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: City eventually David andrews Leyden Robinson, Mike On win you.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: But what I feel like is that you're really playing
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: with two guys at a position, because on when he's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: at a position at right tackle and Chukes is out
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of position at left tip, I think it's three.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Wasn't Lade Robinson primarily a left guard.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And he's actually right here? I look this up. So
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you're playing with two guys. Your tackles are at a position.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on both sides, and that's the worst spot to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: have at a position.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So the way I look at it, and I know
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: this might I'm not telling you that their options are great.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Their options are not great.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But again, we're trying to find the best five. It's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: not necessarily good five, but there is, by definition a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: best five.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Vederian lots And has been the best left tackle they've
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: had in camp.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It's been really the only left tackle they've had in camp.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: But I agree with you, best left tackle they've had
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: in camp. You can you want to say, oh, well,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I mean who else Chukes, Kayden Wallace.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: But those guys even I'd like to see more Kadan Wallace.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: So here's and I know he's out of position. I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: get all that, but this is I don't know. Now
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I'm backtracking, but it's I wish they'd experimented with more
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: combinations during camp instead of getting to this point where
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it becomes a fire drill a week before the season.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: So here's what I but, yes, it has been Verderian law.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just being a smart ass.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I would put Vadarian Low at left tackle.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I would too, honestly at this point, I think.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: He's your best left tackle.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: YEP.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: The one sack that he gave up in the preseason
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: against the Eagles was more a miscommunication, like poor execution
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of a chip than anything. It wasn't like he just
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: got blown by by Nolan Smith and gave up a
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: sack right like. It was more something that is, it's easily.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Correctable, and he lines up correctly.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And he lines up correctly. Vaderian Low at left tackle, yep,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: left guard. And this is maybe the one spot where
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: somebody could be at a position technically, But to me,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that's a two horse race between Cities and Leyden Robinson.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, City Show's not out of position there.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Right, but technically would be. But he practiced a lot
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: this summer at left guard.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Sure, I'm comfortable with either of those guys there.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: We know who's at center, David Andrews that center better.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this as we go through the line.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a player that this team
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: can afford to lose less than David Andrews. Yeah, it is,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: especially because I I don't think it's a coincidence that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: he doesn't play and they have trouble lining up, and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: they have trouble with the lay of games and things
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: like that. All the calls go through the center. All
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the checks go through the center, not all the calls.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: All the checks go through the center.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Right, All the line calls go through the center.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And he's just a veteran with a bunch of young guys,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and I think his presence is important. I would like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to They also don't have anyody else can snapped the ball.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big thing. I would like to be
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: able to the ball with him out there. He looks
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: to his left, and he looks to his right, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: he would say to Chukes, can you get on the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: freaking exactly right?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I would hope sener David Andrews, Yep, this part, this
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: part I feel extremely strongly about and I'll die on
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: this on this hill.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I know what this is and I've even come around
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to it. Mike on win who is a right guard,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yes he is, Mike on w who.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Is a right guard. He has when he plays right tackle,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: he can be a he can survive. He's fine at
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: right tackle. He can survive, he can dominate on the interior.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: He is a all pro caliber guard. He is a
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: borderline starting right tackle. He is a right guard. And
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: at this point, you're doing him a disservice. It's your
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: roster construction that's doing him a disservice that he has
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to play right tackle because you don't have any other
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: better right tackles to play because you they clearly don't
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: think Kayden Wallace is ready for whatever reason.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Right So, uh, just to kind of add to that,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I remember all the people that said you have to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: pay Mike play Mike on winnu a tackle because you
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: paid him as a tackle and he's an overpaid guard.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Don't care.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I never cared, But now you look at it, all right,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he's the fifth highest paid right tackle in football. But
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: where would you rank him ability wise? Somewhere middle of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the pack.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Fifteen, sixteen, seventeenth somewhere right tackle. Yeah, to me, he's
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: he's in the bottom half of the league. I'm not
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: saying he's thirty second, but he's so called twentieth. Sure,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: So you can pay the twentieth best right tackle the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: fifth most of any player at the position, or you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: can play you call him all pro, so you say
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: bottom of all pro, the fourth best right guard, yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: or the fourth best guard, sorry, second most. And we
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: also just just to I want to get to something
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: with on Wu too, with him personally, but let's also
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: just think about for a second that if you have
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: an interior of let's just call it city for the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: time being, right, because he's probably the more ready guy
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: if he's healthy over landon Robinson City. So, David Andrews
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Mike on went, who you have a piece of the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: line that should be above average to maybe even good.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the interior's fine.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Right, And so you have a decent interior of the line.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Do you know how valuable it is for quarterbacks that
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: they can step up in the pocket and have that
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: what you know what they called it shelf right? Yeah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: have this shelf clean to step up in the pocket,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: not to mention the run game advantages that it brings
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to the table too. With on when who particularly, what
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I see with him when he plays tackle is that
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: he has a short corner. So every single drop that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you make that the quarterback that the rule of thumb
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: is that the quarterback needs to drop to ten yards,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So the linemen need to push the guys behind them
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: ten yards. Right, if you get the ten yards, the
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks at eleven and he gets sacked at eleven yards
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and it's on the quarterbacks. Could you have to control
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the depth of the drop. So with Mike on Wenhu,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: he has trouble when he plays tackle with getting to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that ten yard land and the edge rusher has turned
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the corner on him a little bit faster than they would.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It's not his fall, He's just not a tackle right.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll allow for the fact that maybe if
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: he plays it for seventeen weeks he gets better, There's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: no doubt about that. But when I watch him play,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I am watching a guard play tackle, like I'm not
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: watching a tackle play tackle. Yeah, last point, move on
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: from that right tackle two horse race again, ye choose
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the cor for Cayden Wallace two actual right tackles by
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: trade that have played right tackle, and it goes back
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and when you put the whole thing together. Low soo
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Anderson on WHENU Andrews had to say Anderson and Andrews
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: on when WU a corp. Let's just say for now,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And I think that's right, Like you build up to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the rookies, you don't start with the rookies and then
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: go back to bet right, and then eventually at some
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: point you hope that Caden Wallace overtakes the cor four. Yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and maybe Laden Robinson's better than City, So allowed for that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: We go back to the point of now, next year
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you draft Will Campbell, he plays left tackle, and now
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you actually have some an offensive line.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: You have to find a new center in a year
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: or two, but like you have the pieces there, you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: have Rice together.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: So that to me is the best five. Not only
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: do I think it's just the best five players on
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: the roster at their you know that on the line,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: but it's also everybody in their natural positions, Like nobody
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: in that line is playing out a position. And yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you might be a little bit weaker at tackle still
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: just because of the talent on the roster, but that
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about that. Well, the players
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: are the players.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And what people who defend the line will say is
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you can have four strong spots in one week spot
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and cover it up, which is another scar Neetkat philosophy
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: which I generally believe in. I do think there are
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: two caveats to that. Yeah, One, I don't think that
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: fifth spot can be left tackle.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Two, wherever the spot is beyond left tackle, I do
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: think there's a baseline to cover up. So to your point,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Mike o and Win, who is an interior player, is
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be a big part of helping cover up that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: weakness wherever it is. Michael When is going to be
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a big part of it because he is a blue
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: chip player. I would argue David Andrews is great and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: he's been a great patriot. He's not quite the player
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: he once was. Mike go and Win, who's their best
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: line right and Mike go and when it was there,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: But he is their one blue chip lineman. If you
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: play him at tackle, you lose that. He is not
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a blue chip tackle.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So if you're gonna scheme this whole thing around covering
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: up for a spot wherever it is special is gonna
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: be a right tackle. You need mikeel and Winn to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a guard to help you with that. He can hold
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: his own at tackle, he can't hold his own and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: help somebody else, and you're gonna need him to do
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that wherever he's playing in order to get the best
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: version of this line. Again, maybe it won't be great,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: but to get the best version of it, you're gonna
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: need Mike and win who to help it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: It's just it's unfair to him, like they've forced him
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to play right tackle because they haven't stocked the roster
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: well enough at the tackle position over the last two
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to three years. That You're sorry, Mike, but you're you're
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the best we got, so we got to play you
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: here like it's just it's such a bummer. I want
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit more about Drake may especially
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: because we're not going to see him now for a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: little while. But before we do that, we can take
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: some of the phone calls because I know you guys
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: have been waiting on the line here. Patty is in Agawam.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: What's up? Gents.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I'll make it quick because I know you don't have
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: much time today, but yeah, I can agree more about
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Mike and Winu. I think they just got to figure
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: it out at right tackle and just let him play
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: right guard. And really quickly, I wanted to bring up
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: something you guys said last week that I've been thinking
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: about for a couple of years. And I know it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: off topic. It's not the Patriots, but it's got to
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: do with Joe Toney and not this past year Super Bowl,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: but the year before when they beat the Eagles. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: started thinking in my head, I'm like, this guy might might.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Be a Hall of Famer.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: And then I thought back to the Super Bowl where
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: the pass played the Rams and I know for a
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: fact because I saw it on NFL films like sound
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: bites where he did get one on ones with Aaron
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Donald and not only like he didn't dominate him, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: like he held his own and like the biggest game
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: on the biggest stages.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: You know of his life.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: So to me, I think he's a Hall of Famer
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: and yeah, let's let's figure it out. Let's get on
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: wine at right guard. Word along and as soon as possible.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, thanks for the call of Patty. I think
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: get d Drake May in there as soon as possible
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: is enough. I think we heard the last point.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Joe Hall of Famer.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: He's trending now.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: He blanked Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl. I think
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: he blanked him in that Super Bowl.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: One on one. Yeah, on that drive on the game
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: winning drive of the pass to Gronkowski hostage passed across
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Gronkowski is uh, Joe Toney Aaron Donald one on one
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: in past pro.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: So he had that dominated Fletcher Cox in another Super Bowl,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: one of the more underrated play coxs. I'm saying, I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: think as high as highly regarded as he is, one
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of the more underrated players of his era. Yeah. You
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: know that Niners defensive front last year he held up
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah, he's the first battle Hall of Famer
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So it's and we don't have enough time today. It
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: is not the show for this. But yeah, it's really
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: tough for interier offensive linemen to make it into the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Like it's really tough, like you have
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to be you know, John Hannah, like you have to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: be on that lone.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: But I think what helps him because there's no stats
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and people need something to latch onto super Bowl rings,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: not just super Bowl rings. But you know Joe Tooney's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: maybe not a name the common fans familiar with his
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: int your alignment. You know who are common names? Aaron Donald,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: pletcher Cox. You show him beating up on those guys
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: in Super Bowls. You put that film on. I think
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: people are gonna warm up to him as Hall of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Famer pretty quickly.
• 39:53
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• 39:55
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  Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots. All right, let's take Jeff.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, sorry, Jeff, just one second. Sam is in Connecticut.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I like to go in order, Sam, what's up?
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys here?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Mat Yeah, go ahead, Sam.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: So I had a question about something you were saying today, Evan.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: You mentioned how you were frustrated with Wolf, how he
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: didn't do enough for the offensive line this off season.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: I just I just kind of wanted to ask whether.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Any particular offensive lineman that became available that you wanted
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: us to pursue, and if not, would you rather have
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: gone for offensive linemen in the draft rather than doubling
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: down on wide receivers. Then yeah, that's all I have.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Sam. Look the way I
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: look at it, Jonah Williams was an option?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Yeap?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It does sound like Johnah Williams struggled a little bit
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: in Arizona in camp.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And again, did you line up correctly?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Fair enough? And they also they decided that Chuck Sikor
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: for for about five million dollars was better value than
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Jonah Williams at about ten or whatever that contract was.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I think it was around values. That's the point.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm totally with.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: They looked at it a little bit too. Belichick in
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I would almost say, yeah, and I know this used
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: to work out for Bill all the time, so I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: understand that. But Bill would have done the same thing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: He would have Bill had spot the value is better here, right.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say, I was a
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: huge Kingsley Sue Matia fan. Yeah, in the draft, the
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Patriots took Canden Wallace, I want to say about like
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: ten picks or so, even if that after Kingsley Sue
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Matia went in the draft, that's the second guest to me.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I like Jalen Polk as a player. I could be
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: talked into the fact that they should have been mad
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: and tackle at that pick as well. But where the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: tackle board fell, the run a tackle in the first
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: round had kind of already happened. The run of tackle
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: at the second round didn't happen yet or hadn't started yet.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It started with Kingsley, who the Chiefs drafted, of course
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: because they don't know.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It started with Patrick Paul.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Patrick Paul went first, but that was a little
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: bit earlier because like end of the second, and then
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Kingsley went a little bit after that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: It was also under the second.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: That to me would be the second guest.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Is so sixty eight is where they took Kyen Wallas.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: They should have moved up from sixty eight and taken
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: eight if they weren't going to take attack, or they
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: took Jalen Polk, which I would have been fine taking
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Patrick Paul there. I said that if they weren't going
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to do that, they should have moved up from sixty
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: eight and put it this way, and it would have
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: cost him an extra pick. Who would you rather have?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: We use Kingsley because that's your guy? Yeah, Kingsley period,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: or Caden Wallace and Javon Baker.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and those are Look, those are the tough ones
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: in the draft. Yeah right, if these are the either
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: oars or whatever you want to call it, the coin
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: flips in the draft is how I usually like to
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: call it that two years from now, Kingsley Supematia might
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: be a bust and Kevin Wallace and Javon Baker might
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: be stars for the Patriots. Right, But I would just
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: feel a whole lot more, you know better about this
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: offensive line, mainly because Kingsley is a left tackle.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: He played both sides at BYU, but he has played
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: left tackle in games in college and you know, has
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: worked out there right like Kyd and Wallace had never
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: done that. So that would be the second guess your
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: guy was Patrick Paul that that that's fine too. Somewhere
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: in the draft they needed to jump on their tackle run.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: It's specifically a guy. And here's I liked Kane Wallas
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in the draft for them, and I thought they needed
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: two tackles. And I liked Kayden Wallace. I thought he
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was gonna go in the fourth round. Yeah, but I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: thought he would be a guy like ideally Chookes the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: corps for is your starting right tackle and you're developing
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Cainen Wallas bind it, which might end up happening anyway. Yeah,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: but I wanted a true left tackle, not a guy
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that was a convert.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I wanted a true left tackle, and that was Paul,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that was Kingsley. I would have even settled for Blake Fisher,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: who played right tackle at the end of his career
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: in Notre Dame but had some left tackle experience.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Caiten Wallas, so I remember correctly played five snaps that
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: weren't it, right, he was a four year starter. In
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: those four years, he played five snaps that weren't right tackle,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and they were all at right guard.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the last one was was Coleman from TCU.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Who made a visit with him. I think, yes, so
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: he might have been a guard though. I well, he but.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: His scouting report was really similar to to Kid and Wallace,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Isn't that Like some people viewed Caden Wallace as a
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: guy that might needed to move inside. Brendon Coleman at
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: TCU two years ago when they were in the National
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Championship Game, he had an outstanding year. Yeah, last year
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: he was injured. He kind of tailed off a little bit,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: didn't have as good of a season in his draft
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: eligible year, so that hurt his stock. But he was
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a left tackle at TCU also, So it's just these
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: guys experience. Yeah, those are the guys that I would
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: just look at all right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff? Good?
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: So, first of all, I completely agree with what you
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: said on the line with Loe and then either So
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: or Robinson Andrews and one of Wallace or troops. But
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: on a slightly different note, I had my fantasy draft
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: last night. Would you guys like to very quickly hear
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: the Manhattan Project?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, are you tweeting me?
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Or no?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You called in or something said? Your fantasy team name
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: is the Manhattan Project? Yeah for that name? Sure?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely all right?
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: So Jalen it's a three wide receiver League ten team PPR.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: So Jalen Hurts, Jamier Gibbs and Kenneth Walker receiver a'mnra,
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Nico Collins, Cooper Cup Dalton and King Kid at tight end.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: I have Rashid Rice the flex and insurance on the bench.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: When he almost inevitably we can move back to that
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: Dolphins defense. Jason Sanders is a kicker and on the
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: bench DeAndre Swift, Perry McLaurin, Tyre Spears, Jake Ferguson, Jade
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: and Daniels. Had to get Jayleen Folk in there. Jalen Wright,
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: and I have Jonathan Brooks.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: On ir, nice, good squad.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: How are you going to name it the Manhattan Project?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Though not draft Joe Milton. Listen, we'll get there, all right,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: all right, fair enough, we'll get there.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Listen, if I have a quarterback, go down. Well here's
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: the thing, Alex. You have to keep Joe Milton behind
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: closed doors or he's not.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: The Manhattan That is true. That's a good point. You
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: got there.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Now, he's really behind closed doors, Jeff, because we are
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: not going to see practice anymore like we do in
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: training camps.
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: So oh yeah, absolutely we greennamed foughts for a lost albums.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, he is.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I love it. Thanks love all right, thanks for the call, Jeff.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Good luck with your fantasy league. I drafted my first
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: fantasy team last night. Also, by the way, really quickly, Jeff.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I think Terry mclaurin's going to be in your starting
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: lineup at some point because Jendon Daniels is coming. Jerry
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Daniels is here. He's got to throw the ball to somebody.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: It's gonna probably be scary, Terry. Uh So, I really
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: feel like he's going to be in your starting live
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I had my first fantasy draft last night and I've
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: decided that I'm probably no longer good at fantasy because
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: all of my like fan emotions get the best of me.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I told you earlier that I just
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't aft Rock Party. I couldn't bring myself to do that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I did draft the Bengals defense because they're playing the
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Patriots in Week one, so hopefully.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have admitted that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's where we're at.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I have That's where I haven't played fantasy in years
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: because I just don't like doing it with this job,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: because I can't sit down on Sunday and watch all
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the games. I am back in the league this year.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I am doing a punter's only league with the guys
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: at CLNS. We are drafting next week, so I'll have
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: an update on that.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: That's got you and Brian Heinzler and all over it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's who's gonna get Bryce Behingers whoever
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: gets the top pick. I don't know how we're gonna
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: do the draft ord It's probably gonna be something stupid,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: but I will take Bryce Bearinger one one.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: There we go, all right, I know I see your
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: cause there were I promise you we'll get to you
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: in a minute, but there's a couple other, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: items I wanted to get to on the show. I
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about Drake May because
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: we might not We don't know when we're going to
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: see him again in live game action, So the preseason
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: film is kind of the film at this point. For now,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: at least, I know there was a lot j t.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: O'Sullivan in the QB School. He made a lot of
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: of headlines here locally on some of his critiques of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: of Drake May in the game against the Commanders. Uh,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: just my two cents on the film I thought from
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the Commanders full disclosure, I texted you. I always text
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: you on Mondays when I'm watching the film.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Get I get the instant panic reaction.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: My my unfiltered, no fun intended, my unfiltered opinions, not
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: my Patriots dot com opinions, but my unfiltered opinions. And
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I wasn't. I didn't love what I saw against the Comman.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I was shocked to hear president of the Drake Man
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: fan club talking the way of him was talking.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The biggest thing that I would say with what
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I saw on Sunday's tape. Look, the throw, the throw
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: making that he has is special, like his arm talent
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: is special. You know, he's a he's a true shot maker.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Like this guy has got that gene in him. Uh.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: The throat of Jalen Polk on the cross route is beautiful.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I mean that is just an absolute time, you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: moving from right to left. Yeah, for a right handed
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: quarterback is probably one of the harder throws to make accurately.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: And he puts it right in stride on Jalen Polk's hands.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It was it was chef's kiss.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: So is beautiful when I look at that play, Like,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: if you're a Patriots fan and for those who are
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: maybe disappointed by the news today and you want someone
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to cheer you up or you're just looking for something
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: from this preseason to hang your hat on in terms
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: of what direction is the organization going? What direction is
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: this football team heading? That's the play you go put
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: on a loop, Yeah, because that is your first round
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: quarterback hitting your second round receiver on a play that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: is bread and butter for your new offensive coordinator.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: When they drew this whole thing up back in February,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: when they hired the staff and what do we want
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: this to look like in the end, that's it. And
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna run that every play, but
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: what you know, and obviously I'm not comparing the players,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: but in terms of the concepts within the offense, the
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: dig route from Brady to Edelman, yeah, right, or the
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the the seam route from Brady Gronkley, those very core
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: concepts that they could just go to and rely on
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and hammer the old reliables. Drake May under center play
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: action Jalen Polk intermediate crosser on the back side. Yeah,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: that if this all works out, becomes one of those
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: old reliables for them. So you look at that, it's
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the squid word mean from sponge rob right future, Like
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that's the future right there.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a great play. The off
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: platform throw to kJ Osbourne is like I said earlier,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: he is like I've been waiting six months to watch
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Drake May make that play in the Patriot Right for him,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that was great. I thought some of his empty stuff
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: was better this week. Like last week. He looked a
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: little bit of hesitant on some of the empty throws,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you know, the empty concepts. I mean that he was
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: making you know all that I thought was really really good.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of really good things. The scramble on
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: third down, seventeen yard scramble, those are the types of
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: things too. You know, not to pat myself on the back,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: but the kJ Osborne throw that didn't count just gross.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: And the scramble on third down backed up scramble by
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the way, yeah, on third down. Those are the types
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: of things. When we talk about Drake may being a playmaker,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: like that's what he can bring to elevate the offense.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: He's not going to be. And this is sort of
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: where I want to get into some of the QB
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: school stuff we've talked about in the past with Drake,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: like macro and micro like what are potential fatal flaws
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: for him in the NFL, and what are things that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: are minutia things that he needs to improve probably to
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: be great, but it's not going to be the reason
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: why he's Zach Wilson two point zero right, And some
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of the stuff that JT pointed out I wholeheartedly agree with.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: But to me, a lot of that stuff falls into
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: the micro box. The fact that he invites pressure at
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: times or causes his own pressure and with his pocket movement.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: That stuff can all be fixable and correctable. To me,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: C J. Stroud had the same problem even just last year,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and he's actually talked about, you know, working on that.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I see with it with Drake
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: May when it comes to that kind of stuff, is
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: that he just needs to quiet his feet down a
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: little bit and know when you know, let's call it
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: two steps, is is better than five. Like if he
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: feels pressure coming off his right side and the you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: the tackle is getting beat. You know, he's feeling the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: edge rush coming around instead of hitching up, you know
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: three times, like he keeps hitching right, he's just hit
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: hit hitch instead of doing that, just hitch up once,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: reset your base, make a throw right. And sometimes like
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: it's the it's the Brady thing, it's the subtle pocket movement.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: His pocket movement right now gets a little bit demonstrative
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: where it's not subtle. It's like all of a sudden,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: you know, he feels pressure and he does a nice
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: job is sensing pressure, but that pressure becomes him moving
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: like five feet set of two feet, and we just
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: got to get him to be moving two feet to
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: get into the center of the pocket.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Getting rid of We talked about the slot receivers, but
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, you can apply it to getting rid of unneeded.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Movement, yeah, wasted movement. Correct. Yeah. So that that's a
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: big thing with him that he needs to continue to
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: work on. And when I look at his playing style
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: in some of his warts, it's not a great combination
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: with the offensive line. When you have an offensive line
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: that's going to be giving up pressure and now you
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: have a quarterback that also moves into pressure and has
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: a bad tendency to move into pressure, it's you're yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: it's a perfect storm exactly. So I understand that element
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of it. But the arrow is still very much pointing upward.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: But if I had to point to one thing with
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: his footwork that still is a work in progress, because
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I think his footwork's gone on much better since North Carolina.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: But the one thing that is still work in progress
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: is managing the pocket.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And I think some of that, I would say, the
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: one area of growth I want to see from me
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: still sailing like a few too many short passes for
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: my liking. He had one in the game last week.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I think he had one of pop too, didn't he
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that he put like.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that one was interesting, Like that one Pop
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: gets like re routed by the linebacker coming over the middle,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: and I think Pop actually would have ended up where
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: he threw it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Are you sure that was like way over said.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: He jumped through it, which maybe he didn't have to.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: So I guess this is my point, like if he
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: can just settle down and hit some more of those
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: short throws like that would be because you start sailing
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: those kind of throws, they're gonna.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Get picked off that and that's a good point.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: He had.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: He had one against the EG I think was well
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Wilcox caught one, and then he had another one
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: that was incomplete. I don't remember who was too, but
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: he's still a little And this goes back to the
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: start of camp. Do you remember the first week. I
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: was like, my big critique was, I think he's adrenaline's
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: running little high. I think he's a little too hyped
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: up and the balls getting away from him. I just
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: if he can settle down on some of that shorter stuff,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: because I think what happens is on a lot of
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: those throws I'm talking about, I'm trying to remember like
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: each one of them all index but yeah, they come
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: with pressure, and I wonder if it's just everything sped
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: up and there's an adrenaline jump from I gotta get
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: rid of this ball.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Shoot, here's pressure.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Go and he ends up, you know, putting too much
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: on it, and that goes to the exaggerated movements as well.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: He seems to be a little calmer under pressure. And look,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: no quarterbacks perfect under pressure. I don't think there's one
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: quarterback that's better under pressure than worse. But if you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: can just be a little bit calmer under pressure, just
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: kind of take that half second to breathe and just
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: not overreact to it, that'll go a long way.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I know I always go back to Josh Allen with him,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: but it feels really similar to some of those other
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks that had, you know, Josh Allen, Jordan Love. I
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: haven't made in after further of you on Monday. Some
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: of the things that he does is a little Aaron Rodgers, You're.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Not the first person do that. It's been a big
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: take coming away from that game.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Early Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm not talking about MVP Aaron Rodgers.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers, rookie. Aaron Rodgers, Right, back
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: with the Packers.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Third year.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, third year Aaron Rodgers back with the Packers.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: He does things that you would tell normal court, like
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: if mac Jones was out there throwing the way that
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Drake May throws, then we would all be like, you know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: the coaches would just be up in arms, like it'd
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: be like, what, you can't do this, Like he can't
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: play this way, Like you can't throw off your back foot, right,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I don't care how open Mike Kasicki is in Germany
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: and Frankfurt, and you know, running into the end zone,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: you don't have the arm to be fading away on
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: this throw. Drake May, almost to a fault, has such
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: a gifted skill set in terms of his physical tools
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: that he can sort of get away with some of
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And so now the question is, you know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: how much do you coach it out of him? Because
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: you don't want to make him robotic.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: You don't want to make them fight himself. This is
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: something that's really important for Patriots fans to understand here.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: So we already discussed Drake May for hopefully the next
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: like fifteen years. Yeah, I don't think his mechanics are
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: going to be perfect, like you said, you would never
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: teach a quarterback to play the way he plays, But
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: there are some guys that make it work, and if
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: it works, you don't fight it. Aaron Rodgers is a
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: good comp I also go Steph Curry right, Like, you
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: would not teach somebody to shoot a basketball mechanically the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: way Steph Curry shoots it, like you would if a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: kid showed up at camp shooting like that, they'd make
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a ton of changes. But obviously it obviously works for
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry. He's the great shooter of all time, so
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: nobody's gonna touch that, but it works for him. I
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: don't think anybody else can can mimic that, So you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: it's not to say Drake may is gonna be Steph Curry.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: But like, there's just some guys where they suck mechanically,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, there's some pictures like
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: this too, some Major League baseball pitchers. Just the stuff
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: they do mechanically doesn't make sense and you would never
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: teach it. But for that one individual, it works, and
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: it works and they can compete at a high level
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: with those mechanics. And I'm of the belief when you
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: have those athletes. There might be things on the on
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the boundary you clean up here and there and say,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you know, for instance, one with Drake may that that
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you can clean up without. I think mess with him
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: too much. Is just tightening up his release and getting
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the ball out quicker. Unless of a loop you can
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: tighten that up some of the other stuff. It works.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fight it. If you get to a
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: point where he's struggling, then maybe you go in and
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: you take a closer look. But it's working for him,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna hear a lot here in New England
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: that his mechanics suck and people are gonna if he's good,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: people are gonna point to that and say, no, he's
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: actually overrated. Look at his footwork, look at this, look
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: at that. If it works, it works with Rogers, with Curry.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm blanking on the pitchers, but
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of them. If it worked, like Kenley
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Jansen has that weird hitch right, Yeah, you probably wouldn't
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: coach a kid to do that. If a kid showed
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: up doing that at a camp, saying what the hell
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: are you doing? Stop doing that? That's not how you
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: throw a baseball. But it works for him. So if
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: if it works for him, then you know, all the
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: power too. You you've kind of earned the right to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's an interesting balancing act. I guess
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: with what to fix and what not to fix, and
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: T willis is what I was trying to Oh, yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: well it worked for a little bit.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely see some of the things, you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: with his footwork that again, you wouldn't teach a kid that,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: you know, an eighth grade kid, and I was trying
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: to pick up playing quarterback for the and you wouldn't
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: teach him how to throw it, you know, with his
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: base like that. But he's so he has so much
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: talent in his arm that it just doesn't necessarily matter
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: for him as much. And that's the thing that's gonna
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the Rogers comp to me the biggest, you know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: in I almost wonder if maybe I'm seeing some young
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Rogers because of Alex van Pelt, Like, I don't dismiss that.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: It's the footwork and the system that Aaron Rodgers was
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: playing in, so I like they might be coaching him similarly.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: But Rogers was notorious and is still notorious for throwing
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: with both feet off the ground like that is not
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: something that most people do, but Aaron Rodgers does, and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: the Pop Douglas one is like that exaggerated. I'm not
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: talking about those ones. There's other ones in the game
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: where both feet come off the ground and he almost
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: like jumps into the throw and uh and you're like, well,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: you know, why is he doing that? And you look
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: at the throw and it's like it's on the guy's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: hands right right, And so there's just little things like that.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day. Philip Rivers is another one.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking more examples down. Yeah, if you're putting it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: on the guy's hands, I don't really care how you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: threw it. In all honesty, I don't if you're putting
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: on his hands, consistently throw it behind your back for
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: all I care. If you're getting the ball there, You're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: getting the ball there.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of this with him once yea,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: once he takes over as the starter, which.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm establishing my take now if the results are there,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care about his mechanics. Yeah, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: he threw for three hundred yards, But did you see
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: his feet?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Well I also saw him throw for three hundred yards
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: to win the game, so I don't really care what that was.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Matt Jones threw for three hundred against the Eagles last year.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Well, you made the different. The physical talent is let
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: me rephrase that we threw for He threw for forty
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: five hundred yards this season. Did you see his feet? Yeah,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I saw him throw for forty five hundred yard. I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: don't really care where his feet were. Yeah, it consistently
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: is a better example season.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: First case, it's a tough one because you look for
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: things on film of repeatable mechanics, and what you worry
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: about is that some of the things that Drake does
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: or not is not necessarily receptive to consistent, repeatable accuracy
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: down the field. And we talk about some of the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: sprays and some of the things that he when he
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: does have issues with the accuracy. You're like, well, if
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: he was more consistent with his base and with his footwork,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: then maybe that would clean up some of those issues.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: But I actually I hear everybody on the sprays, it
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: does look bad, Like the one to Taekwon is not close.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: That's not an NFL throw, Like NFL quarterbacks don't normally
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: miss slants by.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: And if he starts missing those throws, then you take
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: a close look at his mechanics.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but I also would just say with
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: that and then and then we can move on from this.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: That to me is all so in the category of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: micro because like we're really talking about like two throws
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: a game, right, So if he's missing a slant to
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton and maybe you know a pop pass or
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: lie you know, lay up past to Pop Douglas there
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: on the crossing route, Yeah, it's not ideal that he's
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: missing you know, these short game throws or these uh
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: you know these you know short throws. But if he
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: then follows that up with like a fifteen yard completion,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: then that's just it's fine. What we are, what I'm
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: getting at is that for all of us, myself including
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: we all need to sort of get used to a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: different style of quarterback play with him, and.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: He doesn't need to set Drew Brees's career completion record
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to be a success.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different style. Even even though Mac was
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: nowhere near Brady's stratosphere, Yeah, he was still more in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: the Brady mold in terms of way stylistically what he
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: was good at. And we are our eyes right now
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: as Patriots fans have been trained to the pocket, precision,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: mechanically sound passer, and Drake May is never going to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: be that. You know, I would go watch Mahomes, Rogers
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: love obviously Josh Allen, like those are the guys that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be mimicking. And if he gets to that level,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be Tom Brady. It's not gonna
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: be If he fails, it's not gonna be mac Jones.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: It's not because it's gonna be the same reasons that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: mac Jones failed, so that that is an adjustment for
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: all of us. Like the touchdown that he threw to
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Kevin Harris. When I saw him even live watching that,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, uh oh, because I thought I was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: gonna be a pick six, And then you remember that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: he's throwing one hundred and one miles an hour, right,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: and it's like, that's a throw that wasn't in mac
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Jones's bag. Now, I wouldn't necessarily suggest doing that often,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: like I didn't love that throw, to be honest, but
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: he has that kind of velocity in his arm. So
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: it's different. It's just different. And you tell me you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: texted me on Monday you wanted Josh Allen. You got
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Josh Alla.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: You don't get to You don't get to campaign for
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: this exciting playground quarterback and then complain about them and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: then bitch when he doesn't have the mechanics, Like, no,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: it's if that's what you wanted, then you should have
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: been a JJ McCarthy guy. But you wanted the exciting,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: high ceiling guy. This is what Like, he's not gonna
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: be perfect. You can't say, all right, well, I want
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: him to be the most electric playmaker ever and be
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: the most tightly mechanically wound quarterback. Like that's just it
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's get back to the calls. And
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: I do want to give our roster takes here in
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: a second as well. But Dave is in Maine. What's up, Dave? Hey, guys,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: how's going good?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: So I'll keep it kind of quick. I'm disappointed. Like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: a lot of people, I think, actually, Drake May is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: the one that gives us the best chance to win,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: because the only way the offense can overcome itself. I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: think is with little Razzle Dazzle at quarterback, and Drake
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: may gives you that Jacoby Brissette does not. And I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: get my question to you, is you kind of.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: Agree with that?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: And also, what are you guys scared at all that
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: Mayo can lose the locker room this way by riding
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: it out with Brissette over may because you know, the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: players must see it. We see it, so surely the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: players see it. And at what point does do you
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: think that becomes a problem. And I'll take it off
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: the air with that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, Thanks Dave, thanks for the call.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Two questions.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to the second point, it doesn't get to that point.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like until they start losing. Yeah, like right now,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: maybe they see it in practice that Drake May is
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: a better quarterback, but they might say to them they
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: can convince themselves, yeah, but Jacoby is the more pro
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: ready quarterback.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I also think Jacoby is a popular guy in that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: locker room. I know a lot of fans don't like him,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: which I think is unfair.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me, Like there's he's such a a
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: good guy, like.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like he's standing in the way of Drake
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: May and I get there annoyed by that. That's not
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: on him. And he's a really good teammate. He's a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: good leader. He's a guy that people gravitate towards. He's
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: always been that. He's at an indie with Andrew Luck. Yeah,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: like he was a very popular player in that locker room,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and obviously Andrew Luck was the starter. But I think
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: there's a level of belief in him, and that kind
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: of leads me to my first point to the first
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: question about you know you need razzle dazzle for the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: offense to work. Is Drake May gonna give you the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: most razzle dazzle? Yes, of course, I wouldn't say Jacoby
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Brissett doesn't give you that. He he can do some
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: pretty creative things with ball in his hands, maybe not
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: as regularly as Drake May, and I don't know that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be as spectacular, but he's not exactly a statue.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: He's not exactly gay manager either. Like he he can
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: make plays out of nothing occasionally if he's given the opportunity.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with the overall point that if you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: were just trying to put the offense on the field,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: that kind of gave you the best chance to win
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: right now, that I would probably say that Drake May's
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: improvisational skills is what I would call it. That the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: kJ Osborne touchdown only happens because it's Drake May, and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: maybe those plays it is it's easier on the receivers.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: You know, there's the inn in the ang with the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: offensive line, but it can be easier on the offensive line.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: But in particular, if you don't have great receivers, when
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: you have a guy that can do those kinds of things,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: it's no matter what. Even if your receivers aren't great,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: it's really hard to cover in the NFL for like
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: five six seconds, right, So if the quarterback's moving around,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: then it just gives the receivers time to uncover and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: get open down the field. So I agree with all
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: of that, but I don't think that that's necessarily where
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: they're at in terms of Drake May playing. They're more
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: worried about in structure, like how is he handling the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: instructure system, running the plays that are being called, and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: also obviously you know pre snap and all that kind
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: of stuff too. That's more important in terms of checking
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: boxes to get him on the field than just saying well,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: he's just gonna run around and make plays like because
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: that's not as much as that's an element. Uh you know,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: you watch Patrick Mahomes play, I would say seventy five
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: to eighty percent of Patrick Mahomes's plays are in structure.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: It's just the out of structure stuff for the highlights, right,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: those are the things that make it onto Sports Center.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So that's why everybody pays attention to that. But for
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: the most part him Alan like those guys play in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: structure a lot more than you think, and so that's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: where they're trying to get with. Get to with Drake
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: may All right, let's uh, Eldred is in North Carolina.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Le's up? Aldred?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Hey good?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: How are you all right?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Proud of you? Man? Out of your Qluorida back and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: I gotta see it. I'm still at Missouri show. Why
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, what you brought up is
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: what we saw. But I got me. He does look better.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: He does look better what he did in North Carolina,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: but still got jump things where it is the short
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: that's worried. You can throw deep, but it's the short thing.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: But getting off of that and make sureall question it, okay,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: I got laughed at on PU for bringing this up,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna bring it up again. Okay, you got
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback, right, So my question is why not.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: I know you've got draft capital and you got money. Okay,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: it's a tackle. Like I said, if somebody told me,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: well they already paid him the extension, yes, but they
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: got another guy in this place that's gonna take his place.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: So you've been hurt for a couple of games. You
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: don't miss like three or four games for the last
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: three years. But he's breaking number two behind Trent Williams.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: That's about Durris off for Minnesota. Why not give up
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: a first and a player to go get that guy?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: And then my other question is Brown from from Cleveland
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: on the right hand side tackle. Somebody jumped over him.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: They're both young, they're both I've got and maybe you
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: get get out of Brown. So Deres, you ain't gotta
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: worry about because he's the NFL's tackle left. Why not?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: And I take you off the air, Thank you, thanks, Eldred.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I mean off the top. We've got
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Christian Darris is an excellent player.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: He's not getting traded.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's getting traded those types of players.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, Trent Williams got traded. I guess that's the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: exception to the rule.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Trent Williams aggressively shot his way out of Washington. Yeah, great,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Like that wasn't even your typical player talks his way
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: out Like that makes what Brandon Ayuku is doing right
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: now look like child's playing. Yeah, and I don't fault
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: him because that organization is a mess, Like don't. I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: don't want this. I don't want to come off as
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: me picking on Trent Williams, but yeah, if it tackle
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: shoots his way out of his team, the Patriots absolutely
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: make the call. Short of that, Darris How is not
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: getting traded.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Deris is a great player. I think he's one
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: of the best tackles in the league. I love Derris
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: How in the draft too. I mean you could just
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: see it. Remember, you know, there's when you watch guys
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: like that in college and they just like look like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: their varsity against JV against power five competition, Like this
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: guy's gonna be really really good. When you turn on
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: the film with Drris, you you knew right away, Oh
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: that's that's the guy. I'm supposed to be watching, like
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: you didn't even need to look for a number. He's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: he's a really good player. I highly doubt that Minnesota
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: with I know he's hurt, but JJ Justin Jefferson under contract,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: like they're they're thinking of him being JJ McCarthy's blindside
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: protector for the next five years, right like that that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I would have to think that that's where they're at.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: But if he's available, then I'm obviously all for it.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily see it.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Who is the real quick I just want to clear
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: it up because I phrased that wrong. I forgot the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: exact situation. Trent Williams didn't exactly shoot his way out
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: of Washington. He had cancer. The team doctors noticed it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: and downplayed it. Oh and then it turned out to
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: be serious. And he was basically so mad at the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: organization rightfully that he said he didn't want to play
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: there anymore. So that's that situation is not happening every day.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: So who was he talking about the brown I don't know.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: On the Browns.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Browns have so I think Conklin. So
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: they have Conklin and they have Dewan Jones.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I think Conklin got passed on the depth chart. I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: think he lost a starting job, maybe.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: To Dewan Jones because that's who they're they're.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was talking about Dwan Jones. I Lovedwan Jones.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe Conklin because Dewan Jones they just drafted
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: last year and maybe he's coming and I think Conklin
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: was on pup for a little while or too.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I I would take Conkland, but I don't know that
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: i'd give up. I like, if you're gonna give up
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: a third round pick for Jack Conklin, right, which I
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: don't know, am I offen that assessment.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Of probably not? Because he's a starting tackle.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Right, So you just Conkland's the right tack He's a
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: right tackle. He's not playing on the weft side.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just used a third round pick on the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: right tackling Kayden Wallace. Yeah, at this point, I'd rather
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: see what he has and and if not, you just
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: blew two top one hundred picks and now there's no
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: path for Kayden wall And he burned that pick. You know,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I know people will be like, well, you're complaining they
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: don't have enough offensive line talent. Now you don't want
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: him to trade for somebody. Well, I do want them
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: to see what they have and the guys they did draft,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: because what happens if Conklin like ages out, you never
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: developed Wallace. Now you blew two third round picks for nothing.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: So I would at least see what you have in
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Kan Wallace at this point. If if Jack Hankin was a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: left tackle, I may feel differently. But they don't need
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: to trade a third round pick for left tackle right now,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: if for a right tackle right now, they just don't
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: need to do that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: That's fair. Let's take this last call and then we'll
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: give our roster reaction to wrap it up. Mark is
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: in Connecticut.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: What's up, Mark, Devin Alex, how you guys doing today?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Being great? Thanks Kahn, Thank you.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 8: Donovan Smith the tackle who used to play for Kansas City.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: What is the deal with this guy? He's been on
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: the open market all over the offseason. I would have
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: thought that we would have picked him up because I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: believe he's a left tackle. Any idea on what's going
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: on with this guy?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just done. He's like and a lot of
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: people ask gout. David Boctiari, Charles Leno. Who's the other
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: one who was with the Cardinals.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: With the Cardinals, there's another tackle.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: J Humphries, and those guys had serious, serious injuries last year.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Baciari last like three years. So Donovan Smith's the one
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: guy who's healthy, and so you'd think maybe he's the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: guy he was really bad last year. Yeah, I got
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: call it for like a million penalty if he takes
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: another step, if the step back he took from twenty
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: two to twenty three, if he takes the same size
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: step into twenty four. I actually don't think he's better
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: than what the Patriots have. Yeah, they may see that too. Thanks,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Sorry to get you off the line so quick, but
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: we're up against a little bit. Yeah, with Donovan Smith,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: it did sound like just talking to you know, some
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: of the Chiefs reporters that I know that he got
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: better towards the end of the season last year and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: it was like okay in the playoffs. Obviously won the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, so he couldn't have been nap, but it
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: was rough there for a while with him, especially with
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: the penalties.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be a post to them signing him.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a guaranteed answer.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: I just feel like if he was, if he was
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: still good, Uh, you don't just leave left tackles like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: that available, you know, on the open market. Like if
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: teams thought that he could still play, then I'm sure
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: that he'd be he'd be on a roster. YEA, all right,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: I really uh, you know, just wanted to wrap it up.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Fifty three man roster. This probably would have been what
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: we led the show with until we got the quarterback news.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: But frankly, it wasn't all that interesting. I'm just gonna
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: be honest, and uh, some of that has to do
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: with the state of the roster, Like it just got
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: to call a spade a spade. There wasn't a whole
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: lot of NFL talent that they were like, oh man,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: we got like all these really good players. We got
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: to pick from all these guys. So I wasn't a
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: ton of surprises. I the one. I wouldn't even call
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: him a surprise. I just think if you had to say,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: you know, Evan, what was your big surprise cut, I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: would probably say Kevin Harris. But he ended up back
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: on the on the practice squad. He clears waivers and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: They probably were okay with rolling the dice there, thinking
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: we'll get one of Terrell Jennings or Kevin Harris back
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: on the practice squad as kind of like a between
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: the tackles, you know, power back and that capacity, so
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: they get him back. I wasn't really too shot by
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: anything else.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: No, Josh Bloodsoe would be the other one. I thought
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: he had a really good close to the summer, good
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: final couple preseason games, and more surprised he's not back
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad. He may look at it and say, hey,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: look I played well, Yeah, I'm gonna hold out. I'm
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: gonna wait till I get a roster shot. And he
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: has had a right to do that obviously. But besides that,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't you know, some other names people
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: know obviously, but I wasn't super surprised by Sean Wade,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Jalen Rager. They cut he's back, and I think he'll
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: be back on the active roster at some point. How
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: many of these waiver claim guys so none of the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: waiver claimed guys. Eric Johnson is a fine depth player. Yeah,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Demontree Hunter I like as like a project tackle, but
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I put him in the same boat as like Tyrone
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Wheatley where he's starting games this year. I'm worried. Maybe
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: you see what he is down the road. But how
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: many of those four waiver guys you think are still
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: on the team like week ten?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: It's a good question. I agree with you with Uh,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Trey Hunter, by the way, you don't have to Is
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: that what he goes back? Yeah? Is it Hunter?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Because they have two guys name Hunter. The linebacker's name
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: is Hunter.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I thought that call.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Linebacker's name is Curtis Curtis Hunter, Curtis Jacobs, Curtis Jacobs.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh no, there's two Jacobs. It's Demontray Jacobs. That's what
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: it is. He throw Trey Jacobs. I've struggled with this
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: for two days now.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: We need to learn these things.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey Jacobs is the tackle, the other tackle they
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: signed as a guard. Yeah, he's not really Zach Thomas,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: which is easy to Zak Thomas, which is easy. Not
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: but Zach Thomas is not the linebacker, which also confused
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: me because Zak Thomas line up.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Why do I feel like your names are wrong? Right now?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Can you pull?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Can you pull me?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I just it doesn't sound right? To me. But the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Tyrone Wheatley comp I think is really good for right, Like,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's where I'm at with him.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Really like a big dude like six six three fifteen
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: three twenty like looks looks the part coming off the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: bus athletic can get out into some space, Like there's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: some film of him from the preseason on in space,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: you know, on toss plays, you know, pin polls, things
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: like that. That's pretty impressive with his movement skill, but
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: he's raw and is gonna have to develop.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: All right, Trade Jacobs, Zach Thomas, Curtis Jacobs, and Eric Johnson. Really,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know where I got Hunter from.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, you're all over there.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I think there is another guy named Demontree Hunter who's
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: in the draft recently. Yeah, that's probably what I'm thinking of, But.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: I I can't stress it enough with Waiver claims. I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: know everybody's jonesing for the next like Jem to find
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: on Waivers. It hardly ever happens that these guys turn
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: out to be anything. So I've I've learned my lesson
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: in that respect a little bit over the years. You know,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I used to you find out about new guys. I'd
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: write big film reviews on them and I dive into
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: their tape for hours and and then they so you
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: did your job and they no, No, This was like, no,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: that's your job.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: No, that's your job. No, it's your job.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: And then in three weeks they'd be off the team. Yeah,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: And so it's just it is what it is with waivers.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: But the one that kind of confused me and UH
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: with the waiver claim because like you have four you
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: claim four guys, you have to put them on the roster, right,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: So they had to create these spots and now and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: all is well, that ends well in hindsight, like they're
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: probably going to get everybody back on the practice squad
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: that they cut.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: They just have to wait on Bold. Yeah, three of
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the guys are back Bold, nice clear waivers, which we'll
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: know in ten minutes.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's probably gonna end up being you know,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: water under the bridge, Yeah, in ten minutes. But the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: main thing I look at is I really thought that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: that Tristan Hill had a nice camp. Yeah, and I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: thought that he's an NFL caliber depth defensive lineman, Like,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: is Eric Johnson that much better than Tristan Hill?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: I mean he's got more experience recently, that would be
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the one thing. Yeah, it's a young group up front
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: for them, and he's played twenty eight games the last
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: two years. But outside of that, he's also much smaller. Yeah,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: he's like six four two ninety Yeah.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely more of a penetrating Yeah.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they play a little bit on the
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: edge too, kind of like they used to use not
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: the edge of the end, Yeah, like they used to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: use Lawrence guy. Yeah, but not a bad player. But
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, like I don't know, Tristan Hill made
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of progress, and they have both of them,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: like you said in no harm, no foul, and it's
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: not a bad spots have depth. Guys get hurt and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: maybe they both end up on the active roster for
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: at some point, but I don't.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: They like needed Eric Johnson like they could have. I
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else claimed Derek Johnson. Do you
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: just risk him getting through and signed him on the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: practice Well that's the thing is like.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Now they get both, So that's that's the that's the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: reason why you do it, because now you have both
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: guys and then just you know, with Jeden Rager, I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: I keep saying this take because I want to. I
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: know it's gonna come regardless of how many times I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: say it. But guys like Jayvon Baker and Kishan Booty,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: it's on my radar that they might be healthy scratches
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: week one against the Bengals. Yeah, and Jalen Rager goes
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: to the practice squad. He's a vested veteran, so he
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't go through waivers. You tell him, this is just
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: roster mechanics, right, roster minusha, We're gonna send you to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: the practice squad. We're still gonna pay you your freight
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna be on the game day roster for
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: week one. My guess is is that Jalen Rager gets
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: elevated to the game day roster on Week one. He's
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: active on game day to return kicks and play his
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: role on special teams and then be the backup X
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: receiver to Taekwon Thorn. And a guy like Kaishan Boody
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: or Javon Baker is probably a healthy scratch. Maybe both
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: are healthy.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Se My guess would be Rager week one, Week two,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and week three, and then they revisit it when they
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: run out of elevations week four.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Right, So this is that that angle of the ross
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: is a little belichick in by the way that.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: They d every team kind of manipulates those those practice
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: squad elevations. Now, I don't think that's just Bill.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I can see that with Jalen Rager.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Who's your other elevation?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: It's a good question, Mitchell. It could be Willcox if
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Be's healthy. I also think it could be one of
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: the running backs, maybe Kevin Harris. You know, I don't
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: know where they view it right now with Jamichael Hasty
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: in terms of like if they really fail, Like I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: feel like Jamichael Hasty is a player, Like I think
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: that it's not just like a situation where you know
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: they're gonna play him in the kicking game, Like I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: actually think he can contribute a little bit.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I do wonder if they have him return some kicks
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: and maybe that buys him some time on Rager.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that could be as well. Uh So
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: that that's the roster so far, you know. I think
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing though, when you looked at this fifty
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: three man roster for the Patriots, I liked what they
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: did at receiver in corner because that was the two
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: spots where it felt like they had some surplus of
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: NFL talent. Yeah, and rather than just worry about like
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: positional thresholds and like, yo, you're only supposed to carry
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: five receivers in five corners like traditionally or whatever, they
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: kept the extra bodies at those two spots. They seven
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: and seven at both spots. I was a little bit
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: surprised that they went dial over Wade.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I think they wanted the whole rookie class to make
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: the team. I don't think that happened by accident.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: I wonder too, if it's just a little bit of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: like upside versus known commodity like Sean Wade is probably
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: is what he is at this point, is going into
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: year four. He's a fine depth corner.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I also think, and I mean, he got cut the ice,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: so we'll see if he comes back. I think Isaiah
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Bolden kind of pushed Sean Wade off the roster with
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: his ability to play in the slot.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, del pettis good story. Undrafted free agent makes
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: the team. So that was my biggest takeaways from the rosters.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Only one more was it how scared should Patrick Mahomes
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: be in Kansas City? I Zappi Fever knows no bounds.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I'm a little confused by that decision. I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you know who their backup is, No, Carson Wentz.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Their quarterback room right now is just Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Bailey's happy. What a room, A lot of stories in
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: that room.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: He's very different from those two guys. Like even Carson
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Wentz has a little bit of that like mobility, athleticism, size,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: like you know, like that's that's not Bailey, Zappy I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. I was a little surprised about that because
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I thought he would go someplace where he at least
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: had a semi shot to compete, like he obviously is
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: zero points zero percent chance.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Of Zappy Fever knows no bounds.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a little surprised by that.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: You just know, you just know it's not me rooting
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: for injury, but you just know Mahomes is gonna get
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: hurt at some point. Zapi's gonna like win a big
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: game for the Chiefs and it's gonna be ridiculous. You're
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: not in the media.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Like well, because they I mean, they have a much
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: better roster than the Patriots.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Oh no, they're not gonna win because of Zappy, but.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could go into a game and like Andy
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Reid could could put together the Patriots one game of Bareley's.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Remember when like thirty eight year old Chad Henny won
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: them a playoff game? Do you remember that? Like something
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember? The last thing I wanted to ask
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: you about. Just we knew this was happening, kind of
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: like Jacoby starting at quarterback, but Joey Sly winning the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: kicking competition. Just your thoughts.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: He earned it, Yeah, he deserved it. Yeah, map for him.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I do think they'll they they will, and they should
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: bring a kicker on the practice squad just in case. Yeah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised it's not Chad Royland. I feel
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: like it was gonna be. We would have heard by
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: now because they rolland closed the gap there late and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: completely close it. But he narrowed it. But the one
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: thing with Joey Sli is a big leg I think
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: they took those last two kicks on Sunday night to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: really get a gauge of where he was at. And
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: they know points are going to be at a premium
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, fourth and ten from the forty, can
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: we kick this thing right? Right? So he gives them
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: a little like obviously I like Nick Folk, but Nick
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: folkshole thing was forty and n he's automatic. Anything beyond that,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: you're probably planning on going for it anyway. Yeah, you know,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's close, you're just not gonna ask
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: him to step out that much. Stephen Gostowski was honestly
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, especially late in his career.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Bill was always I just just make the gimmis. I'm
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: not gonna ask you to make too many of the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: hard ones, but I need you to make the gimmis.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Joey sl is a little more. We have more field
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: goal range than the average team, and you know, are
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: they going to take advantage of that? If you have
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: a kicker like Joey Sly I would hope they look
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: to take advantage of that, not that I want them
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: to be super conservative. And you know, fourth and one
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: from like the thirty five, maybe go for it, right,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: But for a team where points are at the premium,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: expanding that field goal range, it's fourth and ten from
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: the thirty five, that maybe now is a little more
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: of a realistic field goal kick than it was before.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: So I know you hate that concept. No, no, I
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: hear you first thing on Sly. You know you kind
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: of just said it. But I was looked at your numbers.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: I put your numbers in my I appreciate it. Yeah,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: my right up.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: By the way, the numbers are big this Yeah, people
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: love the numbers that might have. I think they were
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: bigger in the hanngtimes.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: The fifty plus was not close in terms of makes right, So.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't did that it was three of I.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Think it was three for eight for Ryland and like
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: seven for eight for Joey's.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Now Rland didn't have as many.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: I thought that's what it was. Maybe's three for seven.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: It was not close, that's the point. Yeah, right, it
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: went really forty.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: So Ryland also struggled in the in the forty range too.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that was the big thing with the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: kicking cop.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Dish three of seven verse eight of nine, and then
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: it was oh, forty to forty nine. It was only
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: one different sixteen to twenty two for Ryland, seventeen to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: twenty two for Sly.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Now let me ask you this because then we have
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: to wrap up the show. How how much we in
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: the preseason we didn't get to see what Gerrodmeo's fourth
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: down decision making is going to look like, Yeah, we're
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: gonna argue on the show about this this year. I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: can tell because I if he's like Dan Campbell and
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: he's just go for it, go for it, go for it,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: it's gonna drive you.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Up a wall.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: And I can't wait for it because we don't know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't know yet.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: You want to get mad at him for something he
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: hasn't thought.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: I just want to know if you're like, if he's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: like an aggressive and he doesn't have to be brit stalely,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: but like, if he's.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Not so much about the decisions as much as it
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: is the philosophy behind the decisions. If he's going for
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: it because his gut tells him to go for it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: as a former NFL player, great, I love that. If
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: he's going for it because the dato says, then I'm out.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: I hope he goes for it, like I hope they're
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: like I'll go from because with Bill, they were one
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: of the least aggressive knocking the microphone, they're one of
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: the least aggressive fourth down guys decision makers in the league.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: I actually I hope that they're the most. I hope
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: they are. Brandon Staley, just to piss you off.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be pretty aggressive because defensive coach
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  Speaker 1: is going to trust the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably for.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think they're I think they're gonna be pretty aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: I do, But I don't think it's gonna because of
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  Speaker 1: the math. I think it's gonna be just the form
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  Speaker 1: of player. Coaches are generally more aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: All right, there's a lot of emails, and normally for
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  Speaker 2: our full two hour show, yeah, I would I have
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  Speaker 2: brought up some of the concerns about route spacing that
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  Speaker 2: we got in these emails. I just will say this
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  Speaker 2: really quickly about it, because we got like three emails
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: They people do they we our audience knows us.
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  Speaker 2: It's on my radar. Right, I'm not ready to like
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  Speaker 2: panic about it yet. Like this isn't two years ago
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  Speaker 2: where it's a regular season games and guys are literally
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  Speaker 2: running into each other.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this one question about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: obviously they're not running the full playbook in the preseason. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how much of it do you just chalk up to it.
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  Speaker 1: It's preseason. They're just running scratch stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Not maybe a little bit, but like the biggest issue
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  Speaker 2: that I see is that like they're running routes into
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  Speaker 2: each other over the ball. Like, I don't know any
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  Speaker 2: playbook in the NFL that has mirror dig routes running
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  Speaker 2: directly into each other over the ball.
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  Speaker 1: There is a play like that in CFB twenty five
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  Speaker 1: that actually works sooner for well.
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  Speaker 2: I it doesn't exist, it does.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's one of my like go to that's one
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  Speaker 1: of my like go to third and long plays.
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  Speaker 2: If they're crossing a crossing pattern, yeah, or it's or
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  Speaker 2: it's mesh and it's at the it's at the shallow
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  Speaker 2: level right right exactly then okay, But angled dig routes
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  Speaker 2: at each other over the middle of the field. Never
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  Speaker 2: seen it. That's not an NFL play Like that should
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  Speaker 2: not be on the film, So it's on my radar.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: There was one with with Jalen Polk and Jean Bell.
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  Speaker 2: Drake may forced it over the middle of the field
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  Speaker 2: like a late throw over the middle of the field.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Not one of his better decisions in the game. And
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Jaean Bell's the first three and the the buzz defender,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: the robber. He goes with Jaheim Bell, and so what's
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  Speaker 2: Drake May does the right thing and he throws the
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: second one in right because he takes the first one
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: in like Jahem Bell's got to get out of dodge,
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  Speaker 2: like you got to clear that out. You gotta clear
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  Speaker 2: the picture out for the quarterback. So there are some routes,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: some things that are on my radar. I know that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: some people will. I guess I haven't gotten a chance
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  Speaker 2: to watch Kurt Warners yet. You know JT. O. Sullivan
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  Speaker 2: and Kurt Warner day breakdowns. I haven't watched Kurt Warners yet,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: but I know that was a lot of the conversation
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  Speaker 2: on Kurt Warners. It's on my radar. I'm not ready
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  Speaker 2: to hit the panic button yet because it's the preseason.
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  Speaker 2: If it's happening in September, then it will be something
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  Speaker 2: we will talk about. Trust me, if I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: address that, because there's a lot of emails about it.
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